How Disney+ Screwed Over Disney TVA Cartoons

[@Kalani_Saiko]

"Let's cancel this show because it isn't getting enough views on disney channel/disney+" Also disney: *gets rid of disney channel in most countries and takes months to years to upload new shows to disney+ outside of the US*

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

Exactly bruh it’s stupid

[@MiaDaniela123]

Exactly i am not from the US so i didn't get to see the end of amphibia for 2 YEARS

[@Kalani_Saiko]

@@MiaDaniela123 I feel that as an aussie

[@adrianwallerborg8865]

Moon girl and Devil Dinosaur season 2 is not even on swedish disney+

[@Kalani_Saiko]

@@adrianwallerborg8865 Yeah, we (australia) only seem to have the first season so far, too. Didn't even know there was a second one

[@JustCrazyDK]

The Owl House DEFINITELY got screwed over due to timely events. From what I remembered. It was around the time Disney+ was out for a bit, so none of Season 1 was even on there. The Higher-ups told Dana and crew that they wanted the show to end right when the show was starting to pick up.(after Agony of the Witch aired)

[@Mediados]

Disney executives expect unreasonable success due to the size of their company. A show needs to gain momentum to get successful. Cancelling shows so early just leads to them starting to get very profitable right as they are ending.

[@Dip-Star-1489]

This is reminding me of Netflix’s Inside Job, where the show was split in half on release dates and was season two was cancelled, which I think might have resulted in part two being rushed.

[@OMGSOSILLEH]

They said the show didn’t fit the brand because it contained LGBTQ+ content. Disgusting move on your part, Disney.

[@A350flyernyc]

I think it was a situation of “wrong place, wrong time.” Had TOH been a few years earlier, Disney Channel would still be in full swing and it probably would have gotten more viewers. Had it been a few years later, everything would be streaming-based and TOH would probably be direct to Disney plus. There they could more accurately measure ratings and better push it to its target audience. But it came out during this awkward time when Disney had already internally given up on Disney Channel but still hadn’t gone all in on Disney plus. TOH was collateral damage from the transition. Then execs decided they wanted to target Disney channel to single-digit audiences, which conflicted with TOH’s more mature themes. That was the final nail in the coffin. And before you guys claim homophobia, I do want to point out there’s no evidence of that. Even Dana Terrace denied those claims. TOH’s mature themes is more than just its portrayal of LGBT characters in it. There are a lot more themes that might conflict with the target audience of Disney Channel. Again, it would be a great show for Disney plus, but TOH wasn’t created with Disney plus in mind, which made it a casualty. Do I agree with Disney on all this? Of course not! It’s still a shame they cancelled the show. But I also don’t believe the decision to cancel the show was as cartoonishly malevolent as some perceive it to be. I think some of you don’t fully grasp how decisions like this are made.

[@gladstonrincleston]

At this point Disney has canceled Wander over yonder, Ducktales 2017, The owl house, The ghost and Molly Mcgee, (Milo kinda too). True colors was delayed. Bluey was censored. And way more. "When you put something out into the world it's no longer yours really".

[@eglol]

Ahhh Bluey quote at the end there. :l Milo Murphy's Law is such a good show... Season 3 should've happened but Disney was so mean to it 😭 but I am glad that recently some Bluey episodes did get uncensored when they were censored unnecessarily.

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

Wonder Over Yonder had an ending though

[@jaceybella1267]

​@@MASTEROFEVIL when a show gets canceled the creators usually cook up a quick wrap up

[@RYMAN1321]

@@jaceybella1267What about Owl House? It too got a proper sendoff albeit they had over a couple years to plan it it seems

[@jaceybella1267]

@@RYMAN1321 you think a final season comprising of three hour long specials is a proper sendoff? Nah, they were screwed in that deal, the first of the specials have that rushed montage in the human world because they weren't allotted the episodes to actually tell those stories

[@lightyearpig12]

This is how you kill fandoms. Why else do you think the fandom for Hailey's On It is mostly nonexistent outside of people expecting it to become the next Owl House or Amphibia only to be disappointed where their exact expectations aren't met?

[@neelwilliam8240]

lmao no way nate

[@carlosjaimez9028]

Umm... I actually enjoy the show.

[@Cherrio4life]

@@carlosjaimez9028well that’s ok if you do, I won’t judge :3

[@jeremybottoms7619]

I thought season on of hailey on it was already but I can definitely see the potential and hope more people will give it a watch so we can get a season 2

[@CoffyThecat]

@@jeremybottoms7619Trailers and advertising can sometimes work but breaking news can cut it out. Disney would have to do something like smash brothers because you can’t get breaking news on video games. Some people didn’t know about the characters in smash once they played those characters they went to buy the game. Some people weather are so bad advertisement and trailers don’t work.

[@Glaciola_ice]

its crazy to know how the cartoons from the 2000 had several season up to 5+ meanwhile cartoons today have to call themselves lucky if they even get 1 season that isnt just 8 eps

[@jeremybottoms7619]

Exactly. Hazbin hotel needed more than 8 episodes

[@cerberus01]

Well not Disney cartons, if you go back to the 90's the majority of animated shows. Such as Gargoyles, Darkwing Duck, and Goof Troop which had 2-3 seasons (60-70 episodes). So it"s really not Disney and Disney+, it's just Disney.

[@amethyst_cat9532]

At least 90s and 2000s cartoons only got sent to the chopping block after 65 episodes

[@ZeepAtomic]

What cartoon fans worried about in the 2010s: Certain shows hogging schedules, crappy reboots and hiatuses. What cartoon fans worry about now: Tax write-offs, unoriginality, mass cancellations, David Zaslav's very existence, public domain, Disney playing corporate dominoes, and streaming being sucky. I don't even think that's all on the list either. Everything sucks as of now.

[@catdogmousecheese]

You know in the 2010's people kept complaining about these reboots of classic cartoons like Powerpuff Girls (2016), Ben 10 (2016), and Teen Titans Go, but now in the 2020's it seems like the new fad is rebooting classic cartoons as live-action sitcoms. Did anyone know there's a live action version of Fairly Odd Parents and The Loud House?

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

We could find David Zaslav and (Removed as against KZbin guidelines)

[@ZeepAtomic]

@@sacrificiallamb4568 I know what you're talking about, and I'm all for it.

