How did so many Jedi fail the order? Or did the order fail them? (Battle of the Heroes & Villains)

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Respond to this comment with your nomination for which character we should do next, or vote with a thumbs up if they're already listed.

[@austinlane23]

Hondo Ohnaka

[@jessicaa4901]

Admiral Jeff Blue Jeans

[@abthedragon4921]

Kit Fisto

[@nishantjoshi5174]

Anakin Skywalker/ Darth Vader

[@The_Galactic_War_Room]

@@austinlane23 yes!

[@ShadowJedi527]

"A Jedi (individual) is wise but the Jedi Order (as a whole) during the Prequel era is foolish" - Thor Skywalker I really agree with this statement

[@AllysonA8281]

Plo Koon is still one of the coolest looking Jedi in my opinion and I always really enjoyed how calm and controlled he seemed in The Clone Wars. He gave off an aura of wisdom much like Yoda did.

[@captaindc3889]

I kinda wish we could’ve seen more of Plo Koon in season 7 at least one last time

[@ImTheReverse]

We did.

[@captaindc3889]

Not exactly what I meant tho...

[@bengi8907]

@@captaindc3889 Me too.

[@ImTheReverse]

@@captaindc3889 Yeah, it would’ve been nice to see Ahsoka have another interaction with him. He would’ve been so happy to see her after she left the Order. 😢 I cri evry day

[@henry_tsai]

I just find it funny that Jar Jar is almost one tier higher than Rey.

[@ake5853]

”I love democracy” - palpatine

[@abthedragon4921]

Yeah, personally that's the few placements I disagree with because while I agree Rey isn't a great character, she was at least fun to watch for the be most part. Jar Jar (for me at least) was painful to listen to almost 100% of the time.

[@Busterbean907]

Do the smiling Jamaican squid-head, Kit Fisto!

[@captainpep3]

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[@ImJEllisAF]

Pleeeeease

[@mckayhatch6723]

He’s a great example of a good leader. He truly cares about those who follow him. He is wise and he is humble. He even admitted his mistakes, just look at his apology to Ahsoka as evidence. This video made me a much bigger fan of Plo Koon. He, like Qui-Gon is what a Jedi should strive to be. It would be kinda cool to have a series with him and Qui-Gon exploring what a Jedi should be.

[@slicerneons3300]

I was a fan of Plo Koon ever since his appearence in the Jedi Power Battles game weilding an Orange Lightsaber. A cool character who I would welcome getting more screentime.

[@luvanime680]

What game is that?

[@slicerneons3300]

@@luvanime680 It's an old arcade combat game I had on PS1. Enjoyed it despite never beating it.

[@itstreasonthen4200]

@@slicerneons3300 that game was a ton of fun, but pretty hard, I never beat it either lol

[@harlannguyen4048]

Wasn't Electric Judgement first introduced in that game?

[@stephendahlheimer2027]

Same here. Great game. Great character.

[@ShinennoHikari]

Plo Koon and Kit Fisto have always been two of my favorite prequel era jedi, but it was never a lot about how they were portrayed in the clone wars. Yes they were both awesome in that series as well, but my love for them came from legends. In the old EU Plo Koon was explained as the most skilled "alter" force user in the order all the way to the point that he accidentally created a light side version of force lightning that I'm pretty sure he called force judgement, and that we later see Grandmaster Luke use as well, and that just always seemed so cool to me. Plus back then he had a different color lightsaber than most jedi - I think it was yellow. Either way, and I know that it is superficial to me, but Plo Koon was always just cool.

[@SomethingThatRhymes]

3D Clone Wars did an amazing job of humanising the clones and highlighting the different views of them in the Jedi order

[@abbyyates9533]

Plo Koon and the Wolf Pack are such a great little family, I love it so much

[@psychosalad6653]

I wish we saw more of his relationship with Ahsoka

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

People are over hate the Jedi even though they almost always do the right thing in both the movies and the TV show. They literally spend the entire Clone Wars saving lives and the often sacrifice themselves to save others because the value the lives of innocents more. Like the entire reason the clones even have individual identifies is because the Jedi cared about the Clone and fostered independence among them. People call the Jedi distant but they are literally on the battlefield saving lives because they value saving lives. One of the major criticisms people have is that the Jedi should not have gone to war. But this critisms done't really hold up because was was basically a necessity. The CSI has already amassed an army and they were going to use it. They had already instigate the conflict by attempting to assassinate the a member of the Republic and were about to kill Padme along with two Jedi who were protecting her. Not to mention that a Sith Lord was leading the Separatists, the Jedi aren't just going to let a Sith Lord rule half the galaxy! The Jedi could have either gotten involved or done nothing. If they did nothing the Separatist and Sith would have surely taking over the entire galaxy and millions would have died and the Jedi would have been negligent. The Jedi entered the war because they knew it was the only way to end the conflict without the Sith taking over. Peacekeepers never want to go to war but sometimes, war is legitimately the only way to keep the peace. And by being involved in the war, the Jedi could control the brutality of the Republic. The clones and military officers would have killed, tortured, and devastated people left and right if the Jedi were not in control. People seem for forget that under the Jedi never let their soldiers kill non-combatants or torture combatants. Seriously, just look at the individual characters of all the Jedi we ever see in the show. They all care about and risk their lives to save people, we literally see them die to save innocents on several occasions. They are morally upright, courageous, and always prefer to find peaceful solutions even in a time of war. This includes all the members of the Jedi council including Mace Windu, who didn't even want to kill the Zilo Beast. No one is perfect, but people need to seriously look at the high level of morality and all the prequels Jedi had before they go around calling them a "failed order".

