How DID Android 17 Get SO Strong in Dragon Ball Super?

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[@omariwashington2570]

Wait that means that those cell Juniors might now be stronger than the original cell, which is funny to think about😂

[@frogsaup]

Theyve probably trained as well, anywhere

[@The_ender_guy1]

Ha cell wanted to be perfect but his kids became more perfect then even he did and he calls them mindless shits

[@user-zx6kr8ql3h]

I believe and cell is my favorite villain on z

[@firechargeogname]

​@@The_ender_guy1did he really call them mindless?

[@Yoriichi964]

Every cell juniors are ssj2 level powerful

[@djsoundwave5344]

Bro that cell junior was like "my bad bro"

[@Movin2DBiit]

"Same time next week?,"

[@ethanyates7943]

I just think that maybe 17 grows at a higher rate than regular humans

[@nickthebear4635]

He is part android after all, you know?

[@hoddtoward2623]

not part android, he is an android​@@nickthebear4635

[@cloudvang1697]

Not to mention infinite energy so he's able to always attack at 100%

[@gamingememems]

The manga made more sense where he's on par with ssj3 goku

[@Big_Boss663]

Goku is not a human

[@hanshirt2953]

Everyone also forget his infinite energy. If you learn to harness that infinity, all he has to do is manage the output so that you don't destroy yourself.

[@bamboteevee]

Wat r u talkin bout 😂

[@isaacbatgamer9958]

​@@bamboteeveeyk the literal unlimited energy the androids posses?

[@nathanalexandre9043]

​@@isaacbatgamer9958Still ran out of energy against piccolo 😊

[@anismeziadi4564]

Infinite stamina not power you just never get tired . If you had Infinite stamina irl you still would be packed up by mike tyson in a fight

[@fandhanorman1231]

@@anismeziadi4564 the one with infinite energy is 18

[@piratekingreq3661]

I’d still like to believe it was like that WoW South Park episode where they farmed level 1 boar to get super overpowered

[@bensoncheung2801]

42 👍.

[@Icyy_gmd]

LMAOOO I remember that

[@samrich4082]

Live to win

[@flynvascense9405]

I'm just thinking about it. They have the DNA of Frieza and the Saiyans, so it is actually pretty believable that they could have kept him up to snuff on his power level.

[@boneman9751]

Honestly yeah. Those cell juniors might actually be better team mates in the TOP than the humans💀

[@manricman32]

​@boneman9751 physically maybe... but how are the z fighters gonna communicate with them???

[@boneman9751]

@@manricman32 same way 17 did I guess💀

[@flynvascense9405]

@@manricman32 I mean if they can learn to communicate with the z-fighters. I don't think that's going to be an issue.

[@alimedlej7392]

​@@flynvascense9405 nah they can talk normally but with a sound that sounds that they're saying some random stuff

[@socialaccount0000]

Gohan only bisected the Cell Juniors, he didnt go out of his way to incinerate them. Its totally plausible for the Cell JRs to have survived and hid after the death of Cell

[@zacharyzamora6885]

But I literally saw them explode when he did that unless I’m remembering it wrong

[@CoolFennekin]

​@@zacharyzamora6885 that's what happened in the anime... In the manga... No...

[@firechargeogname]

​@@CoolFennekinit didn't?

[@CoolFennekin]

@@firechargeogname Maybe they did in the manga but I'm not sure... Didn't happen the exact same way as the anime if so.

[@JordanRahul]

Well cell survived off one single cell so it's possible they can too

[@dsm2417]

Bro when those cell jrs grow up…they’ll be op af💀

I don't think they can. They are the same size since cell games

[@zizotubegaming8733]

Even if that, He would at most be comparable to Super Saiyan 3 Goku from Buu Arc..... Not Blue Goku 😅

[@crazyxman6583]

Agreed

[@Ex1stingRn]

Ay so the manga was better when showing 17 fight goku

[@inameku]

Looks like the manga agrees with you Super Manga > Super Anime

[@orbboom6119]

Yeah either SS2 or SS3 level would make sense

[@animespirits]

I suppose the argument could be made. Cell juniors with all the abilities of cell, and his genetic potential for zenkai boost, power growth and healing(aka sayins,frieza and piccolo) being essentially training partners with 17, for 10 years should theoretically grant the cells jr all a significant power boost. And 17 tamed all of them, meaning he could take them all on at once and win. Add that with 17s infinite energy and thise fights would go on until the Cell Jr are completely exhausted.

