How Did Each Traitor Primarch Fall to Chaos? | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@majorkill]

What does it take to make a bunch of supremely intelligent demi gods sell their souls to hell? Not much apparently.... Sell your soul to hell here : www.patreon.com/majorkill

[@that1calledsam288]

Male pattern baldness

[@chuck2703]

Legend has it that horus turned after choas showed him a way to get his hair back.

[@dannyg2542]

unlimited games and no games.

[@rexlumontad5644]

UNLIMITED POWER!

[@samuelpernusch7702]

Actually broke my toe by stubing it.

[@rexlumontad5644]

Perturabo: "NOTICE ME!!!" Emperor of Mankind: "Nooooooo...."

[@Trapsarentgay133]

Mediocre

[@МахамбетМамыров]

A TFS reference

[@joperhop]

more like Perturabo: "Notice me" Emperor of mankind: "you hear anything Rogal?" Rogal Dorn: "No father, i heard nothing"

[@shubaduck2533]

Vegeta to Trunks

[@Irmarinen]

Emperor: Don't make me come up there and be a parent! Pertorabo: First time for everything!

[@LuxiBelle]

I've been watching this channel long enough to know the answer is baldness.

[@thedyingmeme6]

Magnus is the opposite of bald tho lmao

[@maxwell7942]

The day majorkill starts balding will be the end of this entire channel.

[@Im18NowYayHAHA]

What do you mean "the day" you mean already?

[@Demicleas]

@@thedyingmeme6 Magnus has fake hair and fulgrim is balding.

[@joshuagraham1476]

@@Demicleas damn, beat me to it.

[@UselessDischarge]

Considering Angron's backstory, the most surprising thing about him turning traitor is that anyone could at anypoint consider him loyal to big E

[@robertnelson9599]

Angron's backstory is dumber than when those Grey Knights coated their armor in the blood of Sisters of Battle.

[@UselessDischarge]

@@robertnelson9599 The only thing I would consider dumb in Angron's backstory is the Emperor's needless cruelty towards the gladiators, it would have been so easy to beam them all up and allow them to be in Angron's legion, like he did with most of his other sons and their followers.

[@dewaynemcclure]

I think a good fan theory is that the Emperor being such a powerful psyker and was fighting a shadow war against Chaos could tell Khorne had his hand in Angron's upbringing on Nuceria and was willing to sell him out in the civil war he and Malcador had already planned for.

[@Lazrael32]

@@dewaynemcclure yes. it's almost guaranteed that he knew some sons would fall to chaos. he knew it had to happen. and was sure angron would be one. i think the only big surprise for him was fulgrim. I think he expected the khan to fall. but since they were switched by chaos, it went different

[@alexanderstrickland9036]

@@UselessDischargethat some of the primarchs would eventually rebel was always part of the plan; angron and other similarly hyper martial primarchs were to be phased out( Jagatai, Perty, And the like), hence why some were treated like shit.

[@rexlumontad5644]

*thumbnail* Three Phases of Horus Lupercal: 1. The Luna Wolf 2. The Warmaster 3. The Arch-Traitor

[@bigiron7500]

White to green to black

[@bigiron7500]

Hold up how the fuck did Horus grow hair during the Warmaster stage

[@WR288]

@@bigiron7500 I guess he chose to be shaven before and only lost the ability to regrow it after going full chaos.

[@DimoB8]

@@bigiron7500 Its a wig , he was very ashamed of his hair loss

[@SirAdrian87]

@@bigiron7500 The laurel leaf crown did it.

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

The entire Horus Heresy storyline is one giant lesson on what happens to kids if you’re too distant as a father.

[@icesoul17z]

Also, a lesson in not picking favorites. Like Angron and Perty could have been so easily avoided.

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

@@icesoul17z All parents have a favorite child. It’s just proper manners to never openly say who it is, especially not in front of the others.

[@MarianoRyu]

@@icesoul17z Angron could never have been avoided. His fate was sealed the very moment the Emperor whisked him away. (See: Ghost of Nuceria)

[@datrickster8674]

Or don’t give them time to teach them or really raise them yourself.

[@worldeater2414]

@@MarianoRyu GoN is a sad excuse to try to save face for Emps, and it isn't even a good excuse at that.

[@epithed-boi4961]

How Mortarion fell is when the Big E sent him down to the local shop to get milk and he discovered soy milk

[@voidstrider801]

The Emperor: Mortarion, clean your room and take a shower. Mortarion: Reeeeeeeeeee! (chugs soy milk) The Emperor: Why are you like this?

