The Politicization of Therapy with Andrew Hartz, Ph.D.

[@drpeterboghossian]

Watch this episode with Exulansic next: kzbin.infovGwskSzTJ1w

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

I work for 988 as a crisis counselor. Have been doing it for 10 years, I'm one of the best at my line. Have I EVER given care differentially based on a person's immutable characteristics? Nope. We are all PEOPLE. Emphasizing our common humanity is the ONLY WAY out of this identarian hellscape. God help us.. and our field.

[@jayjaydubful]

I want that on a t-shirt- Emphasising our common humanity is the only way out of this identitarian hellscape

[@renacleerican7824]

We are NOT all people though. Earth is not a spielberg's movie.

[@The_ScapeGoat]

Yeah, but [insert group here] has a different experience of society. Therefore, they should be treated differently.

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

Apologies for my multiple comments. My reaction to wokeness in mental health has been incredibly visceral. May God bless PB, AH, and all those who are pushing back against this ugly, dehumanizing ideology.

[@cnrspiller3549]

Woke is cultural socialism on steroids. All forms of socialism are dehumanising. These woke socialists predicate their various houses of cards on the assumption that humans are nought but fungible blobs of humanity. There are no individuals, only groups.

[@griffinsdad9820]

I do the same thing

[@ScottNormanRosenthal]

Oppose our agenda, we'll label you "mentally ill."

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

​@@griffinsdad9820ditto

[@danx1216]

What are the feelings you can’t tolerate And how are you operating to distort reality

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

It is utterly HEARTBREAKING to see a field so completely devoted to studying the INDIVIDUAL in all of their complexity fall victim to groupthink and identarian flattening of the self...

[@heatfield4243]

You said it well. It is also disgusting.

[@OrwellsHousecat]

Therapy, and it's analogs, has always been a tool of Statecraft.

We saw it coming decades ago. The field didn't fall into any traps, it chose to go that route en masse.

[@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858]

Let not your heart be broken. Wisdom is of a higher order than love, and guides it. For love will find itself in the most dark places, being unable to judge. It is precisely this "weakness" of love that is manipulated by others. But ATTACHMENT TO OUTCOMES leads you to becoming "karmically" trapped. Simply take the actions you deem best. That is all you can do. There is no need to whimper. You cannot be hurt; but by your own allowance. Peter exemplifies when I'm saying very well. L

[@anhumblemessengerofthelawo3858]

​@@OrwellsHousecat Right. That's why the guest mentioned Cognitive Behavioral Therapy as being the most widely used form of therapy. That should tell you something. You can do more using _hypnosis_ in one session then you can and months of CBT. Hypnosis works, so you don't hear about it. A good author on the rhetoric of psychotherapy and mental illness is Thomas Szasz. Very entertaining writer. Or, for healing addiction, Ibogaine. It works. There are cures for many things, just like there is technology for energy that is withheld.

[@AndyJarman]

In Australia the Australian Medical Association (AMA) has gone woke - it denies doctors the ability to prescribe therapy that runs counter to both the "trans" cult and Pfizer's cash cow. As a consequence a separate association has been set up for heretics the Australian Medical Professional Society (AMPS). Unfortunately pro trans cult therapy is compulsory in all Australian states except Western Australia. In Western Australia a new bill is currently being formulated to align the state with the rest of the countey. This will criminalise therapy, and parents who deny a child's access to wrong sex hormones, puberty destroyers and radical experimental surgery.

[@Orson2u]

Australia- imitating Trudeau’s Canada, but slowly.

[@abcdeshole]

You’re catching up to Canada! Already criminalized Canadawide.

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

As a fellow Australian, thank you for this overview. I still keep hoping our country hasn't got as cray zee as it has, but, unfortunately it has. Long story, I've been a client of the psych industry for over 40 years (childhood trauma), and, long story short, most of the "professionals" have been doing a con job on their clients since then. Once you become their client, they lose dollars as soon as they get you "clear" mentally, so there's no dollar incentive to help you get mentally healthy in the shortest possible time. I once saw a psychiatrist in a small country town (I'd been on his waiting list 12 weeks). At my first session, he literally said: "I've got a job in 6 weeks in Sydney, so I'd normally see you for the typical 8 sessions, but you've seen so many shrinks (this is the actual word he used) over the years, we can do this in two (yes, 2) sessions, and, yes, we did.

[@johnnyecoman9121]

​@carolynbrightfield8911 lol. I just saw a vid that says manual used short term therapy is both useless and the gold standard treatment. The professionals are raking it in.

[@sarahhale-pearson533]

I’m so sorry. As a Canadian I feel a kinship with you…it is shite here too.

[@alexandrazachary.musician]

I have to say that the replication crisis, methodological problems, p-hacking, and philosophy of science have all been discussed quite thoroughly in the psychology degree that I’m doing here in Australia (I’m in 4th year). And my uni is renowned for being pretty WOKE overall. And in my social psych units, that tend to push a constructivist agenda, I was genuinely encouraged to counter those views as long as I argued well with decent evidence. Just wanted to give a little hope here 🙏🏽❤️

[@MaxBrix]

That is good to hear, thanks.

