How do birds navigate and pigeons home?

Despite decades of research, no one knows how birds navigate to destinations hundreds of miles away. Rupert suggests that there is a field-mediated sense of direction through which they are attracted towards their goals.
Rupert’s official 8-part course on morphic resonance is now available online for £49, including a live Q&A session. Details here www.sheldrake.org/online-cour...
"I've been interested in how pigeons home and how birds navigate from the earliest age. In fact, I think it was probably this problem that got me interested in science in the first place. When I was working in biological research as a fellow of Clare College, Cambridge, I started asking professors of zoology at Cambridge University how birds navigation, how pigeons home. No one really knew, and it's still probably the most obvious unsolved problem in animal biology."
Dr Rupert Sheldrake, PhD, is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. At Cambridge University he worked in developmental biology as a Fellow of Clare College. He was Principal Plant Physiologist at the International Crops Research Institute for the Semi-Arid Tropics and From 2005 to 2010 was Director of the Perrott-Warrick project, Cambridge.
This is one of six talks on potential breakthroughs in the sciences. The full series, together with course materials, including relevant chapters from Rupert’s books and scientific papers, are available for a reduced price of £35 (as of June 30, 2023).
www.sheldrake.org/online-courses
Related book:
Seven Experiments That Could Change the World
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References
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Satellite Tracking of Wandering Albatrosses
Jouventin,P. and Weimerskirsch, H. 1990. Nature 343, 745-748.
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Perdeck, Albert C.
Two Types of Orientation in Migrating Starlings, Sturnus yulgaris L., and Chaffinches, Fringilla coelebs L., as Revealed by Displacement Experiments. Ardea, 55(1-2) : 1-2.
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Netherlands Ornithologists' Union
doi.org/10.5253/arde.v1i2.p1
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Magnetic Fields 1750-1980
Bloxham, J. and Gubbins, D. 1985. The secular variation of tye earth’s magnetic field. Nature 317, 778-781.
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World War 1 Pigeon Loft Photos
public domain
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Mobile Loft Experiment at Coldham hall, Suffolk, 1989
With Robbie Robson of Bury St. Edmunds Racing Pigeon Club
Photo by: Jill Purce
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Dutch Navel Pigeon Experiment
HNLMS Tydeman
June, 1995
Filmed by: Louis van Gasteren, Gregor Meerman and Jacqueline van Vugt

[@SteveC-id6dq]

Thank you Mr. Sheldrake for all of your contributions to not just this mystery, but to the dialogue of the curious researcher.

[@aprilkitten]

Thank you Rupert. I would love to see more. I had a homing pigeon that came to live with me for a time, but I've mostly been raising exotic birds and parrots for the past 40 years and learned so many amazing things about them. I would say they are telepathic and very empathetic and know if I'm feeling under the weather. They extend great compassion, concern and love in many affectionate ways. They are such beautiful, intelligent and angelic little scamps😘🐦🐤🐥💙💛

[@rp8564]

Would love to watch more of you discussing morphogenetic fields and resonance and memoirs in this video format, Dr. Sheldrake! Great content 👍

[@marilynstrube4970]

You should read his books. They are fascinating!

[@valeriejohnson9296]

😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@ChristopherBonis]

Fascinating as always. Thank you, Dr. Sheldrake.

[@jfreeman2927]

I'm a former member of the Japanese pigeon corp. We lost the war, but we learned so much from the endeavor.

[@marilynstrube4970]

Since my youth I have been fascinated by the abilities of migratory animals, animal instinct, plant and animal morphogenisis, etc. Rupert Sheldrake's theories of morphic fields may be the key to unlocking many of these mysteries and could be the underlying principle of nearly everything, including consciousness. Thank you, Dr Sheldrake for everything you do! You may be the greatest visionary of our time.

[@greenstair]

It is so very refreshing to listen to a true scientific viewpoint; open-minded, unblinkered and curious. Fascinating subject, thank you Dr Sheldrake.

[@tictoc5443]

A real scientist

[@Finn11233]

123rd like yippy. it seems as if pigeons get a bad wrap here in Britain, beautiful creatures.

[@Randomuser2329]

Easy. GPS. Global pigeon system.

