How DMT DEFIES Reality with Andrew Gallimore

[@drpeterboghossian]

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[@wendyparker5634]

My belief is that consciousness is fundamental, and we are spiritual beings having a human experience. After hearing hundreds of near death experiences (whom also claim that their reality was "more real" than their earthling reality), it appears as though DMT provides a temporary wormhole trip to other dimensional realities.

[@hedonismbot3274]

Yeah went down the same rabbithole. Same belief now. =)

[@wesley6442]

And it shall always remain a "belief" because it only exists within your mind

[@bfboobie]

​@wesley6442 how profound of you. Thanks for laying down your righteous idea of reality

[@shawnlloyd7526]

that's exactly what I would have written :-)

[@opiumcouk]

@@wesley6442 With respect to anything existing outside of the mind, it is true that we only have belief to go on. There is no way to prove the existence of "other dimensions", but of course there is no way to prove the existence of this one either (except to our own satisfaction, because it seems "obvious").

[@iainmcfadyen9197]

Trying to explain a DMT trip is like trying too explain a kaleidoscope too a blind person 😮

[@beekneed]

Great conversation! There were several badly-timed interruptions on Peter's part, where Andrew is just starting to roll up his sleeves and detail something amazing. I couldn't be an interviewer, myself, because I would surely do the same thing, more often. But it Peter will consider holding off a couple more times per interview, it'll keep us hanging happily onto every word. That aside, I enjoyed this conversation SO much and look forward to all your work to come x

[@filminginportland1654]

9:49 I can’t stop laughing. I had to listen five times as I thought he said “escape from creditors” instead of “escape from predators”. And I realized in the current world we’re in, that’s probably the modern equivalent. We’re all trying to escape the creditors one way or another, trading our human energy and life force for money to pay creditors.

[@davidkeaty4581]

So about the what would someone see on dmt if they were blind… I actually found something on that a long time ago cause I’ve wondered myself and I found this story someone told about giving their best friend dmt who was blind from birth and he said while crying “it’s beautiful, it’s so beautiful, is this what color looks like?”

[@relaxmyman3977]

That would actually prove everything

[@crystalmarion5970]

I read that story as well.

[@metoo3318]

Thanks for that conversation, guys ❤

[@drpeterboghossian]

You’re welcome!

[@gtrdaveg]

When I was a kid, I had a Commodore Amiga, and you could get a program that allowed you to interrogate any part of the computer's memory and display it as an image - including the ROM, which was the unwritable part of the Amiga that was the same on all Amigas. Mostly it would just be noise, but occasionally you would get weird patterns that made no sense to me, but looked pretty cool. (We didn't have Netflix in those days...) What if DMT is basically just doing that. It's connecting your consciousness with parts of the brain that it doesn't know how to make sense of, but it spots some patterns and tries to interpret them as best as it can. If the part of the brain that's being interrogated is a core part that all humans share by virtue of being human, that might explain why everyone has a similar experience. Or, you know... aliens...

[@bfboobie]

Have you ever taken DMT?

[@1FiftyOverland]

Interesting theory!

[@tiffanyweisse6544]

Fantastic conversation, thanks.

[@christopher-george]

What an amazing interview ! For sure need to have Andrew Gallimore on again !

[@sdrc92126]

Pictures online of "Biblicaly correct angels" and "machine elves" have a lot of similarities.

[@dimitrishow_D]

Yes bible written by people who did psychedelics

[@systemic_disclosure766]

To quote Terrence McKenna, I'd say, someone who uses DMT more than once a year, is "A HEAVY USER" ~

[@PoliticalDysphoria]

Terrence McKenna used to talk about the DMT beings creating these things, showing him, and then saying "You do it now!", encouraging him to create. I love that.

[@dangauvreau9049]

I remember young when on thc I could hear demons and weird noises not sure if weed can mess up people talking or what but was wild.

[@systemic_disclosure766]

@@dangauvreau9049 @48 yrs old (as a juvenile in the early 90s) I can remember someone talking about a drug called "T" short for THC. They reported it as being similar to L 2 5 and the dosage size about the size of a woodmatch's head. They claimed to have only seen it once. Of course I tried matching the report by smoking copious amounts of hydro (strongest thing on the market back in the day available to the gen/pop. [side note] In my circles there was Skunk and Hydro, everything else came with extra seeds and stems. Needless to say we smoked ourselves straight more times than not. We didn't know (and I still don't) know that if you ate the w e e d it was possible to surpass the effects that smoking would yield. If enough was consumed it was supposed to cause more of a trip. Unfortunely I've never charted those waters. Not even with the variety available nowadays. [back on topic] Ive never came across anything like it. Is it similar to whats referred to as dabs or dabz, or kief? I'm not a fan of cheifin out on the couch comatosed as I find myself after smoking today's varieties. **PLEASE ADVISE**

[@wesley6442]

Honest question here, does that not worry or you or cause you to think that maybe.. it's all in a persons mind? so many people can have different experience when under the influence.. can it not be said it's most likely a hallucination? should we not use science and reason to determine if their truly is a message or something seeking to communicate? gather a general consensus on these experiences? it all seems a matter of personal experience and interpretation, making it stand on shaky foundations and unreliable. So are we saying in order to communicate with the unseen we need to take hallucinogenic substances, doesn't that get you questioning?

