How Democracies Fail: A Conversation with Anne Applebaum (Episode

[@HistoryFromAScot]

We need more conversations like this, logical and thoughtful.

[@TheDiveDawg]

Revisionist and delusional.

[@antoniobolgnameyerwe3844]

And utterly delusional.

[@justafriendlyhomosapien]

​​@@TheDiveDawg I don't like it (or understand it ,may be ) therefore it must be delusional 🤓

[@donmadziva1689]

I am Zimbabwean and i hear what you are saying about my country.

[@dandybufo9664]

do you agree ?

[@willdon.1279]

@donm You have our sympathies, sadly too many African ex-colonies have exchanged a boss for a thieving tyrant. Sad. And now we may be going down the same path.

[@TimDeadmenVP]

Absolute cesspool, right?

[@brandonburns5365]

​@@willdon.1279a thieving tyrant still owned by the colonizers

[@ianmacfarlane-fl3tl]

Great discussion. It's deeply ironic that disagreeing with the government leads so many people to support a man who aspires to outlaw disagreeing with the government.

[@effingright3045]

It's nearly as ironic as saying Trump will outlaw disagreement with him when it was Biden and the left that literally established a dystopian Disinformation Governance Board to federally censor opposition to leftist group think.

[@jonathanbuckenmyer4888]

Does he? What makes you think that?

[@everythingsawesome]

​Trump has repeatedly said he aspires to change media liability laws, including defamation, to more aggressively expose media organizations to legal and government reprisal when they speak negatively of him. ​@@jonathanbuckenmyer4888

[@4tube4567]

@@jonathanbuckenmyer4888That’s Trump’s other unique ability - inspiring people to read nefarious intent into any action or comment. Even those he never made.

[@jonathanbuckenmyer4888]

@4tube4567 I'd say that was the mainstream medias special ability.

[@Saeder]

Thanks for all you do, Sam!

[@Mac-ku3xu]

🤮🤮🤮

[@samdg1234]

TDS notwithstanding. 😅

[@vaffelproductions]

@@Mac-ku3xubot

[@TheDiveDawg]

NATO is a defensive org as she claims? TDS and revisionist history is thick with these two. Ask Iraq, Libya and many others how defensive NATO is..

[@dtmoore500]

Thanks Sam and Anne! Great conversation

[@oldrichkosacka5522]

It was laughable listening to how one sided this conversation was.

[@Captain.Fantastic]

Such an important podcast episode. Everybody should listen to this.

[@nineteenninetyfive]

It seems to me we are not capable of talking about what has caused the current state of the world. We in the west have let the global businesses take advantage of cheap labour in China and Mexico and cheap oil in Russia. This has disenfranchised the working class in our own countries and enriched the populations and governments of the other countries. We have let ourselves become weak in comparison to these other countries who are our political enemies. At the same time we have taken on a huge burden by accepting large scale immigration whicb also provides cheap labor for business. Governments have prioritised GDP over the wealth of the average citizen. Businesses have only maximised short term profits without considering the effect on society. The question is who is going to challenge this doom spiral? Because its what is really causing harm to the west.

[@mountainair]

The push for globalization in the 90s was well intentioned, but was a mistake in retrospect.

[@call_in_sick]

Well said.

[@aroemaliuged4776]

Exactly

[@paaaaaaaaq]

Thank you. Cant say it better. But how to turn the boat?

[@TheHighlanderprime]

Your idea is partially true. But you drew a simplistic conclusion. Americans largely would not be willing to take on the work going to China and Mexico for the salary welcomed abroad. I don’t believe that your connections are on par with the politics that Anne and Sam are discussing.

[@MrJoefizzy]

I don't know why but I always feel relaxed when I hear Sam's podcast intro music.

[@GingerBuffalo]

Having grown up in the 1980s and come of age in the late '90s, it's been stunning to see some of the things discussed here take place over the course of my life. I can still remember vividly the Reagan years, where the Republican right were as vehemently anti-Russian, exuberantly "pro-freedom" as anyone across the political landscape. I recall Ted Koppel's speech at my university graduation extolling the benefits of the still very young Internet, saying that from now on things like the holocaust won't ever happen again because information will flow so quickly that the entire world will know. Fast forward 20-30 years, these ideas seem quaint now. Ted Koppel really had no idea just how twisted our world of misinformation could actually become. And I certainly did not see coming the shift of the western political right to embrace totalitarian strongmen. This interview is a fascinating one though, as it provides some pretty compelling explanations for all of this. Not sure where it goes from here, but it's good to have some understanding of how we've gotten here.

[@minoramare5829]

Incredible conversation ❤ thanks for both of you 🙏

[@Abcnz1989]

She was not critical enough of the far left and their increasing tolerance for violence. Vichy France is reminiscent of today's France and its ever rising antisemitism problem, which is particularly present in leftwing politics.

[@Mevlinous]

Yep, this talk was full of bias and hypocrisy, are they both really that blind to not be able to apply the same criticisms of the left and the left infected state and capitalistic structures?

[@Kaddywompous]

Sadly, I’ve become very skeptical whenever someone brings up ‘the problem of anti-semitism’, as it’s been so often used of late to silence criticism of Israel.

[@FutureDeadGuy007]

Why is it a problem? It's rational.

[@Abcnz1989]

@@Kaddywompous yeah ok. People don't criticize Israel they demonize it and its population. They are obsessed with Israel and the level to which it is demonized and delegitimized is absurd. Especially when you take note of the death tolls and human rights abuses of some of their war-torn neighbors. It kinda makes you think that perhaps the thousands of years of a genocidal conspiratorial hatred called antisemitism, has been newly projected onto the only tiny Jewish country in the world, the size of New Jersey.

[@Abcnz1989]

​@Kaddywompous People are obsessed with Israel in deranged way while ignoring all other wars and even actual ongoing genocides. They don't criticize Israel they demonize it. Do you ever wonder why?

[@Mort64562]

i'd love to see him actually talk with these elusive higher iq trump supporters instead of talking about them from a distance, often with a guest who shares his "concern"

[@dailysmelly9756]

Same with man-made global warming skeptics. He never invites them on the show. He only has on someone who agrees with him. Sam is an intellectual coward in everything but neuroscience.

[@Kaddywompous]

He does that a lot. I’d love for him to talk TO a Palestinian supporter, for instance, instead of merely talking about them, but that’s not likely to ever happen.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@Kaddywompous "He does that a lot. " lol WHAT? who? its hard to find someone wtih less interaction with the other side than sam...

[@Kaddywompous]

@@wasdwasdedsf Read my comment again.

[@toby9999]

That was a fantastic and informative discussion. Thank you.

[@Brandon-os3qr]

Im agreed with 99% of this. I do think that more of these kinds of conversations should acknowledge our country's history of doing/using the same tactics FOR the cause and principles of democracy as well. And in that same conversation...using the same tactics in ways that HURT democracies when the non-democratic governments were favorable for our other self-interests

[@nappybiscuit]

What was the 1% you disagreed with?