[@Orson2u]

Freudian bio-centrism would be more benign!

[@eeronat]

Being able to argue the counterpoint with decent evidence and well-formulated arguments is a start but they should also require the same of those who agree with the dominant narrative.

[@CognitiveDissident-b7m]

Mass delusion, cognitive dissonance & confirmation bias allow academics & uni depts to look past all that & continue enforced ideological conformity without comprehending the irony or incongruity

[@dontarguewithidiots7459]

I LOVE Andrew Hartz! First saw him on The Radical Center. He strikes me as very warm, compassionate, and intelligent. :)

[@Rainbow_with_slowfeet]

Fear of being cancelled has has evolutionary roots - fear of being a expelled from the tribe

[@CaFe73100]

That's how Abraham started though

[@kabirdas2786]

Moreso Marxist roots - Mao's cultural revolution

[@nonielevi3901]

As a Marriage and Family Therapist for the last 30 years I loved what Andrew said about therapist not getting there own therapy. So many professionals I’ve met have never done any except the required 30 hours while getting your masters degree confounds me. “The cobble has no shoes.” Be sure to ask people you are looking to do therapy with if they have done and continue to do their own therapy. If they don’t, keep looking! Love your conversations Peter!

[@garyweglarz]

I retired as a clinical social worker back in 2014. Before retirement I gladly mentored a young trans-male therapist.. It is stunning to me to realize that I would likely be sanctioned by my licensing body and professional organization for simply believing that biological sex exists and is an important aspect of our humanity - or for daring to question the nonsensical evidence free ideological assertions of Critical Race Theory. I spent 40 years in the field in a wide range of contexts, and I am appalled to see how far down the post-modern ideological rabbit hole my profession has managed to free-fall.

[@07wrxtr1]

I think we have a Malthusian death cult at the helm… James Lindsey has some wonderful work on the UN 17 sustainability goals that cover this topic

[@jasonromaine]

Minute 49:30 Anxiety is a byproduct of being in an abusive relationship. DEI is an abusive parent, and it forces all its children (us) to live in constant anxiety. The irony is, the abuser has constant anxiety because they think about themselves all the time, the abused take on that anxiety because they must always think about the abuser. So when someone has constant anxiety, they are either the abuser or the abused. Peter is the latter. Abusers must make YOU feel THEIR feelings. This is why everyone is now anxious. DEI says "feel our feelings all the time or we will destroy you."

[@marcoemiliovalle7708]

Well said!!

[@07wrxtr1]

It’s like how abused kids trauma bond with their corporate jobs later in life… I actually think that corporations want people who don’t know who they are and they lack boundaries Then the abusive company can act like a cult Then people attempt to cope by chaining themselves to debt and checklist relationships that are also unhealthy Existential and ontological crisis This is why people defend corporations like they ARE their “family” after ditching their actual family… It’s wild!!!

[@DepDawg]

@@07wrxtr1 yes, excellent analysis!

[@07wrxtr1]

@@DepDawg and dont' forget- they also join cults... Bet you can name a few cults masquerading as political ideologies ;-)

[@DepDawg]

@@07wrxtr1 yes, ANTIFA and BLM

[@AndyJarman]

The lymbic system of the beain preloads a freeze, flight, fight or fawn response to any threat. People use their lymbic system as go to guidance doe the most appropriate reaction to take in a low information threatwning environment. Trauma and more subtle peer conditioning over extended periods can alter the lymbic response, but you will always have a lymbic response. Liberalism has trainwd people NOT to be suapucious of strangers, not to doubt the strange views of aurhority figures. It's not as if people are malfunctioning, they are operating in a dysfunctional environment.

[@willmercury]

Limbic.

[@petersjj]

This was awesome. Thank you Peter and Andrew.

[@markwhite8332]

Zzzzzz Zzzzz Zzzz

[@amia7999]

30.40. I was lucky enough to learn debating and essay writing in school. We'd be given a 'controversial' statement. Then we'd have to brainstorm all the points for agree and also for disagree. Then we'd be randomly divided into 2 teams and we'd debate. So we learned listening, turn-taking, responding on point etc. And then we'd write the essay for homework on for and against. I'm so grateful because my brain is able to range free.

[@raef.7370]

Making therapy revolve around the beliefs and feelings of the therapist is completely antithetical to what the entire field is founded upon (i.e., individual differences).

[@Neo_Red_Pill]

We need to have a conversation about early childhood care and the breaking of the mother baby bond to age 3 and the importance of co regulation to be able to tolerate distressing feelings to grow into self regulation as the human being develops this is a developmental injury

[@jayjaydubful]

100%!!

[@wjdeoliveira3809]

If therapists depend on referrals, and if it's true that most patients want a non-woke therapist, what would happen if patients started to explicitly ask to be referred to a non-woke therapist?

[@MultipleGrievance]

I know for myself, the first line of defense is pro nouns. I won't even consider a therapist who has (he/him) in his bio......

