How Did Twilight Fail? MLP G5 Movie Theory

[@Unreversall]

My theory is that Twilight faced a vilain she couldn't beat on her own, long after her own friends were gone, and decided to freeze all magic in Equestria. The vilain was no longer a threat without magic. Twilight made sure that magic would only come back once a new generation of ponies became the Elements of Harmony. The falling out between Ponies happened because magic was lost without any explanation. Sunny and her Friends brought back magic and have awakened the OG vilain.

[@hannahbernicedytuan1166]

Great Theory! 👼💛 But she could still beat the villain because her subjects are all friendly 👸 As long there are friendship 👱 Sombra even destroyed their elements of harmony but still defeated it without using the elements and ponies and creatures defeated Tirek,Chrysalis,Cozy Glow! 🙇🙇🙇 without using any..🙀

[@danielsurvivor1372]

I swear to God if DISCOOOOOOORD! Becomes a villain again, I'm gonna loose it

[@arlynnbikajle1828]

lovely theory, but it still doesn’t explain why pegasus, earth, and unicorn ponies don’t get along

[@Arkain7]

THE MEMORY STONE PEOPLE! NOONE noticed it in the g5 movie? It appeared in pictures multiple times in the movie. The same stone that Wallflower used to erase everyone's memory of their friendships in the EG Forgotten Friendship movie.

[@joaogregorio6059]

Yeah, that will make very much sense, I wonder if she is still alive, maybe traped somewhere and if she will make a cameo in Next Generation 2 or in the Series they will make about the movie, with Sunny and her friends going in a mission to find her and free her.

[@davidwallgren7575]

Hmm, since the G5 movie has a huge time skip, give or take 1000 or 2000 years, Twilight's time is considered ancient history, and Sunny has Mane 6 figures, ever stop to think Twilight's not the one that failed, but someone after her did? EDIT: Given what we got so far in the G5 series, we don't know all the details and it's possible Twilight did what she had to do as a last resort. I also can't help get the same vibes that happened between Celestia banishing Luna and when the Mane 6 first came together.

[@RavenGaminghaven1]

shut up dude nobody cares

[@El-mv6rv]

@@RavenGaminghaven1 we care, kid. Go play with ur toy or smth

[@RavenGaminghaven1]

@@El-mv6rv k

[@RavenGaminghaven1]

@@El-mv6rv k dude

[@sunflower8227]

true

[@Zunile03scape]

I don't think Twilight failed. I think what happened is Twilight left the crystals to a new set of Friends long after the G4 ones died and set off to spread what she learned to parts unknown. These crystal friends were leaders of the tribes at first but as the generations went on the crystal friends & their successors just fell out of favor by the tribes being replaced by ponies who didn't value the lessens of Friendship. As for why magic disappeared. Twilight engineered magic's disappearance to prevent disasters like the Wendigoes from returning. Twilight is a scholar of magic and history and made the anti-magic safeguard as a precaution. It only takes a couple generations for history to be forgotten or distorted. Twilight didn't fail, her disciples just fell out of favor with time.

[@Rin-w4j]

best theory

[@kokobean5921]

So she would just leave her responsibilities and lest Equestria tear themselves apart? Yeah okay

[@Zunile03scape]

@@kokobean5921 We will see how they handle the history in the new show.

[@82dorrin]

@@Zunile03scape Maybe instead of leaving for parts unknown she was trapped in another dimension, but can be freed by the G5 ponies? That would open the door for her to get a badass hallway scene like Luke did in The Mandalorian. lol

[@swagforthewin]

I think twilight didn’t fail

[@daindreska8206]

This doesn't account for spike, who if he is like other dragons in the show would probably still be alive.

[@westernbody]

Unless some event eliminated them

[@daindreska8206]

@The Robloxian Brony that needs to be accounted for in any complete theory of what happened, especially for near-immortal creatures like dragons that could have lived in both generations.

[@Infinite-sj9mj]

Dragons, Changelings, Hippogriffs, Gryphons, Yaks, are nowhere to be seen in G5. If they are truely extinct (which I doubt) then we're talking about a HUGE genocide

[@daindreska8206]

@@Infinite-sj9mj We might already be dealing with a huge genocide, it's possible Equestria alone had a population of millions (at the very least it was probably over one hundred thousand).

[@Infinite-sj9mj]

@@daindreska8206 There are so many pieces of puzzle missing from the lore that we knew from G4. G5 barely feels like it has any continuity from where G4 left off. I hope we get our answers in the series

[@thechatteringclown]

While the most simple idea properly would be the cozy gang breaking out from their prison and wreaking havoc, something much more major must have happened for the line of harmony to having seemingly vanished, discord to be gone and canterlot to have turned into zephyr hills and the treehouse of harmony (now without the treehouse) just to stand out in the open instead of being inside the everfree. I just can't imagine what would have been big enough to cause all of this.

[@daraghokane4236]

Zipper heights it was Pegasus want to be high in the sky on top of a mountain is as closs as you can get without flying

[@brendanvaughan3272]

New creators

[@brendanvaughan3272]

@Zoe Lee wow

[@keylimetea]

I just thought “her friends died so there were no more guardians of harmony”

[@minnion2871]

@Zoe Lee What if Zepher Hights was named after Fluttershy's Brother?

[@AngelEmfrbl]

I think that everyone is focused on twilight as a failure but... she isn't around. And the failure may simply be that.

[@PeachPinks]

You know that makes sense

[@Tigressa101]

She's a failure figuratively. While she was around, she was successful because she could help ponies from getting into discourse. Once there wasn't a babysitter of peace flying over the citizens' heads, there was no one to stop natural thoughts of greed and dislike over conflicting opinions. Ponies aren't going to always get along and some will go to extremes to take what they want, not unlike humans. If there's no one to stop them, they can and will do whatever they please even if it hurts others. Friendship only works for willing members, not everyone. And even if it does work, there's no guarantee it'll stick if opinions start to conflict. Trying to control that aspect of natural discourse was bound to backfire after a while as it's impossible to control such a mindset.

[@mohdghazali3473]

@MelodicWolf well, in season 9 proved that even when she's still around it's not hard to plant the seed of hatred to the point they all go to three separate settlement.

[@rosethz2474]

@@Tigressa101 So essentially Twilight was just temporarily stopping conflict among her subjects, but it was portrayed as if she was "managing" the magic of friendship. Once Twilight is gone, or the babysitter like you said, Equestria will, soon enough fall back into mayhem. It's Twilight's teachings and the path she follows with her friends that should be remembered by the subjects, not just her. She may be gone, physically, but the memory of her still lives, unfortunately by g5, the mane 6 have seemed to become an ancient tale or legend.

[@MelodySnowflakeVA]

There's only one problem with the theory, the princesses clearly said that they were retiring to Silver shawls

[@Phantasia100]

that isn't the only big red flag, it's been confirmed (?) that the pink tree in the meadow in the movie is the tree of harmony, err...the treehouse thing, which actually points Bridlewood as being in the remnants of the Everfree Forest, also can't rule out the map Sunny uses is a drawing and not actually the south of Equestria

[@Graycata]

I thought I missed something. Did Celestia and Luna actually become the sun and moon?