[@Brandon-os3qr]

@@nappybiscuit can't remember anymore. I do know that one of the things I sometimes question with Sam is areas where he agrees with aspects of issues the left points out, disagrees with aspects of how the left approaches solving those issues, but often doesn't even discuss what could be better solutions. And I can imagine that there'd have been some overlap here. But I've frankly already forgotten most of this conversation

[@phd1313]

I don't think it's for democracy. It's for keeping the money and the power. It's the same mechanism I agree but for the same reasons. That's the blind spot in this podcast.

[@Bleepbloopblappp]

@@Brandon-os3qr I have constant quibbles with Sam but at the same time, it is only because I respect his thinking and discussions often that I hold him to a higher standard I guess. No one is perfect on everything

[@darren5597]

She has no self reflection or self critism for her side. This is why she will always be surprised when things happen.

[@Bpace777]

Some of the talking points against David Sachs, Elon Musk, etc. in this discussion are so counter factual that I think they didn’t even bother to listen to these people before constructing a frame of mind for them. To assume that David Sachs must care more about business interests than a genuine concern of a potential war between two nuclear powers like most of us do is disingenuous. He has a weekly podcast. You can go listen to his concerns.

[@JackSchitt-p9t]

They don't care. If they did, then they would let David Sachs speak for himself or at least tell the audience what David Sachs actually says. If the claim is that Sachs is lying, then say it, but let him speak for himself. Sam hates to be misrepresented, but it's righteous when he does it.

[@bobbyjunelive]

@@JackSchitt-p9t yeah and the fact of Elon‘s name arriving and her telling everybody that he’s only interested in money I mean what kind of brain is she working with me you’re obviously right guy before this guy they just I can’t I can how can you live on the planet and arrive at that highly publicized persons, personality traits by just you have to forcefully ignore the way in which he unveils his life’s plans ever since he started losing his hair back in the 90s I mean why do people like this thing Think that what they do is good I wouldn’t consider what I think is dependable in such a way is this I defend what I think about is positive with my arguments but I don’t go to my appointments and lie straight up and it’s it’s the lying is so blatant that I would be embarrassed ahead of time, knowing that everybody knows I’m full of shit

[@smok40]

⁠@@JackSchitt-p9twhat David Sachs says about Russia is so incredibly ignorant and out of touch with reality, then he is either a moron, or a lier. And apparently he is not a moron…

[@NorseAtheist]

Very interesting interview and many important point are raised in it. I think a big caveat is that it seems most politicians today are in it for the personal gains, not the people they govern. Look at how the top politicians in both the Democrats and Republicans have made fortunes being in power. This is eroding the faith people have in the system (and not only in the US, but in Europe where I live as well), and is to my mind a big part of the reason a character like Trump can get elected. Anne is pointing out the fact that a judge is misusing the institutions for political purposes, I agree, but the same can be said all over the political spectrum, which is a major reason why people loose faith in these institutions. Even though I am an atheist, it seems quite prudent to point to the biblical verse of "speck that is in your brother’s eye" here. It is certainly to easy to blame Russian propaganda and misinformation as the only or largest contributing factor here (I am not excluding that this IS a factor), but I think most blame is how the political class have lost connection to the people. Trump is representing someone outside the political elitist class (the establishment), and a disruptor of their apparent power-mongering (even if he himself is also a power-hungry, self-serving elitist in his own right). Also globalization has destroyed the working-class in the West, these people will certainly vote for the one that talks about bringing their jobs home. This was the same effect we saw in the British vote on Brexit, people were trying to tell the establishment to take a greater concern in the people they are governing. The Western economic influence strategy of the 90's (mentioned by Anne in this episode) and the self-serving political/mainstream media/big capital conglomerate, is in my mind the reason we get people like Trump in power. The establishment has made their own beds, by being blind to the effects of their own policies on a vast number of the electorate. The disenfranchised people protesting the yoke of the totalitarian states (like Navalny), is in its own way the disenfranchised in our western democracies (which some called deplorable). These people will naturally protest when they are forgotten and ridiculed. I think this highlights the importance of addressing and proposing concrete solutions to their concerns if we are to maintain social stability.

[@Fomites]

I disagree that most politicians are there for the money. Perhaps a small proportion are.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Largely what you said I agree with. This seems obvious to me and I find myself questioning this logic since I don't see too many people like Sam for example talking about or thinking this way. The very fact that a person like Trump is even a viable candidate, let alone can win should be telling Democrats and the entire poltical class for that matter something is wrong. Trump has turned the polarization and discontent up to 11 but him being viable in the first place is a symptom, not the cause.

[@NorseAtheist]

@@Fomites Personal gain is not necessarily just money.

[@SaviorMoney-777]

@@Fomites If they remain - yeah that's why.

[@enknaran]

Great insight. Russian propaganda would not have a foothold if we truly addressed the issues Americans have. Foreign governments should be punished for their subterfuge AND we should espouse and enact changes that tackle our problems at the root. The first is trivial compared to the second. I see this as a failure of the US and the various ideologies to instill a sense of civil duty to it's citizens. Voting is a start and we barely do that. Anyone with free time should volunteer in a charity, party, or just help a neighbor out.

[@Musiclover22897]

This is one of the rare episodes where the guest is able to match Sam in clarity of thought and felicity of expression.

[@samdg1234]

Sycophant much?

[@Fomites]

​@@samdg1234Ummm...who?

[@samdg1234]

@@Fomites Anyone giving carte blanche approval to Sam Harris. He can be a sophist and can contradict himself.

[@angusgus123]

Anne Applebaum is superb - glad you've invited her on ❤❤❤

[@Tunick1902]

Fantastic discussion. The best episode yet.

[@codecodigo5461]

Applebaum has really riled up the crazies simply by talking clearly about this topic. Wonder why ?

[@krisstapleton196]

I wonder if it had something to do with claiming Elon and David Sacks have nefarious deals with Russia. Right after stating this she said she had no evidence for her beliefs lol.

[@felixjohnston3402]

Spinning conspiracy theories about Musk being a Russian asset is totally cool with you, on the other hand. Wonder why?

[@verynice5574]

She literally says that government institutions might be used in the future for political gain as if they aren't already lol. She (and apparently you) live in a fantasy land where she is on the good guy team that only does good things vs the bad guy team that's gonna get ya. OMG they're right behind you!!! Grab your cats and run!

[@Daily_Atheist]

Sam, your speaking style has left a permanent impact on mine.

[@kevinchrist1658]

What, how to sound pompous?

[@asraarradon4115]

@@kevinchrist1658 I see you're still working on sarcasm.

[@pdcdesign9632]

​@@kevinchrist1658 Try again homie 😮

[@mikesmith542]

You mean a slow droning cadence that provides the illusion you're being careful with your words while really you're overdramatizing what can always be summarized as low effort talking points?