[@RedOlympus]

I love how emotionally mature the Xenomorph is, thats what makes the Xenomorph such a good villain in movie Alien

[@VM-hl8ms]

terminator, predator, the thing, sauron... not to metion many characters who had emotional potential but lost it in some way... it's almost like many creative minds are trying to warn us of something? 🙂

[@jen7662]

As someone who’s had ocd (pocd and hocd) for over 20 years. At times it can can be almost unlivable to deal with, causing a variety of other issues, etc. I don’t wish this on anyone. Back in 2020 with the riots and blm, it was like everyone turned into people with OCD. The obsessive nature of wanting everyone to be equal, the compulsive behavior of canceling people who don’t comply. Etc. I had a therapist back then who made it very clear they supported trans individuals when I expressed criticism. Which is fine for her to support what she likes but I felt that therapist was no longer for me.

[@AndyJarman]

LASSI is the101 of customer service judo. 1. Listen to claims being asserted. 2. Acknowledge - repeat back their claims. 3. Separate so that they have no audience. 4. Sit down so they are not posturing assertively. 5. Instruct how you are going to respond to their assertions. Try that. You are interrupting virtue signallers, they are not able to take the lead in front of their peers, its too scary. Defuse the confrontational posturing - sitting down together in private, and slowing communication by reflecting back what has been said.

[@gufbrindleback]

Thank you for posting that.

[@meganj4366]

I'm anxious about other people's inability to regulate themselves, it's happening a lot nowadays and it's frustrating because they need emotional intelligence and competency skills and I feel that should be taught in schools at every level to prepare people for emotional success. Most people have to seek out these things on their own and obviously some are taken advantage of by people who will guide them in directions that aren't emotionally sound or are harmful or it takes a long time to come across truly helpful and healing information and techniques. I wish we were all set up to succeed in this manner but just like with financial literacy that is not part of the education process.

[@Stolat79]

“I! I am the only person responsible for my powerful emotions about things!”

[@artandculture5262]

Shawn Ryan had Chris/Kristin Beck, the navy seal on his podcast, and he spoke of the woke psychotherapy issue quite touchingly. He enrolled to get a masters in psychology or counseling and dropped the pursuit because of the topic you two are speaking of. He mentioned that the VA made it so that the only service providers who are eligible to treat veterans have to be of the system. There’s a 4 letter professional license he mentioned. He had a recommendation about having service leaders be able to be wellness coaches, as they are experienced in combat matters, and dealing with the realities of war. You may be familiar with his point of view but I recommend that podcast to everyone for many reasons. It went 4 hours. It’s one of the most human conversations I’ve ever heard in media. Best wishes.

[@krisphiles]

I'm a therapist whose private practice is hybrid, and I have learned over time that my clients' outcomes in telehealth vs. In-person depends almost totally the therapeutic alliance. The needs and personalities must be good fit, and the clients have better access to someone who provides that idiosyncratic relationship you mentioned (perfectly put, thank you), or "what works" for them as individuals than they would if they had only in-person options to choose from. I hear CONSTANTLY that the wait lists and terrible experiences are discouraging people from seeking therapy. As a rural therapist I'm grateful for telehealth. It is lonely, though, and I have very little access to peers or colleagues. I'd love to hear more about how to access that virtually!

[@steelcurtain187]

This was a real pleasure to listen to and this has to be one of my fav guests you’ve had 👏

[@jeeed6390]

I hear about 3 great discussions a year. This is one of them.

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

I'd love to get his thoughts on why ABA therapy is still being pushed on autistic children when gay conversion therapy is banned for being abusive and unaffective. Gay conversion therapy was developed out of ABA and uses the same principles. Why is it ok to abuse autistic children? The number one thing ABA teaches autistic children is to hate themselves. How is it still condoned?

[@Zarathustran]

