How did he Big 12 decide on these programs? UCF | Houston | Cincinnati | BYU

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[@jeffreywhitlock4882]

Glad to see this. Houston is a large market, BYU has a national brand, Cincinnati has a solid program, and UCF brings the state of Florida into the Big 12 to aid recruiting.

[@terryherrera5252]

Cincinnati is a 2 HEADED MONSTER !!🏀🏈🏀🏈🥩🥩🥩!! UCF 🏈🛼

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Houston is a large market, where most college football fans root for UT, A&M, OU, or LSU. UH ranks fifth, at best. BYU is a national brand because of its Mormon support. Cincinnati is overshadowed by Ohio State, while UCF is overshadowed by Florida, Florida State, and Miami. Without OU and Texas in the Big XII, these four new schools are just Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, and UCF.

[@jeffreywhitlock4882]

@@sarahmccoy1941 everything you said was correct. Big 12 had to do the best it could. Those 4 teams won't make up for UT and OU, but they will keep the Conference going in short run. Gotta play the cards you are dealt.

[@natecarter5040]

Now they need to add Boise State, Colorado State and San Diego State to add another recruitment hotbed to the Big 12, California. And have all the time zones in the country which means more recognition all around. Big 12 will be more popular than the PAC and maybe in the future, more watchable than the Big 10

[@dileog395]

@@terryherrera5252 UCF enrollment: 71,000+; Cincy enrollment: 44,000 ... UCF/Orlando media market #17; Cincy media market #36 (lower than Columbus, OH).

[@johnbarker419]

I think this is a great package for a lot of reasons. The new schools are great brands. It puts the Big 12 into 3 time zones. The conference gets into 3 new markets, 4 if you want to consider Houston as different from Texas as a whole. West Virginia gets 2 more teams in the Eastern time zone, which probably helps solidify them for the long run.

[@johndotter351]

Houston is the 4th largestt U.S. city and sure it has a base for Houston Cougar football.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

@@johndotter351 But there are more A&M, UT, and LSU fans in Houston than there are fans of the Cougars. It is not the size of the market, but the share of a market that means something.

[@randyjones3050]

One of the best things to come out of all of this for the Big 12 is that the remaining and new schools will actually be a conference of equals. Hopefully, the league will see more stability and unity in the future as a result.

[@DR_X69]

The best news in weeks. Long live the Big 12. The conference with 9 lives!

[@lastpme]

I think the Pac 12, Big 10 and ACC meeting was just an agreement not to expand. I think the only way those three conferences will add a Big 12 team is that team has to show it can bring value to a conference to help them with TV contract. That is the biggest thing that hurt the remaining 8 schools. Adding a Big 12 would cost the other schools money, similar to when the Big 12 decided not to expand in 2016. The thing that gives me hope is by getting rid of UT and OU, now we can have a real conference. The Big 12 gave UT and OU too much power which also gave them a competitive advantage against the rest of the schools. If the eight schools and the future schools are treated as equal, with time they have a strong conference. GO TECH!

[@dylangrensky5886]

I think they agreed to not expand until OU and Texas leave so the Big XII can keep OU and Texas trapped

[@isaachorten10]

@@dylangrensky5886 and bleed em dry

[@timothyblack3322]

Only for awhile, I still movement within the next two year. I know the ACC will be grow,have membership changes, grow, or let the conference be picked apart

[@SNERFAN]

@@dylangrensky5886 they can't keep them trapped all they have to do is pay the buyout or wait till 2025

[@dylangrensky5886]

@@SNERFAN they’re trapped by how expensive the payout is. Not long term but for the next few years after that they’ll leave and the others will expand

[@mikeholley5662]

One thing y'all aren't seeing is that CBS is about to have money to spend on college football. They're losing the SEC in a few years, and you can bet they'll want to be in the college football business, being that it's one of the few proven money makers left for traditional broadcast networks. The SEC, ACC, and Big Ten will be on Disney. The PAC-12 will be on Fox. What content will CBS have to offer? That's where the Big 12 can step in. You just need to build your brands and invest in bolstering these things up as much as possible.