[@IvanksMW]

I personally think Alpha Legion are playing both sides abd trying to create a perpetual stalemate so none of the 2 futures can pass, Chaos doesn't ultimately win but also humanity doesn't perish

[@cheeseburger12]

Interesting theory. Don't know if I'll headcannon it. It does make more sense then believing the aliens. I think I'm going with Alpha Legion going undercover. And then with its secretive nature elements of the Legion not really knowing what it's strategy is.

[@michelalt5074]

i heard that alpharius was pro cabale and omegon was contra

[@cheeseburger12]

@@michelalt5074 I just read his primarch book. It might be the opposite of that. Good luck trying to figure it out!

[@datrickster8674]

Idk I think they’re egging it on enough to the point where they can rise up and beat chaos or whatever. They could secretly talk with Guilliman about their plan but try not to provoke his suspicion and say no. They could then go and team up to try n save the remaining primarchs, hopefully succeed, and then find a way to get the fallen primarchs too. Idk tho lol

[@cheeseburger12]

@@datrickster8674 the thing is, they've mostly laid low the last 10k years. That is a long time. Now, if we theorize both primarchs are dead, it's very likely that different cells have conflicting ideas of what the primary mission is yet are still loyal to each other. That would be kind of funny and fit the memes. The other older theory was Alpharious was evil and killed and the other brother trying to control a corrupted Legion. But the primarch book hints that's unlikely that Alpharious could have turned. One way or another, Alpharious is working for the Imperium. If he is alive.

[@captainbean9733]

I like how half the traitor primarchs either regretted joining chaos or don't like chaos mutations. Kinda ironic

[@robertnelson9599]

And yet they did nothing to stop it.

[@DJDEVILHULKvideos]

If I'm remembering this correctly, you forgot to mention that Big E left Angron's family (Or at least what he considered a family) to die in battle, rather than come down and actually save them all. In my honest opinion, despite the butcher's nails, if Big E saved Angron AND his family of gladiator slaves, then he would've most likely stayed loyalist.

[@Lazrael32]

i like to think he didn't save them because he wanted to get help for his son as soon as possible. but then found out it wasn't possible.

[@-TheMachineGod-]

There was a conversation Big E had with a custodian about this, he said he left Angron’s family to die because if he brought them up with Angron or helped them defeat the slavers Angron would not be driven by his hatred for anything and would die

[@curtismcpsycho8212]

@@-TheMachineGod- Sounds like Big E likes making his least favorites suffer.

[@-TheMachineGod-]

@@curtismcpsycho8212 yeah, he really isn’t a good dad

[@jeffy1862]

@@-TheMachineGod-That is the most brain dead take for a guy that’s supposed to be an ancient super genius. Idiot plot moments like this are so much worse when you’re character is supposed to be a genius.

[@doublep1980]

To quote The Joker from Alan Moore's ''Killing Joke'': ''All it takes is one bad day....''

[@patrik9328]

So true

[@AltoStratusX1]

Except Joker gets proved wrong. He couldn't break Gordon or the Bat in the Killing Joke and again fails in The Dark Knight. Unless you take the non canon theory ending where Batman actually breaks his neck at the end. Don't get me wrong, it's a pretty badass line and is true sometimes but it's definitely not universal.

[@conradlorgar5508]

@@AltoStratusX1 and its a work of fiction by the same logic you could point to 40k and say joker is proven right

[@ieatpeopleand]

"If I'm going to have an origin story, I prefer mine to be multiple choice." Alpharious and Omegon approve this message.

[@rexlumontad5644]

3:50 *when seeing the Loyalist Fulgrim Clone* Daemon Primarch Fulgrim: "Is that me? Is that me with more fabulous hair than me?! I'LL F*CKING KILL ME!"

[@thefeleapz4144]

Magnus: I punched one of his hearts out! WHY DOES NO ONE REMEMBER THAT?!?!

[@tomj.1058]

Leman: Because I have more than one heart, you however, only have one spine

[@tonitapola7811]

@@tomj.1058 Intresting point. Maybe if Emperor would had given his sons some extra spines Magnus would had stayed whole and loyal in the end.

[@thedemoman88]

Russ: “Nobody can remember that because the SOUND OF YOUR SPINE CRACKING IS STILL ECHOING!”

