How did Rome Expand into Greece and Hispania? - History of the Roman Empire - Part 5

How did Rome Expand into Greece and Hispania? - History of the Roman Empire - Part 5
For Rome, its decades-long rivalry with the Carthaginian Empire was a significant distraction. The outbreak of the three Punic Wars marked an attention-grabbing period of Roman history that at times even overshadowed the contemporary events outside of the Carthaginian-Roman conflict. However, the Punic Wars were far from the only notable events in Rome’s past during the time they raged on, and they weren’t even the only wars that Rome faced throughout the era. So now, let’s take a look through what happened in Rome’s history without Carthage…
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[@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658]

The generation that defeated Hannibal and conquered Greece just might be the greatest generation Rome ever had but it has strong competition through the ages.

[@JayKay-on2gr]

@@lashaprangulashvili2421 probably not Europe. He was planning campaigns In the east.

[@baha3alshamari152]

Imagine their reaction when they hear about the fall of Rome and the middle ages

[@ajmiyessine3837]

Rome didn't defeat Hannibal.Carthage defeated him

[@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658]

@Lasha Prangulashvili Yeah, it was insane how many great men were in Rome in the last years of the Republic.

[@organic3132]

@@ajmiyessine3837 True. Hanibal is one of the greatest Generals in all history.

[@erti4531]

0:36 I’m sad that all history channels don’t include Illyrian Kindoms territories. For all who don’t know Rome invaded Illyrian kingdom of Ardiaei.

[@ren2957]

i think it's because they're not sure what territory they held

[@stfu6661]

🇦🇱

[@wankawanka3053]

Because they were not important

[@Kevin_M312]

@@wankawanka3053 Except they were. The province of Illyricum provided the most amount of manpower to fill in the legion ranks. Not to mention that the region birthed a vast majority of emperors to the Empire such as Constantine himself.

[@wankawanka3053]

​@@Kevin_M312 please tell me how important they were before any roman conquest 😊 and the province of illyricum isn't illyrian it's roman

[@p03saucez]

I love stories from the late Republic. I feel like this is a really overlooked portion of Roman history. Thanks for covering this!

[@AethelwulfBretwalda]

This wasn't the late republic, it was the High Republic!

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Arguments could be made that this is the best era of Roman excellence. I don't think anything during the empire tops this period

[@misterbean4059]

2:12 I swear, that looked so much like Gigachad.

[@pinkandfluffysuperwokeblok9859]

This is true, you look into the Punic wars and the romans control most of Italy, then by the end you realise that not only do they control Africa and Iberia but they also happened to have acquired Greece, parts of Illyria and cisalpine Gaul. The Punic wars were impressive enough, despite doing all the rest during their breaks

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

"...And once we conquer Sicily, we'll go after the Roman tribes. They're such good fighters. We'll have a hard time beating them, but I'm sure they'll serve us well in the future..." *Alexander explaining his plans of conquest to the dying Hephaestion*

[@imperators1012]

That's in the movie, in real life he probably refered to them as latin tribes

[@wankawanka3053]

At that time Alexander would have crushed them

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

@@imperators1012 Rome already existed for 400 years and their inhabitants were surely known as romans because of their great amount of victories against celts and other tribes of Italy

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

@@wankawanka3053 But not without an extremely fierce resistance. Sure Alexander's army would have suffered important losses while fighting against the romans and their unique art of war

[@Hugh_Morris]

@The Last Caesar you overestimate the Romans at the time I believe, they were a small Latin city who had barely conquered all of Latium. Remember it was in the 290s BC that the Romans really came into their own with revolutionary changes in the military and a vision of great comquest. In the 270s BC the Romans fought mainland Greeks for the first time, a much smaller army (than Alexander's) led by Pyrrhus and he made it to the walls of Rome. Give it another hundred years (230s BC) and yeah it would've been a very tough battle for Alexander. Give it two hundred years and the Romans would've won.

[@sayedesam2042]

They defeated Carthage , Macedonias and Sellucids in the same time .. what an empire ♥️

[@wankawanka3053]

All their allies left the chat

[@TomasArepo]

Perfect video at a perfect timing, great quality and information

[@Jack-vh5km]

Excellent animation, story narration, content and history facts. Your channel is real gem on Youtubu. Keep posting mate🎉

[@MusicClipsGlobal]

As a Hispanic, I learned a lot about the Roman Empire. It's incredible to note that we still have roots attached to this formal power. There's provinces like Hispania Baetica, Hispania Lusitania, Hispania Tarraconensis, Gallia Narbonensis, Gallia Aquitania, Gallia Lugdunensis, Gallia Belgica, Raetia, Noricum, Germania Superior, Germania Inferior, and Britannia.

[@wankawanka3053]

Pergamon is highly underrated when it comes to the help they offered to rome against other greek states

