How different would the Cleveland Browns season be if Jameis Winston was the day one starter?

[@jwil2414]

Winston will test free agency if they don't resign him before he is a free agent. They will lose him if he becomes a free agent. The Giants are one of the teams that wanted Winston and offered him a starting position. Winston's father, who has influence on Winston, liked the Browns roster better.

[@jwil2414]

Winston is tied with Brock Purdy for 5th in QBR in the league. Even if tbe Browns wanted to resign him right now, Winston wouldn't do it. Browns really don't have any control over the situation.

[@TroyStevens430]

Re-sign Winston, bolster the O line, get another stud RB to help Chubb... and let's go. 💪

[@stevenroyer8731]

That's a very difficult thing to do lol.

[@UniversoulSMOOV999]

Draft Jeantry if possible 😮‍💨

[@jwil2414]

Winston had 3 other teams interested in him. He took less to go Browns because he like the roster. Giants offer him more guaranteed money.

[@AmonRa216]

They probably be 7-4 6-5

[@calvertwilliamson4721]

You guys over looks the talent factor. Jameis does not have Amari Cooper. You could be leading the division if you had started Jameis. Your start Jameis ten steps behind everyone else.

[@AmonRa216]

@@calvertwilliamson4721 I would bring him back another year with a veteran

[@randyschlupp4405]

@@calvertwilliamson4721 I'm down with Winston next year as long as they draft best available player with the 1st pick and not a QB

[@stevenroyer8731]

Will y'all just actually look at Jamis numbers since the 30/30 season. It hasn't been bad since that year. It's a label that's followed him. His numbers are good, spread out as a backup for years but good

[@jwil2414]

Winston threw 30picks and still led an offense that outscored Kurt Cousins teams. 28.6ppg while throwing 30int is hard to do. They were averaging over 31ppg before Evans and Godwin got hurt and their seaso.

[@nflnmichael]

hes not nearly as good as kirk, but he is way better than deshaun for sure. bring him back

[@stevenroyer8731]

They need to look at all of his numbers since that season

[@japhethmeadows7982]

People dont realize that before they went down he was 30 / 24 which is pretty much the standard for year 1 QBs under Arians ( see Carson Palmer ).. Evans and Godwin go down he finishes with 3 and 6 because he literally had no one else. He got Breshad Perriman paid though and I am not sure if he is even in the NFL anymore.

[@tomdevine7395]

This shouldn’t even be a debate, Watson’s days as a starting QB - at least for the Browns - are over. Jameis Winston is a very good QB who has his best years ahead of him not behind him. If JW had been the starter since game one - with Amari Cooper - you can add at least 3 W’s to the column. BTW, also assume that Stefanski isn’t the play caller and who knows what would have happened. I think we all saw the consequences of Stefanski’s play calling, questionable offense strategy and declined clock/team management due to his focus on play calling (especially with a bad QB in DW). I think the problem we might be seeing is that JW and Stefanski are very different people and I’m not sure that Stefanski knows what to do with JW or how to handle his personality. To use a religion analogy, JW is like a Southern Baptist preacher, full of fire and brimstone. He also sees heaven and has a close relationship with Jesus. That’s great, we could use that. You could imagine him touching people and yelling, “you are saved”! Stefanski is a Catholic. Rote prayers and readings, same ones forever. It’s “stand-up, sit down, kneel, stand up, sit down, kneel,” and make sure you put something in the basket. Nobody comes late, nobody leaves early. Maybe, just maybe, the crowd gets a bit of guitar with the choir, that’s about the excitement level you’re going to get. Personally, I think JW is great for the Browns organization and the area. The question is, do you turn over your coaching staff to “get some more religion” in it (so to speak) so that you can have personalities align or do you find a QB who “fits in” better with the management team you have? BTW, my guess is that JW’s “glow” is not appreciated by all of the players either. Some just like it real and JW is special.

[@JasonInTampa]

Remember the Saints had 4 years to sign Jameis and chose not to. They signed Derek Carr $150M and hes nowhere clear to playing on the level Jameis, so they could have had a better QB for MUCH cheaper.

[@KJ-uy1sd]

Dennis Allen really single handedly wrecked the saints lol

[@jwil2414]

That coach that went with Carr over Winston drafted Carr and got fired this year. Sean Payton tried to comeback after a year later.