[@TheRABIDdude]

@@tomj.1058 This is such a good comment, made me laugh aloud XD

[@daemonofdecay]

Perty has one of the most believable falls, since it’s not a tragic poem, but based in mundane human emotions: rejection, anger, jealousy, loss, and guilt. No dong swords needed.

[@janherby4175]

I always felt like perty was stannis baratheon pushed too far over the edge In the GOT books stannis is compared to iron, he would break before he bent to someone else Well good old peter turbo broke and turned traitor

[@alexanderblankenship5813]

Everybody shits on the Iron warriors until you realize they're the only thing keeping your failure of a rebellion on track and rolling...

[@miketempler8111]

Ohhh man

[@heathermillsphantomlimb9314]

Playing devils advocate here, they were worshippers of the Gods of Chaos. It’s not like he didn’t know what he was getting into. When you think Chaos, you don’t really imagine well strategized skirmish lines and perfect discipline. It’s kinda like being surprised when someone gets shithouse drunk, then falls out of their chair and pukes on your shoes.

[@namelessking4146]

So the Iron warriors are redeemable? Or are they really just a thorn in the Imperium’s side?

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

Ikr? Emp Children were fucking terrible, as were the World Eaters. Perty was the only reason they even came relatively close

[@heathermillsphantomlimb9314]

@@butHomeisNowhere___ hey now, the Emperor’s Children do have Fabius Bile, and he’s pretty awesome. You gotta give credit to a guy who figured out how to grind up humans to make crazy drugs. It might not have helped the Heresy too much, but it was pretty nifty, anyway. Lol

[@pentacosttb2565]

I hold that either 'Fulgrim' is lying, and that the Daemon worked out how to pass itself off and permanently take Fulgrims body, and/or the real Fulgrims untainted soul transfered to the Clonegrim body, and what's left in Snakegrim is just the tainted memories and earp fuckery.

[@flarp6699]

I mean in lore when someone ascends to demon prince it replaces the soul with raw warp stuff, and if I’ve been interpreting lore the right way the soul is more or less ones consciousness you could argue that the moment they ascend there where no longer there true selves and rather basically a monster wearing there skin with there memory’s

[@manepepe4776]

Same

[@1krani]

​@@flarp6699 Would make sense for the ultimate betrayal of Chaos. Even if you somehow win, you still lose.

[@ComradeRumHam]

Just an FYI Magnus falls to chaos is a different way now, the fury of Magnus changes it. The emperor offers Magnus redemption when Magnus break into the throne room and says only he can be redeemed. Magnus would have to abandon all of the thousand sons, Magnus refuses this because he can’t bring him self to abandon his sons and thus falls to chaos.

[@De_La_Evo]

wat

[@awesome1lunger441]

Chad Magnus

[@ComradeRumHam]

@@De_La_Evo it’s in the Fury on Magnus, Magnus also kills Malcador and has an awesome fight with Vulcan

[@11Survivor]

@@ComradeRumHam woah woah what He can't kill malcador!

[@De_La_Evo]

@@ComradeRumHam UUUUM WHAT

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

Magnus: the ultimate example of being in too deep from a bad decision, and then doubling down because you may as well own it.

[@tomtheconqerur]

Noticed that only the tragic Primarchs had hair while the others suffered from Male Pattern Baldness.

[@matthewosterman9030]

You don’t need hair to be a badass

[@TheAnon03]

One interesting point of the Word Bearers kneeling, it's possible that the Emperor didn't do it with overwhelming psychic might but the main cause for their kneeling was precisely because they looked to him as a god which in turn greatly increased the power he had over them.

[@popovski4385]

from what I've heard, the Big E made them kneel INFRONT of the Ultramarines, which was really fucking embarassing so I doubt they did it out of their free will.

[@jddi1527]

Interesting

[@ethanhopkins3263]

Horus literally had eyes on his armor from the start? I wonder if perturabo ever saw horus armor and thought it looked like the eye of chaos

[@ethanhopkins3263]

I also kinda wish we never told who was in control of fulgrims body (him or the demon) until we knew about the clone fulgrim then id be like "oh shit fulgrim is still loyal hes just being controlled, what a badass" nope hes just a shit snake

[@DankworthBalthazar]

Yeah, one of the writers thought he was real clever and made the "Eye of Terra" (as in the eye of the aquila head that has it's eye) a major imperial symbol before the Eye of Terror was ever explored or named. Supposed to symbolize that the Emperor is always watching or something. Horus used a stylized version as his sigil, which became the chaos-star eye used by chaos marines all over the galaxy, which is why it's fallen out of favor in the Imperium. Sanguinius used it too: had a ton of them all over his armor, but he modified the pupil to look like a blood drop. Look at the famous picture of Big E confronting Horus over Hawkboy's corpse. Hawkboy has the blood-drop eye on his shoulder and waist, while Horus has the normal one on his chest and waist with the Chaos version hanging between his legs.