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Hellenic states of the Seleucids, Macedonia, Achaean League, Aetolian League, Kingdom of Pergamon, Ptolemaics etc. all got destroyed by Roman Empire which resulted as ending of Hellenistic era and post Roman Greece was basically a playground for Romans, Turks, Slavs, Albanians, Thracians, Illyrians, Armenians, Italians and Germanic peoples as we all know Hellenic rule in Greece broadly ended with the Roman conquest of Greece resulting with a dominant Roman, Turkic, and Germanic rule whereas only 3 short lived Hellenic dynasties, Komnenids, Angelids and Laskarids, managed to rule Grece Foreign rule in Greece; Achaemenid dynasty (Iranic) Nerva-Antonine dynasty (Italic) Severan dynasty (Punic) Gordian dynasty (Celtic) Decian dynasty (Illyrian) Valerian dynasty (Italic) Caran dynasty (Illyrian) Constaninian dynasty (Illyrian) Valentinian dynasty (Illyrian) Theodosian dynasty (Hispanian) Leonid dynasty (Thracian) Justinian dynasty (Illyrian) Heraclian dynasty (Armenian) Isaurian dynasty (Armenian) Nikephorian dynasty (Arabic) Dulo dynasty (Turkic) Krum’s dynasty (Turkic) Amorian dynasty (Jewish) Macedonian dynasty (Armenian) Phokas dynasty (Armenian) Doukid dynasty (most likely Armenian) Diogenes dynasty (most likely Armenian) Principality of Arbanon (Albanian) Principality of Valona (Slavized Turkic) Duchy of the Archipelago (Italian) Kingdom of Cyprus (Germanic) Kingdom of Thessalonica (Germanic) Empire of Thessalonica (most likely Armenian) Latin Empire (Germanic) Asenid dynasty (Slavized Turkic) Duchy of Athens (French) Duchy of Neopatras (Spanish) Marquisate of Bodonitsa (Germanic) Lordship of Argos and Nauplia (Germanic) Lordship of Salona (Germanic) Lordship of Chios (Italian) Knights Hospitaller of Rhodes (Germanic) Principality of Achaea (French) Palaiologos dynasty (most likely Italic) Nemanjic dynasty (Slavic) Despotate of Arta (Albanian) Despotate of Ioannia (Albanian) League of Lezhe (Albanian) Vojivonic dynasty (Slavic) Venetian dominions in Greece (Italian) Principality of Lesbos (Italian) Kingdom of Candia (Italian) Kingdom of Ioanian Islands (Italian) Kingdom of the Morea (Italian) Triarchy of Negroponte (French) Ottoman dynasty (Turkic) Pashalik of Berat (Albanian) Pashalik of Yanina (Albanian) Pashalik of Scutari (Albanian) Septinsular Republic (Italian) House of Wittelsbach (Germanic) United States of the Ionian Islands (Germanic) Principality of Samos (Slavic) 🤪

[@wankawanka3053]

@@papazataklaattiranimam you are trying way too hard to prove something that isn't there buddy🤓🤓🤓

[@codypaul7136]

Keep up the great work 🫠🫠🦖 i love your vidéos.

[@brokenbridge6316]

Nicely informative video

[@salvador_69.11]

LET'S GO PART 5

[@LichsuhoathinhDrabattle]

Great video as always! I'd be really interested in countries history ✨😎‼

[@SweetChicagoGator]

With 5 major country battles, quite amazing how Rome was still able to endure, conquer, and expand ! 🤠

[@angelosdaresis1477]

"Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit" ("Greece, although captured, took its savage conqueror captive") - Horace, Book II, epistle 1

[@Booz2020]

Rome had the Killing Machine Muscles but Greece had the Brain 👀🤔

[@myrnaa1077]

@@Booz2020Thats only comparing fighting ability when the Greek inluence on the world was nearing the end of its reign (and only alexandria in egypt left at 50 bce), Greek fighting was not to be scoffed at, since the romans at the time would stand no chance against Alexander

[@KHK001]

Finally part5! been waiting for this one

[@MBP1918]

Nice video

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

Most wonderful explained ✨️ thanks for sharing 👍🏻 🙏

[@Quecojo]

Great video. But all the focus was on greece and Iberia… would have been neat to see how they actually moved in on Hispania as well with the same detail that you gave to the other areas.

[@theawesomeman9821]

Rome may have conquered Greece militarily but Greece ended up conquering Rome culturally.

[@Booz2020]

Greeco Roman

[@Hugh_Morris]

Remind me again what the Greeks called themselves for over a thousand years after being conquered

[@Anonymous_hugo12]

no, Greek and Roman cultrues renot same, romans had thier own culture from started from latin village in italy, after romans conqured macedonia, Rome build greece based on roman culture, architecture. all roads in greece leads to rome, theirs no macedonian cultrue anymore, all re roman culture. romans developed greece and destroyed macedonian culture nd converted greece to roman culture. this same goes to all roman territories.

[@Booz2020]

@@Anonymous_hugo12 Roman culture adopted Greece culture though🤔 From Greek Gods to Roman military, you name it you know👀

[@Anonymous_hugo12]

@@Booz2020 no lmao, Don't learn fake history, Romans made everything from Italian peninsula, Roman latin culture, language is from a village called latin in Lazio region in Italy

[@waynedawson8833]

The video makes it seem Rome was reluctant to intervene in Greece but Rome was definitely interested in expanding into Greece and Anatolia and defending their allies was just an excuse to invade. The Macedonian King Perseus tried to avoid war with Rome by playing nice with the Greek states and Rome decided to force a war by demanding Macedon to give up Thessaly that had been a part of Macedon for centuries, knowing Macedon would never willingly do so. When their former ally the Aetolian league got sick of Roman presence in Greece they were crushed and annexed by Rome. Rome would use the same excuse of helping local allies to conquer the rest of its territories in 'self-defense'.

[@MintyLime703]

You're omitting why they viewed it as self defense. In this case they genuinely thought this was necessary after getting ravaged by Hannibal. Rome now understood that they weren't invincible and all it took was one man and an army to ravage their lands. Undoubtedly they would've found an excuse to take Greece regardless, but fear was the order of the day here. They were friendly with Carthage and that made them a potential threat in Roman eyes. Some WERE reluctant to start another war so soon. We're talking about a republic. It's not like everyone agreed with each other.

