How Do Men View Women As High Status?

[@anzuzna]

I love Jordan very much, but what he does not take into account is that thanks to the money I acquired as a female, I can afford to look much more attractive and rested... so there is correlation between money and attractiveness for women.

[@tcskips]

I agree, and also think that the social circles a woman in a high earning career will have will increase her chances of meeting a high value man than if she was in a lower earning career. A good university might do that too, insofar as it gives women the opportunity to mix with men like that or who will one day be that.

[@anzuzna]

@@tcskips excellent point!

[@nccamsc]

@@tcskips There are some universities, e.g. in the US South, that women enroll into in order to find a husband.

[@GreenEyedRogue]

You're missing the point. Hetero women, generally, assign to men, by assumption, their own perspective and then criticize those men for words or actions that don't align with those same preassigned assumptions. To the point, women tend to assume that men value in women the same things women value in men or in themselves. It's also, generally true that women want their men to earn more than they do. High income earning women struggle with not viewing negatively any man who makes less than her. This drastically narrows the poll of acceptable men to a fraction of the top 1%. Add to that the other common requirements of 6'+, handsome, athletic and you, as a decent looking, accomplished woman are competing with tens of thousands of women for the attention of a few hundred men. These same top tier men, especially the self made, are generally not looking for a woman who is likely to challenge their authority and they have no shortage of attention from young women at the peak of their physical beauty. You can work out until you're approaching Olympic athlete levels of fitness, and get every cutting edge beauty treatment known--you can become the hottest 40 year old in the boardroom but if you're holding out for the Thomas Crown type, you're probably going to lose out to the 24 year old spin instructor who dropped out of college.

[@anzuzna]

⁠@@GreenEyedRogueI think that you’re missing the point of the phrase „missing the point“. My comment has nothing to do with what you’ve written and surely I understand what Jordan means. And how do you know who am I? And what my preferences are. Personally, what Jordan said and what you’ve written has place to be in theory. But in practice, as a female (maybe a rare type idk) - I don’t like to compete. I would rather go for a man who is NOT top 2%, because I don’t want to deal with his bullshit and choice of women and lack of time. I am with someone who treats me nicely, loves me, respects me :) as soon as people stop taking this hierarchy thing seriously and start treating one another nicely - there would be much less single people. And don’t you notice how you pre-assign your views to everyone (for example, that I’m missing the point)? Everyone does that (even according to Jordan) that’s how we evaluate the world around (and to evaluate we need to pre-assign and then see if that what’ve we pre-assigned meets the mark). But these theories (also Jordan) is bunch of intellectual fiction. The real world works differently.

[@gracefulgardenia7713]

But female economic viability is what gives women the option to say No.

[@rosethorn0232]

That gives women the option to say no and remain single. Prioritizing attractiveness gives women the option to say no and still have many relationship options lined up.

[@gracefulgardenia7713]

@@rosethorn0232 sure but who needs relationships with men when you have your own money? 💅love yourself.

[@manifest2203]

@@rosethorn0232 rich women have relationships too- maybe not with the same man through out 😂 But most get kids. And kids are forever.

[@mypaleogut]

Perhaps female economic viability is good for the woman to make her feel safe and secure to be able to say no just it has no value to men. Me for example I’m single and independently wealthy I have the freedom to say yes and no. However my money stays with me I don’t bring it into any relationship he provides. It think what Jordan says makes a lot of sense

[@gracefulgardenia7713]

@@mypaleogut Well female economic viability helps the woman stay attractive as she can get plastic surgeries, afford nice clothes, spa treatments etc. It's just that men are so jealous of women who have their own money. They don't know what they want and can't figure themselves out. They will never be happy.

[@sunmoonstars0369]

Yes as a female I agree with this, holding back and not sleeping around regardless of beauty, age, income etc. You will feel your status internally as valuable if you are discerning and conservative with tnis.

[@ambermartinez2616]

​@@JaneSmith-j7e leave them ....🤷‍♀️

[@kellymccabe3787]

@@JaneSmith-j7eNo. please don’t say this. Personal experience? Honestly a true fear. To be “selective”, say no, as a female deny yourself sexual experiences, meet someone only for them to not value that you valued yourself basically. Lol.

[@mewmew1591]

waiting for the right one is a perfectly valid decision, but I think it's often done for the wrong reasons... don't do it to make someone like you, because if that someone likes you as a person, and not just the idealization of what the perfect woman should be, he won't care how many there were first, he'll want to be the last one Anyone who tries to convince you to have sex before you're ready (no matter what that ready implies, as if it's never) is fundamentally evil, but so is anyone who tries to convince you to abstain if you really want to do it and are informed about it Free will, above everything and everyone... which includes eating the consequences of whatever decision you make, and both can end badly, either an unwanted pregnancy with all its problems on one side or an old age surrounded by cats and bitterness (bitterness being the real problem, cats are cool) on the other

[@sarah-kk4om]

Where I live you then become too ‘good’ for the men around

[@bystander1s]

Lol wut 😂 education, intelligence, manners, money, etc, gives you a status and power. Well, unless you're a Muslim..

[@frenchie_at_heart7387]

“Voluntary no” is powerful, as a young woman in the dating game. It really shows a man’s true character when he hears the word “no” from a woman. It helped me select my current partner, and in return, he saw a deep value in me because I had standards.

[@kellymccabe3787]

Explain this more in depth please! It’s hopeful.

[@bluelotus9654]

Well yes sure and many women say No, especially when dating. They may even say no when they first meet certain people, then get involved or marryi etc. So at certain point they say Yes. So this logic only goes. I'm not sure Jordan Peterson has throught it through that far. It doesn't always guarantee a person will be valued though. There are many factors.

[@MCGamerD]

This explains a lot. Young women should know that you do not, or hardly ever ever, regret saying no and letting guys go. It’s saying yes that gives many regrets. The right guy is worth the wait.

[@Loner-DestroyedWoman]

I regret it. I can't get any guy now

[@MCGamerD]

@@Loner-DestroyedWoman It’s not as bad as it could be probably. It’s not like the 16th century where people could be ruined. So called friends told lies about me but I eventually found someone. My older sister who had been around found someone. There is hope even if it is not too intimate. That’s what I think anyway.

