How did we let Johnny Depp get away with this?

[@annathefern9866]

munecat's "debunking body language experts" video is such an iconic piece, highly recommend to anyone who hasn't seen it yet

[@LittleMissLounge]

I appreciated that video so much. Especially as an autistic person. It was awful seeing so many people who should've known better embracing that horseshit.

[@witherschat]

I'm gonna rewatch it tonight while going to sleep.

[@KathrynElizabeth-j7y]

💯 body language doesn't definitively mean ANYTHING

[@GiggaGMikeE]

Her sovereign cirizen video is great too

[@JaneFleesTexas]

I’ve really loved some of her videos but always thought ‘body language experts’ were BS. But I should know she’s going to do a very deep dive about it, so will now watch! ❤

[@ewno1566]

The day my Hatred for " body language experts" started.

[@Bipolar.Baddie]

Agreed. Anyone who actuals studies or practices psychology, including communication reseaechers, knows that it's pseudoscience. It's almost as bad as clinical words like gaslighting, narcissism, and boundaries entering everyday vocabulary.

[@Melissa-tw2gp]

God yes. It’s everywhere in the true crime media machine too. Priming people would could be on juries to use bunk science to determine guilt. Drives me nuts!

[@thuctram7209]

as an autistic person, I like to play body language game with them "normal people" I hate so they get really confused

[@billbill6094]

Complete pseudoscience. People are obsessed with the idea of being able to read someone's mind through physical cues and it just doesn't work like that. Same for the polygraph test, the idea that every thought has a biometric response which can be accurately guaged by some finger straps that is consistent among all humans that enables you to put something as complex as _thought_ on a binary true or false scale is utter nonsense. But it's advertised so well in movies that people to this day defend it. (In fact a lot of criminal investigation involves pseudoscience like a lot of forensics is, see the meaningless phrase "reasonable degree of scientific certainty", but people aren't ready for that conversation.)

[@omgmo1962]

I used to watch Observe on KZbin just kinda for fun, I didn't really believe in what he did, but the day the first Depp v Heard video dropped and I saw the comment section was the day I stopped watching him

[@w4439]

"If I hate you 10 times and you hit me back once that's not mutual abuse, that's an action and a reaction." That's a bar right there

[@jaccl4539]

we can't just follow a narrative simply because its fits our narrative it is indeed mutual abuse - stop demanding mutual to be equal

[@jammerkraken]

@@jaccl4539 the National Domestic Violence Hotline has an amazing article titled "Mutual Abuse: It’s Not Real"

[@Undercovershrinkhere]

@@jaccl4539they cant be held mutually responsible if he is more physically strong and well connected

[@LumpyBrain]

Umm…do you mean “If I HIT you ten times” not “hate”?

[@jaekae13]

Yes! Not every single person reacts to abuse in the exact same way. I've heard people dismiss my sister's relationship with her husband as ""mutually abusive"", even though she NEVER physically fought back when he hit her, shoved her, or kicked her. But when he would come home drunk and start pushing her around, she would yell at him to get his hands off her and threaten to call the cops. It is honestly baffling to me even now, but people who were IN THE SAME ROOM when he suddenly shoved her against the wall, she tried to pull away, he violently yanked on her hair to prevent her from moving, and she reacted by yelling in pain, swearing, and telling him he better let go of her right now... Those people would say that his action, and her REaction to it, were both equally bad. I was just a kid, but when I demanded to know why no one ever intervened or did anything, they would kind of shrug and say something like, "yeah, he shouldn't do that to her, it's wrong... But I've heard the way she talks to him, and it's clear they don't respect each other. If she doesn't want to leave him, that's her choice." (I suppose they were right about one thing, which is that no one could make her leave him until she was ready... But she did eventually call the cops, and kept calling them, when the abuse got particularly bad. And they never did anything. He never got so much as a stern talking-to, much less handcuffed or arrested. Everyone seemed to think that her "talking back to him" made it a situation of "mutual abuse".)

[@elizabeth3566d]

gabby petito was nearly arrested for hitting her abuser while he was driving (brian laundrie). turns out that would have saved her life considering he killed her a couple days/weeks later. amber was at her wits end and then deemed crazy when edited audios of her at the end of their relationship were leaked. she was tortured emotionally and physically by johnny. he controlled every aspect of her life: cars, doctors, medicine, jobs, etc. she is lucky to be alive.

[@seank7413]

She went missing in Wyoming where thousands of native women and girls are missing

[@nootnewt9323]

@@seank7413 no one is saying otherwise, but that doesn’t have much to do with this comment. MWWS is something that has been talked about a lot in relation to her.

[@Alex-mc5yn]

@@seank7413 so, would these native women have fared any better if the authorities and the public were to ignore Gabby? Same vibe as "children in Africa could have eaten this food". Two wrongs don't make a right, and I don't think that ignoring white women's problems would in some way compensate and retaliate for the native ones.

[@AdzaanMaiiTso]

​@@Alex-mc5ynah, you're one of those people. 🙄

[@Alex-mc5yn]

@@AdzaanMaiiTso do answer.

[@constancep7632]

Most people don't understand what "reactive abuse" is. For some reason, people seem to have forgotten the "fight" part in "fight, flight or freeze" as reactions to abuse.

[@8WessCoast24]

What do u think about this video called "Heated Arguments Between Johnny Depp & Amber Heard (Audio Recordings)" on the Law&Crime Network.

[@cinemachronic]

​@@8WessCoast24 that amber heard was reacting to Johnny's abuse

[@aeolianthecomposer]

She shitted in his bed and laughed about it when it got brought up in the court. In what way is it "reactive abuse"?

[@Bessmarv]

@@aeolianthecomposer…no she didn’t.

[@mich_elle_x]

In most households the domestic abuse is mutual rather than one-sided.

[@astroxdez]

society's mentality of having a "perfect victim" definitely plays a part in this

[@JOIEGREY]

that part 👌🏾

[@nuxxy_]

nah they all just thought the trial was entertaining thats all

[@MegaeffinGarchomp17]

100%. No one is perfect. Someone can be trash and still be a victim who deserves sympathy for whatever abuse they went through

[@markstriker925]

Wouldn't the same be said about Johnny too. Since people mentioned him being an alcoholic to show that he was a bad guy. Wouldn't that fit the "not a perfect victim".

[@JulianSteve]

When this trail was going on. I was being nuanced while other creators weren’t fair. Hopefully, these creators changed their viewpoints🤔💯

[@VanAlexi]

Bringing up Anita Hill is a deep cut but much needed. During the court case against Clarence Thomas it became a joke about the porn he showed her and pubic hair on a pop can. Nobody talked about the fact that a man soon to become one of the most powerful people in the country sexual harassed a colleague, it became a joke. We seen this with Johnny Depp and the crap in the bed, Diddy and the baby oil, R. Kelly and the peeing video, Elon Musk offering a flight attendant a horse for sex, and Don’t take a drink from Bill Cosby jokes. People care more about how many times they can make joke about something more than the catalyst of said “jokes”

[@bece00]

This is why I think part of Americans biggest issue is the inability to take anything seriously. Everything is a joke all the time.

[@juratory8876]

It reminds me so much of Sally McNeil and her trial. She shot and killed her husband Ray McNeil after he attacked her and attempted to kill her. She has suffered years of abuse at his hands, and the media treated her terribly, too. They tried to use her background as a Marine and bodybuilder to paint her as this sort of "monster" who killed her husband in a fit of roid rage one day. She served 25 years behind bars and was released just 4 years ago.

[@thefoxoflaurels3437]

America has an obsession with humbling people that make them uncomfortable. Sometimes even if it's a discomfort society needs.

[@queenwednesdayart]

People replacing "no homo" with "no Diddy" makes my skin crawl.

[@salyx]

There was a whole stupid song about Lorena Bobbitt that my insensitive 14-year-old self thought was hilarious. Now at 44 I’m disgusted by it.

[@brunobeeftip]

Extra important bonus point: the trial was not about abuse. Depp was suing for libel based on the deliberately vague line in an article she wrote where she said, "Two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture's wrath for women who speak out." That's it. That's what he was suing over -- that this single line destroyed his reputation to the point where he lost roles and destroyed his reputation. You would think that "accidentally" starting an internet-wide hate campaign against her for vaguely alluding to having something to do with domestic abuse would've caused people to realize how stupid his suit was.

[@marleycote9277]

You would think the "free speech absolutists" would have been her LOUDEST supporters. Everyone got exposed during this trial and I hope people are taking a serious look at themselves when they realize it.

[@tonyagibbs1963]

And let's not forget he was already found to be an abuser in court in UK. That whole US trial was a farce.

[@brmbkl]

@@marleycote9277 " the deliberately vague line in an article she wrote " i have a feeling you are not on the same side

[@ThymeofGhost]

I agree with what you said but I always don’t completely agree when this comes up because I remember very clearly when it began at the first accusation. Just because he sued for defamation doesn’t mean it didn’t pertain about her accusations of abuse and the, more minor because the internet was less TikTok hell, hate campaign he got at the time. The case was about what she said in that line yes but the trail involved proving why it was a lie. Just because it wasn’t made official in court doesn’t mean people don’t have enough information to come to a conclusion.

[@brunobeeftip]

​@@ThymeofGhost To prove that the statement is a lie, the statement must first be undeniably about him, and secondly, that she never suffered any harassment as a result of their messy divorce. If Heard had, at any point, been harassed for alleging that Depp had abused her, then her statement is automatically true -- it's not "he hurt me", it's "I was harassed for saying I was abused". The trial itself was undeniable proof that she was, in fact, harassed for speaking about abuse. Please refer to documentation regarding the suit filed by Depp's legal team to understand how unbelievably stupid it is that people like you still think the initial basis of the trial was whether or not the abuse was real.

[@Princess_Weekes]

[@manderly33]

Once you know Depp’s team (and other parties) were PAYING to spread misinformation, it makes a lot of sense how people ended up thinking the way they did. That and most people have no idea what trials are. A lot of folks think they are fact finding missions. They are not.

[@Ruledbyafurryoverlord]

Thank you so much for your video. You said all that I was feeling! I tell people often to watch you and Medusone, as well as Hiden True crimes.. And #whotrolledamber from @tortoise. You are my weapons of truth. Thank you. X

[@cla2599]

We were gaslighted to support Depp. They said if we dont support him thats mean we dont believe men can be victims but at the end he got more support than any woman victim of DV ever received

[@makslargu5799]

Your video was the first I saw that didn’t contradict what I was sure I was seeing with my own eyes. It was a really brave thing to do as the discourse was so nasty

[@thingscarlaloves]

Your video was incredible and it was such a light in the darkness. It was difficult feeling like you were one of the only sane people, and your video kept me going amongst the insanity.

[@johnplayer420]

"They don't believe in the misinformation because they think it's true, they believe in it because it's THEIR truth." Fire take 10/10

[@besacciaesteban]

That's relogious thinking 101.

[@ryanisverycool]

honestly that line was what made the prevalence of misinformation make sense to me. i never understood it before but now i get it.

[@cla2599]

They just wanted to believe the lied about her. Like there is 0 proof she shat on a bed yet everyone spread that lies cause they wanted to believe it

[@hhhy9160]

It's weird to see that so many people chose to watch other KZbin creators and SM accounts instead of just watching the trail itself. I don't think anyone wants truth, they want to be validated/entertained and get a W.

[@dopey473]

I mean it's not really an original take. The belief of "truth vs fact" existed for a long time in postmodernist works. Even something like a game, Metal Gear Solid 2, used the idea as it's plot point but it's way more relevant now. I sound like a pretentious right wing chud (which I'm not) so I hope someone more educated on this can help me out and correct me.

[@marymonthei250]

I appreciate that you are basically saying “I changed my opinion, get over it.” And I love that because we need more content creators who are not afraid to outright admit this.

[@dudettevlogs4257]

He’s clout chasing..

[@brennam954]

@@dudettevlogs4257 What he's doing is the complete opposite of clout chasing.

[@EarthLordCJ]

@@dudettevlogs4257 Unless there’s been some recent, widely-held discourse on Depp/Heard very recently…I don’t know what clout he would be trying to chase. Think you may be barking up the wrong tree.

[@lauxantilles]

@@dudettevlogs4257 There's absolutely no clout to be had in defending Amber Heard.

[@Blazecap]

@@brennam954 I can't really say "pro amber" content at this stage gets as many views as being "pro deep" during the height of the frenzy would count as clout chasing. Honestly, I imagine most folks who are even online don't care about either one after it ended.

[@samuelfoster8615]

"many are inclined to want to find blame in women wherever they can" Well said. This trial was an opportunity for men to be openly sexist.

[@alexrobin3902]

Keep in mind that this entire trial was viewed as entertainment. A lot of mainstream sources didn’t take it very seriously due to the obscurity of certain details. So a lot people viewed it like a show. With charismatic protagonist Johnny Depp and uncharismatic villain Amber Heard.

[@filmsgilmore]

this. it was never about vindicating a man they wrongfully thought was a victim. it was about being cruel to a woman.

[@alexrobin3902]

I’ve personally grown up in a household where there was abuse. And it’s never so black and white. But I genuinely don’t think that’s what people really cared about here. I think most people did what looked right and not what was right.

[@angellover02171]

It was also a great way to make money. There were tons of lawyers and therapist with their own hot takes.

[@masihkhosravi9875]

EXACTLY!

[@masihkhosravi9875]

@@filmsgilmore Nah it wasn't just about being cruel to a woman, it was more self-righteous. It was about two things mainly, giving the crown back to their favorite pirate movie character, and also taking care of a charismatic and handsome dude who LOOKED LIKE he could be the bullied underdog that became a symbol of male abuse victim.

