How Did Doctor Gero Build Androids Stronger Than Frieza?

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How Did Doctor Gero Build Androids STRONGER Than FRIEZA? Does this make sense in-universe or does it break the Dragon Ball story? Laughingstock Media discusses that in this video featuring the Dragon Ball Z anime and manga!
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@darkcloak100
@darkcloak100 3 жыл бұрын
Easy, he made the androids train for 3 days out doing Frieza's 0 days of training.
@johnnysmith92
@johnnysmith92 3 жыл бұрын
17 still won the ToP and it was the 1st one the damage Jiren
@lilithtetterton5014
@lilithtetterton5014 3 жыл бұрын
Based
@Nemo-ew2hd
@Nemo-ew2hd 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnysmith92 tearing jiren's outfit doesnt do crap and 17 only one because the rest sacrificed themselves lol
@meaningfulmindfulness15
@meaningfulmindfulness15 3 жыл бұрын
@@Nemo-ew2hd he was also the only one to make that wish to save everyone else, otherwise everyone would've been erased anyway. Sacrifcing the cruise for his family (lol), trying to get back to look after the wildlife refuge, and embracing the 'Human' way of sacrificing themselves by attempting it himself when he shielded them from Jiren's super blast. He just somehow survived. 17 is a hero. 🦎
@Nemo-ew2hd
@Nemo-ew2hd 3 жыл бұрын
@@meaningfulmindfulness15 they were planning 17's "sacrifice" to be a fraud, so jiren could get knocked out, goku was gonna wish back the universes anyway
@CJ-qv4sd
@CJ-qv4sd 3 жыл бұрын
Because Gero is Built Different (Literally)
@magdalenomartinezjr8805
@magdalenomartinezjr8805 3 жыл бұрын
Very literally
@Primo0897
@Primo0897 3 жыл бұрын
That part 😂
@feywinterfox9630
@feywinterfox9630 3 жыл бұрын
😏 I so want to post that rising glass gif to you on this post!
@Gcoastone
@Gcoastone 3 жыл бұрын
Damn lol
@mallorycainjr.1921
@mallorycainjr.1921 3 жыл бұрын
@@Primo0897 well played
@alexdenty7041
@alexdenty7041 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine all the great things Gero could've done if he was a good guy
@KameronDAaron
@KameronDAaron 3 жыл бұрын
That's the point, he would be to overpowered of a character to be a hero😂😂
@kiirothedriver8714
@kiirothedriver8714 3 жыл бұрын
I mean Bulma and his father are already exactly like that... Genius Do gooders.
@er.esakkim8781
@er.esakkim8781 3 жыл бұрын
There is nothing Good or Bad with Gero. He was a scientist who was funded by the "Red Ribbon Army." It is this organization that was notorious for criminal activities. Even then they encountered Goku only because the former wanted Dragon balls and Bulma was able to locate them. As far as Gero is considered, Goku destroyed his company, his family and his livelihood. So he went dark and created Androids and the Cell to kill Goku for his revenge.
@alexdenty7041
@alexdenty7041 3 жыл бұрын
@@er.esakkim8781 he destroyed an entire city killing countless civilians
@carlosvasquez3686
@carlosvasquez3686 3 жыл бұрын
That applies for literally every villain though.... imagine if original broly joined the team... imagine if thanos joined avengers, imagine all the great things they could do for good...
@dwoodstwin
@dwoodstwin 3 жыл бұрын
The real question is scope. Humans can look to stars and imagine going there. The strength frieza shown during the namek saga was unfathomable. If goku and piccolo were the examples, then radditz should have been the goal for the androids. Frieza was hundreds of millions times more powerful than the strongest being gero had ever seen. That's like designing a bomb to destroy the universe after seeing gun powder.
@Vapor817
@Vapor817 3 жыл бұрын
i remember the battle against vegeta was the last fight gero mentioned recording, but gero also mentioned that he wasn't interested in monitoring goku anymore because he would be able to predict goku's power increases. gero knew that the saiyans wouldn't be goku's power ceiling. it's more like seeing the progression from gunpowder to nuclear bomb then designing an antimatter bomb in response.
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 3 жыл бұрын
@@Vapor817 Yeah exactly. Gero had already tried to make an android to defeat Goku. He's not shooting for "equal to Goku's current power" he's shooting for what he expects Goku to become later... and he needs to double THAT in order to be certain he can kill Goku. Yeah, that's a tall order, and is pretty ridiculous to think about, but it's the goal he had.
@thatkid2523
@thatkid2523 3 жыл бұрын
Hold on though strength wise you’re right but fundamentally what gives them power is the same. U can see a brick fall or a titanic ship fall but see the same gravity
@DJ5780
@DJ5780 3 жыл бұрын
Deeep
@N.i.E.M.O
@N.i.E.M.O 3 жыл бұрын
@poppyface Even with this considered, Gero himself admits to never having anticipated something like the Super Saiyan transformation, so why would he bother attempting to design androids that powerful? This isn't even taking into account the nonsensical leaps in power gains that Goku recieved on Namek to begin with (from 90,000 to 3,000,000 in one fight). How could anyone predict something so absurd? Add to that the SSJ form, which apparently multiplies Goku's already ridiculous strength by fifty times. If Gero's androids managed to be waaay stronger than even all that, the original point still stands - it is overkill to the extreme and makes no sense from a logical standpoint. Of course, we all know the real reason why the androids are so strong - because Toriyama, creative as he may be, puts little extended thought into his story concepts and simply splats out the first thing that comes to his mind without bothering to make sure everything makes sense with his prior established narrative. This is why after all these years, it is the fans who have to argue amongst themselves, coming up with fan-theories to explain away the inconsistencies in Toriyama's writing.
@clearelement1051
@clearelement1051 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Gero was able to create many things but his greatest achievement was making Krillen win for once.
@feliciavale4279
@feliciavale4279 Ай бұрын
My boy Krillen needed a W
@black2785
@black2785 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Gero was a hero, even tho he died like a b****. that dude literally created an Android that saved the entire Multiverse.
@KaiserMattTygore927
@KaiserMattTygore927 3 жыл бұрын
The same guy that offed him was the guy that saved reality.
@shab-re5334
@shab-re5334 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, my man gero sacrificed himself to save the universe😢
@blazeuchiha2169
@blazeuchiha2169 3 жыл бұрын
or in other timelines completely fucked up the world for fun
@SleepiZero
@SleepiZero 3 жыл бұрын
Actually the androids were kidnapped by gero when they were human and gero modified them their true names are android 18=lazuli android 17=lapis
@lukejones7164
@lukejones7164 3 жыл бұрын
And the strongest Android of them all is his wife lol (Android 21).
@markstriker925
@markstriker925 3 жыл бұрын
By sheer coincidence, a scientist made cyborgs that were more powerful than the Alien emperor who rule the universe. They just happen to came right after the Heroes defeated the Alien emperor.
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
They actually came 4 years after. 3 after freeza came to earth. And Gero had spies on freeza. But I get your point. Gero also made a predictive assessment if Goku's strength and growth so they were really designed to outperform Goku after he showed his strength increase during the Saiyan fight.
@DominikSobolewski
@DominikSobolewski 3 жыл бұрын
@@DSan-kl2yc What spies on Frieza?
@hentodev7205
@hentodev7205 3 жыл бұрын
@@DominikSobolewski dr gero had robots spying on goku and the rest up until goku became a super sayian
@DominikSobolewski
@DominikSobolewski 3 жыл бұрын
@@hentodev7205 Nope. Gero said he stopped collecting data after Saiyan Saga, which he clearly states.
@milowolfface9392
@milowolfface9392 3 жыл бұрын
@@DominikSobolewski And he CLEARY uses Freezas and King Colds Dna to make Cell. So he knew of them.