[@synergy8879]

perty: *takes one look* “YO WHAT THE FUC-“

[@alterego9082]

Honestly i think i feel sorry for Sanguinius in all of this: he loved Horus i had to fight him, he mentored Curze and he became insane, just best Primarch does not deserve such things happening to him

[@alperakyuz9702]

Best primarch is roboute guilliman smh.

[@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221]

@@alperakyuz9702 Good Primarch, but nah, he is definitely not the best.

[@FNoelle124]

@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 fr, these people clearly forgot crow daddy exists

[@alperakyuz9702]

@@FNoelle124 does he have a big tiddy eldar girlfriend?

[@simplysage3562]

Fuck that Vulcan is best

[@malikallen7495]

Man you really would have thought that Big E would have remembered to give the Primarchs all of their chromosomes...

[@kenrudd6362]

he gave some one too many

[@jesusisherelookbusy]

Talking of having bad days; a great uncle of mine had his wife give him divorce papers whilst he was in hospital dying from cancer. Yeah rough.

[@johnlavery3433]

That’s just cruel. Worse case senario she could have a least waited.

[@footrot17]

2 days after my dad's funeral I came home from nightshift to find my gf had left and taken most of my shit. Never heard from her again. Her name funny enough was Destiny haha

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@footrot17 should've reported her to the cops

[@kenrudd6362]

@@footrot17 that wasnt your girlfriend that WAS destiny

[@ernimuja6991]

Did he fall to chaos though?

[@dmitrykhvostik5975]

Cabal: Yay, we made it. Alpha Legion is working for us. Omegon in the end of Deliverance Lost: Oh, I don't think so.

[@LordyT34]

I would be very interested in seeing a redemption story for some of the Traitor Primarchs like Fulgrim or Magnus

[@mcarrowtime7095]

Yeah, but then they couldn’t milk the thousand sons and emperors children, which are the few playable chaos space marine legions if I’m not mistaken (the ones that have their own codex, anyway). Besides, then chaos would be pretty screwed

[@stoicly]

“ No Derek around to help stop it.” That’s fantastic

[@MrPOPO-hc5br]

that mpmd reference was unexpected but very much appreciated

[@blademaker9843]

I saw and clicked faster than Horus’s hair disappeared.

[@matthewosterman9030]

I’m bald

[@nobodyspecial9097]

Alpharius: “Cause GW killed SODAZ who also happened to be Alpharius”

[@Vaw.]

“What would’ve happened if Horus was subscribed to MorePlatesMoreDates?”

[@paulpolito2001]

Mind. Blown.

[@DasOrmur]

Supraphysiological doses of warp stuff, and clomid to prevent gyno.

[@SteelRealm]

Yes please

[@thomasmcharles9319]

"Like, what the fuck dude"

[@anthonys134]

I did not expect to see mpmd here

[@runecowman]

I just love the idea that the Aphla legion's plans are so deep and complicated that even Tzeetch doesn't know for sure which side they are on

[@MR.LMR1996]

If Magnus remained Loyalist, I'm under the opinion that the Alpha Legion would've been the Legion Tzeetch would've tried to claim for himself.

[@josephboustany4852]

My problem with the horus heresy is that large parts of it can be summed up with "warp spaghetti"

[@TheRABIDdude]

Wibbly wobbly warpy whimey stuff

[@legatereme1983]

Argron Petrorabo and Magnus are the only ones who have a somewhat reasonable fall to chaos

[@MrDarkweaver]

I'd add Konrad Curze to that list. I mean he was an evil twisted scumbag, but if you read the lore you can really understand how and why he became what he did. Prince of Crows, Lightning Tower, and a couple of others from the Horus Heresy anthologies.

[@legatereme1983]

@@MrDarkweaver ok thanks

[@23tovarm5]

For Angron, he is definitely justified

[@ShadowknightEX]

Angron is more of a borderline. It definitely has more to do with the Butcher’s nails than anything.