[@ladyaz2086]

I was in the reddit group where you acknowledged the harm using Amber Heard for that joke could cause, apologised, then mentioned you'd be making a video on the topic in the future. Thank you for following through. It's an admirable thing to do. My own abuser accused me of being the instigator, spreading stories to our social circles that I was trying to ruin his life. As such, I was ostracised and unable to receive help as I tried to heal. Depp publicising the trial was an abuser punishing their victim for daring to speak out. Watching Amber Heard go through the same thing I and so many other abuse victims did ×1,000 was excruciating. I wish more people - and men, especially - spoke out about this form of abuse, especially now that the Internet can be weaponised into complicity.

[@sarahmcdonald6980]

@@ladyaz2086 ♥️♥️♥️ I’m so sorry you went through that. My abuser said I was the instigator too. as he was kicking me out of our home at 3am he was screaming at me “you’re an abuser” so all our neighbors would think it was me

[@warnaoh]

You liars realize we have watched the trial right ? Amber Heard is anything but a victim. And the fact you relate to her is enough for me.

[@sarahmcdonald6980]

@@warnaoh cool go cry to the literal rest of the world who’s on your side like ..

[@lindseystein9676]

DARVO is a common and effective tactic for abusers to use. I’m sorry you were made to deal with that.

[@NoxAeterna-wf4iv]

​@@warnaoh "amber heard is anything but a victim" says the victim blamer. Go and watch anime or something. Lmao

[@stridertakahashi4120]

Looking back it is so unsettling how quick people were to point out Heard's distant demeanor and inability to express emotions appropriately as her being some sort of sociopathic platinum rank manipulator. There are a lot of people with thousand yard stares and troubles regulating emotion. We typically call that PTSD. As someone who lived through abuse its even worse how the media painted her actions and emotions like abusers too. You cant be angry or indignant or you're my aggressor. You cant be sad because you brought this on yourself. Why are you happy? It must be at my expense. We absolutely got played by textbook manipulation on Johnny's part

[@Bessmarv]

She also literally cried on the stand and it wasn't enough -- people watched low quality, pixelated videos on their phones and couldn't see the tears, and then when high quality HD photos showed the tears streaming down her face on Getty Images, those same people accused Getty Images of photoshopping the tears in. It was absolute witch burning hysteria. I still see it in some of these comments.

[@rubbish_kat]

If you cry and act emotional people will call you either crazy or a manipulator. If you stay calm and collected your a psychopath who obviously can't be a victum of anything. You can't win.

[@Chill-mm4pn]

To be fair both of them are actors. People were saying that Johnny was triggered by her and they were breaking down her body language and his which I didn't really care for. Emotions can be genuine but it is easy for us to be persuaded by either.

[@munchiekins]

​@Bessmarv Hi, if you can show me the video of her crying I would appreciate it. I only ever saw her making a crying face while clearly angry... did not see a single tear the whole time and the trial is not in low resolution.

[@GodheadNee]

what was insane to me is that she acted the way humans act when they're going through those hard emotions. She was incredibly genuine. The fact that people called her fake and a bad actress read to me as them being incapable of understanding human expressions. Johnny Depp gave mediocre monologues full of childish lies and people believed him because they like his movies. The fact that the court was stacked in his favor and the judge let him behave like a clown just added to the circus.

[@GuardaGuada]

I was alive in the 90s and JD had a reputation around violence and drugs, he famously owned a club where several stars overdosed. When his stans and social media treated him as your wholesome neighbourhood pirate I really really felt old. The guy was in the news because a person who was suing him disappeared. Seriously. You had to be the sort of young that was raised with pirates of the Caribbean to not know this shit. Its been out for decades

[@CB-oq4nz]

Johnny Depp's Viper Room business partner took him to court over money laundering, and he mysteriously disappeared days before the trial. Rumour is, he's buried in the basement of the Viper Room.

[@theresahonsinger5853]

I see a lot of disinformation in your post.

[@romasimpson3064]

There was only one actor of outside his club and yes he was like a lot of actors and people in the music business into drugs and alcohol but he was not into violence And in the nineties he was dating a couple of women one was a actress and one a model And in the late nineties he met and settled down for fourteen years and help raise his two children And it was only when he hooked up with AH that he started to use again and drink more But since the trial finished he has been leading a very private life and working on different projects Also he has been off most of the drugs from 2018 and from he separated from AH in 2017 he has been drinking very little From the trial ended he has been off the drugs except cigarette and drinks very little alcohol now And yes he is no angel and had admit to his faults unlike heard Who abused anyone who got involved with her it was not only Depp but her first husband and then Elon musk and her girlfriend Eva Barlow and god knows how many She uses her young daughter for attention and gets the paparazzi to do photo shoots with her and then complain that no one will leave her alone after she has drawings the attention to herself He proved before a judge and jury and he let the cameras into the court room and everyone heard and seen what went on When he sued the newspaper in Britain AH and the owner of the newspaper set it up and no one believes that it was a fair trial and they believe that the judge was bought She was her usual self when she appeared in the British court she was rude and lied and pretended not to understand the question or would not answer them and the judge let her off as she told them she had donated the seven million to charities and until today she has not donated a dollar to them it was JD and EM who give them the money

[@theresahonsinger5853]

@@romasimpson3064 thank you! Johnny did not kill River Phoenix. He is still very close with the Phoenix family. He was heartbroken and sold it at some point. People try to piece together things without doing their research. Just like they watched bits and pieces of the trial or bits and pieces of audios. The full audios tell the story. But some can’t handle the truth. The UK trial is a moot point because the lies she told in the UK were debunked in the VA trial plus the fact that Johnny was suing The Sun and the judge had close ties to The Sun. It took a great deal of courage for Johnny to bring the case in VA. She has a history of abuse and he does not. I agree that he was not violent but people would like to believe that a person getting angry=abuse. It doesn’t. Drugs? I bet most people in these comments have used drugs in their lifetime. It was clear she played that part of things up because that’s all she had. It was clear she was the one with the bigger problem. He has never denied drinking or using drugs. But yet she never submitted any pictures of him doing drugs? Why not? 😂 He has moved forward and has said this part of his life with her and after taught him so much more about himself. Which is what more people should do. Reflect about what was learned and grow from it. The fact is people will always use Johnny’s name for clicks just like this video did. Thanks for telling the truth!

[@peppermintgal4302]

@@romasimpson3064 "There was only one actor of outside his club and yes he was like a lot of actors and people in the music business into drugs and alcohol but he was not into violence" I'm not sure how you can know if he was or was not violent at that time. ""And in the nineties he was dating a couple of women one was a actress and one a model" I'm not sure how this is meant to dispute anything OP said. "And in the late nineties he met and settled down for fourteen years and help raise his two children" Plenty of abusers have families. "And it was only when he hooked up with AH that he started to use again and drink more" This does not really say anything about who abused whom. It suggests Amber Heard was "a bad influence," perhaps, but for all you know, she was self medicating for some mental issue that made her an easy target for abuse. That is, of course, speculation on my part, I suggest you learn the skill of acknowledging what is speculation on yours. "But since the trial finished he has been leading a very private life and working on different projects" Many abusers try to keep their lives private, this is not unique to non abusers. "Also he has been off most of the drugs from 2018 and from he separated from AH in 2017 he has been drinking very little" This also does not tell us who was or was not the abuser. "And yes he is no angel and had admit to his faults unlike heard" Many abusers use profuse apologies as a means to reverse things on their victim if their victim manages to out them as an abuser. Many abuse victims will refuse to apologize for anything they've done in reaction to an abuser. This says nothing either way. "Who abused anyone who got involved with her it was not only Depp but her first husband and then Elon musk and her girlfriend Eva Barlow and god knows how many " Oh please, Elon Musk? She abused Elon Musk? Elon Musk is a prolific abuser who is also possibly a closet pdfile. "She uses her young daughter for attention and gets the paparazzi to do photo shoots with her and then complain that no one will leave her alone after she has drawings the attention to herself" This doesn't sound like she was doing all that for attention, more probably, she was doing it as a job. People who try to bring attention to themselves don't complain when they get attention. "He proved before a judge and jury and he let the cameras into the court room and everyone heard and seen what went on" Proved what? Be specific. Also, publicizing the court case is not a sign of "authenticity," it can often be a control tactic, its a form of "getting in front of the story." Most actual abuse victims actually shun publicity, unless they make a very conscious effort to pursue justice, which is unfortunately rare. "When he sued the newspaper in Britain AH and the owner of the newspaper set it up and no one believes that it was a fair trial and they believe that the judge was bought" I am unfamiliar with this, but I'm not a fan of the Ad Populum fallacy. "he was her usual self when she appeared in the British court she was rude and lied and pretended not to understand the question or would not answer them and the judge let her off as she told them she had donated the seven million to charities and until today she has not donated a dollar to them it was JD and EM who give them the money" Some people are rude, and abuse victims can lie, too. This doesn't tell us who was the abuser. Abusers are defined by their _controlling nature_ and _pursuit of conflict._ Depp controlled numerous aspects of Heard's life when they were together. He put painstaking effort into controlling the media narrative. Heard fled his presence, and he pursued her through legal action. Who was dictating when the other could visit a doctor?

[@itsmarthai]

That "brother eughhh" was pitch perfect and now I need to know if you can do impressions and if you can sing

[@winterzealot]

YES! It sounded identical to the original clip lmao

[@margicates553]

I’m almost positive he can sing. His cadence and tone is so nice to listen to. He definitely can sing, maybe he doesn’t like high notes, but I bet he’s pretty good.

[@itsmarthai]

@@winterzealot and he did it off the cuff, like, he hasn't been practicing this to get the right pitch, it just came out like that - I am in awe lol

[@itsmarthai]

@@margicates553 he's been holding out! (btw I checked out YOUR singing, gorgeous!)

[@margicates553]

@@itsmarthai aw 🥹🫶🏻 Thank you!

[@elizabeth3566d]

winona dated johnny when she 17 and he was 26. she stated “johnny was my first everything” in an interview and “my first boyfriend smashed everything. at 18 everything is dramatic.” in another.

[@basquat76]

He was arrested once back in the 90's for smashing up a hotel room like the rockstar he is. The dude does have anger issues.

[@Sam-wd9ly]

@@basquat76 Duh...and all these women still dated. Victim shaming is necessary to prevent future young women to not make the same duhm mistakes.

[@prettyroach]

@@Sam-wd9ly re-framing victim blaming as some type holier-than-thou necessity is the funniest garbage I've read all day. I wonder why a woman, along with millions others, might not *know* a man's an abuser before the relationship hmmmm. its almost like the focus should be on raising awareness of abusers and not pretending harassing and dog-piling victims does fucking anything but discourage others from seeking justice

[@Devilsblood]

She doesn't hold any ill-will against him. None of his previous partners have. Believe all women, except the ones with an opposing point of view

[@Sam-wd9ly]

@@prettyroach How can a man like yourself even argue what I'm saying?

[@Deemo202]

That Princess Weekes video was the one that had me like “One a goddamn minute I’m tripping”

[@sarahmcdonald6980]

@@Deemo202 YESS such an important video i watched that daily to stay sane

[@friendly_space_martian]

She made me realise things 😭😭

[@Aldrasio]

Before I watched her video I was trying to just avoid the story, but I'm glad I watched it. It seemed like the only coherent take I could find among all the "Amber Heard sucks" memes that were just so ubiquitous and unavoidable.

[@lukesguywalker]

Something that bothered me the most about the reaction to the trial is the way victims abuse must have felt. People were making skits on TikTok, digging up everything about her past they could, and were implying that her REACTING to abuse was just as bad as the abuse itself. Personally, I hadn’t heard of Amber Heard before this trial. But it was hurtful to me as a survivor to see how people dismissed and mocked her testimony without knowing the full truth of the story. I lost a lot of friends.

[@starstorm1267]

“Innocent until proven guilty” unless the person being accused is a woman. Then all of a sudden, people are willing to throw that completely out the window

[@Daiwie44]

I think victims of abuse took to JD's side. And a "Fuck you" to Heard was like a "Fuck you" to their own abuser.

[@mesCheerios]

@Daiwie44 myself and many other victims of abuse are still very triggered by this case (triggered in the clinical sense). No i didn't "take Depps side", the way he was behaving smugly in the court case looked exactly like my abuser when my mother lost her case against him. I heard the phone call that made Heard sound bad and was so frustrated that people couldn't understand how a dv victim can speak like that or can lash out in anger one time...yea i experienced all of it and i hate depp to the bottom of my soul

[@MaribethStern-r2z]

How do you think? In Green we trust.

[@legendaryfrog4880]

You don't have to like a woman to defend them when they are abused. You aren't insulting men when you acknowledge men can also be abused.

[@Windwalker88]

But she left a trail of abuse, so many old friends spoke up against her. She just came out of that courtroom looking horrendous

[@KaylaMarieQ]

@@legendaryfrog4880 she literally admitted that she abused him and she was upset that he wouldn’t fight back

[@legendaryfrog4880]

@@KaylaMarieQ I'm not speaking specifically about the Heard/Depp situation.

[@legendaryfrog4880]

@@Windwalker88 I'm not referring specifically to Heard.