[@Phantasia100]

@@Graycata I dont actually think so, nor do I ever remember hearing that they weren't ponies themselves

[@Graycata]

@@Phantasia100 okay, because even though that would be Really Cool! and help answer some questions. It would just cause a whole lot of other questions

[@cassandralucia2002]

I think silver shawls is the equivalent of taking your pet to the farm

[@eddog6666]

Unfortunately the writers have confirmed Zephyr Heights is Canterlot which means the coast on sunny map is the East coast

[@MLPFeverYT]

Sunny really needs to learn how to read a map then XD

[@denmitzue1867]

@@MLPFeverYT lol

[@yondaime500]

And yet they put ZH near the coast in the map, whereas Canterlot was near the center previously. Thus implying that at least half of Equestria has been swallowed by the ocean...

[@thechatteringclown]

It was also implied the giant tree they passed was the treehouse of harmony the student six created, so make of that what you will. Though it is noteworthy that the tree used to be within the ruins of the castle of the two sisters, deep within the everfree, so seeing it out in the open surrounded by an empty field is a bit ominous.

[@seka1nix]

Could you give us the source? When and where did the writers confirm that?

[@flygoon420]

"A lot happened in a thousand years" - MLP G5

[@yondaime500]

*Many, many, many moons. Moons being a measure of time with "no human equivalent".

[@Rainbow__cookie]

@@yondaime500 no one said about humans and connection with earth

[@yondaime500]

@@Rainbow__cookie I mean that the showrunners answer that when asked how long is a moon, by fans trying to make sense of the timeline. It's code for "Stop trying to make sense of the timeline".

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@yondaime500 Funny thing you mention Moons as a unit of time. G4 established you cannot have the Day/Night cycle without magic... ...So how the hell does G5 have a Day/Night cycle in a world without magic?

[@Rainbow__cookie]

@@PlanetZoidstar they said Luna and Celestia weren't actually ponies they were the moon and sun i think they were some sort of gods

[@alyarin9000]

Everyone forgets the medallion Celestia gave Twilight. The pegasi could still be using that to control the sun and moon, assuming it is still intact. Another option is that Celestia, Luna & possibly Twilight are trapped somewhere - unable to escape, but able to maintain the rotation of the sun & moon, while holding back whatever threat caused the catastrophe (or imprisoned by whatever caused the catastrophe)

[@Neo-Queenserenityt2l]

That's cool and all but like wouldn't they need magic to use the medallion because in G5 there is no magic and I'm pretty sure they'd need magic to move the sun and moon with the medallion

[@Angie-et3kk]

@@Neo-Queenserenityt2l not if they moved into the everfree forest- they said things do things on their own so maybe..?

[@winstance4493]

@@Angie-et3kk that’s a good point, especially cause the Everfree forest never stopped growing, and since it must not have been contained for so long it’s probably huge at this point

[@taddad2641]

its also possible that the 'everfree' was let loose too and its magic spread across the globe after some incident. the sun and moon were caught by its magic and so everything is... functioning like a normal planet. the magic of the everfree containing all other magics.

[@sagrikabali3193]

Amulet*

[@keylimetea]

That’s my biggest critique of the movie is that twilight and her friends end g5 being the strongest and most powerful forces in equestrian then this Gen starts and it’s like “and you failed”

[@ivanelias3916]

it's not easy to manage a big empire like Equestria. maybe the main six are inmortal but they would have to watch her friends and family die because they are not immortal. so yeah that's a really bad thing if you are like that.😓

[@milchbrotchen2930]

That why G5 is trash and not worth watching

[@Charles-7]

my theory is well global warming, where anything south of meretime bay is now flooded and at the same time each race were forced to separate after blaming one another for the flood, and magic then begin to vanish because of the separation, which is somewhat more pleasable imo.

[@lcreatesart]

That actually makes sense, since zephyr heights is where canterlot used to be, and canterlot was in the cdenter of equestria.

[@ronaldpagar6513]

excuse me, i guess we have to wait for the special to come next year, to get more answer's and question's on what happened to it

[@Charles-7]

@@ronaldpagar6513 yeah i'm aware, i just have so many questions of why, how, and when it all happened.

[@ronaldpagar6513]

@@Charles-7 maybe twilight sparkle have failed and gone evil or luster dawn is

[@xaoz2362]

@@lcreatesart Well, that doesn't make sense considering the nearest Flat ground near the mountain Canterlot lays upon would be on level to Ponyville... And from what we see on the map, Pony vill is on the same level above sea water as the majority of Equestria.

[@cofagrigusfan24]

i have a different theory (it is darker then this though) in my theory, all alicorns are immortal and it starts with Twilight living, but her friends having passed away unable to handle the loss, Twilight called the other Alicorns together, and they sacrificed there forms to give all of Equestria it's magic without the Alicorns control as it took the shape of the 3 crystals, and nature started working the same as in ours and the crystals where given to Twilight's descendants however, over time the crystals where given a bit of a power struggle, and it broke into the 3 parts we know, causing magic to slowly fade away and do to the mis trust between species, each went a different way -Pegasi went to Canterlot, and kept building and moving it higher (this is also where Twilight's descendants stayed, making the royal pegasi of G5 Twilight's biological family) -Unicorns stayed near ponyville, but moved more into Everfree Forest (and the crystals we see are the remains of Twilight's castle & the Student 6 clubhouse) -and the Earth ponies actually moved East towards the coast and when we have the G5 movie, that story become a kids story side note: there is a map of G4 Equestria that shows the south, it came with the G4 movie cause down there is the desert, Hippogryff mountain & the Storm King's kingdom

[@Neo-Queenserenityt2l]

Wasn't it confirmed that Alicorns aren't immortal though? I'm pretty sure the creators confirmed that

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Didn't Lauren say Twilight would not outlive her friends? And what about Twilight's protege Luster Dawn? I imagine she succeeded Twilight as the next Princess.

[@ronaldpagar6513]

excuse me, i guess we have to wait for the special to come next year, to get more answer's and question's on what happened to it .

[@inxinfate]

I like this theory

[@scarletsage6267]

@@PlanetZoidstar as we know alicorns can live for thousands of years and she already found her apprentice and has enough time to make her become head Princess she most likely after that she just went with hers

[@cake4709]

Theory: so in equestria girls, it reveals that there are other universes, what if g5 was actually a different universe. Maybe one person went through the portal but ended up in the wrong universe, in g5, he gets stuck there but does have a child, sunny. He thinks he's in g4 so he tells sunny g4 is the same universe as g5, the one they're in.

[@XGalaxyPlqyZ]

hmm would make sense, the beginning was sunny and her friends playing with dolls.

[@katangel115]

That would make so much more sense, because how could Twilight fail without any major event happening that we would be told?