@bigevil1001
@bigevil1001 Жыл бұрын
I think the problem feels so glaring because it defies what TVTropes calls the “Sorting Algorithm of Evil”. Where every villain is a bigger threat than the one that came before. 1-Pilaf was a silly manchild who had 2 henchmen under him. 2-The Red Ribbon Army was a powerful military bent on world domination. 3-King Piccolo was the greatest evil the world had ever known. And now he’s back to plague the Earth once again. When Goku defeats Piccolo Jr he becomes the strongest being on Earth. The next logical step is to introduce threats beyond planet Earth. 4-The reason Goku was so strong was because he was a member of a powerful race of space warriors. Raditz was a being from the same planet that Goku is from and has the same abilities but even greater power. 5-It turns out Goku and his brother were both weaklings among their people and Earth’s heroes must now face the elite of the Saiyan race. Particularly, Vegeta, the mightiest Saiyan of all. 6-The adventure leaves planet Earth and enters the very stars as our heroes must now face an intergalactic empire made up of the universes strongest fighters; led by the same invincible tyrant that annihilated the Saiyans and rules the universe. This tyrant can only be defeated by fulfilling an ancient alien prophecy. 7-The heroes must change their fate by defeating 2 cybernetically enhanced humans created by a scientist who worked for an organization that Goku already defeated when he was a kid. You can kinda see how the Androids might feel out of place to some people.
@shiftfire4511
@shiftfire4511 3 жыл бұрын
I think it, ultimately, boils down to "He wanted to be absolutely certain Goku would die." Having examined the whole of the Saiyan saga, he realized the explosive, almost exponential growth of Goku in the intervening year of his death. He also saw the Oozaru form for the first time, and realized it offered a ten times increase in power...and it's also possible he saw the Zenkai boost. We also know he worked heavily in DNA, so he could have seen the potential of further massive growth. While I doubt he saw something that would indicate the Super Saiyan transformation, he wanted to be ABSOLUTELY FUCKING SURE Goku was going to die no matter what. All his androids up to that point wouldn't have even scratched Vegeta, so he went for as much power and capablility as possible. Except, he went too far. 13, 14, and 15 just wouldn't have been able to completely, absolutely outclass his maximum estimated growth. At this point, he had already created the power source of the androids, an infinite source of energy, but they couldn't make full use of it. So he built 16, who more than exceeded his wildest calculations. But, in his rush for power, he realized that 16 was too powerful, and sacrificed many limiters for that power to work properly, namely most of the behavior modifications. He couldn't even assume that 16 would TRY to kill Goku due to those flaws. (Also, apparently he was based on his son so...It's really up in the air.) He determined that utilizing this engine with pure mechanics just wouldn't work. This wouldn't give him something that was both strong enough to kill Goku, and completely loyal to him to ensure they would try. So, he went the Cyborg route. He kidnapped the twins who would later be 17 and 18, wiped their minds, and started to put all his Android knowledge into making them the perfect weapons. However, this method was a complete failure in terms of his goals. He had, successfully, turned them and made them more than capable of killing Goku's greatest projected power with ease...but there was even LESS loyalty, and they were still too unrestricted for him to control. The infinite power engine just wasn't going to work. So, back to the drawing board. He returned to the mechanical side of things, and came across the idea of surpassing any projected growth by absorbing it. A method that would keep the Android (comparatively) weaker, but would still be able to kill the Z-fighters without disabling the behavior limitations. Thus, he built 19 with the absorption engine in place. And he worked perfectly! Loyal, powerful, and more than enough to kill Goku by his predictions. But he still wanted to be certain, and one Android of 19's power may be overwhelmed by a combined force of Goku and Vegeta. So, using the knowledge gained from 17 and 18's conversion, he converted HIMSELF using his computer. But, the Infinite Engine was too risky without his personal touch, so he became an absorption model like 19. Now, we know how it all goes from there.
@sirsir9665
@sirsir9665 8 ай бұрын
I was stated he had the idea and started creating Cell before the Androids. Realizing it would take too long to create Cell he turned to the Androids instead. They were needed anyway for Cell. They were designed to also become part of Cell. His ultimate biological machine. Cell doesn't have gears but the perfect bend of organs making him farther superior not to mention the combined skills and biology of the greatest life forms alive unto his desgin. Dr. Gero failed again because Cell had too much emotion just like all of his other Androids. Cell was prideful and it left too much opportunity for his opponent to win. I don't Gero realized Cell might Inherit too much personality from the stolen cells to create him
@MLaak86
@MLaak86 Ай бұрын
@@sirsir9665well Gero’s computer oversaw the genetic engineering of Cell so I think any of the flaws in his personality resulting from that can I think be more down to the computer’s decisions about what DNA would be more dominant, which also seems to change at each ‘stage’/form.
@arch_engineer8773
@arch_engineer8773 3 жыл бұрын
I think the Mecha Freiza arc was also a way to ease us into believing powerful androids were possible in the dbz universe.
@Jason-kg8fx
@Jason-kg8fx 3 жыл бұрын
The big question is how did he build himself into an android
@DeadlyVenomKing
@DeadlyVenomKing 3 жыл бұрын
Most likely he created other bots to make him
@Jason-kg8fx
@Jason-kg8fx 3 жыл бұрын
@Juan Vasquez then if that’s the case he made a poor decision and make android 19 make him like him where if he was smart enough he would’ve choose to make himself like android 17and 18
@joshgroban5291
@joshgroban5291 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jason-kg8fx because infinite energy models are harder to control. He considered 8-18 all failures and 19 was the only success.
@Ordoabchao-x9k
@Ordoabchao-x9k 3 жыл бұрын
well easy. he build a robot (probably 19) with the hability to perform cyborg surgery on him.
@TheHylden
@TheHylden 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshgroban5291 They were harder to control because they kept their own personality. Since he would be making himself into one, he'd want to keep his own personality, so he really should have made himself like them. The only real explanation of why he didn't is it was extremely hard to make that level of tech and he couldn't somehow do it a third time. Maybe the energy source took too much resources to make and he wouldn't have been able to do another one in his lifetime.
@Potential94
@Potential94 3 жыл бұрын
I always found it absurd that A human from earth built a couple of Androids who were indefinitely stronger than an alien tyrant with multiple transformations. Toriyama just needed to process the plot due to popularity
@milowolfface9392
@milowolfface9392 3 жыл бұрын
But the mutant aliens and monkey men shooting lazers out of their hands is cool with you?
@Nemo-ew2hd
@Nemo-ew2hd 3 жыл бұрын
@@milowolfface9392 yes, but not earthling robots that can surpass mutant aliens just out of the blue
@robertrainford6754
@robertrainford6754 3 жыл бұрын
Em you do realize ki is basically a supernatural element as spirts and magic right while the androids are based on science fiction. I don’t know about you but I think the androids make more sense than the concept of ki. Your logic doesn’t really have a lot of sense and in all honestly with how the sayians physical abilities work with getting stronger after ever fight frieza should have never been able to kill there race.
@bosknight7837
@bosknight7837 3 жыл бұрын
@@milowolfface9392 what kinda metal is strong enough to withstand a Power Level of several millions tho Like,10.000 is enough to blow up a planet
@wolfzend5964
@wolfzend5964 Жыл бұрын
@@bosknight7837 Kachin: the strongest known metal in the Dragon Ball Z world?
@andrebryant5081
@andrebryant5081 3 жыл бұрын
Are we going to mention Dr. Gero is a God? He gave Cell a soul to go to hell.
@thatBigfuu
@thatBigfuu 3 жыл бұрын
:3
@dreamkiller898
@dreamkiller898 3 жыл бұрын
@@thatBigfuu no he absorbed 17 and 18 who were human,although he spit 18 out, 17 was still absorbed when he died.
@maybe6213
@maybe6213 3 жыл бұрын
@@dreamkiller898 OK and?
@overlorddante
@overlorddante 3 жыл бұрын
aye, that part is what makes no sense to me haha
@Pedalbored
@Pedalbored 3 жыл бұрын
@@maybe6213 so he absorbed a soul therefore gaining his own.
@thelonesomedrifter5884
@thelonesomedrifter5884 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wonder why did Doctor Gero make 17 and 18 stronger than himself.
@degenerate-otaku6634
@degenerate-otaku6634 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah he didn't think a lot through
@sweep_swoop
@sweep_swoop 3 жыл бұрын
Real answer is because Toriyama’s editor made him make 17 and 18 since he thought that 19 looked stupid. In universe idk
@degenerate-otaku6634
@degenerate-otaku6634 3 жыл бұрын
@@sweep_swoop yeah
@officerspider7996
@officerspider7996 3 жыл бұрын
@@sweep_swoop I think an old man and a mime aren’t as scary as two twin teenagers (which admittedly wasn’t as scary either because he had to make Cell too because of the Editor)
@richardpell
@richardpell 3 жыл бұрын
17/18 probably built on really experimental tech that wasn't likely to work. He used safe augmentation on himself.