[@IchigoKurosakitheSalvation]

Saints also have Taysom Hill. I won't like he's a star but given the opportunity, I think he can put in the work

[@LDee94]

@@IchigoKurosakitheSalvationsaints tried that before he can’t throw

[@nflnmichael]

i love jameis clear upgrade from deshaun. but carr has a much higher passer rating and a better completion percentage AND td to turnover ratio than jameis. Carr is statistically better. but jameis is cool with me

[@yardofwar]

Winston 🔁 Mayfield They basically swapped the teams that drafted them. And both are thriving.

[@anthonypa8045]

I'd say baker is a top 10 qb and jameis might be a top 18 qb. Both are very good and better than deshaun

[@calvertwilliamson4721]

If the Browns do not see Jameis as a long or short term quarterback, it is not because of his play.

[@nflnmichael]

elaborate

[@calvertwilliamson4721]

@ Jameis walked onto the field with a bunch of c and d first round players. The team beat the Ravens. Lost to the Chargers which I think was Jameis’ fault. They lost to the Saints, but that was solely on a defense that could not stop three gadget play from being touchdowns. The quarterback play was elite in the game against the Saints. The Browns’ receivers are better because of Jameis’ movement in the pocket that allows him to throw at angles to get the receiver open. The offensive line is better because of Jameis’ movement in pocket. The movement and getting rid of the ball quickly is the reason that the offensive line looks so much better. Deshaun was scared behind that line. Myles Garrett is a beast when he wants to be. Next, Jameis leads the Browns to beat the Steelers in inclement weather, weather that a Steelers’ player said they could not win in. He has to continue with elite play, but he has beat some of the best teams in the league by making the players better with his play. Now the talking heads are making all kinds of excuses like Tomlin made a bad decision, the Ravens have a weak defense, yet they beat the Chargers. It is not because of his play. It is not a situation whereas Odell Beckum is open for first downs and touchdowns and Jameis cannot get the ball to him. If you give Jameis better talent and Jameis takes the smart play and not the forced play, the Browns will be in the Super Bowl.

[@johnholland448]

Amari Cooper is likely still a Brown; if Winston was the day 1 starter 🤷‍♂️

[@richardfratus7726]

Never saw any leadership when Watson played. Sitting by himself sitting on the bench? Saw it too often.

[@nflnmichael]

agree

[@philstrouble2284]

Right now we would be 7-5

[@yardofwar]

7-4 at this point

[@markjoslin9912]

Look at how fast Flacco was picked up. Winston will be picked up quickly. Keep him.

[@trippeddownthestairs8238]

If the Browns run this same exact product back next year, and Deshaun Watson is any part of the plan, then I am D-O-N-E done with this team.

[@nflnmichael]

me too, cant watch that piece of garbage for a 4th year trying to "knock off rust"

[@tracymitchell7471]

I will say goodbye now because if he is healthy he is the starter

[@nflnmichael]

@@tracymitchell7471 not after how bad he has played. he is dead last in nfl in qbr this year

[@someperson8151]

Jameis is a confident QB and his cadence at the line won't cause a lot of pre snap penalties. Watson looked like deer in headlights and his cadence was probably weak af. Caused a lot of pre snap penalties from bad cadence.

[@richardfratus7726]

Bull and Jay dominate the talk. I want to hear more from G and Jason.

[@dreadbull5039]

I love how mad G gets when people don’t agree with him 😂😂😂

[@nflnmichael]

you would at least have 2 more wins with Jameis, really the only team that whooped us was the cowboys week 1.

[@randyschlupp4405]

Other players probably gonna want out if Twatson comes back to this team next year

[@RobertBoydston-l5z]

The Players Like Watson.

[@nflnmichael]

for real they all knew deshaun did not give them the best chance to win

[@fsimons6]

The difference will always be the ability of the offensive line to control the line of scrimmage.

[@ANtA585]

If they don't cut Watson, he'll be competing for the job. It's easy to say he won't play when you aren't on the hook for the contract.

[@CalebD3232]

It's not even the same receivers because1 watson had amari Cooper and Winston doesnt

[@nickkerrsonofstevekerr8175]

Fax

[@nickkerrsonofstevekerr8175]

Plus Watson Salery coulda gone to WR1 and 2. Imagine if THey didnt get Watson and got Jameis instead with that 250 mil left. Facts

[@RobertBoydston-l5z]

Cooper is not that good

[@nickkerrsonofstevekerr8175]

@@RobertBoydston-l5z Winston gives all WR premium contract since Mike Evan and Godwin days. Coopa would look like Kelce with Winston. Tillman is fulfilling that roll right now.