[@hendrikarqitekt6286]

😅😂

[@AdeebaZamaan]

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[@timbob1145]

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[@spence2126]

Mr Rupert Sheldrake, The world is better place because of your good self 👍

[@fredericbaue]

Love you Rupert! What are your other favorite unanswered but testable questions?

[@maxdecleyn]

Why many think the earth to be globular.

[@jimmyjasi-]

@@maxdecleyn Because it's flat on north and south poles? (Asimov)

[@maxdecleyn]

@@jimmyjasi- 🤔

[@MrJUselle]

@@maxdecleyn kzbin.info/www/bejne/npaQaKmpZaeegqc

[@maxdecleyn]

@@MrJUselle it is an insult to your own intellect and this channel to even consider that a reference.

[@fs5775]

Love you Rupe! You've been an inspiration since the triologues. Your sharp & keen mind has opened up worlds to me and I know history will be kind to you regarding morphic resonance. Just needs time to catch up. God bless you.

[@wehsee912]

🌚☄️❤️💫

[@patrickrussell6216]

Thank you Rupert Sheldrake, I was travelling in midwest western Australia, I met a pigeon truck parked on side of road about 500km north of Perth. The driver told me he was waiting to release group's of pigeons at certain times to fly back to Perth and surrounds, He also told me that radar facilities had been built at New Norcia which is half way between the release site and their home in Perth , Apparently this Radar facility confuses the pigeons on their journey and flight path, The pigeons get confused when flying in the vicinity of the radar station, They fly around in circles for a while and then fly really high, They then get their bearings again and carry on their journey home.

[@ricardomurillo5205]

Monarch butterflies 🦋 migrate from Canada and US to 1 forest in michoacan during February, Mexico and die, it's not the same generation. Amazing and beautiful! 53:00

[@mikejones9961]

i love Rupert

[@juergenbloh45]

I wish, i had a boat.. Thank you Rupert!

[@dlt4videos]

Rupert, please setup a "sponsor a bird" fund to allow us cheap-seats to be able to contribute in a more humble way. To help offset some of operational cost.

[@dougney3026]

I feel it , it's the universal connection . Very few people feel it. Have a great day

[@optinoptimist]

long time fan! awesome stuff!!! just leaving a comment to try to boost the algorithm, hope everyone out there is doing well!!

[@sophianarida]

I remember the first time I heard about pigeons and their ability to navigate home from far distances. This was about 20 years ago, when I was in primary school, and I remember that I found it incredibly fascinating and at the same time frustrating that there wasn't an answer as to how they exactly did it. Last year I got involved in beekeeping and heard about this phenomemon 'Colony Collapse Disorder', which, as far as I understand, also has something to do with bees and their sudden inability to navigate their way back to the colony. Long story short, these topics on animal navigation have puzzled me and there is this little spark inside of me that wants to find clues to as to what is going on. I find this incredibly interesting and I love how a different way of thinking about these topics opens up a space for us humans to think about how we relate to the world and what, to us ourselves, is considered 'Home' and finding our own path back to whatever that may be. I am so very thrilled to hear mr. Sheldrake talking about these topics, I feel like this is the information that I've been wanting to see unravel! Thank you for putting these videos out!

[@humanresetproject]

We know nothing! This is just mind blowing the perfection of Creator

[@lisamcinnis5564]

Thank you Rupert! Enjoyed this presentation & wish I had a super yacht to lend & further the research. Maybe someone with different resources than me will see this video.

[@robertamcknight3175]

Hoping someone will step forward to support your proposed research

[@waleskaelektra17]

Magnificent as always. Thankfully 👏👏👏⚡💖

[@trendlinetracker3147]

A 'gravity signature' may not only explain homing, but could symbiotically assist in explaining gravity itself in more depth.

[@MyMy-tv7fd]

I cannot prove it, but I have a strong suspicion that different handlers would have an effect on the experiment too

[@dannyseymour3194]

I need more Rupert in my life.

[@hendrikarqitekt6286]

Great explanation, Rupert. Subtitels go all the way, no problem, i understand. Flemish myself.