[@KaylaMarieQ]

@@legendaryfrog4880 the video your commenting on is about that though

[@dominique8655]

Ro Ramdin made a good video when the trial was happening. She put a lot of my discomfort to words. It was so crazy viewing it from a SA survivor’s perspective especially since earlier that year I had finished up my restorative justice process which deeply invalidated my experience. And even more as a black woman seeing the discussion around the trial, I was like if y’all can’t see what i’m seeing and this is a white woman? I soon after got off social media and the hope that i had in people genuinely believing victims was lowkey crushed. Not just the reaction to the fact that Amber experienced abuse but taking up for Johnny just because you find Amber annoying and him endearing and you don’t actually care about male victims? All I can say is thank God for Bell Hooks and the safe spaces I’ve found online and cultivated in my real life

[@sophiethepegasus]

(Im typing this before watching the video btw because I have a lot of thoughts and I have been waiting for this video for a LONG time and I tend to delay gratification lol.) I'm white, but I felt very similarly. I remember that my aunt had a small apartment and she would spend hours watching the trial on her TV in a way I just couldn't escape. Just trials and body language experts tearing this woman appart for not being the perfect victim. And I watched society around me hate this woman, mocking her pain. It tore me up so much, and I do genuinely think it placed a scar on my soul. I could never see those people in my life the same way. Last night I read a book called Consent: a Memoir by Vanessa Springora, and I feel like it brought up similar feelings to this. An all-consumingly sexually abusive society whose retributions come in the form of lip service. In the end, I kind of came to the conclusion that... of course it's like that? Assault is not a defect of patriarchy/hierarchy, but an asset. When your whole world is built on the dehumanisation of others, of COURSE it ends up with abuse and assault, because that is the GOAL of your societal structure. I may very well hear all of this repeated in approximately 28 minutes but I am a blabberer. From one survivor to another, I hear you and I see you.

[@geligniteandlilies]

Love Ro!!

[@TheScarletStar]

That's why I never paid attention to the trial when it was happening. I could tell something wasn't right. Looking back, I totally would've felt like I was yelling into the void

[@RevShifty]

I don't know a damned thing about either one of them. The idea that huge chunks of people are just out here pretending they have a clue about the private behavior of total strangers, and then defending it, is just wild to me. I literally can't even process that. I'm not retconning reality to justify shitty things someone did just because I saw them in a couple movies. What the hell is wrong with these people? And that's not even getting into the caliber of what they're rewriting and ignoring. That's just all sorts of gross.

[@RevShifty]

@@TheScarletStar Same. I don't care about celebrities at all in the first place, and there's no universe where I want to make a total stranger's divorce or abuse my day's entertainment. Just the idea is disgusting to me.

[@VanAlexi]

People maybe too young to remember that Johnny Depp has been the “bad boy” of Hollywood for ages, with pass substance and domestic abuse. Bro come out as Jack Sparrow and it rebranded him. He is like the Bizzaro Keanu Reeves.

[@AngelAPAVLOVSCornDog]

@VanAlexi he also was owner of Viper Room when River died, and hangs with Damien Echols...☕️

[@DigitalRag3X]

Pirates franchise is owned by Disney…

[@JimmyNuisance]

@@DigitalRag3X Is that you, Desantis?

[@DirtSpud]

Like RDJ lmao

[@Takkiebos]

I almost forgot he was a controversial pick for Disney at the time; no wonder all my worst friends that hate Disney still love Depp.

[@lacey892]

as someone who was a victim of DV... this case was really hard for me to see all over the internet. I remember one night w my ex, he had been on one for hours.. ended up locking me in the back bedroom and wouldn't let me out. Once I finally lost it and broke the door down, he was standing there w his phone recording my reaction to make me seem crazy like I was just busting down doors left and right completely unprovoked.

[@notamurderer6226]

That’s not what happened here she was just as abusive if not more abusive than depp

[@frejglass]

​@@notamurderer6226 did you watch the video?

[@SakiBlablabla]

@@frejglassor maybe he watched the days long trail …how about that !? I think they did feed off each other, but proof I have witness does point to Amber being they primary abuser ! It is rare but it does happen for the woman to be the primary abuser ! Is it cause a personality disorder, yes , is it cause two people with two personalities desorders and substance abuse were exacerbating each other toxicity, yes ! Is it awful for her that she lied on stand and lost for it , maybe ! Is Depp 100% innocent, the fuck no , this man is an adult too !

[@thewolf9851]

Sounds like your ex was slightly better than amber

[@celinepope]

Jesus. I'm so disappointed in people's replies to your story. Thanks for sharing this story, I'm sorry that your ex put you through that. I had similar, though less jarring of situations with my ex. Where he would argue so hard to get a reaction out of me, then suddenly go completely calm while I was still upset. Suddenly the doorbell would ring and his friends would be there ready to hang out. He would open the door all happy and say "look how crazy she is! She's having a meltdown"

[@ArielLong-lh8zw]

I will forever be bitter about this. Where were all these thinkpieces and video essays when people were doing TIKTOK DANCES to a R*PE TESTIMONY? And spare me the "i didnt see it." There were hundreds of us calling it out while it was happening but we were either ignored or harassed ourselves.

[@krissuyx]

Yeah... It's because you were *wrong* and still are.

[@Not2IntoYou]

@@krissuyxCope

[@NotDaveGahan]

@@ArielLong-lh8zw You’re not the only one. I will never forget the people I know irl whom I tried to educate on the subject and still chose to bandwagon and be against a survivor.

[@Bessmarv]

Same. I'll never get over it.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

@@krissuyxand you’re sure about that because you know this person, or because refusing to believe abused people is automatic? Abuse is fairly common, sadly. Doesn’t mean the allegations are always true, but dismissing them without knowing the story is absolute 100% endorsing abuse.

[@chrishill317]

As a male survivor of an abusive relationship, I can't tell you how angry it made me when people tried to spin the "Depp v. Heard" trial as a victory for male abuse victims. I kept having to explain to people that I *didn't* look up to Johnny Depp as an inspiration just because I'd been on the receiving end of physical and emotional abuse from a woman before. He and his apologists don't speak for me, and they never will.

[@marleycote9277]

It will never not drive me up a wall how male survivors are always used as a "GOTCHA!" in our society. Your lived experiences fucking matter and should not be exploited to silence other survivors.

[@sarahmcdonald6980]

@@chrishill317 thank you for sharing, it must be really hard to talk about ♥️ I hope you’ve been able to take steps towards healing

[@THEMOSTCANCELLEDMANALIVE]

two of the most famous true male abuse survivors, the menendez brothers, openly supported amber during the trial

[@banethereckoning2638]

Sorry you went through what you went through, but I find it funny you side with amber

[@Windwalker88]

@@chrishill317 amber is not the hill to die on brother, she will make more victims that way

[@deadcard13]

Gonna be honest, i was concerned with the way the Amber Heard discourse turned after the court ruling came down. Something about seeing comments like "The b*tch was lying all along" and "That c*nt's career is over" just doesn't make me think the greatest people had gotten invested in the story.

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Absolutely! It was terrifying. All the misogynists crawled out from the woodwork and started celebrating

[@Bessmarv]

It was gleeful, witch burning hysteria. I’ve never seen anything quite like it. I’ve seen comparisons to gamergate but I was younger when that happened so it didn’t make as much as an impact. This changed the way I see the world and social media in general. The way certain people behaved was unforgivable. It showed me how bad actors can so easily manipulate social media to make people believe the most absurd things.

[@MayorOfEarth79]

It got to the point where The Daily Wire was spending tens of thousands in dollars in ads to promote Depp's victory and Amber Heard's loss over the whole thing. And Reddit was really galvanized against Heard because female-on-male abuse is one of their biggest bugbears. That and the fact Depp fans seem to be obsessed to an outright dangerous degree.

[@CorbiniteVids]

Fr. Even if she really did it, the way people WANTED it to be true and the GLEE they expressed as they finally got to take down a bitch who stepped out of line. So much was illuminated. It'd been a minute since they got to do their last witch hunt since metoo made the hobby fall out of vogue, and she was a symbol was the perfect excuse to do everything they already clearly wanted to do

[@Ksc56]

She was this generation’s Monica Lewinsky.

[@GuardaGuada]

"this was not me being swayed by my love of bell hooks" is a phrase that deserves to be on a plaque somewhere

[@catacombkid1985]

You and D'Angelo definitely shed a light in things that are in my ideological blindspots As a male victim of SA by a gf this case was important to me despite my general lack of care for celebrity's lives It really disappointed me. As a male victim I didn't feel more supported by people believing Johnny's claims and I know other male victims that felt the same (I've spent about 17 or so years working with victims of abuse) It was really disappointing but honestly this video made me feel optimistic if anything and has shown me other KZbinrs that I definitely want to watch. So thank you. Not for me but for all victims of abuse because victimology and abuse isn't always simple and there isn't always a bad guy that's obviously evil and a victim that everyone loves

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Guys usually have the power and are usually the abusers, but it doesn’t always work that way. Manipulation, provocation, and blackmail definitely happen. That said, Depp seemed way more concerned about being called an abuser than he did about being abused and that’s a huge red flag.

[@ea11111]

@@Justanotherconsumer red flag for him or red flag for society? As you said, men are usually the abusers but the tables are turning in the other direction these days and women are becoming more bold in this light.

[@Lora-215]

@@Justanotherconsumer "Depp seemed way more concerned about being called an abuser than he did about being abused and that’s a huge red flag." It's possible that he didn't have PTSD (or that his PTSD didn't show)... but that doesn't mean that he wasn't abused.

[@romasimpson3064]

​ He did not sue her for abusing him it was for her saying she was abused and it was her tapes that was heard in court and when he was asked he said she hit him but he never said he was abused It was the people and the media who were saying it I think like a lot of men he was too embarrassed to admit that she was hitting him and keeping his medication off him It is very now and they have both moved on but a lot of these people who have sites or podcasts or whatever they call them are only looking for people to go on their channel and reply or subscribe There is more interesting new and things going on in the world This guy loves the sound of his own voice and there was a trial and it was there for everyone to see and hear and there were seven people on the jury It has been two and half year and some idiot is still going on about it have they nothing more interesting than Amber heard and Johnny Depp to shout about

[@catacombkid1985]

@@Lora-215 I think that's a good counterpoint

[@medusonegirl]

Omg, thanks for the shoutout! I'm so glad you were willing to make this video and apologize for your (or your editor's) previous joke. In making my videos on DvH, I had to watch clips of a lot of content creators who I otherwise respected making some very shameful commentary on the case. Not to excuse the joke you made, but your name was still toward the bottom of the list of creators that I think actually owe Amber Heard an apology and I hope your willingness to take accountability for a comparatively tiny contribution to the Amber Heard hate-train encourages others to look back at some far more harmful commentary from 2022. I do agree that there was a perception of Amber's plight being an example of "white feminism." I received plenty of comments from Johnny Depp supporters dismissing my commentary as "a white woman coming to the defense of another white woman" (conveniently leaving out the fact that I was defending her against a white man). Despite it being at the core of Amber's counterclaims (and everyone insists they "watched the trial" 🙄), people don't realize the extent to which the online rhetoric surrounding the case was specifically orchestrated by Johnny's team. His lead attorney from the UK case literally admitted to leaking information about Amber to what he called "Internet Journalists" (aka, alt-right KZbinrs and conspiracy theorist bloggers) prior to the trials; and there's been quite a lot uncovered in the last year about bot campaigns Johnny's team very clearly utilized for years leading up to 2022. Who's to say what talking points were organic in all the conversations surrounding the case and what was planted by bad-actors, but certainly Johnny's team benefitted from people wildly overestimating the amount of power and privilege Amber Heard had. Emphasizing Amber's whiteness was a part of that to an extent, but at least for that, Amber Heard is, in fact, white and does therefore benefit from white privilege. What was far more absurd was the idea held by many leftists that this case didn't represent legitimate problems in our society and shouldn't be paid attention to because both people involved in it were just some rich celebrities, despite Amber Heard never being all that rich nor that famous. In the year of their divorce, she had a net income of just over $50,000, while Johnny had made several million dollars that same year; and as you admitted at the beginning of this video, before you started doing more research, you wouldn't have been able to pick Amber out from a line-up of other random blonde actresses. Outside of her relationship with Johnny, she was barely a celebrity (perhaps in part because of her relationship with Johnny as he was incredibly restrictive of what professional opportunities she could even pursue while they were together and the negative attention she received after their divorce has definitely not helped her). But propping Amber up as an ultra-privileged famous rich white woman was a great tool to downplay the severe power imbalance that laid the foundation for the abuse in her marriage, as well as mitigate the amount of empathy certain sections of the Internet would be willing to show her in her legal battles against her far more powerful ex. That being said, on the claim that "there was a genuine lack of black attention paid toward [Amber's] case," I have to say, as someone who's been pretty involved with pro-Amber Heard circles for over a year, I think the statement should maybe be amended to say there was a genuine lack of black *male* attention. Many of the earliest public defenders of Amber Heard have been black women-which makes sense as black women are statistically more likely to be the victims of domestic violence-but not only have many of their contributions been overlooked within the larger discourse because their voices are consistently undervalued outside of this one conversation, many of them have also been far more severely targeted by pro-Johnny Depp harassment campaigns which have unfortunately muffled if not full-out silenced many advocates. (also the channel name is pronounced like med-oos-oh-nee; think Medusa + Persephone)

[@filmsgilmore]

your videos are the best. thank you for everything you’ve done!

[@Stanzci]

Thank you so much for your videos and for writing this all out!!

[@jordanbrown3816]

Your videos on the subject were incredible, thank u 🙏 and ur other stuff I hope ur channel gets more n more recognition!