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

Ah, good. I'm not in America, so somebody else is going to have to do it.@@ZeepAtomic

[@ZeepAtomic]

@@sacrificiallamb4568 Well a [REDACTED] job is a big risk.

[@svxd7369]

Releasing an episode at the same time on both cable and streaming is a great idea. I absolutely hate that huge corporations are not allowing creators the freedom they want to do with their content.

[@devonjeffers5898]

Makes you wonder why the term "Fight the System" makes so much sense now, doesn't it?

[@Kalani_Saiko]

Also releasing it in all countries around the same time. Sometimes it takes a year just for them to release a disney show here.

[@amandahealey2216]

​@@devonjeffers5898 Or in the words of Hop Pop, "Eat the rich!"

[@MysterrySurvives]

Yeah, it could have been a great idea to just expand their platform and reach both old gen and new gen about their industry..but sadly they dont accept great ideas anymore

[@daniel.d.roberts6850]

@@MysterrySurvives Well, Phineas And Ferb and Gravity Falls did it anyways. Because you're a disgrace to Walt Disney.

[@Roxie_ET]

Watched the live-action Percy Jackson with my family recently. To my surprise, it had a "release one episode per week" system just like Cable TV, which I had never seen in streaming before. It's possible, I just wish it was done more. Also, I honestly think these are good suggestions that not only will support the creators, but may make Disney's business more successful.

[@jbcatz5]

It’s fairly standard for Disney+, they’ll drop one, maybe two episodes on season launch and then the rest of the season weekly. For a period we were all most guaranteed to get a Marvel or Star Wars show each week.

[@noahbossier1131]

They do this with Disney plus orginal shows.

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

Most shows in Disney+ have weakly releases. If they don't see potential in the show appealing to people they release episodes daily or all in the same day

[@kipolem53]

@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Big Shot was weekly for season one, all posted at once for season two, and completely deleted seven months after that.

[@olleselin]

Seriously, all these stupid corporate decisions are what's ruining the running of high quality shows.... No wonder the major Hollywood strike occured last year

[@Rellobros]

Cartoon Network: Now you know how I feel

[@firerose4495]

Perhaps we should organize another strike, only this one is about not letting streaming decide the fate of our shows.

[@devonjeffers5898]

@@firerose4495 Maybe it's time the strikers should equip themselves with firearms to really get the message across.

[@theatre.swiftie22]

@@firerose4495omg yess

[@basilcat3111]

The funny thing is that the episode 'The Ghost is Molly Mcgee' protrayed the ghost council going on strike because of Scratch's icompetence.

[@KirbyStarAnimation]

Everyone go watch the entire 2nd season of moon girl now if you want a third season.

[@devonjeffers5898]

Perhaps we, the more dedicated fans, should do what the entertainment industry have been to us for years now, shove a potential show down EVERYONE's throats!!

[@tylerbaker556]

​@@devonjeffers5898yeah, plus, i watched it myself, and fun fact, it was so not cool, i mean, lunella saved her from molecule man, she even reformed him, and yet her mom shut her down?! SHE'S A TOOL FOR DOING THAT!

[@nickgadson266]

Cause as they say, those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[@gunstrokethecybertronian8659]

Already on it

[@GLTCHDGD]

​@@tylerbaker556thanks for the spoiler alert, but it was minor so i dont really care that much. Dont even know who molecule man is yet cause only 2 episodes have aired on tv.

[@whos._ririii]

it's honestly so sad how almost every show has been cancled 😥

[@Rileykoblis11]

Sooo true

[@Rellobros]

Disney’s golden years are starting to fade away Just like Cartoon Network’s golden years

[@Rellobros]

And I’m aware the same thing is gonna happen to Nickelodeon. Or not

[@edithpatel7007]

They really just LOVE cancelling, huh? It's miserable

[@devonjeffers5898]

@@Rellobros Hate to break it to ya but they already have. The childhood trinity's golden ages are already way past us. It's nothing but a barren wasteland of Spongebob BS, TTG BS, and Disney cliches now.

[@FoggyMemoryProductions]

This video does echo my concerns of companies nowadays focusing on short term gains rather then long term profits. And with how Disney has been going down in terms of audience perceptions makes me think they will have to actually consider solutions like the one you brought up here. Great video as always.

[@AJ-xc4qe]

Anyone else miss when Disney Channel wasn't completely reliant on revivals/spin-offs (Bunk'd, live action Kim Possible, upcoming Descendants spin-off movie with its' story already making no sense) and gave just as much attention to original shows instead of cancelling them before they even reach the four season limit now (The Owl House, Secrets of Sulphur Springs, The Ghost and Molly McGee, Sydney to the Max, Andi Mack)? Edit: many cable networks are desperate to survive and one of those things that would "help them" are cashgrabs that are cheap to make and easy to rely on. And if you're neither of those things, then, well, good luck to you.

[@kipolem53]

They havent done anything to Kiff yet, that is an original show plus it just got something for Halloween. Also Big City Greens seems like their Teen Titans Go and Spongebob where it will carry on annoying folks for many seasons to come.

[@happaxgamma]

Cartoon Network also screws over their post-We Bare Bears cartoons, such as OK K.O.! and Infinity Train, even though they never really deserve it. The shows that did deserve being screwed over were The Powerpuff Girls and Ben 10 reboots, which were only made to sell merchandise. Cartoon Network nowadays barely have any shows still producing new episodes, and majority of it's social media accounts are relying on nostalgia.

[@ZeepAtomic]

The reason for CN being in a content drought as of recent is because of two reasons. The first is the migration between buildings. They had to leave their studio in Atlanta due to rent expiration, along with the new animation studio building that Warner planned years back finally finishing construction. The second is simple. No one wants their hard work written off by the great big Z. But it's not all doom and gloom for CN's future as of now, as their new show Invincible Fight Girl is officially slated for release this year. A WBD executive also said that since CNS now shares the roof with WBA, they'll have more mass appeal. For now, it seems like Discovery's habit of torturing CN has cooled down once again. Let's hope it stays that way.