[@marilynstrube4970]

Another fascinating bird instinct is that of the Veeries thrush that appears to be able to predict the severity of the upcoming hurricane season and will cut short its breeding season in advance of severe hurricane seasons to avoid dangerous weather during migration. The bird appears to be better at predicting severe weather than modern meteorologists. How it knows the severity ahead of time is a real mystery. Researcher Christopher Heckscher has studied this phenomenon for decades.

[@robertseaborne5758]

Thank you Rupert, for your fascinating and inspiring research and the way you story and share it with us. Maybe your elastic band represents a particular attraction that pulls all life forms toward a mutually dependent Gaian home that is both cosmic and personal.

[@janwojtas7998]

great film I hope we have more, thank you!

[@albalmal]

Thank you Mr S

[@hungryplant3849]

great video, maybe the pidgeons can remote view their home while lucid dreaming. I think the rubber band idea is good too, it implies a connection to some sort of field, the rubber band, so in essence we are tied together by something. On the individual level its tough to see, but if we zoom out or in the fractals can be seen. From the ant to the ant colony, to the forest, this whole planet is like a singular organism from the right viewpoint.

[@julian.morgan]

Hi Rupert, I suspect that one of the biggest hurdles to this kind of research (beyond someone loaning you a super yacht!) is the same problem as that identified by Dr Yoshio Manaka, one of my most esteemed teachers. Dr Manaka researched the underlying organising principles of the acupuncture meridian system for decades, principly with what he called polarity agents: fine metal needles with different valencies such as gold and silver, north and south poles of magnets, different colours, different sounds etc., etc. The hurdle was in attempting to measure the effect he was having at any point on the electro-magnetic spectrum, because the instruments of measurement themselves were more potent influencers of these subtle fields than the changes they were attempting to measure. So while I'm pretty sure that your pigeon-loft equipped super yacht will finally refute all the mechanistic explanations in a thoroughly satisfying manner, will that bring us any closer to understanding the nature of the "elastic band"? I'm sure most of us would agree that something parallel to that must be happening since these homing/migratory phenomena are so universal in nature. Lastly, and also parallel to Dr Manaka's work, I wonder what we understand about the factors that disrupt or weaken the "elastic band"? For example, I noticed the huge radar and communications systems on the Dutch research ship - so presumably we can conclude that whatever signals those were emitting aren't obstructive? Be very interesting to identify what, if anything, does?

[@hendrikarqitekt6286]

pity i can not copy this great explanation

[@michellecd4722]

I can't tolerate acupuncture, I get restless body syndrome just like I do if there's a tablet next to me. The computer is far enough away that I use my laptop like a pc with a wireless keyboard & mouse but if I didn't take a decent amount of breaks it'll do the same thing. So there's something legit in the "waves" department going on if my body literally responds the same way to acupuncture as I do to a tablet.

[@julian.morgan]

​@@michellecd4722 There are a lot of people who can't tolerate what I'll diplomatically call crudely physical forms of acupuncture. In fact Dr Manaka went out of his way to discover such exceptionally sensitive people and they played a critical part in his research into testing the theories of classical Chinese medicine as pertains to the meridian or channel systems. One of Dr Manaka's early insights was realising that most modern acupuncture, with its assumption of a materialistic endorphin based mechanism of action, is so crude it bypasses the subtle self-regulatory systems inherent in the meridian system. In other words, a neurological response will overwhelm and probably negate an "energy field" response. This is why so much of his research focused on identifying and testing dozens of different ways to interact with the meridian system that did not use needles at all, but much more subtle stimuli.

[@marilynstrube4970]

Julian Morgan My thoughts exactly! If we could Identify a factor that disrupts the 'rubber band', we may be closer to understanding the nature of the field that forms it.

[@jfo3000]

My thoughts were that the radar emissions might provide a strong beacon for the pigeons to locate even more easily.

[@Lukas-cm2b]

46:44 beautiful dutch chicks

[@roaringmouse132]

I really like your investigations Rupert. I somehow wonder if “ home is where the heart is” after all in some way. I wonder if any indigenous peoples have a take on this as well .