[@Albatrossamongus]

@@kevinchrist1658 I guess to a certain IQ demographic words three syllables and longer would seem pompous.

[@jancoil4886]

Trump plays the clown. No doubt. Overreaction by MSM makes him more powerful. The best way to handle him is by fairness, respect and by being professional. He will eventually injure himself talking too much. If the press is always over the top and irresponsible (Hitler comparisons etc) it actually makes Trump seem like the adult in the room.

[@stevemiller1345]

Spot on. Trump is such a buffoon... A smarter person would run away with all three elections he's been involved in but he's so damn dumb and can't get out of his own way. JD Vance was a horrible pick for VP... But... The coverage of him and the other side's response to him... I just cannot side with them. They're just as bad, if not worse.

[@DeebauchOprah]

why cover trump at all, like when he left in disgrace in early 2021 McCarthy decided to go to him and kiss the ring. he was as much a juggernaut as Al Capone in his final syphilitic addled years. but then the msm starts to miss their engagement from the psychodrama minstrel daily show. how can we not cover tfg and the potential future head of state?! i sincerely believe if they did ignore he'd not go quietly away, just the opposite and the same degree of horror we all felt when he left would of unloaded more unhinged from where we'd left off. americans have short memories and he played the cnn's and fox's like a fiddle albeit a quid pro quo because they got their pieces of silver, and the brain dead electorate which loves the kardashians who claim to double hate will get their fix and deserved 2nd 3rd or 4th trump term

[@Kaddywompous]

Hitler comparisons are apt (to a point). Noting the obvious and disturbing parallels doesn’t mean you’re saying he IS Hitler and is going to perpetuate a holocaust and world war.

[@FutureDeadGuy007]

Tell that to Sam Harris circa 2019.

[@FlawlessP401]

There are no parallels the contrived panicked musings of the left arent reality ​@@Kaddywompous

[@Robert-yc9ql]

Please vote. 😊

[@tomtom6319]

@@Robert-yc9ql yea, for Trump

[@vykintasmorkvenas6839]

​@@tomtom6319 trump the Trump.

[@johncarter1150]

​stop the squeal

[@ogrehaslayers605]

​@@tomtom6319why the hell would I vote for Trump? Serious question.

[@MrVirtuezzz]

​@@ogrehaslayers605arguments aren't their forte

[@rachelika1975]

Love your work Sam

[@danielpincus221]

After listening to this, I googled Orwell’s review of Mejn Kampf, read it, and then posted it on Facebook. Within a minute, the algorithm took it down. Said it was “offensive to community standards.” It offered me the option to ask for a review of the case. I took it, and checked off the boxes that said “you misunderstood the post,” and “Iwas trying to raise awareness.

[@enknaran]

That sucks. But I see why social media companies are wary of people posting about that book. Hope your review succeeds.

[@pmc7105]

Excellent episode.

[@Alex-yv4vr]

Her book is “quite good and not too long”. Made me laugh 😂

[@corrupt1238]

Agreed, a glowing recommendation

[@JeroenvanHaren]

Anybody please read anything

[@evanstein3011]

Damning with faint praise

[@synergygaming65]

That's fine; don't need a bunch of pointless fluff

[@meolow1103]

For Sam, "quite good" means A+. Comes up in other podcast episodes too.

[@SummitBidTech]

This is such an important conversation. Anne Applebaum is such an important voice to be heard.

[@mach7479]

It’s times like these where we can all pause and appreciate Ben Stiller’s unequivocal clairity.

[@dandybufo9664]

Been looking forward to this !

[@0MoTheG]

Isn't Trump more of a symptom? Shouldn't we talk about the state of society earlier?

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

Come on, everything was basically fine before 2016, haven't you heard?!

[@archstanton3430]

Nope. In the TDS-infected mind, Trump is the only problem we've ever had or ever will have.

[@Malt454]

He's the problem if it's the last opportunity to ever elect a non-GOP president. You can look at Trump as just a symptom, but the problem is that you can't fix stupid, and it's just gone too far now.

[@mcmeissner9394]

They discussed that in the first bit of the conversation

[@FutureDeadGuy007]

He is only the beginning, hopefully.

[@mt6544]

You have one of my favorite podcasts. I love it. We disagree politically though. But that is ok. Keep it up!

[@sransijakinjic9679]

As for her saying that Ukraine was not on the path to NATO, here’s what NATO website says about NATO-UA relationship history: “Dialogue and cooperation started when newly independent Ukraine joined the North Atlantic Cooperation Council (1991) and the Partnership for Peace programme (1994). Relations were strengthened with the signing of the 1997 Charter on a Distinctive Partnership, and further enhanced in 2009 with the Declaration to Complement the Charter, which reaffirmed the decision by NATO Leaders at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of NATO.”

[@kvnd7331]

Idk why she said that, the fact whether Ukraine wants to voluntarily join NATO to protect themselves against Russia, Russia has no say in it and should not

[@sransijakinjic9679]

@@kvnd7331 In an ideal world no, but the last time some country close to the US wished to host Soviet troops we nearly had nuclear apocalypse. That’s just a reality, which should be respected or else we have wars…

[@kvnd7331]

@@sransijakinjic9679 maybe if you are a Russian authoritarian/communist simp who wants to let them dictate what liberal and free countries are allowed to do

[@verynice5574]

@@kvnd7331 Perhaps Russia doesn't believe us when we tell them, "trust me bro our nuclear armed alliance is just for defense."

[@domrevigor5430]

Thank you for the work you do

[@GreylanderTV]

FACT CHECK: Elon did not donate $45M to the Trump campaign, nor "monthly" to a pro-Trump PAC, as is the more common rumor. Please keep in mind I agree with vast majority of what is said by Anne Applebaum.

[@dr.g3860]

She was relying on all the reporting in the news media; the Wall Street Journal first broke the story last week that he will donate about $45 million a month to a new super PAC supporting the election of former President Donald Trump. Nobody (except you) has yet denied the accuracy of the reporting.

[@todoz11]

He didn't, because he ended up backing down. He did say he would initially - not sure when this was recorded.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@todoz11 or cause you poeople misinterpreted something... again...

[@Cmez872]

@@wasdwasdedsf Trump was recorded at one of his rallies saying that Elon was donating 45M monthly. Oops!

[@brandonburns5365]

​@@Cmez872but that spoke on it as if he did

[@jayvincent1865]

Lifetime Appointments are unconstitutional. Redistricting is unconstitutional.A representative being financially indebted to foreign countries is unconstitutional.. So much for referring to the constitution..

[@dr.g3860]

For better or worse, those things are not unconstitutional if you actually look at the text of the constitution.

[@BMTroubleU]

In what part of the constitution are those issues specified?

[@SAFbikes]

How are lifetime appointments unconstitutional?? 😂😂😂

[@johnsnow661]

She makes some great points. My only issue is that I do not believe that Trump is unique in the dangers he presents. We are offered no alternative. Everything she says is wrong with the right is equally wrong with the left.