[@amybutcher6827]

Thank you so much for your videosseries, @medusonegirl! I watched every minute. Really opened my eyes. I went from being very agnostic about the whole thing to understand what it was all about. Your videos are fantastic! Glad to see you cited here.

[@justineetzkorn9594]

Thank you for saying all this. I think Princess Weekes was the first person I saw on left/bread/whatever tube really taking the whole issue on, which was so nice to see because the media surrounding the trial, and the social media dog pile, made me feel like I was losing my mind. To this day I run into people who think Amber was craycray and Johnny was the real victim. I think that's starting to shift a bit thanks to people like you, though. Thank you for your work.

[@jeness]

I hope I never again experience a point in time where I am having dinner with an acquaintance and I have to sit while everyone at that dinner makes fun of a victim like they’re talking about Sunday Night Football. It was so jarring. I saw right through the bs because even if you genuinely believed that man… why would you then make a mockery of the situation. It was never about believing men. It’s always been about shaming women.

[@Nortarachanges]

++++++++++

[@mangogoat4691]

Very simplified way of looking at the world

[@ryss335]

The amount of ppl on twitch, Twitter etc treating this case like its a world cup really tells me that they only care about hating, especially to women and victlms in general

[@gwencere9383]

I remember being invited to lunch with my mom and some of her friends and they all sat around the table discussing the case like it was a new season of Game of Thrones or something, it was so weird.

[@johannac5653]

People need to understand that each case is different. I’ve never fully agreed with the phrase "believe all women." However, if a woman comes forward about experiencing sa/violence, it should absolutely be taken seriously and thoroughly investigated. Unfortunately, there are also instances where some women are not truthful (truly hate that this happens), and when contradictions arise in court and it's proven that their claims have no basis, it harms other women who are genuine victims. It’s like pouring fuel on the fire of misogyny.

[@SamBarge1]

What an incredible nuanced take on this issue. I'm so happy I was directed here. I'm subscribing and starting a deep dive on your work on Nebula.

[@billbill6094]

I think more people need to understand the concept of abusers setting their victims up to retaliate as a way to garner pity and sympathy for themselves. Beat someone regularly, verbally insult them, threaten them financially or socially, it's behind closed doors. They hit back one day, or they go into a manic state, that gets out. And look who's suddenly the unreasonable one. And if both get out at the same time, well then there is no victim, they deserve each other and all that nonsense. People are somewhat wise these days to why the abused often don't or can't leave their abuser, but when they fight back suddenly people forget, act as if "leave or fight" are equal options and they just _chose_ to fight because "they're just as bad."

[@Justanotherconsumer]

“But mommy he started it” - every bully ever after provoking their target.

[@littlefoxglove276]

this should be a pinned comment tbh, this is a well-documented pattern of abuse and so rarely discussed

[@dlr_rosa254]

I remember being too scared to fight back whenever my abusive ex would hurt me. When I had enough and stood up for myself, all of a sudden, it became an "us" problem.

[@Jupa]

@@billbill6094 exactly. I refuse to accept that this W for the welfare of men ought to founded upon a sham trial. It’s disgusting.

[@fierytopaz]

Absolutely. There's a lot of precedent of when authorities are called to a domestic situation, afterward the victim is in hysterics, or angry, or sobbing, and the abuser is calm, regretful it "went so far", wants to appease. The "reasonable one".

[@redringrico999]

Just a quick shoutout to Medusone who has an amazing and detailed coverage of Depp v Heard, even while it was still unpopular to be a Heard supporter.

[@НннНн-о9к]

Yes💯 finally people are noticing her videos

[@ElleDuderino]

When did it become not unpopular to support Heard? Lol

[@angiefowler775]

She did no such thing. She completely ignores what Amber did and gets her info from Twitter. Not a flex

[@dizzylilthing]

​@@ElleDuderinoI got harassed off of an old KZbin account because I said I wanted to hear what Amber had to say in court.

[@mentallyderangeddoggirl]

@@angiefowler775 having watched every second of all of her videos, she repeatedly holds amber accountable and critiques things she's done, as well as citing things that happened in both trials and the evidence brought up there. You are a liar.

[@Tchelo0203]

My take on it, then and now, is that Amber Heard was a woman who everyone felt allowed to hate and dump all the misogyny they had accumulated on her without suffering any consequences, and they were often encouraged to do so. Entirely out of proportions and a terrible and unfair mob effect. Great video, dude!

[@Jojo-tf2zp]

Yes!! It felt like the public had been stockpiling hatred and misogyny until there was an "acceptable" target. If that's our version of progress...

[@onlyonejewelrybyrayeellent9237]

She lied and got caught in her lies during the trial and why he was found not guilty by a jury. Based upon the testimony, she was the abuser.

[@SirLied]

Hating bad women for doing bad things isn't misogyny.

[@beautimous7347]

​@SirLied that isn't what the OP said. They said they felt that the general public found an acceptable target to dump their misogyny on. Which they did. There was TONS of sexist shit put out about Heard during the trial and afterwards. The other part of it, which should be patently obvious, is there wasn't half of the level of vitriol lobbied against other famous people accused of DV. Brad Pitt still has his career and good reputation, even when the only person who could have called authorities onto the plane was the pilot themself.

[@SirLied]

@beautimous7347 People were primarily upset about her lying about her own abuse more so than any abuse she did herself (though that obviously didn't help) I don't know anything about the Brad Pitt accusations but it's a bad comparison for a few reasons, including the one I mentioned above. I disagree that the reaction was necessarily out of proportion. There have been many men who's careers were destroyed (and rightly so in most cases) by these kinds of accusations. Picking one current example as counter isn't exactly compelling.

[@dudu-dudu2438]

Y’all don’t understand what it was like during the trial being on Amber’s side. The amount of shit she got thrown her way and the way she was mocked felt like I was in the twilight zone

[@filmsgilmore]

it was obvious they wanted amber to k1ll herself. I’ve never seen a hate campaign in recent years as bad as this one. so disturbing i hope she has found peace.

[@3self]

Why would you be on her side ? Both him and her were abusers. From the trial, all the audio evidence examples , testimonies on both behalf , it’s clear as day they’re both nasty individuals. I don’t see why you would defend either of them.

[@Rodoet001]

@@3self Because women can't be perpetrators, men can't be victims, and society loves the idea of the "perfect victim." If someone does anything bad to you, doesn't matter how small it is, you are always justified to do whatever you want against them. At least if you go by the standards of today's social climate, especially online. Both were shit heads and frankly deserved each other, but we can't have that because people need to have a hero (or victim) to root for. Because it was never about setting things right, it was always about being on "the right side" and win. It's evident by both the video and the comment section reflecting it. (You can also see it with a lot of videos about JD in context to that trial, but from my experience AH defenders are way more rabid about it, and it's rarely because they actually care about AH.)

[@123huggaable]

@@dudu-dudu2438 I think she literally threw shit at him though ?

[@halinaqi2194]

@@123huggaable I believe it was alleged she took a dookie on the bed or something to that effect and nearly sliced his finger off by throwing a glass object at him. Watching it back, yes there appears to be abuse from both parties to eachother, but the percepetion of it was one sided. Heard did not look put together and her legal team did not seem as sharp as depps, and depp did have a lot more charisma during the hearings. And by the time of that court case, depp already was let go of many of his big roles because of heards public remarks about their relationship. So depp looked like the victim on the onset since he was losing his oppurtunities as an actor, so people naturally flocked to his side during the case. If anything, making it public was the best thing to happen for him at the time, as it became more about public opinion than the merits of the case for either side. There wasnt a hero, but two deeply flawed individuals that were in a very unhealthy relationship

[@honey-bagder3451]

My feelings weren't hurt by the joke, but I really appreciate you coming out and addressing it all the same.

[@dudettevlogs4257]

He’s clout chasing

[@benshatpiro83]

@@dudettevlogs4257How so?

[@RhiaCapri]

It definitely made me side eye him, but I let it roll

[@ashtonsgotsauce]

@@dudettevlogs4257???

[@HK-gm8pe]

anyone who watched the whole trial and listened to the evidence knows that Amber was a sadist in this case...yes Johnny was a drug addict and a messy person who destroyed THINGS in his house...but who cares? that doesnt prove that he was abusive , Amber on the other hand was also a drug addict and also a messy person but difference is rthat with Amber there were REAL evidence that she was a sadist who actually tortured her husband....and she recorded while she tortured him....denying him medications and filming him while he was screaming in pain , Im shocked that soo many people already start to forget what kind of woman this was .... Im very glad that she went away...maybe stoip talking about it already , let her live her life in spain and Depp has a new life aswell....and about " this sets women rights back 100 years" ...NO that hasnt happened, women are still believed....if they have real proof ( amber had 0 only proof that she had was the fact that she was the abuser) there isnt any evidence that Depp hit her even once but even if he did then I am sorry but i kinda even understand....if you have abuser with you in your house and you try to escape but this crazy b**ch just doesnt leave you alone then I can understand pushing her away for example....what else can you do in this situation? and Im a woman who was stabbed by my ex btw.....so I know very well what abuse is

[@Maddub97]

I have a problem with the Elon musk bit. After leaving an abusive relationship, victims are typically in an incredibly vulnerable state. This can be financial, emotional, mental, and/or physical vulnerability. I don’t blame her for dating another awful man right after. I have been in several abusive/toxic relationships in my life and I am at my most vulnerable right after leaving them. I even left one unhealthy relationship just to get into another one right after. I used the stress and drama from the new one to distract from having to fully process the stress and pain from the previous one. It’s an unhealthy coping mechanism, yes, but it should never be used as a knock against a victim’s character or a reason to dislike them. All love though, thank you for speaking on this. It’s been incredibly disappointing to see how few corrections I’ve seen on this topic from people who were knowingly unknowingly taking part in perpetuating her abuse.

[@blackswan4486]

I agree. He may have came on to her very strongly because he knew she would look like a gold digger for being with him and he could push her away and make her look like the bad guy. Not saying this is what happened, this is just a possibility.

[@Linathehuman]

Musk offered her a security detail before her divorce with Depp was finalised and he'd just physically attacked her multiple times. It was also in 2016/2017 (even before the pedo guy stuff) when it was still beneficial for him to pretend to be a Liberal, not psycho Trump supporting asshole Musk. It's come out that Musk also stalked and surveilled her during their relationship. He leaked one of their intimate pictures this year, too, which is especially fucked because of what happened to her in the past and the work she did trying to outlaw cyber exploitation.

[@GodheadNee]

news is apparently elon bugged her and was being weird and controlling too, so... If her primary flaw is "dating bad men" I think she's about as perfect as a victim as there can be... and yet, she still gets treated like this.

[@Maddub97]

Also, his public image then is very different from his public image now. There was a period of time where people were comparing him to Tony stark, so much so that they gave him a cameo in iron man 2. He’s a conman, he’s just recently become a lot worse at being able to hide it. I don’t blame her at all for not seeing it back then.

[@jenniferhunter4074]

It's also something we've seen in less public relationships. Heard has a type and, in my opinion, her type is questionable. She may have been raised in a circumstance where she thinks the Elon Musks or the Johnny Depps are her parameters for potential partners. Don't we all know women, and men, who have horribly consistent bad taste in their choice of partner? It could also be the rebound. Amber isn't feeling good about herself and Elon came at the right moment for her to be susceptible to his ... I don't know what word to put in because Musk is so repulsive to me. But going by the list of baby mamas.. he must have some form of charisma.. I think. I think we have a tendency to want to put all the responsibility on the woman in an effort, subconsciously maybe, to excuse men's behavior. I bet that even if it were a lesbian relationship, if they broke up, people would be saying "This wouldn't have happened if it were a heterosexual relationship." But that's going to require a larger societal shift and I hope we make it through without the conservatives screwing us up.

[@KitannaColumbine]

This woman was legit deHUMANIZED in this trial. MY QUESTION IS, WHY DID AN ABUSE CASE HAVE A NATIONWIDE AUDIENCE? I always found it so cruel. Update: I have my answer! Thanks guys!

[@LindsayRaeGun]

It was all part of Johnny's plan to further his global smear campaign of her, and sadly it worked.

[@Harlem1mentality]

Because it had two stars on trials. One who has been famous for decades. The other who had a huge movie recently. It’s not rocket science to figure out. JD defense put on a masterclass and I’m not mad his team.

[@laurabeijerink7985]

Because it wasn’t an abuse case, but a defamation case. It was televised to restore Depp’s public image

[@countrysleaze7962]

Literally, I live in the UK and this trial was literally on the news here at the time as well… like why? When there’s so much famine, poverty and war to report on? Lmao

[@hippykiller2775]

BECAUSE AMBER MADE IT PUBLIC THE ENTIRE TIME! Like did literally NONE of you watch the trail?!

[@lexa_power]

Thanks for this video. I was going through domestic violence at home while this court case was happening, and i feel like my abuser just used everything he learned on tv to abuse me more. It was horrible to go through at the time and horrible now, your voice is very important because not many men are speaking about this. Thanks.

[@thunder____]

I think your point about white feminism being able to erase the important contributions and even the existence of black feminists applies to all sorts of white activism too, and I say that as a white person. This is obviously not a novel take, but I bring it up because I have a relevant anecdote. I recently saw a video about Detroit by a white urbanism KZbinr, and in it he defended the gentrification at the hands of billionaires like Dan Gilbert by saying that if you ask the people living in Detroit, you aren't going to hear a whole lot of people wanting to go back to where the city was twenty or thirty years ago. And yes, if you ask the people CURRENTLY living there who obviously can still afford to live there, of course gentrification is good for them, but that erases the displacement (and often homelessness) of the (largely BIPOC) people who can no longer afford to live in their hometown. It was incredibly disappointing to see this person literally point out the gentrification and then completely sidestep the main reason why gentrification is bad.