[@MyMy-tv7fd]

I love how the migration is 'explained' by merely labelling it 'genetic' when the question of how that much feed-forward biological engineering could come about is then at least a mystifying as the first question

[@arch572006]

amazing video, thanks for all your research.

[@looshsociety]

Thank you, very interesting explications and theories and very fascinating topic, (to me especially the homing pigeons) Some questions arise related: like what are the training protocolls, learning methods of the pigeons based on, what instruments are used , like e.g. sound (whistle , voice, or food etc.) Is there interference from electromagnetic fields, natural, and induced ( e.g. telecom satellites,cellular towers, solar storms, cosmic weather)?Can these factors percentage have a substantial influence on the pigeon competition results/getting lost? The other year in Belgium a large group, some hundreds, of prestigious, trained race pigeons got terribly lost. The news article assumed it might be the atmospherical/weather conditions; lightning storm: how does this work? Is it actually the loft, home/place the pigeons seem to be drawn to , or could there be an 'invisible bond 'with the caretaker(s)/trainer(s)as well, is this researched? Is there a relationship between morphic resonance and sympathetic resonance? In the Robin migration/homing case: there is the 'quantum entanglement' theory: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJbTmIKHetuKipI, are there common denominators with the morphic fields theory? ( I remember very well the great series on the Dutch television, enjoyed every minute, and bought the book "Een Schitterend Ongeluk", "a Glorious Accident' at the time) looking forward to your upcoming video's and hope you will find a willing ship or yacht owner for your investigations!

[@billbrock8547]

It's true, we haven't yet fully figured out how birds navigate, but jumping to pseudoscientific conclusions based on no empirical evidence will only lead to a dead end instead furthering our understanding.

[@TheFarmacySeedsNetwork]

Mr. Sheldrake! This was an excellent video and truly fascinating! When I was 14, I was adopted by a pigeon out of the blue when I was out on a bike ride one day. I'd love to share the story with you if you have interest, since then, I've always had a fascination with pigeons and it was wondered why that pigeon adopted me in the way that it did. She became my personal little Air Force until she was eaten by a hawk later on. I wish there was a way I could participate in these experiments or even just get some homie and pigeons of my own to mess with, would be such a cool thing to play with, I love your theory and morphic residents and have been tuned in for a long time on it and I love how you're developing it out and testing your hypothesis against all different pieces. Thanks for everything you do! Mr. Sheldrake! Also, the first boat that comes to mind to me that floats around all over the ocean and probably could handle this experiment is the one that boy on the salat bill for collecting garbage all over the ocean. Maybe there's a way you could even tie multiple experiments together regarding garbage collection, pigeons, ocean, garbage, tracking, navigation, and who knows what else?

[@earthstick]

When the mobile loft moved, did the pigeons return to the original location first, and then perform a local search? Or did they return directly to the new location? You would need to move the loft outside of eyeshot of the original location. Also, what if you have two mobile lofts? Will they always go to their loft or just the first they find?

[@10pinkzebra]

Thank you Rupert, I love listening to you. Love from Cheshire Uk. New subscriber 🙏🏻

[@jamesstevens3469]

Could the pigeon be homing in on their human handler? Perhaps an experiment could be done where the pigeons are taken away from the boat in a similar manner and released from a different boat far away, but moreover the human handler or trainer is also taken away to a different boat in a different direction. To which boat would the pigeons fly to? Maybe this could be repeated moving the actual coup instead. Fascinating stuff, hope to hear about more results in the future!

[@AdolfoRiosPitaGiurfa]

Did you free them all or left one of its companions behind? As such a rubber band in the morphic field could be in between them

[@Artezia]

Probably it’s just a sense of their home, instinctively inherent. I met people who can tell you the exact time without a watch, who can predict weather without instruments or who can smell a liar or bad intentions in others without knowing them. I think there are so many senses in nature and explanations aren’t in the field of common language or thought. It’s simply happening…

[@WakingUpToday213]

So many interesting questions in here. One that interests me is how much of our natures as men or wome, are influenced by the morphic resonance of our sex and what implications does that have for the future of our sexes? Rupert's views have been very helpful to me. Connecting me to the morphic field of Christianity for example.