[@dimitrishow_D]

Everybody who takes these things as 100% real or 100% hallucinations just don't get it... We don't know...that's the only correct answer

[@InsectElfMachines]

@@wesley6442 Try it for yourself. You’ll be astonished. I would start with psilocybin mushrooms and don’t fiddle with small amounts. The first experience should be a smaller dose (1 gram) The second experience should be (2-3 grams) and by the third experience (5 grams) it’s life changing in the best ways that you could’ve never imagined. For me, it pulled me out of a deep depression. I went blind in one eye, and paralysis in my left hand from a multiple sclerosis diagnosis. I spent years in a horrible depression and contemplated suicide. The mushrooms gave me a clean slate and allowed me to see the world and life in a completely different way. The world is not only stranger than you suppose, it’s stranger than you CAN suppose

[@tomdorman2486]

I don't think this experience can be explained without accepting NDE, OBE, remote viewing, and other experiences that people report. Even taking a hard look at Idealism. I'm trying to understand this with a conventional mindset isn't going to work. OK, great show, so far. You're only 12 minutes in and I had to speak out. 😅

[@akozack]

Google "cia gateway experience". Its declassified documents from experiments during the cold war. Remote viewing, spirit world, hypnosis, etc are all objectively measurable and replicated.

[@shawnlloyd7526]

Exactly!

[@chekitana6978]

Try it yourself. Listen to a guided video on out of body experience. Wear your headphones.

[@tomdorman2486]

@chekitana6978 Yes, thank you. I do, and although that hasn't been successfully I have had two spontaneous obe. That is enough to know. But my efforts are to connect our everyday life and the true reality to be able to explain to my friends and family so we can all grow spiritual. I post about every week trying to convey this message.

[@alexandrazachary.musician]

Lovely! Can I point you to some research by David Dupuis who looks at the intersection of psychedelics, culture and beliefs. The anthropology of these experiences both indigenous and non. Very good work. 🙏🏽❤️ Ps. Sorry if “intersection” has negative connotations 😜

[@TomPerkinsCountry]

GREAT discussion! Absolutely fascinating. SO fun watching your reaction Peter when he’s talking about DMT-X and being in that reality for 30 mins

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[@rodger603]

I'm Christian, and dmt made my faith stronger. It's sacred, and we treat it that way, and I have had God come when I was in trouble and called out to the Creator. Believe what you want, but I know. The Creator rules over all worlds!

[@kevinjarrett879]

57:42 yep. I’ve done 5meo twice. First time was a massive dose and never had done any psychedelic drug prior. I basically died and was infinite consciousness for eternity then came back. Cried in the fetal position for 30 minutes. This was 2 years ago and still think about it daily.

[@lulunicles2866]

Any other details you can share? How did that affect your life? What about the second time?

[@Chimpsquat]

All you have to do with materialists is substitute god and angels with alien intelligences and suddenly they take it seriously, when it could very well be the same things.

[@systemic_disclosure766]

**Epic Content, WELL DONE!** I firmly believe a few things should be mandatory, as a right of passage, (if you will) for the youth (and adults) in America. Before your allowed to vote, drive, perhaps even procreate, in this world gone mad. At least in America, who claims to be the leader of the free world. (in no certain order) 1. Spend at least 18 months living abroad in a 3rd world country (not in N. or S. America) perhaps in the Philippines. 2. Take a few guided trips on mushrooms or their equivalent.(Upon a clean bill of mental health) I admit, trips arent for everyone, but hey, its a helluva lot better than wearing mittens made with Bullet ants. (Optional) 3. Establish a solid POV. No matter what social class you are born into, live as a a native too each class in the caste system. **I personally find it upsetting to know that there's no shortage of opportunities to become addicted to fentanyl or you're more likely to die by accidental exposure to fentanyl than find a safe steady supply of hallucinogens to get to know thyself** Again, I admit DMT is not for everyone, I aliken it to getting a drink from a firehose. It can be dangerous and should be handled with care. However, its much safer than the drugs that are becoming the #1 killer of today's youth. All this suggests one thing, Follow the money! How many DMT junkies are in our prisons? A) ZERO! Use of hallucinogens (of any kind) is closer to going to church than committing crimes! **But there's no money in warehousing psychonauts** **The only people in prisons today, as a direct result of hallucinogens, are all the victims of those caught in federal entrapment stings!** Just saying... (Edit to add ~ For those who arent sure how we got here, or want to know my opinion. The powers that be were threatened back in the days leading up to the counterculture revolution. They didn't like it when their doctrine and dogma was questioned. So they did what any deep state worth their salt would do and made them illegal. The punishment became life in prison. For two joints they tried locking up Timothy Leary up for [a long time]. Then classified as not having any medical benefit to humans. When studies showed, 1 good trip made more progress than 100s of hours spent with a shrink. I see a pattern. That's their preferred method of subjugating the debtslaves)

[@LeylaJ-sl9zn]

On point! Also: Simulation theory = wow, so profound. Creation or a universe with transcendent meaning = Ewww, superstition. It`s kinda funny, actually.

[@Chimpsquat]

Am I too optimistic in feeling like we’re having a Berlin wall moment? Religion was trounced so utterly that now people can start looking at things with fresh eyes?