@jayb8934
@jayb8934 3 жыл бұрын
For me it's not even a question of HOW he made such powerful androids, but WHY? Even if he extrapolated an increase in Goku's strength based on when he last observed him (Saiyan Saga), there's no way he should have predicted super saiyan. Based on what he knew, his androids should have been like using a nuke to kill a mouse.
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
And then to conquer the world
@kitkat7074
@kitkat7074 3 жыл бұрын
A single 12 year old child destroyed a powerful military force that was capable of ruling the world, if I was Gero I'd go overboard with the power level of the androids too.
@joshgroban5291
@joshgroban5291 3 жыл бұрын
Because it's Goku. He knew it was very possible that Goku would increase his strength as he got older, and watching kid Goku go from destroying an army to killing the demon king solidified his point. His computer could've also made some predictions as well
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
Well we know for a fact he didn't predict super Saiyan. That's why the last batch of androids were UNDERpowered. Gero didn't want something as strong as Goku but stronger. Maybe he got carried away with his experiments and that's why he purposefully made the original androids weaker in the alternate future timeline. Especially after Goku died. Gero would also have witnessed Goku lose and then comeback stronger or been aware of it twice. With tao Pai Pai maybe, and against piccolo for sure. So he made them strong enough to account for a power boost from Goku in case Goku got away.
@MrMarket1987
@MrMarket1987 3 жыл бұрын
Gero himself brings up that he was closely calculating and monitoring the prowess of Goku and the Dragon Team, and wanted to ensure he got ahead of where they could reach. He wanted his plans to go without a hitch, so he likely made use of every possible tool and bioengineering at his disposal to get it right from the getgo because he likely expected his nemesis' survival would only come back to haunt him. That said, he didn't really overshoot it _that_ much. Keep in mind that Gero himself got his arm chopped off by Piccolo pre-Kami, and so he and 19 were within the destructive capabilities of most of the Dragon Team if they got jumped on outright with their better attacks rather than the surprise attacks and genocide they pulled off in public; When he saw what Goku and Vegeta were capable of as SS, he still felt he was strong enough to handle them, but with 19 gone, vastly outnumbered, and with an arm chopped off, he was forced to rely on the biodroid duo he was likely saving as a last resort because he was quickly losing ground. As for Cell himself, that was the computer working in Gero's place to continue to manufacture the bioweapon with added details from Frieza and King Cold, two extremely powerful beings that showed up with plenty of time for that project to "perfect" Cell's full potential.
@winnienguyen4420
@winnienguyen4420 3 жыл бұрын
I felt like the Androids were way overpowered. It was Shocking to me as a kid watching DBZ that there was that big of a power difference between Frieza and Cell honestly.
@CrazyLocoInsane1
@CrazyLocoInsane1 3 жыл бұрын
I can see Cell being stronger than Frieza due to his cells are in cell lol if that makes sense. 17 and 18 is awful writing in my opinion I have been saying this since the 90s. I love cell but the androids are garbage.
@KhronosTrigger
@KhronosTrigger 3 жыл бұрын
@@CrazyLocoInsane1 That’s hilarious, since we only got Cell because of Toriyamas Editor saying the androids were boring and to come up with something more, which is how cell came to be, even admitting the androids were supposed to be the big bad instead of cell.
@RuiLuz
@RuiLuz 3 жыл бұрын
And now Frieza is 50 x stronger than Cell, but I wonder if Cell trained like Frieza did, he would probably be 100 x stronger.
@Nemo-ew2hd
@Nemo-ew2hd 3 жыл бұрын
@@RuiLuz probably not, since being a prodigy is in the mind, not the cells
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 3 жыл бұрын
@@KhronosTrigger Enh in the end that made for a GREAT story though.
@stormrhode2330
@stormrhode2330 3 жыл бұрын
The Android Saga was a hugely missed opportunity and a prime example of how Toriyama arguably isn't that great of a story writer, in my opinion. Goku had far outclassed everyone when he achieved his Super Saiyan form. Putting him out of the fight with the heart virus was a great idea. The other characters would need to rise up to combat the new threat (would have made narrative sense for the androids to be weaker than Frieza). Through the tribulations and training, everyone could have closed the gap a little to catch up to Goku and remain relevant. But perhaps coolest of all, Vegeta could have had a huge development arc, initially fighting the androids out of pride, but then achieved Super Saiyan in order to save his son as well as the earth. (Poetic, since he'd tried to destroy it). Oh, and Kami's sacrifice would have actually meant something. And it would have been so dang badass to see the Saiyans alongside Piccolo battling Cell together. It's frustrating to me how much better written the series could've been...
@RemiusTheAwesome
@RemiusTheAwesome 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, if Kami and Piccolo never fused, then they never would have gotten the information they needed to counter Cell's rampage because even at that point, none of the Z-fighters were anywhere close to strong enough to fight him. He likely would have just kept absorbing humans and by the time the Zfighters showed up to fight him he would have just roflstomped them all. The thing about Toriyama that people don't give him credit for is that he was VERY good at not breaking the core logic/physics of the series, no matter what it meant for the story. Toriyama's consistency is also what people hated about Gohan....they wanted Toriyama to make him the star of the manga, but Toriyama (who WROTE Gohan) knew that Gohan would literally never be able to replace Goku because Gohan's canon motivations and personality would have NEVER made him a warrior. Same with Piccolo. Even with that power boost and ESPECIALLY after the fusion, Piccolo was no longer a warrior. He would now take up the same position Kami did...and over time, Goku would have inevitably surpassed him again.
@stormrhode2330
@stormrhode2330 3 жыл бұрын
@@RemiusTheAwesome I'm actually cool with everything you said. I thought the Kami-Piccolo fusion was awesome, but it was a shame Piccolo's strength meant nothing after a couple episodes. Toriyama really did him dirty. I don't hate the Buu Saga as much as a lot of people do. I think that if The Cell Saga wrapped up with everyone defeating the big bad almost the way it happened, that would have been super cool. Goku being the hero against Buu, I'm fine with that. :)
@mohamedkhider6998
@mohamedkhider6998 3 жыл бұрын
@@stormrhode2330 i respect Your opinion but the point you mentioned makes no sense whatsoever... The z fighters closing the Gap even a little would've been a terrible writing Tien / Yamcha / Krilin / can never do such thing in one arc ... Goku trained his ass off both before fighting vegeta / after fighting vegeta/ had a massive zenkai boost so Goku is already in a league of his own in comparison with the others And goku hasn't aquired The legendary ssj yet If somehow they managed to " level up " the arc would end before it has even started Every z fighters played and extremely Great role in the android and cell saga especially Picolo daimao who fused with kami ( i mean that's one hell of a development ). And everyone know that cell saga was all about developing gohan + Vegeta Indeed got the greatest development and even in a far better way ( Majin vegeta and goku fight) it Just can't get better for Vegeta character So the android and cell saga despite some flaws here and there it still great writing Wise And again i totally respect Your opinion
@doubleace11554
@doubleace11554 2 жыл бұрын
Piccolo was already stronger than Frieza in his 2nd form and Gohan could get close with his rage boost. So really, you would have to removes half the cast for the human fighters to be relevant
@nickclark18
@nickclark18 Жыл бұрын
Just stop storm. You do not know better than the creator of the show. Deal with it.
@lunchbox7337ify
@lunchbox7337ify 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that but one Android he created eventually went on to gain God Tier strength or at the very least close to it with no wishes, no training with Gods, no zenkai boosts nothing. 17 is pretty insane when you think about it lol
@iceinmehveins6487
@iceinmehveins6487 3 жыл бұрын
Or Super Scaling sucks
@lunchbox7337ify
@lunchbox7337ify 3 жыл бұрын
@@iceinmehveins6487 I mean you're not wrong, there are alot of cases you can argue and I can even see the other side of the aisle with 17 but he's the only one I can buy being so powerful. It makes me wonder what the hell he was doing during the Buu saga though, if he progressed as well as guys like Goku and Vegeta he sure as shit could've jumped in that fight.
@iceinmehveins6487
@iceinmehveins6487 3 жыл бұрын
Right.
@Salik96
@Salik96 3 жыл бұрын
@@lunchbox7337ify He was protecting the island.