[@-V-K-]

I think we go into 'instinctive' collision avoidance navigation mode in crowds , especially supermarkets. Sometimes we have an off day & we know that we are going to walk into everyone , and we do( because we are now off autopilot), so we have to get out of the supermarket immediately. Then we automatically reset , so to speak. & the unconscious collective navigation looks after all of us , without us thinking of it. Those massive flocks of birds must use the same unconscious principle as the all move & change course together.

[@earthstick]

Ever noticed how you get to a road junction just as a convoy of cars does?

[@shadowpathfinder7723]

Humans in crowded conditions move through our advanced "joint attention" social sense Sheldrake has tested.. not quite as much as scopesthesia and other phenomenon. You have issues navigating when other people won't keep their eyes on their objective unless you adopt an aggressive brute stance and push passed anyone that won't keep their attention where it needs to be

[@63RobWanders]

Fascinating!

[@dougney3026]

I think you have figured it out 🐱 I feel it All the time. I know the way home.The Morphic Resonance. 👍 Watching and Learning 👍 The Mushrooms Help . I worked for the USGS MAPS help me too.

[@straightfromascientist]

I recommend looking into the work of Dr. John Phillips of Virginia Tech. The lab is focused on mechanisms of magnetoception, i.e. using earths magnetic field to navigate. Work is perfomed in Faraday cages to block external field influence. Specific proteins called cryptochromes are light dependent magnetic sensors, putatively

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[@jimmyjasi-]

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[@Lukas-cm2b]

there was british tv documentary and they spoke about pigeons and they said it has something to do with quantum physics. the document has more parts and generally it is about QP. so they said pigeon navigate thanks to QP and so does work the smell function of animals etc.

[@ALoonwolf]

I don't know if you've explored this but the Schumann Resonances could be a possibility for how the "morphic resonance" is transmitted. It may perhaps affect crystal formation and certainly brainwaves which operate at some of the same frequencies. So your very thoughts at certain frequencies can be transmitted all over the world very weakly. But if many people are thinking the same thing, increasing the power output, then others may be able to pick it up quite easily.

[@Enterprise-Architect]

Birds use a variety of navigation methods to help them find their way during migration or when searching for food and shelter. Some of the most common methods include using the position of the sun and stars, the Earth's magnetic field, and visual landmarks. Pigeons, in particular, are known for their remarkable ability to navigate and find their way back to their home or roost. Scientists believe that pigeons use a combination of different cues to accomplish this feat, including their sense of smell, their ability to sense the Earth's magnetic field, and their visual memory. One of the most important cues that pigeons use is their sense of smell. Pigeons have a highly developed sense of smell that allows them to detect subtle odors in the air. By memorizing the unique smell of their home or roost, pigeons are able to use their sense of smell to navigate back to it. In addition to their sense of smell, pigeons are also able to sense the Earth's magnetic field. They have tiny magnetic particles in their beaks that help them detect the Earth's magnetic field and use it to orient themselves. This allows them to navigate even on cloudy or overcast days when they cannot see the sun or stars. Finally, pigeons are also able to use visual landmarks to help them navigate. They have a remarkable ability to recognize and remember landmarks such as buildings, trees, and other structures. By memorizing the layout of the area around their home or roost, they are able to use these landmarks to find their way back. Overall, the ability of birds to navigate is a complex and fascinating topic, and scientists are still learning more about how they are able to accomplish this remarkable feat.

[@ALoonwolf]

Like a human they have a few different ways to navigate and use whatever method is currently appropriate, including perhaps this "shared memory" and other things we don't even know about. Another possibility is minute variations in the Earth's charge, which regularly change according to time of day, time of year and location. It may be that if they get lost birds only need to briefly touch the Earth or dip a toe in the sea to vaguely know where and when they are.

[@user-bx2xl7ex7r]

Absolutely fascinating. A good part of me wants this to not be solved. perhaps there is a structure in the body of the pigeon that can read muons or something in the way that the pineal gland can give and receive light. or capture a subtle energy analogous to photosynthesis and or perhaps there is a finer structure to matter that our particle accelerators and microscopes can't read. also reality could be more of a Story than a thing as in the stimulation hypothesis and the notion of Home maybe a fundamental aspect of the Story and exhibit deep connections of life's plot in acausal, retro causality or non locality ways. no doubt you must have a morphic field exploration. oh your talking about that now. Very interesting. Move the home brilliantly simple. is it then still a home then though? love your work Rupert. God bless.