[@Loner-DestroyedWoman]

@@MCGamerD it's not about the reputation. Who cares about that. I'm saying I can't attract men. I get no men interested in me at all. Sometimes I think there are things I could've done differently, but maybe it was hopeless even back then.

[@alexahamilton6074]

The ability and willingness to walk away is also the corner stone of any negotiation.

[@TheCoolpar]

Well by this definition I am high status woman. I have high moral standards and I say no to drinking, sleeping around but that’s why I am also single since a long time since guys get scared as they can find someone to sleep around easily. And that’s the harsh truth.

[@SEVENTHREEANDNINE]

Absolutely

[@Red_1976]

Agree 100%

[@dzzzzzz1]

Ditto!!

[@windssn3z]

Isn't it better though? Imagine you are all happy sleeping around "discovering the type of people u are" and one day by any chance u are diagnosed with any STDs. A partner should be someone who elevates your happiness instead of being a soul reason behind it. Health is more important.

[@TheCoolpar]

@@windssn3z yes absolutely I live by the motto that a partner should add to my happiness rather than giving me stress. I just want basic moral values to align, loyalty, mutual respect. These are high on my priority but unfortunately these days it’s hardest to find. People want shallow relationships and that’s why I said I am single since a long time. When I talk to someone I want to know their intention and people usually say casual fun dates and see where it goes. There is absolutely no intention to find a long term relationship. I have actually been told by men that I need to sleep around to find someone and I was like no I would rather stay single than lower my standards.

[@DR-cr3zo]

this is true. As a woman who makes a lot of money I can assure you, the minute a man finds out about this, I become less attractive to them

[@goddessglow6996]

Means they can’t use and discard you

[@lorrilewis2178]

Good. It weeds out the weak insecure ones.

[@CaptainSurfy]

Why do you guys assume they are insecure? This is what’s wrong with society stop being so narcissistic. Men don’t go in where they aren’t needed so sure a guy with more money won’t have as much of a problem but a guy with lower economic income isn’t going to be with you simply because he’s not needed as a man to do his providing part. That doesn’t make him insecure or bad, this is just basic male biology yet you women never try to understand how men think. 50% of women are projected to be single and childless by 2030, the common denominator seems to be invisible to you

[@moni2675]

I thought it was the other way around they want me to have more but aim from Louisiana 😂

[@dante19890]

​​@lorrilewis2178 men universally don't prefer rich women even if they are wealthy. Its not because of the money but because of the personality type that get a lot of money. It's very masculine.

[@mariab391]

Making good money as a young woman is one of the core pillars of me being able to say NO to mediocre men. I don’t get impressed by money. A lot of women still don’t have this privilege. “Having money doesn’t make a woman more attractive” exactly because it means she is now more “difficult”. Men need to try harder, just paying for stuff isn’t enough anymore. And so guys would really wish women stayed broke and virgin, virgin and broke, because what else could give you that insane power dynamics leverage with women.

[@dsstudio76]

I used to be middle class when I met my ex husband, and for him I was poor. Funny is I always knew my self worth and has nothing to do with my education level ( I have a bachelor in design) , or neither arrogance, but yet a real good and deep perception of my own being. Never ever atributed with any type of status or professional position. This is why so many American men have been chosen us, latinas or Asians for marriage. We don’t have this ridiculous entitlement of many educated white women. 😉

[@Ytvzoey]

I agree with him to an extent. It has to be a genuine no. I had a friend who said “no” to a really great guy I’ve set them up with as a way to seem more desirable. Completely unnecessary and they definitely regretted it in the end - nobody is interested in playing games. Which is what she was doing. She’s gorgeous and definitely had a lot going for her but I think it just goes to show that even the most gorgeous woman is going to come off as undesirable the moment you start playing games. Say no because you genuine mean no - ie - maybe you like someone else. But if you’re set up with a guy who is exactly who you talk about wanting - then saying no is just a power play. Note - I’m not talking about saying no to sexual intimacy. I’m referring to refusing to go out on a third date even though you absolutely do like the guy all because you want them to chase you. This is not where saying “no” is a good idea.

[@zakosist]

Good point. But if you say a genuine no to even dating a person (at least if it seems like "at all" and not just "not yet") then you clearly have left out that person from your options. I think if there is some interest, its more about saying you can wait and want to get to know them better before you decide, which is also much smarter if you want a serious relationship. I get why "playing games" would lower your attractiveness

[@alisonreed4408]

Depends on how she said no and context, but oftentimes if a guy stops pursuing the woman because she said no to one date, he was not interested enough to invest/ put in the effort in the first place.

[@Ytvzoey]

@alisonreed4408, I agree. But I should have clarified it was more so a manipulative “no” because he pursued her quite a bit. Asked many times, stood on his head, bent over backwards, and she was enjoying the attention. Actively flaunting about it behind his back - and not in a good way. It’s hard to explain. You had to be there. But sometimes people say no for the attention of being chased - and this is absolutely a bad idea. It comes off as unattractive. She definitely learned her lesson from. They were absolutely a good match for one another - and in the end they both ended up with other people and they’re both happy. But she also learned a valuable lesson from that experience that playing games doesn’t work. Im not saying that they ended up with the wrong people. It’s just unfortunate that she didn’t play that game and learn it with a different guy. Sometimes I think these kinds of shabby messages that tell women to let a guy chase you leads to really good guys deciding moving on from women who have simply been given horrible advice. I don’t think guys like chasing women unless they’re players. And why would any woman want to attract a player? A man that likes a woman will ask her out and won’t get bored by her saying yes. He ought to have enough intelligence to be stimulated by - I dunno - a conversation? Playing games with guys never ever works. It works with immature boys who only want the idea of a relationship. It sounds so basic and grandma - but a man with good values, who has his act together, who is r capable of committing, doesn’t want to play games. He just doesn’t. I’ve never ever seen it any other way.