[@glitchyfox8706]

My theory is that the crystals were draining the races of their natural magic as the crystals now raise the sun and moon due to the alicorns and discord being trapped or occupied. with how we left the show twilight making such an artifact to promote freindship wouldnt be out of the question and with such a important thing as the sun and moon she might have made it so it would take from other sorces if not enough freinship magic was present, or it could have been unintential for the races to loose their magic due to no freindship. my only other guess could be either a diffrent world or one that has been accidently created between the human and pony worlds from the leaked magic and they lost their magic due to the leak being patched that that was their only magic sorce untill sunny iginted the magic of freinship and either made a stable connection or a new sorce. either way i hope to see something of the alicorns or discord in the future. mabey after 2 or so seasons we find out what happend and get celestia reacting to being in a similer situation of what happend with luna in the past

[@MysteriousMagick]

@@katangel115 yes

[@MysteriousMagick]

@@glitchyfox8706 yep

[@booksmartthealicorn3219]

*Maybe Princess Twilight Sparkle, Rainbow Dash, and the rest of their fellow heroic Equestrian equine sisters were battling a villain, possibly the true blue villainous Grogar the dark magic goat, and lost and got sent by said villain into The Limbo Dimension and that's how both the Equestrian magic and the division of Pegasi, unicorns and Earth Ponies started in G5 My Little Pony!*

[@Sassyatta]

Or maybe they went out pillars statue! Found a enemy, trapped them into limbo which caused themselves to be trapped too. Could happen

[@booksmartthealicorn3219]

@@Sassyatta *That's very similar to my theory ,but, yeah, that 's also a possibility Artist Cat!* 😉

[@Sassyatta]

@@booksmartthealicorn3219 I just think that’s probably the best way they would do it. Since the pillars were shrouded with mystery the way the main 6 are now in g5. That could also heighten up for them popping up at some point (maybe as a costume for sunny just like how twi did for starswirl!) and to be constantly hinted at haha

[@booksmartthealicorn3219]

@@Sassyatta *I agree with you 💯% on that!* ;D 😉

[@spideyfan2884]

@@booksmartthealicorn3219 I think since the magic was gone, Twilight died. Because the magic helps the princesses be immortal.

[@MarianneStudios]

Interesting theory, definitely makes a lot of sense! For me, the continuity errors are just too much for me to handle so I only accept g4 as mythology in the realm of g5 😅

[@NerdyNomNom]

The idea that G4 has been retconned into mythology _within_ the G5 universe had crossed my mind (and I think it's what they might lean towards in canon), but I feel like it's way less fun than trying to connect them. XP Nerdy Nom Nom, AWAY!

[@megaford2976]

See there are just too many questions that have been left unanswered, like where did discord go? Why didnt the wendigos take over? And where did all the species go? Ya can just introduce over 7 different species and then just be like ope, they gone.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

G5 not having magic for centuries makes NO sense. G4 shows you need magic to move the Sun and Moon, Day and Night do not alternate on their own in Equestria. Without magic there would be no Day/Night cycle.

[@jantokarski1623]

@@PlanetZoidstar it was explained earlier in the video

[@unripetheberrby6283]

@@megaford2976 Since we saw here the ponies living at the very south of Equestria now, the other creatures(I wondered what you did) could likely be their "North" now

[@rozenaa.]

I'm just so curious about the cutie marks- like what happened? they're only one one side of the ponies now and they never mentioned them. there's no magic so how did they get cutie marks?

[@catalinaburgos6649]

That is exactly what I was thinking, it doesn't make sense.

[@jsdklfjdskdfsdf2891]

Yeah I thought they would lose their cutie marks since magic means no cutie marks

[@daindreska8206]

It could just be very little magic, pony abilities are the first thing to fail when magic is decreased so even if there was very small amount left they still wouldn't be able to use magic or fly.

[@ellienugent2000]

Actually the magic of the hooves never went away and this was the last thing really that would help to summon the crystals.

[@mrrpsie]

this is such a late reply but as for why they're only on one side, the crew simply said they were orginally meant to be on one side in the show but it was easier to animate if they were on both sides

[@adri_purple]

Its an okay theory but I don’t think celestia and luna are the actual sun and moon. Luna was trapped on the moon as Nightmare moon it makes no sense she would be trapped in herself.

[@jules2446]

i guess you have never been isolated/had severe intrusive thoughts

[@jules2446]

it’s actually really easy to get trapped inside your own consciousness

[@adri_purple]

@@jules2446 I have but she was banished with magic to the moon.

[@kylancrawford9574]

my friend's (joke) theory: Pinkie Pie was made immortal/uses her pinkie sense to live forever. Her and Discord were told by Twilight to let the friendship fall apart due to the friendships being stronger afterwards. She was the balloon pony from the canterlogic fashion show. She was the reason the entire movie happened.

[@liliax9147]

The balloon pony is a guy tho

[@kylancrawford9574]

@@liliax9147 a simple disguise OR pinkie is trans

[@ryansarabia514]

@Dhruvi Gudhaka ride

[@ryansarabia514]

@Dhruvi Gudhaka rude**

[@fireruby1882]

@@ryansarabia514 they weren’t rude they just disagreed smh learn to respect other opinions

[@pinkbunnygirl43]

Great theory!

[@kesttler_]

Oh hi! I love ur videos!

[@Sammmmm_S]

BRO, You know why I’m here I swear this was just in my recommended

[@NerdyNomNom]

Thank you! Nerdy Nom Nom, AWAY!

[@cheese7148]

Hi. I love ur videos ^^

[@Netroico]

I like ur vids!

[@ekatepac8910]

I think cozyglow trek and crysalis escaped whilst crystals made everypony paranoid of the different races. Trek, cozyglow stole everyone's magic and took over the North forcing the ponies South who still believed the others betrayed them.

[@unripetheberrby6283]

So accomplishing what they tried to do before?

[@ekatepac8910]

Who knows second times the charm. But if that happened the ponies would have found out as the code South so I doubt it happened. But they were the only thing I could think of.

[@sagrikabali3193]

Tirek*

[@RoseyCakess]

@@sagrikabali3193 no it's trek

[@xaoz2362]

That wouldn't work considereing they all got their magic back at the end of the movie

[@RoseCadenza]

There are one or two things that debunks the whole thing about the earth ponies, unicorns, and pegasi moving south. Yes, the map does look different. But it was confirmed that the tree that they saw on their way to Izzy's place was in fact the treehouse of harmony. Meaning that this was still around Ponyville and Canterlot (even though they're gone). I don't know what could have possibly made the directors change up the map like that, but whatever.

[@fakeemail6815]

it's been a long time since g4, I think geological changes are entirely possible (especially when magic is involved). it raises some interesting questions about what happened to the rest of Equestria though

[@RoseCadenza]

@@fakeemail6815 I had never thought about that! I keep forgetting that G4 is basically 'ancient times' to G5. So, it's definitely possible. There was also a map of Equestria with Ponyville, Canterlot, Cloudsdale, and the Everfree Forest in the beginning of the movie. Of course, we're familiar with other parts of Equestria like Manehatten and Las Pegasus, but they don't seem to be included on the map in the background there. It's probably because everybody knows that Ponyville, Cloudsdale, and Canterlot are the major places that the show takes place. It would be interesting for these topics to be explored in the series a little bit.

[@tuztuz3984]

I would love to see some Equestria ruins, like those Roman ruins paintings

[@kingtrophyguide4362]

Impressive theory! Sunny Starscout became an Alicorn just like Twilight Sparkle in the third season of My Little Pony Friendship is Magic! 😁😁😁😊

[@NerdyNomNom]

Thank you! Nerdy Nom Nom, AWAY!

[@bethanymiddleton5758]

Who?

