How DEAD SPACE Solves the Fermi Paradox

In a universe with more than a hundred billion billion planets, why have we only found life on one? DEAD SPACE offers a terrifying reason why: gigantic “Brethren Moons” made of meat with an unrelenting hunger for biomass.
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[@nivenfres]

"Two possibilities exist: Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying." - Arthur C. Clarke

[@NomadUniverse]

Yeahhhhh if you could all leave that comment on 69 likes, that'd be nice.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

The third, most likely possibility is rather sad: we will literally never know. It's impossible to. Edit: Please reply to this comment as much as you can, I crave the attention and the human interaction god i am so desperate thanks (⁠✿⁠^⁠‿⁠^⁠)

[@holyycannoli]

@@cawareyoudoin7379Not impossible, just extremely difficult to prove either side correct as of now.

[@TAKIZAWAYAMASHITA]

dark forest deterrence is the only truth

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

@@holyycannoli How do you prove an absence of something? And how do you find something so specific to a time and place when the laws of physics limit your travel time so tremendously? The only evidence in this case we can get right now is observations, and comparatively, they were started a second ago, when any signals may have been sent anytime from anywhere.

[@urfaes6878]

I've thought along a similar, though not Dead Space-y, line : If the Universe is about 14 billion years old, and the rise of humanity was off by just 1%, we would be 140,000,000 years late to the party. Seeing as we have not yet discovered a 140,000,000 year old (and living) civilization, it's completely plausible that a thriving active Universe has already come and gone.

[@LopezBOT90]

Totally agree and totally feel weird about this thought now. Just imagining how many could have come and gone is insane.

[@lopi4591]

This is a scary thought honestly. Imagine a game based around this. Just exploring the remains of ancient alien civilizations

[@ericvulgate]

Or possibly we are way early to the party. Somebody has to be.

[@kitsubrown]

Like person above there also the theory that we are way too early and that if humanity die out there a possibility that there won't be intelligent life for a couple more millions of years

[@LendriMujina]

It's also plausible that we're the first instead of the last. It's theorized that the universe won't reach "peak habitability" until the Degenerate Era; it's nothing short of miraculous that Earth has stayed safe from cosmic disaster as much as it has, long enough not only for intelligent life to form but _also_ long enough for it to not have been wiped out several times, so we may be just a fluke. The theory goes that stable intelligent life will be much more likely after cosmic disasters as a whole are no more.

[@EB-fc2mp]

My favourite solution to the fermi paradox is just that space is big, and no one happens to be nearby. You could hardly call earth empty, but if you were stranded on an island in the middle of the pacific it may as well be.

[@VladLongPlus]

Yea, if look at the math posted in this video. it comes out to basically "1 in 1000 galaxies will have life on a single planet". That said... the fermi paradox is why can't we see anyone. Yes most are really really far away. But unless they die out (great filter) they should eventually be recycling entire galaxies at a rate we would notice from earth. even if they are 1000 galaxies over that away

[@carpenoctem3257]

Very valid point

[@bobertastic6541]

I assumed its cause stuff is so far away, the planets that do have life on them we see as billions of years earlier than they actually are right now, before they had life. or something idk

[@scratchy996]

Truth is, too much "intelligence" is a fluke, it's not natural and healthy, it's like a cancer. Just like cancer , after a species becomes too intelligent, it becomes parasitic and destroys the host, before it can colonize the galaxy. It's the Universe's way of preventing the parasites to spread. There probably are many planets with no "intelligent" life forms, or "primitive" civilizations that life in harmony with nature.

[@Jauphrey]

@@bobertastic6541 That's also a great point. The age of the universe itself would restrict advancement such that if there was another civilization even in the Andromeda Galaxy, there would be so few signs to indicate advanced life at this point in time. It seems reasonable that the points you all have presented combined with advancement limitations would just not provide much in the way of intergalactic signatures. At least insofar as our ability to detect signatures of life. Fun to speculate. :)

[@theguywhoasked4160]

When people question where the aliens are, I always think of the fact that no matter how great our technology will become, if aliens decide to look at us they will see at some point into the past, varying on when how far away they are even as far back as the dinosaurs. So it always made sense to me that somewhere there is quite possible a planet just like ours, with people at our own stage of life and technology, but when we finally are able to see eachother we will never know that the other is looking at our past

[@kristins8438]

finally somebody gets it

[@MrCmon113]

??? Yes you do know as you just pointed out. And two civilizations arising exactly at the same time is even less likely than one arising alone and late.

[@terranoa]

ulzeragn time whait no i forgot his name XD

[@sergmanprime]

This is true under the pretense that they share the same senses and technology as us. As Arthur C. Clarke said: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Who knows how far some civilizations out there have come in terms of progress. Nobody knows.

[@AtlasRisen]

Basically watching the first season of a show that's been going on for decades, and you can't skip ahead to see what's happening now

[@kyleespinoza7201]

I adored the way Dead Space ended and how it tied to the Fermi Paradox. It's so Lovecraftian and bleak with undead god-like hyperpredators consuming the life of the universe and making more of themselves. It fits so perfectly for the setting.

[@chief_mourner]

Yeah ds3 wasnt great in excecution but the dlc ending was very much following the themes of the other games. Totally hopeless and terrifying. Loved it.

[@ThePetrifiedkit]

It’s what honestly makes ds3 my second favorite cause it is the most lovecraftian of the 3

[@EastlakeRasta7]

I personally didn't like it because I preferred The Mystery of the marker and the Necromorphs, plus Dead Space 3 wasn't as scary as one or two 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@trashaimgamer7822]

@@chief_mourner I hated it... made me feel like everything I did was for nothing...

[@geraldyeager7652]

@@trashaimgamer7822 That's the point of the dlc and Lovecraftian themed games in general

[@bruhb7611]

One interesting part to note of brethren moons is that they’re not ONLY made out of dead biomass. Once the creature is completed after a convergence event, it will start breaking apart the crust of the planet that birthed it. Creating a shell of rock to protect the vulnerable flesh and markers in the core from collisions while traveling in space.

[@ardour1587]

You need to define "dead" than :) we are dying for a number of thousands years on that planet but somehow we are not stepping on dead goo :D what is today "dead" is alive tommorow just in diffetent form.

[@jamesstreetart]

@@ardour1587 The biomass used by the Markers probably falls into the "freshly murdered (non)living organisms" category given that the cultivation of such matter is the entire point of the necromorph "life" cycle

[@wallaceluna6241]

@@jamesstreetart Well it’d be technically dead till the marker did it’s voodoo magic. Cuz now that cell activity is a thing again it’s a very much “alive” organism just running on different rules than tradition.

[@Andionesiathekid]

So the weakness of them is the hole where the tentacles come out

[@Andionesiathekid]

Or around the mouth

[@testedhawk]

Just to add onto the video: Humans in Dead Space have gotten to the point of bio-generation. This is seen in the Ishimura where they have dedicated grow labs for limbs, parts, and clones if needed (this is where the Lurkers came from). I imagine this lab explains how there's essentially an infinite number of Necromorphs roaming the ship, since the Marker can just make a lot more of them from the labs if they ever start to run dry, but this can also add onto how the moons get so incredibly large. To also add on, it's theorized that the Moons seem to sort-of fire Markers off into random directions for it to land on a potentially life-giving planet a huge boost in the evolution process. This means that if a planet just had bacteria or even had a small fraction percentage of having life, the Marker influences the process and speeds it up dramatically. Not only that, but it seems this life shares a lot of common knowledge between each other. The alien race in DS3 and the human race have a lot of similar features in how they build structures, develop technology, and form societies - it's all to find, obsess, and create another marker for a Convergence Event. So not only does Dead Space solve the Fermi Paradox, it also solves the meaning of life. We were made to be food for the Brethren Moons.

[@Viper-ft3tk]

"Made" but not "destined."

[@testedhawk]

Yup, we can fight back, DS3 confirms that. But it takes a TON of effort, and the only species to hold them back had to sacrifice themselves

[@Viper-ft3tk]

@@testedhawk Yeah. Too bad Dead Space 3 was the bookend and who knows what the Remake will do to it.