[@jeremybottoms7619]

​@ZeepTheWocky I'll still never forgive them fir what they did with infinity train. I have never seen such an amazing and unique idea that everyone loved get treated that badly. It was bad enough that it got canceled even though the season 5 scripted was finished but removing a show like that from your own streaming version omwas one of the worst decisions they could made that show was the main reason I bought hbo max

[@happaxgamma]

I remember when HBO Max actually had various classic CN shows as well as newer ones you can't find on Hulu, but now Hulu has the better catalog.

[@ZeepAtomic]

@@jeremybottoms7619 That is an excellent point. I'm still mad at Discovery for killing Hub Network.

[@ZeepAtomic]

@@happaxgamma Exactly. Max actually did have plans to add the missing CN shows onto the service (Johnny Bravo, Cow and Chicken, even Puffy AmiYumi too!), but that's of course been scrapped thanks to the new management. Back then, you'd actually get Max for great access to CN shows. Now you'll either have to spend a fortune on Prime Video, or sail the seven seas if you wanna watch CN. Sucks that they might never have an official streaming home. Boomerang is the closest we can get.

[@sasamichan]

Disney Needs to Make Merchandise ignore demographics and target audience and just accept views who cares about intended ages? Put the characters and lands of the show in the parks Let the creators tell there full story and be willing to tell a story that Republicans, parents and China don't want there children to hear

[@RYMAN1321]

Exactly Why is it so bad if a show such as Owl House has a bigger audience than what was intended? Same went for MLP and Bluey.

[@kipolem53]

There is barely any merch for Phineas and Ferb, which is the most mechandisable Disney Channel show ever.

[@theghosttm8245]

To add onto your points I think they also: Movies - whatever decisions are made for picking writers on their shows should be done for their movies. As well as more time in the “oven” Disney Channels/ XD - Needs the commercials and merchandise that the movies get. I’d kill for official plushies of The Calamity Trio and figurines of many shows.

[@Mattcai2004]

So that's why there are no Disney TVA characters (except Phineas and Ferb and Lilo & Stitch the series) in Disney parks. Which is a shame, since that would be a great way to advertise them.

[@santosic]

I mean, seriously, there is a missed golden goose opportunity in, say, making the Mystery Shack from Gravity Falls an actual gift shop in the park for example. It would sell Gravity Falls exclusive merch (including for instance Journal 3 and the Gravity Falls entire series blue ray boxed set), and probably have someone in a Grunkle Stan suit walking the perimeter of the shop. Easy money maker, and they promote their channel and show, all rolled in one.

[@Mattcai2004]

@@santosic and don't get me started with the entirety of Wartwood

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

Does Lilo & Stitch even count since they came from a movie?

[@Mattcai2004]

@@Saltedroastedcaramel Lilo, Stitch, Jumba, Pleakley and Gantu certainly don't count. But the other experiments are included among the Disney Television Animation characters

[@teddyfurstman1997]

DisneyPlus is such a disgrace to Disney TVA cartoons.

[@Rellobros]

Cartoon Network And Max: Now you know how we feel

[@henrygerecke5376]

And it’s not even free! I’d prefer WCOTV, except for the fact that you have to be a premium user to watch movies

[@brytilaar]

They also cancelled Wander Over Yonder.

[@samflood5631]

Don’t say it like that. We get to watch our old favorite shows such as X-men, Spiderman, Gargoyles, Jake Long the American Dragon, Star Wars, Dark Wing Duck, Ducktales, Gummy Bears, Dinosaurs and the Simpsons.

[@henrygerecke5376]

@@samflood5631 I’d prefer WCOTV, though one can’t watch movies on there anymore

[@TisPopRock]

Disney really needs to start having episodes released once a week, half the fun for some of my favorite shows is engaging with the community and talking about the new episode that dropped. I think that’s why I never finished the owl house because having to binge all of the episodes wasn’t feasible for me.

[@jbcatz5]

Releasing episodes one at a time means people talking about individual episodes rather than dropping a lot at once and some episodes being lost in the shuffle for it. Especially for more serialised shows where half the fun was developing and re-examining theories based on the newest episode, looking back to previous episodes to see what was re-contextualised. Lore drops, freeze frames, plot twists etc, that side of the fanbase can be very engaging and it’s only around when the show is still airing (or if you’re watching the show for the first time not knowing any spoilers). Plus, you had multiple weeks to enjoy with it, thinking and talking about the last episode, looking forward to the next one. It was half an hour out of your day each week, not several hours watching episodes to get through them and to reach the credits on the season finale so you wouldn’t need to avoid social media.

[@miles7885]

agreed! like binging has killed fandoms bcuz if u know all the episodes are out and u don’t wanna binge then u avoid the very topic on social media & thus less ppl are actively talking abt it or pushing what others are saying abt it!

[@jbcatz5]

@@miles7885 It can also affect content creators (a forum for fandoms to discuss like a digital water cooler) because they can get more out of a video per episode than a single review of the season overall. It’s also a business sense for streaming services since an eight episode show can be two or three months worth of subscription for a subscriber to the service (the flip side being that someone may wait until all the episodes are dropped and then activate a sub), and if they’re using the web page or app when the episode ends there’s a chance the user will watch another show or movie.

[@Joe-rz3fd]

This is why I like the compromise put out where some shows released one episode a week, but they put it on the streaming service so that any subscriber could view it at any time.

[@theinfernus9912]

As an european fan I would also add as how to fix Disney+ is: release the episode on the same day worldwide! Like they do with Disney+ original why they don't with TVA shows? Hell sometimes they even have the episode dubbed in other languages in USA before they arrive in the countries who speak those languages

[@Kalani_Saiko]

frfr my country only got tgamm season 2 a few months ago, took a year for them to put the first season up. My bet is there are still countries that haven't even got that yet AND NOW THEY'VE CANCELLED IT

[@swarlock]

Spectrum TV no longer supports Disney on their platform as of last year so that's out. I swear the way most corporations using shows as a tax write off is pure evil.

[@LilaTheGlitchyBunny]

as someone who had all of their favorite shows (expect for amphibia it didn't get cancelled) cancelled (owl house, steven universe and invader zim) i truly believe that show creators are not getting their freedom to make a cartoon or TV show (even tho i think invader zim was cancelled for the cost of animation IDK if someone can correct me then that would be nice) that can be good for (both) younger and older audience (kinda how all of them had some dark themes). Sure these studios are popular for children media but sometimes you have to expand and think about the older people who grew up watching these shows and what they might want in the future.