IMO because postpartum psychosis (wish for the child to become “unborn“) is the pathogenic etiology of autism (and SIDS…the current iteration of civilization-endemic child sacrifice). Trait homosexual orientation is an efficiency mechanism that doesn’t impose an individual’s own alternatively hypothetical sterility onto heterosexual partner fertility. Selection is a neuroadrenal stress response in utero (androstenedione) in both sexes empirically and anecdotally to unwanted pregnancy anxiety. So lots of babytrappers and pro-lifers. And an obvious clergy-supplying feedback loop in which the catholic church’s poverty and chastity vows restore some dignity. Narcissistic and autistic (borderline) mothers have autistic then narcissistic kids because of their own developmental unpreparedness for motherhood. ASD is a predisposition for BPD and ASPD sequelae just like neurotic NPD is a predisposition for psychopathy. In both sexes untreated postpartum psychosis is probably the most frequent aggravating stressor. See the abrahamic filicidal impulse during the transitional era of animal sacrifice- an obvious psychosis that didn’t mind traumatizing Isaac to overcorrect damage to Psycho Abe’s own reputation from schwarzeneggering his maid (so paternal postpartum psychosis toward Ishmael). We are in our third consecutive generation of mothering as an afterthought because feminism conflated gender equality with workplace equality in order to get popular support for itself. The false equivalency might’ve been obvious to stay-at-home moms if motherhood hadn’t already been devalued, but intraspecies predation was an inevitable consequence of civilization itself obviating our omnivorous need to hunt. Cavemen didn’t need religious, political, bigotry, and child abuse cathexes to regulate their (masks of) sanity because they were not yet one another’s apex predator. If they’d had a DSM psychopathy probably would’ve been in it, but ultimately it’s not in ours because everybody’s a psychopath to somebody. The truth is if my mother had not tortured me neither one of us would’ve survived. However, she never stopped and would resume again today if she could. Stalked me (“just cutting through“🙄) for four and a half years after I went no contact and only stopped because of quarantine (during which I figured out my own autism and the 1979-81 diagnosis my entire abusive family continues to use against me). She had psychiatry’s help. Medical and religious exploitation needn’t be conspiracies hatched at the illuminati clubhouse among a species into whom duplicity became evolutionarily entrenched. (Except in pediatric autism) ego function offsets gaps in our competence because we need to misperceive feelings like hunger and fear as facts. That’s because autism is a deliberate grooming of self-defeating selflessness. See Baruch Spinoza. See Kevin Spacey. See JofNazareth. Shit, see it everywhere. Any woman who concealed her infidelity with a story about getting knocked up by an angel could have induced the same messianic delusion in her illegitimate proxy. And any group of neighbors who witnessed it could’ve put themselves forth as the so-called “chosen people” of their own made-up god. Yup, a tradition of agnostic entitlement to exploit the goyim predicated on nothing more than knowing the difference between a grave robbery and a resurrection spawned the whole judeochristian tradition. But it persists because attentive mothers properly socializing their kids doesn’t include redirecting their immature irrationality (if neither the infant nor his mother has been omnipotent then someone or something else has to be). The key to making kids autistic or schizophrenic is that the abuse is a condition of their survival. Schizophreniform decompensation is basically the reverse of Stockholm syndrome (but the egodiscontinuity is uncontextualized). Psychology/psychiatry isn’t my field but I am a gay man with an autistic IQ of 130+…and truth usually does seem more obvious to an outsider. Autism and narcissism aren’t treatment-responsive because disturbed families organize themselves such that the person with the pathogenic psychopathology is at least the primary DETACHMENT figure (and usually also father). That’s not sexism. We are our mothers’ biological processes before we are our own, so all mammals need maternal approval and encouragement to separate from them. Also for the introjection of prosocial inter-individual schemas (and antisocial inter-group schemas). So if you are the mother of an autistic child you probably wonder why it’s OK to abuse him or her because you don’t think of having a child for your own benefit as abusive. In other words, you’re projecting.

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

@@Zarathustran your opinions are psychotic, go get help.

[@dutenheffer1565]

It is horrific to live like that. I had severe OCD. It’s mentally paralyzing. Some of my family members have mild ocd but as a teenager I started taking lsd and it was extremely severe for awhile. That was a long time ago

[@dutenheffer1565]

It becomes rational. One day you didn’t have any violent/sexual thoughts and the next day you do. Logically, you would think a person begins by thinking about something. Which causes more stress which causes more weird thoughts

[@dutenheffer1565]

You would think that a person that does act on those thoughts go through the same process. You know, without knowing anything about psychology

[@dilloneliassen9622]

Was really interested in the disavowal psychoanalysis bit. Dr. Hartz applies it to Hamas/Palestine supporters, as in they act out in violence because they can't have rational conversations or debates about it because they don't actually believe in the cause they are supporting. But I would take that one step further: these student supporters of Hamas/Palestine know they are in the wrong, and that is why they disguise themselves with masks and keffiyehs and flags, and why they surround journalists so no reporting can take place. The terrorist sympathizers say they hide their faces so they are not retaliated against by police, colleges and potential employers, but the real reason is they know they are taking an indefensible position so the mask wearing is simply to avoid accountability and responsibility for their obviously immoral support for terrorism.

[@LuckysLair]

100 PERCENT accurate: ".....the mask wearing is simply to avoid accountability and responsibility for their obviously immoral support for terrorism."

[@amaryllisequistra]

11:52 But the fact that “ there are still good therapists out there” is irrelevant now that the ‘treatment’ for gender dysphoria is mandated as ‘gender affirming care’. Meaning that you can be prosecuted for ‘conversion therapy’ simply be doing exploratory therapy with a dysphoric patient.

[@recynd77]

I LOVELOVELOVE long-form videos! Thank you for these discussions.

[@FilmGates]

I learned many new ways to think and discuss, issues I've struggled with, in this interview. Thankyou much

[@meganj4366]

I think a huge percent of the people that end up in these extreme ends of the spectrum politically and otherwise are suffering from BPD, narcissistic traits that need to be corrected or are on the spectrum for autism and, all of those groups are misconstruing the rhetoric that has been thrown at them for inclusion as the answer to why they feel different instead of delving deeper into what is going on with them specifically and searching for the best possible outcome for their own fulfillment and healing.

[@megankwisdom]

I have that type of OCD and yeah it's rough. It's held me back from a lot of things but I just got done with a neurofeedback therapy protocol and it has been the most helpful thing I've ever done for my mental health. Now the thoughts are all but gone, every now and then the thoughts still creep in, but I feel so much freer and less anxious now.