[@Ytvzoey]

@zakosist - yes - agreed. Telling a guy you want to take things slow and get to know them is more so the kind of “no” that can make a woman more attractive. Absolutely. I guess I heard “no” as a woman saying “heck no I don’t wanna be with you.” But yes - pulling the breaks and saying you want to get to know the person absolutely will/can increase attraction on both ends - both the man and the woman.

[@dsstudio76]

She is immature. Period. 🇧🇷

[@janedoe5229]

I never had money, so I was quick to say yes, because I was in financial trouble. But this got me abusive guys. If I had my own money I could have said "No" all day to everyone. Even rich guys expect you to be at their beck and call, and I would rather live my life for myself. Only my own money can help me do that.

[@academiadream]

For me it was the opposite, I never had any money and I had never an abusive man, NEVER, I have only met gentlemen and I was going to marry a wealthy guy once but I fell in love in a more interesting, charming and attractive guy with no money at all 😂😂😂 we got married and now we're going to have our first child after 8 years of working things up (money wise). ❤

[@adinaknorr9460]

Kaboom❣️ Congratulations you have figured out the key to being a happy & free woman. Being free to make your own choices & live how you want to. True freedom is PRICELESS! U HAVE LEVELED UP! U WIN THE GAME. PLEASE DO ENJOY YOUR LOVELY LIFE😃🤩🫡 Please keep telling the other women how to live happy!

[@LimaFoxtrot_98]

This is very true. This is why more experienced women in the dating market will make long term potential partners wait.

[@charlottemac7912]

He is right ❤❤❤ there is power NO accepting anything and everything is a element of despair... reserving yourself is definitely key 🎉🎉🎉

[@glde_lilsar7778]

Saying no implies that woman is not afraid. That she has gained freedom

[@pallinagialla97]

I know many attractive girls who choose lower wage guys than them, simply because they choose men based on their emotional intelligence or good looks, compared to their money status. But I live in Europe, so maybe in the US it's different. Edit: I mean, it seems normal that women preferences for men may not be related to money as nowadays women have more degrees than men and as a consequence have high wage jobs. But, again, maybe this applies more to Western Europe than other places...

[@stevensenator4804]

So true. The paradox is that most men are looking for a beautiful woman who is a pushover. But the reality is they will get bored with them very easily. Also, men don't think of women with a high body count as marriage material.

[@dcoughla681]

This is a generalisation. Some men are interested in a woman’s money, whether acquired or inherited wealth, no matter what the woman looks like or someone who is like their mother. It all depends.

[@alecsinger3364]

No, they don't. Traditional relationships have the lowest divorce rate and highest happiness rate (conservative women are the happiest).

[@voccessbg5396]

​​@@alecsinger3364conservative women are just high on coping skills. That's practically the only way they could live with themselves. Ofc loads of men are interested in making a quick buck by attaching themselves to wealthy woman. Human history is littered with these cases, they have practically become a trope in our arts and media.

[@ACoolNewDay]

@@alecsinger3364I beg to differ

[@iyounghuang5433]

​​@@alecsinger3364😅 hell no. Relationships is two way street. I witness it, how married to "ugly" man that project his ugliness to his wife is hell. That woman, the traditional , conservative woman stuck, not happy at all. One of the ugliness is "not enough".

[@MeMeMeMe-uc8th]

Being too smart, too independent and financially well off are big draw backs for women, even if they are beautiful.

[@dsstudio76]

The too smart ended alone.

[@erinsymone1645]

Saying no is only attractive if you as a woman are beautiful. I’ve never slept around (still a virgin actually) but it really doesn’t matter because I’m not an attractive woman. The “no” only holds power if the guy actually wants you, so the ball still ends up in his court because it all depends on him deeming you as worthy enough to pursue in the first place.

[@iyounghuang5433]

@@erinsymone1645 I Wonder how you look , I think you are beautiful. Just need confidence and self worth.

[@maitri653]

​@@iyounghuang5433 ❤

[@dudewhathappenedtomycountr9099]

@@iyounghuang5433 Wonderful response. Most men care much more about a woman's loyalty and other inner qualities than her looks.

[@amandac.d.a.2837]

⁠In fact, wealthy and educated women have access to environments where they easily meet high value men. They also have more means to take care of their health and beauty. I am a doctor and most of my females colleagues are maried to male doctors. My fiance is engineer and he encourages me to seek higher positions in my career. Only weak men want mediocre women so they can feel a little better about themselves.

[@kellyely9113]

High status women train men by telling them "no" until they offer the correct experience. If a woman wants to use a man, all she has to do is say yes to to his initial offer, get what she wants and move on to another candidate. A lot of women may use men for dates, gifts and their acts of service if they are unable to attain a viable mate, mostly because they aren't looking for a mate at all. Men tend to "shoot fish in a barrel" when it comes to dating, casting a wide net and seeing what they catch and often will find what they are looking for and throw the rest back (if they are looking for monogamy that is) and women that do this same thing end up with things, dinners, dates and such, but no mate. Women need to be selective with their time, indicating it is valuable and precious, and that it is not to be wasted, but savored and cherished.

[@1Plebeian]

@kellyely9113 it indicates a value system other than materialism and social advantage. It also indicates true commitment if "solved". That said, I'm not sure sitting back and "receiving" is a good interpretation of it "modality".

[@Little_Vampiregirl]

All the generalizations in this comment section... Men want this, women have to do this and stop doing that... Y'all should accept that there are plenty of types and characters when it comes to human with different expectations regarding relationships.

[@charlottepeukert9095]

The concept of high value in women is not defined here. If what he says is true, a beautiful girl could easily get married to an affluent man in her late teens. That's obviously not the case. The reason, why women pursue careers is, not only, but to a large extent,due to the unwillingness of men to enter marriages and start families relatively early in life. If a woman says, she doesn't want a higher education and wants to be a mother and raise a couple of children, this plan will be frowned upon as she needs a well educated, ambitious and hard working husband, who supports her. I know very few men, who are ready to do this. Furthermore, where's a woman supposed to find such a partner, if she's not from a rich and affluent backround? Even in these circles, many women are getting married, who are neither pretty nor wife material. They're getting married for their money.