[@LeylaJ-sl9zn]

@@Chimpsquat Maybe. That`s a possible way to see it and it does indeed make a lot of sense. What slightly annoys me is that a lot of the people who come to this "new look" still insist on holding on to very simplistic not sufficiently complex ideas of religion and religious people. For a lot of such people a "religious attitude" seems almost identical to the views of Midwest-US Evangelicals or Wahhabi Muslim essentialists, something one can easily feel superior to. While there still are plenty of religious traditions (even within the monotheisms Christianity and Islam) that are far more complex and rich in meaning, beauty and philosophical depths. In another podcast interview I actually heard Andrew Gallimore compare his DMT experiences and research insights to ages old Hindu Vedanta ideas. He could also have compared them to Christian theosophists like Meister Eckhart or Jakob Böhme, or to the writings of some Muslim Sufi masters. It`s all there. But in many ways religion has actually trounced itself, no? By marginalizing all of this and then giving birth to all of these modern abominations of scripture literalism and fundamentalism.

[@markmacdonald3260]

All you have to do with theists is substitute anything we don't understand fully and suddenly they take it seriously claiming it's proof of God.

[@PaulFSphere]

Thanks Peter, dialogs with Andrew are super intriguing (to say the least). In regard to the IQ question or recalling/describing the experience, I wonder if bi-lingual/multi-lingual people have a possible advantage for recall/describing (neuroplasticity). Or, in lucid dreaming training, dream recall skills. Cheers :)

[@emmanuelmwape4560]

I saw landscapes that where so colorful, colors that are not in this world, so beautiful, creature that where indescribably incredibly dexterous. When I came back to normal, I could not even visualize what I saw, I struggle to reconstruction what I say. So when I was high again, I started recording in the diary for half an hour. But when I came to again , I had only written one sentence which I could not read

[@paddydiddles4415]

30:32 the fact that you can experience it - is by definition a proof that your brain can construct it. The fact that it is very different from a normal dream-state is not evidence that it is truly alien to the brain. It is somewhat irrational to assert this woo explanation when there are many other possibilities to explore

[@Jimmy-vn9hv]

I agree. It's like when people say "natural" like chemicals are "unnatural" . It's my view there is nothing supernatural, supernormal perhaps.

[@wesley6442]

Exactly, my guys.. it's a fucking hallucination lol we don't model our reality based on what our brain "imagines" during a trip, we use science to give an accurate understanding, machine elves, DMT entities and all that is just wishful thinking that something bigger is going on, besides does that make ANY sense to anyone?

[@wesley6442]

@@Jimmy-vn9hv Well here is the thing even if things appear strange and people label it as "supernatural" it is still a part of the natural world lol and just because we don't understand a thing doesn't mean it's unexplainable or from god or aliens.. it just means we need to study it more.. this type of thinking is archaic and sets us back hundreds of years. Back to a time people believed in curses and witches.. and that's a shame for humanity's collective intelligence and an insult to the pioneers in science and established education

[@chekitana6978]

@@wesley6442 Do some more research

[@DWKThedogbreaths]

Andrew comes from a very mainstream position regarding consciousness, his training and education provides the theoretical framework for this. But if consciousness was not a construction of chemistry in the brain, but a result of the brain tuning into it, the replication of similar experiences among different cultures could be explained. The molecule would then be a key into a different tuning of consciousness, a separate channel where these entities reside, rather than the 'usual' conscious experience our waking and dream states tune into. Until the hard question of consciousness is answered we can only speculate about what consciousness is.

[@Stream_King]

There are many instances of people who have had near death experiences, who were also blind from birth, reporting seeing their surroundings.

[@1FiftyOverland]

How do they know they saw their surroundings? They dont know what thier surroundings actually look like.

[@Stream_King]

@@1FiftyOverland Search for this. Near death and out of body experiences in the blind: A study of apparent eyeles vision. Kenneth Ring, Ph.D.", Sharon Cooper, MA

[@maga1475]

Lol Imagine UFOs are just aliens tripping under DMT and exploring this crazy realm we call reality

[@eurasia57]

There are recent results in "real-time decoding of images from brain activity" using MEG and deep learning that could be valuable in this context (an image says more than a thousand words). According to Penrose and Hameroffs Orch-Or hypothesis, consiousness is a quantum phenomenon occuring in the tubulines of the neurons cyto-skeleton. As an anesthesiologist Hameroff tells us that the mode of action of anesthetics is to turn off precisely this quantum activity while leaving normal neural function uninhibited, one could surmise that DMT and psychedelics then turn on this activity. As a quantum phenomenenon consiousness has the inherent property of being non-local, opening the door to a multitude of speculations about where the signals come from.

[@RazzoDazzoShazazzo]

I've never heard of them referred to as tubulines, just microtubules. Was that a typo or another name for them? If I understand it correctly all of our cells have these tryptophan based microtubules form, which are like tunnels within cellular communication and modification, and yeah, that whole quantum based consciousness theory is pretty interesting with what they're speculating on thus far. Will be interesting to see more studies and tests funded in regards to that perspective.