[@plutoreturns9630]

While I would agree that it was the Jedi as a flawed collective that led to their fall and the rise of the Sith, there were individual Jedi who possessed traits that I think were very damaging - Mace Windu was a Jedi who loved combat perhaps too much, really reflecting the Jedi's willingness to go to war which only played into the hands of the Sith. - Luminara Unduli is said to be very detached (if she was the Jedi that visited the Martez sisters after the accident). Even without that, her detachment could have helped foster the fall of her apprentice, Barriss Offee. - Ki-Adi Mundi was very arrogant as we see in Yoda's arc of TCW (he was against the idea that Qui-Gon was trying to communicate with Yoda through the force) and even in the Phantom Menace he is one of the first to reject the idea that the Sith had returned. A very closed minded individual So individual Jedi did possess the flaws of the Order, some to extreme degrees. Obviously on the whole these flaws don't make them 'bad Jedi' on their own, but I think flaws do have to be present in individuals of a group for the group as a whole to act like that. If all the Jedi were like Plo Koon, Qui-Gon, Yoda or Obi-Wan, they wouldn't have been flawed as a collective and would have been able to stop the Sith.

[@ontasbulent5709]

Plo Koon was a good person and was compassionate but he was flawed too he went to the war and ignored the will of the force. Qui Gon would never fight in the war. He wasn’t perfect but he was a good man he didn’t deserve to die like that

[@bengi8907]

True no one is hundred percent perfect. Most Jedi like to believe or delude themselves in believe that follow the Will of the Force, but they were blinded by dogma. The only one who is comparable to Qui-Gon is Rohm Kota from Force Unleashed games. He thought the Jedi lost their way. Sadly he isn’t canon anymore.

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

How did he ignore the will of the force?

[@bengi8907]

@@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs Because they stopped. Qui-Gon trusted in the Will of the Force to guide him, but the other Jedi were following the whims of the Senate and the Republic.

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

@@bengi8907 oh, I see. Good point.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Qui Gon would have 100% fought in the war. The Jedi had no choice _but_ to go to war. They knew that a Sith Lord was in charge of the separatists, war was the only option because there was no other way to defeat Count Dooku.

[@darkpool7289]

It's kinda of a shame that we didn't saw him in the Clone Wars use electric judgement, which is the jedi version of force lightning but it's weaker and yellow

[@macwelch8599]

The Order failed everyone

[@ian_snow]

Including Luke Skywalker.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Not really. They accomplished so much and literally saved millions of lives over the course of the war. It feels really entitled to say they failed because that basically means you're made they couldn't save everyone even though they tried. The Jedi are not all powerful, but they did everything they could to stop the Sith and they almost succeeded in foiling them.

[@TIGER-xk4gk]

A series can do good for overlooked characters that say nothing in the films

[@TheFuzzFunk]

I remember being a fan as a kid after playing Jedi Power Battles on PS1. He had the orange/yellow lightsaber on the game and his first action figure, which immediately made him different from everyone else. Too bad the lightsaber colors got axed in movie canon. But I am glad that his character was fleshed out more in Clone Wars and he was given a much more positive light than some of his other peers.

[@Raul.Alejo1098]

It would be great if master Plo Koon appears as a force ghost to guide Ahsoka in her Disney+ series.

[@darthcadeaus8254]

I think that was part of the beauty of Palpatine’s trap for the Jedi. They could not abandon the Republic, but also had to stand by their core values. There wasn’t really any way out for them, corrupt or not. While of course there were some Jedi, like Windu, that corrupted their ideals, most of the Jedi, Yoda, Obi-wan, Plo-Koon, Kit Fisto, etc, there just wasn’t a way out for.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I totally agree. I think people say the Order was corrupted as a blanket statement and that's not true. A minority of Jedi were corrupted and Count Dooku and Mace Windu and thier fatal flaws are part of what corrupted Anakin, because he started to see these supposedly sterling examples of the Jedi as no different from the Sith. But most of the Jedi were true to the Jedi way like the ones you mentioned. These people did the right thing most of if not all the time. Like I don't think Obi-Wan ever makes an incorrect decision in the movies, he's a Jedi through and through. Only a few Jedi ultimately became weak in there adherence to the code but it was certainly few and far between if we are talking about the entire Jedi Order.