[@testedhawk]

@@Viper-ft3tk I have faith the remake might do it justice, probably even improve the gameplay to make it more terrifying

[@Viper-ft3tk]

@@testedhawk Maybe. I haven't had any interest in the remake because I basically stopped buying any EA games a good year ago

[@godzuky2743]

So here's my problem with the fermi paradox, it doesnt account for one simple basic detail we are currently ignoring when looking for life, distance. The farthest exoplanet that is still earth-like that we have observed is almost 3000 light years away, 3000 years ago we were stacking rocks. by the time we can even attempt to get over there, assuming we get light speed travel by some mirracle, their civilization is probably gone, and by the time we get back to earth so is our own

[@GalXZ42081]

Finally. Somebody gets it!

[@user-mc6dg6qe8l]

That's because space is expanding and stretching, as light travels in the universe it becomes harder and harder to move because more and more distance needs to be covered. When the universe began there was a point in time you could walk from one edge of the universe to the other in a single step (it was probably extremely hot and would vaporize every atom in your body) this process is probably reversible (as evidenced by gravity.) As the fabric of the universe is pulled and stretched further and further out, objects with mass and matter compensate for that pull by dragging the fabric of reality down. Think of it like this you have a elastic sheet, while stretching it out from end to the other someone drops a bowling ball in the middle of it. It would be much harder to pull and in fact would even shrink from the force applied to the sheet.

[@GalXZ42081]

@@user-mc6dg6qe8l 👏👏👏👏👏

[@michaelbentley4334]

If I remember right, the dead space novels explained the issue of us not having enough bodies to make a brother moon like you see in the games. The first marker was found on earth, and it basically influenced us into becoming more advanced. With us being more advanced. We became an intergalactic race, and our population rocketed up. Which is what the creatures who made the markers wanted in order to make another brother moon.

[@ardour1587]

There is so much contradictional bs in this wich just makes me sure that thkse stupid moons is a pretty dumb idea they came up with only in ds3.

[@treborkroy5280]

@@ardour1587 okay, give some examples of these contradictions?

[@kubli365]

What do the population on other planets have to do with making a moon from Earth?

[@treborkroy5280]

@@kubli365 they have the same fate* as earth, it isn't like earth was a specific target, just you can make more moons with a species that spreads to other planets and bringing markers with them so when convergence comes there's more.

[@sprinkleddonuts6094]

@@ardour1587 i get it… i have seen you comment on other comments now 4 times. Either you just don’t like Dead Space because it kicked your A$$ Or you don’t comprehend the actual really good cosmic horror story.

[@jonathanluna7955]

Kyle, respect for including the hand physics in the opening segment. I was waiting for it, and you came through.

[@epilepticwizard4800]

I had lost hope when the hand started floating behind the ship and then it happened. Thank you daddy

[@genericscottishchannel1603]

overdone physics

[@bobsterclause342]

coME ON NUMBER ONE PUT PARAENTHESES AROUND THAT 3/4 OR IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERNT. MY GOSH. WHY NUMBER TWO DO YOU HAV ENO CONCEPT OF EMTY SPACE? A5t what point in the game is there not a giant casm of negative space? YEah, you go in and there is this big void of absolutely gigantuan porportions. No man, you have calculate maximum sruface area for the volume. how much surface area can you get? well it's more than maximum, or you get a thinf film biobubble.

[@rom26ik]

@@bobsterclause342 schizo posting

[@LinasMukaltinas]

Immediately scrolled down to say the same thing, when I saw the ship moving

[@richardpowell4281]

One potential is that life is abundant but technology perhaps isn't. Perhaps most life arises in planets completely covered in oceans, where they can't as easily experiment with electricity. Perhaps without fire you don't have metallurgy and thus can't tech-up to things like radios. So the universe might be teaming with extremely intelligent whale or octopus-like creatures that simply like a similar tech-tree to us.

[@berg450]

My favorite solution to the Fermi Paradox: FTL is impossible, there's millions of alien planets but we will never visit them, they will never visit us, we will never meet.

[@mikcurius3779]

Right

[@1Hol1Tiger]

Naw

[@kadenk9298]

Yeah but wormholes are theoretically possible. So in theory if a civilization became advanced enough to open and stabilize wormholes then they can travel many light years in a short amount of time

[@BlueNades1]

​@@kadenk9298That's a huge "if" consodering they were able to such a thing, then why would they want to visit earth of all planets? We aren't particularly unique, hell, if they're far enough away, we'd still look like a fireball anyway.

[@Alias_Anybody]

Even at let's say 1/4 light speed, drones could reach a bunch of stars before said civilization collapses. Therefore, you'd have to assume civilizations are very far apart both in space and time.

[@BlackHawk2901]

I love when sci-fi lore explains scientific and historical mysteries

[@Soldier4USA2005]

Right?! It has to be done properly, though. Some are just hand waving "answers" because there is so little to go on in the first place. But lore filling all the small gaps in knowledge throughout a story? YEAH!!!!!!

[@FleshWizard69420]

It's like the "ancient alien" stories but we know they're actually stories

[@brunohommerding3416]

Another one that fits the bill in regards to the Fermi Paradox in sci-fi are the Reapers from Mass effect

[@BlackHawk2901]

@@brunohommerding3416 the aliens franchise explored it a bit too. Ancient wars between alien civilizations, the seeding of life across the universe (including the creation of humans and religions)

[@w415800]

I prefer the method by which we die in "Accelerando" by Charles Stross.

[@nathanlaleff4273]

My idea on dead space's marker is that it was an attempt to colonize other planets and spread knowledge/develop life. The problem is, they didn't have the opportunity to test whether it would work properly or even that when they did test it, it went absolutely haywire. Essentially, the marker was a colonization experiment that went independent and it's creators lost control without being able to stop it. The rest can be assumed as what we see in the games, it spread, it manipulated life, then devoured everything and repeated over and over.

[@plmokm33]

Could be that the markers were purposefully created by these things as a form of reproduction. The first bretheren moon was probably born when whatever planet this necromorph outbreak evolved on consumed all the biomass.

[@DougalYoung]

Have you read the three-body problem? Great book, playing with this idea. Strong recommendation!

[@KaihanDTuna]

That's actually really good theory

[@presseagainidareyou4704]

I believe this as well. The markers have always seemed way to advanced for the brethren moons to have created. My guess is a godly race of creators were trying to populate planets and give them intelligence quickly only for it to glitch out

[@TheCorrodedMan]

Worse is the implication that the moons aren’t the final stage of the cycle, just another step on the path. They say it themselves. “The Earth draws near, teeming with life, teeming with markers. With each world we devour, a new brother will rise and be made whole. Our network will grow, and we will live forever” They aren’t gods…not yet. One day they’ll come together in one final convergence event to become something more than flesh and bone; a Carrion God, ruling eternally over a whispering graveyard expense of endless Dead Space.

[@crunchylettuce2928]

If humanity can make it this far, im pretty sure someone else can.

[@GuyChooo]

Don't forget the resources, if they have better resources than ours, they progressed farther than our most advanced tech today.

[@matthewmoser1284]

My biggest problem with the idea that we haven't detected alien signals is that I can barely get clear cell phone or radio signals here on earth. Why are we expecting aliens from Omicron Persei VIII to be able to watch whole episodes of Ally McBeal??

[@DarkFlamesDarkness]

The ones looking for signals from space arent using anything as crappy as you would be willing to buy for daily use.

[@matthewmoser1284]

@DarkFlamesDarkness yes but the greatest, most powerful telescopes or satellite dishes in the WORLD cannot recreate a damaged signal. Once a signal has been interfered with, which we know happens in the interstellar medium, you cannot reconstruct it. It's too degraded.

[@roonkolos]

Solid reference ♡

[@SmartStart24]

😂😂

[@pizzlerot2730]

Single female lawyer / Fighting for her client / Wearing sexy mini-skirts / And being self-reliant

[@Lawsonomy1]

This seems like a combination of "The Grate Filter" solution and "the dark forest" solution to the Fermi paradox. The Great Filter is something that wipes out lifeforms before they become galaxy spaning civilizations (usually depicted as either natural disasters or self destruction as mentioned at the top of the video), the dark forest is the idea that the galaxy is filled with some terrible danger and all the civilizations are keeping quiet and avoiding making noise to avoide attracting it. I heard The Dark Forest expressed best in a creepy pastas where a star half the distance from Earth as the time Earth had been transmitting massive batches of radio signals had a habitable plant that sent us a message. When it was decoded, it was in English. It just said "Be quite. They will hear you."