[@RazzoDazzoShazazzo]

Check out Anton Petrov's "Experimental Evidence No One Expected! Is Human Consciousness Quantum After All?" video for the latest update I've seen on this theory

[@eurasia57]

@@RazzoDazzoShazazzo Yes, microtubules, sorry. Tubulin is the protein they are made of.

[@Wingedmagician]

I genuinely love this so so much thank you (I hope you have him on again!)

[@AmateurMystic]

I enjoyed Andrew’s brief Terence McKenna impression. Spot on! 😂🤙🏽 All together, a great interview.

[@Hazel_Mazel_Lay]

Peter I love your stuff, and now this! New level of awesome, thank you

[@UrbanPovertist]

I wonder if the entities have been compared to the Monroe Institute entities from the Hemi Sync process?

[@intothevortexwithdatorsapi4192]

I wondered the same thing?? Fascinating!!

[@gtrdaveg]

All I'm hearing is, "I'm not saying it's aliens, but..."

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[@DonBean-ej4ou]

How many times was Dawkins referred to in this podcast?

[@v2ike6udik]

dawkins is 666 guy, he is a mösön satanist, he actually knows very well about the demonic real, he´s job is keep everyone making the same mistakes, so when lifereview happens demons gaslight you incarnater back in here.

[@rickmitchell8979]

I'm all in for this experiment.

[@Mark22-s1s]

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[@soulmaster-7]

I've never taken isolated DMT, so I've never had a breakthrough, but I have taken Ayahuasca very often, especially the strong Yagé from Colombia. As much as I appreciate the visions and the communication with the spiritual world, the energy that rushes through my body, for hours, often overwhelms me. Is it the same with DMT, this energetic overload?

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[@mrnickderaiche]

Any links to the person Boghossian mentioned, how not seeking across vast distances but instead “shrinking down” might be easier and less energy intensive? I can’t remember his name.

[@stubbornolgoat]

They don't defy reality. They transcend it.

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[@kenergy5847]

For a few years now, I have been wondering about our first few months and possibly longer, after birth. Most have no recollection of it. Have we just come from the DMT world? It's so radically different, that it takes such time to make sense of what our brain is being fed?

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[@isaklytting5795]

Peter is asking all the right questions. It's good that he's skeptical and keeping questioning what he's experiencing. I noticed the scientist was really pretty desperately trying to find similarities of shamans of other cultures of former centuries to the reported experiences of pure DMT he is familiar with or has focused in on, whereas Peter isn't like that at all. I still don't understand how saying "reality is a model in your brain" isn't a paradox. I don't see how one would ever be able to go outside that model, and hence the idea of a model is just circular logic. The scientist interviewed is saying stuff like "we know what's real because the sensory data and the data in the brain align." But wait! The the "sensory data" is something you only know about through your model! It's still INSIDE your model. You would have no way of ever referring to something outside your model and know if it referred to anything "real." So radical Pyrrhonian skepticism still holds. You can't say anything about anything. About the ontological or epistemological status of anything. It's all circular. Only when you suspend judgment can you do anything.

[@Earthad23]

Rationalism tells us that the universe is energy, mass, momentum etc, and yet we never notice the peculiar enigma posed by asking the question, WHOS LOOKING? - Terence McKenna

[@AndyJarman]

This conversation makes me feel decidedly Hobbit like. Happy living in the Shire Frodo.

[@nickmills8476]

Fascinating topics. Never done any psychedelic. I wonder what or if there is a connection with the subconscious. This is another area that has always seemed amazing to me. How I might have deep thoughts or questions and they will be communicated to me by “external” events, synchronicity. Also, how often external events actually contain messages that are analogous to subconscious messages that are important in the day to day life, but definitely not in an obvious linear way.

[@intothevortexwithdatorsapi4192]

Yes it activates your subconscious mind as well as your superconscious mind. The Trinity of Minds all unify to become 'one mind' and become coherent within the Hyperspace Field of Entities. You and the Entities are 'one' whilst having this experience as they merge minds with you psychically and telepathically. They show you the unity of all things... I have done just over 100 doses of NN-DMT over a 4 year period and all I can say is "that Hyperspace Realm" is FAR, FAR more 'real' and you are FAR more lucid in that Greater Reality than anything I have ever experienced here on earth in what we term "waking consciousness." From what I personally experienced that Hyperspace Realm was the 'Greater Reality' meaning we are more 'sleeping' or 'dreaming' in our 'waking states' of consciousness here and now as compared to a far, far richer, wider, broader, more 'real' feeling multidimensional realm in DMT Hyperspace. The most BIZZARR experience I ever had was during a high dose experience when even the DMT Hyperspace Realm was "ruptured" or "torn" by GIGANTIC Extra Terrestrials made entirely of Light who all poked their three x undescribable heads in to "examine me" before stitching back up the tear in the Hyperspace Fabric to leave me to get on with the experience!! That was the last time I did DMT! That showed me this rabbit hole goes even deeper in our Fractal Hollographic Reality!! Those 4 years opened me up permanently to the Spirit Realm in so many ways. You are changed for life after just 1 dose... After 100 + doses you never ever need to touch the stuff again in your life because you can only seem to learn so much at atime before you need to integrate the information given by the Entities. I hope this helps 🙏

[@BFrazier411]

I really liked the thought experiment about if a person with congenital blindness could possibly gain the ability to construct a visual model of a psychedelic world, and if that happened you argue they would not be able to tell you that they are seeing something because they would have no frame of reference for what sight even is. But my first thought is how that person would likely know that they are blind, thus knowing that they experience the world with 4 out of normally 5 senses. Wouldn't that person be able to realize in that condition how they are sensing the world with a separate and unique sense compared to their normal state and then deduce that this seemingly new 5th sense must be sight, because they know it is not any of the other four senses they are used to experiencing?