[@mtdewxtreme669]

What about kit fisto? I think theyre in the same class, i think theyre both way more likeable than ki-adi mundi, id love to see how they interract with qui-gon if we ever get pre phantom menace material

[@shadowrealmmedia9448]

For me, Aayla Secura's death was saddest by the sheer brutality of her execution. All of her men just fired on her before she could even respond with a simple glimpse. They rained blaster fire so much that even George Lucas wanted her body covered up by Felucian fungi trees. Plo Koon's death hits hard but even after watching Clone Wars, his face doesn't omit any emotion nor does he ever say anything so it's still hard for me to pity him more than Secura or Mundi. Mundi deserved it with his smugness and perfectionist strategies, but his face said it all.

[@ggt47]

I would like to think that he did survive. Dave did not have his voice during Ahsoka force disburb.

[@dazdavis7896]

Other than like Anakin or Luke, and maybe Obi-Wan, he’s always been my favorite Jedi out there. Ever since I used to dominate with him in Jedi power battles on PS1. I just liked his orange saber when I was like an 8 yr old kid. And that he was the only one that could throw lightning. Well “electric judgment” as it would later be named. The Jedi puss version of sith lightning apparently.

[@highlyopinionated5611]

It's sad. Plo Koon is a great character by himself, but all the fans remember him for are his relationships with other characters, and how other characters, like Ahsoka, saw him....

[@bengi8907]

Yeah, he fought in Yiinchari War and the Stark Hyperspace War. He also had a yellow Lightsaber and could do Force Judgment which is just weaker Force Lighting. I wish we could have Prequel show set before Episode I. Exploring the galaxy prior to the Clone Wars cause most things are just the ramifications of the Clone Wars. Seeing Padawan Obi-Wan and more Qui-Gon. Also letting other Jedi have their time shine.

[@nickwilson3499]

@@bengi8907 “prequel show before episode one” is The Acolyte

[@nickwilson3499]

@@bengi8907 “prequel show before episode one” is The Acolyte

[@bengi8907]

@@nickwilson3499 Not exactly what I mean, but hearing the background stuff with production has me cautious.

[@benutd9347]

I loved when plo koon sat in a chair that one time in the movies he’s my favourite Jedi ever

[@benutd9347]

In all seriousness he’s a cool character but if you haven’t watched clone wars then you can’t really judge him

[@ian_snow]

“When 900 years old you get, set in your ways you will be.”

[@franchobenitez3778]

Even as a kid I loved Plo Koon,and I didn't even knew his name very well

[@abbyyates9533]

Same, he was one of me and my brother’s favorite action figures just bc he was really cool

[@niccistarkiller1131]

Plo Koon was one of the characters from the prequels that I immediately loved and wanted to see more of. We got more in the CW but for me I would love a Plo Koon series his story before and during the prequels. Also that the Jedi took on being in charge of the army, wasn't it to defend the systems in the republic. They didn't start the war but they saw that they could manage to lead the clone troopers to defend the republic

[@ryanwalker2016]

Luminara or barriss? I forget if these have been done yet

[@DarthNoshitam]

How could the "We [the Jedi] are Justice" line not come up in this video? Lol

[@superdewott3209]

I never had a problem with the prequel Jedi. They literally shaped their entire lives around the force and saving lives. It could be they, like Quigon, were so trusting in the force, they didn't see the warning signs, or their force was tainted by Palpatine presence

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I entirely agree. Everything they did was to save lives and they succeeded for the most part. I feel like people get mad at the Jedi because they are upset they didn't fix everything, which is a really entitled way of thinking, no one is all powerful and you can't expect the Jedi to solve every problem especially when they are going against a mastermind like Sidious.

[@bookgirl810s]

Yes, the Force was tainted by Palpatine. "The Dark Side clouds everything..." "Our ability to use the Force is diminished." The ROTS novel (though no longer "canon") mentions that Obi-Wan gets a moment of clear access to the Force, the way it had felt when he was young, before something had changed.

[@michaelhorning6014]

"Committees -- Because none of us is as dumb as all of us."

[@johnconner9296]

One thing I'm surprised wasn't mentioned was electric judgement. That's the first thing I think of when Plo Koon is mentioned.

[@harlannguyen4048]

Well, as cool as that power is, he only used it in Legends.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@harlannguyen4048 its not like legends is off the table for discussion though. It would have been nice to see thors opinion on a “jedi” version of force lighting oh well

[@scolioreset]

Wolves, especially in Japan in the Shinto belief, were messengers, great spirits (an okami so to speak), protectors of the farmers' crop. The fact that Jedi Master Plo Koon is associated to the Wolfpack as a General of the 104th Battalion, the Alpha of the pack in a way, it does reinforce this image of a benevolent figure that we have come to label him with. Just take that into account next time we talk about great leaders in relation to other cultures and mythology. Think of Wolf Link in Zelda: Twilight Princess or Okami from Capcom (Clover Studio, the pre-PlatinumGames).