[@bethanymiddleton5758]

I just watched the movie, you don't have to reply

[@Wubzod]

That isn't a theory, it's fanfiction. A theory needs circumstantial evidence. This is just one possibility of many how it could've happened. But still a pretty nice narrative. :)

[@audrey-ex2yu]

Let's start. Twillight and her friends continue to rein Equestria with peace, and harmony. When her friends got older, they started to think they would outlive Twillight, and leave her to lead Equestria alone. Without the power of friendship, Twilight wouldn't have the strength and happiness within her. Her friends later have a confrontation with her about it, Twilight starts to think about it as well. Twillight suggests that, if she and her friends were to create "crystals" that contained the everlasting friendship and magic, burning inside for thousands of moons to come, they'd still make Equestria remember harmony, despite them passing. Her friends doubt that it would work, Spike comes in, and gives some insite. "If you think about it, the crystals can give memorial about what we all sacrificed for! The love, thoughtfulness, friendship and more for just them to remind themselves that, "Friendship, is magic. They can even help when danger arise. We may disappear, but the friendship that the crystals reminded them will be more than magic!" With that, Twillight and her friends had more courage to sacrifice themselves, even at the cost of their lives. Together, they hugged as Twillight casted the spell to create the crystals, and to transfer the love, friendship and magic within them. With some sort of the blast, they're magic was no more. Twillight later announced of what had happened, and set 3 new leaders for each and every tribe. She and her friends mentioned the crystals, explaining Twillight said, "My friends and I, created these 3 crystals, representing each and every tribe. Even every creature here! When together, all will be full of magic, never imagined. Just like every one of you. It represents the sacrifice we gave for all of you, just for all of the creatures and ponies to remember, that FRIENDSHIP, is MAGIC! I hope that each one of you protect crystals, and not to use for unnecessary things. I hope that is understood!" However, after that, everything.. wasn't planned. All the creatures, fought whom would settle the crystals, they fought over it all. They would somewhat, spread fake myths about it, so "Twillight would pick them as settler", or "Creatures wouldn't pick the others as settler" and ETC. They fought, argued, and then and there, The windigoes, arised. Even, some villians came across too, and made alliances. Each and every creature argued, and fought. The young six tried to make them remember friendship, however, they failed as creatures brought up about the crystals. Princess Flurry Heart, and Princess Cadence tried to calm down their empire, as their ponies were panicking about the windigoes. They used the crystals, but failed as everyone had a bitter soul, and had hatred for one another. It was useless, so the mane six called upon the pillars of Equestria, Princess Flurry Heart, Princess Cadence, the old princesses, and other unicorns that were friends with Twillight. (Sunburst, and Starlight. Possibly Luster Dawn) Before their making of a plan, Twillight asked if Luster Dawn would replace she and her friends. "I can't your majesty.. I may be the best student of yours, but it doesn't mean I'm ready yet. I mean, you already arranged leaders! Right? Anyways, I'm sorry!" Luster Dawn said "There's no time to waste Twillight." Starswirl said They made a plan to vanish magic so the windigoes would vanish, and the villians would die out. Princess Cadence and Flurry Heart worried about the crystal heart, brings this up before the vanishing of magic. The old princesses reminds them that magic within an artifact, can last longer than creature magic, and etc. A bit of talking, and there, they were ready. They did it, like magic was nothing, Everyone, had no happiness, they were dull. Despite that, they fought again. The new "leaders of the tribes", were also a part of the arguing. Twillight and her friends passed away, before alerting the creatures about what happened. (without alicorn magic, Twillight couldn't live any longer) Every creature that was apart of the "vanishing of magic" thought it would be best if they wouldn't say anything, and they would wait for hope to come. The creatures tried to make theories, some were accepted, so the story was twisted. It later became a little filly's story. The tribes moved away to different places, the creatures did the same too, as they didn't want to live next to all of the creatures. Some went to other places, some went to places wherein tribes were located back then. They argued about where they should move to, until they finally settled. Crystals were forgotten, friendship too. Some ponies carried the friendship, most did not. The young six tried to bring back peace again, but it seemed to fail because all the ponies depended on "magic". The ponies thought that, "if magic vanished.. friendship too!" Not even noticing they got the true meaning turned 360 around! At last, the young six stopped trying their hardest, and went with Twillight's last message to them. "Equestria is not at it's end, we have hope coming, even without me and my friends. Be patient, we've done what we were supposed to achieve. Time will tell." Twillight failed, for the best. The End ? Hope this theory is decent, tell me suggestions. me a year later: OKAY GUYS... this theory is terrible. majory of us bronies don't know what the actual cheese happened, and I made this dumb theory to make up for it. this does NOT make any sense, and the creatures fighting over the crystals theory is pretty stupid. since the new shows of MLP are coming very soon, we might just have an explanation. so, don't believe in any of this nonsense hahaha

[@XGalaxyPlqyZ]

this theory sounds good ngl

[@Coyelev]

I love how this is so detailed and might be the closest to what might've happened to the mane 6 and Luster, well done!

[@aihoshinoirl]

Okie dokie

[@mintymimics213]

Here’s my theory as to what happened.; Back when Twilight Sparkle and the rest of the citizens of Equestria defeated Chrysalis, Tyrek, and Cozy Glow there’s something worth mentioning. When the rainbow went into the sky the stormy grey clouds were dispersed. So I’m thinking that the wendigos where completely destroyed by the magic of friendship, especially since the camera did stay focused on the rainbow going into the sky plus the magic of friendship was most definitely stronger due to the fact that friendship extended far past just ponies. (This explains the lack of wendigos.) Now, Twilight and her friends rule over Equestria after Celestia and Luna leave. One by one the main six start to die off. Twilight realizing that she and her friends can’t live forever decides to gather up as many of her subjects as possible. Using a spell, she transferred their magic into the respective crystals and locked away said magic with friendship to make sure that no body can abuse the crystals for their power. Shortly after Twilight dies, there is a brief period of peace left over from her reign. But sooner rather than later, ponies start worrying. What will they do without rulers like Princess Twilight and her friends? Sure there’s Spike but one day he’ll die too. Out of this worry and desperation, each of the three pony tribes chose the most level headed pony from their race that they could find and sent them to Zephyr Heights (what was possibly previously known as Canterlot). However without a proper ambassador to talk to the other creatures the peace as well as the three tribes magic begins to waver. Pegasi, Unicorns, and Earth ponies slowly start to make small disagreements. These arguments start off from as small as who should run the school of friendship to who should take care of most if not all meetings or visits from the other non-pony races. The leader of the earth ponies tried to stay more grounded on fixing the quarrels between the leaders of the Unicorns and Pegasi. The two leaders cared not for fixing broken bonds and labeled the earth ponies as lazy since they didn’t care about “the important stuff,” like which one of the three should be the ruler of Equestria. The earth pony ambassador being called lazy was all that was needed to cause all hell to break loose. The earth pony’s voice was raised, the unicorn fired magic lasers, and the Pegasus picked up the others and threw them out of Zephyr Heights. The leaders furious and terrified, retreated back to their homes and complained about what had happened. Pegasi were labeled as dangerous ponies who had wings that they’d use to swoop down and snatch innocent ponies, unicorns were feared magic wielders, and earth were seen as uncouth and lazy. And now with no friendship no pony can fly, use magic, or possibly even grow plants like they used to. (It’s not the best but idk.)