[@Zantides]

This channel and HistoryMarche is so damn good, thanks for the awesome content. K&G lost its touch i feel, could just be me.

[@SilverisDuhas]

I agree fully, used to be a big fan of k&g but now the only good series they have running is on Alexander The Great

[@williamrobert9898]

@@SilverisDuhas I fully disagree the early muslim expansion series and the first crusade in addition to the pacific war are incredible

[@SilverisDuhas]

@@williamrobert9898 maybe I'm biased because I find ancient history much more interesting, but the pacific war series seems way too minute and kinda boring (stopped watching after 15 episodes), while the really interesting topics are covered very broadly. I liked the old art style from a few years ago more as well

[@botanozsan7843]

I agree fully! Especially about K&G.

[@arjunseth6194]

Good

[@theawesomeman9821]

Give Rome credit, they took on the entire Meditareanean and won despite being outnumbered numerically and logistically.

[@Ghost-vi8qm]

Not numerically

[@wankawanka3053]

Rome could afford many defeats so the numbers did help them quite a lot

[@theawesomeman9821]

@@Ghost-vi8qm Rome, including its colonies had around 3 million people while their enemies like the Selucids had around 60 million people.

[@oronzobarberio5029]

Romans were almost always outnumbered

[@essaadeel3676]

​@@theawesomeman9821 60 million? Not even the Roman Empire at its height had that large of a population

[@ziad-san146]

i love history

[@electrofan1796]

Hannibal a Seleucid Advisor Rome: *Vietnam Flashbacks*

[@cantrait7311]

Amazing that the Romans survived all this Their geography was surrounded by so many enemies

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

The Romans avenged the city of Troy when they conquered Greece, as the founders of Rome (Romulus and Remus) were descendants of a trojan man named Aeneas, who fled from the destruction of the ancient city by the greeks. It was needed a thousand years, but a win is a win

[@hazzmati]

You have a very warped view of the past

[@Harib_Al-Saq]

You believe Roman mythology?

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

@@hazzmati The hell are you talking about? I never stated this is what actually hapened. I perfectly know Virgil's story is false. I was talking in an artistic way.

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

@@Harib_Al-Saq No, but I highly admire it

[@CosmicCreeper99]

@@OptimusMaximusNero When you put it that way it’s just…….. wow

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

1:56 It is not surprising that the Romans were highly prepared when it came to defending their city from the second attack by the Gauls. The first invasion by the Celts was so humiliating that, after managing to expel them from the city, the Romans even considered abandoning it and moving to Veii (which had been conquered by Camillus before the appearance of Brenus and the gauls). However, in the end it was decided to destroy Veii's structures and buildings in order to rebuild Rome as a way of starting from scratch.

[@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714]

Yes, when people belive their country could be destroyed they fight hard. When they believe their empire is without end its hard to find recruits.

[@giorgilabadze1]

this is masterpace

[@GMKGoji01]

I now cannot hear the name Macedon without thinking about Fire Emblem. There is a kingdom with the same name in Shadow Dragon!

[@Zo._]

Numidia🇩🇿🇩🇿❤️

[@wwlgermanv1nce536]

Do the boxer rebellion

[@DAni14787]

Knowledge

[@billykotsos4642]

ROMA AETERNA

[@petersclafani4370]

Thanks to Carthage and punic wars

[@nicolaenicolae3289]

👍

[@reymarkojao2791]

The Roman empire is unstoppable they proved their self even In crisis situation they manage to defeat all of their enemies

[@HungryLoki]

Small nitpick, this was still the Roman Republic, the Empire went under and was eventually destroyed.

[@wankawanka3053]

Germanics huns ect hello there

[@cristhianramirez6939]

@@wankawanka3053 Rome defeated both

[@wankawanka3053]

​@@cristhianramirez6939 Ostrogothic kingdom of italy yeah sure they were defeated by rome 💀

[@svihl666]

9:46 / 10:13

[@genti209]

6:42 thats me

[@angelosdaresis1477]

PHILIP V, King of Macedon (reigned 221 to 179 BC): "For on many occasions when I AND THE OTHER GREEKS sent embassies to you begging you to remove from your statutes the law empowering you to get booty from booty, you replied that you would rather remove Aetolia from Aetolia than that law." [Polyvius, 18.4.8]

[@edwinsparda7622]

Why is Teuta Black???

[@baconbrown5783]

the achaemenid expand agressive

[@Halcon_Sierreno]

I want to travel to the parallel universe where Carthage won.

[@vangelisskia214]

Demetrius of Pharos was Greek or at least half-Greek and not an Illyrian as he actually was from a well-known Greek colony founded in 385 BC on the island of Pharos, which is modern Hvar in Croatia. Edit: By the way, hard to find a more typical Greek name than Demetrios, which never ceased to be used since antiquity, through Byzantine and even modern times. Illyrians didn't have Greek names (at least not at those times), they had Illyrian...

[@OLTI27]

most probably was of greek origin but became illyrian ruler with the help of Rome after marrying Triteuta, the other wife of illyirian king Agron

[@vangelisskia214]

@@OLTI27 Something like that... He most probably was a Greek ruling over Illyrians. But in the video he is simply referred to as "Illyrian", which is a fallacy. They should at least have mentioned that most sources refer to him as having been of Greek origins..

[@geraltgrey-mane695]

Roma invicta:)

[@DevNevinYoutube]

Rome: Yes

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Greeks: Oh No

[@maureencora1]

When Did Romans Beat the Spartans?

[@thebalkanhistorian.3205]

If only Greece was unified against the Romans.