[@lillybilly9954]

Great point! And as a black person with family roots in Detroit, this is not discussed much.

[@ryss335]

This is such a great point that could be talk more and even could be a video topic in the future, hope someone made a thorough video essay bout this soon

[@BB-ed4om]

Downtown Detroit is like 7 streets. It’s a sprawling nightmare of a city, abandoned houses for miles on end. Yes that small area of Detroit has changed a lot and is gentrified and now a busy business district, but the rest of the city remains a nightmare where no normal person would be caught dead exploring. those old abandoned neighborhoods are still a hotbed of violence and drugs.

[@crnkmnky]

@@BB-ed4om You said that no "normal" person would be caught dead in those "abandoned" neighborhoods. I'm no scholar of Detroit, but your usage of those adjectives immediately rubbed me the wrong way. Seeing your other recent comments, you are either an avowed contrarian skeptic, or you're precisely the type of person the OP is referring to.

[@douugr4967]

Editor has been real quiet since this dropped

[@senayb3]

👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾

[@jonathantotin8945]

seems, as the kids say, sus

[@Kuria_zhaints]

ong, the Editor is spiraling rn, he better drop a diss track ASAP 😂

[@leonardchurch814]

I remember when this trial was going down that I came to the conclusion, “Amber and Johnny were bad for each other.” And I still do to some extent, but I also remember seeing all these misogynist-leaning or adjacent accounts on Twitch and Twitter just going off on Amber without looking critically at Johnny. It was clear from DAY ONE that so many people in these spaces did not care about the harm Johnny perpetrated or the abuse Amber experienced. All they saw was Captain Jack Sparrow defending himself from some woman who dared to try and come at him. It definitely soured me and reinforced just how bad abused women AND MEN have it in this country.

[@JulianSteve]

That was my takeaway too. Amber and Johnny were bad for each other. I also believe that Johnny took advantage of having a lot of money and being 20 + years older than her💯

[@tinywhale3954]

Yeah, the true story was that both of them were incredibly abusive and toxic to each other in that relationship, both victims and perpetrator. The reason it blew up the way it did is because Amber heard wrote a little column or something in the mid 2010s calling Johnny Depp abusive without explicitly naming him and he was blacklisted from the industry from it for like 7 years, and he never made a public response or anything, he just quietly disappeared. People were shocked and angry at her when it came out she was also a massive piece of shit that basically twisted the story into her being a sole victim, when In fact they were both pieces of shit

[@themysticwarriorgal9465]

Oh gosh not the "both of them were toxic" rhetoric. Y'all do know there's no such thing right?

[@idontwantahandlethough]

@@tinywhale3954 I agree, but at the same time it's kinda hard for me to hold them as "equally shitty" when one of them is 40-something and the other one is in their 20's. I expect people to have learned how to be a decent human being by their 40's, not so much in their 20's 🤷‍♂ (not that there aren't plenty of horrible older people or fantastic younger people)

[@eleonarcrimson858]

Did you just read that comment with one eye closed?​@@themysticwarriorgal9465

[@clarice3978]

Did you watch Matt Bernstein's video on this? Thank you for covering this. I knew johnny was no good from the jump and defended Amber to many people around me. Johnny was laughing, smirking and cracking jokes in court. Amber wasn't. It wasn't funny to her. He called her a washed up stripper and a lesbian camp counsellor... those were the worst insults he had for this woman. The dog shit in the bed. Johnny is besties with Marilyn Manson and that man is disgusting. I say this as a former fan, MM was the first live concert I ever attended as a teenager. Who you are friends with says a lot about you as a person. Johnny sent some truly horrible texts to Manson about Amber. He promised wordwide humiliation and that's what he gave her.

[@ruthiebee11]

the moment i saw people talking about amber heard doing drugs ON THE STAND i had to just stop paying attention to the case.

[@nyheemjohnson8243]

Sis was sniffing that napkin tho be fr 🤣😂

[@nerdjournal]

I think that Signifier is leaving out some context. No one thinks there wasn't abuse that occurred. It was just proven largely by her own evidence and witnesses that the abuse was not what she stated. There were literally multiple doctors photos that were edited and could be proven as edited, since photocopies of the same image with different effects were literally submitted as evidence. You can talk multiple images from her own evidence and overlay them with each other and prove they aren't two separate images. It's damning when the other side proves at least she did fake two pieces of evidence. Also, her own psychiatrist was the one who said that she was the one who initiate the violence and that Johnny was the one who would try to remove himself from the situation. He just wasn't always successful. When they were talking about her doing drugs on the stand, it wasn't to say doing drugs are bad, it was to prove that she was lying about her worries about Johnny's sobriety when she wasn't actually staying sober herself. There was absolutely some form of mutual violence going on, but when you laid out the actual evidence, including the literal hours of taped conversations with her repeatedly admitting to hitting Johnny Depp and being mad that he wouldn't STAY and fight. There was a lot of one-sidedness online, but that didn't change the facts of the case and what the actual evidence pointed to. It pointed to her likely being subject to some violence, unfortunately, she seemed to be the one instigating the violence in a lot of cases and was more than willing to doctor images to make them look more damning.

[@nyheemjohnson8243]

@@nerdjournal Jesus yap sesh

[@kyralindsey5885]

​@nyheemjohnson8243 so evidence means nothing? Depp is the only one who needed stitches

[@crazylego98]

​@@nyheemjohnson8243 your critical thinking skills are just as bad as the people following a tiktok body language "expert". If you don't want to discuss why are you even here lol. Life that boring?

[@lol-vb8wg]

I felt like a crazy person when I saw the way people were treating her in 2022. Thank you for covering this.

[@sovereignbrehon]

I'm even crazier. I understood that they were setting us up for something that was coming. Then we had Weinstein and Masterson. And so many more are coming. A lot was lost during this psyops.

[@HK-gm8pe]

Im a girl who was literally stabbed by my ex.... and I watched the whole trial...Amber heard is a sadist....things she did to Johnny were absolutely outrageous and its sad to me that people have already forgotten....how she denied him his medications!! how she filmed him while he was crying in pain! how she cut off his finger...put cigarettes out in his face!!! You know what? I believe that Johnny might have hit hr maybe once or twice( eventhough there were no evidence but whatever lets go with that) I truly believe that even if he did that then it was to protect himself...cause he tried to go away but this crazy women followed him around...you can listen to the tapes...its soo freakin obvious, I dont agree with all the hate she has received but in the same time I kinda dont feel sorry either...you cant be such a sadist and then go and tell everybody that you are the victim, Amber heard has some serious problems...so does Johnny but evidence only showed that Johnny was a drug addict who was overall just a messy person but never did the evidence show that he was an abuser....in Ambers case evidence showed thats he is also a drug addict and a messy person...but not only that, Amber is a sadist aswell who enjoys torturing her husband

[@lol-vb8wg]

@@HK-gm8pe “i watched the whole trial” meaning you watched biased and edited 30 second tiktok videos. he was not denied any medications nor did she cut off his finger lol his finger is still very much attached to his body and he did that to himself. he is a fall down drunk with a history of violence and domestic abuse and the physical and verbal abuse he inflicted onto Amber is very much well documented. hitting your abuser back is not mutual abuse. there’s a reason he’s a court proven abuser in the uk and a sham trial he influenced with bots, pr, and allowing cameras and his brainwashed fans into the court room does not change that.

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

@@lol-vb8wg I was on johnny depp's side, i didn't really watch videos about that but some of the court's lives and i would say since i saw a comment about reactive abuse it mades sense and years later reminded me of my own experience. i think i'll have to look at the court docs because i wasn't totally a feminist back then, but i'll say, since it was the 1st time we saw a man being a victim and his exes saying he didn't do anything (which could work as a "oh he didn't do anything to me so he won't do that!," but since they're ex wives i feel like it might be unlikely) i feel like the public was on his side, mostly when he filmed the videos + the violence in texts reminded me of my own experience.

[@jellyfish_bubbles]

Clocked it!!! ​@@lol-vb8wg

[@catp1ss987]

Insane how every part of the internet was on Depps side, when this case was happening it was near impossible to hear anything from Heard's side. The only parts that went "viral" were people picking apart amber's breakdown and clips of amber's lawyers messing up. Pissed me off when i found out because the youtubers on Depps side had millions of subscribers and have never been held accountable for spreading misinformation.

[@CLL21]

There was like 1 small community on reddit that was supporting Amber & I was on it but unfortunately, that community has went real downhill.

[@UpRoaryus]

Anyone who has only watched coverage of trial highlights rather than the whole trial needs to stfu about it. There's a reason the people are behind Depp and its not because of the fan support he has from acting. Get the information from both sides as they present it themselves and look at which side holds up under scrutiny and jibes with evidence. Fuck the spin, watch the testimony and it's obvious who is telling the truth and who is trying to punish the other or take advantage. Depp is not a violent man, he ran from her and she is a problem. Maybe she is that way because of some early trauma that she was hurt by, but she is a whole piece of work all by herself.

[@syaliishi914]

it was such a frustrating time because i even had mutuals cheering on depp. and if anyone went to look for actual news articles then even "credible" news sources seemed to be parroting the same ol' twitter nonsense. very few news outlets seemed to be neutral at that time.

[@AleyxLunara]

It's really quite scary, it's known Depp's team had bot disinformation armies pushing stuff everywhere, Saudi Arabia was involved as well, from what I read from researchers - it shows how easily people can be fooled just by pushing propaganda enough online (it was getting pushed so much even if you hit not interested you would still get it), so many believed the lies because it felt like everyone else did

[@Gullvivas]

Heard`s side was told in the court for many weeks,yes both sides was told -you tubers was just talking about all facts,and not spreading misinformations! Because of the Facts,most people supported Depp of course! That was the genuin reason for it.

[@scoobert9]

Medusone is fantastic im so happy you mentioned her!!

[@filmsgilmore]

thank you for speaking out. i find it so interesting how the evidence of amber being “abusive” against johnny is from the last year or 2 of their relationship. meanwhile there is evidence of him controlling her and fantasizing about r@ping her corpse from the start. she reacted after years of abuse, it’s simple as that. he at first claimed he never headbutted her then changed his story to “it was an accident” after he was faced with an audio of him admitting to it. he’s a liar. also not to mention he was arrested for assault twice before amber was even 5. & he threw a wine bottle towards his ex ellen barkin when he was angry.

[@dudettevlogs4257]

Those texts with his friend about the corpse was a joke.. 😂😂

[@megan-mr9vk]

also their age and power difference when they met… it’s crazy

[@user-xi6xi6di7n]

​@@dudettevlogs4257 Right, so funny, ha ha! Just locker room humor from two boys! Boys will be Boys! Nothing concerning to see here!

[@mellie98]

It's crazier when people think a little girl could abuse an older popular Rich powerful man and poor man could not do anything about that . They think Johny is 5 years old boy😢​@@megan-mr9vk

[@billbill6094]

​​@@dudettevlogs4257 I wouldn't joke about my SO like that, if it's something I know they'd rightfully be horrified by why would I even have the desire to?

[@sarahmcdonald6980]

This trial was so rough as someone who experienced dv, watching everyone in my life support Johnny was terrifying

[@detritusofseattle]

Watching you guys support Heard just because she's a woman, despite her horrific behavior, was actually pretty horrid.

[@xletragedyx]

​@@detritusofseattle did he abuse her?

[@sarahmcdonald6980]

@@detritusofseattle you guys? The entire world supported him hahahaha you’re reaching for victim hood so hard

[@detritusofseattle]

@@xletragedyx Not sure. Maybe. I know she definitely abused him though. He apparently went to the hospital because of her violence.

[@sarahmcdonald6980]

@@detritusofseattle well based on all the evidence I saw , he abused her and she fought back

[@TomMinnow]

Appreciate you making this. My mom forced me to listen to the recording of an argument between Depp and Heard, she was attempting to demonstrate how "insane" Heard sounded. Listening to that recording, I was taken back to arguments with my ex, where I was disoriented, exhausted, at my wits end trying to make him understand what he was doing to me, meanwhile he was calm and contemptuous. Being with abusors is maddening. They want you to believe exactly as you said: that every reaction to their abuse is proof that they're the real victim. They weild uncertainty, benefit of the doubt and the love you have for them against you. Exactly as I've seen Depp do with the public and Heard. I can't imagine the emotional turmoil this has been for Heard, regardless of my personal distaste for her outside this context. She had to break through the belief that she deserved his treatment to leave him. Then she had to go through that self loathing and shame all over again when the public decided she was a villain.

[@BiggerinRealLife]

I read your comment and felt instant kinship. No one knows what living through that is like, until you’ve gone through it. Disoriented, exhausted, trying to make him understand what he was doing….yup. Sending you a hug because I know what listening to that trial did to me.

