How Disney's FROZEN Changed Pop Culture (ft. @Geekritique)

[@Geekritique]

Sooo… this was incredible! Thanks so much for having me be your little Rumpelstiltskin!

[@ModernMouse]

Welcome to the narrative where you are now some magical entity. Modern Mouse just keeps getting weirder.

[@icecreamhero2375]

I have a few nitpicks with this good video. 1) Wreck It Ralph came out first and had a twist villain 2) I dislike when people call Let it go a battle cry. It's a great song and I love it but its a song about running away from your problems.

[@ModernMouse]

For clarity, because I know I didn't say it in the video, but should have, Wreck It Ralph was a Jennifer Lee story and Frozen only solidified the twist villain as a trope that she had started with Ralph. As far as Let It Go, music and art is all subjective. I think many people saw it as a really powerful song. Personally, I don't see it as a song about running from your problems as she was finally embracing who she was. In context to the story being told on screen, she is running from her death so I get what you are saying there, but if you take the song out of the film and just listen to it, I think it becomes much more powerful. I think that's why the song drove people to the film more so than songs from other recent films as it can be taken out of context from the film and interpreted without the story. Just my thoughts.

[@shelbyswindall9192]

We knew King Candy was a villain though. The twist was that he was ANOTHER villain

[@shelbyswindall9192]

Relating to what you said about no Frozen in the parks or Disney stores, Elsa and Anna started meeting in the parks 2 months before the movie came out (in the shop in Norway, and before that preview meets at Hollywood studios). And there was already a ton of merch. Elsa dolls at my nearest store sold out in early Oct of 2013.

[@shelbyswindall9192]

The first wave of merch was dolls of Anna, Elsa, Kristoff and Hans, Sven and Olaf plushes, figurine sets, a finger puppet set, toddler dolls of Anna/Elsa (only in major retailers for the toddler dolls, no Disney store releases for those until a few months after the movie), costumes, accessories, and more

[@glazdarklee1683]

My best friend is a lesbian, who never felt that this movie contained a secret message just to her. We both agree that it is weird that people think it did, as if a message of not being forced into a role you do not want is someone not universal.

[@ModernMouse]

During the Hays Code era of film, there were tons of hints at things since so much was banned from what you could put into a film. Even though you can still say and do a lot more in movies these days, I think the habit of looking for those meanings still exists. It's a personal thing, and I don't hold it against anyone if they do see Elsa as lesbian coded. I personally didn't see it when I first saw the film, but there is no denying that it resonated with a large group of people in the LGBTQ+ space.

[@Nightman221k]

It definitely changed things. I feel like it’s a lot of good and some stuff that it changed that I miss. I’m glad that they branched out from simply doing just love stories when telling a story with a female lead (Mulan did so earlier, but Frozen was the one that truly changed the course). I didn’t like Disney trying desperately to dunk on themselves with the Anna/Kristoff dialogue though cause it feels like catering to the bad faith arguments about their earlier successes (how many of the princesses do we know got married after a single day of interaction? We just see that they do end up getting married not how long they courted or got to know each other. Falling in love takes time but it’s gotta start somewhere.) I feel like it definitely set the standard that Tangled had with making the dialogue less timeless or specific to where the story is set and when it’s set. I feel like the cast speak with such a modern flair in most new movies that it really could’ve been set anywhere even if it were modern day and it would sound the same.

[@ModernMouse]

I think a common trope in entertainment during the last decade or two is the meta-self-depricating humor. Disney did this with Enchanted as well. It's supposed to make the company seem self aware and in on the joke, but I don't think that type of humor has aged well. The MCU is big on that as well. I think people want genuine sincerity now, and I can confidently say that some of my favorite films of the past few years have been more sincere.