[@TheMidnightLibrary]

Great* Filter🤦‍♂️

[@Lawsonomy1]

@@TheMidnightLibrary It's called Dyslexia. If you could make corrections without the insulting "🤦‍♂️" that would be great.

[@foty8679]

@@Lawsonomy1 The story is great yea.

[@satisfiedskullservant]

What's the creepy pasta called? I would love to read it

[@jabbawookeez01]

grate filter.. everything goes through the giant cheese scrapping like cosmic thing and if we survive we live. 🤷‍♂️

[@AdmiralBison]

I like to believe that somewhere in our galaxy, there is a pre-space flight civilization of tentacled Aliens pondering the same thing right now. "Where is everyone?"

[@danielszilagyi9112]

Discovering what dead space actually stands for in the game must have been bone chilling.

[@EagleTempest]

I'd like to think that given the lore and stated facts about the corruption that grows inside the Ishimura and the Sprawl/Titan Station, even if there wasn't enough biomass to start cultivating the moon immediately, over time the appropriated cells being fed infinite energy from the marker would multiply and divide to suitable levels of biomass, or the moons may start small but continually grow from using dead cells of the species its destroyed and assimilated onto itself.

[@zerginfestorhots6132]

That's honestly makes sense. Lore wise, the corruption grows ridiculously fast and is fed some form of energy to do it's functions. This means the marker is feeding it somehow, growing wildly.

[@Maphisto86]

​@@zerginfestorhots6132 I was going to say something similar. Due to obvious behind-the-scenes and narrative reasons, we were shown very little about how the Brethren Moons operate. A few things are apparent from the lore. - They are large moon-shaped creatures. - The moons are very intelligent, sentient beings. - The moons feed on the biomass of entire worlds and not just the one they were born from. - The moons have telepathic abilities. They can journey vast distances in a relatively small amount of time, considering how quickly they all converged on Earth at the end of "Dead Space 3: Awakened". - They are incredibly old, able to survive in the vacuum of space and can tap into enormous amounts of energy which they can transmit to the Markers they have seeded (or their victims have built) across the universe. Granted this is a very soft definition of science fiction but there is a lot to play with concerning the nature and capabilities of the brethren' moons if they are present in future stories set in the Dead Space franchise.

[@danilooliveira6580]

there is no reason to assume they can't use non-biological material too. they could very well absorb material from where they grow to become larger and sturdier. I mean, the extra mass has to come from somewhere when they grow, even if its a planet's air, water and minerals.

[@Maphisto86]

@@danilooliveira6580 ​ @danilooliveira6580 The moons do have what appears to be a rocky exterior. This may be a kind of biological form of armour, like on certain necromorphs, like the brute. It is also possible as well that what the brethren moon consumes includes the crust of the planet or moon it is feeding on. That would be another explanation for its appearance.

[@epsilon752]

And that was just one Marker. Brother Moons are shown to have quite a few, usually including the original Black Marker that kicked off the outbreak that caused them to be born in the first place.

[@brunohommerding3416]

For me the Reapers from Mass Effect and the Brethren Moons from Dead Space are the best creepy lovecraftian cosmic horrors in gaming science fiction. About the 6km size, i dont think it would change the scary factor too much.. the reapers for instance are about 2km in size and are pretty terrifying. What make both the moon and reapers scary for me is mostly the fact that they can screw up our brains to make us basically give ourselves to them

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

Mass Effect was such a cool series. I hope the new game disregards the ME3 ending in that it shows Shepard indoctrinated dismissing the reality of what we saw in ME3 end. That would be a truly amazing continuation, and actually make sense from what we played.

[@Mtonazzi]

Consider that 6km is the radius, so the total circumference is 12Km even!

[@ShEsHy]

ME1 Reapers, I'd agree. They were an overwhelmingly powerful and mysterious force of nature. ME3 Reapers were a joke.

[@ardour1587]

Its not creepy. Its just narcissitic small human brain projecting its fears into a stupid stories where some big monsters are after him. All real threats of being eaten by predators are pretty much gone these days but the instinct of fear is still there. Thats why people make up stupid stuff with zero logic int it.

[@MetallvmPT]

@@Mtonazzi what you talking is diameter, not total circumference. 2 different things The total circumference would be 37.68km. Multiply the diameter with Pi (or 2x radius with Pi), then you get the total circumference.

[@henryaung7229]

One kinda cool, mostly scary answer to the Fermi Paradox is "The Great Filter". A theory that there is simply an incredibly hard metaphorical line for life to cross. Now if that line is merely existing, or having consciousness in the first place, were all good, Humanity has somehow done the near impossible and can continue on. But if we haven't crossed that line yet, it means we will one day, and we won't know what it is, and who knows if we'll make it through.

[@burnin8able]

the thing about the great filter concept is that there's actually multiple layers to that filter. all the lines you described are some of them, but there are additional filter lines, like the ability to escape the atmosphere of the planet, interplanetary and eventually interstellar travel. each of those feats acts as an additional filter, so maybe the millions of other planets with intelligent life simply can't escape their solar systems due to some technological or physical constraint.

[@Alias_Anybody]

​@@burnin8able Fire and Electricity could as well be such too. There might be stone-age shamanistic Squid-Whales on thousands of planets, spending millennia wondering what's beyond the atmosphere or ice shield. In the opposite direction, there could theoretically be some kind of "magic matter" on some planets which somehow makes (near) light speed travel trivial - for some time or distance.

[@ericheng9790]

The deadpan delivery of the yo momma joke got me 3:23 😂

[@dwoli93]

One thing I think you might have forgot (I could also be remembering Dead Space 3 wrong). I believe that during the convergence event it didn't just pull up biomass but also parts of the planets crust which would make the moon must larger depending on the amount of material it pulls up.

[@ljpatt9999]

Yeah the full mass of the brethren moons include the biomass, crust, any nearby objects in the atmosphere, and the marker itself at the center

[@jidk6565]

They also take as much previous metals and other metal they can get The shell is made of a significant amount of rock But even if you'd get through it You'd start running into a metal protective layer They should be even bigger with all of that extra mass Acting like a Hermit Crabs Shell

[@user-mc6dg6qe8l]

@@jidk6565 There's nothing to suggest they specifically target metals.

[@Reaver000]

You can also see in Deadspace 3 that the brother moons are accumulating other debris, not just necromorphs and flesh. I'd assume it uses this other inanimate stuff for substructure, much like bones and cartilage in a human.

[@RepellentJeff]

Or a protective shell around the ‘brain’ and other internal ‘organs.’

[@quickschweezy]

Vsauce has a video of how much all human mass would take up, and it's a super duper small. So the calculations in this video includes all biomass like grass etc.

[@kristiyan2073]

I'm not sure that calling bones and cartilage "inanimate" is appropriate, because they can adapt to stimuli. They're not as "dead" and static as most people think they are.

[@samuelburton302]

He's just comparing bones to rocks dude lol

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Yes, this exactly. There is more to a brethren moon than just the biomass. It also takes a significant amount of material from the planet as well. So they are bigger than this video makes it seem.

[@lubi8792]

That your mama joke was personal

[@elichekable]

For some reason I see this as the top comment

[@ryanquicke6530]

Pausing the video so I could solve the equation and understand how you came to your conclusions is really cool. So glad I found this channel instant subscription!

[@Schregger]

I love that casual "Yo Mamma" Kyle through in there at the transition. **Edit** I also always figured that there existed two kinds of civilizations: Those like us, and those not like us. The question now is are we one of the better ones? or one of the worse? And if we are one of the worse, is the lack of finding life out there because they are purposely preventing us from finding anyone, in hopes of keeping hidden from us?

[@geraldyeager7652]

That could be a possibility seeing how in some forms of in sci-fi media have forms of rules preventing advanced civilizations interacting with lesser developed ones.

[@91plm]

"Yo Momma" so fat, light bends around her belly.