[@terryherrera5252]

Disney is ABC-ESPN !!!

[@mikeholley5662]

@@terryherrera5252 LOL did you just learn that?

[@CreightonRabs]

B1G Network is partly owned by FOX, so I see them having the bulk of B1G broadcasting grants of rights instead of the Four Letter Nitwits. But, a FOX/CBS pairing with Turner (TBS/TNT) thrown in could be viable for the Big X(II) going forward (though CBS might pursue the Disney half of the B1G football contract).

[@timbrown1790]

From what I understand, CBS wasn't really paying that much for the SEC, it was an extremely low contract that the SEC couldn't wait to get out of.

[@trvy8175]

They will probably try to get the Pac 12 Tier 1 rights and The Big Tens other half from ESPN. I think the Big Ten is against odds with ESPN now

[@tmtSHD]

While we are still discussing this, BYU is slaughtering the Pac12. Good move Big12!

[@818MEX]

Got lucky vs utah the rest were weak teams this year asu was mid. They would have never won the conference

[@jasonkeuma1986]

Have you watched the last 9 games?

[@jasonkeuma1986]

Kinda like Utah got lucky in some of the last nine games they played. It was down to the wire. Don’t be sore that they lost this year. Next year

[@Ghosttt3]

20-25 million per school would be a lot. Wasn’t expecting that much. That would be amazing for the Big 12

[@elvangulley3210]

Won't happen

[@mastertj99999]

I would assume that's only the income from TV deals. Current TV deal money is 28.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

That’s not going to happen

[@tarheel7406]

BYU has the most glitter, but adding CINCY and UCF tells me that WVU ain't going anywhere and the BIG12 needs more schools out east to balance some geography.

[@King-Goob]

Exactly. Add at least 2 more if not 4 more out east. Have big12 east and big 12 west

[@tonystewartfan2014]

Plus cincy WVU old conference rivalry

[@bigbuffguy9589]

I think Cincinnati was kind of a no-brainer, along with BYU and Houston. UCF is more speculative but still a solid choice.

[@cedeluca2121]

Yes, exactly. West Virginia is staying in the Big 12 if these reports are correct. Adding schools that are closer for travel for WVU is HUGE into them staying in the conference. Cincinnati & UCF are very solid football programs that will just up their recruiting level with joining Big 12 because of then becoming a P5 school. Houston I understand because they want that area market, although taking too many Texas schools is iffy for recruiting, you've seen it be down in recent years for the other Texas schools in the conference. BYU homerun because of their market and area and $$$. I do still see the conference looking at bringing 2-4 more schools in, definitely looking at Memphis and Colorado State in the future, and Tulane or Louisiana Lafayette (if they want to hit the Louisiana area), and even schools like Appalachian State, Marshall, UAB(University of Alabama Birmingham), or Even Liberty. Those all could extend the conference reach.

[@nazmoking3171]

@@cedeluca2121 i think you're going over the top with the additional expansion teams. Never mind Louisiana Lafayette, UAB, Liberty, Tulane etc. not gonna make it. Otherwise your comments make sense. West Virginia apparently not being recruited right now to the ACC so bringing in UCF and Cincinnati is good for them travel - wise to be sure.

[@johncoy5912]

ESPN reported these 4 schools submitted applications to join Big 12 early next week during halftime of their game tonight .. Friday Night .

[@gbyo1823]

Amazing how quickly decisions are made with UT out of the way!

[@rl8571]

The SEC will be in for a surprise. They will find out why Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri, and Texas AM left the Big 12.

[@praxton]

I don't think it's really the Houston market that got them in. I think it has to do with getting matchups that will draw eyes. The Big 12 lost and is losing A TON of the Texas market. There are not enough devoted fans of these remaining Texas schools to draw Texas viewers. But, having Big 12 Texas matchups will draw attention. No, it won't approach the viewers for UT or A&M or OU games. But, instead of three Big 12 Texas matchups, you get six. Even if the general CFB fan in Texas is disinterested, the other two Big 12 Texas fanbases will be interested. That's regional rivalries with Power 5 conference implications. And, yes, the Big 12 remains a Power 5 conference.