[@gabbyhall3799]

i like the theory but what about flurry heart she would probably be old enough to rule or if she isn't then atlest be apart of the meetings to try and help the leaders compromise on issues but i 100% would think flurry would be old enough to rule

[@luminaessence3077]

I might have a theory on why the night and day cycle still exists even without Celestia and Luna. During and after the Wendigos, ponies wanted more control on every aspect of weather, including the amount of sun. Celestia discovered how to move the Celestial bodies. This is how Celestia became the first alicorn. Celestia taught Luna the magic to move the sun and moon, and had her take care of the night shift, to make sure the timing is perfect. Luna became lonely and felt like only doing a small part. She learned to go into dreams and helped ponies with their nightmares. This is how Luna became an alicorn. I'm basing this idea off the fact that the ponies do things like Winter Wrap-Up, something that occurs naturally with the movement of the sun. This makes me believe the ponies want calculated control of the weather and seasons. If the sun and moon moved naturally in the first place, it would do so again once the sisters are gone.

[@CrazyGreenFluff]

i think twilight wasn't prepared at all for the death of her mortal friends and after a century or two she just couldn't handle being ruler. i think celestia and luna still raise the sun and the moon from wherever they're retired to, as for the three stones i think they're tied to the elements of harmony. like how the elements were a random occurrence of the tree of harmony :3

[@ellaharrelson]

For some reason the first thing that came to my mind wasn't that Twilight failed... why ruin her legacy like that? I imagined there might have been a greater force or villain that threaten the pony species and Twilight sacrificed magic and herself to save their kind... that wouldn't be failure. Maybe she knew that even without her and magic they'd find a way to friendship again to restore Equestria.

[@minsqi]

i really hope that the story will be revealed in the episodes! the story has potential

[@winterthompson4768]

Is there a new mlp series?

[@minsqi]

@@winterthompson4768 i don’t think it’s out yet, but there will be one 100%! the movie is an introduction

[@ElementofKindness]

Imagine being dead for hundreds of years, and you're still getting blamed for present society's failures . . . . .

[@OkamiGirl64]

Wow okay that is an amazing theory! 😱 I love it so much great job Nerdy Nom!

[@MLPFeverYT]

Glad you liked it!!

[@NerdyNomNom]

Thank you, thank you! I'm here all week. Lol Nerdy Nom Nom, AWAY!

[@jameskeogh6031]

Interesting theory, but i have questions. If G5 is set 500 - 1000 years after Twilight why would the glass mural have an imagine for Canterlot with Twilight's mark and not Dawns one? Plus the Mural would suggest that Twilight had something to do with the creation of the three stones. Maybe she seen that one pony to rule them all wasn't the best way forward for Equestria so she passed her powers into the stones and gave them to the ponies to rule with friendship. one last thing. At 8.51 anyone else see the Orion star constellation?? Its reversed. wold this mean Equetria is on the other side of the Orion star system? Also i know this is going outside the pony side of thing but there are 7 star constellations on that page. Anyone else see a Star gate address here??

[@Tigressa101]

Dawn seemed kind of forced to find friends and wasn't open to joining the group she found at the end of the series. It appeared she joining willingly but it was more like she did it because Twilight was watching. There's nothing that states she kept them as friends or even followed completely into Twilight's footsteps. She could have rebounded like Sunset Shimmer did before the latter saw the error of her ways.

[@GameLog0]

This is a really cool theory! I love the idea of Equestria having an ice age cause yet another change in ponykind's homeland! (If i recall correctly, freezing weather is what led ponies to discovering Equestria in the first place, so it would be a nice callback). Personally, I liked to imagine that Grogar, the real one, managed to return sometime after G4. Grogar managed to successfully cripple Equestria; using a plan to separate the three races by planting seeds of fear and mistrust, and to drain the land's magic into his Bell. In the process various magic-dependant creatures perished, such as the Windigoes. Despite his victory, Grogar would soon fall, presumably fighting somepony who found out about Grogar's plan. Perhaps he fought Discord, as he seems to be most likely given his immense magical ability (that was not connected to Equestrian Magic and thus unaffected by Grogar's Spell) and the fact that Discord may not attempt to alert ponykind about Grogar's return due to his own hubris. As a result of this battle, Discord and Grogar are both taken out of Equestria; perhaps banished to Limbo, akin to the Pillars and the Pony of Shadows. While the Bell remained in Equestria (and was even recovered by Argyle sometime before the Film), ponykind had become too divided at that point to allow for any of their magic to return. Thus, the Bell lay as a relic of the ancient times; unable to be activated by a magicless ponykind. However, magic had not entirely left Equestria. I imagine that once magic started to vanish, a group of ponies managed to create the Three Gemstones in an attempt to store magic in case things went horribly wrong; carving the gems from the remnants of the Tree of Harmony itself. Unfortunantly while the magic within was protected from Grogar's Bell, because it had been made from the Tree of Harmony, the ponies were unable to use said magic as there was no harmony at the time. Thus, Equestria was magicless until G5's film.

[@D33IsHere]

Well heres the thing, in the second mlp, there was a video thing where twilight is little like a normal pony, and she said that SHE was the one that put the powers in the crystals and that she knew about that alicorn that wanted to take over all alicorn magic and took in one of the ponies

[@TotallyNotAFox]

Making the show with a post-apocalypse story in the backround would be awesome - they could travel around finding relics, leftovers from the former kingdoms and maybe even the other races that used to live on the continent. (Imagine them finding the ruins of Ponyville and Canterlot)

[@darkyboode3239]

The idea of ice caps expanding south is an interesting mcguffin for G5.

[@warrmalaski8570]

As Clousdale is a moving city I doubt it would be abandoned due to weather concerns. As it would just move farther south. It's more likely to have fallen into disrepair as magic failed.

[@chastox]

My theory: The deaths of so many important ponies (Shining Armor, the main 6, the pillars, the young 6 minus Smolder) most likely caused a depression in the world, which would cause love and friendship to fade. Candance and Flurry Heart would be very devasted as they both lost Shining Armor. This would make the Crystal Ponies lose hope causing the crystal heart to shatter. In a effort to save it Candance and Flurry Heart called the other alicorns to help them try to repair it like they did during the crystaling. But they wouldn't have somepony to give the Ponies hope, so instead they tried to save it with a different spell. Though this would save the Heart it would destroy them, this spell transformed the heart into the magical gems that soon became the only source of magic as FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC. This would make Spike really angry as he lost the only thing he had left of his family, Twilight. He would run away to the other dragons where he would ease into life. He would start to think like they did and eventually hate ponies when the dragons new emporer started a war against them. The dragons would destroy the ponies homes and once their world was destroyed start moving in. They would be destroyed by the rulers of the new 3 tribes with the Magical Stones each taking one of them as a token of peace. But soon enough the ponies would just spilt apart and without direct contact they would start to hate eachother. The Ponies would create their communities with the mindsets of the 3 saviors of the world. This would create the cites of ponies we know today. A couple years after that Sunny and Friends were born and the story of the movie would start.

[@MrWhatdafuBOOM]

Tbh, this seems less like a theory and more like a fanfic.

[@Retro.Cat.]

I feel like the passage of time was so great that regardless of what Twilight did, there would be a day conflicts would arise in the far future. So Twilight decided to either find or create a new source of power once she and the rest of the elements of harmony passed. The three crystals are now the new elements of harmony and will be used by the new g4 in order to replace and become the new guardians of Equestria.

[@MegaLpso]

I think that the princesses were the only ones that were keeping ponys in harmony and not causing a big racism thing too start. Once they died, it was chaos. There leaders were dead and they were stuck wondering what to do without them, so they continued their normal lives but things only got worse from there on.