[@scottschwartz7647]

At least the left still is willing to peacefully transition power to the next elected President. That’s a pretty big distinction IMHO

[@brangrah1717]

It's remarkable that she doesn't realize this. They have destroyed academia, disgraced medicine, and weaponized the judiciary (at worst the legal corruption she 'exposes' is just fighting back)....these are some pretty important pillars.

[@PoliteNatureBoy]

You see no alternative because your life, as you know it, has not been threatened yet. When you see your comments being "disappeared" from KZbin, you'll know the threat is real.

[@willdon.1279]

False equivalency! No human enterprise is perfect, with dictators propaganda now blowing up our 10% failings, ignoring their 90% BAD! The broad "Left" is still hugely less threatening than the resurgent GOP/Right for ordinary people. I have spent a long life as a supporter/helper, and I've never met anyone who was not trying their best, working for long hours. (Most, in our opposition, Libs and one nation conservatives, were NOT bad people either)

[@stevemiller1345]

​​@@PoliteNatureBoyhuh, they already are... And with twitter. Wtf are you talking about. KZbin just banned all videos with gun advertising. They ban everything right leaning

[@petermchugh9748]

11:20 - I read that Hitler didn’t initially want a war with Britain, he was shocked when they declared war on Germany. Also, in 1940 after the fall of France he attempted peace talks with them, which were refused. Appreciate that his general strategy indicated massive expansion, and he attacked Britain’s allies, but to say “why couldn’t he just let England be England” isn’t quite right - He tried!

[@large_mango]

Yes he said he wanted peace, which was a completely cynical and political lie. Hitler anticipated and planned for war against GB from the beginning. He broke treaties and ravaged countries knowing that GB would have to declare war. And then German ships attacked GB ships first. He never expected or wanted peace with GB.

[@kenneth.topp.]

insane that sam let's anne say that the only logical reason to oppose the ukraine war is business interests in russia.

[@AlexFengCheung]

Yes. This is not a difference in opinions. This is simply a logical mistake. I don't know how she concludes that if you oppose the ukrain war, you must have business interest in Russia.

[@kenneth.topp.]

@@AlexFengCheung David Sacks has mentioned before the beltway is very protective of foreign policy from letting outsiders weigh in. With so many foreign lobbyists in DC I think it should be something more outsiders opine on

[@operandexpanse]

This conversation didn’t seem to be very honest or accurate in my opinion.

[@smok40]

@@AlexFengCheungYou are misrepresenting her views. This is not about „opposing war in Ukraine”, but about „stabbing the victim of aggression in the back” and „letting aggressive and antidemocratic Russia win”. And then a very logical question is why would that interest a Silicon Valley investor. You guys were just a few steps behind in following the logic, but I hope now you have caught up 😊

[@dagmusic4270]

​@@smok40 To be fair they didn't go into detail or speak in a very nuanced manner around that issue.

[@vandalcreed]

All im taking from this is that somehow democracy is a magical place where good guys live. Also, if the people want a dictatorship, isn't the democracy?

[@jonathanbuckenmyer4888]

"He only wants to be president to avoid going to jail" . Nice theory except he wasn't facing all these allegations until AFTER he decided to run.

[@dr.g3860]

That's not true, he had been facing the allegations for some time when he announced his candidacy almost 2 years ago, which was remarkably early, although it's true that the actual grand jury indictments didn't come down until the following year.

[@BooksForever]

Mueller report and Mueller himself indicated that but for the OLC memo (delaying indictment of a sitting president) Trump could’ve been indicted for obstruction right on the spot in the middle of his fist term in office.

[@Merriwether-w8k]

rape

[@jonathanbuckenmyer4888]

@dr.g3860 I'm talking about after he ran for the first time. Besides.. everyone knew he would run again before he announced it. The point remains that running for president increases the danger of going to jail or worse...getting shot.

[@RM-jb2bv]

@@dr.g3860quit lying, creep

[@richardobrien8041]

Thank you for your work. Two adults. Moving forward perhaps more explication of the experience of freedom and liberty. Perhaps examples the joys humanity provide and the threat of being deprived.

[@juanReflex37]

Excelent Sam Harris!!🎉

[@nicolasbascunan4013]

Bot

[@meolow1103]

Great stuff!

[@sransijakinjic9679]

How can anyone be certain that Ukraine is about securing that the Russian regime stays in power, rather than genuine concerns of having NATO missles on their border? Maybe both motivations are at play here, but it is not possible just to overlook one of them…

[@todoz11]

it's very obvious: 1. Russia already has NATO on its border, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia and now Finland all border Russia. This has been the case for 20 years, and was never a problem. NATO has never taken a remotely threatening position towards Russia in those 20 years. The only relevant time NATO has engaged in a non-defensive manner was to stop an ongoing genocide on European soil. 2. Ukraine wasn't even really gearing up to join NATO anyway, and the fallout of this war has worsened Russia's geostrategic position far more than allowing a fourth defensive alliance country on its border would have done.

[@sransijakinjic9679]

@@todoz11 just two things to think about: Ukraine, to Russia, is not the same as the mentioned countries, gheographically and historically - no invasion came via Finland or Estonia, but did via lands that are currently Ukraine. Second, when those countries joined Nato, Russia wasn’t really able to do anything about it, except to protest. Now, it thought it can do something. We can talk if they miscalculated or not, of course.

[@JustPaul357]

I wish everyone registered to vote would listen to this. Sam has the absolute best conversations, so thoughtful and measured.

[@LilacPledge]

The reason I love Sam is because he doesn’t consider Hamas freedom fighters and he doesn’t think that Alex Jones is a truth teller. People like that are not as loud as the radicals on both sides. So it seems that the world is made of the delusional extremes. But the world is made of people in between. It has to be, statistically. Common sense is still our center. We have to remember that and not be swayed by the psychotic voices that seem to be the only voices we hear. If we maintain that confidence, we are not as likely to be pushed by panic and fear off of our centrist platform, that’s still wide, into a mote of derangement on either side.

[@Astarkiller]

Alex jones has been right about much more news and research then Sam has. I hate Alex but facts are facts…not feelings 😢

[@SaviorMoney-777]

Alex Jones is right about A LOT of things. Sam - less so.

[@enknaran]

I agree that we should be level headed. However, centrism for centrism's sake is not the answer. At least not the centrism that many people think of online. There may be solutions to our problems that exist outside of the middle ground. We probably do need to increases taxes on the rich. We probably shouldn't take in all the refugees in the world.

[@enknaran]

@@Astarkiller Name an few instances where Alex was right but Sam was not? It should be easy seeing as how much more correct Alex has been

[@deadastronaut2440]

Pretty low bar

[@Science_Chad]

The talk of how the Ukraine war began is absolute revisionist history and blows the credibility on pretty much everything else in the conversation.

[@sransijakinjic9679]

Also, her saying that the US shouldn’t tolerate Russia invading its neighbour, without mentioning the precedents that the US set, just doesn’t come across as genuine.