[@smokeydapot]

I thought the exact same. If I suddenly could sense the earths magnetic field, I might not know what to call the sense, but I’d definitely know something new is happening.

[@zack203ct]

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[@dimitrishow_D]

I have noticed that AI has a lot in common with DMT...the way it works they way Claude described itself...also the trippy ai videos come closest to what I see on Dmt... I think we might be AI

[@Pwecko]

Is the world you enter when using DMT the same every time you take it, or is it a different world each time?

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[@nickmills8476]

Also, regarding our perception of reality vs. what actually “is”, and the work of Donald Hoffman. Could it be that DMT, actually offers a more direct view of the “reality” that Donald Hoffman alludes to?

[@phantomhawk01]

Direct view definitely no, t the experience is still using the brain for modulation, in Donald Hoffman's fram the headset is still in use and that gives us 0% chance that we will perceive reality as it is. However if you conceive of the brain as a filter of reality that also constructs our our world model then perhaps DMT is like manipulation of the control settings, and even completely bypassing in some cases, so we may be filtering lees information.

[@nickmills8476]

@@phantomhawk01 yes, filtering less information is actually what I was alluding to.

[@ThePerceptionist]

I wonder if the "trip" is not just our perception of how plants communicate

[@scottmiles2275]

Andrew either misunderstands what Peter meant about finding a way to test his hypothesis, or he is just avoiding the issue because he's so enamored with his belief. You need something more than 'I can't explain something, so I'm just going to go with a magical/supernatural explanation.'

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[@wesley6442]

People want to believe there is something grander going on, I don't understand why people can't just accept nor see that it just is.. yeah, it's incredible that we exist, that any of this exists it's fascinating.. but let's be realistic.. no intelligence is behind any of this shit show lol

[@smokeydapot]

@@wesley6442 Curious, what about this place being a “shitshow” precludes the possibility of any intelligence existing outside of our immediate perception? I don’t get how you can logically make that conclusion.

[@sunbrown8536]

very interesting. but shouldn't the simplest possible answer be examined before "far out" ones? such as these are plant sourced compounds operating as it might in an animal brain and generating varied "weird" outputs framed within the person's experiences and so on. and not a psychic conduit to "another quantum world"? (not adverse to trying dmt)

[@Puzzlesocks]

Exactly this. If we make the assumption that our perceptions under the effects of intense drugs are actually revealing hidden reality... well, let's just say it's not a good one. Why would it be any different from interacting with figments of my imagination during a lucid dream? I mean then we can get into the superstition of a dream world, but that's just leading to infinite generation of justifications and fabrications to justify a claim whose only evidence is personal experience. Very Life of Brian.

[@Gingerblaze]

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[@jimb9063]

It does seem quite the conclusion to jump to. Might be correct, but how is it falsifiable? For someone to point out that the model we build with input from our senses to form our "real" world isn't truly what's necessarily "there", asserting that there's probably other "things" there too sounds a little off. Like a telescope, I accept it might be the case that using an object or substance might help you see things that are "there" but weren't visible before. Trouble is in this case, how do you tell if it's a telescope or a collider scope you're looking through?

[@DonBean-ej4ou]

If there are multiple objects in multiple dimensions surrounding me all the time why don't I ever bump into them.

[@AndyJarman]

​@@DonBean-ej4ouyou do, it's just you explain it or ignore it.

[@TimCCambridge]

~Hi. Thanks for this. Conscious dreaming? Dreams appear as an infinite realm with infinite characters, so one can dream the impossible. Unlock the dream door to the waking mind; one can believe almost anything.

[@UrbanPovertist]

I have actually reached a border limit in dreams. It resembled something like a video game world edge. And adding to that. In my memory I recognize a path o road I know will lead to a specific place, but in the dream it somehow loops back to where I started

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@PHILLSMYCO2, is the handle?…

[@nicoledickens2366]

49:29 omg! You're my mantis dad in my space dnd game! I'm a space archeologist, with a love of old films, and infected with a dimensional zombie virus to which I am immune, and my mantis dad, who is actual an ethereal alien rescued me from my ravaged zombie planet and gave me my bio-engineered power armor. And that's just the set up! 30 years of dnd is a long time and the same old forest crawl just don't cut it.

[@valkhem]

Incredibly interesting subject matter, specially as a test environment for developing an alternative theory about the true nature of our perceived reality. The onthological perspective about an altered state of consciousness that shows consistency according to participants of the experience, seems like DMT is blocking something in our brain chemistry that allows the experiencer to bypass the consciouss mind filter and have complete access to the “archetype dimension” within our subconscious mind, almost like bypassing a critical subroutine in the creation of the conscious experience of the self. Or like changing the script of a NDE where the experiencer is no longer exposed to the same archetypes and instead makes contact with “program agents” acting as the true gatekeepers of the infinite and almighty “reality engine” responsible for the procedural generation of our own perceived reality. Definitively one of the more exciting fields of study within modern neuroscience; I wonder what would happen if you combine this kind of altered states of consciouness with advanced techniques of biofeedback and guided hypnosis, perhaps even with cutting edge VR technology as a “control layer/guiding system”. It seems to me like the comsuption of the DMT molecule is only the starting point in the exploration of this vast inner universe.