[@corey2232]

The funny thing about it is schools like Texas Tech & TCU have a large alumni base spread across the state. Tech in particular is not a school people go to because it's nearby & they want to stay in the area. The people come from all over the state, go to school there, then move away (similar to Texas A&M on a smaller scale). The problem is TT hasn't been very competitive in football for quite a while. After a decade of sucking, even the most devoted fans start becoming a bit passive. Start getting some wins (beating UT or OU on their way out would help) could bring waaaay more eyes back on the future Texas School vs Texas School matchups. TT, TCU, UH, and BU still cover a lot of ground across the state.

[@TheBaldr]

Television market, doesn't really matter if it is diluted, just having a large market is going to bring up large amount of revenue.

[@joeykelly5642]

TT, TCU, and Baylor have huge alumni networks…so yes, people in the state of Texas will definitely still be interested, especially with the addition of Houston. UT has a big fanbase but they aren’t the only school that draws viewership in Texas lmao

[@GR-bn3xj]

Memphis has won more games than. Any AAC team The last 7 years. Has made 7 straight bowls, has 3 conf championship game appearances, a Cotton Bowl appearance, has had 2 of the last 4 #1 recruiting classes in basketball. Fed ex backs them. How did they not get asked to join?

[@mBm357]

They'll be asked along with Boise St. once OUT leave.

[@tontoace7]

Yeah I don't understand how Memphis doesn't get invited. Especially considering the upward path of the Basketball program under Penny Hardaway. Seems like a perfect fit to me.

[@jaradd7279]

Academics

[@GR-bn3xj]

@@jaradd7279 bit their commercials say they are movers, shakers and do'ers. So they have to be good at academia lol. I'm sure that's an issue to a degree, but I can't see it being enough of an issue to keep them out. But I could be wrong

[@trvy8175]

They just happened to finish in 5th place

[@bobbypaluga4346]

I have a funny feeling that the fans pushing Colorado State, Tulsa and UNLV as expansion targets are going to be very quiet from here on in. All three teams lost to FCS teams in week one.

[@revan3841]

UNLV and Colorado State are in good and growing markets. Too bad their programs seem to be down right now.

[@michaelwall3393]

@@revan3841 Fort Collins is not growing and not the Denver market and Las Vegas is a pro sports town and horrible for college athletics other than basketball and Nevada is the better overall grab if looking that direction but only Boise St would be the other western college brought in the Big12 and no one else. Those schools as this gentleman mentioned all lost to FCS colleges and one game wasn’t even close and all were home games at that. You basically paid FCS schools to come into your house and kick your butt and Rob you with eyes wide open and offered them to take your girls too! That’s what happened and what those 2 MWC schools allowed.

[@trvy8175]

@@michaelwall3393 We just don't know that about UNLV football because they have been historically fricking terrible. I would like to see what happens when they put together some back to back winning seasons

[@brianmcmeat1306]

Because they are the best that's left that have scholastic standards.

[@douglasmims5090]

I'm excited about this, I want to see the Big 12 succeed. Oklahoma and Texas went about this dirty, hopefully the SEC can make them regret their decision. Roll Tide!

[@mikeoxmaul9675]

So what now for AAC?? Maybe Appalachian State?? Coastal Carolina? Liberty?

[@Uhtred-the-bold]

Really got the cream of the crop as far as “G5” schools. This is a great move. As a BYU fan I feel like this is way overdue, but hell yes!!! Already better than the pac12!!!

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Really? Better than Oregon, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, Arizona State, etc? LOL

[@bradenanderson9849]

@@sarahmccoy1941 Arizona sucks, BYU has dominated USC the last 5-6 years

[@spud1907]

@@bradenanderson9849 You mean having one overtime win over them in that span...while consistently being pummeled by Utah and Washington?

[@TheTexasJuan]

@@sarahmccoy1941 Yeah, really. The schools you mentioned are recognizable names but that doesn't mean they're any good, Especially not these days.