[@geofractal]

Perhaps, but that is aneffext and not primary.

[@manifest2203]

Exactly. Most people marry within their class. Beautiful, young women from a lower social class marrying ri5ch m4n is rare. One of the reason that women should level up is, they can meet their husband there.

[@charlottepeukert9095]

@@geofractal If a guy is wealthy and is looking for beauty and youth in a woman, his best bet is the entertainment industry.Then, why do men not actively search there and are getting married to women, who are moving in their circles? These ladies are not beautiful enough to become models ( at least not the majority of them), they aren't exceptionally bright (at least their CVs don't hint to that), there's little talent to be found or not developed, so what do they have to show for? Youth, connections and money.But, wait, those aren't the traits of a high value woman. She'd put her best food forward, pursue a career, wouldn't just get a job as an office girl in her father's business, study something hard ( engeeniering, math,music, sience, medicine, law) you get the picture. She'd not go to parties, not sleep around and would use her families recourses to find her path outside of the family office. She'd be successful in her own right and thereby show her resiliance, strength, intelligence and character. But men are looking for ladies who're young, rich and dependent.

[@yzma6142]

THIS. If you’re not in the circles with these men it’s unlikely you’d be able to marry one, regardless of how you look and how often you say “no” to other men. Assortative mating almost always wins.

[@AnaSchultz-kx9tq]

Is funny to see people believing rich men marry poor women when is more an exception that only happens to women very above average in looks qnd older or low self steem Men.

[@lotus8341]

He is correct. Even if having money makes a woman more physically attractive because she can be well rested this is not the kind of attractiveness he is talking about. He is talking about overall attractiveness. So even if a woman has a lot money and is well rested and physically more attractive because of it she still will be less attractive than a woman who can say no and hold firm boundaries compared to a more physically attractive woman who has no boundaries.

[@ar7774]

Anne of Boleyn became queen off that concept.

[@spoofsister]

Good that not all women are interested in aquiring a provider-male and depending on him financially. There is more to life than reproducing. As I am financially independant I can choose from a wider pool of companions which might be less wealthy but maybe more interesting, loving, devoted, free and less tired, busy and entitled.

[@Tania-q2k1m]

Watch out, low earning or unattractive men can be just as selfish & disloyal. Seems like many of them feel inferior and don't believe you can really love them, don't love themselves and thus try to use you because they think that's what people do and maybe you're not too bright to not realize that you can do better (even if that's not what you are thinking). Getting duped by an ugly duckling or having a guy not pay his fair share AND not do the majority of the house work sucks.

[@spoofsister]

@@Tania-q2k1m Well I don‘t date ugly, I don‘t pay for men nor do I need a man to do housework. They have to add joy to my life, not more not less. If the judge me wrong they will see first time they try me with something sketchy

[@DT-wh4qr]

I am disappointed at this simplistic take on Women by Jordan. I am a female surgeon and don't put men with money on a high pedestal. I am attracted to intelligent , cultured, well educated men. It isn't me saying no that makes me attractive rather the fact that I seek higher status men because I happen to be high status woman. This is the reason college educated women have a hard time finding men of equal or greater stature since more women than men are enrolling in colleges and the non college educated men are simply not as attractive to high status men even though they may be higher up on the financial scale

[@skylineBlueSun]

👏👍✅

[@AA-qd4pq]

He’s referring to mainstream society who are not using their brains. You clearly are using your brain.

[@fs5775]

he’s famous for his simplistic takes on women 🙄🥱😒

[@dante19890]

Women can't really be high status cuz men don't choose women based on that. A women's income is irrelevant to her attractiveness.

[@amandac.d.a.2837]

@@dante19890but wealthy and educated women have access to environments where they easily meet high value men. I am a doctor and most of my females colleagues are maried to male doctors. My fiance is engineer and he encourages me to seek higher positions in my career. Only weak men want mediocre women so they can feel a little better about themselves.

[@stein-fredricsvendsen8530]

If a woman is pretty kind and seductive. Most men dont care what degree

[@MariaAmazony]

In my case, a single 42 year old people say I choose too much and that's why I didn't marry anyone. Simply couldn't find normal guy with good hearth and a job.

[@ENZERYN]

What?? I don't believe that

[@MariaAmazony]

It's true...

[@bhavikapandey8]

​@@ENZERYN she didn't say that good men don't exist she simply did not come across one with whom she might have felt romantic attraction as well🥰

[@ENZERYN]

@@bhavikapandey8 i understand, good men are something methodical and idealistic and never the first choice. (I'm a male btw)

[@MariaAmazony]

I did come across with one guy 3 years ago, love at first sight for both of us, but he is happily married...I can't explain the pain we both felt it's out of this world...

[@MiniHarpist]

I dont think that this "no" should be viewed at an andividual level towards a man. But that she says no to most men, dates, excessive partying and sexual encounters in general.

[@juliejohnson5724]

Very perceptive and when she finally decides to say yes why? What changed?

[@deborahwilson6970]

In the words of Mohammed Ali to his daughters, "men dig for treasure."

[@GinaR21212]

This only matters to people that are worried about status, I would rather have love than status. Above all, the only thing that matters is love.

[@bcvc3365]

I just had an aha moment 😮

[@Tania-q2k1m]

I think an issue for long term relationships is even if the woman is chased by the man (she said no enough and is thought of as high status) it seems like the man is let down whenever he does "get" her. The drive to chase is important to men, so what's the solution? For her not to get too close ever and continue to raise her standards or him even though they're married? For him to somehow be settled by not having to chase her or redirecting that chasing thrill to other healthy avenues (work, for example)? It's always a back and forth.....I do think that, potentially sadly but potentially just to cater to basic biology, that women should continue to have her man chase her. It's natural though for women to want to be more open and giving as time goes on in a relationship, but it's like the man wants her to stay distant and difficult to get on his wavelength so he doesn't get bored .....I suppose having kids would throw a wrench in there where the woman would naturally give the man less attention for a period of time and thus make her attention for him have to be chased/earned more....though having kids also puts a strain on the relationship for many reasons - one is that some men can't handle even a relatively short period of being ignored (even though it benefits their own baby) so instead of feeling motivated to earn herb attention he just feels resentful..........oh humans.