[@nbeizaie]

About blind people, there are a couple of blind people who have had an NDE and they had visual experience. Blind people can still say they have seen color (even though they might not know the name) the same way any other NDErs saying they are colors they can't explain.

[@canonaler]

Source?

[@nbeizaie]

@@canonaler source for blind people? Just do a google search and you can find a couple.

[@smokeydapot]

@@canonaler There’s a huge NDE database I’ve looked through before online. Just google NDE database, I forgot the name of it.

[@v2ike6udik]

@@canonaler haha. scared to know that you live in hell, huh?

[@foxmulderfbiufo1770]

After my first time using DMT I had an overwhelming feeling that it was some type of forbidden technology it was a he most beautiful experience I've ever had

[@4D2M0T]

31:55 Not true, there is absolutely a chance of you taking control, infact it is often offered and encouraged

[@rmurray8913]

So good!! Thank you lads wonderful work

[@michaeladams819]

The morphing fractal fabric and the emerging of these entities seem to be consistent among experiences.

[@excellentcomment]

I really like it when my brain constructs interiors done by Alex Papachristides or Mario Buatta. 🎉

[@stephenkennedy4468]

Triaging trip reports one of the curious hallucinations is DXM in a black room, whole lives in other realities.

[@SFDarkAngel]

Bernardo Kastrup is the man to ask these questions to!

[@knifeski]

I agree,

[@kentvanschuyler9520]

RUPERT SHELDRAKE+++

[@jimBobuu]

I'm holding out on DMT; it's not worth the risk of loosing my job. However, even in retirement I don't know if I'd go through with it. I'd like to try at that time, but I might chicken out. My understanding is that it affects the part of the brain that processes as "the self". I may (probably) be wrong about that, I'm an avionics tech, not a doctor after all. However, if my underatanding is correct, the thought of losing my "self" in such a process is terrifying! I like me! A lot! I'm not wholly convinced that the experience isn't created by the brain with no external influence either. The descriptions I've heard sound similar to an occular migraine, just a lot more of it. The only way I would know is to try. So.... I hope one day to have the courage to try when I have no other obligatiins that have a higher priority (such as a great job that I enjoy) but I can't say I'll go through with it until I'm in the hut with the shaman. Thanks for letting me (and thousands of other people) in on a wonderful conversation. I really enjoyed it!

[@kevinsedwards]

Dmt isn't going to cause you to lose your job it's not even tested for lol

[@jimBobuu]

@@kevinsedwards it's listed as a no-no for us. I have no idea if it's tested for or if it can be tested for. With my limited skill set, taking that risk is a bit much for me! I'm old(er), never went to college, been doimg the same job for over 30 years, and it's a very nice gig with great pay. I'd be bagging groceries if I lost it. So until I retire, which isn't that far off, I'll play it super safe. :-)

[@Harry_Eyeball]

​@@jimBobuu DMT is out of your system an hour or so after vaporizing! Unless you're getting drug tested as you're on dmt, you got nothing to worry about

[@michaela6073]

@@Harry_Eyeballit has still yet to be tested, it’s still only a hypothesis

[@kevinsedwards]

@@jimBobuu nobody. tests. for. dmt. LOL

[@weazeravalon1]

Machine elves.. There is nothing wrong with your television. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are now controlling the transmission. We control the horizontal and the vertical...

[@user-hb1yo5ep9y]

Here is the place where DOUBT becomes a WEAPON against its own weilders❤

[@jmgmarcus808]

About to go to bed.....Machine Elves......me: ok, I can make some time.

[@Meta4Monky]

Frontier science is the best. Exciting psychedelic times.

[@StephenPaulKing]

We need fMRI scoping during the experiment. We could see the flows in the brain.

[@wavesindustry2439]

Peter You might have what prof. Corrado Malanga call active alien memory you should check him out..

[@charliebad]

Serious question. Done a dozen+ times but always with eyes open, so the electric plastic lego world hits and tv changes to cartoon djs etc, what am i missing from laying back and closing my eyes apart from the patterns.....? Is that where our friends introduce themselves? And yes I've jumped a few stages from the initial lego world to some boosts to casino style wonderments. I hope this question makes sense to people. Cheers and best wishes.

[@charliebad]

Kinda answered immediately after posting at 1:14:00

[@jamesstaggs4160]

People see the "DMT entities"constantly shifting with their bodies always taking on new shapes and see that as impossible and fantastic. That's happening to everything you see right now, it's just not happening in a way that you can visually process. It's perfectly normal for a being or an environment to be in a constant state of change, we're just used to it happening at certain speeds and in certain ways that don't generally get picked up by our eyes.