@WhiskeyVet68
@WhiskeyVet68 3 жыл бұрын
@@Salik96 ranging the sh*t out of that park
@ItsDeebs
@ItsDeebs 3 жыл бұрын
That point you raised at the end is why Baby is a great villain. Despite Dr. Myuu basically being a palette swap Gero with sunglasses. The Tuffles made a good choice for an enemy. They'd already been introduced early in DBZ and were the Sins of the Saiyans. Baby was also the last Tuffle King fused with the machine mutant parasite.
@lancekemal8989
@lancekemal8989 7 ай бұрын
He was the best part of GT. Better than the Shadolw Dragon arc IMO
@Sorain1
@Sorain1 2 ай бұрын
@@lancekemal8989 The idea behind the Shadow Dragon arc is great, the execution did not live up to the potential.
@tuluflulu
@tuluflulu 2 ай бұрын
@@Sorain1 It wasn't perfect, but it got better over time. Only half the dragons being cool was a big flaw.
@JohnDoe-dv6zb
@JohnDoe-dv6zb 3 жыл бұрын
Over the years, I had always imagined that since 16, 17 and 18 all had nukes installed within them, then, perhaps their infinite energy supply came from them being fitted with some sort of nanoscale reactors. They took a long time to burn out and (with the right resources and preparations) could be maintained/replaced/recharged somehow. The Androids strongly reminded me of the fleshbound, endoskeletal Terminator models(Which can repair themselves) and I figured Gero likely would have left behind detailed files in one of his many bases on how to repair specific models in the case of an emergency.
@ssu123
@ssu123 2 ай бұрын
@@JohnDoe-dv6zb 17 and 18 are cyborgs
@freetime2freeminds
@freetime2freeminds 3 жыл бұрын
I think it might've made more sense power wise if they came before the saiyan saga. How do modified humans with materials(presumably from earth) be able to surpass a guy that casually destroys planets like popping fireworks? I get the whole "sum is greater than the parts" thing but yeah, Im glad you did this video. Something that has stood out to me
@robertrainford6754
@robertrainford6754 3 жыл бұрын
Em ki does not make sense as a concept so if anything the androids power actually makes sense by default since there technology based not supernaturally based.
@Acerthorn
@Acerthorn 3 жыл бұрын
1:39 Capsule Corp didn't have faster-than-light space travel from the beginning. It was only thanks to reverse engineering Goku's old saiyan space pod that Dr. Briefs was able to develop the technology. At the start of the Namek Saga, Bulma points out that getting to Namek using Capsule Corp's existing tech would take more than 4,000 years one-way.
@JustaGuy_Gaming
@JustaGuy_Gaming 3 жыл бұрын
I think one of the issues a lot of people have is the jump in scale. Gero with the backing of the entire Red Ribbon Army and tons of help and funding created androids beat up by a child Goku with a power level of 100 or so. Next outing he has androids he built on his own in secret with no outside funding or help with a power level thousands of times stronger than anything he had seen up to that point.
@CrimsonWar5
@CrimsonWar5 3 жыл бұрын
Clearly Gero knew about the ultimate form of humans and tapped into that 100% potential through augmentation. Lol
@blakemeans7366
@blakemeans7366 3 жыл бұрын
Gero had friezas cells... He knew how powerful the androids needed to be. Imagine how strong 16 would have been had he not been released sooner than he was supposed to be.
@danielhenry4365
@danielhenry4365 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Gero used Broly to convert into a Saiyadroid.
@kungfuhusler
@kungfuhusler 3 жыл бұрын
He did, it's a horrible movie called Bio Broly
@conswan57
@conswan57 3 жыл бұрын
@@kungfuhusler he did it in raging blast
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 3 жыл бұрын
@@kungfuhusler That wasn't Gero, that was Dr. Collie and his assistant Nain.
@cdeezy2718
@cdeezy2718 3 жыл бұрын
For me, the only explanation is that gero was able to use the cells from the z fighters and somehow in time, enhance them. Sort of like how a.i. learns/trains itself.
@jamainegardner4193
@jamainegardner4193 3 жыл бұрын
That makes... too much sense. Especially since that makes 17 being so strong now more palatable.
@cdeezy2718
@cdeezy2718 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamainegardner4193 think about geros computers like the hyperbolic time chamber 😄 But training all the cells of the z fighters
@cdeezy2718
@cdeezy2718 3 жыл бұрын
@@DaveyBackSilvers no thats stupid, obviously saiyan flesh is more durable than steel. I think your missing the point.
@waffleten9750
@waffleten9750 3 жыл бұрын
@@cdeezy2718 I don't think that's what he meant........
@mechajay3358
@mechajay3358 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, when you have a decade long vendetta as Gero in wanting to destroy your enemy, it's simple to have that determination to make a break through in science to develop that advance technology.
@colinnixon7739
@colinnixon7739 3 жыл бұрын
With that logic he could just make stronger androids 😂😂
@lonestarwolfentertainment7184
@lonestarwolfentertainment7184 2 жыл бұрын
I’d imagine Earth is considered a back water planet both because of how naturally weak the humans are (even though the Human Z-Fighters have all but surpassed your average Saiyan Warrior at this point) plus the fact that while they are capable of FTL travel they haven’t actually colonized any other planet.
@jorgerincon6874
@jorgerincon6874 3 жыл бұрын
I find it funny you're trying to pass all of Bulma and Dr Brief achievements as humanity as a whole. When really they are freaking geniuses without comparison. It's the same as saying that all saiyans have the power to destroy the universe based solely on the achievements of Goku and Vegeta
@youngshinobi7208
@youngshinobi7208 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Dr.Briefs alone invented capsules (which is why they are rich), the gravity chamber, Goku's spaceship to Namek, repaired 16 within days, etc. These aren't even counting Bulma's sole accomplishments.
@donta1221
@donta1221 3 жыл бұрын
Lol I never thought of it like that but now that I think about it 😂😂
@kitkat7074
@kitkat7074 3 жыл бұрын
He also used super as examples of humans being capable to be more powerful than frieza....a show that came out many years later. However the complaints about the androids being more powerful than frieza where there from day one, so he should have used example from before the android arc to prove his point. That's like saying Jiren didn't get his powers from nowhere because 20 years from now there will be an arc where we see his species have always been this strong. The idea is great content material but the video itself was sloppy with poor reasoning.
@KmoneyB12
@KmoneyB12 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly him using two geniuses to describe humanity as whole in terms of tech dbz considered is dumb, not everybody is that smart lol.
@abney_66
@abney_66 3 жыл бұрын
Gero is probably smarter than Dr. Briefs or Bulma
@xxProjectJxx
@xxProjectJxx 3 жыл бұрын
What always used to bug me wasn't so much that Gero could create the androids, but that no one else did. There was no society as technologically advanced as Earth in all the years that King Cold and Frieza were conquering planets that could create this tech, but Gero could? You'd think if it were possible to create machines that could so substantially dwarf Frieza in power, someone would have done it. But then someone said to me that there must be several warrior races besides the saiyans and among all of them, only Goku managed to overpower Frieza. Maybe, just as this was the unique power of Goku, this was also the unique genius of Gero. That satisfied me.
@progressivelibertarianview8832
@progressivelibertarianview8832 3 жыл бұрын
I stopped asking rational questions about DBZ along time ago... Like they coexist with dinosaurs
@stephano2996
@stephano2996 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when they summoned the Dragon in the middle of West City and none of the inhabitants even cared xD.
@broggy52
@broggy52 3 жыл бұрын
Regenerative bubblegum is a threat to gods
@thomastroster60
@thomastroster60 2 ай бұрын
@@stephano2996 Attention everybody! Godzirra Godzirra. Godzirra Godzirra Godzirra. Godzirra.
@zapbloodfist
@zapbloodfist 3 ай бұрын
Bulma's dad invented capsules they ignore the laws of physics they can shrink things down to any size while ignoring their mass and weight
@Alulim-Eridu
@Alulim-Eridu 3 жыл бұрын
"How did you put your own brain into a robot body?" - "Easy, I just, um. . . 🤨Wait a minute. How did I do that?" 🤔
@DrsJacksonn
@DrsJacksonn 3 жыл бұрын
To me it sounds like Toriyama hadn't prepared for a scenario where DBZ continued after the Frieza saga, so he had to come up with a dumb idea which he thought was okay 'because comic book logic' and decided he'd just have it loosely tie in with earlier established canon. Having Cell be stronger than all the other warriors would actually make sense to me.