[@Vishfeast]

I believe the ability to say no to something benefits both sexes! It exudes a whole array of traits like, abundance, self conviction, rational thinking and a not a people pleaser. You can't really have a great relationship if you think you can still give your time/energy to everything else. If you want something because of it's greatness, then other options should not appear to direct your actions. By saying no to something, show's that you realize your worth and what you want.

[@lukey6534]

They just go to someone else. In our current crazy world no gets taken as a no and on to the next one because its too confusing now.

[@toptiercrip]

saying a word doesnt exude anything buddy

[@Vishfeast]

@@toptiercrip yes it does! People more then often will agree to everything due to the pressures of surroundings. Especially if you are in a weakened position. Are you saying you are a yes man?

[@toptiercrip]

@@Vishfeast words mean nothing energy is what people care bout

[@toptiercrip]

@@Vishfeast how did yes man reach in this ? lol

[@lucias4560]

Maybe but I don't feel inclined to say no to a man I'm really interested in only to play games about my status. 😅

[@CaptainSurfy]

@@lucias4560 he’s talking about saying no to sex not the opportunity to be with him

[@andreamajor9798]

This would be all nice and true if we were animals but thank God (literally) that we are humans with a soul! 😇

[@js9273]

All this "evaluating status" crap is massively overblown. Maybe people just get on?

[@maciamay1393]

So true! Peterson thinks love is some kind of a deal making process.

[@sylviaowega3839]

Having observed certain behavioural patterns I would definitely agree the beauty, nurturing ability and the ability to say “no” certainly do elevate a woman’s status, and I will also add here that the ability to interact socially and the equitation of adequate social skills also significantly contributes to it. I know that as a female whom was quite attractive, had great reproductive ability, and whom had no difficulties saying “no”, had the issue of being social awkward during the most reproductive years, and highly suspect that I could have had much greater choice of top quality men should I had all the social graces. Men also desire women that have all the social graces, so they could present to the community their prize wife, whom doesn’t embarrass them.

[@jant3528]

In layman’s terms, don’t be desperate, ladies

[@goroch_thegreen]

I don't ask man how they view me. I just do things that make me happy. I don't care about status. I just make money to spend them on things that make me happy.

[@dsstudio76]

Same here! Hello from Dior . 😉

[@kingsta4145]

This is true.... I have seen it on Bridgerton🤣

[@oliviasmit2657]

When you look at how Asma said no ( in the end ) to Ammar in Love is blind Habibi, it’s exactly that !! He would not accept her dancing and so she said no. You could tell Ammar was shocked. He is a very handsome dentist and probably never heard a no before. She really set an example there.. especially because they are from more traditional countries ( Syria and Morocco if I’m correct).

[@Largo1845]

Always the woman who has to say 'no' to all the fun stuff in life. Life is short, just enjoy it.

[@chelsy2255]

typical male limited and inadequate. to women sex isn't fun. sex has nothing to do with fun.

[@Little_Vampiregirl]

Most women are smart enough to have fun with men farer away from the place she lives and when she finds a partner she just doesn't tell him about it. Easy as that.

[@chelsy2255]

@@Little_Vampiregirl that's how you do it. some women still think they owe men truth or they have to please men, and these are the women that come online to complain how they've been done by men. believe men brainwash and manipulation at your peril.

[@chelsy2255]

we're not saying no to fun stuff. but fun to us isn't the same what's fun for men. typical male, assuming and projecting onto women. most men have a 12 yo mindset and operate at that level unfortunately, that's the main problem in relationships.

[@dsstudio76]

@@Little_Vampiregirl very hypocritical. Fake.

[@concken1]

There's something to this - it's what our fore-bearers used to tell us - to respect ourselves. But even look at Melania Trump. She turned him down several times. But he respects her more than his other women!

[@miffyvonne]

What are you talking about? He still cheated on her with the p0rn star

[@RodriHermo]

Basically, that he is young, pretty and not easy, gotcha

[@alwaysright3943]

A woman saying "no" only means anything if she hasn't said "yes" to a bunch of men before you. Jordan still lives in the 60's. In 2024 it's safe to assume that a woman saying no isn't a proxy for chastity, just for lack of interest.

[@1Plebeian]

@@alwaysright3943 or obnoxious fanciful imaginary criteria. Not a whole lot of mature feminine virtue going around.

[@geofractal]

So confused.

[@1Plebeian]

@alwaysright3943 exactly. Saying no used to imply she had higher values. Now it implies low interest and higher solipsism.

[@alwaysright3943]

@@geofractal Why? It’s pretty straightforward

[@geofractal]

@@alwaysright3943 you think so.

[@pamelapiazza1974]

I remembered the song "dime que no" (tell me NO) de Ricardo Arjona

[@Aashiiii29]

I think everything depends on what type of environment person got in childhood than in adulthood , what type mentality they build up looking upon people around him/her so yes i may have totally different and opposite experience and personal opinion than him .

[@MMC-jp1gl]

No still means no at the drunken frat party. God bless~

[@Einzefugen]

It is wrong. women who have higher economic status say the word "no" to the offer by high men more than lower status woman and if woman's status is associated with this "no" then it is a contradiction. woman should have high correlation between economic status and sexual success if it is true.

[@renevalice3056]

it does make sense to choose from the top down, when women acquire more status and success in their world of work and business. Men typically do exhibit competition between themselves in displaying kinds of wealth, stability, and means to traverse the world and high strata of economic pursuits (vacations, parties, business hierarchy, luxuries, etc..). Attraction definitely is contrasting- men typically have the need for looking competent, masculine, and reserved/ humble in their professional careers, and women could be seen as elegant, disciplined, and elusive in the career world, making them look challenging and desirable to date and possibly marry.

[@EugénieOuchakova]

How about giving love&feeling? it's never a game when the things are REAL between two people.