[@SubparFiddle]

To me it still makes too much sense that electro-magnetism is the underlying medium that morphic resonance, migratory processes operate. I just think that there's a lot more subtlety to it than just thinking about it in terms of the Earth's magnetic field and compasses. Maybe we just don't have the tools to measure it the right way.

[@shadowpathfinder7723]

We had them, and then they dismantled Nikola Tesla inventions and hid or shredded the plans

[@bonniesnowqueen7321]

The homing instinct of pigeons probably explains why it is so difficult to remove an unwanted infestation of them.

[@amanitamuscaria7500]

It is fascinating - but I feel a bit sorry for the pigeons, and other creatures being tested.

[@reignhowarth]

Thank you. Enjoyed! Has anyone done research with pigeons in the Bermuda Triangle and what about sound or vibration, could it have something to do with it...

[@CharlieShread]

Magnetoreception - @25:39

[@pappapiccolino9572]

Wonderful Rupert. Please do more of these presentations and way less on the whole Anglican / Christian thing, of which there have been far too many lately.

[@gerrijacobs8426]

To be facetious, I see birds as higher beings when compared to primitive humans. If only there was a way to encourage the pigeons to document, in a clear and simple way, that humans could understand, how they perform these feats.

[@Firestar-rm8df]

Don't they navigate by infrasound?

[@davidallard1980]

Are you sure that it isn't magnetic? What if its not just the north south magnetics, but like the fingerprint of the field in that part of the earth, that they sense and remember? It changes and all that, but not by a lot, and certain parts of the earth have magnetic quirks. Maybe the birds map the quirks?

[@jaytaylor6351]

Hello from Cambridge, I did hear or read some where, that hammer head sharks , have some kind of natural gps system going on, and return to particula spots on the sea bed? luv Jay

[@cindys1819]

But in a serious observation, perhaps various birds and animals can sense or perhaps see a pattern grid or a field of non EM energy which is resident In the earth or the atmosphere. A grid in the sky of a presently unrecognized Energy..... With some kind of features

[@lynettebishop6295]

Imagine the possibilities if most if not all animals have these fields!

[@AuroCords]

Great stuff Rupert! Thank you. I don't have a boat, but I can provide this unanswered pun: How do my great white sharks?

[@groznyentertainment]

this is also true in cats. drop off a cat within few miles the cat can navigate back

[@chrysalis72]

Wow😮❤🎉

[@philindeblanc]

I wonder if there is any relation to how corals relate to themselves regardless of their location. As I heard some talk about how taking a piece of the coral, moving it htousands of miles, and they do something (i forgot) at the same time. Having some built in clock. Maybe that clock can be something that relates to the sun theory. IDK, as you mention they can do this also at night...but there is always the moon :-) ? Maybe a new moon test to rule it out, or maybe it is not just vidsual. Also from higher altitudes vision is far greater and farther than from land. You cal literally see hundreds of miles out. Very interesting topic. Love your inquisitive and true scientific apporach.

[@liamvasey5868]

What about the curvature of the earth? Supposedly 8” per mile squared. Many landmarks, buildings and lighthouses you shouldn’t be able to see at great distances but you can. I’m now a flat earther as there is no evidence of any curve.

[@philindeblanc]

@@liamvasey5868 Tzrue, we see further than we are supposed to. So IDK. We have come to a point that tech is readily available to just about anyone and we can test things ourselves.

[@justiceforallcreation]

Not sure if you look at the comments here, but I have a question regarding these fields. If these fields can be generated, this would also imply they could also be destroyed. Have you done any research on the matter of destroying morphic fields? I only suggest this because there are things such as generational addictions such as alcoholism whereby being able to break or destroy such fields could be beneficial. I also wonder if the Catholic teaching of "redemptive suffering" could also be something which breaks down fields.

[@300387ful]

Rupert's wife Jill is a Family Constellations therapist, I'm sure she could shed light on some of these questions.