[@nourerrahmanebrahmia4035]

Numidia 🇩🇿

[@Slem7]

Teuta Albanian-Illyrian Queen 🇦🇱❤

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Albanians are not Illyrians

[@wankawanka3053]

​@@papazataklaattiranimam and you are not turk but it doesn't seem to be bothering you in any way😂

[@westsidermetalhead4997]

ROMA! AETERNA! VICTRIX!

[@kennydelatorre3501]

💯👍🇪🇸🇮🇹

[@ajmiyessine3837]

🇹🇳🇬🇷

[@mauriamazigh2964]

Thank you for the video and the effort. But it is a great mistake not to mention the Mauri tribe in what is now northern Morocco , the Moors territory extended to the Moulouya River. Thousands of Moors are going to watch this video and their eyes are going to hurt seeing those maps. Still, thanks again for the video.

[@HungryLoki]

It doesn't make sense to include information that isn't pertinent to the subject, which is the conquests of Greece and Hispania. Think of the thousands of gaulic tribes, they only briefly showed the ones that were actually mentioned in the video, only the larger empires are shown on the map. I think thousands of moors are going to watch this video and not even think about moorish territory not being included.

[@hanjianwar7189]

🤔

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

The whole of Greece was under foreign rule for many centuries,starting with the Roman conquest in the second century BC. What distinguishes the Ionian Islands from the rest of Greece is that, with some exceptions, they did not form part of the Ottoman Empire, while the rest of the Greek world was under Ottoman rule for anything between two hundred and five hundred years. The fact that these islands were ruled by Catholics rather than Muslims has made them strikingly different from the rest of Greece, in language, music, costume, cuisine and architecture. Hirst, A. and Sammon, P., 2014. The Ionian Islands. p.2.

[@wankawanka3053]

😂

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@wankawanka3053 👁️👅👁️

[@Slem7]

Roman Illyrian War I 229 Roman Illyrian War 2 228 Roman Illyrian War 3 168 Are one of the most significant Wars of Ancient Time🔥

[@wankawanka3053]

No they are not 😂 they were very easy for the romans to win them they didn't even need allies unlike with the Macedonian wars

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Slem7]

@@wankawanka3053 that's why it takes more than 225 years to Conquer the Illyrians, since 225 B.C till 5-7 A.E. so easy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Such an amator in History 😅😅😅

[@maskinisten019]

Very good indeed, hope you guys do more work on the other illyrian tribes, such as the Albanoi, Ardiaei and the Dardanians. They really went at it with Philip of Macedon, lots of wars 👍

[@wankawanka3053]

What info do we have about the albanoi

[@maskinisten019]

@@kristaps5296 how so? So you mean the illyrians dissapeared and the Albanians appeared exactly on that same spot with a unique language etc etc ...?

[@maskinisten019]

@@kristaps5296 Go to sleep mate.

[@wankawanka3053]

​@@maskinisten019 calling it same spot is very generous can't we do the same with the slavs then ?

[@maskinisten019]

@@wankawanka3053 which slavs? Balkan slavs that arrived in the late 7th century?

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Again Koraes' careful rhetoric, which matches his self-projection, seems to be in play; his classifications of“Greek slavery under the Romans” and “Greek slavery under the Ottomans” are closely linked a few lines below: Modern Greeks could justifiably boast more than Plutarch's contemporaries, when freed from the yoke of the savage tyrant, compared to which the Roman yoke could rightly be considered a luxury, and after they gain their freedom, they are willing to maintain it...16 Xenophontos, S., 2019. Brill's companion to the reception of Plutarch. Leiden: Brill, p.551.

[@wankawanka3053]

😂

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

The writer uses the ambiguous term “Hellene,” which generally means “pagan” in Byzantine Greek. Plethon and his followers used the term almost to the exclusion of all others when referring to their own countrymen. Nagy., 2003. Modern Greek Literature. Taylor & Francis, p.30. " In its final centuries , the Byzantine Empire was also called " Romania . " Remnants of this Roman heritage are still evident in such terms as " Rum " and " Rumeli . Georgius, Philippides, M. and Macarius, 1980. The fall of the Byzantine empire. Amherst, MA: Univ. of Massachusetts Pr., p.2. Given Gennadios ' strong religious and traditional orientation , one would expect him to adhere carefully to the traditional Byzantine nomenclature wherein Hellene signified pagan and Rhomaios Byzantine . Ćurčić, S. and Mouriki, D., 2019. The Twilight of Byzantium. Princeton: Princeton University Press, p.9. And there is also evidence that the word 'Hellene' now meant 'pagan', and Justinian did conduct persecutions of Hellenes. Scott, R., n.d. Byzantine chronicles and the sixth century.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

🤡🦃🤡🦃🤡

[@WelcomeToDERPLAND]

Conquest and subjugation, you know, the usual Roman expansion style.

[@cristhianramirez6939]

It's funny how Rome conquered Greece reluntanctly, and after much whining from small city states, said " *sighs* Ok fine" and took the whole region in one fell swoop

[@reynoldtanto4853]

Well let's talk about ,What empire should be the rightful succesor of roman empire.if we assumed they should be till today , Spanish,russian, ottoman,greek , french? Or?

[@closetglobe.IRGUN.NW0]

@PUBG PRO MYTH INDONESIA who do u think?

[@Matheus-mw4rm]

And spart at this time ? What They doo

[@Portugal_____]

Lusitanos 🇵🇹🇵🇹🇵🇹

[@Albanian_History]

✝️🇦🇱☦️

[@reynoldtanto4853]

Well let's talk about ,What empire should be the rightful succesor of roman empire.if we assumed they should be till today , Spanish,russian, ottoman,greek , french? Or?