[@RYMAN1321]

I don’t know if I would say Owl House was actually “cancelled”. Yes it was shortened but it still was able to get a proper and amazing ending, something other cancelled shows didn’t get

[@cartooncatlover5121]

I am very concerned about the Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur and Hailey's on it now. 😨

[@hoppie4263]

I think Hailey’s on it is safe

[@jeremybottoms7619]

​@hoppie4263 I sure hope so I didn't care to much from season 1 but I can see the potential for sdomthong great

[@HoofKicker]

Welp

[@cartooncatlover5121]

@@HoofKicker, I was right! 😮‍💨

[@kipolem53]

The safe shows seem to be Kiff, Hamster and Gretel, and Big City Greens, the latter of which looks like it will go on and on

[@kevin10001]

Most of the services have gone back to the cable model of releasing shows aside from Netflix cause most of them have realized that it’s a better way for shows to find its audience where the binge model can’t

[@Starwarsfanboy0928]

Hope Disney will see this and realize that something needs to be done.

[@mayracordero382]

I'm feeling the same and disney must do something for animated shows!

[@masonplacher7096]

Let’s hope that this “something” doesn’t involve shutting down Disney+.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@masonplacher7096exactly or else Disney can go bye bye

[@Starwarsfanboy0928]

@@martinmoraurena4155 Never? Did you forget all the other low points in the company's history before they were able to rise back up?

[@martinmoraurena4155]

@@Starwarsfanboy0928 Ngl yes ._. my bad

[@bronysimpson3250]

The fact that Disney pulled the plug on TGAMM just because of low ratings on their shitty plus app (despite how successful the show really was) is why I have officially had it once and for all with Disney. They inflicted a massive wound on my heart like a scythe going down the middle. I'll never forgive the pukes in charge of Disney for what they are doing to shows. They have devastated me for the last time.

[@santosic]

They lost me when they prematurely canceled The Owl House for similar reasons, as well as the show apparently not fitting their brand, supposedly. Are you kidding me?? The show embodied everything that was FANTASTIC about Disney animation, and then some, and it supposedly didn't fit their brand?? Bullshit. I haven't really checked out their newer shows as a result because I was almost certain they'd be prematurely canceled anyway. And, sure enough, I was right. I'm partially glad I didn't get into TGAMM because my heart would probably be broken right now too, again, due to it getting axed before it could really shine.

[@RYMAN1321]

@@santosicExactly I don’t understand what the “problem” was of having a different kind of show (a successful one nonetheless) and having a wider audience. Did they forget that MLP and Bluey also had adults interested ? With all that said though, I am still glad the Owl House crew had time to give it a proper ending which was very well done and received

[@sortascouseace]

Unfortunately Disney realised way too late what they had with the owl house, that show had potential to create a massive universe of spin offs, movies merch or whatever, I would even say it was at the same caliber as the last air bender, with it's massive cult following. They put the last few episodes on you tube and they got a million+ views within the first day

[@theluigifan1]

@@sortascouseaceThis is just me being way too hopeful for my own good but part of me hopes they decide to bring it back in some way the same way they decided to revive Phineas and Ferb nearly 9 years after the show originally concluded. They realized their mistake when the last three 45-minute specials for Season 3 were uploaded to KZbin and part of me hopes that’s a signal to them that people of all ages, not just young adults, want more of The Owl House.

[@AngelJD]

I agree once a week per episode so fans can speculated (which forming theories and sharing them with good feedback can be fun if not a toxic fandom hopefully) and make even fanarts and comics that might help capture attention and find new fans as well. When it airs on Cable the next day it can be on Disney+ in a once a week format (plus like how they did with Dancing with the Stars maybe have it live stream on Disney plus). Doing this is important to those that might not get the Disney Channel BUT want to have a timely engagement with the fandom. New people who find a show HAS TO avoid the fandom for at risk of seeing Spoilers so no engagements from them till they catch up. If the show on Disney+ has so much time distance from Cable those watchers can't engage with the fandom plus run the risk of easily being spoiled (the amount of time I was spoiled just from opening a social media app and the first image without trying is a spoiler) thus ruining desire to watch on Disney+ (and thus hurting ratings). Plus many time when the Disney+ watcher of the show enters a fandom many from that fandom might of already left as those episodes was long ago aired. When Disney started Disney+ the different people running both the Cable and Streaming sides had a lack of experience data but now I hope they can form better strategies that can help creators and themselves. I know the one's running Cable is running a sinking ship but their duties is to try staying afloat or at least slow down the sink while slowly in many countries the channel is being removed. For Cable I can understand a 'Storyboard' style show has more advantages due to time restraints and easier for reruns to be discovered and followed while Streaming 'Scripted' style shows have a appeal and easier to showcase without time slots limits. So I can understand Disney Channel wanting to produce/pay for Storyboard content moreso but still hope for some Scripted to be aired that maybe a team up between Cable and Streaming to co-produce that and work together to best showcase such shows. Plus better marketing somehow (both movies, and shows lately the marketing which they did well in the past has been very lacking as instead many companies are trying to have a unfortunate one person team social media manger be the marketer (who has too produce/work many jobs and media as well) and make something somehow 'trend'. 'Trending' is good but for one hour is lacking and doesn't have as big of a reach like companies believes it does. Plus that social media marketer barely has time to 'engage' people commenting (and engaging your viewers is very important). Marketing is costly yet many that skip/skim it find themselves losing when other competitors does it well and knows it's real value.

[@otterwithadarkerside]

Yeah they really screwed everything over tbh

[@Rellobros]

worse then Cartoon Network’s downfall same goes for Dc and Warner bros

[@devonjeffers5898]

Honestly, kinda true in some way. Disney really is one of the worse places to start a potential IP, right up there with MAPPA and Netflix.

[@FireJojoBoy]

It's really sad that you often have to pray that your favourite shows get to tell the story they wanted to tell. I have hope that this might change in the future though (or it will get even worse, 50/50)

[@martinmoraurena4155]

Screwing over Tv series? Check Screwing over other companies that they bought? Check Screwing over their Mainline movies? Check Screwing over the whole industry and what the companies think will be better for them, Illumination style? Possibly check

[@devonjeffers5898]

@@martinmoraurena4155 I guess when you really think about it, Disney's basically screaming "I hate myself and everyone around me and I just want to kill myself!" at this point.