[@ucfqb]

@@sarahmccoy1941 this aged well

[@ninjadanny628]

I like how the title is misspelled. But why did he add them?

[@GShumway132]

How would you split up the divisions?

[@tontoace7]

Anything can happen in the next couple of years in the Big12. If Iowa St, Kansas, Oklahoma St and West Virginia leave then what happens?

[@spud1907]

The Big XII essentially becomes the the MWC and AAC all-star conference. With that said, I don't think Okie State has a home without a Texas partner.

[@bobhabib7662]

@@spud1907 Why would WVU leave? Esp with Eastern adds of UCF and Cincy? Should we trust the ACC? hahahaha no way!

[@spud1907]

@@bobhabib7662 is UCF closer than Pitt, Syracuse, VT, Virgina, etc? No. Big XII is mid-major now. Just a fact WVU fans need to realize. ACC isn't. If they become a mid-major in the future is irrelevant..since the Big XII is a mid-major now. And they will never get the money the ACC is getting once Texas leaves.

[@bobhabib7662]

@@spud1907 Do my eyes deceive me or did a bucknuts fan just call someone else a mid-major? You might wanna slow your roll because UNLIKE Ohio St, B12 actually plays more than one actual top 25 team a year. You play 8 cupcake conference games in a cupcake division with powerhouses Rutgers and IU. THe B12 plays everyone AND plays a CCG. Second to that, UNLIKE Ohio St who has Herbstreit sucking them off perpetually each week, other than Tejas, the B12 is perpetually ranked low. Ohio St is perpetually over ranked - AND IT SHOWS when they play anyone OOC. And when Ohio St does make a bowl you get smoked faster than some Skywalker Purple. Hahahah F*cking bucknuts fans thinking they own anyone - that sh*t is hilarious.

[@spud1907]

@@bobhabib7662 Awesome counter. You got me. I'm sure the Big XII has a GREAT future now without Texas and OU...and certainly better than the ACC. All those teams with national titles like.... Well I'm sure it is fine. Big $$$ coming their way I'm sure. Enjoy the Big XII :)

[@JoeRyMi]

It’s obviously not the money maker that B1G and SEC, but it’s a respectable conference competitively. I just wonder if any of the current 8 are open to calls from B1G or ACC in the unlikely event either are looking to expand.

[@ryanr9299]

Id like to see UCF and Memphis go into the ACC just for geological purposes alone... Maybe a CAL or Standford would go to the B12 instead..

[@manipulatedworld5355]

UCF and Houston with a power 5 platform will be the best schools consistently in Texas and Florida that’s why Texas never wanted Houston too many good recruits in that area they’ve been able to get

[@TheTexasJuan]

This is absolutely accurate. Hell, UT even tried to keep UH out of the Big 12 this time around... AFTER UT announced it was leaving for the SEC. This is how scared UT is of Houston gaining Power 5 status.

[@mikeygoda]

UCF has won 3 regular season games against ranked opponents in the last 20 years. They are the 4th/5th best Florida football team, depending on the year.

[@xAlphaOmega1]

Good for Big 12 to finally do this, but they should have done this when when the other teams left. Texas and Oklahoma MIGHT would have stayed, but we will never know.

[@spud1907]

If the SEC showed interest in letting them in....they weren't going to say no to that....even wit the titan brands of Cincy and UCF

[@pllsuperfan4ever256]

Could you see if the big 12 goes to 16 it will be Boise State Memphis Liberty and Tulane?

[@FirstLast-rd6hw]

Liberty? The Big 12 can go to 61 and Liberty still wouldn’t be considered.

[@pllsuperfan4ever256]

@@FirstLast-rd6hw so no Liberty maybe San Diego State

[@FirstLast-rd6hw]

@@pllsuperfan4ever256 SDSU would be good and give them coast to coast but Boise and Memphis should be there asap. Liberty is just an online school. They have a campus and athletics and all but something like 85% is online. Academically they are so bad, it makes Big12 schools look like the Ivy League.