[@annajoy1009]

“NO” is superpower and women needs to know the strength within…than compare with others

[@magnanorth4713]

Jordan, thank you

[@l3hxy]

Men and women both judge status based on the ability to say no. Women look for men who can make decisions with confidence, sometimes that looks like a backbone. It's the "fake it till you make it" concept in a different form. That leaves me with thinking it's simply time for men and women to make steps towards mass evolving past that of the superficial. Your offspring has a higher chance for happiness if given the mind of Alan Watts than the face of Marilyn Monroe, and therefore it is illogical that society make beauty the measurement of status.

[@CaptainSurfy]

@@l3hxy I agree with the first part of your comment but listen you can’t fight biology no matter how much you want things to be different.

[@l3hxy]

​@@CaptainSurfy True, but I think we can fight biology with other biology and direct our evolution

[@CaptainSurfy]

@@l3hxy nonsense

[@AreolaGold]

😌 it brings out the true colors in them n if you like what your seeing then say yeah. I don’t even pay attention because it’s just not a priority for me. I’m building something that is just for me and my kids n if I make friends n well it’s fun, it’s hard work but it’s worth it so if any male can be that right here right now then I might just watch them to see how far they go..I can’t lose focus on what’s important n I really don’t care cuz going after that is what got me hurt in the first place. I imagined the one for me will be someone I can be excited to see not anxious so if they make me feel like everything is a question then it’s not for me. Anyway see ya

[@HeavenlyLights]

2:10 That’s me…since I was 14 years old…

[@mystudio21k]

And what young girl is supposed to take away from this? At any cost she needs to fit into todays cosmatics standard so that she can keep her power sharpened? Nothing else matters? To be high status? I understand he is laying facts of society, but he is also educating people. Isn't it?

[@rosethorn0232]

The lesson for women is: find a good man when you are still young and at your most attractive, and do not give yourself away to low value men before you find the one. That's what saying no means. Men are disgusted by women with high body counts when they are looking for a long term relationship.

[@amiiwaa-c2v]

You seem very triggered by this video. I can totally understand this, I am a young woman, too. What you can take from this video is that while having money and a great career is wonderful for a woman, beauty and connection to one 's s**uality are more important to men looking for a partner. That doesn't mean you should get plastic surgery. Take care of yourself, hair, skin etc. Work out, eat healthy. Dress well. Do a hobby that brings joy into your life.

[@manifest2203]

@@rosethorn0232 most people want someone in the middle- body count shouldn’t be too high or too low. But a woman should level up so that she can meet her husband there.

[@manifest2203]

You are so right. He is confusing everything.

[@CaptainSurfy]

@@mystudio21k listen ladies the higher your body count the lower quality men you will attract. The lower it is the higher quality men will interact but it’s not the only thing that makes them interested. Men generally want a woman in somewhat the same economic pool but not earning higher than him. Don’t be a bottom feeder and expect a rich guy to marry you either. The thing that Jordan is saying here is that the more a woman earns the lower chances are for her to find a guy because there’s less guys up on the economic ladder. And as we see more and more less of them and more women there, the dynamic will change in the future coming years. 45 to 50% women are projected to be single and childless by 2030. That should tell you something

[@dianneedwards4757]

Men these days look for women who have economic status.

[@Red_1976]

Absolutely. It’s paramount women take care and keep thier financial affairs private. My last relationship almost cost me my life savings. Keep your affairs quiet until there is a ring on your finger.

[@thehdrealtour6556]

Jordan's making some verbal mistakes, "Men is" instead of "men are," and some stumbling of his words. He's either tired, hungry, or something is going on with him. Usually, he's razor sharp.

[@doymon]

Yep, I noticed the same and thought the same! About 10 seconds before the ‘men is’ thing, there was another mistake somehow (word ordering to make total clear sense). Surprising indeed!

[@doymon]

‘Economic prowess isn’t as attractive to them’, when talking about women. He’s meaning to say that women having economic prowess doesn’t make them notably more attractive, but he’s getting it muddled up. Surprising indeed!

[@EllaNonimato]

Your dissection is stupidity

[@MisanThrope-cu1mw7fj3p]

If the "no" comes from actual substance and abundance of offers, then yes, that's fair. But if it comes from some degenerate, narcissistic sense of undeserved self-worth, that is pathological.

[@manifest2203]

The point is, anyone can say no. And anyone who says no often is respected.

[@adrianalily5416]

No means no coming from anyone… You don’t determine a persons value God does

[@ShalimarPicasso]

So the Rules book was right after all, yes? 😅...I don't think saying no has anything to do with status, it has to do with desirability. We all want things that are not easily atteinable more. And it has to do with respect. Putting healthy boundaries in place will earn you the respect of others.

[@4seasons546]

Truth ❤ bomb 💣 💥

[@maciamay1393]

Humour and intelligence? Creativity and wit? Self possession? Love of art and nature? Kindness and warmth? Jordan Peterson is just delivering his own narrow transactional view of desirability. He has no understanding of women as actual people at all.

[@MimiSidd22]

Islam teaches us all these values and integrity and self respect already. Blessed to be muslim.

[@annakarina8417]

All religions teach same. I'm Christian catholic

[@cosmictreason2242]

Both of the above comments are falsehood

[@janedoe5229]

What about honor killings, female circumcision, and polygamy?

[@emilyanneaurelius]

The explanation for women's status is not explained or rationalized satisfactorily.

[@skylineBlueSun]

I agree with you

[@MichaelDuciaume-yq6dc]

Love doesn’t get rid of the financial cancer of the world, chemotherapy does.

[@Mako-L82]

In reality it’s really not the only thing matters. I’d say an attractive man with wealth wants a woman more attractive than himself with slightly less wealth. Can’t be hugely different in each trait. But each gender weighs it slightly more differently. Even society doesn’t actually respect. A hot blonde 19 year old with a 75 year old saggy ugly filthy rich guy with a cigar. Surely most people find it a bit gross don’t you?

[@eltedelarosa]

What if the man has other options, he'd just pull away. When there are plenty choices, some would chase him and offer for free. It's not always a committed relationship all men want, is it?

[@1Plebeian]

And we're supposed to like them?