[@dereklopez9060]

Plo Koon was the only Jedi that actually felt bad for Ahsokas unfair trial out of everybody else in the Jedi Council.

[@ggt47]

Yes! Not even Obi wan apologised.

[@dereklopez9060]

@@ggt47 Not even Mace Windu.

[@ImTheReverse]

Ki-Adi and Saesee were at least accountable for their wrongdoing.

[@ggt47]

@@dereklopez9060 The only time he apologies is too the citisen.

[@ggt47]

@@ImTheReverse True. You could if not a sorry you could tell Ahsoka appreciate their comments.

[@redhairedshanks5845]

I think the most true jedi of all was Kenobi. After everything he's been through he never turned to the dark side. Probably because of the second most true Jedi in my opinion , qui gon jin.

[@DrewOnTinder]

Do Kanan Next!

[@wolfgang6442]

Real interesting I may say

[@ledanoir1239]

4:06 seriously guys, your hate for windu is childlish. I bet he doesn't care about his troops. That's why he make the effort to save the AT-TE pilot in that Ryloth episode instead of just runing away

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Not to mention he was the only now who wanted to save the Zilo Beast. He even cared about non-sentient life.

[@NicVegas]

Plo Koon is awesome in TCW and was my favorite character to pick in Jedi Power Battles back in the day. Too bad they didn't keep his yellow lightsaber as canon

[@saphiriathebluedragonknight375]

The respect and trust the Jedi had for their Clone Troopers is why Order 66 was so successful.

[@florgi121]

I saw Master Plo in the thumbnail and I clicked SO FAST

[@ironjehoshaphat2764]

Plo Koon is one of my most favorite Jedi in the Prequel Era.

[@RyanTheDark]

Because unfortunately the Order was overly flawed. Luckily, Luke fix this mistake, and I'm certain Jaina continued his Order down. Plo Koon is actually one of the Masters who is a decent Council Member.

[@superdewott3209]

What was their flaw?

[@averageinternetchristian]

@@superdewott3209 their arrogance, pride, maybe even their fear of the dark side. They assumed the sith were extinct and didn't even really check. Then in 19 BBY, he got rekt

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

Agreed

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@averageinternetchristian People always say the Jedi were arrogant but it done't really add up. The Jedi in all the movies are extremely humble, care deeply about all people, listen to others, and lift people up. They didn't "assume" the Sith wen't extinct, they were literally beaten (likely killed) 1000 years ago and hadn't been seen since. That's not assuming, that means they were extinct. And as soon as the Sith came back the Jedi immediately mades moves to combat the Sith. That is being proactive and immediately responding to the situation. And it worked, Darth Maul was killed and a threat was averted, for a while at least. That's also why they declared war on Count Dooku, because he was a Sith. The Jedi engaged the Sith at every opportunity to contain them.

[@luckyraygun1607]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi looo at clone war again and plz come back look at the way they talked to anakin and plz come back they didn’t trust anakin with shit they used him and never helped him with his problems they said don’t worry about it pretty much if the Jedi were actually like qui gon anakin would of never turn

[@TimFromWinfield]

From what we see of Plo Koon, it makes you wonder where things would have gone had he headed the Council. Mace Windu for example was a badass warrior, but he never struck me as the patient and kind leader an organization like the Jedi needed, and Yoda for as kind, and caring as he was, seemed a little oblivious to the changes that were happening. (perhaps when you live that long, your perspective of things is skewed?) Would he have handled Anakin differently maybe?

[@threetreestall5954]

A Jedi who, early on, encourages individuality and complexity amongst the clones deserves true distinction. A Jedi who encouraged contemplation and honesty, both in the clones and Jedi warriors around him...

[@JesusHasRisen1]

Suggestion: I believe you should examine HK-47. I know it is unorthodox, but I feel like it's worth a try

[@shawnhollahan590]

I’ll never get over the fact that Plo Kloons head is a roasted chicken with a gas mask

[@josephpenarrieta9619]

Thank you! I thought I was the only one

[@Vos661]

Plo Koon was already a well developped character back in 2005. Acts of War, The Stark Hyperspace War, Dreadnaughts of Rendili,... If you were a SW fan back then, then the death of Ki-Adi, Aayla and Plo Koon was very hurtful because they were heroes in the comics, moreso than they were in TCW.

[@romantashchyan2618]

Plo Koon is one of the most underrated characters in all of Star Wars. Dude is 1000% A tier. #wolfpack

[@giannapetrunich3653]

I am rewatching all the clone wars

[@dylanbiggs3997]

Thank you for this video Thor! I'm been looking forward to this one! ❤️ He definitely needs more screen time to flesh him out!