[@Insanonaga]

@@geraldyeager7652 Rules, somewhere, eventually, inevitably, get broken. If this is true, sometime in the future or in the past, we will meet a rulebreaker.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@Insanonaga Or not. Why does everyone think, that FTL travel, or even traveling near speed of light is even possible? Its a theory, after all, not established truth.

[@rosiepone]

I think this theory is fun highly intelligent aliens looked at us and decided that we're basically the interplanetary version of chernobyl and put up an exclusion zone around us

[@Average_Josh]

The "your momma" joke came outta nowhere but was so perfect!

[@user-cd4bx6uq1y]

He did the yo mom joke

[@giank.5373]

Amazing video, the effort is evident and apreciated. Also very funny 😆

[@AaronSteinPittsburgh]

So this gets to the point of a big problem I have with the Fermi Paradox: The calculation only considers planets which would *want* to contact us. But if aliens lived on a Gas Giant's upper atmosphere and developed a society capable of looking out to space for the sake of finding other habitable plants, they would be looking for planets habitable to *them*. We look for Earth-like planets because we think life can only exist in this "Goldilocks Zone" but even here on Earth we find examples of extromophile life which survives in the harshest of environments. Some of which is the most primitive forms of life: bacteria. If bacteria can develop and survive in extreme environments then why can't life exist on non-Goldilocks-zone planets. Those beings, evolved enough to look to space for a solution to their own population problems, would look to other planets similar to their own and try and reach out to and observe those planets. So what if aliens exist but, they're just not that into Earth?

[@based_mouse]

i mean the bigger problem is that it conveniently forgets how light works or how big space is lol, even if you had a telescope which somehow (idk how, maybe through fucking magic i guess) was able to see a far exoplanet in enough detail to see that it has life, you wouldnt even be seeing anything close to what that planet is now. its not that the aliens are dead / fake / etc., its that everything is incomprehensibly far away to the point that its impossible to observe or contact extrasolar life in any meaningful way

[@ELVIStheDotA]

@@based_mouse Exactly this, for all we know the image we got of some of these planets could be similar to our own planet circumstance back when bacteria did not even exist and right this moment there could be civilizations but we just can't see them.

[@theslay66]

First, we are not looking for Earth-like planets because we think life can only exist in a similar form than our own. But because we know it can exist, at least, in this form. That our type of biology, a carbon-based one relying on chemicals reactions taking place in water, is something that actually works. It's a matter of knowing what we are looking for. We know that the activity of our type of biology leaves clear, recognizable markers in the atmosphere, that we could try to detect in the atmosphere of other planets. If we tried to look for forms of life completely different from our own, what should we be looking for ? Anything would do, and for all we know they're just under our nose and we're unable to recognize them. Also, the matter of space (and time) is mostly irrelevant. Life existed on Earth for billions of years. And even if it's a matter of finding actual alien civilizations, nothing prevents them from having appeared thousands of years before ours -and in that case, we would detect them on a planet thousands of light years away as they were at this time. Observation of existence of life is possible, as I said, by using spectroscopy to detect specific elements in the atmosphere that are most likely the result of complex biology and not some simple chemical process. One example of this on Earth is the high concentration in oxygen. We can certainly forget about communication, for sure. But the main point here, would be to simply know they are out there. Why ? Because it's relevant for us. It's about knowing our place in this universe. Are we unique, or is life something quite common ? is there something out there potentially harmfull, or can we gleefully go out there and conquer a galaxy devoid of any competition ? These are the questions we have to answer.

[@AaronSteinPittsburgh]

@theslay66 I don't disagree with anything you said. I just think my point wasn't about us doing it wrong when we look for planets that could be similar to ours, but rather that it's more likely that alien life might be doing the same thing and neither of us are looking in places where we'll find each other. The Gas Giant aliens using their spectroscopy to find other Gas Giant planets, for example.

[@OceanMachine_]

​@@AaronSteinPittsburgh How do you develop technology on a gas giant? There are no materials you could harvest.

[@celeste9958]

A decent portion of the brethren moon is physical matter from the planet too, like rock and other non-bio materials. They use it as a hard shell. So maybe the fleshy bit is small but the rest is hard armour.

[@brewtron]

Kinda like a hermit crab but they make their own shell maybe.

[@riveness]

So you are expanding the theory to say a moon brain is made. Reminds me of Futurama

[@catweed360]

That's what I was thinking. The brethren moons use rocks and ores as a hard shell to protect it self from the radiation and just physical impacts of space junk. the fleshy bitts make up only a small portion of its mass.

[@ardour1587]

How they travel through space so fast with their mass? On farts?

[@catweed360]

@@ardour1587 pretty much they could use the methane used from the breakdown of the dead flesh as a fuel source.

[@Ephesians-6-12.]

In addition to a planet's natural biomass a brethren Moon would consume, there would also be a substantial amount of "meat" that grows (very rapidly) around every Necromorph infestation. Adding to the moon's overall size. Great vid btw! very interesting topic.

[@Giovannimtz]

That “yo mama” joke came out of nowhere, wasn’t even mad, literally just started cracking up 😆😆

[@nameard3886]

That 3:27 "comment" got me completely off guard I nearly fell of my chair 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@pulvenberg1709]

He's done that a bunch. Still funny.

[@redditdevilsadvocate.5134]

I spit my drink out

[@Sc0rpI0n235]

My only fear of deep space is if we get a response from one of the many messages we sent into space and the response is a distress call or warning that something knows where we are in the galaxy

[@Sc0rpI0n235]

@lornlynx where are we going to run to we haven't even colonized the Moon

[@privateuser3726]

@@Sc0rpI0n235 Thats the point, there's nowhere to run

[@plmokm33]

"Shut up, they can hear you."

[@primeoil4758]

What if the answer is: GTFO

[@That80sGuy1972]

What if the reply is that from humanlike life? Would you really want a planet of humanlike life who united their planet to the level in which they established interstellar travel to reach Earth? I wouldn't... considering how humans treated literally every culture they encroached upon, it was always either conquest or elimination, with peace only offered first by the one with the weaker collective fighting forces unless it was offered by the stronger one as a way to minimize their losses in conquest/elimination. I mean, we are still senselessly attacking our own kind... can you imagine encountering some interstellar species like us who, in their interstellar state, see us as the "THEM" culture? That terrifies me. If we meet another culture from space, I sincerely hope they are far better than we ever could be... and that we don't destroy them because of that.

[@kevinbenavides7944]

I swear watching this guy kinda feels like Saturday mourning PBS it’s fun and educational lol.

[@anthonycrowder1767]

When you said it sounded like something a scientist on the Ganja would come up with. I liked

[@powerflumi]

2 Things worth noting about the Brethren Moons. 1: Its that they are also made out of the crust of the planet that was consumed by the Necromorph outbreak. 2: The markers biomatter actually replicates itself at an incredible speed. The tissue that couldnt be used for mobile Necromorphs is turned into the Corruption, the fleshy substance that covers the areas in the later stages of the game, and its noted in game that it literally spreads faster than the crew of the Ishimura could burn it down. For example one of the larger creatures that are based on the Corruption, the Leviathan is noted to be around 10 Kilotons heavy and that was only after a few days of the initial outbreak occured - despite the crew of the Ishimura being only around 1500 years strong.

[@bradabradovic1935]

And the human colonies on the other moons of planets in our solarsystem

[@hellishwerewolf7798]

​@@bradabradovic1935 And Earth is extremely overpopulated in Dead space.

[@BirdOfHermes8381]

​@@hellishwerewolf7798 And in real life. 👍😉

[@snekysnek8068]

@@BirdOfHermes8381 No, with modern technology Earth could support a dramatically higher population than it currently has. Please don't parrot the talking points of billionaire assholes who want to kill off billions because they are too small minded to understand technology, economics, and basic science.

[@redvonmunster3731]

​@@BirdOfHermes8381 not even close.

[@wikilast9975]

This reminds me a lot about the Tyranids from Warhammer 40k. I would love to see Kyle calculate how much biomass a hive fleet has, since their ships were like continent sized.

[@scornlok9321]

Wish I'd seen this comment I kind of copied you without knowing it.

[@piotrd.4850]

Well, GW and W40k are notoriously bad with even rough maths.