[@thatotherguy8138]

@@ShadowknightEX Can't have Angron without the Nails, tho - those nails make it, sadly, an inevitability that Angron would turn traitor. Either with a full Rebellion like under Horus, or just at the end of his usefulness, when Russ and the Wolves were finally sent to annihilate Angron and the World Eaters, Angron would eventually going to have to fight against the other Legions. Horus just sped that confrontation up.

[@scottdixon2505]

Perturabo: notice me daddy!! Emperor: Rogal is such an awesome son. Perturabo: >:(

[@miketempler8111]

Jeeeeeesus

[@godofemergencyfood5432]

Lorgar be like: DaDdY wOnT aCcEpT bEiNg A gOd

[@meepy546]

ErEbUs gO fEtCh mE sOmE mOrE ChOiR bOYs

[@godofemergencyfood5432]

@@meepy546 GoNnA mAkE tHeM wOrD bEaReRs AfTeR i PuMp ThEm WiTh My ’GeNeSeEd’

[@ivangrozny496]

Emperor: "will you listen, I am not the messiah!" Lorgar: "only the true messiah denies his divinity" Emperor: "what? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? Alright, I am the messiah" Lorgar: "he is, he is the messiah!" Emperor: "now, fuck off!" *pause* Lorgar: "how shall I fuck off, o lord?"

[@TheNemesis432]

@Auf Wiedersehen! In turn making him wrong...

[@SgtThiel]

I think the murder of Ferrus still haunts Fulgrim. So he tells himself that it was the right decision all along so he doesn't have to deal with the pain his consciousness inflicts on him, it is just a facade

[@BuenButter6211]

Curze has to have the most obvious "this guy's fucking insane" face and no one kept him on a constant watch or you know, expected him to become a mess of a Primarch, I love him

[@jeremytitus9519]

How did they fall to chaos? Dumb, shallow, not-very-good writing from the GW old guard, that’s how. Horus Heresy is goofy as hell. I love it.

[@weerakadechernkwankaew2303]

Theory: fulgrim is actually wearing a wig Untill the chao offer him a hair so he join traitor to get hair

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

You know what I want to see? Chin chin vs the ruinous powers. Who would win?

[@Milk192]

Chin Chin would solo the freaking Warp and silver tape the Omnissiah's soul whilst cracking a few dad jokes with the Honk God. 10/10

[@rexxar90000]

Look at how many dimension wars it took to pacify chin chin. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.

[@RezaVV1]

Ore wa ochinchin ga daisuki nandayo

[@Ratich]

I think Fulgrim's possession allowed for the corruption of his soul. While a Primarch possess really strong willpower and fortitude they can still be corrupted by chaos, so when the Daemon took control of him that's when his soul was corrupted by Slaanesh and while through his willpower he was able to beat the Daemon the damage had already been done. Whilst his fall was one of the dumbest I think that his fate was signed the moment he picked up the sword, it was the corruption that didn't allow him to put down the sword, that's how Chaos works and you know this better than anyone, it's a subtle and slow process, some are able to resist it but not all are as incorruptible.

[@ufuker5754]

You shouldn't be here

[@imaclone2]

For the love of the Emperor, Chronological order is the order in which the events occurred, it doesn't mean numerical order like you keep trying to use it.

[@xenostim]

Lmfao fr, I just commented the same thing. Its like that one friend who keeps misusing the word "literally ". Or "ironic"

[@jslrnzrbntn]

The legion's number is the chronology of their creation

[@xenostim]

@@jslrnzrbntn well shit don't I look like an ass now lol. Pretty obvious now that you say it

[@derrickcramer4277]

Came for Majorkill, stayed for the heresy, cheered at the unexpected Derek MPMD feature.

[@raisttlyn]

My favorite Aussie is getting comfortable on those opens. BTW anyone else hearing like a boxy echo to his voice after the opening?

[@yeetguy4635]

Supraphysiological amount of chaos-grade heresy. Must deploy efficaious amount of purging

[@stevenhewes1990]

I never knew just how many fellow PED users were also fans of MK.

[@godsingodsin8408]

Morty was because he was denied a true death in overcoming his past poison and to breath free truly but win or lose then the emperor took it away like angron….two great primarcs denied great futures

[@davecolwell725]

They’ve put a bit more into fulgrim story in the recent siege books. He says he sort of had to make a deal with the demon to get out of the painting or that he couldn’t get rid of it totally so it more likely seems like the way he escaped the painting was to have their essences mix. The real Fulgrim died the moment he killed Ferrus.

[@sblibs]

Saying “coz 40k” is good enough reason.