[@FaithGroesbeck-x4d]

I’m wondering if Peter is familiar with Brene Brown and Loretta Ross, two academics I would describe as woke and against the anxiety-producing shame and blame of cancel culture. Also wondering if you’ve read Psychological Trauma by van der Kolk. He writes about the natural opioids the body produces when faced with threats of physical violence and how people become addicted to trauma. I thought about that when he talked about usually being calm in stressful situations.

[@MisterGames236]

I had a counsellor tell me that she felt my wife and I were trauma bonded and that our daughter had BPD. She was not qualified to make that call and the trauma bond stuff came way out of left field. I never returned to that office.

[@AndyJarman]

Anxiety is an inability to resolve stresses. Stresses are exceptional demands that threaten to overwealm an otherwise adequate system. Anxiety denotes the cause is within (a personal failing), stress infers the cause is external (no personal fault).

[@ScottNormanRosenthal]

Not always clearly delineated.

[@MaxBrix]

Can one have anxiety without stresses to resolve?

[@nimapocalyse9569]

​@MaxBrix I think that's absolutely the case... it's about the baseline mental state. The mind is a garden, and the thoughts you cultivate are the flowers that grow. Many people don't actually realize how their default thought patterns are really negative and anxiety inducing, when really there's nothing to be anxious over. Incorporating Mindfulness and breath work practices into daily life can help someone who may be experiencing this. Becoming cognizant of the thoughts that aren't serving you and aren't actually true, then resetting the nervous system and replacing the thought. With practice this becomes the new default. The sad thing is that people are just put on pills rather than being shown how this process works

[@Gingerblaze]

@@nimapocalyse9569 and for those patients whose lives simply are incredibly stressful due to modern demands of survival which can not be reduced or overcome due to income/no time for mindfullness excersises or even therapy etc, pills dampen the ability to experience and respond appropriately to the natural signals of dangerous stress overload, so they can continue on, in their stressful unhealthy environments. This of course is not a good longterm solution and generally manifests later with physically disabling or even life threatening physical conditions.

[@GenXWoman]

I have a lot of respect for Peter but he has a hard time getting his head around the fact that most people are not rational.

[@N7sensei]

Humans in general have a problem understanding that much of human cognition is going through heuristics and biases, various brain short circuits. The human brain is perfectly capable of A = !A. I don't know if I ever met anyone who managed to get their head around this profoundly. You need to delve into analyzing humans and their cognition quite heavily to truly understand it and have that epiphany.

[@Amazology]

​@@N7sensei Non Aristotelian logic ?

[@ruthhorowitz7625]

When you're hyper logical, it's hard to comprehend that other people aren't. I'm 59 and I'm just beginning to understand that most people are driven by emotions and not logic.

[@kahwigulum]

​@@ruthhorowitz7625 you're probably not hyper logical. you're probably just more self-aware, which is a perceptive state based on emotion. almost no person is truly logical, and if i had to assign a number to it, i'd say 1 in 10 million actually thinks and behaves based on logic versus emotion. when philosophers talk about people who are "rational" this is a placeholder for a thought experiment, and virtually never the way humans think or behave in reality.

[@johndoeboston123]

It's arguably impossible to be fully logical, since ultimately we're seeking love, happiness, and fulfillment- spiritual and emotional states. But it's possible to be "well integrated."

[@rochellecaffee1417]

There is a wonderful movie about relationship-tyranny, called “Cool Hand Luke” with Paul Newman, which gives a line that tells of so many of our stories: “What i think we have here, is a failure to communicate.” He was in a “face-off” as a caught, runaway prisoner from prison, by the prison warden… and after he said that in the bright search lights, the warden and his men SHOT HIM.

[@jezdavis1865]

Cheers. Needn’t watch that film then.

[@aidananstey9848]

"you know I'm doing this for your own good boy" "Well I sure wish you'd stop being so good to me boss"😂😂

​@aidananstoney9848 Great line in a great film

[@H.Hardrada]

Great interview! I think Andrew hit straight to the heart of this stuff, talking about the emotional disregulation.. I just wish you would have followed the thread a little bit further down before moving on.

[@holdensachs8955]

This helped put the current cultural milieu into perspective.

[@EllaGreenn]

42:10 I know what splitting is, but the domino effect on the environment is amazing. This explains so much.

[@t3tsuyaguy1]

I found the discussion about stress and anxiety really interesting. I consider them to be categorically different from one another. Stress is an experience. Anxiety is an emotion. I think both can happen at the same time, and anxiety can be a response to stress. But I don't think the two are themselves related. I think we feel stress whenever we face anything that taxes our mental or physical resources more than we can be sure to make it through. I think the emotional centers of our brain report anxiety when we perceive that danger is possible, but not certain. Certain danger generates fear. When we feel anxious, it's an opportunity to examine the situation or the environment more closely, to determine if the potential danger is real. Stress may naturally cause this emotion to rise, if the thing taxing our resources could potentially harm us, if we fail to deal with it properly. Pathological anxiety is the diagnosable state, wherein you have anxiety despite there being no evidence of danger at all. Essentially your early warning system is always on, even when it shouldn't be. It also won't turn off, in response to you thinking the situation through. That's when you need some combination of medication and cognitive behavior therapy to return your system to a workable baseline.