[@joeybaseball7352]

It's hard to see frozen as "changed pop culture." I don't see it as anything other than a successful IP. But its far from Disney's first successful IP. It's not even their first successful princess IP. Or even their first successful musical princess IP. It's not their first successful song. It's not their first, second, third, or forth Broadway musical. I will say frozen is unique in that it came he best selling toy doll. Outselling Barbie, Bratz, and Monster High. And Disney never had that feather in their cap before. But pretty much frozen did exactly what Disney set out for it to do, sell toys. A lot of toys. And frozen is easily one of their biggest sellers of toys. Right behind Cars.

[@isaiahvilla6691]

What about Other Non disney franchises like Transformers Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Sonic The Hedgehog or Even My Llitte Pony In terms of toys sells and pretty much how Popular they got ?

[@joeybaseball7352]

@@isaiahvilla6691 it all depends. In terms of frozen, I was talking about dolls specifically. Mone of those IPs you mentioned really sold dolls. MLP maybe. But I don't consider toy ponys to be dolls. I know they're all very successful toy lines. But in terms of action figures or playsets, I don't know the sales figures.

[@isaiahvilla6691]

@joeybaseball7352 That's fine I was just curious to see if you know about it

[@ProductionJournal]

Fantastic video!

[@ModernMouse]

Thanks for watching!

[@VactorVerse]

@Geekritique rules!

[@Geekritique]

I’m alright 😅

[@ModernMouse]

I agree. Dakota is awesome. We went on a movie date together. It was very romantic! His wife was there too.

[@davidfitzpatrick6535]

Josh it's Christmas! Why u being such a Grinchy Scrooge? Lol loved the video esp Joe's disappointed "ok bye" just like Anna's disappointment in Frozen. Have a merry Christmas and a Happy New year! Or Happy holidays if u don't celebrate Christmas.

[@ModernMouse]

You too! Joe's line of "...but I give warm hugs." makes me laugh every time. Thanks for watching and I hope Santa brings you an Olaf plush or something.

[@davidfitzpatrick6535]

@@ModernMouse Unfortunately Im a bit too old for Santa (29 in a couple weeks Arceus help me!) plus as Christian our family always celebrated the more Nativity side of things as the way my Mom views Santa (and she told this to the grandkids as well) is that "he's Jesus's helper for gifts and will tell him if u've been bad or good" but yes if I had the money I would absolutely buy myself a Olaf plush. Unfortunately a lot of the stores here in Canada wont sell disney stuff ever since Disney store became a thing which means I have to wait till the discount stores get the overstock which sometimes never happens due to popularity.

[@sirhillarybillary]

Idina menzel IS BROADWAY lol what do you mean kristin bells cast had some experience Idina menzels cast had SOME experience

[@ModernMouse]

You are correct in that Idina Menzel is THE Broadway Star of the early 21st century, but I wouldn't deny Josh Gad's success in Book of Mormon or Jonathan Groff in Spring Awakening. Santino Fontana is more well known for his stage work. Are they as big as Menzel, no, although I'd argue that Josh Gad has become a major star on stage since Frozen.

[@sirhillarybillary]

@@ModernMouse I am almost certain we are discussing slightly different things, but I am grateful for both the thought out response and the general content you make! Happy holidays!

[@ModernMouse]

@sirhillarybillary If it came off as "Kristen Bell and friends" that wasn't the intent. I just wanted to point out that of everyone, she's probably the least known for her stage work. Maybe I worded things wrong. Anyhow, thank you for the comment.

[@sirhillarybillary]

@@ModernMouse that makes total sense! I didn't know she had a lot of stage experience! Thanks!

[@ModernMouse]

@@sirhillarybillary Have a good holiday week!

[@jerrelljones9991]

Barry crashed the video lol 😆

[@ModernMouse]

I know! He ruined my whole outro for the video.

[@jerrelljones9991]

@@ModernMouse Ha ha 😂

[@roykaberf2825]

Frozen had no plot, direction, character development, or vision. It was a senseless musical with vain and unlikable characters. Yeah I guess you're right, it did influence a whole generation of people that are just about as vapid and aimless as that trainwreck of an animation.