[@thethreemusketeers5521]

Maybe the 5 friends died leaving twilight alone, so since twilight is alone she grew into a depression and got angry/sad. Her magic got out of control and maybe something happened like the 3 beings being separated. When that happened twilight went into hiding or whatever, died, and her successors where never able to reverse her spell. So every pony just started hating on each other (species) without friendship, then sunny came along. Iunno this just came from the top of my head

[@ronaldpagar6513]

excuse me, i guess we have to wait for the special to come next year, to get more answer's and question's on what happened to it

[@queenarialya]

Jim Miller confirm Twilight won't outlive her friends

[@ronaldpagar6513]

@@queenarialya REALLY!? tell that to the ending of season 9 it seems like that she doesn't aging like her friends

[@queenarialya]

@@ronaldpagar6513 longer lifespan

[@queenarialya]

@@ronaldpagar6513 or maybe she died of sickness

[@milchbrotchen2930]

The Truth is: Twilight dident fail anything G5 is just Trash without any Story so they needed to bring G4 back into it to make it at least a little bit interesting and f*ck this storyline up as well. Like Boruto everyone hate for reasons😂

[@former_discrepancies9398]

twilight didnt fail. Time just passed, and history is doomed to repeat itself

[@Za11oy]

Sooooo, the movie kept things incredibly vague, and perhaps in time if there are more G5 shows, we'll actually get into what happened in the first place, sort of how in time we learned more about the time before Luna was trapped, about discord and the other more primeval times of Equestria and the pillars for example. My own theory for the incredible schism between all tribes and the slow decline of their world goes through some relatively tragic events. From Twilight as an Alicorn actually outliving all of her best friends and the loss being too overwhelming in time. I think the Unicorns at her orders might have eventually given in to her wanting to forget everything so to speak and might have done something like sealing her off in stone, in G4 we only see that spell done by the two sisters and Discord, so being something requiring a pretty big amount of powers, it might explain also what happened to magic itself. Twilight being the princess of friendship, whose cutie mark symbolize magic itself. Trapping her in stone could have been the very source, the very beginning of the nature of magic changing and vanishing. From that point on, you can establish all three tribes starting to move apart too. The sealing of their princess even as an act of mercy, is not unlikely to be seen as the ultimate betrayal by the other two tribes. Between them starting to distrust the Unicorns and their guilt of actually going through with it, we could have the horned fellow retracting themselves deeper and deeper into the forests, away from everything. Leaving the Earth Ponies and Pegasi alone with one another, without the Unicorns acting as a bit of a bridge between the two species, while they might not have as much distrust for one another as they had for the Unicorns at that point, they still might have been driving each other slowly away. The Pegasi wanting to establish themselves further and further away into the mountains and over the clouds, while the Earth Ponies slowly migrated toward the coast, in search of more fertile lands. Leading to a point, where slowly but surely they ended up so far from one another that travel ceased, isolation settled in and eventually the distrust there was only for the Unicorn, became a distrust of all and every one that was the other. Twilight gone, magic broken and friendship frayed between each of them, distrust rising, only causing magic to grow ever weaker without friendship to empower it, we slowly get to a point toward the movie. Depending on how long it took before Twilight's lost broke her, the two sister could either be long gone from the world, they were retiring when she became ruler after all. Or too sad about everything that happened and being unable to mend the tribes again. They might have become hermit, living somewhere far away from everything, still rising the sun and moon like their burden since Twilight has been sealed, that is. If the magic medallion they've given her to control both celestial bodies hasn't been made some kind of permanent automatic contraption between Twilight sealed stone hooves. As for Discord, he could very well be in his own dimension, mourning Fluttershy to this day. Well, that's just all theory of course. While I could still enjoy the movie for what it was, they really didn't give much clue at all.

[@CHASEMARC]

wrote this BEFORE seeing the video: I look at it like the Egyptian Dynasties (basically fell apart from the inside)- Starswirl is the 1st Dynasty (Pre Equestria), Luna (Pre-Nightmare Moon)/Celestia are the 2nd Dynasty, Celestia by herself is the 3rd Dynasty (an Age that for the most part stayed the same, no major changes), Luna (Post-Nightmare Moon)/Celestia are the 4th Dynasty (the Golden age starts), Princess Twilight Sparkle is the 5th Dynasty (and a Golden Age) 6th - 10th Dynasties (golden age starts to tarnish) around the 20th Dynasty (non-pony races leave, magic is weaker) around the 25th Dynasty (Friendship is gone, as is magic, pony races fight in a civil War, Equestria is no longer a Kingdom) what would be around the 30th Dynasty (the 3 pony races are split) around this time Canterlot is renamed Zypher Hights, (as seen in the movie, witht he stainglass window) what would be around the 40th Dynasty (Generation 5, present day) the reason i'm saying that Gen 5 is like 40th is because so much time has past that Princess Twilight Sparkle lived in ANCIENT times so long ago that they are mythical beings in Generation 5, under my line of thought they did NOT FAIL and under Princess Twilight Sparkle's rule ALL RACES lived in friendship (so it does not diminish the end of G4)

[@christiangarza8747]

I think it's a good theory except for one detail. The southern half of the continent Equestria is on has actually been shown on a map. Specifically the mobile mlp game map from Gameloft. The south is mostly desert with a bit of green on the southern coast. It actually kinda looks like Sunny's map in the g5 movie though, so this theory could still be right.

[@actuallysine1723]

What if Twilight's still alive and she's out there somewhere? I mean, Even if 1 thousand years have passed, Celestia trapped Luna in the moon for a thousand years, And was already grown up to Twilight's size in The Last Problem by the time she did and continued looking the same for the rest of Friendship is Magic, So it's safe to assume Twilight and Luster might still be around. I saw another theory here but i don't remember from who, That maybe some threat appeared that Twilight couldn't find a solution for so she sealed herself off with the threat to stop it from hurting everyone else, But had to take all of Equestria's magic with it and made those stones as like a second chance that someone could find a way to deal with it, And now that magic is back, So is Twilight and whoever or whatever that theat is are. If someone finds this theory, Please comment the name of the original poster, I can't remember who commented it

[@vibebear-e2s]

Actually remember when my little pony started remember the shadow bolts? When rainbow dash instead helped her friends with loyalty with the brige? We actually see a picture of the shadow bolts in the new generation

[@NakedWyverns]

This is a great theory although I prefer sawtooth's theory of celestia and luna

[@Heavilune]

I actually love this theory and it encourages me to tell my theory! Thanks nerdy and fever!

[@iscander_s]

There's a huge flaw in your theory, Sunny's map DOESN'T HAVE NORTH ON THE TOP! In the right lower corner of the map there is picture of a compass (which is cut in you video), that shows that North is actually in top right corner of the map, which means we don't see South of the Equrstria on that map, it is Eastern costline.

[@CuteNekoHibiki]

My theory is that Sunny Starscout's world is a colony planet. One that has lost touch with the original homeworld. Equis, where Equestria is located. Over time, the colony forgot it's true origins. And the three tribes just drifted apart.

[@ReesesBees]

It's not. It's still set in the same Equestria as G4.

[@CuteNekoHibiki]

@@ReesesBees You don't know that for sure though. You believe what you want to believe. I'll believe what I want to believe. There is just no way Twilight's Equestria could have ever fallen like that. It's just too SOD breaking to believe it could have fallen like that.