[@janklaas6885]

33:23

[@larsthomasdenstad9082]

RFC 1149 is not a joke.

[@judonazim_dot_com_is_a_website]

I got inspired by the movie chaky, If you can design an experiment that artificially reincarnate one soul into another dead body, you can scientifically prove that reincarnation is real. Investigating what happen in the moment of consumption , may also provide some clues on how reincarnation can be achieved by artificial means. Another technology you can invent is a way to detect representation of a soul that left the body, and even a way to communicate with ghosts of people that very recently died, people that undergone NDE, are way more powerful in telepathy communication around the time their soul left their body, but even then, it is not an easy task to them to send us messages that we could easily detect. I assume it is because our physical body blocked their signals, and this is why I think that with a new technology, they(ghosts) could communicate with us effortlessly , meaning we could detect them effortlessly.

[@davidgough3512]

One might call it "Project Noah", but at the risk of hardening the skeptics and over-exciting the fundamentalists.

[@cindys1819]

Do you know who always won the pigeon Races? Well, it was an American actor Walter Pigeon....

[@jfreeman2927]

When Noah let out the birds on the ark.... first one did not make it back. second "dove" (a pigeon) came back with an olive branch= symbol of Venus. she/he had recognized the ark as home. so my second question is, does gender indicate homing ability?

[@Snwman_]

Someone just needs to learn 'pigeon' or ' starling' or 'bird' and ask one. I'm sure they'd be happy to share.

[@charlesastle2077]

would the habits of a society i.e. the consciousness of commonality also be considered a home we return to. as instincts or emotions or religions. as such unlearning might be necessary to return to a previous home roost. i.e. different afterlife's or heavens or to not reincarnate but remain free as to return and stay in our previous prebirth home.

[@wehsee912]

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[@keithdee5396]

Is it possible they have the ability to Navigate on a Quantum level?

[@2550205]