[@FeloniouzMonk]

Not to mention the O line is vastly more healthy and Ford is not the feature back. The topic and the support it got is just goofy.

[@chrisc3118]

Historically, Winston wins only 40% of the games he starts so the Browns would be around 4-7 or possibly 5-6 at this point.

[@lifecenterinternationalAyrsley]

Guys stop being so narrowminded. Jameis Winston on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers was in an offense that was changing philosophy every other year with this new head coach, and they never gave him a substantial running game to support all of the passing that they wanted him to do so he primarily played one dimensional everyone knew he was going to pass. When Tom Brady got there, they solidified the offensive line. They gave him two reasonable running backs, and they gave him the opportunity to relax the office a little bit and not be so strenuous and risky that was because Brady had several championships. James came in under 20 years old, and never got proper guidance simply thrown to the wolves. Please look at the whole picture and not your own opinionated view of a player who has been excellent on every level, but badly managed in the NFL.

[@OhioBaller11]

People are so worried about the cap! The Browns currently have the 2nd most cap space of any team. Any unused cap space gets rolled over into 2025 plus any salary cap increases. This also doesn't account for any restructured contracts that will add more cap space. Also most of the Browns core players are under contract for years. So why all the worry!

[@christopherwall444]

Love Winston..unfortunately the one game I went to..Chargers...he was unfortunately not good...but he sure does get the players and fans revved! .. we have cornered the market on backups coming in and rallying the team and the town...

[@larryambrose2660]

I think they would be 6-5.

[@larryambrose2660]

They need to remember most of the starting O line is back and Cooper is gone. Cooper's play was hurting the Browns before they traded him. I was not happy with the trade for Cooper in the beginning because of a couple of articles I read and I thought there must be a problem or else Dallas would have kept him.

[@bryanbowers9750]

Bull is right. The offense just feels better without Watson regardless of what the numbers say.

[@anthonypa8045]

Facts. But for the record the numbers definitely say that brissett flacco and jameis are way better than deshaun too 😂

[@bryanbowers9750]

@ 100 percent

[@David-e7z3q]

Watson was afraid to throw deep

[@nflnmichael]

agree and he couldnt read a defense or figure out where blitz was coming from pre snap

[@trippeddownthestairs8238]

Kevin Stefanski is finishing his 5th season as the Browns head coach, and he has had 10 different QBs start games for him! I have never been a fan of Kevin Stefanski, but there isn't a coach alive who can have any degree of success with that kind of volatility at the most important position on the team! If the Browns are bringing Kevin Stefanski back (which I personally wouldn't do), then the first priority MUST BE to stabilize the QB position. Period. With that said, with Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski entering next season on the hot seat, would you be willing to risk their jobs on Jameis Winston? For me, I think that they should look around and see what other options would be available first. And if some team offers Jameis Winston an absurd contract out of desperation, then let him go. He has had a nice stretch of games, but it's not like he isn't replaceable.

[@James-e3m4x]

Mahomes always makes the right plays to win games.

[@hitgriffey]

Jason is a liar! 😂 no one is saying “it’s not gonna go well” to a reporter. Especially a clown reporter like him that loves to put out more bad news than good.

[@calvertwilliamson4721]

Bull's and Jason's hate is real!

[@bobbyanthony3585]

I like drew allar, can possibly trade back up in the first round or get him early second round. Id say take the best player thats falls whereever we pick with our 1st, preferably edge rusher or Hunter if we pick top 10

[@James-e3m4x]

I’m not a Winston fan I think he’s goofy but he just beat Pittsburgh and Baltimore the leaders in are conference, I think they should try to keep him for a couple years.

[@wwz1011]

They need to sign him to a two year deal, $60million over 2 years, $40 million guaranteed. If you wait until the season is over, price goes UP. Long term deal? No. Two year deal, yes. The reason to sign him now it keeps the cost down. I would also sign Mac Jones to a small deal.

[@nflnmichael]

lets wait and make sure. no need to rush and pay 60 million. wait 6 weeks and evaluate, he is clearly better than deshaun though

[@mikepuncsak7297]

Great Hoodie Jay...I gotta get one

[@FeloniouzMonk]

So with no Chubb, those practice squad OTs, Cooper dropping everything, and Kevin calling plays? The comparison is just dumb and we are all less intelligent for listening to it.

[@randyschlupp4405]

No one takes jays opinions at all on that set you can tell they don't

[@misterjiggles5041]

Bruh, what the heck was Crawford talking about.