[@Bessmarv]

Absolutely. I'm not sure how anyone could listen to the full recordings (and yes, I mean the FULL recordings, not the recordings that were manipulated to cut out whole swaths of the conversation, even cutting out parts of sentences to make him look better and her sound worse -- those deceptively edited recordings were manipulated by his team and leaked to youtubers as part of the smear campaign) and come away with the sense that HE was a victim here. He repeatedly verbally abuses her, yells at her, belittles her, calls her the c-word over and over, says things like "you're a leftover over the hill stripper and that's all you'll ever be" (at age 30), admits to violence multiple times ("I headbutted you in the f-ing forehead"). She repeatedly references his violence and her injuries from his abuse ("it was like the plane were you kicked me" "everyone around me saw the split lip, the swollen nose" "you threw bottles, you threw me, you hit me") in those recordings. When people say "she's obviously the abuser, you clearly haven't heard the recordings" they're obviously referring to the edited ones from grifters working with Depp's team like "Incredibly Average" or "ThatBrianFella" or "ThatUmbrellaGuy." If you listen to the full, unedited recordings, it's very clear what happened here. There's a reason all of the domestic abuse experts and organizations stand with Amber Heard.

[@KookiesNolly]

honestly, i know so many women who at one point or another have acted like her in one of those recordings or text messages because of an abuser (parent or partner). Yet several of them joined the hate train against her, almost as a way to show that THEY were real victims unlike this "fake" one. It's wild how much people are willfully unware of how EASY it is to make the victim look bad. In every single situation you have been victimized if you"re marginalized enough by the audience and if the perpetrator is charismatic enough, you can be made to look bad. Like it's genuinely PISS EASSY. Anyone can clip 10 min of your life and build a new context around it to lead others to draw conclusions about your character. No one person is just a recording or a picture. Always look at the context to understand others especially when abuse is involved. It's easy to make conjectures but i promise you it is NOT FUN when the fingers are pointed in your direction for a change. It's maddening to me misrepresented and it is so so so easy to misrepresent others.

[@LeolaGlamour]

Johnny sounded tired not Amber. Sorry but she is on tape saying he runs away from her. I'm not saying he never assaulted her, but he seems like he tried to get away to prevent that. She was also abusing him.

[@E.J.Crunkleton]

@@LeolaGlamour As a man who was abused by a former partner. I was triggered by Amber's attitude and testimony. It brought me back to when my partner would force me into arguments which would sometimes escalate into violence. I would try to leave and get "hugged" or grappled in a bear hug (but not super tight) and then when i would try to separate us she would fling herself on the floor as if I threw her down. If i stayed she used that as an excuse to "hit me back" and if i left the cops got called. Amber has the exact same energy/vibe. Perhaps JD is an abuser, and if so i hope he gets caught and pays for it in the courts.

[@nmd33]

Idk why youtube is showing me this just now, but I respect you a lot for this video. I grew up being a fan of Depp, but he is an abuser and seeing how the entire world turned on Amber made think twice about speaking out in the future.

[@DeppheadYogiGirlofUniverse]

JD is innocent😍 ✨

[@abandonablesnowman]

As someone who grew up with an addict, I always had a hard time believing Johnny as an addict of multiple substances was purely a victim, given the way men are socialized to externalize their anger. It just didn’t add up

[@brennam954]

His comment about wanting to set Amber's body on fire and then r**e her dead corpse told me he was an abuser. People can and do say awful things when they are airing grievanes against their abuser, but his comment just seemed vile and misogynistic and made me suspicious of him as a person.

[@angiefowler775]

@@brennam954grow up. You know nothing of this case. Why don’t you read the whole text instead of that little snippet. He implied nothing of the kind

[@juicyparsons]

there's a comment just above this that says _"The exposure of Amber and her tendency to lash out violently needed to be just as loud and public as her accusation about him, or he’d be remembered as a monster, a bully who was unpredictably violent when the exact opposite was true. He is a useless addict, a barely ever conscious sad sack, who would disappear or overdose or hide away for days on end. She hated it, she wanted him to fight and tried to provoke him over and over."_ --------people LOVE to turn everything into purely "good vs. evil" 🙄🙄 How tf can Johnny be just a "useless addict" when his penchant for destroying property has been WELL documented?? I think BOTH of them are manipulative and both of them definitely have the capacity for violence. But society let one of them pretty much off the hook

[@gem9535]

@@angiefowler775 He said it in black and white text, dude. Depp isn't going to give you a hug and kiss on your forehead if you defend him from the meanie-weanie comments. Stop demeaning yourself.

[@gem9535]

@@brennam954 Yeah, seeing those texts nearly made me gag. That is not something a safe person says. I've wanted to off my abusers, of course, but I never wanted to violate them like that. I wanted to off them so I could feel safe in my own home and skin. It was more like a desperate want to be away from them, not a vindictive urge to hurt. How tf those texts got ignored boggles my mind.

[@hanktheclank]

we really need widespread education on DARVO because this is such a classic case of it

[@AddiSaysHi]

I was fooled by this when it happened. Now that I've actually heard the full story I'm angry that so much misinformation was spread and that I fell for it. I also didn't know that "body language experts" were brought in to accuse Heard and when I found that out my opinions very quickly changed on the matter.

[@AddiSaysHi]

Oh yeah, I can't forget when I found out Manson and Depp were close friends which conpletely destroyed my opinion of Depp!

[@nananana1133]

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!!!!

[@Alexis-WriterACKnight]

Who is we, I been dropped Johnny and Brad pitt

[@gearyt2355]

What did Pitt do?

[@kweenz600]

@@gearyt2355 he’s been credibly accused of abusing Angelina Jolie and their children

[@gearyt2355]

@@kweenz600 who accused?

[@mandu6665]

@@gearyt2355 His own adopted kids.

[@JulianSteve]

Same here. Brad’s a menace too🤬

[@Vanessa-uo6lt]

Since I am amongst video essay lover, I wanna recommend two that talk about social media and the Amber Heard case: - "How Social Media Changes Your Mind" by verilybitchie - "I Debunked Every 'Body Language Expert' On KZbin" by münecat I hope Amber finds some peace and happiness after the internet demonized her like that

[@bloomnights]

Rebecca Watson has a good, brief video on it too called "You're wrong about Johnny Deep and Amber Heard"

[@glupik1234]

Matt Bernstein has a good, empathetic episode about her on his podcast.

[@Cauldron6]

The Princess Weekes video "True Crime and the Theatre of Safety"

[@gem9535]

Yeeees, Munecat's video! I joke that, if I ever get arrested, they're going to arrest me for whatever I've been accused of PLUS all the other active cases they have because I'm ND af. My body language screams 'guilty' because I'm always NERVOUS.

[@Blazecap]

I also saw one channel where they also did pro heard videos but I'll edit if I remember the name

[@chronisi]

The fact Depp specifically chose a court that allowed for recording during trial made me immediately suspicious of him. He was trying to abuse her using the courts and the public, and it worked.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

It’s called forum shopping, standard legal trick.

[@ZLEAP]

If I had somebody trying to destroy my public image I'd 100% choose a court that allows cameras in order to protect myself from spin. All courts should be recorded and available to the public.

[@BB-ed4om]

It’s called “you destroyed my career and my public image now let’s publicly hash this thing out since that’s clearly what you want”. The exposure of Amber and her tendency to lash out violently needed to be just as loud and public as her accusation about him, or he’d be remembered as a monster, a bully who was unpredictably violent when the exact opposite was true. He is a useless addict, a barely ever conscious sad sack, who would disappear or overdose or hide away for days on end. She hated it, she wanted him to fight and tried to provoke him over and over. Sick toxic relationship. If she didn’t want her behavior public, it didnt have to be. She wanted to tell her narrative, and have his voice drowned out by public shaming. Sorry that’s not how it works.

[@Raphe9000]

The case being open for the public allowed things like Heard openly admitting to abusing Depp to be broadcast. That recording had existed for a good while, but a large portion of people were able to pretend like they didn't know about it because it was inconvenient to their narrative.

[@XxYwise]

CourtTV requested the cameras. Y'all victim-blamers never stop lying.

[@sillyaurora]

I’m so glad you referenced Medusone’s videos on this topic! She’s how I learned about the full story and I was so impressed by her work, she’s super underrated.

[@vsgddhdbbb]

People don’t talk about amber heard being a victim bc when the court case was actively going on, everyone was already on Johnny depps side and they were BRUTAL. Laughing at the sa story, saying she shit the bed, claiming Johnny was just defending himself, she was just acting, etc. a true crime KZbinr I used to watch was so anti amber heard it turned me away from her content… so many people were like this online and irl

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Yeah, I can't believe the stuff in the bed made it into the trial. It really seems that was there specifically to humiliate Amber in a sexist way.

[@cla2599]

Even before the trial everyone supported Depp because of the leaked edited audios

[@bece00]

Lol is it Boze?

[@vsgddhdbbb]

@@bece00 🫢 you may be correct

[@GracyXOX1]

If you mean Boze I had the same experience. Like I already had an issue with the tendency to play into the perfect victim thing in general but the active bias while eating up and aiding in full narratives about a woman who continues to be harassed just raising her baby was a lot. It was so gross how this all was entertainment to people.

[@Rhaifha]

I remember seeing shorts making fun of "what a bad actress" Amber Heard supposedly was for how she looked during the trial and it made me extremely uncomfortable. Like.. people have to look a specific way for you to believe that they've been hurt?

[@Tusisvrivhing]

Yep, it was disgusting

[@plovergrrl]

I didn't follow this case much either, but for me it was crazy that this was all over an editorial in which Depp isn't even named. She wasn't suing him, she wasn't pursuing charges, she was speaking out, that's it. Also, the fact that he lost in Europe was pretty telling to me. I've since heard more details from some of the videos you noted, and it's pretty clear that Depp was an abuser, even if Heard reacted in the "wrong ways" (to be clear, I think there is an array of reactions to abuse and we need to stop acting like there is a right way).

[@Bessmarv]

And the editorial truly was just about lending her voice to promoting Title IX and VAWA legislation. It wasn’t about him. She had teams of lawyers look over it and they gave her the OK. The statements she was sued for were objectively true.

[@lemonsgalore93]

If you didn't follow the case closely and look at the presented evidence then you are not making an informed opinion. Your opinion is largely skewed by emotions. A jury of peers agreed that Amber Heard defamed Johnny Depp on all 3 counts. And for 1 out of 3 charges, the jury agreed that Johnny Depp's lawyer, considered as Johnny Depp, defamed Amber Heard. She may not have mentioned him by name but she may as well have. She was only married to one man and was publicly paparazzi-ed leaving a divorce courthouse with what appeared to be a mark on her cheek, no swelling, no bruising, that would have been unmistakable if a man always wearing heavy rings whacked across her face. The headline that Johnny Depp beat his wife reached even someone like me who never followed celebrities. He lost jobs after that, known as a woman beater from then on. This was not an criminal trial deciding if there was abuse or not, this was a civil trial about defamation. I highly suggest you watch Lawyers watching and streaming the whole trial. I recommend Emily D. Baker's coverage. She stays neutral and explains the law very clearly. She also goes through why the UK trial between Johnny Depp and The Sun was not allowed to come in. Notice that the lawsuit was not between Depp and Heard before a jury but Depp and a Tabloid newspaper before 1 judge. The UK law system and the US law system is also very different. Consider the audio recordings between the 2 people: Amber very clearly admitted that she starts fights and that Johnny is a good man who walks away. She constantly berates him for running away from their fights. In another recording, she also dares to Depp to tell the world that he, a man, has been abused and see if the world believes him. The tapes are literally on KZbin. By her accounts, Johnny Depp brutalized her face frequently. Brutalized her in her privates. But she never went to a hospital for broken bones, broken noses, stitches, internal bleeding, no such record of her going to a hospital for treatment for life-threatening injuries. So a logical person would consider who is lying based on the evidence. But if you are not going to bother, then I'm not going to comment any further. I truly hope you consider the audio and photographic evidence at the very least, if you wish to disregard all the character witnesses and material witnesses who testified for Johnny Depp. I wish you a good day.

[@Bessmarv]

@@lemonsgalore93 I know all the evidence backwards and forwards which is how I can tell you’re wildly misinformed. Emily d baker actively spread misinformation about this case, such as claiming that she gave testimony behind closed doors in the UK trial without depp’s lawyers present, which is just a flat out lie. She is a grifter who picked the lucrative side. She is not a good source. If you actually look at her testimony instead of lying about it and exaggerating it, she did not say she was “brutalized in the face frequently.” You should revisit it. Only 27% of victims ever seek medical attention and I assume that’s lower when it’s your husband, an obscenely famous movie star. She never claimed broken bones. The most she ever said was she thought her nose might be broken. She never claimed life threatening injuries. She claimed cuts and bruises, which 11 witnesses testified to, and she has many photos of. You should actually listen to the unedited tapes (not the ones Depp’s team maliciously edited and leaked to KZbinrs, like a guilty person would do) to hear the many times Depp admitted to violence, the many times he was verbally abusive and controlling and cruel, the many times she references his violence and her injuries without a denial from him. I’m sorry the KZbin grifters you trusted led you so far astray. You shouldn’t trust people like that blindly like you clearly have.

[@KSharpIAm]

My brother, you are such a breath of fresh air. You are logical, pragmatic, and masculine without demonstrating any of the negative traits usually associated with those qualities. Idk you personally, but you present yourself as the type of man I try to be and encourage my other brothers to be. I won't say much more because I don't have time for the manosphere weirdo contrarians coming for me, but I believe you hear me clearly and that's what matters. Stay up 🤜🏾🤛🏾

[@whitalleys5893]

As an assault survivor this trial was so triggering. We put so much onus on survivors to be perfect or their experiences are invalidated. You could be Jesus Christ and they will find something to say you are a clown and a liar.

[@salishanmusic]

Yeah they killed Jesus...