[@Bronco541]

I dont think theres a recent apt anology here. But even if there is; that still doesnt make what russia is doing acceptable. This argument that keeps being repeated is idiotic. Like saying; "those people are committing torture, we must stop them!" "Yeah but we used to torture too" "oh okay, so let em do it..."????

[@da-be-ju]

@Bronco541 Exactly. This argument is idiotic - would the people using it praise the US if it said "We also invaded other countries, so Russia is good to go!" ?

[@sransijakinjic9679]

@@da-be-ju no, but I wouldn’t listen to a convicted unrepented murderer preaching how evil is to kill someone. I just saying it is naive to say that the US (or any other great power) is doing anyting out of ideal and principles, and that Russia is especially evil for doing the same thing the US did on multiple occassions. It just make the speaker come across as having disgenuine intentions and some agenda in mind.

[@brandonburns5365]

​@@da-be-juwhat you goof balls don't understand is we are still doing it. What do you think all these proxy wars are about

[@kenerickson8836]

Excellent!

[@dinges3518]

These accusations against people who support Trump and oppose the war in Ukraine are just ridiculous. Elon Musk is "radicalized", according to Harris. This podcast doesn't meet any intellectual standard.

[@Brandon-os3qr]

Make an actual logical or factual claim if you're going to complain. In what way is he wrong?

[@aftdel]

Because you are allowed to disagree and advocate against American support of war in Ukraine in good faith, without being accused of parroting “Putin talking points” or other meaningless nonsense. In a, you know, Democracy.

[@Brandon-os3qr]

@@aftdel did he say "anyone who opposes the war?" No, he did not. I'm trying to understand why so many people who clearly lack or don't care for nuance listen to a podcast from someone who's like...obsessively and sometimes frustratingly nuanced

[@aftdel]

@@Brandon-os3qr Not him. Her. Numerous times. And also on this podcast.

[@Siledas]

29:12 > RE: western isolationism 37:11 > RE: western provocations, and refusals for early peace opportunities 1:00:24 > RE: the repetion of lies, and the resultant "screening" of EVERYTHING

[@GlenKrog]

My god man, you may as well just interview Victoria Nuland. How is it possible for you to take exactly the wrong fork in the road?!

[@firasbouhamdan9917]

Victoria Nuland would be a great guest, what's the problem with her or Ann? :)

[@GodsOwnPrototype]

@@GlenKrog Seems to be a frequent ethnic tendency (#naXalt but Noticing)

[@emuccino]

Why wouldn't you want a Victoria Nuland interview?

[@joge2468]

@@GodsOwnPrototype Wow a new way to be antisemitic! You’re a champ.

[@GlenKrog]

@@firasbouhamdan9917 Are you kidding me? What echo chamber do you reside in? These people are the spiritual successor's of Madelaine Albright. Never has one woman been responsible for more death and suffering, and Nuland is following hot on her heels. Nuland and Lindsay Graham are two of the architects of this Ukraine war.

[@BarrySometimes]

I'm a paying subscriber to Sam's pod, yet I receive emails informing me of episode releases after I come across the YT release by accident 7 hours (at times 12 plus hours) after they're released on YT. Still haven't revived an email re' the release of this episode, for example.

[@razzgrizz3]

Sam is an example of one of the most extreme forms of tds virus in existence. The mental gymnastics and double standards employed during his atempts to excuse his behaviour and views is truly awe inspiring. I like to imagine his endless seething can produce the amounts of energy to power an entire nation. He should be studied and preserved!

[@RM-jb2bv]

He is the literal poster child

[@leebp9106]

Sachs would argue that his primary concern is the never ending spiralling debt burden and its impact on his investments. To not posit that seems too convenient. Not saying I am onside with his intentions but that’s his consistent statement on the topic

[@felixjohnston3402]

@@leebp9106 Sam would never bring David on, much less let him challenge Anne’s slander.

[@oasis71]

Why does Sam never invite someone who disagree with him?

[@Mort64562]

because it makes him uncomfortable and accuses the person of not "arguing in good faith"

[@clarkE111]

No

[@alibabaschultz352]

Lots of his guests have disagreed with him on many topics? Did you just get here?

[@wasdwasdedsf]

cause hes a ccoward

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@alibabaschultz352 what conservative trum person has he had a conversation with?

[@slangster233]

Business is autocratic. Religion is autocratic. Militarism is autocratic. How can governments be democratic with all that going on..

[@BooksForever]

They try.

[@toby9999]

By governments not getting involved in business or religion.

[@pdcdesign9632]

​@toby9999 what about women's reproductive rights? 😮😅

[@johnboettcher1962]

I’m not sure business is autocratic. I’m sure not all religions are.

[@Bat_Boy]

As a veteran, I loved the military way of life, and often wished, private business behaved in the same way (less individualistic, and self serving). Communism comport to do this, but has failed (imo). Perhaps society should view all these "isms", as a recipe of shifting amounts of ingredients and cook instructions (so to speak), to change over time...as the world changes, our recipe changes. We need to be nimble to change, just like private business. (And stop worshipping documents written 200+ years ago , as a ball and chain, to progress).

[@BestCosmologist]

This is one of the crazy ladies that spent a couple of years crying about "misinformation" on social media. It's hilarious to see her talking about free speech in dictatorships

[@dinges3518]

Exactly. The hypocrisy of those people, including Sam is insane. Gad Saad has always been right about Sam.

[@J.R.Y.]

@@dinges3518 Gad Saad is an attention-seeking goofball. He's totally captured by his right-wing audience.

[@codecodigo5461]

What specifically are you disagreeing with?

[@austingoyne3039]

Misinformation really is a problem on SM though. What did she say that was crazy?

[@blombidobadila8084]

@@dinges3518 Saad is a TrumpaNazi, how he keeps a job in an Academic institution is depressing.

[@carpenoctem7307]

All the more reason why Biden needs to drop out

[@Skibbityboo0580]

Never will happen in a million years

[@SaviorMoney-777]

@@Skibbityboo0580 😂

[@Unpossible8888]

@@Skibbityboo0580 And yet happens a day after you say it haha

[@Skibbityboo0580]

@@Unpossible8888 You're not good at counting.

[@felixjohnston3402]

What a shame Sam doesn’t challenge her David Sacks conspiracy theory. Maybe Glenn Beck can help her out?

[@dsokoll9184]

Thank you Sam, greet podcast as always

[@TimDeadmenVP]

Ah, Democracy! Channel throttled down, comments deleted. Feels great.

[@skovvy7]

🤣

[@BobbyJune]

You might not even see my comment as it seems I’m shadow banned.

[@TimDeadmenVP]

@@BobbyJune Everyone is, randomly and arbitrarily.

[@TimDeadmenVP]

@@SaviorMoney-777 Even a channel owner gets his comments deleted by the digital nanny sometimes. Pure bliss.