@LegendaryBeanBurrito
@LegendaryBeanBurrito 3 жыл бұрын
It’s definitely odd. Gero was collecting data from battles on Earth. Not sure if he unknowingly collected data from Frieza and the party when they arrived. But also there is a point of him keeping up with all of Goku’s battles from Dragonball through Z before he went to namek. It’s possible Gero seen the progression and how fast Goku could develop and estimated it over a time period. Granted which makes sense because Gero was not ready for the SSJ form or the multipliers it gave or further training as a SSJ. I think Gero just estimated as far as he could into the future and just thought ahead.
@darrellsimon4462
@darrellsimon4462 3 ай бұрын
I just thought the strongest person gero would have had data on tat that time would be ape vegeta if he decided to do a ball park of let's say like 100× that he roughly gets around namek saga ssj goku and we'll if he goes beyond 100× that then he gets stronger than feezia. So he's catering for hours growth and basing it off if the strongest power he's seen yet
@VirgAlexJunchurriki
@VirgAlexJunchurriki 3 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate a man of genius. Creation and destruction are one of the same. Dragonball universe is far more advanced than ppl think. Gero already made synthetic sentient beings when goku was a child. 20 years is gonna give him plenty to invent.
@dreamcream3738
@dreamcream3738 Жыл бұрын
Simple; Gero calculated the power that he believed Goku had, and then aimed higher.
@lisboah
@lisboah Ай бұрын
Remember that the last power level measured on Earth was 18,000. How on earth did he go from that to a power level in the millions?
@dreamcream3738
@dreamcream3738 Ай бұрын
@@lisboah the highest measured was 32000 (Low balling Goku's 8000+ to 8000, Kaioken 4x multiplier) But let's do the math; Goku had a resting power level of 416. We'llhigh ball it to 500 for the sake of our calculations. In the year he was dead, Goku jumped from 500 to 8000 (lowballed as it's a concrete number) The rate of multiplying his power is thus at minimum 16 each year. There were 4 years between Freeza and the Androids (1 year when Trunks arrived, 3 years of training for the Androids) 8000x16x16x16x16= 524,288,000. And that's *without* accounting for a minimum of a Kaioken 4x multiplier; which would set the power level to 2.1 billion. And given the rules of power levels, where to overwhelm, you need to double that. So 4.2 billion, rounded up
@Maximum1Impulse
@Maximum1Impulse 3 жыл бұрын
I think you’re still underestimating alien tech. We’ve seen scouters, space pods, the elastic saiyan armor, healing tanks, etc. in universe not made on earth. Human tech is great but alien tech is equally as impressive. So all things considered, I think the tyrant Frieza should’ve still been stronger, but new arch = new enemies, so I get it
@blackroute1527
@blackroute1527 3 жыл бұрын
True. Since the Aliens are stronger and more resilent they have different needs. Flying is a regular fest for example, so no need for flying cars
@Andytlp
@Andytlp 3 жыл бұрын
its equally impressive but different tech. It must be one of those times where most alien species are sufficiently evolved and friezas reign just happens to conquer and wipe out planets so they never reach their potential. The only reason earth did is because it wasnt wiped out by goku as it was supposed to. Were way past great filter but civiliations battlign each other must be filter 2.0
@thomasbravado
@thomasbravado 3 жыл бұрын
The technological ability of humans relative to that of aliens is a good point. Unfortunately the Dragon Ball series has never been good with consistency. However, it's worth pointing out that Yamcha and Tiene became stronger than even the Ginyu force by training with King Kai, which could mean that humans have more potential even than saiyans, at least before the super saiyan transformation. That means they surpassed by far what Goku was able to achieve training with King Kai in presumably the same amount of time. Maybe turning humans into androids is thus the human equivalent of the super saiyan transformation. It unlocks the full human potential. In the end, we have to remember that the Dragon Ball universe is full of magic and other things that make no logical sense whatsoever. It seems to be more about telling a story with emotions.
@Dewaynesite1
@Dewaynesite1 3 жыл бұрын
Good thing that in the present time 17 and 18 are living great lives using their powers for good. Android 16 should be greatly partially credited for that change. Krillen falling for 18 and vice versa also helped.
@EvilRyuGuy
@EvilRyuGuy Ай бұрын
Gero: *(invents infinite energy potentially revolutionizing the whole word)* Also Gero: That's nice and all, but how do I kill Son Goku with this?
@Kathrynerius
@Kathrynerius 2 ай бұрын
“In another galaxy, which is many Lightyears away.” That’s an understatement, lmao.
@manh-haimuller6027
@manh-haimuller6027 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! This is absolutely mindblowing! We must have been ignorant or even dumb to think Dr. Gero was an ass pull Move! It’s not! The humans in DB have so much potential! Their Technology outclasses everything we know in our world! Damn!! Kudos man!!!💪🏽 too strong
@TacticalSnapBack
@TacticalSnapBack 3 жыл бұрын
I always did found it unbelievable that Androids could even stand up to Goku after the Namek Arc. Even as a kid I was like "wait, if they are articificial they would need to made from earthly metals. We saw a low level sayian rip thru an actual fighter jet while it was flying. Before the power jump on namek. WTF?"
@eugeneturner7520
@eugeneturner7520 3 жыл бұрын
I have a question - if Gero made Cell, and artificially enhanced the once human Androids, and turned them into super cyborg soldiers of the Red Ribbon Army - why didn't Gero just design Cell to be perfect from the get go? Why not just do whatever he did to the Androids, to Cell from the get go, and skip the whole hunting and absorbing process?
@black2785
@black2785 3 жыл бұрын
Even better, why not make an army of Cells
@degenerate-otaku6634
@degenerate-otaku6634 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought that, but he probably planned cell after making 17 and 18, who he wanted to get rid of. Killing them would be a waste, so why not make it useful to his new creation
@eugeneturner7520
@eugeneturner7520 3 жыл бұрын
@Wu-Entai90 I just think Gero's whole Android project was a bad idea, because they all seemed destined to betray him, eventually. I don't get why he didn't just apply all of this android tech to himself, and take Goku out that way, or just build another Red Ribbon Army Power Jacket Mech Suit, but supe it up with all the infinite energy stuff, and make it as powerful as the androids and Cell, and just use that, instead.
@black2785
@black2785 3 жыл бұрын
@@eugeneturner7520 can you imagine, Super Android 20
@WolfEpsilon
@WolfEpsilon 3 жыл бұрын
Well.. that's where you're wrong dude Gero didn't made cell it was his supercomputer.
@ViltrumiteIsRite99
@ViltrumiteIsRite99 3 жыл бұрын
Literally been pondering this. We watch Goku & Vegeta train & gain for years & decades.. + a 50x boost. But a couple of teenagers hooked up with a cyborg body are beyond SUPER SAIYAN level, and have superior combat skills? Plot af, and this just annoys me everytime.
@swnerd-2320
@swnerd-2320 2 жыл бұрын
I may be in the minority for stating this, but I would have preferred if Toriyama had retained his original idea of making Androids 19 and 20(Dr. Gero) the main villains of the arc. Dr. Gero had the potential to be a more fleshed out character than what we got and we would have seen a little bit more motivation as to why he was so obsessed with killing Goku. I heard an idea that he modeled 16 after his late son who was killed by Goku as a child. Perhaps that would have provided a stronger motivating factor (along with flashbacks showing his son getting killed during DB). He could have also wanted to revive the RRA rather than simply avenge it; it would have served as a nice homage to the original DB by reintroducing a past enemy faction. Instead, the RRA was merely a plot device for the creation of the Androids/Cell and was no longer relevant after Gero’s death. Maybe have Gero’s absorption technique mirror that of Cell’s in that he would escape undetected and would absorb people, gaining enough strength to prove a challenge to the Z fighters. Just throwing out some ideas.
@abe336
@abe336 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been going through my first watch of DBZ for the first time and this is the question I’ve been asking through the whole android saga lol
@roodyg5352
@roodyg5352 3 жыл бұрын
This makes things so much clearer lol but either way I’ve always enjoyed the Android/Cell arc!