[@paulettefrazier445]

WATCH MOON GIRL NOW IF WE WANT A SEASON 3!!!

[@876-mys9]

Yeah! It’s bad enough for Milo Murphy’s Law, Disney+ didn’t have the last few and other seasons. Disney+ is a ripoff

[@hisyoungmajesty]

Not only did Disney+ screw over shows modern shows we know and love like Amphibia, The Owl House, The Ghost and Molly McGee, and Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur but the streaming service is still neglectful for not adding the DTVA shows from the early 2000s such as Lloyd in Space, The Weekenders, Teamo Supremo, House of Mouse, Fillmore!, Dave the Barbarian, Brandy & Mr. Whiskers, etc. And yet Disney+ still neglects to put these shows to their streaming services

[@RYMAN1321]

I thought Amphibia ended on its own terms? And Owl House was still able to get a proper conclusion though

[@samflood5631]

What’s so wrong with Amphibia and Owl House’s series finale?

[@hisyoungmajesty]

@@samflood5631 good question

[@03mbc]

Seriously there really screwed over a lot of good shows for there live action garbage and others reasons At least Amphibia The Owl House (despite being cut short) The Ghost of Molly McGee (despite Canceling season 3) The Casagrandes (even through we have the Casagrandes Movie next month) Hilda Ended on a good note At least Criag of the Creek still has the rest of season 5 I think they said season 2. And the Loud House thankfully got greenlit for one more season season 8 it not officially announced yet but from what I herd season 8 could be the last season. Big City Greens could end after season 4 Moongirl and devil dinosaur season 3 is already been written but not officially Announced yet. Kiff has season 2 And there no word about a Hailey on It season 2 yet

[@DiegoArmandoAcunaSanchez]

Diego A. Acuña You know Interesting honestly, with all the ways Disney good half "continued" The Owl House why not have it on Disney+. It just makes the most sense if Disney doesn't want it to air on TV for "reasons" they can just stream it like what they did it with the final season of Clone Wars and by doing so they can advertise it to the Fans so they can subscribe to Disney+ to gain more money out of it but that's just a GOOD IDEA!!!!!!

[@Rellobros]

Thanks for knowing all that Einstein

[@Kalani_Saiko]

THEY CANCELED TGAMM SEASON 3?! WE ONLY JUST GOT SEASON 2 HERE OML!!

[@jeremybottoms7619]

Wait they are actually ending the loud house? That's a surprise the show was already experiencing seasonal rot and nick was treating the show like the new spongbob was was expecting it to last way long

[@03mbc]

@@jeremybottoms7619 well I don't know of it official yet

[@toonaurz2620]

I miss Wander Over Yonder.

[@powerpup97]

Amphibia wasn’t screwed over on Disney+. It was on the service the day it launched before the first season even finished! What really got screwed over was 101 Dalmatian Street since Disney+ didn’t get it until the first season finished airing in the UK!

[@TheRandomPosterTRP]

They could so easily follow the release schedule of Marvel TV shows on Disney+(which they specifically did to keep people from cancelling their subscriptions), yet opt to drop half a season at once.

[@The-Coven-Head]

How can people like you come up with better ideas for Disney than the ACTUAL Disney employees?

[@MysterrySurvives]

Thats because Disney employees are based more on statistics than creativity..

[@daniel.d.roberts6850]

@@MysterrySurvives So are you, because you're a disgrace to Walt Disney.

[@daniel.d.roberts6850]

@@MysterrySurvives It's all Phineas And Ferb and Gravity Falls' faults anyway. Liar.

[@jeremybottoms7619]

​@@daniel.d.roberts6850how?

[@bullmonty764]

This can even happen to shows announced for Disney+. After the “success” of Let’s Get Dangerous (when in actuality its viewership was down by a whole third compared to the previous week’s episode), they announced that they were bowing to Frank’s obsession and rebooting Darkwing Duck. 39 months later…where did it go? I don’t know; nobody knows! It’s to the point where I’m actually more comfortable with it *not* coming out because of how long development’s been seemingly dragged on (if it’s even still being produced; again, blame development hell)

[@CrystalGirl1313]

I honestly think Disney just forgot about it... like completely at this point... if it actually happens though THAT WOULD ACTUALLY REALLY SURPRISE ME--

[@noahbossier1131]

@@CrystalGirl1313it’s still in development

[@bullmonty764]

@@noahbossier1131 And that’s the problem I have. It’s spent so long in development that people like me and CrystalGirl are unconvinced that it’ll ever see the light of day. Even in the event that it does, who knows how much longer it’ll be before Seth Rogen and company can get every minute detail exactly right? Again, considering it’s been over three years, I’d say it’ll take a *lot* more time

[@glimmerstantroop46321]

I genuinely don't trust it'll happen

[@daniel.d.roberts6850]

@@glimmerstantroop46321 And no one trust you either, because you've given Walt Disney a bad name.

[@stevenmosco20]

unlike the other shows it seems like the ghost and molly mcgee has a chance of coming back if the show garners enough views. im hopeful it will happen some day

[@socks456]

I’m going to share this video around..people need to be aware of the situation at stake for people who wanna create and want this as there life, seeing companies do the bare minimum to help is scary. But if enough people speak out, change is 100% possible! Great video!

[@LauraM96829]

I did think the Ghost and Molly Mcgee finale was kind of rushed. And when I say rushed, I mean it came completely out of knowhere! I saw the last episode and was like, “it’s over now?” Like I knew this season didn’t feel like it was intended to be the last. And now I know season 2 was originally written with a season 3 in mind, with Jinx and the Human world ironically being a written as a season finale rather than part one of a series finale. Especially with it ending with Scratch sending the chairman cloak to find someone else worthy of it. That was clearly meant to set up season 3.

[@ego-lay_atman-bay]

I really wish disney would release episodes on a weekly schedule, just like do wish shows like percy jackson. Percy jackson is currently getting a new episode every week, but moon girl and devil dinosaur got the entire 2nd season in one day. They can do the weekly format, but they're keeping that to the live action shows.