[@pllsuperfan4ever256]

@@FirstLast-rd6hw ok with the Liberty thing Memphis brings Ged ex which should bring money and would be great for the big 12

[@FirstLast-rd6hw]

@@pllsuperfan4ever256 agreed. I would have liked to see Memphis get in before UCF.

[@rohitcsrini]

In what world is UCF not a significantly more attractive than Houston or Memphis or Cincinnati? The only school with more of a chance is BYU

[@daleschmitz5832]

Yeah that and UCF’s National Championship 😗

[@ssgus3682]

So far only one conference has gone to 16 and it will not happen for a few years. So if the BIG-10 and PAC-12 have decided to stay at 14 and 12 schools there has to be some reason why neither the ACC, PAC-12, or BIG-10 have decided to go to 16.

[@noahzandy5752]

Any chance Memphis can get in?

[@nazmoking3171]

Oliver Luck likely pulling Bowlsby out of the toilet on this recent expansion development.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

Luck should replace Bowlsby as commish.

[@nazmoking3171]

@@sarahmccoy1941 Yes, I agree 100%. Nothing was happening or moving at all and then they hire Luck as a consultant and suddenly the conference is getting decisive and moving at lightning speed to do something intelligent. Duh, obviously it was the involvement of Luck that made the difference. I'm a WVU fan and he did not waste any motion making things happen when he was the AD there briefly. He is the diametric opposite of Bowlsby who sits there in slow motion and shakes his head and says to himself "now what do I do?"

[@ebl89]

As a BYU fan I'm disappointed Boise State's not in consideration

[@GShumway132]

That would have been sweet.

[@chcarn]

Wait for round two when they go to 16

[@bigbuffguy9589]

Boise State just doesn't bring quite enough to the table. They were probably fifth or sixth on the list.

[@charleswebsterjr.6350]

@@bigbuffguy9589 they bring a lot to the football table to the Big 12.

[@taylorm_2892]

Me too they belong hope they add them soon! Byu and boise have been a great rival

[@818MEX]

Big 12 is the most even and balanced conference good football and great basketball. Just dont see how they will retain a power super conference without atleast 1 super power house school like a USC, ohio state, or Georgia.

[@jonathanexercise3324]

My preference: add Auburn, Miami, Purdue, and Vanderbilt; Kansans can go to the Big 10; UCF and West Virginia can go the ACC; and BYU can go to the Pac-12

[@tonystewartfan2014]

Also HU can replace OU and TU combine in basketball

[@TulsaSooner1979]

If basketball moved the needle, your post would be less stupid than it already is.

[@nazmoking3171]

Houston has had some good football under Herman and Levine. They have slipped in recent years. They'll get a chance this weekend to show they deserve to be in the Big12 when they play Texas Tech.

[@raymondanguiano4042]

I wonder if NBC might jump more into college football besides just Notre Dame. It could help peacock get subscribers as well

[@artycat0811]

No one has explained WHY would BYU join the Big12? Money, they don't need it.

[@stephenlang7870]

Being in a Power 5 is the only way BYU ever gets into the College Football Invitational.

[@joeykelly5642]

Why wouldn’t they join a Power Five conference when given the opportunity? It’s a huge step up from the WCC. Most of the schools in the WCC don’t even have a football team lol

[@texasboii5539]

Money, more exposure, better recruiting

[@818MEX]

Imagine saying that playing every sport besides football in the wackest conference in the west 😂

[@mikeholley5662]

Houston and BYU were the no-brainers. Baylor people don't think that for obvious reasons, but UH was, in fact, an obvious choice. Hell, when the PAC-12 looked at expanding into this area, UH was the program they picked as the most propitious choice for them in the future. Now, is Houston an ideal program today? Hell no, but how many are? The only ideal program in the state of Texas today is A&M. They have everything, literally everything in their favor. Even Texas has some drawbacks, as does Tech, Baylor, TCU, and everyone else in the state. So Houston isn't a perfect choice. Big deal. The Big 12 isn't going to get top-drawer programs. Those are going to the SEC and Big Ten.