[@alexharris667]

Watched Rebels again, so I'd like to see a poll for Kanan Jarrus/Caleb Dume

[@truesouldatdude]

Plo koon was my favorite jedi growing up mostly due to him being in a Phantom Menace video game I played growing up.

[@kevinshepardson1628]

If one includes the comics, Master Fay definitely stayed true to following the Force above all else.

[@勝-e2g]

plo koon is ranked lower than mace windu!? how underrated

[@Duncan23]

In response to the title I think the order definitely failed the jedi's. They got too political and bureaucratic and lost sight of thier original purpose/mission and lost thier independence from the government of the republic.

[@JoRoq1]

Most people think the phrase "Power corrupts ..." means becoming bad or evil. Here we see a demonstration of the corruption not being towards something bad, but an undermining and hollowing out of the good intentions.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Becoming politically involved is often the only way to make elating positive change. If the Jedi were not politically involved they would have been an outside faction inflicting their will on the Republic which sounds and awful lot like a dictatorship to me.

[@turkeydinnerchewie2499]

Kit Fisto’s smile tho

[@dynamoterror18]

I'm surprised he's below Mace Windu. He's become one of the best and most likable Jedi thanks to the Clone Wars show.

[@David_Alvarez77]

The Jedi were not the corrupt, dogmatic types people seem to think they are in the Clone Wars era. They were not exploiting the clones and making them fight their war for them. The Jedi were--very much like the clones--the servants of the Republic who were from infancy taught to be selfless, value others over their own well-being, and to dedicate themselves to the welfare of the Republic. They follow the will of the Force, sure, but they also live as part of the Republic which has been, for the most part, the best governing or administrative organization the galaxy has known. The Jedi had long been the guardians of peace and prosperity in the Old Republic. It was every bit as much a part of being a Jedi and was mystically following the will of the Force. If anything, the Jedi were more like the Clones than they were like anyone else, even if many of them did not realize this. The blame ultimately is squarely on the backs of the Sith who were plotting and realizing the downfall of the Jedi and the Republic, the Senate which became too willing to accede to the will of a dictator, and the populace generally who were all too happy to farm out their security and military responsibilities ( and all the dying) to two groups who some might argue were not too different from enslaved soldiers. Sure, individual Jedi could leave, but at what cost? It was the only life and home they ever knew (except Anakin of course). At any rate, the Republic had de-militarized and as a result of the Sith's plot, they had no resources except an order of self sacrificing monks and a slave army, which they used and sacrificed gladly.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Thank your for this comment! I'm tired of people simplifying and misunderstanding who the Jedi are in the Clone Wars. The only people who call the Jedi corrupt and dogmatic are people like Count Dooku, Sidious, and fallen Jedi. And hint hint, they are the bad guys who are trying to manipulate the protagonists, you are never supposed to believe them! Even worse than the unreliable narrator is the unreliable audience who believes everything the unreliable narrator says without thinking. And my, oh my are there many unreliable audience members who misunderstand what Star Wars is trying to communicate to them. The Last Jedi and how thoroughly it misunderstood the Jedi didn't help, it just further misinform viewers.

[@David_Alvarez77]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi I agree. It is rather bizarre how much people accept a distorted vision of the Jedi and how so many of the common talking points in critiquing the Jedi are just Sith propaganda lines. And you are definitely correct about the Last Jedi. Good to see other people who still think the Jedi are worth their salt.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@David_Alvarez77 There is so much misinformation online about this, I hope somebody has the guts to make a video and clarify it. And because so many people misunderstand the Jedi, it's really comforting to find another random person who knows that they are talking about so thank *you* for your fantastic comment!

[@goodmind4940]

@@David_Alvarez77 I think Luke was insane in the Last Jed and projecting his own failure onto Old Order, so he's also unreliable narrator for most of the movie

[@nerdrage557]

The Order became an entrenched shadow government essentially being secretly used by Sidious for his endgame that came to be. The few who noticed something was going horribly wrong (Yoda, Mace, Obi Wan) knew too late to stop it. Fear of the dark side was not something they preached but they should have studied the past more intently

[@tripwire6306]

The Jedi failed the force. Quigon admittedly came close to being a true Jedi, as did imho Ahsoka. But the interaction between and amongst the council involves politics, and with politics comes arrogance. Anakin may not have been true to the Jedi, but he was the chosen one and he did what was needed. Clean slate. We see in the hated trilogy that needs to be forgotten, nothing has changed except the Mary Sue didn't need years of training to screw up. I truly thank whatever Gods were around to not bestow the Darth title to Ren.