[@PWPictures67]

I first watched Amphibia on Disney+ actually, the first two seasons were already over when I became interested in it, so I watched the first two on there, and then the third season on Disney Channel itself. 😄

[@user-si3hg5ir6w]

When I first watched Amphibia 2 years ago on Disney Plus Season 1 wasn’t that bingey to me so I watched like 2 episodes everyday, and as I got to seasons 2 and 3 I kept that, I enjoyed the show for a long period of time versus just watching the entire series in one sitting. The suspense did kill me I never missed a day sometimes I even got sleep deprived 😂

[@saddlebag]

Yeah, in most cases I also avoid binging shows.

[@user-si3hg5ir6w]

Its also everywhere I go kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZzQgKOJp7F1rsksi=IfkJ0KWXpyytklf-

[@jeremybottoms7619]

​​@@saddlebagI only pinged the first 2 seasons as quickly as possible since season 2 was coming out soon and didn't wanna get spoiled since I already knew about the marcy stab befor I started watching

[@saddlebag]

@@jeremybottoms7619 I currently watch most of my shows with at least one of my siblings, so that’s the main thing keeping me from binging (but I do appreciate how it makes shows last longer). The only thing I got spoiled on for Amphibia was that Anne would get powers, as I did briefly glimpse her with blue hair in a KZbin thumbnail. I tried gaslighting myself to believe it was just from when Anne had blue hair in that specific season one episode, but was unsuccessful.

[@jeremybottoms7619]

@@saddlebag I mostly just love being kept up to date with my shows. Like luckily I started watching the owl house when season 2 first came out and found it cool that they was airing season 2 of owl house and season 3 of amphibia at the same time every week I'd wake up to a new amphibia and house house episode airing back to back on someday it was overwhelming though. They would air the owl house episode first than the amphibia one and I remember them airing hollows mind first and being left speechless to be point I could hardly pay attention to the amphibia episode at all that they was airing litteraly right after

[@jaceybella1267]

What drives me NUTS is that they've figured this out with their marvel shows? They dropped every one I've seen on a weekly basis, and it fostered a lot of buzz and attention for Wandavision and Loki. Like Disney+ probably has a damn setting for timed releases, just do the animation like that too. Add like a "new episodes this week!" category to the front page. Bam. Promotion and pacing.

[@HyperHeroesYT]

Moon Girl has got to be one of the best Marvel shows. I watched 14 episodes on Disney Plus and I'm in love. SPOILER ALERT BELOW Lunella getting trauma, finding a crushk, new gadgets and stuff, just amazing.

[@axolotlandpangolin]

Everyone we need to collaborate-- anytime a new show comes out just let it play in the background through all the episodes on Disney+ to give it good view statistics and THEN watch it on your own time so you don't have to binge it It's crap that we have to do that, I mean how does Disney think any of us have the time to binge fourteen episodes of moon girl in a week, this is ridiculous and they're cancelling shows over it

[@CBMOA]

It’s still too bad they didn’t put on some best classics like _House of Mouse_

[@theghosttm8245]

When will they put it on D+ ?! Hell I wouldn’t mind if they reboot it with the newer shows. Like maybe every episode could be a different “special guest”

[@olleselin]

Or "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" for that matter

[@theghosttm8245]

@@olleselin that too !!

[@ZeepAtomic]

Me? I'm still waiting for Brandy and Mr. Whiskers.

[@NickLogoAbk2913]

I’m waiting for Buzz on Maggie, Dave the barbarian, The 7D, and Penn Zero Part Time Hero

[@seanmichaelmartinez]

TGAMM Needs To Be Season 3

[@hoppie4263]

I heard a season 3 was meant to happen

[@jnate6095]

The finale really makes you want it 😭

[@ThatOneGem]

Even though the show isn't a story, I really hope Kiff gets a season 3...

[@toadlord8594]

Yeah the shows were all screwed over in one way or another.

[@MrGabeanator]

Everytime I watch season 3 of the owl house I always think 2 things 1 Dana Terrace totally got the raw deal from Disney and they butchered her show 2 I imagine what it would’ve been like if it had been able to be like amphibia and have a full season also I want to know what do you know about hamster&gretel?

[@RYMAN1321]

I get what you’re saying, but they at least were still able to give the show a proper ending

[@kenzieschannel3106]

Disney better be taking notes

[@Thesilentvoice...]

The thing is that Disney wasn’t quick to cancel shows in the past even with low views at times. They would still keep it around as each show did have a cult follower at the time. Like emperors new school, Brandy and mr whiskers, American dragon etc. But now they are just canning any show with lower views. Moon girl is a great show but they stopped promoting it after s1. Also the streaming services are too much these days. There’s too many options and people don’t want to pay too much. Disney should put these shows on their KZbin with full episodes and not just clips.

[@RYMAN1321]

I am still amazed and grateful though that Owl House and Amphibia were able to get proper and satisfying endings.

[@JediMB]

My personal issue with Disney's handling of shows like Molly McGee is that they are really inconsistent about when episodes are released outside of the US. I've been consistently behind on the show because only the first season is available in my region, and it's not always easy to remember to start up the VPN and check if any new episodes are available.

[@kristofth]

Also one thing, some episodes of TGAMM aired much earlier in Central Europe, than in the US. Some people at Tumblr asked not put any spoilers

[@nicholaslitton4333]

Marngel Rambels, The situation of dropping the first 14 episodes of MGADD is living proof that Disney's problem is that they are not willing to correct their mistakes but rather double down on their mistakes.

[@ArtisticHH57]

This guy should be hired in Disney’s marketing division

[@Kittenfox_55]

Streaming gives allows us to start, pause and come back whenever we want as opposed to live TV. However the way success is measured by the binged model killed the convince of streaming. Moon Girl having a 14 episode drop is a lot for just one day.

[@vectinator7605]

I think it was an April Fools Prank but I remember there being a tease of Amphibia returning as there was a clip of Adult Anne talking about how things can find their way back to you.

[@jrr2480]

Back in the late 80s and through out most of the 90s, Disney did syndication for most of their cartoon shows, before they eventually bought ABC and expanded on their cable channels.

[@buzz86us2005]

Next day release on steaming would have been best for Molly McGee. It was months after cable for most episodes

[@kootunesscrewy]

2019 was the last year we had alot of unique television cartoons.