[@SpecShadow]

@@piotrd.4850 ... or they make some absurd numbers for absurdity sake, it's WH40k after all - things are made that way

[@IronMan9771]

Something great about the Tyranids is that they have entered the milky way multiple times from different sides. The scale of that really is such that Kyle can get the numbers and find out that the nids would need the biomass from hundreds of billions of planets' worth of life or whatever and gamesworkshop can just say "yes"

[@Danielhuren]

@@IronMan9771 and there is enough out there there coming from other galaxies not the milky way it makes sense that an organism that has bin alive for probably billions of years to have accumulated as much biomass as it has considering the way it acquires it and its not just biomass it collect all usable resources from the planets they harvest

[@samsonic44844]

I love your videos as much as I love learning ❤️

[@Spencahhhhh]

Omg I listen to videos like this when I'm working and that "yo momma" GOT ME LAUGHING SO HARD IN THE OFFICE. 😂😂😂

[@Kurinth]

I've always loved the idea of how different life forms could potentially evolve in different environments, as a species we tend to get so railroaded into the idea of life like ours that we ignore the near infinite potential forms that life on other planets could take, gas giants, high pressure planets like venus, frozen worlds, toxic planets, silicon based life instead of carbon, there's so much potential.

[@crowhaveninc.2103]

Even here on earth we have animals (so still closely related to us) that look and behave NOTHING like us. Sponges and coral are a couple of very common examples of this, of course, but there are even weirder things out there.

[@sullyschwartz2365]

Not really, no. We have thought about crazy concepts of creatures for a long time, alien or no. It's simply civilizations that we associate with being human-like-And in the case of film, it's easier/more realistic to do makeup on a person than cgi

[@Ligerbee]

evolution is cool

[@danilooliveira6580]

but at the same time we all follow the same laws of physics, so some things should remain the same. if we find a planet with a characteristics that don't make sense to form naturally, then we will always double check to make sure its not life. but its not a weird assumption that life out there will also be carbon based since carbon is by FAR the best and most stable atom to create complex chemistry. so evidence for life out there will probably look like the evidence for life we see on earth.

[@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep]

Evolution isn't even real lol. It's 2022 and Darwinian evolution is still not a functional nor worked out theory. No primary evidence(no speciation in the fossil record, missing links still missing, no transitional dna), no primary mechanism(no way to produce new communicative information, only mutate aka degrade pre-existing information), it's not even falsifiable(all results explainable and not reproducible) so really shouldn't even be called a scientific theory. It fits the criteria for being defined as mythology. It failed Darwins own predictions. It defies entropy and information theory, creating information in a higher state than it previously was rather than degrading. It doesn't work and never has. The whole thing is almost entirely speculation and conjecture across the board. It's patently nonsensical mindless matter can't create. Rationality does not come from irrationality, the burden of proof is on those who say it does.

[@masonjohnson4310]

IIRC, part of the brethren moons are literally chunks of the planets themselves, which could bump up the mass. Additionally, the Brother Moons also feed on planets themselves, which might mean that they can get way bigger over time.

[@primeoil4758]

What a bs, what is there to feed onto? Stone?

[@a.morphous66]

@@primeoil4758 Rocks are made of or contain carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, all the stuff you need for biological material. It's pretty out there but nonetheless distantly believable for some alien process to convert these elements into organic compounds that are used to build biomass.

[@nyanbrox5418]

@@primeoil4758 imagine if worms could eat dirt, that would be crazy right?

[@DarthBiomech]

Also considering they're suggested to be incredibly old IIRC, doing what they're doing for billions of years, they might've just eaten up _that_ much of other planets biospheres.

[@Stickyybenzz]

@@primeoil4758 Well, there's a fungus that grows and eats plastic

[@raizen21ss56]

I wonder if everyone on earth would get along and come together if we discovered the existence of something like a brethren moon floating around light years away.

[@johnlime1469]

What a fantastic video to start the year with.

[@Cracks094]

I feel like what most people constantly forget or not account for when talking about these things, is that when we look far away, we also look back into the past. So there might be tons of civilizations out there which are relatively speaking, very young yet. We just can't see them because we look 100s or even 1000s of years into the past. Same goes for us, a civilization on a far away planet might look at earth and see... nothing.

[@commandertempest6391]

This is the most sensical argument here in my opinion. If there's alien civilizations who can travel past speed of light, we can probably assume it costs something for them to do that, and maybe they just don't care enough about the random star that we orbit to check it out if it has life or not.

[@prometheanrebel3838]

@@commandertempest6391 Hell, to them, our solar system might not even EXIST yet.

[@lordelliott42]

Yes, there are _way_ fewer stars near enough that we'd even notice a civilization like our own (or more advance in some way) with current equipment, and the further away we look, the earlier in history a civilization would have had to become noticeable.

[@MyKharli]

How does any civilization escape the competitive nature that allowed them to succeed ?

[@SilvaDreams]

@@MyKharli Genetic alteration, simply alter their biology to no longer have that drive.

[@cassidywoodliff]

Okay so I wrote a cosmic horror short story for a creative writing class in college that was incredibly close to the creatures that Kylee describes at the end there. Makes me feel a little better about my creativity with that story if other people have had similar thoughts.

[@ShEsHy]

@Druid of Scosglen The dark forest hypothesis.

[@therecombinant6215]

Happy your teacher didn’t say “it was already done. My creative writing teacher said that and it took the wind out of my sails.

[@therecombinant6215]

“It was already done”*

[@martinpat94]

I thought you were gonna talk about the Dark Forest theory for a bit, but this is also something cool to think about.

[@bobwilson679]

Another thing to keep in mind with regards to brethren moons, Kyle, is that the actual organic part of the moon is on the inside, the outer layer of the moon is composed of "fragments of its host world to form a protective shell of rock around its vulnerable center" (from the Dead Space wiki). So the moon would actually be much wider than 6km across, when considering this protective shell.

[@aliozanerbektas]

Fermi Paradox isn't a paradox. It's almost like taking a spoon full of sea water sample and asking where all the fish is. Edit: Also by his estimates in 1:10 it appears that there is 1 single planet with life for every 1000 galaxies.

[@wifegrant]

Not true at all. Scientists use a broad scope of tools to search for life. It isn't a narrow scope survey. Light waves, radio waves, radiation, gravitational fields etc. Those things do not lie. We can determine the chemical composition of a planet and its atmosphere. Evidence of advanced life would be somewhere and these tools are very useful.

[@nobleman9393]

Or looking out of your window, not seeing any cats and concluding that there are no cats on this planet.

[@wifegrant]

@@nobleman9393 That is not the markers scientists look for. Just like animals and people leave carbon footprints. Scientists look for markers that life is or has been in a location.

[@jbirdmax]

It’s astonishing that anyone with a basic knowledge of mathematics and the universe, could still think that we could be alone in the universe. My professor explains it like this: There are more atoms in one grain of sand than there are grains of sand on this planet. There are more stars in the universe than there are atoms in every grain of sand on Earth. And people think they’re the only ion floating around their tiny atom. Or people think they’re the only germ on the beach. (Even if a germ would be the size of a galaxy cluster in this example).

[@bjseaward27]

​@@wifegrant It still begs the question. Is our sample area large enough to get an accurate answer?

[@peytonward2023]

Dear Kyle, My dearest regards. I write to you because I have to inform you that I was listening to this episode whilst hard at work in my quiet little office, and unfortunately I had not anticipated that it would be possible that you could sneak it a perfect timed to mama joke. I must inform you that after processing the joke, a cheeky little giggle escaped from my breath box before I could clasp it closed (it reverberated the walls). The repercussions will be felt in due time I am sure of that, nevertheless, I shall forge ahead! I pray you find peace in your ever increasing wisdom, and may the well of knowledge never run dry. Godspeed, PW

[@hy2707]

Imagine thinking that he will notice

[@masoclevine836]

@@hy2707 buzzkill

[@uncroppedsoop]

@@hy2707 it's a thing that does happen

[@WG_Zombeenie]

Yo momma so massive she dominates the local gravitational potential well

[@xnkatta]

You shouldn't be hard at your work. It's completely inappropriate!