[@Albanian_History]

@@reynoldtanto4853 rightful is either Italy or Greek. No one else

[@reynoldtanto4853]

@@Albanian_History lmao did you ever read the major event that, last heir of byzantine emperor gave away his claim to the imperial title, this time to Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile,lmao give your best response 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Albanian_History]

@@reynoldtanto4853 ☠️ok? I didn’t even comment anything about the heir. You randomly commented I just gave my opinion

[@Tephrinos]

And Greece was under Roman rule for 1550~.

[@wankawanka3053]

There was no greece

[@RealAlbo4life]

ILLYRIANS🇦🇱🇦🇱ALBANIANS🇦🇱🇦🇱STRONG💪🏻💪🏻

[@halfabeet]

the "garlic" tribes eh

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

In the European cartography of the fifteenth to eighteenth centuries, "Grecia" included Dalmatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, the coastal area of Asia Minor, Albania, and the Aegean islands (Karathanasis 1991, 9). For the Western audience in Germany, Austria, and Hungary, "Greek" (Greek Orthodox) was synonymous with Orthodoxy (Stoianovich 1960, 290). Regardless of their ethnic origins, most Greek Orthodox Balkan merchants of the eighteenth century spoke Greek and often assumed Greek names; they were referred to as "Greeks" in the sense that they were of the "Greek" religion. During the eighteenth century, the ge- ographic dispersion and the urban nature of the Greek ethnie in the Balkan peninsula transformed the "Greeks" into a Balkan urban class (Svoronos 1981, 58). Hence, the "Greeks" were not only the ethnic Greeks but generally included all the Orthodox merchants and peddlers, many of whom were Grecophone or Hellenized Vlachs, Serbs, or Orthodox Albanians. Roudometof, V. (2001) Nationalism, globalization, and orthodoxy: The social origins of ethnic conflict in the Balkans. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press. p.54 Indeed “Greek” was an emic term in the Hellenistic period, referring generally to both the original Greeks and the Hellenized population. Greek resurrection beliefs and the success of Christianity (with preview) New York: Palgrave Macmillan , 2009 Dag Øistein Endsjø The Hellenized peoples of the eastern Roman (later Byzantine) Empire consistently referred to themselves as 'Roman' (Romaioi) because, even though they were culturally Greek, they considered themselves a part of the Roman Empire. Barnett, G. (2017) Emulating alexander: How alexander the great's legacy fuelled Rome's wars with Persia. Barnsley: Pen et Sword Military. "Like all citizens of the Byzantine Empire. the Greeks were called Romaei Romaioi (i.e. Romans, a hang-over from the days of the Eastern Roman Empire of the 4th to 7th centuries. which gradually became Hellenized and was called the Byzantine Empire, from Byzantium , the old name of the city that was later renamed Constantinople after the Emperor Constantine , who transferred the capital of the Roman Empire from Rome to Byzantium in 330 A.D. ) . Pappageotes, G.C. (1960) Modern Greek Reader Demotic = Anagnōstikon Dēmotikēs. New York. p.7 I use the term Hellenic in order to differentiate 19th and 20th century national identity in modern Greece from the earlier, not so clear, use of terms like Graikos, Romios and, sometimes, Ellinas, which were all more or less synonymous for the Greek-Orthodox Christians of the Ottoman heartland. Hereafter, I use the term Greek to allude to the ambiguour use of this word (esc) bir contemporani scholar who refer without proper discrimination , to the representatives of the larger Greek - Orthodox Ottoman community , mostly hellenized or Greek - speaking , who probably considered themselves not as Hellenes but simply as " Romaioi " and Christians . Historein: A review of the past and other stories (1999). Athens, Greece: Nefeli Publishers. p.69

[@wankawanka3053]

😂

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@wankawanka3053 👁️🫦👁️

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

".. *whether someone calls us Hellenes or Romans, that is what we are, and we safeguard the succession of Alexander* and that of those after him .." -Manuel Chrysoloras [Exhortation on behalf of the Genos] «.. *Ἕλληνας βούλοιτό τις λέγειν εἴτε Ῥωμαίους, ἡμεῖς ἐσμὲν ἐκεῖνοι καὶ τὴν Ἀλεξάνδρου* δὲ καὶ τῶν μετ’ ἐκείνων *ἡμεῖς σώζομεν διαδοχήν* ..» -Μανουήλ Χρυσολωράς [Παρακίνησις ὑπὲρ τοῦ Γένους] Cry Goofy turd! 🤡🦃🤡

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

its important to note that the term "turk" was used in utter disgust for the peasantry. The ottomans spoke Farsi & Arabic, & to he called a turk was the ultimate insult! 😃👍🏻

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@SpartanLeonidas1821 🤓🤓🤓

[@JDDC-tq7qm]

Roman Era is the Golden age of Italian military after that Italy hasn't been the same again

[@nenenindonu]

While both conquests were on point Roman rule over Hispania was rather short compared to the impressive one and a half millennia long Roman domination of Greece and Greek subject populations

[@vandare6913]

Yet, the Spanish since the Roman conquest to this very day speak Romance languages, while the Greeks never - ever seized to speak Greek...