[@bryanbowers9750]

Yeah it didn’t really dawn on me than Winston wouldn’t return but he probably is treating this season as an audition. He’ll be gone.

[@randyschlupp4405]

Draft the best available player in the 1st round- then draft the Ohio kid Drew Allar from Penn State in the 2nd or 3rd round

[@mikediao15]

The O-line is healthy now. The team was dropping the balls and penalties were killing plus the new OC.

[@anthonypa8045]

Same offense, same OC. We are 2-2 since we benched that bum deshaun. Can't believe deshaun was 1-6 and had the lowest qBr in the nfl

[@mikediao15]

@ play caller change. The O-line is healthy now. These bums players play better when nothing is on the line. Penalties and drops were the reason they were 1-6. Chubb back and the O-line is finally back

[@anthonypa8045]

@@mikediao15 well nick chubb is only averaging 2.9 yards per carry since his return. Ford is averaging much more. So you wrong there. The reason we are winning now is because jameis actually puts up tds and yards. In 4 games he has had twice as many tds as deshaun has had in 7 games lol. Wake up.

[@Eric-pg4zs]

Sign him to 2 year 20 million dollars deal right now

[@dyates6380]

I'd say they'd have four wins but probably they'd have thirty five interceptions and seven lost fumbles. Not much different. Guys, guys ........ Thursday was ONE GAME. ONE. They have THREE wins. Can we please stop? If it wasn't for Mike Tomlin's terrible coaching decisions they'd still have two wins. Please .... stop.

[@IchigoKurosakitheSalvation]

I'm not saying it would make a difference but all I want to know is... Why did we hire Ken Dorsey? He was supposed to "fix" Watson. Why didn't that happen? Maybe, just maybe, things could've been different. It's clear as day that Stefanski wasn't going to get it done. So... Why not just turn things over to the guy you brought in to "allegedly" help Watson? Why wait till AFTER Watson is hurt to give Ken Dorsey a chance?

[@nflnmichael]

there is no helping deshaun. he is just bad at football. 3 years of being the worst nfl qb is enough for me

[@TheTremayne8]

Kirk cousins has not had a much better career than Jameis. The delusion around Jameis is insane. Baker threw 22 ints with less yards but he said he would choose Baker smh

[@harbingerx1412]

Ya’ll keep bringing up Watson having Amari when he was already mentally checked out. He was leading the lead in drops before he got traded. I’m not saying Winston hasn’t been playing better but Amari was terrible this year

[@anthonypa8045]

Wouldn't have mattered, deshaun didn't throw the ball more than 5 yards down field. Deshaun was terrible in so my ways. He still has the lowest qBR this year at 22.4 😂 even Bryce Young ranks higher

[@brownsfan-gg7gy]

Honestly I say probably same because it wasn't like it was just Watson has problem we had no line are coach didn't know how to call plays that made sense no chubb receivers where dropping balls all over the defense was getting torched Honestly still haven't got 3rd down figured out and I found out Winston numbers are bad in red zone

[@randyschlupp4405]

Bulls not on the Winston bandwagon 😂😂😂

[@PhilBucur]

No Jay, it’s still an elite qb league. You can’t use the eagles as an example, when we’re not even in the playoffs yet, what an awful example. Mahomes led a game winning drive in the superbowl, something guys like Baker still have yet to show

[@anthonypa8045]

Man baker looks great though. Last two years he is top 5 in yards, pass tds, completion percentage, and passer rating. Feels like he is just coming into his prime. Should've kept baker in cleveland. Worst trade in nfl history was the deshaun deal.

[@Eric-pg4zs]

Jay is clueles, the eagles have the best o line in football.

[@ben2942]

Bull with the BIG L on that one. Lock up Winston ASAP because atleast you can draft and be patient with the draft. If you lose him and we have to put Watson back out, you will need a dome to muffle the boos.

[@OhioBaller11]

Why doesn't Stefanski get any blame for not having the team and DW4 ready to play this season?! No blame being the 5th worst penalized NFL team?!

[@anthonypa8045]

You should feel bad for Kevin. He was forced to play the worst qb in the nfl, when everyone on the team and off the team knew deshaun was trash and did not give u the best shot to win. Kevin wins with every other qb. Deshaun was 1-6 he sucked for 3 years here

[@bryanbowers9750]

The Browns are going to make a play at Rodgers

[@KevinMacky]

They'd be 7-4 or 6-5

[@roderickwilson2819]

Factor the browns should be saving money with insurance money for Watson injury

[@anthonypa8045]

I think the contract that berry drew up was the horrible that deshaun gets every single dollar no matter what. Injury or not.