[@cadenisforeverbored1612]

fr 🙏

[@kingkarlito]

doctoring a single image into "multiple" images is not an example of Jesus being turned into a lying clown. they probably both pooped in the bed, but only one of them had tangible evidence supporting their side of the story. pretending this was decided by the mob and not the sequestered jury years down the line illustrate why this is a gross attempt to reclaim the narrative. i'd love some evidence that the jury or court was somehow corrupted, but they don't have any, so instead they will just imply how we all know it happened. outlining how he was going to mislead people because this has all become his career and the other side is evil so he should be rewarded for lying was not the turn i expected this video to make. and circling back to self flagellate and blame the black community for amber heard's disastrous lawyers really threw me. you don't have to lie about depp and heard to criticize how people and the media consumed the trial. but that isn't enough, depp must be punished and heard redeemed, so instead we're asked to forget that the parties chose to arbitrate their issues in op-ed's and allow cameras into their courtroom, now years later we're transforming this into a massive orchestrated humiliation ritual. heard had the opportunities to preserve her evidence or record injuries, but she chose not to and instead tried to recreate it the night before. depp did preserve evidence that supported his story as well as accompanying records that he sought medical treatment. both sides likely have no clue how they actually abused one another because of their chronic intoxication. heard knew all of this, chose to turn it into a media circus, and suddenly the alt right is to blame? you and fd are the one's forcing heard into the perfect survivor role despite it not fitting her or this trial well at all. any lawyer will tell you that trials are all unique and difficult to predict, no one other than you decided to attach your feelings about your own assault to this trial. this video and comments are the marxist-leninist/dei bogeyman i had previously assumed only existed in jordan peterson's xanax dreams, yet here we are refusing to judge individual cases on their own merits and instead building your judgements around the types of people being represented to balance the scales of punishment. ignoring the reality that doesn't fit our desired vibes. refusing to argue your opinions because you have already decided that all of your critics must be evil is completely destroying progressive's sanity. go ahead and pretend i'm the alt right, ignore me, refuse to vote for democrats, and continue murdering the good in pursuit of perfect if this is your grift for cash or cool points. if you're not into red brown alliances, stop it and get some help. you are manifesting the alt right's delusions about yourself.

[@t19890204]

Ok who cares

[@thirdwheel9938]

^ Typical case of JD apologists not caring about abuse victims

[@pingpong5877]

Remember, as long as you look and sound calm and collected, and your enemies look and sound crazy, you will always win the publics opinion.

[@juicyparsons]

🎯🎯🎯🎯 absolutely! and manipulative people use that to their advantage because they KNOW that the public doesn't get it

[@tdaddy26]

Except that they'll say that if a woman sounds too calm and detached while describing abuse then she probably wasn't really abused.

[@nadjak3410]

​@@tdaddy26 was just about to say this. A woman calm and collected is always a woman being at least cold, calculating or even sociopathic

[@ReshonBryant]

Kinda why I'm missing right now. Just not for reasons people think. Don't wanna misconstrue or mix up why I got outta the way for a minute🤣

[@DunningKrugerJnr]

@@nothanks71 except for the bit where Heard was abusive

[@mv9653]

Thank you for shouting out Medusone’s series. It’s incredible work with so much research. It completely changed my perspective. (Also, Illuminaughtii actually did what people accused Heard of, plus, like Depp, she owned the house her victim lived in, making it that much harder for him to escape. He’s still dealing with the fallout. When people talk about women public figures abusing male victims, that story should be the go-to, not Depp v Heard.)

[@cat_duck]

Wait what? Illuminaughtii? What'd she do? If you don't mind explaining briefly or like pointing me towards a video that does

[@bellablue5285]

​@cat_duck dude. There are multiple videos from multiple people both involved and external, just looking up her username on here will pull them up.

[@amyold199]

​@@cat_duck basically human trafficked her boyfriend. I know that sounds dramatic when I put it like this, but they were living in her house and she and had him working for her, without pay, because the money supposedly paid for his rent and for a debt that she asked him to take on (a car for herself that she asked him to buy because he had "better credit"). This is how I remember it at least

[@cadenisforeverbored1612]

this

[@mv9653]

@@cat_duckOz Media is her victim’s channel. If you go to it, he has a few videos explaining his experiences. Definitely worth a watch.

[@born_asleep]

thank you for speaking on this. lord knows nothing ever changes until a man talks about it.

[@UN00NE]

To this day i cant believe there were people seriously convinced that Amber was doing cocaine in the courtroom.

[@NotDaveGahan]

People’s reaction to the whole Depp v Heard mess made me lose my faith in humanity. Not only are people virulently misogynistic, they’re also dumb as fuck!

[@AudreyBigham]

on live tv next to a judge. just a joke

[@iced4life3]

There was that one time though when she was pretending to write notes down but she actually wasnt lol.

[@malchickoleander]

@@iced4life3 Oh nooo she wasn't writing notes... That means she was lying about being assaulted...?

[@user-o5msacbxo4]

what a chad move tbh, i dont care if its true or not it i will believe its true just because it sounds so based

[@No_One-d9z]

The way I clicked this, I AM SO HAPPY SOMEONE IS BRINGING THIS UP! I already know what the videos about to be about.

[@alicem2103]

I have been waiting soo long for literally any breadtuber to put out a video on this and state how bad this whole smear campaign against her was, and I'm so grateful that one of my favorite creators was the one to do so! Thank you FD!

[@Spookybluelights]

So I was sexually assaulted as a teenager, I spoke up about it because I was under the impression that I would be protected and that the person who assaulted me would see consequences for his actions. The opposite happened, I was blamed for my own assault and I was the one who had to drop out of high school, move cities and have my college prospects withdrawn. He didn't have to do anything. I've worked really hard to reclaim my life but I still feel like I'm "behind" so many of my friends and peers. When the Depp/Heard thing started, I immediately recognized how, fifteen years later, society was failing Heard in the same way society had failed me. It's so frustrating how little progress we actually make.

[@Ruledbyafurryoverlord]

I am so sorry that this happened to you. I hope that you now safe, are doing ok now. Best wishes to you.

[@thewolf9851]

Yeah, because heard was abusive in this relationship as well as her previous ones. She deserves no support

[@sonorasgirl]

I had to stop talking to my sister during this, cause as a survivor myself, I recognized the “not perfect victim” stuff and the reasons I never reported it reflected in her response. I love her, but I’m not gonna just be retraumatized by listening to her talk about how cool Depp is and how nuts Heard was.

[@sarahmcdonald6980]

❤❤❤ I get it

[@Barlettish]

Since Depp' abusive and erratic behavior is undeniable, the biggest defense Depp fans can make is that it was a 'mutual abuse' situation. But even then, how do you justify Heard's public figure and career being completely anhilated while Depp's continued unscathed? For the supposed same crimes, both got different consequences. Heard became unhirable and blacklisted, whilst Depp got a universal pardon from media and public alike. Women can wrong as much as men. And that still doesn't change how easily the public crucified the woman and forgave the man.

[@NotUrBot]

No need to turn it into a gender thing, and yes, this is coming from a woman who isn't a Johnny Depp fan( his movies are too weird for me) and a survivor of extreme dv. However, when a woman says' go ahead, go out in the world and say, i , johnyy depp, a man is a victim of domestic violence and see who believes you' and ' i didnt punch you babe, i hit you, you're such a baby' , she no longer gets to play the battered victim card anymore. Marriages are complictaed. No one is all black or all white. I noticed how Johnny, being an actor and good at making people feel things, riled her up, even in the court. He isnt blameless, she isnt blameless, but he is a victim of domestic abuse. Thr have been many other cases where men were accused( Chris Brown , Charlie Sheen, Steven seagal, Mel Gibson)and convicted. they didnt get a royal pardon cuz they were men. Amber had also commited dv against her ex gf. The woman was troubled and a liar and brought the public wrath on herself.

[@jimmybeanchugger1832]

Bro wtf are u talkin about? Unscathed? Dude lost work for 5 years. Disney was the biggest thing dude had. He went unscathed? This disingenuous framing is pathetic. Cope

[@majtravien4381]

​@@NotUrBot Many of the things you've brought up in this comment are misrepresented, including the "i, johnny depp" audio, which was mistranscribed and distributed with it. amber's ex gf herself denied dv in their relationship and both of them were concerned that amber's arrest had undertones of bi/queerphobia from the cop who arrested her bc according to their accounts, he wasn't going to arrest her until he found out that they were partners. moreover, depp wasn't convicted because it wasn't a criminal trial nor did amber ever press charges against him, she didn't instigate any of their legal battles (unless you count her getting a restraining order once in 2016, which was granted and which depp didn't contest as far as i'm aware), *he* did

[@Bobbin_Hoode]

I'm 100% with you and part of the problem is that people honestly don't even know how much misogyny they carry inside of them. A woman and a man could do the same thing and be treated the same way for the same reasons and it'll be 'she didn't get enough punishment' or 'he should be getting less punishment' But I don't think americans in particular (although abssolutely not exclusively) are ready for the conversation about how their misogyny might even be worse than their racism.

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

​@HumanOobleck it is a "gender thing" and framing it as anything else is at the very least questionable.

[@RanaAhmed-n8k]

after the johnny depp case i read news of all these known Hollywood stars like brad pitt and kanye west wanting to hire the same lawyers that johnny depp used in their cases against their ex partners and it made me really think of how (especially brad pitt) these type of men will never be held accountable for their clear terrible actions bc birds of a feather flock together and an attack on one of them is an attack on all of them (like with the meg the stallion case as well ), truly there is strength in number .

[@angellover02171]

None of Brad's kids talk to him. Jolie is also sueing the FBI because their descion to close the case.

[@mariedit9935]

I heard that actor and director Justin Baldoni wanted to hire a lawyer that defended Depp on the defamation case which I found interesting. Since he made a whole movie about domestic violence against women.

[@lilyprettylamb]

Can anyone put a source? I can’t find shit on the internet nowadays.

[@angellover02171]

@lilyprettylamb Brad Pitt choked and hit his children, Angelina Jolie says in a court filing . This is a npr title. KZbin like to delete links

[@hazelsingh3887]

Love that you linked Medusone’s video. Feels like it should be required watching for everyone who wants to comment on the trial.

[@RhiaCapri]

Fucking thank you, and thank you for admitting you originally had it wrong. Thank you for using your platform to clear this up because it really helps victims/survivors that watched all of this happen in real time and how painful it was.

[@missmisko429]

I believed her when she initially made the allegations, then I believed Johnny during the trial. Questioning why I changed up over time, I realized I fell for good PR and was dumb for doing so. I feel foolish for ever defending him and I'm so sorry to Amber and all the survivors who rightfully saw this trial for what it was. It should have been a major red flag to me at the time that I was agreeing with alt-right and manosphere figures. Hindsight is 20/20.

[@trashhuman3977]

Yeah, same. I'm ashamed to admit that I was on Johnny's side during the trial. Makes me realize I'm not immune to propaganda

[@ChristoferKelly]

@@trashhuman3977 None of us are immune to it. But then the question-for me, at least-becomes how one can be so ready to trust that feeling of certainty now that convinces us of Johnny's guilt over Amber's, given that it was so easy to trust that same feeling of certainty back then that had convinced us of Amber's guilt over Johnny ? No new evidence has been put forward, and every single comment under this video is much of the same subjective rationalisation that people were doing back then but for the other side. So it's hard to see what's changing people's minds other than whatever latest opinion pieces they've read or watched that provoked the strongest "gut" reaction. I would have really liked this video to actually go through the specifics of what changed this dude's mind, rather than just giving a general outlook on society's scapegoating of women. Unfortunately-or, maybe, fortunately, I don't know-I seem to have been born without the ability to "feel" things with my "gut," so the path people take to arrive at their conclusions often seems really blurry to me.

[@nicolasnamed]

@@ChristoferKelly Yeah I just ultimately decided this shit was too messy to ever get a clear picture and it seems like Johnny and Amber are both incredibly dysfunctional people and Johnny's abuse had a systemic leg up due to him being a man. I can separate the art from artist for his acting, but it's a shame cause he has been one of my favorite actors and POTC (the first 3) are my favorite movies

[@Bobbin_Hoode]

@@nicolasnamed I''m with you except for separating the art from the artist. I can only do that when they are dead, or I simply acknowledge I'm contributing to the problem (when I rewatch buffy on DVDs I've owned for years so not really but I'm still aware. Things are still tainted).

[@nicolasnamed]

@MCCreativeCrafting That's totally fair, tbh I can only seperate the art from artist because the stuff I love his acting in (PotC and Rango are my favorite movies) because those are very clearly characters. Like yeah they wouldn't be brought to life as they are without Depp, but at the same time I'm a writer so I can conceptualize the characters I love fully as such and it's not a huge deal that the person who made them or acted as them is shitty. Because what I love is the the art, and movies at least are a project of collaboration even when you have a big star who's a shitty person as part of it. Plus I hate Disney (the company) anyway so I don't tend to directly give them money anyway. 'Seperate art from artist' at least imo is an extremely subjective experience and what's comfortable to one person may not be to another, and same goes for 'death of the author' as far as if a work can still be beloved despite a problematic creator. I think it sort depends on the intention of the work, and how much of the author's beliefs are distinguishable from it.

[@grn57]

ur absolutely right that this case really spoke to a lot of women and victims, as someone who wasn’t believed when i spoke out about my sa it makes me hopeful to see more people talking about this

[@tugger]

save your sympathy for real victims like evan rachel wood

[@theanimerapper6351]

From what I saw majority of women related to Depp. Go back to any video made around the time of the trial and nearly every woman was telling stories that related to what Johnny went through

[@inefffable]

​@@tuggersympathy isn't something you spend and run out of so you need to divvy it up accordingly. Don't let the boards turn you into a weirdo

[@1Seanmb]

@@inefffable He's already a weirdo. If you mistake sympathy for currency you never had any sympathy to begin with.