[@krazykatkaylee]

Maybe, since there are stories about the Princesses as kids, the unicorns had to move the sun before the Princesses we're old enough to use that power

[@dargondarkfire]

Interesting theories. One thing on the location of the 3 cities is that the official maretime bay map in the sheriff office appears to be a south/southeast coast. And the concept for that map which is largely unchanged has a compass that verifies east/south/southeast.

[@Google_Censored_Commenter]

To answer the title: Hasbro being greedy, and lazy writers. That's how.

[@UnthinkableSiam]

A theory that actually made a lot better with the geological study & world leading to the G5 movie. Nice job!! 👏💜

[@emanuelbaigorria3932]

in reality, the cities seen in the film are in familiar places. maretine bay is connected with horseshoe bay and baltimera, bridlewood forest, it is in tall tale and the unknown west, zephyr heights are on the same mountain where canterlot was.

[@Invalid8_8name]

It's a good theory, it answers almost everything, but there is still something missing: How sunny's father knew that G4 existed and almost knew about everything (I mean, besides the research, cuz he was so sure of it and knew about the crystal and the special light house, maybe sunny's mother was a princess, the one that u talked about)?

[@Star_Strike]

Here to present to you: A bunch of stuff I made up! lol, I love it!

[@clonemaster22]

My guess i think sunny’s dad went planning on finding twilight and bring her back safe you can tell her dad got clue from twilight’s feather and the whole map of equestria but he couldn’t go find twilight and bring her back because he had a little filly to take care of knowing its his duty to watch over her at all time

[@nattixthebaddix]

This theory makes me more and more excited for G5! I’m excited to see where this series goes! 😀

[@neey3832]

actually You can watch the g5 movie in the netflix

[@nattixthebaddix]

@@neey3832 I know! It was incredible! I meant that I’m excited for the new episodes! Sorry if there was a misunderstanding! 😊

[@neey3832]

​@@nattixthebaddix Ooh, I understand, I'm excited for new episodes too! But I'm not sure if they will create more movies or series about my little pony :(

[@nattixthebaddix]

@@neey3832 I’d be disappointed if that were the case. My Little Pony rocks!

[@CorvisVulpix]

I feel like the only problem here is that the tree they pass in the movie is the tree of harmony/treehouse.

[@82dorrin]

Just how badly did Twilight f^*k things up?? Damn...

[@777Rowen]

I honestly feel like it’s just a reset from previous plots cause they couldn’t think of anything else. Good discussion.

[@wolfpony8293]

Well I feel like my theory is just blown up to pieces the more I think about it. The theory that this is equastia just another part off the world that Equestria is part off

[@thinkwithvideos3310]

Finally! Someone is actually asking the important questions!

[@kodywoofz]

I know this is off topic, but.. Nerdy Nom Nom plays Fireheart in the Warrior Cats series-

[@RoseyCakess]

Did you draw your pfp?

[@kodywoofz]

@@RoseyCakess No, it’s from an app called Avatar Maker: Cats 2. I did not draw this.

[@RoseyCakess]

@@kodywoofz I love it, it's cute!

[@twist58]

Hi. I’d just like to say that in theory, Canterlot is gone in G5, so I can therefore assume there could be a place known as “Neo Canterlot.” While many ponies and non-ponies have moved on to other lands in Equestria, I’ll bet Zephyr Heights in G5 is considered “New Canterlot.”

[@catxborsuq1]

Hm, one more thing, if this is truly the south side of the continent... what is the Treehouse of Harmony doing over there? It was apparently confirmed that it is indeed that treehouse from season 9. The way I see it, there are 3 possible explanations for it: 1. The Treehouse was moved or somehow moved on its own, it's magical so it could happen. 2. The map is hung left/right side up for some reason and it's the either west or east coast we see, not southern. East coast seems like a better match, with few changes here and there, but if it was west coast then Zephyr Heights could have been build on the ruins of Las Pegasus... unless the original coastline had sunk, then it's a whole different thing.... 3. ... the planet was knocked over!? Or just the continent... Actually the simplest explanation would be that a giant cataclysm happened and most of the continent we know was sunk, the mountain on which Zephyr Heights is looks kinda like Canterlot's mountain, at least as far as the drawing on the map goes.

[@marzettik]

Okay, so this is super cool theory but it got me to start asking questions. Like Twilight might have been the chosen Alicorn princess but she only got her powers through friendship and that’s why she has that round table in her castle. So I was thinking about the main six and how they could impact things…then I remembered Discord. I feel like maybe after the generations and Fluttershy eventually passing, could that have broke him? I mean we know the kind of power’s he has but we don’t know what he might do with them if he’s dealing with the loss of a loved one. I mean chaos is his thing.

[@roseanimations531]

I’m just wondering about the non ponies like where did the dragons , yaks, dogs, griffins etc what happened to them?

[@SamRabbitx]

I just sort of assumed that G5 takes place, like, 1500 years after g4 or something like that and somewhere along the way, the Alicorn Monarchy system is deemed outdated and the last of the Alicorns uses their magic to create a system (crystal or whatever) that keeps the sun and moon rotating. And as the years pass, the tale of Twilight Sparkle and the heroes of friendship becomes more of a legend and the pony tribes sort of drift apart or are wedged apart by fighting over who should rule and how. And that this new series will be about Sunny and her friends hunting down Twilight's legacy and teachings to reunite the pony tribes and bring back the magic of friendship. That sort of thing.

[@Nezbellx]

Instead of twilight failing maybe luster failed So that’s how equestria kept apart

[@yeowuu]

About the theory that Princess Celestia and Princess Luna are the actual reincarntions (or whatever) of the Sun and the Moon, in canon, they said that they were retiring to Silver Shoals. But I'm curious as to how and why there is still day and night. While yes, Princess Celestia and Princess Luna have the power to raise and lower the Sun and the Moon. In the Hearts Warming Hooves episode, there was a play on ancient Equestria. It was explained that unicorns used their magic collectively to do it. But if magic disappeared, then how?

[@hopingstare8980]

i cant look at g4 the same way again after watching the movie

[@willbrack7069]

the new map can easily be explained as cartography issues. They could’ve accidentally put the map on its side, which would put Maretime bay in Horseshoe Bay, and close to Baltimare

[@nuotatorre8741]

9:33 To be honest I wouldn't be Suprise if Twilight created and a Forever working Machine to move the sun and Moon.

[@seahorsecorral]

Or she simply discovered how to put the sun and moon back to their proper place that Celestia changed. She discovered orbital mechanics and gravity, and made things right with the universe once again.

[@agnesleuenberger3713]

Cool theory! It explains many things! The cold separating, chasing or even killing the other species while ponies got isolated in the South, the disappearance of the Alicorn rulers... Even if it's not the official explaination, at least it is a satisfying one (maybe there are flaws here and there but to me it sounds fine so far). Also it echoes some real life events (climate change and refugees), which makes it quite relatable and plausible. Who knows? Maybe in the future we'll see what happened to the other species. They might still be there somewhere!

[@beckydez1]

I think princess Don actually why Sonny’s mother so that’s why Sonny’s dad HeadCrystal🐎👸🏻

[@atomicglitter]

I want this to be canon now cause it honestly makes so much sense!!! Love it! Awesome theory!👍

[@LUNA_076]

11th anniversary of friendship

[@dreamguardian8320]

Maybe we'll find out what happened to Twilight, once the first season of the MLP: ANG series comes out.