[@isaklytting5795]

35:06. Peter, just throwing this out there as a possibility. Could it be that nobody you asked wanted to take the pro-Hamas position was because they didn't HAVE that position? People are against attacks on innocent palestinian civilians! Children, hospitals, families! Not Hamas! If nobody wants to "own up" to having an opinion, maybe consider the possibility that they don't have that opinion in the first place before accusing them of cowardice? Of the people condemning Israel's actions on KZbin, I have not heard a single person say anything positive about Hamas.

[@amandajephson9964]

Jordan Peterson said it is a miracle we don't feel anxiety all the time given the threats of living.

[@jasonromaine]

Minute 26:00 is less about depression and more about narcissism and cluster B. They are all good, you are all bad.

[@jasonromaine]

Minute 19:30 is COGNITIVE DISSONANCE. The main problem of our time. Leads to denial because the emotions are too negative, scary and confusing. This is why we stay in abusive relationships.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

Students are being deliberately traumatised into intellectual paralysis?

[@AndyJarman]

Ambi - both (ambidextrous). Valent - accomodation. Ambivalent - accepting both viewpoints. Ambivalence is subtly different - undecided. Best to stick to Ambivalent and Ambivalence and not confuse the two words.

[@rebusd]

Imagine being arrested for quoting the Boondocks cartoon in your sleep after an all night marathon

[@Mike80528]

I am/have been very liberal and believe many (most/all?) institutions need conservative guard rails with liberal discussions. Once the guard rails fall, those liberal "ideals" slip through without proper critical analysis. We need to have a balanced approach.

[@silentb2084]

My M.Ed. advisor was EXTREMELY uncomfortable when I did a textual analysis of the James D./Google memo and internal messages, revealing the cultural bias and political influence on counter-hegemonic discourses blan blah blah…I wish I could have recorded the moment I told him my selected topic: he visibly cringed. I’ve never seen that outside of a sitcom before.

[@wolfmoz2232]

Want another scary layer? Some could live with conflicting emotions, but face the real life threat of bullies punishing them, when they do. So they have to fake allegiance to survive in a world, where fighting back against bullies is deemed aggressive.

[@amaryllisequistra]

15:32 As far as i can tell, there is not one clinically validated modality. Not even the sacred cow, CBT.

[@renacleerican7824]

These are ideologies not Science. That is why.

[@heatfield4243]

Thank-you for the conversation.

[@Mrsilic414]

I have a few positive thoughts: First, woke ideology is becoming more and more cringe, especially among gen alpha. This is a super corporate movement coming from the top down, which is the most uncool and non rebellious thing you could associate with. Kids are quicker to see stuff like this than adults, they just need time to change the zeitgeist. Second: I think the Cass review was absolutely essential for giving parents a leg to stand on when pushing back against gender ideology. I think before we could speak up about what our intuitive objections were, but some parents worried about what would happen if they were wrong. They had no professionals in their corner to back them up or to make sense of this incoherent made up religion. Even if the activists try to discredit the Cass report and the WPATH files, we have research we can point to. Also, I think we should continue to have the courage to point out the absurdity in this ideology through humor. I have to believe that one day in the future we’ll all look back and laugh….

[@cristianomombello6944]

According to my own experience, it seems to me that this issue concerns the overall healthcare environment. Left-liberal oriented staff is heavily ideologised and biased. So they carry on with their warfare also on patients, exploiting their position of strength. They flaunt great virtues in public and behave cowardly in private; exactly as bullies do. Dealing with grey-haired people who behave in such a childish and irresponsible way at work is just daunting and dishonourable. Thank you very much for sharing this great conversation.

[@nicholaslamprey5762]

If a person is aware at some level that they do not fully believe their outwardly expressed view on a hot button issue, which is apparently held among the group they belong to, then the prospect of acknowledging the ambivalence is too scary to face. Hence, the instinct is to avoid the source of the ambivalence, eg a visiting conservative speaker on campus. So how many in the group May be in the same position, but each feels/ acts as though they are the only one who questions the issue. So the self censorship is reinforced.

[@jasonromaine]

Minute 46:00, Stress is experienced in the moment. Anxiety is a projection of perceived future stressful events. Stress is natural and sometimes even fun, because it's in real time and can feel exciting. Anxiety is not helpful or fun because it's the flip side of excitement, it's dread and helplessness. Anxiety is felt when the body is doing nothing to calm the mind about something strenuous, stress is felt when the mind and body are working together as one on something strenuous.

[@NeraBuffy]

01:46 Carl Jung said he knew someone like ah will rise in Germany because his patients had complained of repeated disturbing dreams of events like that happening, 2 years before the political takover took place.

[@jgrif7891]

I find most people in the psychology field went into the field as a type of therapy.

[@jennajewert]

It's odd to me that so many people are so concerned about whether or not clinicians participate in their own therapy. It's like asking your orthodontist if he or she has ever had braces...if they need it, they get it. If not, they may never choose to utilize it themselves. What does it matter to you?! It's a private matter...