[@Raulpinklet]

Big pharma been lying to us for decades, psychedelics are the only actual remedy that eased my depression and anxiety. I can point u 2 dis dude who delivers em to my address with no hassle, he's operations are secured an ship's discreetly local or across borders `

[@Raulpinklet]

*@Devontrips ¿*

[@Raulpinklet]

On telegram & instagram

[@JacobBiondo]

I’m curious about your thoughts on the notion that DMT and near death experiences reflect certain characteristics of religious traditions.

[@bfboobie]

Religious traditions are largely based on psychedelic drug rituals in the first place. "Christ" or "christening" literally refers to drug use

[@473mishke]

I think the biggest fear surrounding DMT is the fear of psychological damage, not brain damage. At least, that's the case for me.

[@pseudonymous8702]

I'm afraid to take it because I have had unpleasant trips with acid full of terror and I am fearful of similar feelings and experiences.

[@stephensinilas8611]

@@pseudonymous8702very different compounds. But i understand. Maybe start low. In a safe set and setting? Dmt lasts 6-7 minutes. And sober as a judge. Its nothing like lsd. But a bit more like mushrooms* Its exactly as described. I also have had a bad mushroom trip. However. It is the trip im most grateful for. The lesson was to appreciate this “mundane, rigid and boring” dual plane And recognize it is actually utopia compared to whats possible lol. God is great! 😂

[@kevinsedwards]

It's shocking for sure. Had a trip last month been scared to do it again since but not in a bad way

[@michaela6073]

@@stephensinilas8611in my experience you cannot compare mushrooms to DMT. They are two different categories

[@brittanyjohnson9408]

You Def want to let go of all fear before you try it and hopefully I can help by reassuring you that immediately after my trip which was under 10 min, I was fully back to normal, no aftereffects at all besides just being in awe at what I just seen and constantly asking myself how the hell that just happened.

[@markmacdonald3260]

Fascinating talk and subject. The only thing I think it could be is similar to the grey man who appears with low frequency sound and to subjects wearing the god helmet and the similarity in experience maybe down to takers of DMT expecting to meet these beings perhaps.

[@Raulpinklet]

Big pharma been lying to us for decades, psychedelics are the only actual remedy that eased my depression and anxiety. I can point u 2 dis dude who delivers em to my address with no hassle, he's operations are secured an ship's discreetly local or across borders "

[@Raulpinklet]

Dude is on telegram and instagram as

[@Raulpinklet]

*@Devontrips (")*

[@StephenPaulKing]

Could the DMT universe be a Phase inversion of the Observables? If the brain can implement a quantum coherence and "smear it out in time", for non-trivial durations, then the evolution of the Hamiltonians can be shifted, this is a duality, no?

[@paddydiddles4415]

47:30 a commonality of experience wouldn’t be evidence of an external entity because this is also consistent with collective unconscious

[@canonaler]

But the collective unconscious itself is not a scientific concept and is immeasurable

[@eurasia57]

Indeed. It is sometimes difficult to distinguish metaphor, or model from reality, I'd say both of them are models. I googled "what is real" and found a Philip K. Dick quote: "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away." Makes me remember a trip from the youth (LSD) where after dissolving into the environment a language meltdown occurred as if the "semantic glue" between words disappeared turning thoughts (and models) into gibberish leaving only "the eye" watching the collapse, so I had to assume that if nothing else observation was real. With restored language faculties observation can be translated to the possibility-of-a-difference or technically the bandwidth defining Alice and Bob.

[@heatfield4243]

Very interesting conversation about a difficult to fathom drug experience. Many proponents of DMT use suggest or state that there is 'knowledge' to learn from the DMT experience or meeting the machine elves. What is this knowledge? Other than reality is strange, what other 'knowledge' has been obtained?

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[@ervinacadenamayonga]

@PHILLSMYCO2, is the handle?..

So funny how many people are afraid of the ultimate mystery. You can’t comment until you have been properly dosed.

[@jayjaydubful]

I am working with a girl who plans to end her life the week after next & I think she will do it. Shes tried anti depressants & therapy & there is nothing else the conventional systems can do for her. I wish she could try this

[@Anne_Onymous]

She did Ketamine therapy?

[@jayjaydubful]

@@Anne_Onymous no, there are no novel treatments available

[@Anne_Onymous]

@@jayjaydubful Why aren't other treatment options be available to her what's the problem?

[@jayjaydubful]

@@Anne_Onymous the health service don't offer anything else

[@eggheadusa9900]

@@jayjaydubful Get her to the Amazon. She will fall through the void begging to come back lol

[@Jules-Is-a-Guy]

Pls also have on neuroscientist Anil Seth, he's super interesting on this general topic.

[@v2ike6udik]

he is super stupid.

[@plasmonk3y]

Is the DMT world AI?

[@paddydiddles4415]

52:30 even with ‘regular’ psychedelic experience there is a release of a highly creative visual and conceptual space, but this is not considered evidence of ‘alien command theory’. DMT experience could be considered a natural extension of the ‘regular’ psychedelic space by virtue of it having more intense elements. So again, why are we required to believe that this is something qualitatively different?

[@wesley6442]

People are tripping, end of story no meaning behind it lol it's really that simple, nothing to see here folks

[@GeeTrieste]

24:55 "Is it real, is not the question to ask" Why not? That is the question I want answered. Don't change my question.