[@C_For-]

Well being an Android maybe boosted he's potential. Plus the fact that the Cell Jrs may have the potential of their father which made them get much stronger while training with 17

[@runeuchihawhatifsandgaming3783]

makes sense, if cell juniors have anywhere near as much potential as cell possibly had, then android 17 would be training with overpowered cell jrs

[@NexalZita]

Personally if i was 17 i keep training my ass off after that Cell shit

[@geekforeverpixelgamingsurl5007]

Even if that is the explanation (which I guess it is in the manga), not only is it very debatable that it was enough training for 17 to reach that level but… we don’t even get to see this in the anime, therefore the anime timeline has no explanation.

[@omariwashington2570]

Well isn't that a later manga panel anyway which means that it wasn't yet made in the anime?

[@geekforeverpixelgamingsurl5007]

@@omariwashington2570 Yes, it was. But the problem stays the same. Also a shame it was a late manga thing because we all would have rather see this animated as filler instead of the alien poacher episode.

[@user-ct7ix8nz1w]

Well, in the manga 17 wasn't SSB lvl

[@lawless7512]

Counter agurement, 17 has infinite energy, cell Jr are probaldy getting stronger with each training. Now think of it as game if you have don't need sleep and let's pretend the cell Jr's don't get stronger and say they are level 20. At first you'll get stronger let's say 17 is level 17 at first. Of course you start by getting good amount of exp. No when he's past their level he the exp is less. But since he doesn't need sleep or food, he's can grind the whole day, while protecting the park, from poachers. It will be slow but for 10 years and to catch up to level 130 with infinite energy you proably can do that

[@LegendarySuperSaiyanGod]

Not Super Saiyan Blue Goku level but Super Saiyan 3 Goku level

[@plewisjr90]

He seemed above 3, but below God level to me based off their fight in the manga when 17 was about to throw that blast at him and goku freaked out and went out his way to let him know that he was goku. But who knows for sure what his max lvl was in the manga?

[@8ballorca799]

I always just thought he'd been doing nothing but push ups for 10 years 😂

[@luigiman64]

nah he did with sit ups squats and a 10 kilometer run

[@8ballorca799]

@@luigiman64 😂😂😂

[@shawnrobinson8390]

and a lot juice

[@supershadow8201]

This has nothing to do with the video but i just like 17 and the fact the he became a park ranger and I feel like it’s great way to honor 16

[@justaguylyingontheroad]

Those juniors definitely doesnt wanna meet ssj2 gohan or else...

[@lyricmammal3724]

Cell Juniors are the perfect training partners

[@peckingorder6064]

The Cell Juniors would’ve wiped the floor with 17. The fact that the Cell Juniors exist AT ALL is such a cop out like “Hey theres a whole bunch of Ki signatures that feel strangely familiar to Cell coming from that direction, should we check it out?” “Hmmmmmmm nah.”

[@firechargeogname]

What does this comment mean?

[@peckingorder6064]

@@firechargeogname The Cell Juniors don’t make sense because the Z Fighters would have known they were on the island and eliminated them. They’re bio droids, aren’t they?

[@firechargeogname]

@@peckingorder6064 if they known they would have just eliminated them basically one shot so

[@peckingorder6064]

@@firechargeogname Yeah. But they SHOULD have known. The Cell Juniors being there AT ALL is bad writing.

[@firechargeogname]

@@peckingorder6064 if the cell juniors were not there Goten and trunks would have a normal day

[@gabrielgmx5269]

I guess the Cell Jrs work the same as Cell, so... I guess fighting small enemies with Frieza's ability to upgrade, Saiyan senkai, and Picoolo's regeneration for 10 years... Yeah, it definitely makes sense

[@OneColdRepublican]

If he's constantly battling and surviving a place called 'Monster Island' id automatically assumed he's pretty strong now.

[@tokenpenguinanimation4765]

I can believe they're the originals. Gohan didn't make destroy their cores & left single cells that would have grown back over time.

[@DemlogYT]

They are alive?! Wow what a fun fact 😂

[@CutWat]

they didnt show this in the anime because of the amount of detail on cell juniors

[@brasenwollert2455]

Bro has an army!

[@Nutleaf420]

You gotta remember. These guys have like infinite stamina and cells love to fight. They probably battled a LOT

[@treylester5361]

I also like what was implied by I think Toriyama, or maybe just a producer, that since 17 is an artificial human, he still has the limitless potential growth that a human does and just uses his infite energy reserves to keep training endlessly

[@ShmeengusDingus]

Before we got this chapter I always wanted a Cell Jr to return and mature with a vendetta against Gohan. A similar dynamic to Piccolo and Goku. But this is okay too

[@eugenekrabs2403]

Since 17 knew about the Cell Juniors & basically trained with them, then why didn't he get one of them to join the team for the TOP & act as a replacement for Majin Buu?