@Jellysfrickingstuff
@Jellysfrickingstuff 3 жыл бұрын
What’s crazy to me is how unnecessarily strong Gero made the androids if he thought that Goku only had a power level of 9,000-90,000 since he didn’t follow him to namek. I definitely don’t think the humans actually got that strong in super though. They just wanted the characters to have some useful scenes. I definitely don’t think any of the human fighters ever passed frieza level strength.
@Mystigawg
@Mystigawg 3 жыл бұрын
Doctor Gero spied on Goku long enough to see his growth potential. Therefore he calculated how strong the androids needed to be, he kept making more so he could control them. The androids being stronger then Frieza makes sense because they were made for Goku.
@ViltrumiteIsRite99
@ViltrumiteIsRite99 3 жыл бұрын
But Frieza was stronger than Goku at the time of Gero’s data. He didn’t even know of Super Saiyan, nor Frieza, so how would he have planned for it? Gero was only expecting Kaioken.
@Anytyme06
@Anytyme06 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but how did he make them that powerful?
@ViltrumiteIsRite99
@ViltrumiteIsRite99 3 жыл бұрын
@@Anytyme06 Plot That’s the only way.
@MustacheDLuffy
@MustacheDLuffy 3 жыл бұрын
@@ViltrumiteIsRite99 yes but he knew Goku would’ve found some stronger level and make androids that far surpass that
@ViltrumiteIsRite99
@ViltrumiteIsRite99 3 жыл бұрын
@@MustacheDLuffy Gero being shocked by Super Saiyan, while him & his droids get destroyed proves that wrong.
@OneCreator87
@OneCreator87 3 ай бұрын
Another question, why did Gero build a remote that could be taken out of his hands by a faster android? He could've build one within his own brain.
@vigo2669
@vigo2669 3 ай бұрын
1:40 The technology for Dr. Brief's spaceship was based on the pod Goku came to Earth in as a toddler.
@lucazaroli6761
@lucazaroli6761 Жыл бұрын
How did pirates create a robot 300 years ago that could fight goku and krillin?
@dark7element
@dark7element 2 ай бұрын
Asking the real questions
@VenomousJoker9097
@VenomousJoker9097 3 жыл бұрын
But of course. The man made a hot as hell babe and a beautiful dude bro strong enough to beat the shit out of a super saiyan with ease. Gero is one smart ass old man. Man.
@dboy2432
@dboy2432 3 жыл бұрын
Gero was a 70 year old Snoop Dogg
@Yabuturtle
@Yabuturtle 2 ай бұрын
I never thought it was much of a stretch. Bulma as a teen was able to make a dragon ball radar that pin pointed the locations of dragon balls. The red ribbon army and even Frieza's army couldn't even do that. And Gero himself was a super genius among other scientists and made things that even Bulma and her dad couldn't comprehend at first. Not to mention, Gero studied super powered beings constantly for years. It wouldn't be too much for him to come up with some breakthrough like artificial ki which he gave to 17 and 18 and it certainly wouldn't be much of a stretch for him to make someone like Cell, who was created from the cells of the greatest fighters, including Frieza's.
@eggmug562
@eggmug562 3 жыл бұрын
4:56 yes. We call that bad writing
@qwertz3650
@qwertz3650 3 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, Capsule Corp's tech is based on the tech provided by Jaco, which makes me think that human ability may be something of a super learning rather than superintelligence. Which forced by different situations, like a Bulma from the future much more pressured results in the creation of the technology of the time travel machine, or a Dr. Gero from the future who saw Goku fight with Frieza and King Cold, instead of a brief fight with Trunks, which led to more aggressive and apparently more destructive Androids, who killed Gero before building 19 and 20, and surely Cell of the original line would have developed being less powerful since it did not have DNA of a Goku who fought on Namek. Although I know that looking for the logic to an Anime is a bit absurd, I think that this explains better that exception of the beings of the earth, benefited at first with magical objects such as Roshi and Uranai Baba, the dragon balls created by the unnamed Namek, the arrival of Goku / Jaco, then Frieza's DNA, and so on. They have the power of luck xd
@wearblackclothes
@wearblackclothes 3 жыл бұрын
Ok so say...gero builds the andriods. Then cell. And the andriods don't kill him...then what?whats his end game? Does he put them back to sleep until cell is ready to absorb them? Would cell take orders from gero or does cell end up killing him? Say they 17 and 18 kill the z warios and goku and don't kill him. Does he cancel the cell project? Does he leave 17 and 18 in stasis? No no i think his ultimate goal wasn't to kill goku it was world domination and expansion. I think the natural progression of a military mind like his was to build the andriods and then build an army. With the z warriors dead and the worlds governments yielding to him he can now build more androids like 16. No longer in hiding and with much more ease. With 2 he owns the world. And with his life elongated earth becomes to small for him. Augmenting entire armies into walking nuclear weapons he expands into the stars and humanity enters an unprecedented golden age.
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
It'd be a repressive military dictator ship. And Gero didn't want an army. That's why he just made single units like the androids. So earth wouldn't be too small for far too long. And not including rebellions like we saw against black. He'd either be eliminating people and destroying most of the world. We don't know what he'd want after ruling. Maybe make more machines or experiments. The whole thing was probably just ego.
@wearblackclothes
@wearblackclothes 3 жыл бұрын
@@DSan-kl2yc i think single units could have been the limitation of resources in dbz because he was in hiding. He was building them in dragonball for the red ribbon ARMY after all. he build apparently 19 and was working on a 20th (not including 20th himself) and i know the movies aren't canon but imagine 17 doesn't kill him and then he has 4 androids (16,17,18,19) plus the 3 from the super 13 movie. You're suddenly looking at a guy thats building more then a few units. Maybe even rebuilding say a red ribbon army?. It's speculations but it's fun to think about a world where gero gets what he wants.
@felixthescholarlytitan4437
@felixthescholarlytitan4437 3 жыл бұрын
I think the ultimate goal was for Cell to become perfect then for Gero to implant his consciousness into Cell, giving him a powerful undying body that he could rule with.
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
@@wearblackclothes the army was gone so he was just carrying on. A long time ago I read that he saw the power of Goku beat an army so he switched strategies to creating one man armies. Not sure if that was canon or from a guidebook. But I don't think he was going to build an armt because he wouldn't have needed an Android army. Either with himself as an Android or 17-18, he could have taken over the world and just make a normal army for normal stuff. He might have carried on experimenting. But I figure cell is the ultimate end of his creative abilities..it took like 15 or so more years for cell to be finished. If anything he was downsizing androids since 16. And going more Bio.
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
@@wearblackclothes remember that he didn't used any android. Everything after 8 was scrapped. And even 16 was scrapped in the alternate future. 16 was never intended for us. In the main timeline he even decided to not use 17-18. Meaning he purposefully kept the number small and went with just 2 units.
@16floz
@16floz 2 ай бұрын
1:44 the ship goku went to namek was leagues beyond any tech on earth at that point in the series. The only reason Dr. Briefs could build it was because Goku recovered the ship he came to earth in and he used it as a reference.
@Skycrusher
@Skycrusher Жыл бұрын
Humans are so good, they couldn't beat King Piccolo.
@NickMorrison78
@NickMorrison78 3 жыл бұрын
Greatest mind in genetic engineering
@maxfordgaming9278
@maxfordgaming9278 3 жыл бұрын
Dr gero was beyond a genius.
@JSun3000
@JSun3000 3 жыл бұрын
What about in GT?
@maxfordgaming9278
@maxfordgaming9278 3 жыл бұрын
@@JSun3000 he seemed more like an idiot in GT. At least to me.
@WrestlingColin
@WrestlingColin 3 жыл бұрын
I can live with the Androids being as strong they were, it doesn't shatter my immersion. But you can't take the examples you pulled from DBS even remotely seriously in my opinion. The argument "they have immense potential" makes no sense when you consider that Krillin was wounded by a bullet from a gun, and essentially turned around and went toe to toe with Goku. It's absolutely ridiculous. There's a limit to how much you can push a fictional world's internal logic after it's been established.
@Brandon_Mishima
@Brandon_Mishima 3 жыл бұрын
Any of the characters can be hurt with a gun if they’re powered down. Obviously they do this so that they don’t destroy their houses and what not.
@WrestlingColin
@WrestlingColin 3 жыл бұрын
@@Brandon_Mishima Then why was he surprised and depressed after it happened? He acted if it was a reflection of his lapse in training/strength.