[@Fugazi667-u3c]

I think every man is different, Jordan, that's why you don't have to tell utube every single thought you have on every topic

[@gyanprakashraj4062]

😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉KURAA VALUED...HO...😂😂😂😂

[@dena_9518]

First farmers were women. How good you are at making food, cooking, balancing family connections is women status. Beauty is the last thing.

[@TokyoTaisu]

You sure? I could say after beauty all these traits you mention come second.

[@alwaysright3943]

lmao

[@alecsinger3364]

Agreed.

[@katherinefullbody4635]

Interesting

[@77Tadams]

He isn't correct. You have to have the money as a younger adult female in order to have the nice clothing, the salon money (hair, nails, lashes), then you have to be at least an 8. This will also land you positions the put you closer to the men that are high value so you can say no to some of them. You can't just not have money. It helps if your parents pay for your level (send you to university and pay for your beauty) so you can level up with the higher status men. It is a small window at that because the cut off for women to these men is around 27.

[@motheryuba57]

Wonder if this is true. Looking back to my 20's when I said yes to a high status male, then was home alone and pregnant without my work social circle and my husband was working long hours and sometimes 6 days aweek building our future stability. But i was too ignorant to know this. I was lonely so found a low status available man who had the time to spend with me and ended up leaving my marriage to have an affair with a the low status guy who had more time. That didn't work out. Thus began my years as a single mom attempting to both work and parent. Also another question, what constitutes high and low status among older single people who are dating and looking for a partner for different reasons. Already have grown children. Do older divorced men find a woman of similar economic status/financial independence preferable to an attractive but not financially secure woman. Is it still based on sexual attractiveness later in life?

[@NatalieSelene]

The more I tell men no, the more they won't go away and it's actually really annoying.

[@yasko62]

If you don't have the ability to earn your living, you have no choice than using your attractiveness to get support from others, regardless of your sex. Men do that, too, when they are not smart enough but are physically attractive. I think Jordan attributes too much to gender difference when its actually about the capability difference.

[@EstherCamilo]

desculpa, mas isso é meio óbvio. Precisa ser professor de Harvard para perceber isso?

[@dsstudio76]

E ainda tem que usar um vocabulário tão difícil? 😂😂😂

[@joannsmith3589]

Sorry but men are also attracted to the social status of a woman... if you're the daugther of Bill Clinton or Barrack Obama, or Bill Gates or Jordan Peterson or...I can guarantee you that the line of suitors is very long even if you're very average looking...

[@banthatracks_gaffisticks]

What about when men say, "no?"

[@DR-cr3zo]

nah.

[@zilbereva7332]

So why being a lesbian is not the ultimate status?

[@akb9297]

Chastity!! One of the 7 vistues ❤NO !!

[@leftrom9738]

Well, this doesn't work at all. Most women after their 304 phase (after 30s), try to find a 'good' man and 'settle down', and *at that moment* they're suddenly hard to get and, thus, artificially raise their status. Women know what we value, that's why in numerous podcasts/street interviews they advocate for their s3xual 'freedom' but don't disclose their body-count (or lie about it), if asked.

[@alwaysright3943]

All true.

[@1Plebeian]

@leftrom9738 they identify as virginal the moment they want a long term partner. More like acolyte. A witches familiar. Anyone they catch, suffers.

[@manifest2203]

So what? Don’t m4n do the same? Do most of them plan to be v5rgins until marriage? M4n lie too- usually in the opposite direction.

[@juliaskagfjord6207]

Why do you say artificially raise status? All women should be valued and cherished on the whole...including the olders

[@manifest2203]

Because society gets funny when w5m4en enjoy inti6macy.

[@adrienmichaud2889]

I agree with what Jordan Peterson is saying about how women status is determined by beauty and sexual attraction but i also think he should of included cooking and taking care of home. Those are productive skills that a woman can obtain and make herself attractive. Some men are attractive to women who possess does skill. But great video by Jordan Peterson

[@KathleenFulton-u1x]

Men just use women for their cooking and cleaning. If they are that crazy about a woman, men will pay someone to do those things.

[@connielok5900]

But if you are rich enough, you could just hire a maid to do the cooking and cleaning. (And financial advisors + butlers to do their parts)

[@rosethorn0232]

​@@connielok5900Ah yes, because those types of rich people are known to be so happy, right? 😂 It's a trope for a reason that those people are super unhappy and always have drama. "The wife goes out to work for another man, while the husband pays another woman to take care of your home and children" is not a good scenario.

[@connielok5900]

@@rosethorn0232 nope, actually I think you have got the logic wrong. Let’s say I become a lawyer: If I were the wife who can get a higher salary by “work for another man”, or even owning a business, then using a part of my income to offshore/ hire another woman to do the household cleaning and cooking for me is a win-win scenario. Hence why not??

[@alecsinger3364]