[@evanstein3011]

Anne Applebottom breathlessly hyperventilating about incipient authoritarianism again, lol

[@brian782]

Yes

[@ragged_claws_scuttling]

You know big words, but you’re utter shite as a writer and reek of smugness.

[@archstanton3430]

It truly is a cult. People with delusional views teaming up to confirm each other's delusional views.

[@anilyzerr]

great video

[@loweha69]

22:35 "This is how privatisation was done in the Thatcher era" It would be great to see the long term evidence for that.

[@mishugrig6832]

DA takes a shit on Trump's rights ... a technicality my lord .

[@quiet_please_in_the_back]

Did I miss the episode on how Biden currently as president and - still - as candidate for president is (as this epsiode posits "also") self-interested, self-serving, and continues to damage the US on a global scale. I can't even.

[@emerraldx]

see substack

[@nyworker]

Democracy is awesome when you have so many diverse groups as we do and we have seen tremendous in our country. The real problem has come to our country through the power of misinformation. When you constantly inform these groups that their failings are caused by the others, well, you start to feed a delusion. The clamoring discords eventually lead to the anger and frustration that leads to autocracy. In other words we go from democracy to information overload.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

I think its sort of self evident that having mamy diverse groups and various different interests actually complicates Democracy and makes it harder and more messy than it already inherently is. Doesn't mean I think we have any clear better option of that we should give up on it or something. I think we might be better off if we collectively consider and accept that running a successful, diverse Democracy is very hard

[@SuspendedLogic]

Do you realize how rich Nancy Pelosi has made herself as a "public servant" ? It's funny how this will get ignored because she is essentially the same personality type and vibe as Anne Applebaum.

[@twntwrs]

Spot on and AOC is her understudy.

[@SuspendedLogic]

@@twntwrs Anne is so worried about a hypothetical kleptocracy and weaponization of the court system which hypothetically might happen, but literally doesn’t care at all that it’s happening now under Biden.

[@Brandon-os3qr]

Anyone who claims that this is a phenomenon on only one side is not being honest with themselves. Most politicians on both sides are getting rich off of this, which is why none do anything to impede upon it

[@JackSchitt-p9t]

@@SuspendedLogic Her team is benefitting from the double standard, so she likes it. These people are all shameless liars.

[@SuspendedLogic]

@@JackSchitt-p9tI agree. Such a hypocrite; fear mongering about a hypothetical kleptocracy and weaponization of the courts under Trump, while simultaneously ignoring and encouraging it happening right now under Joe Biden.

[@nevets9811]

I'm not really sure what I'm missing about Trump that should lead me to believe that his intentions are always just either something negative, as Sam appears to consistently claim (i.e., that he's motivated by power, greed, fame, or that he doesn't actually care about any issues or even America) or that he's wanting to be a dictator of some sort, which many also keep confidently stating. I mean, I'm not saying the idea isn't POSSIBLE, but why be so confident about it (please no one respond simply with a quip about TDS)? It seems possible that these pre-established presumptions may have the tendency to unfairly paint how you perceive anything else about the man. Is it just because you think he sounds disingenuous when he speaks? A gut feeling? His showy lifestyle? His arrogant and braggadocious way of speaking? At most, for me, all of that just comes off as if he's kinda a classless blowhard. But that doesn't necessarily imply to me that he's any of these other things.

[@jackgoodall5818]

the claims of him being a dictator come from him attempting to not handing over his presidency on january 6th I believe.

[@mwaringmlw]

Well, you're never going to get an answer from Sam. But Sam has no basis to get past the solipsism of Descartes when he refused to believe anything he couldn't understand. Having faith that "you don't need faith" is the circle he's on. Trump supporters, the "Far" right, anyone religious or reminding him of religiosity per-se, make him viciously closed... he's been done with God so long that he has to fumble in the dark for morality that there is absolutely no grounding for. Trump makes him very nervous because he has to face the utter unlikeliness of Trump and, by extension, the whole world's order; a world he can't even be sure exists at all.

[@hokiturmix]

There is a guy called Gergely Karácsony. The mayor of Budapest - Hungary. Ha admit that he won't run to be Prime minister. He didn't say it directly but his reason is that he can not talk to the "stupid". He can talk to other politicians and "smart" people. To win you need to be able to talk to the stupid. I had an assumption of a guy who can run companies should be a fine leader to a country. Guys like Trump and Viktor Orban proved me wrong. But. Viktor Orban is the real deal. Trump is just a rich clown who somehow guided by "luck". Viktor Orban actually knows how to manipulate the system but he was liberal. Until he came to power. Since then he changed the narrative. I dont believe any of them is evil. But both of them will say whatever you want to hear. At least lots of the followers of Orbans are know who the guy is. Yet they still vote for him. An interview on a "private" liberal media with a FIDESZ (party of orban's) representative. He said that much. People knows who the guy is yet vote for him. That is the question should be asked by the "left". Why people still voting for the bad guy? ofc there are the blind followers too. Also the weak needs a loud "strong" leader to feel empowered. The mirror neurons make the leader's success felt like it is yours. Try to focus on project 2025. Trump saying that he does not know what that is but still he is in opposition? Most of the people behind the project was related to trump's administration.... This suggest to me Trump knows EXACTLY how dictatorial his future is. If i start to choke you with full force, then you will resist. If I slowly increase the grip you won't notice the problem. I can imagine the people who thinks that the "common sense" is the highest reasoning will vote for Trump. Trump makes sense in the common sense but he is utterly nonsense once the "Scientific Method" is applied on them.

[@mikerobinson7206]

Well, for one, Trump consistently has positive words for the autocrats of the world (he took Putin's word that there was no election meddling, versus the cautionary words of our own intelligence agencies). He praised China's president for making himself president for life, before saying "Maybe we should try that here." And more recently, he said that he wants to be "dictator for day one", to undo everything Biden supposedly did. These comments should understandably make any thinking person nervous about his proclivities. And he's made an entire career out of self-interest: he brands everything with his name. Hell, he took advantage of the recent assassination attempt to make a limited line of $300 "assassination sneakers". No joke. The guy is America's walking id. How you could ever imagine, based on his entire history in the public eye, that he's out for anyone or anything other than himself or his personal brand, is beyond me.

[@heatherlewis9951]

Do you think Trump cares about diverse opinions in his circle, or blind loyalty?

[@nicolasbascunan4013]

The bots praising are promoted and the critical and real ones are deleted. Truly dystopian.

[@emuccino]

Really? I see many critical comments, like yours, for example.

[@nicolasbascunan4013]

@@emuccino It clearly wasn't the first hours.

[@Traderhood]

If that was the case you would be deleted.

[@wadetisthammer3612]

14:18 to 15:42 - Interesting reason for Russia to invade Ukraine. 29:11 to 36:55 - Why should Americans care about Ukraine? 49:01 to 55:05 - How democracies fall.

[@Kevn1215]

My comments keep getting deleted and that’s deeply concerning.