[@albatros33]

@@vandare6913 the entire modern Romance speaking peoples are descendants of Early European Farmers (not Italic) not only Spanish

[@hysenndregjoni853]

It's crazy how portions of the Balkans (mainland Greece, Northern Macedonia, Albania) have been more under Rome than Rome itself has been (the longest compared to any other territory actually, preview.redd.it/v3rcybq99u891.jpg?auto=webp&s=9c71b7e015bbb7e041f2ac95a29b81e6f1705252 )

[@wankawanka3053]

Well the greeks became romans their culture were already similar and ended up becoming one

[@gilpaubelid3780]

@@vandare6913 I don't think you understood what he was trying to do. He is a Turk. He is trolling in videos about byzantium and tries to confuse people that don't know much about byzantine history and don't know that the term "Roman" had a different meaning during the medieval period and was used by completely different people (Greeks). In other words he is taking advantage of the fact that medieval Greeks/byzantines had Roman citizenship and tries to present them as ancient Romans. That's why he said "the impressive ONE AND A HALF MILLENIA long Roman domination of Greece and Greek subject population". He includes as well the byzantine period that the empire was controlled by Greeks and Latin Romans weren't even part of the empire anymore. Apparently the medieval Greek were "dominated" by...themselves and were "subject" ...to themselves for 1000 years according to our Turkish friend.

[@yourtallness]

As a Greek, I wish we had avoided provoking Rome so much, since it appears we were in no state to resist her military might at the time. Especially considering they had no interest in the region.

[@wankawanka3053]

The problem wasn't provoking but joining them to fight other greek states

[@cristhianramirez6939]

Better Rome than fall into persian rule again

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

The Problem was Greeks fighting Greeks..the Romans exploited it!

[@samwill7259]

Rome spends a few centuries fucking around, throwing their weight, feeling superior and enforcing their will, growing taller than anybody else And they act so, SO surprised when people finally started treating them like they treated everybody else Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[@lcplapiata5501]

Try 2000 year's. A few centuries was just their pax Romana.

[@MintyLime703]

I don't think they were surprised to be treated as hostile. That's kinda the point. Getting everyone pissed off at you generates plenty of casus belli which, as a republic, is necessary to justify war to their people. Greece conveniently allied with Carthage and that sort of played right into Roman hands. I guess the only thing that may have been different or surprising to Rome is that their invasion of Greece had some fear behind it. Not just the Roman people, but the state too. Hannibal really shook them up.

[@b3ygghsas]

Bro that was the classical age, at that time you either expanded and got stronger or you got conquered, if you didn't expand then your kingdom wouldn't get stronger to face against a kingdom that did expand

[@jimmyandersson9938]

When did they act suprised?

[@flamurtusha1990]

ILLIRIKA 🇦🇱 an Albanian empire

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Nope

[@flamurtusha1990]

@@papazataklaattiranimam Learn history little monkey

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

@@flamurtusha1990 Traditionally scholars have seen the Dacians as ancestors of the mod- ern Rumanians and Vlachs and the Illyrians as the proto-Albanians. Perhaps (keeping in mind the frequent ethnic mixing as well as cultural and linguistic evolution) we should retain this view. However, from time to time these views have been challenged, very frequently for modern nationalistic reasons. For example, if the Illyrians were the ancestors of the Albanians, then the Albanians, as original inhabitants. have some historic right to that region and possibly rights to other regions which had been settled by Illyrians. And their Illyrian ancestry has been very important in Albanian nation-building myths. In the same vein, if the Dacians were proto-Rumanians then they were the original settlers and have historic rights to Rumania, particularly in the mixed region of Transylvania against claims of the late arriving (end of the ninth century) Hungarians. Not surprisingly, Hungarian scholars have been the leading critics of the claim that Dacians are Rumanians and argue that the Vlachs (or Rumanians) arrived in the eleventh and twelfth centuries when Vlachs first appear in the written sources. Recently the Albanian-Illyrian identification has come under more serious challenge from linguists. Before turning to the arguments, it must be pointed out that Dacian, Thracian, and Illyrian are not only dead languages but languages in which no texts have survived. Thus all that is known about these languages comes from personal and place names mentioned in classical texts or surviving place names (top- onyms). V. Georgiev argues that Illyrian place names are found in a far smaller area than I have given above for Illyrian settlement. Sec- ondly, he argues that, though the Albanians now live in what was Illyria, they themselves come from part of Moesia, from the Morava region of eastern Serbia. This was ethnically a Dacian region and thus he argues for a Dacian ancestry for the Albanians. These conclusions, he believes, are shown by the following: (1) Illyrian toponyms from an- tiquity do not follow Albanian phonetic laws. (2) Most ancient Latin loanwords in Albanian have the phonetic form of East Balkan Latin (i.e., proto-Rumanian) and not West Balkan (i.e., Old Dalmatian) Latin, suggesting the Albanians were descended from the Dacians. (3) The marine terminology in Albanian is borrowed from different lan- guages, suggesting that the Albanians were not originally a coastal people. (4) Few ancient Greek loanwords exist in Albanian; if the Albanians had originated in the Albanian-Epirus region there should be more. (5) There is no reference in any source to Albanians in the Albanian region until the ninth century. (6) Roughly one hundred Rumanian words are similar only to Albanian words, and when this fact is combined with the similar treatment of Latin in Albanian and Rumanian, Georgiev concludes that the Albanians came from what is now Rumania (or the region of Yugoslavia close to modern Rumania) and that their language developed during the fourth to sixth centuries when proto-Rumanian was formed. Rumanian he sees as a completely romanized Dacian-Moesian language whereas Albanian is a semiro- manized Dacian-Moesian language. These are serious (nonchauvinistic) arguments and they cannot simply be dismissed. Furthermore, during the fourth to sixth centuries the Rumanian region was heavily affected by large-scale invasions of Goths and Slavs, and the Morava valley (in Serbia) was a main inva- sion route and the site of the earliest known Slavic sites. Thus this would have been a region from which an indigenous population would naturally have fled. However, very little is known about the Dacian and Illyrian lan- guages and that little consists chiefly of certain place names and a few historical personal names. The Albanian language could well pre- serve large numbers of Illyrian features that simply are not known to linguists. The two languages, Dacian and Illyrian, may have been more similar than linguists think. And since the Morava region was near the border between Dacians and Illyrians, through direct contact possibly Illyrian was influenced by the Dacian language. The lack of early references to the Albanians is not significant. The centuries before the ninth are a period of few sources. And, if the Illyrians were proto- Albanians, the argument does not stand because sources mention II- lyrians there earlier. We should also note that Vlachs are not men- tioned anywhere in this period either. But, though they are not conclusive, the arguments for the Dacian origin of the Albanians have strong points and cannot be summarily dismissed. More evidence is needed which, owing to the nature of our sources, may never be obtained; thus the question may well be one of many in early Balkan history which we may never be able to answer. Moreover, the Albanians did not have a single ancestor in one or the other of these pre-Slavic peoples; the present-day Albanians, like all Balkan peoples, are an ethnic mixture and in addition to this main ancestor they contain an admixture of Slavic, Greek, Vlach, and Romano-Italian ancestry. In addition to these three Indo-European peoples, each living in its own zone of the pre-Slavic Balkans, other peoples had impact as well. Large numbers of Celts had passed through earlier, leaving their contribution to the gene pool as well as a wide variety of cultural (particularly artistic) influences. Large numbers of Roman veterans were settled in the Balkans (in particular, in what is now Yugoslavia). Different Germanic peoples (Ostrogoths. Visigoths, and Gepids) raided and settled (both on their own and as Roman federate troops) in the Balkans in large numbers over three centuries (third to sixth). And in the towns were merchants, officials, and soldiers, drawn from the whole empire, which included Italians, Germans, Greeks, Arme- nians, and other eastern peoples from Anatolia, Egypt, and Syria.