[@scoe5908]

1:47 love seeing The Golden One pop up in random 40K videos, Gluhrious.

[@elYIiLy]

dude imagine if instead of anggron we had an infinitely more likable, sensible, and interesting character who only went batshit mad after he fell and didn't meet his legion with nails in his brain, like somebody who didn't begin existing as "I'm going to serve the blood god, because I'm pissed off all the time fuck everything rip and tear"

[@wephilips6651]

Angron is both simultaneously the most and least believable fall. It’s easy to imagine a psycho like him falling as he was basically fallen already but it’s hard to believe the emperor couldn’t see how fucked he was and even harder to believe that he would have abducted him on his home planet rather than just join in and help him. If chaos didn’t exist angron would have still gone bad eventually. I agree with your comment - bit more tragedy or nuance would have been welcomed

[@Erzkreutz]

whenever i have rough day - major kill uploads and makes me smile again. thanks major kill.

[@daveroe4961]

The shitting blood bit is a suspiciously specific example.

[@vinnylatoria4478]

I think Magnus has best fall, Magnus did what he did was for his Sons, he wanted to protect them from the Flesh Change by ANY means necessary.

[@Grabthar191]

I think I feel sorry the most for Fulgrim and Magnus. Fulgrim was basically brainwashed from inside his own head. Mags just got screwed over for good intentions, trying to warn his father of the coming rebellion about to come down on him. I wonder how different things would have turned out had Russ actually got some confirmation about Mags before trying to wipe him out. Although I think Russ might have just been looking for an excuse.

[@retts75]

I've never read a Warhammer 40k book, or played a game, board or PC. And yet I love listening to these vids

[@louisjoy8061]

This should be a 10 second video that just has one word “bald”

[@michaeld4326]

basically horus injected supraphysiological amounts of exogenous chaosterone into his literal bros and didnt use finasteride

[@Reason-g2t]

What

[@zachdew9gaming985]

@@Reason-g2t this is as simple and straightforward as a sentence gets. Whats hard to understand?

[@codyevett2098]

He took too much Chaos and didn’t treat his baldness.

[@andrew-rn9ui]

​@ZachDew9 Gaming lmao look at bros name English is probably his 3rd language 😅

[@martinratagris]

I really liked this video. And if you would consider a suggestion, a great follow up could be the times Chaos temted or tried to corrupt the loyalists Primarchs and how they failed.

[@neonblacksmith]

The part about Horus not having Derrick from MorePlateMoreDates to help him with his hair loss problem was fucking hilarious. Literally laughed out loud 🤣

[@michellewilt4479]

Perty and Dorn were told "do your homework, then go play builder" the reason Dorn was favored was because he did his homework, while Perty was the kid who threw his books on the ground and peed on them and then ripped up Dorns homework.

[@angelusumbra5741]

Regardless of the changes in lore over the years, the shortest answers are a whole lot of tragedy and pain. Yeah some were more arguably justified than others in their falls, but they all are were tragic. Especially the four who fell fully to a dark god. No one deserves Chaos taking their soul. No one. And although I doubt they can be saved, I hope they can all be released through death like Horus was. Oblivion is better than an eternity of Chaos.

[@ReasonableSwampMonster]

the mpmd reference was unexpected but very much welcome

[@big100kk]

Lol that MPMD reference

[@coachnobody3232]

Love the random MPMD reference

[@mii-kun1143]

Lorgars motive was to get more choir boys Angrons motive was to not get aborted or being too angry Fulgrims motive was to get some chaos hussy Alpharius Omegons motive was to... uhhh Horus' motive was to gain more white child authority and save his receding hairline Perturabos motive was to 1 up Rogal Dorn and build something for once Mortarions motive was to smell something decent Konrad Curzes motive was to be as edgy as possible Magnus' motive was to be a good boy (redeem my man)

[@thatotherguy8138]