[@paddydiddles4415]

44.50 by differentiating between a blind vs sighted experience, he is conceding that it is in fact an experience generated by the brain - which negates his own logic that this is evidence of a ‘directed dream’

[@wicky4473]

I thought Andrew said, ‘…escape from creditors.’

[@ervinacadenamayonga]

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[@ervinacadenamayonga]

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[@jambec144]

"With DMT, set and setting are irrelevant." Well, that's disappointing to hear. The three times that I tried it were horrifying, nightmarish experiences. I was hoping that this was simply due to my current horrible life situation, and that I could try again when things get better for me.

[@chekitana6978]

A Shaman is essential

[@jambec144]

@@chekitana6978 An experienced guide: probably. Some self-declared "shaman"? Some doofus banging on a drum? I think not.

[@Robert-Downey-Syndrome]

I hope you try again to get David Starkey.

[@ervinacadenamayonga]

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[@michaelt1775]

I wonder what reality actually is. It's not what we see in the day to day waking world, and it's not the dmt experience, but it's not,not those either. It's both but also something completely different. One day, we will all get to see reality for what it really is.

[@Unkn0wn1133]

Imagine combining the dmt diffusion with the new technology that can transmit images or words from your mind into images or text on a screen 😮

[@fpalisse]

Peter please speak to Bernardo Kastrup your dmt experience will make more sense through the lens of analytical idealism.

[@ervinacadenamayonga]

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[@justasimpleguy7211]

It's all experience. The big question - the real question - is what *_knows_* experience, including the experience of a DMT trip? I can't speak to the DMT experience but I can speak to LSD and psilocybin including heroic doses. I can also speak to meditation, very deep meditation and I can speak to the waking equivalent of a lucid dream. What *_knows_* all of these experiences as well as mundane experience? You do, but what exactly *_are_* you (Nan Yar?)?

[@QuietPerfection]

be still and knooowwwww.....

[@AndyJarman]

I think that's where the very rational concern about this arises from. If this is deranging your perception it is getting close, very close to the watcher that watches. I do think that is a very very dangerous thing to do if you value your sense of yourself as an integrated reliable entity. Surely death is nothing if not the loss of the identity as an individual.

[@justasimpleguy7211]

@@AndyJarman Too late and getting a glimpse beyond the veil reveals the most incredible slight of hand ever. 🙂 Or it's a product of a mind deranged from too much meditation, consciousness studies & Eastern philosophy, especially Advaita Vedanta (non-dual Vedanta). LOL!

[@Vib.H]

Well, what do blind people experience on DMT?

[@TheVigilantEye77]

DONT INTERRUPT

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

Im really curious to try dmt or ayahuasca. To unlock unblock, maybe find a connection to the universe, a meaning maybe. Or a feeling of life energy idk.

[@ervinacadenamayonga]

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[@dimitrishow_D]

Make it

[@GeeTrieste]

Andrew Gallimore is most comfortable not answering the direct question Peter keeps asking him. Peter asks him a direct question about the independent reality of the experiences, and how to prove it. Andrew dodges the question with babblespeak, and funneled conversation to the subjective, mixed with premise science of mind and neurology. Everything to pin it down to a definitive proof experiment is slipped out of by oratory, avoided by desultory exposition.

[@MeredithRothman-db6wf]

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[@MeredithRothman-db6wf]

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[@MeredithRothman-db6wf]

@PHILLSMYCO2, is the handle?.

Sounds like you never tried it and never will. Enjoy the Mundane !

[@GeeTrieste]

The sounds of silence, is not the silence of sound.

[@TheVigilantEye77]

Tapping into structures preserved from dinosaur age ?

[@4D2M0T]

Maybe machine elves are the trickster Jungian unconscious archetype. Maybe dmt in general lets us connect with the unconscious archetypes, the mother seems to be in there also

[@countofdownable]

Maybe Machine Elves are an outside sapent intelligence or maybe they just are a purely internal product of the brain.

[@UrbanPovertist]

What about something like Adam Ant and Wasp Man quantum world?

[@wesley6442]

Internal product of the brain, which is blatantly obvious lol

[@mariusmarius4832]

The difference is that if there is a real tiger in the room you are lunch... .i think that should be pretty obvious to anyone right...?

[@MeredithRothman-db6wf]

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[@MeredithRothman-db6wf]

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[@MeredithRothman-db6wf]

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[@tonystewart7624]

I hate seeing those stupid posts on videos surrounding this subject. It's always sad to see so many people asking about how to reach them and how reliable the "SOURCES" are.....lol​@@MeredithRothman-db6wf

[@mcbattles]

Based on what? You can exist in the DMT space and get eaten by a panther or strangled by a boa and devoured. It doesn't seem hallucinated. It feels as real as this life. Who's to say if you get mauled by a tiger in this realm, you don't just wake up in another?

[@SomeNavyGuy]

At 10:00 to 12:00 Andrew makes comments about how it's confounding, but I feel like he's really trying to give too much credit to the value and validity of the use of this drug. His example of someone with a fever hallucinating about a tiger in the room being identical in how it's perceived when there really is a tiger in the room is only valid when the tiger isn't eating your face off. When it is, the real tiger makes you faceless and the hallucination doesnt. Reality isn't all in our head as he suggests.