[@ZeepAtomic]

Exactly. I feel like TV animation went out with a bang there. The pandemic felt like streaming was gonna be a new frontier for the medium. Sure Netflix dropped from the sky, but that didn't stop the rest of the services from carrying animation forward with great original shows and films each few months. Then David Zaslav showed up and said "NAH!", and now streaming's pinky-promise for the future is broken in a lot of ways.

[@kootunesscrewy]

@@ZeepAtomic I remember when Wildbrain and those other cartoon channels on KZbin were the empire of showing obscure and classic cartoons online back around 2017-2021. Now they barely upload them anymore.

[@ZeepAtomic]

@@kootunesscrewy That's really sad. I remember subbing to WildBrain's Robotboy channel.

[@kootunesscrewy]

@@ZeepAtomic I think the channel has recently been owned by Gaumont since all the Wildbrain channels have been gone for a while.

[@jeremybottoms7619]

2 of time top 5 favorite shows of all time came put in 2019 amphibia and infinity train

[@Beebop02]

Amphibias always been said to only have 3 seasons?

[@RYMAN1321]

Yes, it ended on its own terms

[@archtansterpg4246]

Great analysis! A few thoughts: - You mentioned ratings as the primary reason for show cancellations, and I agree. But maybe in the age of social media, Nielsen ratings and watchtime alone can't gauge the success of a show? I know that's where most of their revenue comes from, but I can't help but think maybe they should start looking at other metrics? Specifically, social media engagement - how many tweets contain a hashtag, how many TikToks are made analyzing their show, which properties are getting the most views on KZbin, etc. And perhaps creating a show that gets mediocre watchtime but which cultivates a passionate, if moderately sized, fanbase is better than aiming for a show getting lots of watchtime, being disappointed when it doesn't, and then just giving up on it entirely. I mean, that's part of the reason we canceled our Netflix subscription - they were canceling good shows left and right, and it just feels no longer worth it to get invested in any new project. - I find it interesting that you briefly referenced MatPat's video on Disney (a video I highly recommend btw). He actually made a very similar video on Netflix in 2022, and he brought up the same points you did in this video, including the pitfalls of the binge model. I think you're right that the "binge" model that's SOP for so many streaming services nowadays is inherently different from the traditional cable model of weekly releases. While the former means shows get a flash-in-the-pan moment when a new season airs but then peter out, the latter allows the cultural conversation to continue for much longer, potentially allowing the fanbase to grow as more people get interested and engaged. It also gives viewers room to digest those episodes and theorize about future episodes, and they won't have to worry about being spoiled by joining online discussion. Changing programming cadence may be risky for these services, but it's surprising that they're not at least attempting it more often. With many of them suffering losses, maybe now they'll start? MatPat also brought up the lack of advertising from Netflix on a lot of their properties, something you touch on here with Disney. Anyway, yeah, wall of text, but again, great video (and to anyone else, I highly recommend watching MatPat's videos on Netflix, Disney and Marvel).

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

Even IPlayer counts streams within a week of release as watch metrics, although I think they made it 30 days, probably when they extended the keep point to a few years.

[@rocketnumbernine_]

We need to, also, talk about the goddamn international release schedule. "Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur"'s first season didn't get a proper marketing and release dates here in Brazil.

[@pierrefrancois7396]

I believe that out of those shows, Amphibia is the only one to make it unscratched, seeing how it had a proper third season.

[@Miracular456]

Two words Boycott Disney

[@ramdelure]

If to brick back Star VS The Forces of Evil probably yes

[@Thehumangamers2585]

everyone watch pac man and the ghostly adventures right now because it an underrated gem and needs to come back

[@M567dk]

You would think that have the Marvel name would at least help Moon Girl and Devil dinosaur a bit more.

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

It really doesn't. Do you know about Hit-Monkey? Helstrom? MODOK? Agent Carter? Runaways? Cloak and Dagger? The Gifted? (Yes, these are all Marvel Television, not Marvel Studios, don't get me started.)

[@seanbroderick2224]

Really is a shame how Disney Channel content gets swept under the rug when it is producing some of the best pieces of media Disney has created in a LONG time. Not many people feel the urge to watch these shows or know it exists due to their lack of promotion. I bet if people watched Amphibia or The Owl House, they would be saying different stuff about the brand then they are right now. Such a disappointment to see good shows get pushed aside for…She-Hulk?

[@noahbossier1131]

It’s because she hulk is a Disney plus show. They promote shows made for Disney plus

[@evanrosman9226]

I miss the days when shows didn't get cancelled that quickly.

[@seanbroderick2224]

@@noahbossier1131 No I get that, I’m just saying I wish all the attention wasn’t on hot garbage like She Hulk and instead promotes more of their other shows

[@endamcnabola]

All thanks to, I believe, poor marketing and allegedly poor viewership.

[@Kalani_Saiko]

Part of that "poor viewership" probably comes down to the fact they got rid of disney channels in most countries and take forever to upload the shows on disney+ outside of the US.

[@noahbossier1131]

@@Kalani_Saikothis effects the cable shows. It won’t affect the shows that DTVA is making for Disney plus

[@misterniceguy429]

After how the Ghost and Molly McGee was treated, I’m growing really concerned for how Disney has been treated their animated shows. Kiff has competed its first season and it’s been confirmed to have a second season, but it hasn’t been confirmed if it’s getting a third season. Hamster and Gretel has also been confirmed to get a second season, but like Kiff it to hasn’t been confirmed to get a third season and with Phineas and Ferb returning it could greatly effect the show. Hailey’s On It is probably getting it the worst considering it hasn’t been confirmed to get a second season. It’s a real shame that all these shows are getting screwed by Disney, a lot of them have great potential but are getting neglected by the company. It also doesn’t help that Disney Plus is loosing a lot of subscribers, and most of these shows aren’t available on Spectrum. It also doesn’t help that last year Spectrum removed all the channels under Disney for bit.

[@MegaFafnir]

I was never really into "binge-watching" - at least, not all the time. As much as I can love and enjoy watching a show, there are often other things to do with my time and energy every week.