[@rl8571]

ESPN is the least affected and stands to benefit the most. Espn already has the AAC contact secured for a decade. The BIG 12 will be low-balled regardless of who they get. Can't believe the power ESPN has.

[@bigboy9661]

I felt super uneasy watching them cover the games last night. Just didn't feel right, knowing they're behind all this

[@bobhabib7662]

@@bigboy9661 dumped my ESPN+ last week. Felt great.

[@doritosmix73]

PAC will implode with their late games and declining viewership. ESPN will out-bid Fox for the big 12 and the PAC will merge with the big 12. Teams without a partner will not make this next cut. This will get crazy really fast. Streaming honestly broke college football.

[@sarahmccoy1941]

It was all that was left out there. They looked at the same teams several year ago, but the conference unanimously voted not to expand. But desperate times call for desperate measures. With Texas and OU gone, all of a sudden these teams look terrific! What a joke.

[@1redcougar175]

It’s never the last wave.

[@Sloppyplane37]

Give Memphis and Boise a call too

[@ssgus3682]

Getting to 12 was the goal.

[@Sloppyplane37]

@@ssgus3682 so, 14 is more security and adds 2 great partners to expand the conference. Plus more insurance in case a couple teams leave

[@Sloppyplane37]

Plus adds more rivalries, brings a good bball team in Memphis, bring in fed ex and a fan base who sells out oh and Boise gives BYU another team in the west so they aren’t on an island like WVU was and expands the conference footprint. Need these 6 teams

[@ssgus3682]

@@Sloppyplane37 My thoughts on why they went 12: 1) They needed a legitimate conference championship game. That requires 12 schools. 2) West Virginia is not getting an ACC invite. That meant that conference had go go east. Cincinnati was brought in an as a travel partner for West Virginia. 3) The conference is now perfectly suited to expand again in the future if everything stays the same with Memphis and USF. 4) Going to 12 gives you flexibility. My first point is they had to get to 12. Going to 14 or 16 right off the bat limited options in case of BIG 10 expansion. If the BIG 10 expands it will be either from the ACC or PAC-12. Hypothetical- To compete with the SEC the BIG 10 adds USC and Oregon. With the PAC-12 weak in this hypothetical the BIG 12 can offer Utah and Colorado membership. Or the AZ schools. If you go to big right now you limit your options for the future. 5) Time zones- New deals for revenue will be driven by streaming in addition to TV. More people live east of the Mississippi than west. BYU by virtue of being a religious school will have people paying to stream. Hell BYU has its own Tab channel by way of the church. The rest of the schools are larger TV markets then Boise. Memphis was just the odd school out.

[@UndisputedTruth1954]

@@Sloppyplane37 I agree with you 100% . Going to 14 is the thing to do . Boise St and Memphis needs to go in phase two of the Big 12 .

[@davidmcphail5653]

“If Kansas gets a Big 10 invite.” Do you guys think before you speak??? WHY WOULD THE BIG 10 WANT KANSAS! Oh right, they had a perfect season last year... but the zeros were in the wrong column!!!!

[@benjaminmaughan2957]

Idk man. They just upset an FCS opponent so they're looking like the real deal. The B1G should pick them up along with Bishop Sycamore

[@ethanhill9460]

Horrible MEMPHIS isn't included.

[@zerolazer9530]

as a bearcats fan i agree

[@roywall8169]

Is this enough to maintain P5 status?

[@TulsaSooner1979]

Mmmm… does adding the poster children for G5 after losing your two best brands keep you P5? Does taking away the meat on a supreme pizza and replacing w/ more veggies make it a supreme pizza?

[@barfingchickens1227]

@@TulsaSooner1979 What are you talking about? both BYU and Cinci are respectable programs. BYU has been crapping on Big 12 teams for decades now and has a nation wide fan base because of their LDS origin, they've also been playing countless PAC 12 teams for a long time now. And Cincy managed to make it to the Sugar bowl last year and barely lost to Georgia by 3 points and Georgia is now 2nd in the nation. Plus we also have no idea how the new NIL rule changes will change up the college landscape and if it'll effect the P5 schools. Houston is also sitting in the middle of the nations 4th biggest city and over the next few years is bound to get bigger because of the Big 12.