[@jwstex]

Same issue here as kings and generals, same old stuff, over and over and over. Can we at least find a new angle on things beaten to death by EVERYONE with a history channel on youtube?

[@cristhianramirez6939]

shut up

[@OptimusMaximusNero]

Seleucia: "We are the worthy heirs of Alexander!" Macedon: "No! We are his worthy heirs!" Epirus: "Both of you are idiots! We are his only heirs!" Romans: "Well, I guess they're crying out for us to "civilize" them..."

[@wankawanka3053]

Rome still needed other greeks for help

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

Nah, the Greeks were fighting each other, the Romans just exploited it. A united Greek Front would have crushed them. Heck, one Pyrros ALONE decimated them on their own turf…imagine the combined Hellenic World 😃

[@erenyeager7464]

Rome expanded because they WALK OUTSIDE 😂

[@Tephrinos]

We Greeks say we weren't really influenced by the Latin language and Roman culture but we were extremely influenced by the Latin language and Roman culture.

[@vandare6913]

Greek language and culture influenced Roman language and culture much more heavily than the other way around. But of course, both influenced each other and no better example than the hybrid Greco-Roman "Byzantine" empire.

[@Tephrinos]

@@vandare6913 Roman influenced Greece more we have to admit it.

[@vandare6913]

​@@Tephrinos "However, the most common language was Greek, and it is fair to say that for the vast majority of its history, the Byzantine Empire WAS MUCH MORE GREEK THAN ROMAN in cultural terms." Byzantine Empire: Definition by Mark Cartwright

[@wankawanka3053]

@@Tephrinos rome itself was influenced by greece so it's just a weird loop

[@Tephrinos]

@@vandare6913 in cultural terms, Greek culture didn't exist in the eastern Roman empire since Theodosius. The culture of the Romans of the east is Christian & Roman, just like that of modern Greece.

[@prodiG23]

They are not wrong when they say "Winners get to write the history", but finally my people being mentioned somewhere. All Roman and Greek bullshit, making you think that we Albanians jumped with parachutes there.

[@vangelisskia214]

I think you posted this comment by mistake under the wrong video. No mention of any Albanians in this one.

[@Kevin_M312]

Illyria was mentioned hence why he is talking about Albanians. Considering Albanian is a Paleo-Balkan language and retains Doric Greek loanwords as well as extensive Vulgar Latin loanwords he is not wrong to mention Albanians considering they are possibly the only surviving group of people from Illyria that didnt get decimated or assimalted. Loan words only get transferred when two cultures interact with each other as a result of living near them.

[@wankawanka3053]

Well you guys couldn't write anything lmao🤣

[@Kevin_M312]

@@wankawanka3053 except we did. Just how we mostly use Latin alphabet today to type in English we used the Greek alphabet to write back then. Look up Messapians. They had inscriptions using Greek letters but the words resemble proto-Albanian words. If you scroll to Lexicon they compare the words found with Albanian ones.

[@vangelisskia214]

@@Kevin_M312 The majority of expert historians, linguists, archaeologists and sociologists do not support the theory that the Albanians are ancestors of the Illyrians. There is no actual proof whatsoever to suggest that. It's pure speculation. There is not any actual evidence that modern Albanians are descendants of those ancient Illyrian tribes, which in fact existed all over the north-western Balkans, in places such as modern Bosnia, Montenegro and even Croatia and not only in what is now modern Albania. The Illyrians were last mentioned in the 7th century A.D. and the Albanians were first mentioned in the 11th century A.D. There is a huge gap of around 400 years. There is no proof whatsoever which could definitively show that the Albanians are the descendants of the ancient Illyrians, while no linguistic connection can be established according to all expert linguists. In Albanian all words concerning the sea are of Greek or Latin origin. According to most expert linguists the ancestors of modern Albanians came from somewhere far from the Mediterranean coastline, most probably modern Romania, So basically the Illyrian theory is just an unproven theory and nothing more.