[@jay-yi9im]

Amphibia deserves more love tbh

[@adampellett4917]

I feel so sorry for all the creators of Star Vs the Forces of Evil, the Owl House, DuckTales reboot, Gravity Falls even the Ghost and Molly McGee got BUTCHERED for the losing ratings even worst advertisement gimmicks even saving money. Now, the company is getting much worse than WB. I do miss the old days of animation without money issues. Ugh, this generation. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️🤦

[@daniel.d.roberts6850]

Again, blame Phineas and Ferb and Gravity Falls for this.

[@miles7885]

this is angering for me. i LOVE moon girl and would LOVE season 3 but i HATE binging new content! i also just don’t have the time for it. i was actually so surprised & actually upset when i realized the uploaded FOURTEEN EPISODES a DAY after the release of the first two or one on the actual channel! it’s honestly overwhelming for me & i wonder how much time disney execs think we have to even binge watch it all within a week or so. like dude, that’s dumb

[@CoffyThecat]

Love your video yes trailers help sometimes and advertisements but there are more people playing video games. Plus breaking news can cut out advertisements and trailers. Disney should make something like smash brothers and those people who haven’t seen or heard about the characters can watch it.Some people played smash brothers but they didn’t know about the game or character and when they played that character in smash they bought the game.

[@wonderessfox4452]

When i first started watching TGAMM (around when season 1 was ending) I thought it'd be on a weekly schedule since when i was finished, and episode came out on Saturday. I was like, 'oh, it probably has a weekly schedule, nice!'.. Then week after week passed and i was like, 'weh?' Then i accidentally forgot about it then remembered around when half of season 2 was done, then remembered again when season 2 was complete. 😭

[@zpyo27]

Hazbin Hotel just came out on Prime Video. It was one of the first weekly released cartoons I ever watched, and I was on the edge of my seat every Thursday to watch it. I loved shows like ToH, and I’m so disappointed with how Disney+ wrecked them. Serialuzing shows would go a long way.

[@ArtisticHH57]

Disney + should advertise these shows more often in an offer to watch the trailer before the show itself comes out

[@noahbossier1131]

The only shows that won’t suffer this are the DTVA orginals that are being developed specifically for Disney plus like Neon Galaxy FantasY Sports. Intercats and Rhona who lives by the river because they are being developed for plus and can get worldwide releases

[@Ocencreeperking]

I missed all of these show

[@iluvoranges]

Mickey: Disney Television Animation shut opportunities for full story-telling, cancelled several shows for the most ridiculous reasons, & delievered a plague to televised cartoons! Wander: They did? Mickey: Not completely... but are we going to wait until they do?

[@ShalemAhava]

PLEASE DISNEY DO NOT CANCEL MOONGIRL!

[@Umbra_of_Emberspike]

I knew there were more subtle reasons why I have always been an Amphibia fan I didn't even know; being lucky enough to have a full story sealed the deal in the back of my head. I also knew there was a reason I'm hesitant to try any new shows again like I was way back in 2019. After so many disappointing finales of various shows in that year, I thought the same treatment would ensue in too many future shows for me to care again, and it looks like Amphibia is one of the few, if not only one, to dodge that particular sniper bullet.

[@VeteranPuppy113]

Disney should follow what paramount does and makes channels and so they can air shows while not taking away from the streaming service

[@olleselin]

I'm surprised you didn't brought up the DuckTales reboot in this topic

[@firerose4495]

That's right.

[@MarngelRambles]

Well DuckTales did get a full third season, and idk if the creators wanted to make more episodes after season 3. If they did wanted to make more, then let me know. I haven’t kept up with DuckTales, so idk what was the situation with it.

[@brandongaylord1039]

And I think Dana worked on the show too.

[@shanegiorgio4713]

​​​@@brandongaylord1039I do remember seeing her as the head writer on at least one episode of Ducktales last I binged that series, though I can't remember the exact one.

[@exeggutivejudge3747]

Yea, she worked on the first season before going to work on Owl House@@brandongaylord1039

[@ShadowWolfRising]

Disney under Iger has been a complete tale of mismanagement and a complete misunderstanding of it's audiences and products. Disney has been bad with TV Shows for quite a while now (The 2000s Golden era of the likes of Kim Possible, American Dragon, etc and their arbitrary limitation on Episodes numbers (Sans Kim Possible which was so beloved they basically were forced to deviate from that rule.).), but Dear Lord did it become even worse under Iger. Under the 2000s people all these shows probably could have gotten the full 65 episodes and possibly a movie. But this Iger era is just nightmarish for EVERYTHING under the Disney banner. I'd say I've never seen incompetence of this level, but then I look over at Warner Bros with David Zaslav practically giddy writing off beloved IPs for the fun of it and has only slowed down cause Senators have started comparing what he's doing to burning down a house for insurance money, which........I have no genuine comparison for.

[@Neeko48]

Honestly the weekly format really works on streaming, look at how popular The Mandalorian was.

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

The streaming bubble is already pop

[@torvovenator]

Streaming is literally killing animated shows. The corporates only cares for the views in the first 2 weeks, if they dont pass the enough views in the first 2 weeks, they cancel it.

[@amphibialover.9125]

Yeah, along with all that ever since Disney+ released in 2019 (holy shit amphibia would be entering kindergarten in September) they still haven’t released like 2 shows (I can remember) on to the platform. Istg penn zero part time hero and Lloyd in space are lost media at this point

[@JustEpic_Yt]

I haven’t heard of Penn zero in a while lol. I remember watching it a lot on Disney xd

[@martinheredia5076]

What have you done Disney what have you done why

[@julioignaciocuetopizarro711]

Las series animadas que Disney Channel brindó terminaron con esos años: Amphibia (2019 - 2022) The Owl House (2020 - 2023) El Fantasma y Molly McGee (2021 - 2024). ¿Qué sucederá después? ¿Hailey será la siguiente? BOO!

[@basilcat3111]

Patoaventuras(2017).

[@rhaeasoul8531]

With the weekly release of shows on streaming don’t forget that the show needs to be near perfect to justify or else people will sign up to stream when the shows out then cancel the service afterwards.

[@martinmoraurena4155]

Screwing over Tv series? Check Screwing over other companies that they bought? Check Screwing over their Mainline movies? Check Screwing over the whole industry and what the companies think will be better for them, Illumination style? Possibly check

[@reignellwalker9755]

i binged all of moon girl season 2, really hope it helps