[@Red_Ripz]

He’s slips that yo mamma joke in there so smooth 😭

[@Jacksonmoonstar1714]

I love the “somehow” you have scattered around 😂

[@justinr.116]

Kyle you forgot to mention that the brethren moons are made up of Rock as well. When the marker does it's convergence event it releases a blast that sends the biomass to space but also chunks of Rock

[@liftsalty]

True - only the core is "meat"

[@jacobt1045]

My personal favorite explanation for the Fermi Paradox is that the distance between star systems is so vast that for even an advanced civilization, it is unfeasible to travel those distances without SciFi technology.

[@CorwinS-kd6yu]

My thoughts exactly. It makes me sad that we may not travel the Stars exactly like we imagined. Hopefully I can upload my conscience to a machine before I die and live long enough to see

[@jacobt1045]

@@CorwinS-kd6yu would be nice. But wouldn't the uploaded consciousness not be you, though? For instance, you are copying and pasting your consciousness into a machine. So the current you will die and the you in the machine will continue. That new you isn't the real you. It's a copy of you that will have its own, unique life after you are gone. Let's say there are two cups. One is full of water, and one is empty. The one that has the water is you. The one that is empty is the machine that will store your consciousness. If you poor water from you, to the other cup, the machine, then yeah, you did just transfer your consciousness to the machine. But as I listed in the previous paragraph, that is not the case. You are not full on entering a machine to live forever, but a copy of you will, so that new, unique you will get to see the future, while the you who just wrote this message will die. Is what I said correct you think? I have no clue, but it feels right, but that doesn't mean I'm correct.

[@Tacticaviator7]

@@jacobt1045 But imo both of his versions are the same character and intelligence, short time after the copy at least. So while they might be different entities they will still be the same which means that it's essentialy still him, I have played Soma so I did a lot of thinking about this issue and these are my conclussions.

[@kalebgaul4963]

@@jacobt1045so basically the upload will act like him and do as he does but the experiences won’t be his? Am I understanding that right?

[@kalebgaul4963]

@@CorwinS-kd6yuwhat about making a machine that operates as a human body does somehow and just putting your brain inside, maybe the body also keeps your brain from aging🤷🏼‍♂️

[@fullthrottlewrx]

3:22 - slick yo mamma joke just dropped in without missing a beat! lol

[@Oardover]

I'm now obsessed with how Aria says "spoooky"

[@CyclopsRat]

I never thought of the brethren moons being "Earth's moon" sized, I always pictured them around the size of the death star. However, after doing some googling and learning that the first death star had a radius of 60km, even that is massive in comparison to the brethren moons that would be made up of the biomass on earth. Very interesting to learn about!

[@panner11]

I feel like the brother moons could absolutely be death star sized. It doesn't make sense for something that large of water density to be able to float. It would probably have large gas chambers and be extremely porous in general. So could be death star sized with a very low average density.

[@kedrickswain6509]

that's no moon, indeed.

[@danlyons9825]

Keep in mind this video only considered a newborn brethren moon born from Earth. A different planet could host greater biomass for birthing a brethren moon, and there's no reason to believe a brethren moon won't continue to consume the biomass from other planets throughout its lifetime. It's not impossible for a brethren moon to start off or grow to a death star size and beyond.

[@atomicash2475]

​@Dan Lyons they also have a rocky outer shell in some places

[@SireOblivion]

The moons you see at the end of the Dead Space 3 DLC are almost the size of Earth itself.

[@Dinjur]

Grew up playing the dead space series. Love the series, even the third game. I hope they remaster 2 and 3. They're genuinely great and the story is so well thought out. When Isaac realizes that Tau-Volantis isn't the marker home world, but rather another civilization like his own that was consumed by them was pure insanity and the weight of the hopelessness of the situation makes the ending so bitter sweet to me.

[@jessicawilson1751]

I'd like to see the 3rd game made to be purely single-player. I tried the 3rd game (completed 1 and 2 and loved them) but I quit playing as soon as I hit the muti-player only content in my single-player game. I love side quests but I don't want to be forced to do multi-player content to do all the side quests. I love lore, the multi-player-only content took me out of my immersion.

[@TheSektor13]

@@jessicawilson1751 You should still play 3. I always replay it as single player and it is pretty good game.

[@micheljavert5923]

Really great video! Good points all 'round. One teeny-tiny side note: The Brethren Moons aren't a "natural" species (yeah, I know). They're a post-Singularity species, so we're talking about something that was already alien to us that then hit a point in its development where it stopped being something our civilization could properly comprehend. It's funny how both Mass Effect and Dead Space use the same answer to the Fermi Paradox (ie A civilization that achieves Singularity then becomes a gestalt aggressively hegemonizing [swarm] entity) but in two *entirely* different ways. *But* (again) with similar mechanisms of action/bait for discovering potential "converts." To the idea that we think the galaxy is dead because it's either being fed on or not what we're looking for, the exact opposite is also true. The BMs weren't even aware of us until we interacted with the Markers (ie, proved to be an advanced technic civilization with high energy demands), at which point Humanity becomes a candidate for conversion or consumption. So it's entirely possible there is Life out there but it's completely uninterested in any form of communication or interaction because Humanity is beneath its notice (John C. Wright's "Count to a Trillion" and Alastair Reynolds's "Revelation Space" are two great fictional examples of this idea).

[@brodiddy877]

I like the idea that Winston will be the last line of defense on earth if a brother moon were to be made

[@jacobhougham570]

The brethren moons are thought to have a rocky exterior kind of like an exoskeleton. This would add to the mass a bit. It is also never clear what the inside of the moons look like, they may not be a solid hunk of flesh but rather a series of organs veins and tendrils all connected together.

[@moosepocalypse6500]

I haven't played the remake, but I LOVE the line in Dead Space 3 about the futility of a career in xenobiology... "There's nothing to study, it's all dead space" *cue Peter Griffin going "hey!" because he just said the name of the game lol

[@osets2117]

The remake is basically perfect

[@ardour1587]

It is a condridiction. Its not "just dead space" since it inhabited by moons wich are pretty much alive. So, goin from that fact, the story is not about dead space but poor humans being sad that they are not on top of the food chain. Wich makes it pretty much the same as countless other stories where some scary monster hunts people. In dead space they just upscaled that scenario to the whole galaxy but logicaly its pretty much generic abuse of primordial human fear of being eaten by a predator. Since predators on our planet are hardly a threat to our population, we come up with some spooky stories 🤷 .

[@osets2117]

@@ardour1587 "eep garba durkle, someone's gonna get laid in college". This also isn't predation either, as the brethren moons don't devour other species for sustenance. This is how they reproduce. Think fungus, what they do when breaking down organic matter isn't "predation"

[@ardour1587]

@@osets2117 I appriciate the gymnastics but what difference does it makes? Sabre cat would eat me to feed itself to live and reproduce. Im dead as a result. Stupid spooky moons will do some other thing to me, again, to reproduce. And Im also dead and my body used to the benefit of population for other species, wich contridicts my survival instinct. So, I dont get what you sain there. Try again.

[@onmike7944]

Roll credits.

[@Cheese_dawg]

Great educational and interesting video! My favorite part was the yo mama joke that caught me totally off guard lmao

[@hdagnel]

Not me absolutely choking on that “yo mama” joke lol

[@SheyD78]

I wonder if the Dark Forest idea that aliens are 'hiding' their existence based on the likelyhood of other civilizations being hostile might not be both more realistic and more terrifying. I need all my dimensions damn it.

[@Burkutace27]

The problem is civilisations cannot hide in space, and certainly not from ones more advanced than they. Humanity as we are now concealing ourselves from a civilisation with even modest interstellar travel ability is like a sailing ship hiding from a Modern Carrier battle group; not happening.

[@againstalltyrants9001]

Dark forest doesn't hold up, the instant you destroy a civilization you make yourself a target fle anyone ends watching, now they KNOW you are hostile.

[@Alexander_Kale]

Imagine if you are a xenophobic civilization with the intent of going around killing other civs. The moment you do that for the first time, every hidden civilization in the galaxy who saw you do it became your mortal enemy. "Hidden" does not mean they cannot have huge telescopes. So you better be damn thorough, or one of those hidden civilizations will then start an arms race so they can blow you up in self defence.

[@madeingu5975]

Oh i read that Liu Cixin's book a few month ago 🥰

[@xenn4985]

They stole the instantaneous transmission of photons, cant have shit in this universe

[@eggnorman]

I love how you slowly transition from calling them "Brother Moon" to "Meat Moon"

[@theamazingchannel470]

I literally had to rewind because I couldn't believe a heard a "yo mama" joke at first instance.