[@tex959]

KZbin is responsible. All channels are experiencing this, not just Sam's

[@Fomites]

I had a nasty notice from KZbin today asserting that I wrote 'hate speech'. I have no idea what it was that I wrote that caused this reaction, unless someone has taken umbrage at my criticism of Islam (which is just that - criticism of Islam, not Muslims). We MUST be able to criticise bad ideas if we are to thrive.

[@PoliteNatureBoy]

You're scratching your head about your comments being deleted, I'm scratching my head about my comments being deleted. Whoever is pulling the strings of social media is deliberately trying to keep the American public confused.

[@PoliteNatureBoy]

Confusion is the goal.

[@tex959]

@@Fomites Yeah, KZbin is getting ridiculous.

[@everythingandmore5537]

At minute 38:00 she says Nato doesn't go to non Nato countries. Here is the truth. Yes, NATO was involved in the following conflicts: 1. **Libya (2011)**: NATO conducted a military intervention in Libya under Operation Unified Protector. The intervention was aimed at enforcing a UN-mandated no-fly zone and protecting civilians during the Libyan Civil War, which contributed to the eventual ousting of Muammar Gaddafi. 2. **Afghanistan (2001-2021)**: NATO led the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan, starting in 2001. The mission aimed to dismantle al-Qaeda, remove the Taliban from power, and assist in the stabilization and rebuilding of Afghanistan. The mission transitioned to the Resolute Support Mission (RSM) in 2015, focusing on training and advising Afghan security forces until NATO's withdrawal in 2021. 3. **Iraq (2004-2011)**: NATO was involved in Iraq with the NATO Training Mission-Iraq (NTM-I), which began in 2004. The mission focused on training and advising Iraqi security forces. NATO's role in Iraq was more limited compared to its operations in Afghanistan and Libya.

[@firasbouhamdan9917]

Yes, they should have only mentioned that Russia wasn't worried about NATO given that it took troops away from Finland to send them to Ukraine.

[@everythingandmore5537]

@@firasbouhamdan9917 Russia is worried about NATO as Moscow is close to the Nato countries.

[@firasbouhamdan9917]

@@everythingandmore5537 given that they took troops away from the border with Finland suggests that they're not worried about that:) Their problem with NATO is that NATO makes it difficult for them to attack the countries they want to attack:)

[@everythingandmore5537]

@firasbouhamdan9917 Russia is only concerned about countries near its borders. The US is concerned about Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan, etc. These countries are far away from US borders. Why? Who is at fault?

[@firasbouhamdan9917]

@@everythingandmore5537 russia isn't concerned about countries near its borders, it just wants to occupy them:) The US is in NATO, Ukraine is a country near NATO :)

[@jqyhlmnp]

this video was uploaded in 1 minute and already smut bots are praising everything 🤮

[@Chris-fn4df]

And you are already letting strangers and bots get under your skin. Mindfulness working for you yet?

[@asraarradon4115]

Welcome to KZbin. lol

[@paaaaaaaaq]

You know it when you see account avatar with sexy lady on it.

[@paaaaaaaaq]

And the bot messages are not deleted but real ones are. Good job YT.

[@twntwrs]

@@jqyhlmnp And Sam loves it - the real reason he got off twitter where he was getting nothing but pushback.

[@SuspendedLogic]

Autocracy Inc... without reading it I assume it's about the Twitter files?

[@enknaran]

Why make assumptions instead of reading or googling?

[@felixjohnston3402]

@@SuspendedLogic Anne fully supports putting people in prison for incorrect opinions. She has no problem with Germany or the Czech Republic jailing Russia supporters for instance. Hypocrisy.

[@arnoldlueders7500]

Take note how when she's talking about problems that are politically motivated, she does not bring up any of the Obama appointed judges that have ruled obviously against the Constitution simply because they are politically motivated. To her she doesn't even see it. She literally doesn't even see it as a problem. Only on the right. Does she see things.

[@urikachannel]

Correct, it doesn’t fit her narrative but she is certainly aware of it 😊

[@tssmith1701]

Applebaum talks about Judge Canon but doesn’t mention Robert Hur, Judge Merchan or Alvin Bragg. She talks about Kleptocracy and graft and only mentions Trump and not the Biden family. They talk about Orwell and the erosion of institutions but don’t bring up the part the press (of which she is part) plays in that erosion of trust and confidence. It was laughable listening to how one sided this conversation was.

[@oldrichkosacka5522]

Yes, she is so one sided that is is commical.

[@bigjohnboy5707]

I love Sam Harris and I really go out of my way to listen to both sides in our culture. But I just turned it off when his guest said “anyone else would be in jail” over the classified documents case that was thrown out. Biden was under the same investigation for the same reason and his case was dismissed also. SO frustrating that even the smartest voices have such massive blind spots.

[@davegold]

I'm pretty sure you've heard the response from other side in your culture: Biden and Pence returned missing documents but Trump deliberately hid the documents and lied about them. That is the difference that results in prosection. I'm assuming you're a smart person so I don't know why you have a blind spot on that.

[@dhyatt1080]

Absolutely not...the 2 cases are vastly different in several ways, including in how it was obtained, shared, and most importantly, how each responded when official requests were made to return the documents.

[@bigjohnboy5707]

Fair. But either one of them could have articulated the comparison but instead it never gets mentioned. Just a moan underscoring how awful Trump is…

[@RM-jb2bv]

@@dhyatt1080Yes they WERE different. Trump had privilege. Biden did not. Luckily he was too feeble to be prosecuted. Let’s..😂…. let’s see the tapes that they won’t Ever release 😂😂😂

[@RM-jb2bv]

@@davegoldif 2 people rob different banks, does one guy get off scot-free is they give the money back after they are caught. Try again, boner.

[@davidrubin6055]

"There is an informal alliance of autocracies worldwide that seeks to undermine liberal democracies by indirect means." What a blazingly original thesis that absolutely no one has been remarking on or writing about for the past half decade. A truly visionary mind, Anne Applebaum.

[@realblackmilky]

Love this guy

[@dougiejones628]

Sam Harris for VP. Call the campaign Harris/Harris

[@kingclover1395]

I never did think that Trump is fit to be President, and I still don't. But when I hear these two people here talking about weaponized government and ideological institutions and political violence and people being afraid to speak their minds, it sounds more like how people feel about the Left than the far Right, although it applies to both sides. We've already had a full term of Trump and none of those bad things that they predict happened, but meanwhile, what has happened in the country under Biden is truly horrifying to me. And I don't want more of it.

[@thunkjunk]

I remember how against Trump I was in the last 8 years clearly. But when I managed to get myself outside of the MSNBC bubble and move to more independent media, the Left is obviously the greater evil. I read that book by Timothy Snyder called "On Tyranny" back in 2016 and in it Trump was alluded to. However, over the past several years with Biden, looking into the Left's Postmodernism, DEI, Anti-Racism, etc., the Left and the values of the Democratic party being demonstrated more closely resemble Snyder's lessons on Tyranny than does Trump of the Republican party.