[@FromPovertyToProgress]

“People are rejecting facts because of how it makes them feel.” That statement is both profound and profoundly dysfunctional. As a society, we need to find a way to get beyond this…

[@dolores7589]

Peter referred multiple times how a push to equity would somehow make pilots and surgeons incompetent, but doesn’t DEI focus on equity in regards of who can get into a program, not who can finish it? Please enlighten me on this.

[@davidtoda1751]

Sounds like orwells 1984

[@Grimaldo354]

Great discussion. Thank you for your insights!

[@jgcelliott1]

“Justice must not only be done, justice must be SEEN to be done.” Academia must accept that the cost of redemption will be high, and some will not survive it. .

[@darianbalcom8777]

Only 7 minutes in and I can't watch this. They're both saying things that make no sense. The fear of being canceled is not irrational at all in a world where people are being canceled and defamed all the time. The therapy field makes no sense whatsoever. Never has. If the problems are located outside the individual in the wider society - which they are - then by definition the individual is not "mentally ill." He or she is reacting normally to a sick society. I can't stand listening to shrinks.

[@danx1216]

What are the feelings you can’t tolerate and how are you operating to distort reality

[@MonacoBlast66]

If you're a student, as I am, stay away from Naropa University.

[@mh4zd]

It all began with the elevation of empathy to the status of attained virtue. It then fueled conformity to what intuition had as troubling levels of protection of self-esteem. It grabbed ahold of the implicit transcendent objective morality that's a hold-over within atheists from theism and that's why the intellectual progeny of post modernists still trade in righteous indignation. It starts with Moses (the birth of transcendent objective morality), runs through Christianity (which added the disastrously un-objectifiable codes of mercy), then the Enlightenment move of breeching Romans chapter 13 vs.1 of same said religion. The road to Hell is paved....

[@merrimanzajac2856]

I had a very different understanding of the congressional hearing. What I detected is that Claudine Gay was reluctant to condemn certain kinds of campus speech because, generally, you aren't supposed to police that kind of speech except under special conditions, and to determine where and when the line was crossed by students would be a tricky matter. Also, she was probably aware that there is an unreasonable push to frame campus protests as calls for genocide. She had to know that this question was an attempt to consolidate the narrative of sinister actors in this PR war. The question put to her is similar to the famous "Have you finally stopped beating your wife" question. Nobody likes being backed into a corner like that, and I would have been very irritated to have to deal with that obvious PR stunt. When Peter says that "these people are rabid Jew haters", I think he's not being fair to the reasons why left-leaning people have taken the stance they have on Israel. The reason probably is better explained by why so many were against the South African regime of the past. They see what looks to them as an oppressor and they get hyperfocused on it as a cause, frequently ignoring nuance. And they have a lot of factual reasons to dislike Israel. In any case, I don't go calling Leftists "German haters" just because they hate the Nazis so much, and I was disappointed that Peter indulged in this kind of gut-take.

[@heatfield4243]

What sort of term would one use to describe a society where most of what individuals experience is not believable?

[@MsElfdee]

I retired early from MH in 2016 ( 10yr UNi, 20yrs in MH in UK, boots on the ground) as i wouldn't join the cult. the Lunatics truly have taken over the asylum. I worked for a short time in a voluntary in-patient personality disorder unit. at least then i could go home after shift. MH practice now is iatrogenic, my profession has never apologised for the other atrocities' its committed on people like lobotomy etc. don't expect it to now.

[@wjdeoliveira3809]

Wow, I think I need a therapist who knows what he knows. I've tried a few (quite expensive) therapists, but they were nowhere near his level of understanding, and I just gave up on therapy completely.

[@rudeb7]

Why does my therapist want to control and direct our conversation?

[@DrDeuteron]

"multivariate" (more than 1 variable) is less jargonny than "Covariant", which (for me) means each side of an a equation transforms according to Relativity....but then has other uses when paired with the absolutely jargonist "contra-variant".

[@theflamingone8729]

Peter may lose his anxiety while training because that activity completely captures your attention, you won't be thinking about the gas bill while someone is trying to tear your arms off. I would guess that Peter hasn't had a serious injury while training. Public speaking would calm himvecause he is good at it and confident in his material.

[@StarsDie88]

There's not much ambiguity in framing an anti-Israel stance as being "pro-Hamas". Not to say there aren't genuine pro-Hamas stances, but that isn't the main stance regarding the subject.

[@DeadLevelled-ku8tq]

The book "King, Warrior, Magician Lover" has a lot to offer here. Conservatives are operating out of the King/Warrior circuits and the Liberals are operating out of the Magician/Lover circuits.

[@MaxBrix]

Alternate title: "Nonratonal behavior confounds Peter"

[@jamesrobertson-qp6cx]

spell much?

[@meganj4366]

How would you recommend fighting against therapists turning out like Jody Hildebrandt?