Alpharius' motive for joining Chaos and the Rebellion was to Save the Empire and the Emperor from a Worse Fate. Which was close to what Omegon claimed was Alpharius' motivations when Omegon was impersonating Alpharius after Alpharius was killed by Dorn, but Omegon thought that Alpharius was trying to dodge the prophesy too by only appearing to join Chaos. Which is also what Alpharius said when he was impersonating a Alpha Legion Astartes while serving Omegon who was impersonating Alpharius after Alpharius was killed by Dorn, except he thought that it was actually joining Chaos to dodge the prophesy, not just appearing to join Chaos. And what Omegon said was Alpharius' motivations when Omegon was disagreeing with Alpharius and deciding to actually rebel against the Emperor because Horus was the best way to stop that prophesy, and that after a few hundred years of observation, Alpharius could easily take out Horus right after, no Chaos required. The way Alpharius reacted to Omegon's description of his motivation was to say that Chaos was required, and that it had to be a true pledge of loyalty to chaos so that his hand would be steady, and that Omegon would be able to pull him back from Chaos when the deed was done. Which is what the Astartes who was impersonating Alpharius told Omegon when Omegon was impersonating an Astartes, and ordering Omegon to fall to Chaos with those under his direct command. But Omegon, while impersonating an Astartes, realized that he would need to make sure that not all of his Astartes fell to Chaos, so he impersonated an Astartes impersonating Alpharius to order half of his most loyal squad to only appear to fall to Chaos but to NOT fall to Chaos, so that they could save Alpharius - who was himself - when the time was right. That Astartes who was impersonating Omegon impersonating Alpharius thought this plan wasn't quite up to their usual quality, and so decided to involve a few normal humans in it just in case things went south, because that Astartes realized he was impersonating Omegon (who didn't exist) impersonating Alpharius, and wasn't quite certain that Omegons plans had enough plans within those plans within those plans to truly live up to the Alpha Legion standards. tl;dr : Somewhere along the way, the Alpha Legion forgot that Alpharius was killed by Dorn.

[@dukeofduckingham5480]

@@thatotherguy8138 brainhurts from reading this help

[@conan2096]

alpharius motive to level up his sneak and confusion stats enough to out plot tzeench

[@thatotherguy8138]

@@dukeofduckingham5480 If you say "I am Alpharius" it will all make sense.

[@donshipman8441]

It sure is nice having coffee every morning with the Major! I’m loving the errrday uploads!

[@footrot17]

Where you? It's midnight in straya

[@donshipman8441]

@@footrot17 Texas

[@kaltaron1284]

Any concerns that the Emperor would toss aside one if His creations, deem it dangerous and destroy it, was clearly delusional and the Space Marines had never seen such a thing. What do you mean with "Thunder Warriors". There never was such a thing.

[@mcarrowtime7095]

weren’t the thunder warriors all unstable? Basically curze just a few steps ahead?

[@kaltaron1284]

@@mcarrowtime7095 Not in the beginning but IIRC they developed brain cancer and became unstable. So instead of trying to find a cure the big E just had them hunted down and replaced with his new favourite toy.

[@willsword8100]

Never pick up random relic swords.

[@Akranejames]

Fulgrim and Arthas would agree with that statement if they weren't already too far gone to do so.

[@willsword8100]

@@Akranejames Arthas did everything Wrong in his journey, and the Azaroth Still Bleeds from it. We might yet Redeem the IIIrd Legion.

[@Akranejames]

@@willsword8100 I wasn't equating their character (Arthas is a bit of a little shit, at least all through Warcraft III) but rather their "cliffnotes" character arcs - even up to killing a best friend because an evil sword told them so. Let's be honest, Arthas was clearly a bit of a Fulgrim rip-off in the beginning.

[@willsword8100]

@@Akranejames this is very true, granted I stopped playing WoW after Mist of Panderia, so I don't know any further developments.

[@JHouston62]

Majorkill voicing Morty and the Emperor is the absolute best thing

[@Kareszkoma]

13:48 To be fair, I don't think many got that either. I thought the point was just to f'ck him up and punish him. Not what gods would do. Probably because you wouldn't worship a sadistic god, if you are not a maso.

[@rexlumontad5644]

0:00 Soccer Champion Majorkill

[@DSRJoker]

And then Gman Claps the Moth Man Prophecies cheeks, IN his own dojo.

[@reddeath4806]

Didn't think I'd see you here Dynamic Sway Reduction.

[@LegionCommander]

Really liking the new style of videos. Great setup and stage. The best part is actually you to be honest. Adding yourself to videos was a good choice. Excellent work, keep it up!

[@JessePatrick-zc8ng]

Fulgrim was also perceiving events differently because of the influence along with everyone that entered the temple with the sword. He couldn’t see that Manus wasn’t messing up his plan but actually fkn saving them because he was oblivious to what was actually about to happen. (They were engaged in ship battle against dark age tech ships and fulgrim was cocky because they were “old”) Fulgrim tried to stop his swing and then let his body be possessed.