[@KOS_Eonflash]

They aren't that smart, or probably isn't powerful enough

[@pikachugamer211thegamer]

"I am pretty curious to know about how Android 17 got so strong. I figured he just grinded poa-CELL JUNIORS????"

[@HappyGangy]

I wanna see those mf cell juniors grow up with Goten and Trunks thatd be lit

[@HappyGangy]

Or have one that really bonds with the 2 and he becomes part of the story

[@Benji_Jokjo]

after gohan brutally murdered cells kids… they magically survive… and are somehow strong enough to bring 17 up to blue goku lvl…. even tho they lost to a ssj2 gohan…………

[@OnlySayori]

i mean...dragon ball never made much sense, theres no reason to complain about it now

[@Benji_Jokjo]

@@OnlySayori super doesn’t…. Z kinds does, just had a few plot holes but it was fine and made more sense then super lool-

[@Andrew-ve9ls]

no, toriyama just needed 1 more person for the plot, in comes the ass pull that is DBS 17

[@DerektheDalek]

Mildly terrifying that we have a possibility of seven Cell Jrs growing up at some point into full Cells with all his power and potential. Granted that by Super a fair number of Z Warriors could deal with them if they got bad but one alone could be a major danger to Earth if they broke bad at the wrong time. 😅

[@UVConverge]

And remember 17 I’d not full Android, he still has some human, which means he still has the potential to grow in power and ki usage to increase his power, which is cool

[@jbear9]

In theory the cell jrs have saiyan namekian and frieza dna so there's no reason they couldn't get stronger along with 17. They could also theoretically achieve some sort of higher forms due to their genetic makeup. They could potentially become some kind of amalgam super saiyan blue black frieza orange piccolo. While unlikely it would be entirely probable that they have achieved some level much higher than when they fought in the cell games. Who knows what power they possess but it is quite plausible that they are incredibly strong.

[@sidestep5435]

I do hope they do something with the cell jrs like making them all fuse into one in some effort to stop a threat or maybe they get reprogrammed and fuse into the next threat

[@sammuelrochacavalcante7298]

The next one could be regional battle royale with the regional variants and the original version of said pokemon the only problem is that this comcept could bring alot of mirror matches

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

Its 7x Perfect Cell training for few years on end, pretty reasonable power creep

[@DivineBeingOfJustice]

and with the potential of frieza and gohan they are also growing insanely quickly

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

@@DivineBeingOfJustice we're still talking 'bout 17, right?

[@DivineBeingOfJustice]

@@mr.knightthedetective7435 im talking bout the cell jrs

[@mr.knightthedetective7435]

@@DivineBeingOfJustice And I was talking about 17's power progression thanks to Cell Jr. "taming"

[@Regina-ys4ct]

Something to consider is how potential affects people’s base power. 17 never trained to be as strong as he was, that became his base power. Therefore, by training from that improved base power made his rise to power much more impressive. IIRC, Vegeta scolds Cell (Semi-Perfect) for not training, saying he wouldn’t be beaten if he trained rather than eating humans. We could see it like how Freeza was 120m power level with no training and just a few months made him as strong as Goku.

[@Servalc_kenshin]

Well it kinda makes sense in a way, a lot of characters in the show grow powerful at insane rates like frieza and gohan so ig its not too crazy honestly

[@3fua145]

The manga makes it more believable by 17 being equal to ssj3 instead and getting overpowered by the divine power ups

[@saintsinningsword]

I thought this was from fan made what-if manga than something official.

[@daltont8373]

It would kind of make sense if you thought about it because we know that cell has part of freezes DNA along with Goku and all the other great Warriors in the universe, which would mean he would be able to grow at the same rate if not faster than freezer and we know the soul juniors with the same power as cell so if you think about it, it is possible for him to have grown that much from training with cell juniors

[@sattrixter1116]

ngl, taming those cell juniors is broken if you think about it. They'd have the potential to become EVEN STRONGER than cell at the end of cell games saga, where he regenerated himself to live. Having those cell juniors will help protect earth whenever gokus not around, though safe to say that they'd only hold the enemy back for a little.. Guys like Moro are not possible for them 😭

[@Nihandel]

I think they went for the old "random bullshit go"

[@OnlySayori]

all of dragon ball in someway is just bullshit..