[@angelasophia3705]

This is a very very dangerous denial of reality. When people show you who they are, what they want, what they are seeking, and you ignore all of it, and start analyzing them, as if you're going to understand them better - you are the one incapable of facing the reality. These people don't want to talk. They don't want to change. They don't want to hear you. They don't want your opinions. All they care about is destruction. And you won't get anywhere looking down at them from a condescending analytical position. Admit the truth, the scary uncomfortable truth.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

We're generally aware of that. They're trying to figure out what got them in that mess.

[@angelasophia3705]

@@offshoretomorrow3346 to what end? no one has figured out what to do in the present moment. no one has the first clue about discernment of evil or how to name it or how to navigate it or how to even conceptualize it. they're all still making therapeutic excuses for these poor fragile babies (see video above). who gives af about what made them evil. we can worry about that later when we're writing the history books. today, Peter just seems to need to admit to himself that "rationality" won't save you when ignorance is weaponized. That in fact, he is powerless, and not superior, to them. That would be a good first step of humility.

[@angelasophia3705]

@@offshoretomorrow3346 my previous response did not seem to post, so i'll try again. if he's still trying to pull them into a debate, so they can discuss their views, he hasn't faced the truth of the situation yet. you're not going to figure out what got them in that mess. it's a pointless path of inquiry from the outside. it tries to analyze someone who isn't on the couch for analysis, so that you can figure out how to manipulate around their dogmatism and change them. that's not the way to fix this. and it's falsely condescending to a major threat that needs a courageous response to the present danger, not coddling.

[@signorasforza354]

Yeah, like it was possible to talk with Bolsheviks or Nazi. Just challenge Stalin with arguments and logic😅

[@myblueheaven86]

What is "splitting"?

[@renacleerican7824]

It is a symptom of so-called "personality disorders" like bpd( it manifests differently in npd or anti-social pd, but the processus is similar) : It is a dysfunctional mecanism of protection, where the person is seeing all in black, sometimes lashing out or cutting every contact.

[@isaklytting5795]

Just a single note on the fact that no people from the "liberal" side dare to come on your podcast to talk to you, and you don't want to waste any more of your energy trying: Have you or Reid ever tried to ask Norman Finkelstein? He appears rather open to discussing his views with people of opposing views, and even people who are hostile. I can't understand why he wouldn't agree to talk with you, if he was aware of your invitation. And he is left-leaning on a host of issues. The only thing is he speaks so slowly, and so long, that you'd would probably need many hours to cover even the basic arguments.

[@Doing_Time]

This dude is interesting.

[@louisaw8600]

Stress is the stimulus. Anxiety is the stimulus response.

[@Accountdeactivated_1986]

How is it an irrational thought when people will ruin your life if you use normal words? I now don’t speak out loud, barely leave my house. I live in San Francisco and I hate it here. It’s so easy to offend someone and they scream at you. Using words that aren’t even offensive. I can’t move right now because of economic issues, but I will never live in a progressive city again. I’ve been screamed at for saying totally innocuous things.I had a relative who screamed at me for eating grapes because of the United farm workers 30 years before. You never get over that. It’s not an irrational fear at all.

[@Heather-t1u]

I am white with a black husband and the n word is occasionally used in my home. My husband and I exist very well by not acting socially taboo. However, blaspheming God will actually send you to hell so we don't do that and yes, f...... It is the answer to deal with this garbage, but also reasonable challenge while white people still have rights to complain and sue. Self reliance goes a long way here. It does.

[@danx1216]

That’s keeping them stuck

[@rudeb7]

Rep. David Schweikert is screaming about our debt!

[@danx1216]

People are rejecting things that are true because I can’t tolerating their feelings connected to The truth

[@KH-aug]

54:00 Why do you feel at peace when someone wants to argue with you or hit you? You've gained narcissistic supply. Your narcissism appears not to be terribly advanced, however, so with concerted self reflection and therapeutic guidance you may be able to at least start to see it. It's a difficult PD to perceive in oneself however, let alone to grow beyond. Good luck to you -

[@O8080808O]

24:43 Maslow call it cognative Dissonance

[@2001bop]

In all human beings, when emotions are involved, rationality goes out the window.

[@mattbuchanan325]

Marxism, especially queer Marxism is a huge contributor to all of this.

[@Oxmustube]

You had me until you said to quit sugar...

[@janetoliver9561]

Peter does not understand the lower brain function. I could name all the brain parts but I won’t. This part of the brain will activate preservation reactions not just in the upper brain but in the body. It is not controlled only by rationality, which is top down. Sensory-motor function trumps rationality. The entire system must communicate and come to agreement. Nothing gets to the upper brain without going through the lower one.

[@mikosapps2476]

Like when on a high building balcony, you know you won't jump..but part of you is scared of what if 😮

[@EsseQuamViderity]

You should research the “sort of kind of” vocal filler pandemic.

[@Besseloff]

I am the prime mover of comments

[@N7sensei]

FIRST!

[@theunknownatheist3815]

More like a bowel mover

[@jarofawesome4621]

Oh God fully agree 100% when it comes to constant thoughts of political correctness causing severe anxiety. I fell in love with some characters from hazbin hotel and joined the fandom on Twitter. Since then I have never been as low, buzzing but chronically anxious as I have been since joining this fandom obviously mostly because I know these are all leftist people.