[@ajanaya8055]

Plo Koon > Ki Adi Mundi

[@1701Emperor]

Plo Koon lives!... On in our hearts.. :'(

[@tidlet5568]

Been a fan of Plo Koon since Jedi Power Battles on ps1 when Mace Windu had a blue lightsaber

[@ondururagittandeska2004]

Ihave been recommending this guy for so long

[@EverydayAnimalShorts]

No one: Thor Skywalker: *Now..*

[@digitalllama8290]

You should do rose tico next I would love to see the results for that

[@cheshirekat8273]

The Jedi accepting the creation of the clone army was the Pinacle of their Decadence, as far as I interpret it. The Jedi had become so fanatical with their denial of Attachments that individual lives had lost all value. The less attached one is to a single person, the more relative their value is. The greatest attrocities can be committed in the name of the Greater Good and those who commit them rarely mean to do wrong. So, the Jedi meant well and cared about the clones, but they were fine with the clones dying, because it was "for the best"... And that is the opposite of protecting life, which means that every individual life counts. It's a strange phenomenon that you can find in dangerous cults.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

The Jedi literally sacrificed their own lives to save the lives of others, that's how much they cared about individual lives. They always saved a life whenever they could and they valued these other lives. Like the entire reason the clones even had identities is because the Jedi fostered individuality among them. But the Jedi are not so naive as to believe they can save everyone. And the Jedi know that saving many lives is more important than saving a single life (as any sane human being does). Whenever a Clone dies in Clone Wars the Jedi are clearly upset but they have to move on because there is a battle to win. The Jedi not not fanatical in their denial of attachments, they just have priorities like any leader in war does. Soldiers die, but you don't let their deaths be in vain and you don't waste time on the battlefield morning them because then more people will die. The Jedi did nothing wrong by leading the Clones into battle. And those Clones would be fighting in the war with or without the Jedi. Th Jedi leading them actually resulted in less Clone deaths than if someone else was commanded them.

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

Plo Koon was a great Jedi. He did truly care about the clones, and saw them as individual people instead of just a number. He was one of the only Jedi that stould up for Ahsoka when Barris framed her. Yoda and Anakin did to if course, but even Obe-Wan said nothing. It was a shame to see him and all the other Jedi die in ROTS, even though we all knew it was coming.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

That's not true, I literally defended Ahsoka onscreen. Plo Kool didn't even defend her onscreen, only I did! And to be fair, other Jedi likely defended her offscreen too.

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi you did? I don't remember you saying anything.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

@@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs Yup, I adamantly defended her before the trail but I was outvoted. It's in the episode and that's why Yoda called it a spilt decision.

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi the Jedi council should have believed her in the first place and not accused her. You guys were wrong and it caused her to leave the Jedi order.

[@eternalreality3260]

Hey, Thor. Friendly advice but if you get the time check out Lore Star’s video titled “Filoni already proved the sequels are in another universe” Curious about your thoughts.

[@jessetorres8738]

So, exactly how many Jedi survived Order 66? I once heard that there were over 10,000 Jedi at the beginning of the Clone Wars, but after the Jedi fell from Order 66 only about 300 survived. Does anyone know for sure though?

[@abthedragon4921]

I think only a few dozen survived in the canon but as for the EU, I don't know.

[@peanutbutter6720]

In the initial massacre I could see 300 surviving, though I think that’s the highest it could go. There’s isn’t a set number afaik, but there was definitely enough to need the inquisitors rather than Vader exclusively hunting them down. As well as some survivors just giving up on the order and living a different life.

[@thejediofchicago6580]

I think I had read/seen somewhere in the EU that Order 66 was 99% effective, so maybe 100 Jedi (Padawans, Knights, Masters, younglings) survived.

[@silentjester4817]

I don’t think a total number has been listed since the canon reset, but as far as Jedi we have seen, if we only count those that were on the light side and survived at least 5 years following Order 66 without falling to the dark side: Obi Wan Yoda Asoka Grogu Kanan/Caleb Dume Cal Cere(though she cut herself of from the force) I’m probably missing some but by my count that’s 7 known survivors, 6 if we are not counting Cere

[@leiferikson850]

EU: Most of order 66 victims were either at the temple or during field actions in the clone wars. Most survivors were of the Jedi servise corps (mostly containing those who failed their Jedi trials and still could serve in other more practical activities in different locations. Its those facts that kept them away from the temple at Coruscant and the battle field and thus allowed them to survive.

[@stonerainproductions]

I'd like to see Prince Xyzor next.

[@Torcman1988]

How about a poll about weather the inhibitor chips added or took away the tragedy of the clones?

[@5BBassist4Christ]

I would be interesting to have a Jedi who has good regard for his clones and respects their dignity and humanity, but yet also views them as lesser than normal people. Somebody who would go out of his way to take care of his clones, but if he had to make a choice to save some clones or a citizen's/another Jedi's life, he would let the clone/clones die without any thought, and maybe even with little remorse, confident he made the right choice. Maybe he could even put his own life on the line to save his clones, but still not jeopardize other "natural" beings for the well being of a clone.

[@gumballfuego3504]

I guess I never thought much about him, his appearances are limited, and I know there was a game where you could play as him, I’m not sure of the name of that game, but when he died, we all felt his death, but I definitely think we should discuss how the Jedi “ used “ the clones. That discussion will be great

[@joshuamueller3206]

Literally one of my top 5 favorite Jedi.