[@bryfunkenstein]

@@TulsaSooner1979 the AAC is the only conference that has teams that CONSISTENTLY beat P5 schools...

[@nathantewkesbury8175]

Boise State and Memphis should join as well. Maybe Houston and SMU. That would be 16 an as good as the ACC

[@CreightonRabs]

Colorado State? The same Colorado State whose football team got clobbered by South Dakota State? Nah, we're good...

[@WDB2005]

The sec is ruining college football right now change my mind

[@emilianozapata8185]

with all due respect for all the opinions, I have to say that of the 4 new Big12 UH was the only school to be in the conversation of inclusion to two not just one P5 conference.

[@sportswatch5127]

Mr. Smoak. Gor is only an impediment, not an absolute means of keeping membership. If a university is determined to leave, they will leave. Nothing, no conference, is forever. lol.

[@cousindom]

Look to broker a deal with cbs cbs is losing the sec game of the week

[@terryherrera5252]

Me ??? Memphis OVER !! UCF !! Basketball KINGS !!!!

[@timbrown1790]

Unfortunately it's primarily football driving the decisions

[@shawnwheeler4633]

Football rules and UCF is in! Too bad.

[@lordrayden3045]

Do you really think that espn and the sec didn’t run this last all of their lawyers a million times?

[@ssgus3682]

At least.

[@cadbane7780]

This is a nice backhanded way to get the best group of five teams an automatic qualifier in the final four. I bet these teams fight for group of five exclusion after they get into the big 12

[@jcoop22]

Memphis is a community college with a NBA arena. They are academically one of the worst FBS schools.

[@bobplunk3697]

Wondering where this academic information comes from? Seven straight bowl games and a Top Ten basketball team this fall doesn’t sound like a community college athletic program to me. And 3 Final Fours with two national championship games. And a city absolutely nuts about its Tigers unlike several selected in the four being mentioned.

[@richardyocum6053]

No dog in any conference fight here, but let’s stop acting like college athletics is about academics in any way.

[@becks89]

Will be interested to see who Big 12 looks to add when ACC invites West Virginia. That’s why Big 12 should add 6 rather than 4 to compensate for expected losses. Have to think SMU, USF and maybe Memphis are next.

[@TulsaSooner1979]

Nobody is inviting WVU. Keep dreaming.

[@darthrzr]

Surprised that Boise State didn’t get an invite but I’m assuming they may be invited to the pac12 in the futurw

[@818MEX]

Hell na they dont bring anything to the table

[@gbyo1823]

We should add the three service academies and Notre Dame

[@lordrayden3045]

LOL…. Yeah you’re such a destination notre dame wants in Delusions much?

[@lordrayden3045]

Now that your fantasy is done, If you plan on being a big boy conference, you don’t want the service academies, they don’t help the claim that you’re a power conference.

[@tarheel7406]

Army v. Navy would be a guaranteed annual nationally televised game. What would the media value of that game be?

[@lordrayden3045]

@@tarheel7406 CBS owns the rights to that gsme

[@lordrayden3045]

@@tarheel7406 Also, these are the schools where the players are weight and height limited. They are D1 schools….. without many of any, true D1 players. I watch navy / Air Force / army when they are on….. but if you’re trying to remain a power conference, adding those three doesn’t help your case

[@stevel240l7]

Any current member of the Big12 would bolt for Pac12, Big10 or ACC if given the chance. This Big12 expansion is too little too late. Dead man walking

[@mickstevens6443]

The Big 12 will be FINE ..The Pac is dead

[@aleanufopilotftlcertified5663]

The BIG12 has gained a great deal of experience and knowledge regarding the GOR. The new BIG16 GOR will be ironclad and ultimately be extremely competitive with no OU in the CCG every year. All of the BIG16 Conference games will have real impact, meaning, and value thru the end of the season to determine what 2 teams go to the CCG and the autobid to the playoffs. Exciting times and good money with the potential to become great money if/when these programs improve the product on the field. VERY exciting times!!!