[@darksaiyan3726]

17 looks cool with a gun

[@Teamo86]

I have been looking for a new training method. Thank god there's a primary school right around where I live. 🥊

[@seru.89]

Fighting solar system level characters for 10 years who also would have gotten stronger would definitely make you super strong. Let’s not forget what frieza did by himself for 10 years

I like how the manga defined 17's power level as ssj3. Think with me, more than perfect cell was ssj2 level, the cell jr should be the same considering they also exploded. Them they keep fighting, and they were a bunch of them. 17 would need to be ssj3 to survive that

[@nitroblaze6696]

I'm gonna assume those cell jrs still have their saiyan dna which means Android 17 could just keep training with then and it would give those cell jrs zenkai boosts and since 17 has infinite energy he can train as long as he wants

[@xXpacocapXx]

To be fair, they have unlimited energy. Probably he just needed to train his body to adapt and get used to higher levels of energy

[@chimmyinfernape9189]

I mean it makes sense they would be reborn. In dbz the wish at the end of the cell saga was to bring back all of the good people right. They were technically organic like cell and unlike him were just born and obeyed their orders so technically that’s good I guess

[@HIFOON7272]

We need a good cell😭🙏🏾

[@Kioken_Gokux3]

at least these cell jrs might not go to hell

[@quandaledingle4170]

It was still just a asspull character for top despite the fact he definitely had the best fights

[@NinPossible]

The power level in Dragon Ball is so broken that I'll just enjoy the show and don't think about it too much. 😅

[@Txylos-4]

You also can’t forget, Cell and the Cell Jr have the ability to Zenkai boost themselves in near death. It makes sense but idk I’m just a cell fan.

[@genxvictor1805]

Wished goten and trunks asked why they stopped, then for them to ask the bluey jrs if they wanna keep going

[@aaronvoxous7806]

Each one is almost as powerful as Cell so yes, that makes perfect sense now.

[@gelidgenteel]

Cell Jrs have saiyan cells, meaning they get stronger every time 17 defeated them without killing. meaning every single fight, 17 was fighting an army of Zenkai boosted Cells, that stacked even higher the next time they showed up. to be strong enough to beat them down into submission and "tame" them, means he had to be significantly stronger than them. since cell had the ability to go "more perfect" which was his equivalent to SS2, its safe to assume these mini perfect cells ALSO could do this. with enough Zenkai boosts theyd be stronger than SS3 with just one alone, so to take them ALL on at once hed have to be stronger than SS3 by multitudes so yes, him being on par with SSB does make sense

[@akumautsu]

Its funny to think cell technically still lives through the cell jrs

[@Zminator1986]

I always assumed that the infinite engine in their bodies dramatically increases their power depending on the level of training.

[@parkergjerstad8381]

Whats the name of this bonus chapter so i can find it

[@travisroach8847]

The androids were made to be more powerful than humans and to be able to get stronger faster than average, combine that with training with a ton of cell juniors which have the same dna as cell meaning that they also are constantly getting stronger and can get zenkai boosts as well as eventually obtain a super form like cell did. I can could see him becoming one of the strongest in the series, especially since he had been training with them for what, 10 years? Those cell juniors probably dwarf the original perfect cell in his super form while they’re in their base forms

[@Pragyey-2007]

Bro knight of the wind from sonic and the black knight and live and learn from SA2 are in my opinion the greatest piece of art mankind has created ever!! I don't know what crush 40 was cokking but god dammit I love it so much man

[@dre23noodlman]

I’m so happy when I was little I cried when one of the cell jrs tried to run and got mutilated from gohan I think that’s why I’d int like him

[@subhodevchakraborty7502]

As you said it is a treasure

[@RaphBlade7]

Your ignoring the fact that in the manga 17 is actually around SSJ3 Goku level, as he's only around Blue level in the anime! Still I like the idea he was training with the Cell Juniors (who likely regenerated after Gohan defeated them) and if DBS anime does ever return, I would love them to make him training with the Cell Juniors canon to the anime continuity (as the special chapter only occurs in the manga & was never part of the anime which was a shame)! Still you also need to remember that 17 is an Android with unlimited energy/stamina meaning he can train nonstop without getting tired and his job as a ranger is basically wildness training! Basically Android 17 has the advantage of being able to train his body without the need to rest & training with multiple Cell Juniors who are quite strong on their own in addition to his job being a form of wildness training, 17 has the perfect body, sparring partners, and occupation for growing stronger! Additionally 17 was already stronger than an untrained SSJ & was equal to True Namekian Fusion Piccolo, so he was already pretty powerful to begin with! I also like to think the Androids like 17 & 18 don't decrease in power from lack of training!