[@knarkknarkaren]

Time to get the digits on Babu Frik

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

He's legitimately my favorite character in the all the sequels. If they ever remade the sequels, he's the one character I want back.

[@UltimateTobi]

I've binge-watched The Clone Wars last couple of weeks (currently watching Star Wars: Rebels) and with that context, the whole saga (E1-6, not counting E7-9) is all the more tragic IMO. Ahsoka is now definitely one of my fav characters. And I found her annoyingness (is that a word?) in the beginning quite fitting. She was a teenager after all. Annoying, but kind. And she grew from there. I also like Plo Koon and would easily give him an A for the calmness and wisdom he represents and shows. The Jedi Order lost its way to a degree, too caught up in a war they should not fight, which of course aided Darth Sidious in his goals.

[@ggt47]

Also as far as we know other than the malevolence. He had the least loss of soldiers.

[@Rdc_Dom]

Did anyone else think Plo Koon would've survived order 66 if he wasn't stuck in his ship🤔

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

Yeah, I do think he would have lived. He was a great Star Wars character.

[@Rdc_Dom]

@@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs Windu commended him for his dueling abilities, and recognized him as one of the best, I think he defo would've handled those clones

[@GENGHISKHAN-hk3qs]

@@Rdc_Dom me to

[@wannabeslav6914]

Why is he so low, definitely a A+ for me

[@lordkronos5470]

I'm not a fan of Plo Koon but the Wolf Pack is my favorite battalion.

[@miguelpalmaramires370]

everybody just rates him on how much they like him as a person, even tho thats not what a good character is about... a good chraracter is a about his storry and unique characteristics and plo koon is just like clone of yoda and qui gon jinn and he has like almost no background beside the ahsoka stuff so he is overall not more than a c for me, even tho he is cool and cool looking, but thats not enough to make him a or b

[@ledanoir1239]

R2 is fucking 3rd, I wouldnt expect much for anyone here

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Oh the list is High class janked no doubt.

[@David_Alvarez77]

Plo Koon is a great character. He is for Ahsoka what Qui Gon could have been for Anakin if he hadn't been so reckless while chasing after Darth Maul.

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

One thing I don’t get is this idea the Jedi fighting in a war goes against their principles and that they shouldn’t have fight the clone wars but this flys in the face of the Jedi’s past. even though in their hay day when supposedly that incarnation of the order hadn’t lost their way the Jedi led the armies of the republic against the sith bringing 1000 years of galactic peace so when another galactic wide war breaks out (aka the clone wars) the first in centuries with a violent force led by a Sith Lord with the aim of destroying the republic to me it seems like a no brained design that the Jedi should lead the GAR. In the beginning tactically the Jedi leadership had its drawbacks but compared to the moral bankruptcy of some commanders like Tarkin the Jedi with the exception of Pon krell and maybe Kiadi Mindi provided a more compassionate and moral leadership that in the end if order 66 didn’t happen the Jedi would have won the war. The separatists had put all their assists into winning the war with the battle of Corresant and when they lost and Count Douku was killed forced them on to the defensive.

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

By the Wars 3rd year the GAR was properly funded and received fresh batches of clone reinforcements meaning that even though Clones were still outnumbered the odds had evened out allowing the Jedi to launch large scale offensives into the outer rim. If Palpatine couldn’t find the opportunity to launch order 66 the war would be over in at least 1-2 more years the republic would be more militarized than before but not as authoritarian as the empire would be the Jedi would still be in charge to counter such tendencies. The republic would politically and economy have to restructure itself to bring the separatists systems back into the fold eventually the Jedi would have returned to peacekeeping operations and prioritize their search for the sith

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

This comment is 100% correct. Jedi are allowed to go to war, peacekeepers are allowed to to war when it is the only option and the circumstances of the Clone Wars dictated it as the only option. And as leaders the Jedi were not only effective Generals but also stopped the Republic from carrying out atrocities. They made sure the clone never went too far and they were winning the war. The fall of the Jedi was not their political involvement or their involvement in the war, it was the fact that they were betrayed and Sidious had stacked the odds against them since the very beginning.

[@col.hertford9855]

I think the Jedi lost focus due to the absence of the Sith.

[@Bastiondar]

Out of all the comments on the Order's failings, I think yours is on the money. I don't think the Order was a shadow government or flawed, but they did lose their edge without theconstant , overt interactions with the Sith.

[@matthewschwan7127]

Jabba. Do Jabba. I mean he’s top 5 puppets in cinema history.