@Brandon_Mishima
@Brandon_Mishima 3 жыл бұрын
@@WrestlingColin Probably because he was caught off guard where as before he would have been ready to defend himself.
@stephano2996
@stephano2996 3 жыл бұрын
Goku was also shot by Frieza's servent in dbs because he was "off guard". I completely agree its very contradicting in terms of power scaling. They can destroy planets in a instant and deflect similar beams as well but a random bullet can hurt them.
@sorakh4119
@sorakh4119 3 жыл бұрын
Because it’s all bad writing.
@legofigurereviews9797
@legofigurereviews9797 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Breef’s spaceship was made with the engine of a space pod
@Dilllonm
@Dilllonm 3 жыл бұрын
But it’s way faster , 7 days vs a year travel across space
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
Was it? I don't remember that. I know one pod blew up. But then he made a second one too. So wasn't that from scratch
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 3 жыл бұрын
@@Dilllonm Bulma had TWO examples of FTL tech to study. Kami's Namekian ship, Saiyan battle pods. Also, the big saucer ship Frieza uses seems to have similar tech to battle pods, but is also way faster. It could just be that Battle Pods are like using a motor scooter instead of a jumbo jet.
@SulliP1492
@SulliP1492 2 ай бұрын
Fun fact: The word "Capsule" is misspelled in that episode. You'll see it shortly after he Flys up
@deaththephoenix8395
@deaththephoenix8395 2 ай бұрын
The idea of Dr Gero making a cyborg body for Frieza instead of King Colds men doing it would be an interesting "what if" story.
@shepardn799
@shepardn799 3 жыл бұрын
My actual question is more importantly how did Dr gero move his own brain to a Android body
@saintfisuto1072
@saintfisuto1072 3 жыл бұрын
Android 19 helped him.
@marcusfrazier4923
@marcusfrazier4923 3 жыл бұрын
@@saintfisuto1072 That was risky as f!ck too, because once the brain was removed from his human body - 19 was pretty much on his own to complete the process. What if he malfunctioned at that crucial moment? Would've easily been in the Top 3 of *"Epic Fails of Science"* . 🤣🤣🤣
@joshgroban5291
@joshgroban5291 3 жыл бұрын
good thing 19 was an energy absorbtion model and not infinite energy
@shepardn799
@shepardn799 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention if the anime is anything to go by he was programmed to follow orders one thing went wrong gero would have been screwed
@firesniperbullet2
@firesniperbullet2 3 жыл бұрын
Programing Timed Automation
@Elohist2009
@Elohist2009 3 жыл бұрын
What would’ve made these events more organic was the use of the existing plot: time travel. If 17&18 were from the future, it would make perfect sense for them to be that strong; simply have trunks escape to the past in order to stop them from being made by Gero. Then have 17&18 also travel to the past to destroy Trunks and keep him from ruining their creation. It would be these events that would bring the past Z-fighters and the cyborgs into conflict. However, while everyone is distracted, Gero unleashes Cell, who goes off to another part of the world to gain power. When the Z-fighters catch wind of this, some of them go searching for cell and are beaten while trying to stop him. Cell then enacts his programming and takes advantage of the main battle to absorb 17&18, who would have no idea about Cell’s directive. Perfect cell emerges, and the events could easily play out the same from there.
@michaelhawkins8474
@michaelhawkins8474 Жыл бұрын
You give Frieza 10 years worth of training and he gets a new form. If You Give Dr. Gero 10 years to develop An Android he most definitely can create a model on the level of Grand Priest or at least A God Of Destruction!!!!!
@KaixKurosakii
@KaixKurosakii 3 жыл бұрын
Dr. Gero had a great ass vision I'd love for him to had made me into a model like 17. He even refused to harm krillin and tien when he bumped into them calling them fellow humans if he turned them into androids they wouldve been stronger than 17 and 18 since they already at that point had high ki
@warren010h
@warren010h 2 ай бұрын
I love Gero's theme. When I hear it I immediately think of the scene where Yamcha's about to take a hand through the chest. Shit was brutal! 😅
@clericofchaos1
@clericofchaos1 3 жыл бұрын
the same way everything got stronger than frieza, anime bullshit and plot armor.
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
That's not plot armor. Just plot. And it's a fine trope.
@clericofchaos1
@clericofchaos1 3 жыл бұрын
@@DSan-kl2yc not really. It gets very boring and formulaic after a while.
@pingaspearce9403
@pingaspearce9403 3 жыл бұрын
@@clericofchaos1 no it really is fine The stakes always need to he higher them the previous villain otherwise it's shitty writing to write a new villain that's weaker then the older one Power creep was always going to he an issue in Dragon Ball but it's okay like that Goku will always need to he the underdog and face more Powerful villains If he didn't do that it wouldn't be Dragon Ball
@clericofchaos1
@clericofchaos1 3 жыл бұрын
@@pingaspearce9403 and dragonball sucks. The enemies never needed to get stronger, Frieza should have been the limit. they needed to get smarter. Hell, I thought Moro would be a breath of fresh air because they were finally making use of magic and new fighting mechanics...then it just turned into another slugfest. If you want to actually challenge Goku you need to make him use the one muscle he never exercises, his brain.
@zangvang
@zangvang 3 жыл бұрын
At what point does the stakes just become nonsensical I mean more than it already has. Kid buu was already at galaxy level…anything beyond that just becomes “ok next arc, bring in the next new bad guy” and repeat
@siuqramv3
@siuqramv3 3 жыл бұрын
I’m still bothered by the fact they made 17 strong enough to fight evenly against ssj blue 🤦🏿
@DenniDownBad
@DenniDownBad 3 жыл бұрын
17 was grinding Legacy of Goku style on that island😂😂😂
@ImmortalLemon
@ImmortalLemon 3 жыл бұрын
During the story I’ve written I’ve found it’s more engaging that the power scale doesn’t really climb that much. Yes the most powerful character by the end can use the entire power of a neutron star by himself. But for the most part the scaling is in planning, intelligence, tactics, and most importantly bargaining
@kombijr
@kombijr 2 жыл бұрын
In this house we obey the law of thermodynamics! -Homer
@jaketno
@jaketno 3 жыл бұрын
I can respect the amount of points that you've made in this video and can even agree with some of them. But what gets me on this is if this combat technology (Sticking just with what they can do with weapons/cyborgs etc) has been possible to reach this level, then why couldn't anything else have been done on a micro level in comparison? Let's say that Gero is the best at utilizing combat technology. (and most likely he is) He's able to somehow create beings stronger than Freeza and the Super Saiyans. As you've stated before Earthlings in general are more technologically advanced on average than most would give them credit for. But if this technology was technically possible, then why couldn't military scientists do anything against the likes of Nappa during the invasion arc (Bulma's family even knew that the invasion would happen in advance) , or King Piccolo in the OG DB? Both of these examples are much much weaker than Freeza or Super Saiyans and it just seems like a huge logic jump for something like the cyborgs/androids being able to exist to me. Obviously not saying that all scientists need to get on Gero's level. He's the best for a reason. But even if someone was the tiniest fraction as good as he was, they should be able to take care of or at least create weapons equal to much weaker problems like Nappa or Piccolo.
@MsMRkv
@MsMRkv 2 жыл бұрын
Plot
@blindprophet182
@blindprophet182 3 жыл бұрын
The real question is how dr gero is so good at making cyborgs that the eternal dragon that can bring back the dead or exploded planets but can't turn his cyborgs back to human. I think itd more toryiamas thinking well we beat the strongest flesh and blood how about robots next.
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 3 жыл бұрын
There's actually an explanation for that. The dragon can't do it without killing them. It's not that he's not powerful enough to affect them, but he's unwilling to use his powers to kill someone directly.
@combativeThinker
@combativeThinker 3 жыл бұрын
@@marhawkman303 It’s not that he’s unwilling, it’s that he can’t. Shenron can’t kill someone who is more powerful than his creator (and Dende was a lot weaker than the androids).
@marhawkman303
@marhawkman303 3 жыл бұрын
@@combativeThinker Hmm perhaps. hard to be sure though.
@spacesharkfrausto7915
@spacesharkfrausto7915 3 жыл бұрын
Even Moro was impressed that there were artificial humans built .