[@bayouboigaming]

That might have been the most straightly delivered “your mom” joke I’ve ever heard

[@LostRiver77]

3:27 ha dammit you got me

[@captaindagonsworldoffunstuff]

The existence of such creatures lurking around the dark corners of this vast universe both fascinates me and unnerves me

[@ArtDeGuerra]

Think of it as cancer cells

[@ardour1587]

Lurking how? They travel though space on farts or something? These stories are beyond stupid :)

[@saruwatarikooji]

@@ardour1587 In all of the vastness of the universe you assume such a childish and simple form of thrust as the only possibility? The point is, we have no idea and the sheer scope of it all means we can't even really begin to guess. It's not stupid to imagine such things...as we imagine these things and learn more about the universe we can potentially stumble on the solution to travel the stars. I'm all for being realistic in reality but just remember, it was only about 100 years ago that people assumed humans would never fly, yet here we are developing flight and traveling to the moon in less than a century.

[@ardour1587]

@@saruwatarikooji You switched the subject basically. First you assumed us being destroyed because of that pure human statement you brought initially and now you decided to expand the discussion to space alien vaguiness :) But there is not much to talk about. Simply because we dont have data. For now we are just like those humans in our early years who speculated that sun is an eye of a giant or something :)) Traveling to the moon is a difficult thing btw. And pointless for now. And outside our system there is such things like space radiation wich is pretty much unsolvable. Dunno... We have tonn of problems here to solve. We still live in degenerative capiyalistic economy wich works to the benefit of minority. Forget space for now :)) To begin with we might want to not having a planet with allmost half of it being a starving population.

[@SlermmMcderm]

Imagine an ant think the entire universe is empty because he’s never left the parking lot

[@seanharris8419]

It’s almost a mathematical impossibility that we are completely alone. Whether the answer is that there have been civilizations before us that died out millions or billions of years ago for whatever reason or that the universe is just so vast that the ability for intelligent species to reach or even communicate with each other across the cosmos remains a almost impossible. Either way, I’d be willing to bet everything I own that we aren’t/weren’t the only ones to inhabit this universe.

[@aonghuslane6246]

Ok, the "yo' mama", @ 03:37 was smooth. And made me laugh!

[@RifterDask]

I've always enjoyed the thought that we're the monsters on the cosmic stage. That we are the great devourer, the Tyranids, the Zerg. The idea of a charismatic and personable swarm species fascinates me.

[@chiefster11]

@@SolidFake I think the creepiest part was that they mentioned one of the organisms floating in the hive used to a species that tried to end their existence. But now they are mindless husks to the Hive.

[@chiefster11]

you would love r/HFY or humanity is fucking awesome stories as they go over stuff like this.

[@hanneswiggenhorn2023]

In terms of humans as the monsters in a galactic conflict, Enders Game is probably the best movie I know. Even tho humans here are also fighting a swarm alien, it rises some pretty interesting and important questions about the ethics and if a victory is worth winning, if it requires moral bounds to be broken

[@lordpotatochips3973]

kinda similar but not really is All Tomorrows, humanity gets split across the galaxy and mutated by an extremely advanced alien race, the book goes over the different evolutionary paths and the final versions of "humanity" are pretty terrifying, also implying that they end up doing the same thing to the previous race that mutated them long ago. Absolutely solid book that is free to read online in PDF form.

[@regisdenoir1361]

In aliens eyes, we COULD be the monsters. There are way more efficient ways of sustaining life than eating other living beings, photosynthesis for example. Imagine 95% of the civilizations base their life energy in photosynthesis because they just happened to evolve that way. And then they find us, monsters eating other living monsters that at the same time eat other living monsters and at the same time, they eat the only living beings that base their life in photosynthesis. They wouldn't want to contact us because we're way too disgusting.

[@Tonba1]

One thing to note ablut brethren moon size is density they could be very porous on the inside allowing for a greater volume

[@Vanamonde]

Great video. My thing with Fermi is timing. Like how many planets are stable environments in stable solar systems with the materials to harbor life that happened to give that life long enough time to develop and evolve sentience and evolve further to create technologies we which our own primitive technologies could detect. Not to mention most of these said planets would be hundreds or thousands of lightyears away so this mightve happened but long before us or long after us.

[@DropkickOfTheCentury]

'like yo mamma' ,nice

[@samueltrusik3251]

Dead Space is filled with interesting topics and theories. Would love to see you do more videos on it! I am however dissappointed to see that you did not mention that Brethren moons are also made out of the crust and minerals of planets, that protect their fleshy insides, making them a lot larger.

[@ombelle5284]

That makes even more sens, I'm scares now 🥺

[@wheatunrye]

A terrifying answer to the Fermi Paradox that I like comes from the Remembrance of Earth's Past book series. Every civilization is keeping as quiet as possible, because anyone who gets noticed get immediately destroyed by their neighbors 😳 and here we are just shooting radio waves out in the cosmos, putting a target on our back 😅

[@luckyy3691]

Imagine there's a particularly violent or aggressive alien civilization that communicates solely with radio waves/strange sounds, and they hear one of our frequencies but misunderstand the intention. 🌎: 📢〰️〰️ "hello, is anyone out there?" 👽:"AY THE FUCK CHU SAY ABOUT MY WIFE AND MOMMA!? 🔫😡 Oh hell naw, I'm getting the whip and heading over there right now 🛸"

[@that1guy73075]

Sorry, we hate the quiet.

[@masonwalline7110]

This is the dark forest analogy

[@JC-Alan]

Yup, this book is based on the well established Dark Forest theory (hence the name of the second book). It's still an incredibly compelling idea, and I do love the way the books goes about adopting it, even if it gets pretty depressing. I wouldn't worry too much about our radio waves. No way they're making it past the Oort cloud.

[@TeensierPython]

I read somewhere that we greatly overestimated our emission strength and that nobody is going to hear us and we won’t hear anyone else.

[@DMoneyTaz15]

I don’t think our reception angle is so tight that we’d miss a signal from a gas planet but catch one from its rocky neighbor

[@Biggy_Toke]

Idk if it’s just me but being by ourselves in the universe doesn’t seem all to bad. If there are things out there we would be in a constant stat of paranoia of when they’ll be here how much will show up

[@animeveteran]

Had to pause mid-watch because the yo mama joke made me laugh way too hard, it caught me so off guard. Kyle, you wonderful science weirdo, never change. ^^

[@josephv7762]

This grown man is still dropping your mama jokes and it's wonderful. 😂

[@capybara5494]

Same, lost the full minute after the joke and had to come back 😂. Kyle you magnificent creature

[@totower9597]

This guy is definitely willing to donate his body to an eldrich, flesh, moon, god, ball.

[@davidkacprzyk1989]

3:22 yo momma jokes 😂 😂 😆 😆

[@jefflebowski3784]

Great video Kyle, as always. I’m tempted to craft a conclusive contrary argument, but I’ll just go with “nah”.

[@jollyollie2126]

Does anyone else ever think about what if aliens are like… in another dimension of space or like something similar to viruses like just so foreign we don’t recognize it? My thinking is like: we’ve discovered different laws of physics via random science and math and our senses but there could be some extra space where life exists we haven’t thought about.

[@Raktus]

I mean, this all just sounds like a creepy version of the Dark Forest with so many extra steps. My fave answer to the Fermi Paradox has been that the thing that seperates us from other possible civilizations isn't just distance, but time. That the countless number of planets capable of bearing life will or have, but not all at once. That we occupy a brief moment in time where we exist... But civilizations came before us out there that already died off, and more will come after us as well.

[@cevk]

The Berserkers predates the Dark Forest: an alien civilization left behind a self-replicating killing machine that destroys any life that is not its creators.

[@fabiankehrer3645]

But if you asume that life ever spread in their system or to other stars it would be incredibly hard to kill all of them. There would have to be some mechanism that we don't know of yet that regularily kills civillisations.