[@medixstar9184]

Its a great theoru but still I dont agree with the theory of Princess Celestia snd Princess Luna not being ponies. I think that the failure might have been Luster Dawn since she was very open mindet and not very into ftirndship but no one knows for sure. Besides when Sunny's dad was telling Sunny the story of Twilight he said: "The Princess called the young unicorn to go make some friends." But I hope we get answers if series or another movie is coming.

[@jonastrindade7294]

This is the best theory that i heard so far! (But it's still missing something.....i don't know why) Good job

[@Pommy6]

She's turned into sawtooth.

[@ToeGripper9988]

I see so many ideas of how they could have gone! Here's a crazy out of the box one! : *maybe they died of old age* Aftr the princess of *friendship* died no pony learned how to make friends with eachother so they split

[@mebratghirmay4996]

What if twilight sucsesser is opeline 5:16

[@Aelvir114]

I don't really think Celestia and Luna are being of magic seeing as if they were, they wouldn't necessarily need the help of Twilight's friends in most of the mid to later seasons. Celestia herself was easily subdued by Chrysalis in her debut episode. I also don't agree with the idea that "Celestia and Luna depart, being a part of the sun and moon again". Celestia and Luna stated at the end of the show that they'll stay and always be around to help her if she needs it. From watching the entire series, I think it's pretty clear that Celestia and Luna are normal Alicorns. But we do know they were most likely born as Unicorns because of their surprise about Flurry Heart being born as an Alicorn. I also don't believe that either of them are immortal, though. It's more likely that once they reach adult age they start to age (physically at least) extremely slowly. Though, the idea of who ruled before Celestia and Luna and if they had to raise the sun and moon is a good question, but it might be likely that they were either the first and only rulers of Equestria or that they have a lineage tied to having an affinity towards the sun and moon. Twilight passing the torch to Luster after only 100 years does seem far-fetched as Celestia is shown to have been around for well over 1,000 years and Twilight was clearly destined to become an Alicorn like many others due to her sheer raw magic abilities and that if she did pass it to Luster, this wouldn't exactly make sense when we know that Twilight sealed away all magic in the Unity crystals. Not to mention Twilight being a focal point in Gen 5, whereas Luster's existence itself isn't even remotely acknowledged. Dawn sealing the magic between the three crystals is close but sadly has been explained in the Netflix series as Twilight sealing all magic into three crystals (which is wildly out of character for her but it's G5, so what can you do?). The stewards falling out would actually cause the Windigos to show up. Also, the theory doesn't account for the AWOL other races, Hippogriffs, Griffins, Changelings, Kirins, etc. Also, logically, since Flurry Heart was born as an Alicorn, we can obviously expect her to still be alive, same with Spike and DIscord for their own reasons.

[@bengilhooly3616]

What if Equestria became obsessed with magic and twilight realized there would always be ponies wanting to use magic for evil so she sealed it away forever

[@denmitzue1867]

Ooooh... Thats not bad of a theory

[@bengilhooly3616]

@@denmitzue1867 and what if she also sealed away herself with it like starswirl the bearded did

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Twilight is not Star Butterfly. Sealing away magic would doom Equestria since it basically needs magic to survive. Nevermind what it'd do to all the inherently magical species like the Breezies.

[@bengilhooly3616]

@@PlanetZoidstar well given how the g5 ponies lived without it for so long, I doubt Equestria wouldn't survive without it

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@bengilhooly3616 I don't think the writers of G5 thought that deeply about the established lore of G4. Keep in mind in G4 it is shown the Sun and Moon are magically pulled across the sky, implying that without magic they would not move. If they could move without magic that would make the Unicorns, then later Celestia and Luna's job of balancing Day and Night obsolete.

[@aliciabruder1106]

This was kind a what I originally thought the way things go for Gen 5 to happen. With how advanced everything suddenly seemed compared to gens 4 & 5 it made more sense that all this happens centuries after Twilight and the mane 6 and all those events. It also lead me to be that the events of gens 1,2, & 3 all actually happened in between gens 4 & 5. But now with the way things are going, they decided to take the high note that gen 4 ended on a ruin it by having twilight fail (her biggest fear during the last season) and her doing something stupid that could end up separating the ponies instead of uniting them (like we had a whole bunch about the founding of equestria and how there was division amongst each race and why it was important for them to be United but that seems to not matter now also where are the windigos?)

[@eeveeloveme164]

Yes, but the last threat to Equestria were turned into stone and at the end of the episode, they aren’t stone any more you left that out of your theory mate. Very good theory, but the there!?

[@eeveeloveme164]

Maybe Because of the three threats are connected, maybe the three separated the three main type of magic through argument and Because of that the Princess or the land maybe both, get very unwell so she had to change the last bit of magic in those three stones, I don’t know? Into the intoxicating all poisonous problem to magic was solved?

[@eeveeloveme164]

And also the dark king he was banners and we never found out what happened to him.

[@cupcakzbacpud9502]

So according to this theory we’re talking about a 1000 - 1400 year time skip between the very end of g4 and beginning of g5. That’s wild to think about.

[@billlupin8345]

I don’t think twilight so much failed as simply was lost to time. The Stainglass window shows the crystals coming from her. I think what happened is close to the end of her friends lives, she encapsulated the power of an alicorn into a set of three crystals that would draw power from the love of her society which would then protect them, much like the crystal heart. Now a unicorn again, twilight lived out the last of her days with her friends. Over time, Twilight and her teachings faded, and the traditional class divides reinstated themselves. The crystals continued to protect them from the Windigos, but without the power of love and friendship to draw upon, it began drawing from their inherent magic. Unicorns, Pegasi, and earth ponies all lost their magic to feed the crystals. Then we had the movie. The ponies were under the impression that all they had to do was bring the crystals together, but of course that didn’t work. By bringing their people together, the crystals were once more able to draw from their love and friendship, and were able to return their magic. It seems twilight for saw this possibility, because the Crystal also granted her power to the one to reunite the people that power it.

[@mrbust999]

Nah, she failed, they remember her enough to even make figures of her in the show

[@Rover-jo4oc]

I like how the way he explained to me he's got the idea as well now we are understanding G4 versus G5

[@pipperz2444]

There actually has been an updated map of Equestria for the 2017 movie, which shows the bottom half of the continent

[@niebieska_rjs]

Yeaaa u have a point

[@NerdyNomNom]

Sssshhhhhh, let's just pretend you didn't know that just like I didn't. Nerdy Nom Nom, AWAY!

[@Zen17h]

Actually I don't think Sunny's map has the North on top at all. Another map shown in the movie (the one in the background of the sherrif's office of Maretime Bay) lines the coast up pretty perfectly with an old G4 map's area around Fillydelphia - if you take that into account (it still matches the coastline perfectly) then Bridlewood ends up being around where Hollow Shades was and Zephyr Heights is either around the caves where Starlight ran off to in her debut, or Rainbow Falls

[@wumbobongo6847]

i don´t think luna and celestia are the moon and sun

[@dollylollyplaytime8552]

What a cool (albeit tragic but what’re ya gonna do) theory! Love how it breached the gap between generational lore 😊