@dylansylvester4719
@dylansylvester4719 Жыл бұрын
"Faster than light space travel". Yea that dr briefs reverse engineered
@jermainelightbody8264
@jermainelightbody8264 3 жыл бұрын
He didn’t even know who freeza was or what even what a super Saiyan is. Strong yes but at that level no, it’s just bad story telling. But we love dragonball anyways. The author wasn’t that smart lol
@addster124
@addster124 3 жыл бұрын
he doesnt need to know who they are as long as their power is recorded.
@jermainelightbody8264
@jermainelightbody8264 3 жыл бұрын
@@addster124 that’s not how science works lol. There last power last record at was at 35,000 at max. Freeza in 1st form was over 1 million. Why would be build 2 robots power level way over 1 million to even beat freeza when he nvr saw freeza. That’s not how science works. And in that amount of time is not reasonable. It’s just bad writing but it’s not real so he can do w/e to try to make a reasonable excuse u must have issues lol
@YoMamaBih
@YoMamaBih 3 жыл бұрын
Why do we believe the falsehood that Krillin is the strongest human when he's weaker than Tien? This man Krillin literally stopped training twice.
@gioc2512
@gioc2512 3 жыл бұрын
Krillin had his inner potential unlocked on Namek which put him way above the other human Z fighters
@ViltrumiteIsRite99
@ViltrumiteIsRite99 3 жыл бұрын
@@gioc2512 That Namek feat is nothing compared to Tien blowing back 2nd form Cell.
@gioc2512
@gioc2512 3 жыл бұрын
@@ViltrumiteIsRite99 He didn't blow him back it literally took everything he had just to keep him from leaving. Tien almost died just doing that
@floridafan561
@floridafan561 3 жыл бұрын
Krillin went toe to toe with goku blue…
@ViltrumiteIsRite99
@ViltrumiteIsRite99 3 жыл бұрын
@@gioc2512 Yes, by blowing him back. Did you watch the scene? Cell was forced into submission with forceful ki. Don’t be pendantic over wording. You know what happened.
@xExotic
@xExotic 2 ай бұрын
I think a lot of people tend to look for in-universe, explanations, firstly, but you summarized it pretty well at the end👍
@V555Vendetta
@V555Vendetta Ай бұрын
Humans in anime: Giga chad species Humans irl: Cheems
@vulgardisplayofpink5668
@vulgardisplayofpink5668 3 жыл бұрын
How tf do they have "infinite energy", wouldn't that mean they would be stronger than Zeno?
@h8thegr8
@h8thegr8 3 жыл бұрын
“Infinite Energy” = Unlimited Ki & Stamina.
@abney_66
@abney_66 3 жыл бұрын
No, they still got a base power level. It doesn't change even if they train
@RP-zl5ix
@RP-zl5ix 3 жыл бұрын
They have infinite Energy reserves but their output is limited. Dragonball works like this according to Daizenshuu and Toriyama interview: 1) You have energy reserves but you can only store a certain amount of Ki in your body. 2) the more Ki you store in your body the stronger you get , effectively surpassing your physical limitations 3) Androids have unlimited reserves while normal fighters have limited reserves 4) The more Ki you store , the harder it is to control, effectively leaking out and forming an Aura ( That's why perfected SSB is the form with the best Ki control because there is no Aura. You keep all Ki inside yourself) 5) Too much Ki can enlarge your muscles ( Frieza , Moro , Trunks) and may end up killing you. ( Saganbo) This happens if your Ki control sucks. 6) Super Saiyan/ Kaioken etc can temporarily increase your Ki Cap by a multiplier
@KameronDAaron
@KameronDAaron 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly, the whole concept never made sense to me. Toriyama was on that perk.😂🤦
@DSan-kl2yc
@DSan-kl2yc 3 жыл бұрын
Umm it makes sense. It's a story. Its a change to a different type of story. Back to earth. And if Goku beat the strongest natural fighter, you need an artificially created one.
@cloudit305
@cloudit305 3 жыл бұрын
I remember seeing the time Goku as a kid fought the pirate robot and being surprised because before that no one could take tank a punch by Goku and be unfazed by it. I thought of it as a bit of foreshadowing (or just repeated material) for the Android saga.
@riftanime_
@riftanime_ 3 жыл бұрын
Think about it guys. Gero knew about the Kaioken and knew it was a multiplyer. He also knew that Goku & the other saiyans had crazy growth rate. So the best way to handle that was to make fighters SO POWERFUL that even the kaioken wouldn’t be able to catch up even if Goku somehow pushed it to x50.
@nicosuave9310
@nicosuave9310 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe he just used the growth and power data and just made some calculated predictions.
@hiddenexperiment605
@hiddenexperiment605 3 жыл бұрын
I said this but it's still ain't adding up.I think Dr gero made the Artificial humans that strong base on the fact Cell was so strong due to the DNA of Freeza,King cold and others.
@nicosuave9310
@nicosuave9310 3 жыл бұрын
@@hiddenexperiment605 Does Trunks interference with the timeline have something to do with this? Trunks even said that they were stronger than the androids of his timeline, so maybe coming back had an adverse effect? Also, Didn't Gero have surveillance and data collecting drones at that time when Trunks came to Earth, so why didn't he know about the Super Saiyan form? Did he just get the power and DNA data from Frieza and King Cold and just made an assumption of the growth? It's just weird to me...
@hiddenexperiment605
@hiddenexperiment605 3 жыл бұрын
@@nicosuave9310 Yea it does.Trunks he could fight them fairly in his timeline and he probably giving them a run for their money while fighting both at the same time while in timeline 1 the Artificial Humans don't need to break a sweat beating trunks One on One.Honestly it seems that Gero didn’t really keep up-to-date on the Cell project’s progress on who's DNA that cell had, thereby missing critical data about Freeza and the Super Saiyan transformation. All he knew is that cell had powerful beyond Dr gero imagination.
@nicosuave9310
@nicosuave9310 3 жыл бұрын
@@hiddenexperiment605 ok.
@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece
@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece 3 ай бұрын
It's almost weird how Toriyama never cared about any consistency. But he did implement a variant of time travel that does not break everything and causes paradoxes left and right. On the other hand it fits perfectly into his style. I guess that is just proof that in the end it was pretty intentional and he was just very aware of his limitations. The Doctor Slump Manga and fan post segments also hint to this
@TrollCapAmerica
@TrollCapAmerica 2 ай бұрын
Tat was about what I always thought. He was studying them as they grew in power and there are 7 Androids we never even see in before the Cell Saga. They likely slowly rose in power as the fights he was able to study before he switched to organic models when the strongest atifical one proved to be problematic
@quiet1050
@quiet1050 3 жыл бұрын
Androids 16,17,18 and cell where backups just incase he failed in his initial attack
@Laughwithmelol
@Laughwithmelol Ай бұрын
Well, since he had alien technology, I think that’s how he built a spaceship
@Vanilladye
@Vanilladye 2 ай бұрын
Why isn't anyone talking about the tiny ladybug machine that Gero explains went around for years collecting data on Goku's battles, up to and including frieza's arrival on earth? This is how he was able to collect Frieza's cells to make Cell.
@stephenmartinez1
@stephenmartinez1 3 ай бұрын
I LOVE android 17 & 18 in dragon ball super’s tournament of power. 17 was the last man standing and chose the ultimate selfless wish. I love how their unique fighting was fully explored during the 40 or so episodes. Their energy is infinite, it was fully explained. They quite literally can not become tired. brute force and physical injury to their bodies are the only ways to take them down. They made for some truly powerful fighters in the tournament.
@recca7
@recca7 3 жыл бұрын
He read gathering data from the fighters the entire time with those little fly things
@OmnipotentSaiyan
@OmnipotentSaiyan 3 жыл бұрын
I still want to know how did he put his brain in a Android body if he had no help?
@voidatic3074
@voidatic3074 3 жыл бұрын
02:50 was that gunta from adventure time but in alien form
@mrsdsparky
@mrsdsparky 3 ай бұрын
Ok. You have a valid point. This is definitely the best argument as to how Dr. Gero was able to build androids stronger than Frieza.
@harley8047
@harley8047 19 күн бұрын
I'd like to point out that technically Aliens have "Gravity Rooms". Their space ships have something that produces 1G since they can walk around while their ship is in space
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