@@connielok5900 No, this is dumb and illogical. The problem with your argument is that most men look for feminity rather than masculinity. The problem isn't that more income is always terrible. It is that it puts more pressure on the man to be the primary income earner to be the masculine one (relationships where the woman makes more are one of the indicators of divorce) and often takes away from his time if he is high status high-income earners, which is what most women go after and time is what most important to most high-value men (100k plus, fit, can feed a family on a single income, etc.). If the man is middle income, then he will accept it, knowing it is more likely that he will earn the majority of the income but do some housework (say 1/3 to 4/10) because it is more even split between the women who do more of the childcare and housework (2/3 to 6/10) because she makes less than him. But it is not usually something he would want if he could. But it is also because most people, even the rich ones, need financial help to afford nannies. On top of that, childcare is costly, and it saves more money to have a person stay home and want to take care of the kids and the family. It also allows women to be more feminine and men to be more masculine, which makes either side more attractive to the other due to sexual dymorephisism. Suppose you are a high-value guy, and you do pay the bills and, on top of that, can afford the nanny. In that case, there is no point in you wanting a woman who doesn't want to do most of the childcare and housework because that is what men often need to save money and what many men WANT. Doing cooking, cleaning, growing vegetables for better food, learning back massages, etc, is what almost all men want if they can afford it. There is a reason why Trad wives blew up with largely conservative women, but especially with men. It isn't necessarily that men want housewives, though must do if they can. Rather, it is so rare and awesome seeing a woman cater to a man's needs and wants in terms of cooking, wanting to be feminine, and actually wanting to help him. Men generally want peace, sex, and food more than anything else. Trad Wives actually cater to that fantasy whereas anytime a man asks something like that it is seen as bad. In modern Gen Z societal culture, such actual care for men in a social trend is so rare. Because that is what almost all men really want on some level if they can have it. Unrealistic? Yes. Bad. No? So long as it doesn't putt om uch pressure on the partner to do more that, in the same way men aren't asked too much unhealthily to be pushed to protect and provide even more than they can (being really muscular, earning more money, buying more expensive stuff, etc.) Nurturing, caring, doting qualities. That. is what most men value above all else. And being attractive. Not fertility past a certain point. If someone is actively trying to avoid it, it makes them not that attractive and effectively useless for most men that women go after (or at least on dating apps, which is how nearly 2/3 of all relationships start nowadays in the US). The problem is most men can't afford or aren't financially smart and/or savvy to make it work where they live, or don't make enough money period. Both genders for that matter. Partly due to toxic and at times lazy male culture pushed during middle school to college, partly the economy, and partly fear-mongering about stay-at-home wives and homemakers despite most of the issues (domestic violence, lack of options) being non issues compared to the fear-mongering time period of the 1950s where domestic violence was around 90% (and went down to 8% in ten years after laws were passed) and where the lowest divorce rates are mong single income families with the highest happiest rate being conservative women (the majority of whom are stay at home wives/homemakers). Even if you do work, you still have to be feminine. Taking care of the majority of the childcare and doing cooking and cleaning are expected by most men if they are expected to provide primarily and protect. And it is true. Men need to do more childcare and housework to be better if they are both working and the wife doesn't stay home. Even then, the husband still needs to do some stuff when necessary, especially around childcare. The hours be with 5% to 10% difference maximum in terms of hours seriously worked. But he still has to be masculine no matter what to be attractive. And the women have to be feminine to be attractive no matter for what. For the vast majority of people at least. But at the end of the day, if you don't want nurture and caretake, then there is no point for the vast majority of men to protect and provide, or to even really want to be in a relationship. They can obtain sex and meaningful friendship from hooking up, porn, and friends, and they are much cheaper and easier to obtain. If not, it is not really worth it. Yes, they want that, but also with feminity. Because then it is too often an unappealing relationship and/or an abusive relationship where protect and provide and the other do whatever they feel like with no real set expectations. Like a man marrying a maturity wise a girl. Or vice versa a woman marrying a maturity wise a boy. If you want a job, that is fine from a guy's perspective, and knowing other guys. What is not fine is being not feminine and refusing to do work that makes you feminine according to most men or just really contributing to a relationship with equal standards. Not including religious relationships because that is too different. As someone who has seen from many families you described above, I can tell you it doesn't really help that much. A little bit. But not a ton. It doesn't deal with the underlying problem in the relationship, often times with women and really people who want to have it all but don't care about honoring their family and their spouse. Or vice versa sometimes. Career men or women make the same mistake of putting off everything to their wives, to the point their is no contact with the child or building a relationship with the spouse. And to me, that is far more fucked up than just staying taking of the kids until graduation or making your career a full-time homemaker, which is perfectly norma and healthy if you want to do that. Or just trying to be attractive and caring about what your partner wants to your spouse. That is not all, but for now I will end of this. Both people have to be good, responsible people. But both people also need to be attractive and help fill their partners wants. Otherwise, what is the point of having a relationship at all, when most people are perfectly fine being single? The short answer, both monetarily and attraction wise, is their isn't.

[@EveofPyrite]

I just feel so confused trying to find love in this modern era. Why can’t people just be genuine and want real intimacy. Why all the mind games and manipulation. I don’t want to have to play games or have to feel guilty. I feel so uncomfortable rejecting men . I feel sad knowing that if I’m open about how I feel I will be punished for it 🙁 for the first time in my life I decided to let a man know I was interested in him because he was pursuing me for months. Once I did that it’s like he betrayed me. He went around telling people I was chasing him. I felt so humiliated. I thought we had a genuine connection but apparently we didn’t .

[@dsstudio76]

A man who is interested in you simply invites you on a date, If he didn’t yet, he isn’t into you. You don’t open up for somebody who didn’t do any serious move about you.

[@samaha261]

Well, that doesn't apply on most men i know, many of them chase after rich women while most of them do not chase women at all they just go on with whoever is available, men have changed.

[@zahrad1026]

It's different if you are from another culture. For many cultures, intelligence success and graceful behavior are very important for women. Someone who may look good to my eye may not be in someone else.

[@croitoriafaraformule]

Agree to disagree

[@craigmerkey8518]

I have watched some of Mr Peterson's... ideas, content, talks, I really don't know what it is! He never fails to confuse and disappoint me adjacent to distain. What century does he exist in? This is the type of condescending mansplaining hype I would expect to encounter in a previous century! Who is the audience for this faux verbal psycho gymnastics? This seems like a trauma response or validation seeking... whatever his motivation for this bizarre Darwin adjacent collection of college vocabulary. I give it no stars, two thumbs down! Don't try again this is nauseating, go away!

[@hb9149]

Having an education, skills, and a job allows me to not be totally dependent on my "looks" and the freedom to leave a man - if needed. I want the same freedom and options for my daughter.

[@dsstudio76]

I was making little money and have good looks whenI left my good looking and successful husband. Everything that I needed was my intelligence, faith, courage and dignity.

[@dsstudio76]

I want my daughter be a good person. That’s plenty to me.

[@JustMe-og2cb]

Only 304s disagree with this. And Im a woman

[@iaf4454]

😂😂😂😂 nonsense

[@camillachristinenorveganus161]

Blæh!

[@7uj982]

Non sense

[@ngahuruharawira4134]

NO WAY🤍😁👑

[@ActiveVeggieTours]

Not in all cases. Did Jordon's wife say no to him at first? There marriage is still together. So ...