[@ongakira]

@@theanimerapper6351 women liking a celebrity after he hired multiple people to defame his opponent means nothing

[@nanabeebel-hz3xx]

Thank you ❤️❤️ it means a lot hearing you talking about this

[@davespriter]

this video was out just long enough for people to watch it by the time i refreshed to read comments and the crazies already in here. stop going to bat for johnny depp. he doesn’t know you. he doesn’t care about you. he doesn’t need you to defend him. he is not important to your life and you are not important to his. spend your time doing something important. love yourself.

[@ryss335]

It's the parasocial relationship, it's sad to see they going to depths of hell just to defend someone who doesn't even know them and care bout them or even worse would do the same TO them in a more extreme situations

[@mari98_]

wildness fr, everything they’re spamming is obviously addressed and debunked in the video. Anytime someone mentions the case the go rapid, no nuance just sensationalism

[@baydiac]

3:37 ​@@mari98_ He just said there that he doesn't provide any evidence so idk what you mean? But anyway this case is a lot like some other incidents that hit the internet, where the tide of public opinion changes from going all-in on "X person bad, Y person victim" to "Y person bad, X person victim, and you were all sheeple for ever believing otherwise!" I am not surprised that particular climate we've set up isn't the most conducive to productive (nor honest) conversations. To be clear mutual abuse isn't real. Abuse demands a power dynamic by default, so I'm not about to say "they abused each other", I find that to be an unhelpful cop-out. But watching all the evidence drop in a court of law and how that splashed all over pop culture only to then turn around and hear "forget you saw any of that, the recordings aren't real, MIB memory wipe pen go!" is going to be very surreal for most of the internet. It is impossible to have this (very important) conversation in good faith while arguing to the effect of "Nuh uh! Because I said so!"

[@pamelapeters3342]

@davespriter Because the people who disagree were the ones who actually watched the trial and saw the evidence and the testimony. FD is literally saying he didn't watch the trial, doesn’t know what happened, isn't really interested, hated Amber for no actual reason, assumed that Depp was the abuser because he's a rich white guy and did a whole 30 minute video on why Amber is the victim. This video is bullshit and the only one who's suffering from delusions is you for believeling everything FD said based on an informed video.

[@chrischika7026]

dumbest thing I ever heard, to ignore criticism

[@KM10HM12]

It’s what Amber said, “look what happened to me for speaking? “ Amber defended her self and even retaliated as much as she can during the abuse and because of that it makes her a “not perfect victim”. And in a misogynistic society her actions get to be rewritten to fit in a way that liberates the abuser aka J.Depp. And it’s heartbreaking and traumatic to witness let alone go through. She got balls.

[@boogie1434]

Also Amber: "Tell the world, Johnny, tell them, Johnny Depp, I, Johnny Depp, a man, I'm a victim too of domestic violence... see how many people believe or side with you." You conveniently leave that out of your little narrative in the "misogynistic" society how every corporation preemptively cancelled Johnny over allegations, cops are trained to arrest the man and presumes them to be the abusers, never the victims and we even drill it into young boys brains never to hit a girl yet there's no equivalent teaching for girls...

[@vaderladyl]

but he wasn't the abuser though

[@Fezaki]

The way you pronounced tana mongeau was crazy

[@lilyprettylamb]

I thought I had a damn stroke😭😭😭

[@begonia22]

The thing is everyone should care about what happened to Amber Heard, because it set precedent for alleged abusers to sue their victims for defamation. This case has had widespread consquences for all victims of abuse and not just in the USA.

[@Jess1013]

I was so heartbroken by this trial. I remember that Princess Weekes was the only youtuber that I saw speaking up for Amber after the trial. I’ll edit my comment with the video title and date if I can find it. Edit: Princess Weekes’ video is “True Crime & The Theatre of Safety” posted May 11, 2022

[@nootdraws]

[12:39] I saw F.D Signifier explode a man with just his mind back in ‘08, why is no one reporting on this?

[@NoFirstNoLastName]

The two things I remember about this case were: 1. That white lady who had dreads claiming to read Amber and basically fed into the “body language” crap of the time. 2. All of my students wanting to watch the case as it went on and I told them no. It made me so sad.

[@thewolf9851]

Why did it make you sad?

[@deadlymelody27]

As someone as a victim of abuse who was occasionally set up to retaliate and then told i was crazy for outbursts by onlookers, or told we were both as bad as each other etc... and he also used it to make himself the victim and would say to me "i am in an abusive relationship but i stay with you because i love you" basically telling me that's what i should be doing... Yeah i found the discourse around this trial so so hard. Im so glad to see so many people now realising the imperfect victim is a thing. Especially as my ex was also a drunk but also very smart with his abuse.

[@TheEverGrowingRosey-333]

I believe you. I'm glad you escaped. Thank you for believing Amber.

[@quitti]

I tried to say things in defense of Amber - I'm also not a fan of hers either - elon keeps victimising her as well, posting private photos of her online. I saw a lot of myself in Amber .i also wasn't the "perfect victim". I tried speaking up but got attacked by strangers and people i knew. And i shouldn't have to share my abuse online to explain why i support a famous woman. I'd end up deleting tiktoks, having to block people harassing me. I also remember hearing the stories of "bad boy" johnny depp as a kid. Trashing hotel rooms, attacking photographers, dating extremely young women. I thought he was so cool, cos the media made him sound cool. As an adult, i know it wasn't cool. I'd also like to mention that the harassment campaign against her also affected how she was treated by costars, apparently Jason Mamoa was awful to her on the Aquaman sequel. People laugh at that. Jason Mamoa is now on my garbage celeb list. JD has received very little pushback aside from losing roles, which he deserved to lose, although, getting booted off a terf wizard movie wasnt the worst thing for him. But the guilt i felt from my past abuse and never feeling like i was a "perfect victim" and seeing that in the attacks Amber Heard faced and not being a vocal advocate for her still weirdly haunts me. I always try to pushback against the Amber backlash now , but my abuse history still pulls at me Thank you for the well thought out video

[@me-bs2rp]

Amber Heard also got rubbished in Elon Musk book when she was clearly having a PTSD panic attack when her passport went missing. You don't have panick attacks like that unless you were abused previously

[@cmystery4180]

yup! he has posted private photos of her online constantly, he has stalked her (recently it was found out that he had bugged her car). it really sucks for her. also they dated for literally a year which idk, i don't think is a long time and i feel many of us has dated a shitty person (and it was in 2017/2018 before he went super off the deep end, yeah he's always been terrible but now its more well known). i'm not a huge fan of hers but i also dont hold the elon thing against her (unlike grimes, she didn't have numerous kids with him). i also just know how vulnerable one is after being in an abusive relationship, i found myself falling for things i wouldn't have before if i wasn't traumatized.

[@BadgerCommander]

A friend of mine was repeatedly abused by a boyfriend of hers. She spent a long time hating herself and thinking she deserved it. They eventually, thankfully, broke up. About a year later she saw him at a park and he saw and just went 'hi' like nothing had happened. She was a bit drunk and went up to him and started hitting him and screaming. A few people in our friend group pointed to this as a 'both sides' argument and it really threw me. I didn't think she should have started hitting him, but I absolutely understood why she did. It was a moment of catharsis. So, when people point to Heard hitting Depp, breaking down and crying and screaming at him - when we have physical evidence of what he did... I see my friend's reaction

[@kingkarlito]

ignore reality, judge people via vibes, ignore negative outcomes, gaslight girlboss each other in comments, repeat. does misery love company?

[@kingkarlito]

@@BadgerCommander sudden intoxicant fueled cathartic violence is the story book trope of the abuser. but you see your friend in her so we can ignore those obvious flashing warning signs. let's ignore "She spent a long time hating herself and thinking she deserved it." push the guilt away, ignore the glaring issue. everyone cradle that guilt. pass it around, can't have anyone get ahead cause she isn't miserable carrying the guilt we told her to feel. "I didn't think she should have started hitting him, but I absolutely understood why she did." "So, when people point to Heard hitting Depp, breaking down and crying and screaming at him - (only physical evidence shown was from heard to depp, medical records, pictures, etc, unless you count poorly photoshopping a single image into many different images)... I see my friend's reaction" seek help so at least you can learn to help your friends better, if you ever get selected to serve on a jury send them this. you should not be so prepared to justify hurting people. how many tears till you get to kill them?

[@juuuu0]

omg thank you so much for shouting out Medusone!! Her channel is so underrated and she has so many great video essays!! I learned so much about the whole Amber Heard situation from her channel.

[@emmy8961]

Yesss!!! She has the best takes on everything and such high quality content!

[@advisorywarning]

Yes she’s amazing and I learned so much detail that was left out of the trial. I always felt that they were both just toxic, but once I learned how clear cut the truth of the abuse was, I felt SO awful for amber. even if I personally don’t like her, NOBODY deserves the abuse she took from Johnny and then from basically the entire world:( the whole trial was a sham and the verdict should be overturned if there was any actual justice in this world

[@plasticjesus444]

i was always on amber’s side but Medusone’s videos really opened my eyes as to how horrible things were for her and how twisted everything got during the trial. very underrated channel, she has some great videos

[@vaderladyl]

@@advisorywarning she is the abuser though. Medusone is just another AH apologiser.

[@cococonlin170]

In 1986, Johnny Depp appeared in "Platoon" and Amber Heard was born.

[@helloyou6192]

When he got the Wynonna forever tattoo she was in kindergarten

[@DarriasDarnell]

…who cares, seriously.

[@helloyou6192]

@@DarriasDarnell amber said the first time he hit her was when she asked about his wino forever tattoo which was originally wynonn forever.

[@myword1000]

​@helloyou6192 yeah, Amber told a lot of lies.

[@helloyou6192]

@@myword1000 she lied about his tattoo?

[@LecheVitrineUK]

Thank you for making this video.

[@ewinternetvideos]

I followed this case very closely while it was happening. At first, i was suspicious of Heard, but that was the narrative. Then, Depps text messages came out and it was so obvious to me that he had abused her. The most horrifying part was the amount of WOMEN who were obsessing over this case, watching it religiously, and still completely believing Depp. Gen X women, who grew up with pictures of Johnny Depp on their walls, came out in droves to villify a women who suffered heinous abuse. They also saw those text messages and they simply didnt care. People like Emily D Baker, a former attorney who made so much money following this case, fostered the flames. It was true cognitive dissonance. It doesn't matter what horrific things came out, it only emboldened grown ass women to want to tear Amber apart.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

It costs them nothing to side with the powerful over the powerless, that’s not news sadly.

[@KaylaMarieQ]

@@ewinternetvideos the text messages dont prove that he was physically abusive to her especially when there was audio of her abusing him

[@22dolxxxphin22]

Edited audio ​@@KaylaMarieQ

[@KaylaMarieQ]

@@22dolxxxphin22 source?

[@louisachalarca6494]

Same

[@marylander3798]

I engaged very little with this trial, from what I did see it was basically impossible where the truth lies. I believed he abused her and she reacted to the abuse like you said, they were in a extremely toxic relationship. The fact that he sued her for mentioning her abuse sounded like retaliation. I had to tap out of that story because the fans were completely insane.

[@ylvali]

Why would he suit her if he had abused her? What could he possibly gain if he really had abused her? It makes no sense, court is the worst place for someone who really did the crime. Think of Diddy, how fast did he pay off Cassie when she took him to court for abuse? Paid her same day.

[@vaderladyl]

he didn't do it

[@Kalitayy]

For a man to be guilty, he has to have never done a single thing right. For a woman to be believed, she has to have never done a single thing wrong. I used to support Depp until I realized I was wrong. Now I find it really hard to believe men when it comes to cases like this.

[@Afronautsays]

Your first statement is one of the most ridiculous things I've read all year. Women like you are as exhausting as the anti-wokes, touch grass.

[@markstriker925]

"hard to believe men". This is the same energy as I won't believe woman after one woman makes false allegations.

[@Kalitayy]

@@Afronautsays Just by reading my comment got you exhausted? Man, I got exhausted after doing 20 push ups and I thought I was weak 😢

[@BrunoHenrique-wz9tr]

You sound unhinged

[@patzeek8082]

⁠@@AfronautsaysThe first statement is describing general perception. And while it might not be based on a study or anything, yeah, it does feel like we men have the upper hand in most abuse cases.

[@moscanaveia]

Here's my take, before watching the video: It's because the trial was broadcast live on the interwebs

[@BrillianceProper]

THANK YOU!!! Been waiting for someone to say what needed to be said about this subject. It's not about liking Amber, people weren't even thinking and wanted to hate her.

[@JamsandTea]

Really cool that you stepped up to the plate on this one. I know engaging in internet drama of any kind online can be a minefield, so I really appreciate the clarification for that little joke. I won’t lie, I’ve seen a lot of KZbinrs I watch regurgitate the talking points of this case and it definitely made me feel a type of way seeing Heard in that picture, but I figured the context of the joke explained itself adequately and I was just a little reactionary. People I loved and trusted got into all this and frankly it’s nice to have a voice of reason parse through all this just to try and dispel the nonsense.

[@horsepuncher95]

I was low-key scared you were Depp sympathiser because of that edit and decided not to think about it all this time, love your work always

[@hillevirydberg2631]

I really like how you described this case as a wound in many women, i feel that.

[@vaderladyl]

not me, I am a victim of DV and don't believe in that woman.