[@tonystewartfan2014]

@@mickstevens6443 yep for some reason ESPN wants them to stay

[@jimferrell4470]

I’ve heard the Big 12 is a dead man walking for 10 years. Yet they are still walking.

[@stevel240l7]

@@jimferrell4470 that’s because they had UT and OU as anchors. Who they got now. I’m a Big12 fan…WVU guy, but BYU and UH can’t replace Tex and Okla

[@enterbandman5581]

How do you know the Big 12 is a he? Could be a she…

[@wayneschlotfeldt1631]

Lol. Tsetse fly on a rhino.

[@taylorm_2892]

Boise state is the most winningest program since 2000 and has more big time wins and festia bowl wins then any of these 4 schools crazy they leave them out what dose Boise have to do to earn that respect that they belong!

[@phav1832]

Unfortunately, it's not about big wins as much as TV market . . . Boise is not a major market.

[@yuriburkel686]

The blue Smurfs ain't dominating in the Big 12

[@daleschmitz5832]

Nothing.

[@tmcc9867]

They want them to add atleast 10k more seats.. They are next. Just got work to do

[@josephthomas4513]

Kick out Houston and replace them with Memphis

[@grandwonder5858]

Why? So that they could get 1/25th the TV viewership of Houston? So that they could replace a 47,000 students university with one that is way less than half of that? So that they could replace a major research university with a university that isn't one? So that they could replace a great academic university with a semi-mediocre one? Dream on son! Dream on! Memphis is good for a doormat!

[@bobplunk3697]

Memphis 5-0 vs. Houston since 2016. Who has the bigger stadium, better program and larger attendance?

[@tonystewartfan2014]

Basketball

[@doritosmix73]

@@bobplunk3697 lol it's not about on-field play. It's about TV sets and the ability to grow. Memphis will never reach Houston's floor let alone our ceiling because they just don't have enough people who watch. Not in 10 years, not in 30 years, not in 100 years. Houston will forever be larger and have a larger alumni base than Memphis.

[@sheasolo8507]

@@grandwonder5858 I don't want to be a dick. But nobody in that market watches the Houston Cougars. Memphis is more than 1/25th the viewership, but there is absolutely no freaking way 1/25th of Houston watches the Cougs. Not trying to knock them. Just moved back from Houston. If 100,000 people in Houston tuned in to watch Houston (Other than that one time they almost went undefeated with Herman ) I would be shocked. I've been to the Stadium. I've been at the bar when they're playing and no other Texas team is. Noooobody cares. Or so few that it's rare to see someone wearing UH gear at all. Only when it matches their red kicks. I got nothing against Houston. But nobody in Houston cares about the Cougs in comparison to how many people there are that could possibly care. It just doesn't register.

[@charliepiazza7533]

BYU the most overrated team shouldn’t have been added

[@chadbennett9166]

What may happen is they say no to Big 12. If I was the one lead a school I would not go that way. With out Texas and OU money will not be big money or Pieter conference. Oklahoma State, West Virginia, and may be TCU only school with historical weight and Kansas Basketball. Big 12 is sinking and has been left behind.

[@timmac8775]

Then don’t watch.

[@Mark-qg8hm]

Because they are dead in the water and settled for the 75th, 76th, 77th and 130th most attractive teams to invite. Byu being the 130th.

[@dallaswood4117]

BYU is better than at least half of the teams in the power five sorry dude. Last time they played Texas Oklahoma Wisconsin Tennessee Oregon USC UCLA Utah Arizona Mississippi State Nebraska Virginia Georgia Tech who won lol that’s just for starters I could keep going they’re a big enough brand they have their own espn contract as an independent the last ten years and fill a 65000 seat stadium every game

[@Mark-qg8hm]

@@dallaswood4117 Whatever fantasy you have to keep telling yourself