[@Cheese_burgerisbad]

Androids have Gohan levels of potential so its reasonable

[@supahthebest1057]

Ah yes, an android that had super saiyan level became a GOD LEVEL just by taming cell JRs 😊

[@Her0the_1]

I mean the cell jr's r around cell level, and cell has the DNA of frezia and sayians who grow really fast. And training with them for 10 years sounds like it's possible

[@Killua-go6bq]

I may think that there could have been more and some of the could have became imperfect cell or one of those and 17 had to beat them

[@KombatW0mbat]

In the manga 17 fights ssj 3 goku which is cool. But in the anime I always took it as since ssj blue is all about ki control. You can raise and lower it very freely.

[@notarobot6688]

Don't sleep on poacher san's power level

[@aukez_]

I think that it's caused by sayan cells in cell juniors and fight every day make them stronger so 17 became more stronger

[@gamekiller_214]

We should’ve had the cell jrs instead of the humans and 18

[@jujubeast5829]

The cell juniors were all equal to perfect cell and most likely had the same potential so yes it makes sense

[@Theone0I]

I mean they got saiyan and namekian cells so i guess with enough zenkai buffs they could get strong as heck and make 17 really strong

[@user-es9nt5vw6x]

Should’ve been around ssg at resurrection movie

[@Novad8836]

The cell juniors are mini copies of Cell and have cells from Saiyans, Piccolo, Freiza and King cold! They hidden potential must be ridiculous and There’s no telling how strong they could become with Training… a question is can the cell juniors grow into adults??

[@quirkydreamer1233]

I mean, if those cell juniors are made with the same DNA as cell himself then their potential would be insane. Part gohan part piccolo part goku and vegeta and part frieza. Hopefully some piece of cell max didn't survive to go absorb them and become max perfect or something crazy.

[@eiad.8]

Carthu's missing twin

[@DrPistacho]

He have "Potential" like Freezer... THAT'S it

[@Wicaugen]

But let’s be real, we see how many Cell Juniors Cell creates, and we see how many Cell Juniors Gohan kills. They’re equal. So I dunno if this makes sense tbh 🤷‍♂️

[@Redneckofgaming]

I would have like to seen this in the anime

[@Deimos0VI]

Gero had data from Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Frieza. Since he was able to take their dna and make Cell, it isn’t out of the ballpark to assume he programmed 17 and 18 to get stronger at a factor of all of the fighters combined. That would make the most sense realistically

[@Yax1012]

I wish goten kept his goku hair 😢

[@eror404acountnotfound9]

#17 only needs to take water breaks never needs to eat or sleep he fights one cell jr until its exhausted fights then the next one and keeps going untill the first one has recovered and because of piccolos cells they would have insane stamina regeneration so he could be in constant training for days even weeks possibly (untill he has to take out some poachers)

[@draw_neos-5064]

17 is ssj3 level, blue goku is for testing them against godly lvl enemies, same with krillin

[@dr.shakib9961]

The freaking hell do you mean by they "might" be the original Cell Jrs? What else would they be???

[@Superdario9000]

Can Cell Juniors also get Zenkai Boosts and Regenerate? Because if so, if 17 actually trained with them and they grew so much stronger, and he STILL tamed them, I can see why he got stronger.

[@DiggleTheGoo]

My question is moreso: why can they train, like the androids? It just doesn’t make sense to me bc if they have no ki then technically they’re not lifeforms. But if Dr Gero did put like some sort of synthetic muscle and synthetic ki, I do think 17 could’ve reached Goku blue by just fighting 7 cell jrs bc after all that’s 3.5 times cell power or more since they retain regeneration and Zenkai boosts

[@GamerXYZ1009]

I feel like as 17 trained with Cell Jrs they both got stronger with each fight especially since Cell Jrs also grow stronger like Saiyans as for 17 he got stronger through experience

[@andrew-coronel-9016]

Maybe he trained with no sleep due to the infinite engine in him.

[@snowjohnson8095]

When did Cell birthed then!?😂

[@elsnator7869]

well it does make sense because at base without any trading there were stronger than super Saiyan Vegeta and Goku. so after a few years of training I would expect that he would be strong

[@Valid_opinionist]

The thing is 17 in the manga clashed with ssj3 goku, not blue

[@FoxGon-yk9cp]

Yes its logical.. cause those Cell Juniors also have Saiyan DNA

[@kurcsikmark4618]

Every single Cell Junior can do everything that the original Cell can and at base is as strong as Cell himself as its been stated by Cell. Cell had the genes to improve his power the same way Gohan, Goku, Vegeta or Frieza could, whitch simply means the Cell Juniors also have the same ability to frow in strenght infinitely. My theory is, those Cell Juniors train with 17 in their free time, and 17 doesnt seem to have a limit to his strenght either, so he got a lot stronger as the time went on and the Cell juniors are probably around the same lvl as him or just maybe a bit lower.