[@stephenglowacz4981]

Honest question, I hear a lot of people and a lot of different Star Wars stories say that the Jedi shouldn’t have been part of the war but if they didn’t... what would’ve happened? Like I feel the republic wouldn’t have had a chance in hell without the Jedi and Sidious still would’ve won by other means. I feel like when people say and characters say that “The Jedi shouldn’t be involved in this war” it’s like we’ll... then what’s the alternative? Sir back and watch as evil over takes the galaxy? I’d like to know your thoughts about it @ThorSkywalker

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

The Jedi literally had no choice but to enter the war. The Seps had an army and they were being led by *a Sith Lord.* If the Jedi did nothing, the Sith would have concured the galaxy and millions would hav died because the Jedi did nothing. So it was entire justifiable to entire the war to save lives and limit the Sith's control. The fall of the Jedi is not the fault of the Jedi who just fought back, it's the fault of the Sith who created conflict and circumstances the Jedi couldn't win. The Sith were the ones who betrayed the Jedi via Sidious, Anakin, and Order 66. The Jedi did the right by entering the war. The only one who made mistakes were Anakin who stabbed the Jedi in the back and a few, minority Jedi that shook Anakin's faith in the Jedi (like Mace Windu who broke the code by attempting to kill an unarmed Palpatine). Every other Jedi did what was right.

[@stephenglowacz4981]

@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi see I agree I feel they had no other choice even tho a lot of Jedi like to say they shouldn’t have entered the war but I feel like it would’ve been way worse if they didn’t. I’m glad you agree Master Kenobi :)

[@josephpenarrieta9619]

It was justified to rush to the defense of the Republic, but they didn't do more to encourage a peaceful resolution to the conflict. Instead they thought with their lightsabers & played into the Sith's hands

[@stephenglowacz4981]

@@josephpenarrieta9619 see I agree but it’s really hard to argue a peaceful resolution at all when your opposition is run by genocidal leaders and soulless money hungry corporations. A great example of this is the whole premise of The Phantom Menace. Peaceful negotiations were tried but not received at all by what I would later become one of the founding members of the Separatist alliance. So as much I wanna say they could’ve done more to reach a Peaceful resolution, I don’t think that was in the cards at all.

[@markbonington]

Anyone else remember him from Jedi Power Battles?

[@VF19SExcalibur]

Give him back his Electric Judgement.

[@jordanbestwick1986]

Bo-Katan next please!

[@jlassijlali290]

even Depa Billaba Question jedi taking militer rank and fight in the war

[@johnweatherman5685]

On the subject of why the Order fell, the moment they let Yoda become the grand master they were doomed. The reality is the older people become, the more they rely on crystalline memory. Basically they do things they way they always have because that's how they have always been done. They do not handle novel situations at all well. So, you put a 700 year old in charge of an organization, that organization will stop being flexible and approaching new situations as new. This makes them easily anticipated and manipulated. The Sith obviously took advantage of this. This doesn't mean Yoda was a bad Jedi, he was just a bad leader of the Order.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

I disagree. There is no guarantee that older people are inflexible and cannot handle novel situations well. And old people have experience and wisdom that cannot be matched, they are often the best people to lead because they might have deal the similar problematic situations in their past.

[@grayham8478]

imagine being one of the most compassionate skilled jedi (and even a highly skilled pilot) who died being sucker punched by a pair of dipshit clones Edit: credit to sir swag for the end of that joke (go watch his video: 30 star wars characters in one sentence, it's really funny)

[@bengi8907]

Plo like most Jedi valued the Clones. Disregarding the Clones isn’t the issue, it’s Palpatine really. He gave the order and got the Jedi to trust the Clones which was a part of his plot.

[@grayham8478]

@@bengi8907 Totally I agree. But the way palpatine won was by exploiting the jedi's arrogance and pride, and their dependence to the republic. The jedi never suspected palpatine, because they were so proud they believed they were basically invincible they firmly believed that the chancellor of the republic could not possibly be tricking and controlling their every move (even though dooku spelled it out for obi wan), because the republic, and by extension, the jedi were essentially perfect in their eyes.

[@bengi8907]

@@grayham8478 I understand that and it is the Jedi’s hubris and there current standing as they believed the Sith to be gone until Maul showed up. Even then, when they knew that their could be a Master they were still mulling it over. It is a surprise when Obi-Wan is denial of it Episode II as they have been weary for ten years at the time with this mysterious Sith Lord. Also Palpatine uses Force Cloaking which is what Darth Zannah used as well as having the Darkside cloak his Force abilities until he was seventeen years old when Plagueis discovered him. Sith also take more public jobs like Magistrate or Senator instead of just being cloaked beings running about obviously. The Sith changed their tactics while the Jedi became stale.

[@JtotheRod13]

Cade skywalker?

[@MCsCreations]

Plo Koon was one of the best Jedi. He, Kit Fisto and Qui-Gon. Yes, Obi-Wan was pretty good, but not in this level.

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

Excuse me?

[@agentwashington2946]

I appreciate you. You and *star wars theory* seem to be the only true star wars fans that have channels

[@marcosdinizribeiro8928]

Is there a link to all previous characters already polled?

[@josephpenarrieta9619]

Just go on to the KZbin search bar & type "Battle of the Heroes & Villilains"