[@seprithlicastia463]

I think of Konrad Curze in the same why I do Alpharius. Both were loyal to the Emperor, but saw joining the traitors as being "what he would want them to do". The Night Haunter Primarch book has Konrad confront an effigy of the Emperor and explain as such -- Konrad thought the Emperor wanted him to be the villain of the story, so he was.

[@Mr.Heller]

How did Pery even thibk Big E would care about some planet? Lion did shit like that all the time with no trouble.

[@Keksde]

I wasnt ready for that Derek reference

[@sanberrios14]

Still laughing about that lol

[@stmirren2912]

The more plates more dates cameo killed me lmao!

[@RealJohnKimble]

lol I enjoyed the MPMD reference.

[@Rakanarshi2]

Major kill, when I want one of your videos, you deliver. Cheers mate.

[@MrMorrisX]

*Sees Title* Goddammit Erebus!

[@miketempler8111]

Ohhhhh my god

[@michaelhowell2326]

I think the Demon being dominated by Fulgrim was a missed opportunity. I guess they wanted to make sure that there wasn't any way for Fulgrim to go back loyal.

[@IstvanDropSite]

Been following this show for awhile. You're killing it man. You helped get me back into 40k.

[@crushingit5128]

@12:05 "Just apply some drops of ru58841 "

[@ohoyos3379]

*Reads title * this is gonna be good GOODAYYYY *i knew it *

[@blankeon6613]

The most tragic part of the Horus Heresy is that it could easily have been prevented in a number of ways: Let Lorgar worship the Emperor, show some respect for Perturabos achievement & show some trust for Magnus by telling him more about the Webway Project. All the other Chaos Primarchs would more than likely stay loyal if these 3 Primarchs stayed loyal.

[@chaptermastermarneuscalgar6926]

I just like to point out that Magnus was wrapped around Tzeentch's finger almost immediatly after the Emperor arrived on Prospero because the Thousand Sons were being wiped out by gene seed flaw called the Flesh Change and to save them Magnus made a deal with with a Warp entity to save them. Tzeentch then proceeded to play Magnus like a fiddle by making Magnus think he killed the warp entity he made a deal with, which lead to Magnus thinking he knew more about the Warp then the Emperor.

[@ЭнтелехияКапуцина]

"Demon God", "Hell" That's a good 👍 ImperiumOfSoyman point of view. FeelsWarpMan 👏😎

[@fameasser123]

At around 12:05 what do you mean by Horus losing his hair in being one of the catalysts that set him off to join Chaos and the dark side? Did he go bald naturally, or was some evil entity the cause of his hair loss? Like is the case in most pieces of media where ones looks start to decay and degrade to the point where you start looking many decades older or what 'tis the reason for his baldness and/or even the mention of his baldingness?

[@uranus9954]

Iam genuinly happy major made a mpmd reference

[@Typhoonfloyd]

Next video suggestion: Lore of Cegorach or the eldar pantheon as a whole.

[@gustavosanches3454]

I was not expecting that MPMD reference

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

Mortarion fell beacuse he thought it'd make his IBS go away

[@slimjim877]

Why do people never mention that magnus punched Russ' heart out and the furry only won because he got a lucky blow against magnuss' eye? He was literally writhing in agony because of magnus

[@Thanos23]

The reference of Derek from MorePlatesMoreDates got me good bro! 😂😂😂

[@kredonystus7768]

Ok. I laughed out loud at the MPMD joke.

[@gigachadsam]

Mortarion is probably right about the kill steal since Nurgle was talking to mortarion right before the emperor came in scaring Nurgle away from mortarion

[@Inquisitor_Vex]

9:09 nah, he did call dibs. Feels like a kill steal to me.

[@hyena8864]

This checks out

[@l-Dismas]

The fact that they felt betrayed by the emperor has a warrior class is very important imo. When they realized that the emperor had no room for them in his plans for humanity it was (understably) a huge blow for them. Immagine fighting for centuries for your father just to realize one day that you are just a tool about to be discarded. You would go bad shit crazy. In the end it had to happen at some point. The emperor could not get away forever with creating super soldiers and backstabing them. It some ways it makes me think about the samurais rebelion against the emperor of japan when their cast got sacked because society had no use for them anymore.

[@michaelfielding6666]

Bad days like going back into lockdown, leads to good days spent watching more Majorkill videos.

[@thetaz31]

Hahahaha greatest opener. "sometimes your wife leaves you on your birthday"

[@majorkill]

True story