[@awandererfromys1680]

@@fabiankehrer3645 Yea, but how far down the road are we? We can't even colonize the Moon atm, let alone leave our Solar System. That technology is still centuries away, all we have is CGI. Yet we have already polluted our planet to the point where ecological collapse is becoming reality. We're only making it harder on ourselves. In other words, how great are the chances that an intelligent lifeform reaches the point where they're not just sending out a few dozen in probes, but where space travel has become so commonplace that they're taking the leap by the millions? In _Dead Space_ people are mining and space travel is just part of their job like driving a truck. I think we vastly overestimate that number. Our energy didn't come clean and sustainable when we started technology. Regardless of our own struggles with that, if that holds true in general then that's a possible bottleneck.

[@demonslayereren3970]

Mass Effect Reapers

[@jorriffhdhtrsegg]

Its not the Dark Forest, which includes more steps. The Dark Forest hypothesis stands whether there is a threatening lifeform or not. The chain of suspicion is supposedly emergent from the simple fact that alien races know nothing about eachother so deduce destruction, or hiding....more often the destructiveness is assumed of other races, thus they are a threat, thus require annihilation. THen in a roundabout way there is ALSO a super-powerful race that suspects all other races may destroy it that represents the pinnacle of a chain of suspicion. Other aliens aren't being quiet however because they know for a fact it exists, its only deduced.. Dead space: Alien go yum, me eat stuff make new alien. Oh dear all life dead.

[@DemonKing19951]

This is why I really want a gas giant origin in Stellaris. The idea that you're basically playing a civilization that basically grew up with a relationship closer to that of clown fish and sea anemone would be awesome. Particularly if they ended up giving you a special kind of colonization option which was literally just growing life on other gas giants to make them habitable. Though I will admit in the video I felt like it was a missed opportunity that you didn't bring up the fact we've known about life they can actively feed on radiation for a while now. So a large enough organism with a potentially 'perfect' ecosystem enclosed within themselves and radiotrophic bacteria and surface organs wouldn't even necessarily need to enter suspended animation. Not even aging is really a factor with enough evolution, which to be fair for the age of our universe and the size of gas giants preventing the same kind of planet wide resets to life earth experienced it's really a big issue.

[@BoindilTwoBlades]

Didn't Sanderson do it with the "elves" in his skyward series

[@DemonKing19951]

@@BoindilTwoBlades Wouldn't know personally, but sounds really cool if he did.

[@PapaBear5433]

There's an origin mod on the steam workshop, many in fact that will have it - you're welcome. One of them I got has that origin, and even has a nomad version where you can build your empire off ships and can't settle planets.

[@ArmitageShanksuk]

@@PapaBear5433 I even have one where you can be dragons inhabiting the clouds of a gas giant. Oh the Stellaris workshop...

[@Exakan]

@@PapaBear5433 Probably you mean my mod DarkSpace?^^

[@TheSeranath]

Aria's "spooky!" cracked me up

[@bodkinrappallum6137]

The "like yo mama" was so smooth it sent me

[@2lostbikes]

This is an interesting solution to the Fermi Paradox. I've never played this game, so this is the first I'm hearing about it. If the most abundant form of biological entity on Earth is something nonsentient (viruses) that ends up destroying sentient things, you could make the argument that this is also the most abundant form of life in all of the universe, hence a situation described in this video.

[@elijahwatjen9839]

Viruses are very strange things, they look more like machines

[@Tinyliv333]

It's debatable whether viruses are alive at all. So it would be rather out of place to call it a "form of life".

[@Tinyliv333]

@@elijahwatjen9839 they certainly behave the way our current concept nanomachines do and fit the definition by their size and action....it wouldn't surprise me to learn they're nano machines of some kind.

[@BillyViBritannia]

@@Tinyliv333 They kinda are already. Depends on whether we want to include organic constructs in the definition of nanomachines but we already know you can artificially craft them.

[@God_abandoned_us_all]

Viruses can be used like nanomachines, biotech is researching them a lot because they are perfect things for modifying the DNA of organisms during their lifetime - some of scientists research them to create viruses that would target specifically cancer cells - problem is that almost every cancer cell is quite different from each other. But one of uses for viruses we currently have is creating immortal immune system cells

[@Thrillrider10]

Dead Space has always been one of if not my absolute favorite horror games ever. The first one is my favorite simply because of how good of a job it does at making you feel completely isolated. Also that Isaac Clark isn't some crazy overpowered supersoldier, he's just an engineer who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[@bibsp3556]

Being an engineer is so perfect. Gives an excuse to be doing what you're doing and cramped up and alone. Plus tools as weapons is fun

[@AutumnOnFire]

Aria saying "spooky" was far too adorable.

[@barefootcoolboy_3264]

Space scares me when I start thinking about it.

[@timzoat]

Thanks for the calculation on earth's biomass. As a W40k Tyranid player, this is quite impressive when you imagine the size of the hive ships, that only consist of biomass themselves. There has to be enormous amounts of goop in the grim dark future of the 41st millenium and even more outside of our galaxy where the nids come from. But its also astounding that breeding an army that can conquer and consume a whole planet does not need that much biomass in the end, when you think about it. Quite fascinating!

[@electroflames]

Too be fair tyrannidsbalso absorb the planets core minerals and atmosphere and turn all of that into biomass, so they have a lot more ingredients too work with

[@seprithlicastia463]

Considering the Tyranids can just turn around and eat their dead to offset their loses, it likely just means there is a lot more use of attrition tactics than is typically depicted.

[@dr.dreamer8914]

Heretic(s).

[@michotito4874]

calculation?

[@Alexander_Kale]

Everything about the Tyranid idea is both fascinating and extremely broken. Basically, you would need centuries to lift all the usable mass into space - because both Oceans and atmospheres are extremely heavy. Not to mention scraping the top couple hundred meters of soil off a planet. (On earth, even if you only take the top TEN meters, that would be about 2 MILLION cubic miles of stuff) BUT once you do, you can make a billion battleships out of just that one planet alone. In other words, once the Tyranids have eaten a single planet, say an empty one somewhere in the boonies, the entire Imperium would be toast, but in reality the process would take so long that they would have time to interfere and shut it down...

[@WolfStar08]

One point I feel doesn't get brought up enough with the Fermi Paradox is that just from the pure scale of the whole universe, not just our galaxy, but the universe itself could mean that it's simply that nothing else has made its way to us yet. All the ideas on this paradox are fun, that's just my personal take on the "solution" for it. Compared to us being completely alone through being the first or last intelligence in the universe. A great video which I feel the explaining of The Moons to the Fermi Paradox helps put how horrifying they really are into perspective.

[@saucevc8353]

I personally find that implausible. Our galaxy is 100000 light years across, even if aliens could only travel at 1% the speed of light they would be able to travel across the galaxy in a million years. That's a long time for us, but on the timescales of space and evolution it might as well be nothing. There's no reason to assume intelligent alien life could only form within the past 1 million years, so why haven't those much older civilizations reached us yet?

[@WolfStar08]

@@saucevc8353 That is a fair and valid point too yes. But in the what if of this scenario what if they decided to leave the galaxy and explore others first as I had mentioned with it not just being our galaxy but every other galaxy of the entire universe out there that's still left to explore beyond us and even if alien life from the Milky Way decided to stay here and not leave yet, its that even larger scale of vastness that makes me lean more towards the idea that I posed in my first comment. Thank you for your reply back on it, its always fun seeing what other people think of my take on the paradox.

[@saucevc8353]

@@WolfStar08 Why would they choose to spend so much more effort to explore faraway galaxies than the stars right next to them? I'm sure some would leave, but it's much more convenient to colonize within your own galaxy.

[@WolfStar08]

@@saucevc8353 That it is yes and is more likely, its just a apart of the what if since so many different things can go into each aspect or thought brought up for the paradox.

[@privateuser3726]

@@saucevc8353 What if we're the first intelligent lifeform to develop and the rest are still in their animalistic stages of evolution, for example before the extinction event for the dinosaurs some raptors were evolving to become the intelligent life form. So in the end extinctions can massively set back the development of sentient life

[@austinclements8010]

youtube reccomends me science stuff after this like im smart when in reality i came here for the video game being involved xD

[@user-dd7hv2sx5b]

The Idea That Everyone Is Dead And That We Are The Last Of Us [Ba Dum Ts] Is Honestly Terryfing. 😅