[@bowenpitts7624]

Yes Johnny manziel was a second rounder Lmaoo

[@Eric-pg4zs]

Watson will b on the team they can’t cut him, maybe he doesn’t play but he’s gonna b on the team.

[@anthonypa8045]

We hope he don't play. He's been statistically the worst qb in the nfl over the last 3 years. Lowest Qbr, lowest pff grade among starters.

[@faceme3000]

The hate is oozing out of Bull like Sh it Whiz 💩🧀 Sloopy is acting like there are not 5 teams out there that will not reach out to Winston... Here are 6 that are ready to go now Panthers, Giants, Raiders, Steelers, Titans, Jets, and Patriots, bonus team the Browns... So yeah, let's wait until the end of the season, and Winston closes out the season with at lease 3 more wins under his belt... He would finish the season at 500 and it's not like he can't go 4 and 2 over the next 6 games... Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Baltimore defenses are not all that great... You can pass on them, Miami and Denver doesn't scare me at al.... So yes, let's take Bull (the guy the knows the least) suggestion, and wait until the end of the season to say bye to Winston.... My fianl point is, they are all talking as if they are in the room with the Browns decision makers, especially the guy that sitting next to Bull Sh it 💩, How do they know if the Browns have not already approached Winston and attempted to sign him and Winston said lets wait until the end of the season, they are acting like the Browns are holding all the cards!!!

[@johnkp92]

they lost to the freakin' giants and raiders.. there's two wins right there..

[@christopherwall444]

Watchin Watson get sacked 7 times a game depressed the team and the town

[@anthonypa8045]

Yea that bum would scramble out of clean pockets and hung onto the ball way to long. Half the sacks were on watson

[@dreadbull5039]

Jay Crawford is exhausting

[@alexbrilakis5918]

Jay Crawford is a great speaker and knows how to use his words I enjoy him talking

[@dreadbull5039]

@ Nice of Jay’s mom to chime in. Thanks for the input

[@tracymitchell7471]

They would have the same record! The defense has been Trash!

[@anthonypa8045]

Jameis 2-2. Deshaun 1-6. Jameis actually produces tds and yards

[@tracymitchell7471]

@anthonypa8045 I am not defending Waston...but fans kill me only looking at the QB...Jameis is playing with a more complete O-line and better playcalling and RBs that are healthier. Not to mention a defensive that is playing better.

[@anthonypa8045]

@@tracymitchell7471 it's not 100% on deshaun. But I would say 75% is on him he was and still is statistically the worst qb in the nfl with a 22.4 qBr. So if u have the worst qb in the nfl, you naturally won't be that good. O line is still playing a third string LT no wills no dawand. Chubb only averaging 2.9 yards per carry. It's mostly the QB my guy

[@tracymitchell7471]

@anthonypa8045 Again not defending DW but playcalling was horrible under KS. Defensive was just bad. Statistics yes DW has been terrible but he was not dropping passes, not run blocking, not playing defensive, not covering kickoffs or punts. This team is hiding behind DW poor play when KS and the reat of the coaching stuff doesn't have them ready to play week in and week out! DW is about 20% of the issue in Cleveland 60% coaches and other 20% is the rest of the team!

[@Mb-cle]

Jay wrong again 🤷

[@darrellc6853]

Jameis wont get 10 mil per year

[@lifecenterinternationalAyrsley]

Let me say this loud and clear, regardless of whether you agree with me or not. Baker Mayfield is not close to being as good of a quarterback as Jameis Winston. You guys are losing your freaking mind. Baker Mayfield is a solid quarterback, but he do not have the same skill set as Jameis Winston. I’m gonna say what I’ve been thinking for the longest. If James wisdom was a white quarterback, most of these things you’re saying you would not say because you would give him reasonable doubt that’s what the NFL does it highly recycles it’s white quarterbacks gives them chances over and over again to take leading roles, and they quickly shuffle black quarterbacks to back up quarterbacks and out of the lead, that’s just a plain truth

[@garyscott4847]

The Buccaneers won a super bowl with Brad Johnson. Their defense won them the title. If you have an elite defense, all you need is an average game manager at quarterback that won't lose you games.

[@Whoodatdj]

Every team say thos crap lol.. we 3 an 8 dude they suck 🤷🏾‍♂️