Here is an idea that must have been crushed by the weight of some doubt in some quarter... Birds of a feather count together...:.. a point is that which has no part a sphere is a part that has either Α α fixture parted by points or β points parted by a fixture the center viewed from the extreme is the opposite/inverse/same upside down of the extreme viewed from the center the space defined by the radiant radius is a multiple of the factors from which all numerical representation are create able as representatε ΙΟΝΣ of 3^x X 2^y X 1^Z without exception and the urwrapping of any numerical representation results in the equi valent possible map onto the music scale where the octave repeats in an infinitely precise and a finitely preciΣΕΓ system of wrap/unrap and as explained in book after page after numbered section in the Platonic dialogues the radius represents the same..:... an anagram for seam which draws out as it is drawn ΘΣ diverse ΘΣ oΘΣr ΘΣ parts which when un-parted represent ΘΣ whole now the flying cadre of the spheroid on which the flying on occasion sit the view is always from the concave side of the lens which any good drone pilot is going to be aware of from a spot where the atmosphere flying along with you standing 4000 miles from the center of the crustier part of the at most sphere centerΔ at the point between the poles along the line defined by double the radius in the 60 second multiplied by 60 minute multiplied by 360 ΔΣΓΓΣΣ division that slices the pale blue dot by 1296000 x 1296000 directions just to get war med up for battle precision bombing and other big ideas such as this... long story short the evidence of the blind study appears {emphasis on the ears} to sound out the theory that the birds and other of the concave viewers of the pale blue dot such as butter you know whats and those too have a spherical navigation system which as you have pointed in the pointy discussions is what the formerly labeled vacuum is not only in the you know where that the battery usually occupies but also everywhere that there is the appearance of no thing there is the dis appear ance (ear again) of the thing only not visible and only not detectable at the level of eyes ears and to a lesser degree skin thin or not so much and so the bird can see the imaginary clockwork controlled and controlling grid which the you and the you hiding behind you know is a base 6 system juiced up to 60 to save lives where every line has a perpendicular bisector and a set of parallel points appearing as converging lines polarizing the light and the night for every home bound bird and said bird having lived a life experiencing the spinning of the pale blue dot along with other nauseating spiral night terrors said bird if named nate has what one might refer to as an in nate now ledge or call it knowledge that the pale blue dot spins 1520640000 inches..:..which if a common homer is 12 long is 126720000 homers per hour or well you can start multiplying that by other known units which a bird sitting on a wire with no apple watch to keep itself occupied might have had the occasion to count out loud in groups of 3 2 or 1 throat movements which other members of the wire sitting type might have the capacity to hear and coordinate with a feeling which those who tend to sit on wires for windy reasons might have the capacity to sense in the sense of sensing some thing which is not in the visible realm of thing ism but as all true thing ists will tell you can be really annoying as a headache or a my grain of salt in the eye type of ache which permeates every water bearing cell in ones water bare mind masquerading as a body...but we digress when a bird gets to live for a second and learns the minutes surrounding the hour the day might end making sense when the night starts in the one direction that the day is ending in and the day ends in ΘΣ ΘΝΣ direction that the night begins in with a resulting set of coordinates coordinated with the map that mommy sent along on a wing and in a prayr hatched by the waiting necessary to see motion move in motionless suspension...as one must with the stars of the night sky which when one thinks with bird like orbs stuck to the side of ones head just might be at the level of bird-slight be vidiable (the door just blue open to let in some light) enough to count the cost even through compromised eyes given the fixity of the fixture moving as all statues made by Daedalus do and so by counting which there must be evidence of evidence of in the evident airy pile that must exist everywhere and no where at once the bird always knows where it is by doing arithmetic using base 60 and is never more than 6 units from the coordinates needed to be arrived at and the last 6 need to be seen to be believed the starling murmuration is a spreadsheet moving faster than AI could ever imagine itself traveling in what was not a vacuum in any experiment ever pre tended to the publications for publication what you will not be able to control for is the ever consistent coin like tendencies of the flat earthers with the stein bent vacuity to remain oblivious to the curved effect that slicing a plane in every possible direction presents from the perspective of lengΘ of breadΘ of wiΔΘ ΣΤΨ... short version...:..the earth has a radius of 4000 miles this results in a sphere with a 24000 mile long curve traversing a 24 hour distance over a 24000 mile time span with a consistency that seems to be consistent with the thousands of compounded events that records indicate exist the same sphere is moving this way in another orbit which results in a 67000 mile per hour movement over 365 days give or take what you believe needs to be adjusted after a few trips and you guess what the tres pass is...: it makes perfect sense to a hominid of which there are far fewer than birds the above might be what the church goers like to call a mystery but some bird mother who only goes to church to see the statuary in black and white this is called mastery of the place you live...for the average hominid this used to involve remembering a seven digit number which now is stored on the apple watch

[@rickez3152]

is the title grammatically correct?

[@notreally2406]

Yes

[@rickez3152]

@@notreally2406 ah. homing

[@charlesastle2077]

may i explore past the normal space time structure to the bigger question where is our true home... thus near death experiences and soul Travel ,, if we or each individual could be trained to recognize the feeling of home and safety and security like the pigeons feel for their roost . we each might during needed times of stress fly to our real home for a moment of healing and growth and love. this goes beyond religion to the link between the created and our creator.

[@charlesastle2077]

remote viewing as used by military intelligence to spy is a universal human talent but with some training some r better than others it would seem a corresponding skill in the pigeons with the remote sighting linked to their present position and seeing their route. so remote viewing thru time and space is connected to your morphogenetic field some may call it the akashic record.

[@allmighty9316]

Handcock brought me here

[@notreally2406]

McKenna brought me

[@allmighty9316]

@@notreally2406 Quite

[@FirasSalman-gd9lp]

🪨

[@JoJo-vg8dz]

Easy. Pigeons enter in contact with the pigeon God who tells them where their home is.

[@hiltz0007]

Do birds use the sun?

[@notreally2406]

No

[@johnwoodhead5950]

A man everyone should listen to, who says science is all bollocks? (sorry but that was in the sub heading of a book by one English man who has gone from being mad to becoming very popular) of course it is not!.... Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater

[@Ben-do5vf]

Rupert Sheldrake has gotten me excited about science again. He's truly a marvelous thinker. I hope someone let's Dr. Sheldrake borrow there boat. 👍🥸👍