[@davidfayfield6594]

Biden doesn’t horrify me, but he shouldn’t run again that’s for certain. Trump is an amoral wanna be dictator. It’s a frightening situation we are in.

[@PoliteNatureBoy]

Have you actually traveled the country to visually see what's happening to it or have you just watched how media has presented it to you in the comfort of your home?

[@Merriwether-w8k]

They said Trump would get rid of Roe and that's exactly what happened - you are not intelligent

[@thunkjunk]

@@PoliteNatureBoy Do you believe in God?

[@dtacherra6063]

Just here for comments not listening to these two for an hour

[@aarondavid826]

wow, you need a girl mate.

[@dtacherra6063]

@aarondavid826 why? Im already your wife's boyfriend.

[@the_derpler]

When she talks about Russia just invading smaller countries whenever it likes it falls flat for us mostly because we watched the US do the same thing to multiple countries over the last few decades.

[@smok40]

If course. How many foreign lands have the USA annexed and occupied permanently and how many nations do the US politicians and media claim should be exterminated?

[@amitkerai4880]

A third of Syria has been annexed so a delware based oil company can steal their oil. Also all the military bases and NATO expansion​@@smok40

[@johannhamann681]

@@smok40 Kill the Messenger Why Palestine radio and TV studios are fair targets in the Palestine/Israeli war. That is written by Anne herself. lol USA annexed Hawaii and Texas and occupies half of the world. Just look for the map of US military bases around the world.

[@sransijakinjic9679]

@@smok40what difference does it make? How many people died in Iraq and Afghanistan? Millions… That alone makes the US totally inadeqate to criticize anyone.

[@smok40]

@@sransijakinjic9679 of course it matters, because intentions matter. And among the millions, how many were killed by the US and how many by the infighting? This is the completely false equivalence, although USA was also wrong to invade Iraq, at least it didn’t try to wipe out the Iraqi nation.

[@chickensguys]

It's so disqualifying to suggest that David Sacks has business interests therefore he cares about Ukraine. Here is an idea, maybe being anti war is the interest. Just like everyone else, who think these foreign war sucks.

[@dsfsdffgdfg2353]

Thanks for conversation Sam!

[@aaazzi]

Interview david sacks

[@archstanton3430]

He would never. If anyone disagrees with Sam, it's because they're a whacko, and they're "beneath him".

[@krisstapleton196]

Anne is so full of it. "David Sacks and Elon Musk must have business with Russia" also "I have no evidence to support this." FTR I believe we should assist Ukraine (not endlessly and defensively only) but Anne shouldn't make completely unfounded accusations. It affects her credibility.

[@Danskadreng]

Yes, and then she claims to know what Trump is thinking. It's such a simplistic approach to politics.

[@twntwrs]

@@Danskadreng Very much in line with Harris's approach who thinks Gaza is all about islam.

[@Arphemius]

@@twntwrs That is true though, and no mind reading is required, they will tell you.

[@twntwrs]

@@Arphemius No less true, then, that it's all about Zionism, and no mind reading is required, they will tell you. And *that* Harris is ok with.

[@twntwrs]

@@Arphemius No less true, then, that it's all about Zi on ism (my previous post which was identical was deleted by KZbin, wonder why) and no mind reading is required, they will tell you. And *that* Harris is ok with.

[@brucegregson621]

Atlantic and the Washington post. Do tell

[@wamingo]

As opposed to real media with journalistic integrity like RT and Sputnik, right?

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

​@@wamingo what if I told you I don't trust anything from RT or Russian media AND have concerns about the US media?

[@BradSamuelsPro]

22:30 this is a completely nonsensical talking point. How is property that was once owned by every citizen supposed to be legitimately transferred to a few without corruption?

[@AH-wr1ir]

Every Russian citizen was given shares (ownership) of the undervalued state assets. Most Russians were so poor they sold them immediately for cash and larger blocks of shares were collected by agents who then sold them to oligarchs and other investors.

[@chickenfishhybrid44]

​@@AH-wr1irthis is basically what I've understood as well.

[@BradSamuelsPro]

@AH-wr1ir so the people who were already wealthy, through mechanisms that were inherently corrupt within the Soviet Union, were the exact people allowed to get wealthy during privatization enabled by Western financial institutions. How did they think that would work out?

[@AH-wr1ir]

@@BradSamuelsPro I agree with you on both your comments and was just adding some explanation of how it happened.

[@johannhamann681]

@@BradSamuelsPro It was not enabled by Western financial institutions it was dictated by Western institutions. Those corrupt schemes were invented in USA and forced on Russia. During Yelcin era USA "advisors" practicaly ruled the Russia.

[@seantewillis]

I can't say enough bad things about this conversation. Rich middle class people cherry-picking information to support the current status quo. This conversation is just gross. "America, the home of democracy", Ms Applesauce lost all her credibility right there.

[@johncarter1150]

Maybe it's just easier for you to believe the lies that you want to be told?

[@seantewillis]

@@johncarter1150 You said it better then I did dude.

[@deborahfreedman333]

Indeed. The US may have been the first truly democratic country, in modern times, but the ideas behind our democracy come from the ancients and British conservatives, like Locke.

[@seantewillis]

@@deborahfreedman333 I appreciate your insight. I think my take was the word "home" implying someone/thing lives there..

[@hinahinananoha7783]

Is being rich or middle class wrong somehow?😮

[@skippybe]

Too important to hide behind a paywall…

[@cathyray6030]

Some might say that the two of you are describing the left and left leaning press...

[@kenknight8740]

Good tds infomercial!

[@BubbaF0wpend]

Those with Biden Derangement Syndrome like yourself often try and project TDS onto others like this.

[@cathyray6030]

Both sides, the left and right, have gone too far... I have no-one to vote for...

[@SummitBidTech]

@@cathyray6030 there is no equivalence

[@chrisgord21]

The far left has no power in the senate. The far right has taken over the senate, both ideologies might be silly but they simply don’t have the same power in real life politics. Calling them similar is a false equivalence given one doesn’t believe in democracy

[@thunkjunk]

Which is the greater or lesser evil to you?

[@samdg1234]

How have the right gone too far?

[@willdon.1279]

@cathy - that's what all dictators, real and would be, tell you. "They are all the same, I alone can fix it - so you won't need to vote...(for anyone else)" NO! Nobody has all the answers, can fix everything. The "Almighty" is not on the ballot, but democracy IS. If the Dems get in, and make a mess of it, you WILL be able to vote them out. He's told you plainly, ONLY an election HE wins is acceptable!

[@anthonyofarrell]

Great book by .ECE TEMELKURAN. How to lose a country. it's a must read.

[@Traderhood]

Trumpers in the comments are exploding. Oh, Sam, TDS this TDS that. 😂

[@synthesizerneil]

Good thing we can count on loyal Sam Harris sycophants like yourself to give us that awe-inspiring intellgent counter arguments. I mean you called them Trumpers - no way they can come back from a take down like that.