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

The Greeks were fighting each other (per usual), the Romans just exploited it. A united Greek Front would have crushed them. Heck, one Pyrros ALONE decimated them on their own turf…imagine the combined Hellenic World. Not even, even 1/4 of the Hellenic World United would have Crushed them! 👍🏻

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

😂😂😂

[@papazataklaattiranimam]

Hellenic history is weak history ;)

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@papazataklaattiranimam Our slaves for 1,000+ Yil 👇🏻 ✅ CUMans ✅ Pechnegs ✅ Avars ✅ Khazars ✅ Tatars ✅ Magyars ✅ Bulghars ✅ Kipchaks Recap for turkics: Slaves to Scythians Slave to Chinese (Uigyurs still) Slaves to Mongols Slaves to Persians Slaves to Arabs Slaves to Greeks Slaves to Russians (USSR & still) 🤡🦃🤡

[@SpartanLeonidas1821]

@@papazataklaattiranimam Our slaves for 1,000+ Yil 👇🏻 ✅ CUMans ✅ Pechnegs ✅ Avars ✅ Khazars ✅ Tatars ✅ Magyars ✅ Bulghars ✅ Kipchaks Recap for turkics: Slaves to Scythians Slave to Chinese (Uigyurs still) Slaves to Mongols Slaves to Persians Slaves to Arabs Slaves to Greeks Slaves to Russians (USSR & still) 🤡🦃🤡

[@bulqizafotovideo8602]

🇦🇱🇦🇱🤝🇽🇰🇽🇰🇦🇱🇦🇱

[@kathanak2290]

LoL! And what is the fate of Rome now? All have been relegated to smithereens. Nothing is left of the past. But look at India! Over 14000 years of tradition still exists as still!

[@Muddybagclean]

Jesus Loves You All

[@hamzaalkhfajy]

I don't feel like it

[@cvoudaskc1852]

ILLYRIA Greek lands ! Not Albanian

[@Kevin_M312]

Illyria wasn't Greek. Greeks called their northern neighbors Illyrians. This is why they only had small colonies up the Adriatic coast not that much land inwards from Illyria. Albanian still retains Doric Greek loanwords which mean the speakers were in contant and interacted with the Greeks when Doric Greek was spoken. The only two regions that bordered Greece at the time was Illyria, and Thracia (not included Macedonian because they were most likely Greek). Considering the Thracians got assimilated by the Bulgars this would leave Illyrians as the only northern neighbor who survived.

[@wankawanka3053]

@@Kevin_M312 you forgot about paeonia

[@ggenti]

6:42 thats my name

[@daakis0173]

Who are illyrians today? What happened to them I've heard about queen Teuta and King Genti and Bardyl They say that today modern Illyrians are albanians especially from Kosovo But i don't know if that's 100% sure

[@vandare6913]

"So while linguists may debate about the ties between Albanian and older languages of the Balkans, and while most Albanians may take the genealogical connection to Illyrian as incontrovertible, THE FACT remains that there is simply INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE to connect Illyrian, Thracian, or Dacian with any language, including Albanian" Curtis, Matthew Cowan (30 November 2011). Slavic-Albanian Language Contact, Convergence, and Coexistence. p. 18. "The origins of the Albanian people ARE NOT DEFINITELY KNOWN, but data drawn from history and from archaeological and anthropological studies have led SOME researchers to consider the Albanians to be the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians. The linguistic EVIDENCE in that regard is MOST UNCLEAR; the Albanian language is certainly a distinct branch of the Indo-European family, but, largely because of a dearth of information on the language of the ancient Illyrians, it is difficult to convincingly demonstrate a connection between the two languages. (Some scholars, moreover, dispute such theses, arguing that Illyrians were not autochthonous to Albania and that Albanian derives from a dialect of the now-extinct Thracian language, but again the data are sparse and thus the arguments are difficult to judge.)" britannica/place/Albania/Cultural-institutions

[@vandare6913]

"Since the Illyrians are referred to for the last time as an ethnic group in Miracula Sancti Demetri (7th century AD), some scholars maintain that after the arrival of the Slavs the Illyrians were extinct." Juka 1984, p. 60, Juka, S. S. (1984), Kosova: The Albanians in Yugoslavia in Light of Historical Documents: An Essay, Waldon Press

[@daakis0173]

@@vandare6913 thank you for the information

[@poukaa7047]

In the 19th century, the name Illyrian was chosen by the members of the movement as a reference to the theory according to which South Slavs descend from ancient Illyrians. Fearing provincial particularism, reformers believed that the Illyrian name would make it easier to implement literary unity.

[@prodiG23]

@@poukaa7047 thats the most stupid theory I have ever heard. Albanians have 0 connection with Slav people.

[@Ecthelion007]

dislike for the many ads

[@rockykrass7079]

The Romans fought 3 times for 9 years with the Illyrian tribes, why are the Macedonians seen? this is called historical manipulation

[@rockykrass7079]

it was the Illyrian Peninsula and there were no Macedonians or Greeks at all, the Slavs/Greeks came to Europe in the 8th century, their history is a complete fairy tale, nothing true.