How do Messenger pigeons know where to go?

Pigeons have been used in wars for centuries - but how do they know where to take their letters?
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[@msain427]

What is the distance they may travel back to their home?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

@@msain427 well trained pigeons can do 1000km or more

[@LarryPeteet]

Trying to get home without a clue what is going on is not Bravery. Just like not wanting to go to Jail is not Cowardice.

[@joeyrusso3217]

This is the type of sh*t that crosses my mind when I try to sleep 😂

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Happy to have helped 😉

[@themanwhaworld]

It’s 12:48 am lol 😂

[@cheerios4canaries]

Not just when I try to sleep when I'm at work during the day lmao 😂

[@rastarecordsent]

Stg

[@senpaimusic7617]

Same...lol

[@kiwiwella]

I love the pictures of the pigeons with the medals on. Not only is it adorable, but it’s also funny when you realize that the pigeons have no clue what the significance of it is.

[@kestrelflame9258]

Lol

[@travisrassel9978]

AHAH. Yeah like the pigeon understands what a medal is. LOL

[@Philfan107]

They like shiny objects. Medals are shiny because humans also like shiny objects. I like to think they might understand.

[@nathanrobat7310]

Birds can comprehend what a reward is, they sometimes bring shiny objects as gifts to humans. Who knows? 🤷 maybe they do

[@TheMadness777]

I do actually think birds find medals and shiny stuff as an award as other people have said. Birds like attention too! My grandmother always had birds and they really were quite smart and amazing. At the end of the night, she'd put a cover over the big cage and they'd sleep. Miss that

[@liviousgameplay1755]

I think this will reduce the number of times I wake up in the middle of the night with a stupid question by 10%.

[@bagsy4884]

Meanwhile my amazon delivery man can’t find my address

[@Solaamii]

Bagsy 🤣🤣🤣

[@djswaggtazyt3990]

😂😂😂

[@aamirmushtaq3076]

😂

[@andre_0413]

Make the delivery man live with you for a long time. Pretty sure wherever he is he will find your address

[@bmell1252]

Amazon delivery is a joke!!! Worst delivery drivers ever!

[@EMAHGERD]

I've just had a racer over since she didn't make home due to foul weather. Stayed in my living room for a week to wait for the owner from the UK to pick her up (Released in France, "broke down" here in Germany). I must say it was a blessing, I've always liked pigeons but now I love them. The bird was so grateful for the food, water and shelter I offered and always sung in the morning. Such smart, beautiful, adorable and fascinating animals, like dogs with wings.

[@Crackpot_Astronaut]

"Broke down" in Germany 😆 That's very a very cool story. I had no idea pidgeons were still so "popular."

[@beastmode2978]

What the fuck where you trying to say

[@AjZeph]

Here in the Philippines, alot of people like me who lives in countryside owns 10+ pigeons and even if we let their cage open, it's 100% they'll come back. They also know where to poop so we have no worries of cleaning their crap. We also put straps on their feet so other pigeon owners know if the pigeon is already owned and who the owner of the pigeon is. But we don't use the pigeons to send message today tho due to the tech today

[@fatimamukadam]

You should try it atleast once

[@gdigital13]

^^do it. The alphabet soup boys cant get the schematics then

[@maximilianphoenix]

may i ask what you use them for then?

[@jaydenwahobin2763]

@@maximilianphoenix it could be just as pets many people enjoy them

[@ms.anonymousinformer242]

We may need to when censorship gets so bad that people can no longet communicate using tech without the law trying to stop them. The gov would just likely outlaw ownership of pigeons if that happened.

[@fahdamoh]

this is something that has been on my mind for years and i finally got around to researching it

[@leaf7270]

my brain whilst falling asleep: DONT YOU WANNA LEARN ABOUT MESSENGER PIGEONS, and i guess i did

[@jonwalker8945]

My grandpa used to raise pidgins and sell them only to have them fly right back to his barn and he would sell em again the next week, sometimes to the same person! 😂😂 Also: Thank You for this video. I always wondered about this. Not anymore

[@haroonhidayat]

Pigeons are such an amazing creatures and intelligent no other specie can do things pigeon do

[@FuttBucker42069]

Surely other species can. Pigeons aren't the only birds that can find home. Lots of migratory birds do the same thing. 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️

[@haroonhidayat]

@@FuttBucker42069 migration and homing is different bro

[@GodisMyNo1]

@@FuttBucker42069 yeah but they didnt serve in ww1 and ww2 like pigeons did

[@samsngdevice5103]

I always wondered this.

[@mariyamriyas2250]

Me toi

[@angelierescallar6025]

Me too

[@Legend-sl9bn]

I know like strap a satnav on there backs lol

[@xrenegade87xchannel88]

Ahhh sending emails back in the olden days

[@427vot]

p-mails

[@FuttBucker42069]

@@427vot genius 🤣🤣 pmail

[@ThexDynastxQueen]

This was ancient Twitter.

[@sewer_dog2096]

"sending electronic mail back in the olden days"?????

[@guccivanilla3691]

When you realize pigeons are more useful and braver than some people.

[@KertPerteson]

Yeah :-)

[@1001saar]

"some" people? How about most?

[@natsumifan4576]

everyone not like u so that's y said some people

[@1001saar]

@@natsumifan4576 Did your mom tell you to say that?

[@tybarker5038]

If I could fly I would make myself very useful lol

[@TreesMcgee]

They gave the bird a medal. 🏅 that’s cool

[@anthonyb7571]

I used to depict pigeons as rats with wings and scavengers... now I see them in a completely different [positive] light.

[@kingdomgutsy-studytipsandp288]

They are actually known as "rats of the sky".

[@anthonyb7571]

@@kingdomgutsy-studytipsandp288 They are "dirty doves," in my opinion.

[@GodisMyNo1]

@@kingdomgutsy-studytipsandp288 Only by people who dont bother to learn anything about pigeons. They are our best feathered friend who have served humans for thousands of years

[@chiefbighead94]

Okay, what if you fed the pigeons at home, as well as a variable second location associated with a signal, such as a sound or smell. Will they associated the second location with food?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Possible, and some people have trained them to eat at one location and drink at a second. Sometimes even sleeping at a third.

[@theskyischill]

Why am I crying over our pigeon heroes?

[@joegarza7220]

It's okay, Cozy. They're worth some tears. They've saved many lives.

[@CrayolaCoffeeBean]

Sooooo for instance, then... all the pigeons at Winterfell that need to deliver messages elsewhere, don’t consider it home? Each castle would have pigeons of the different castles to fly “home” to? Then those pigeons would have to be transported back to the other castles in order to fly home? “Whoops... we’ve run out of Dragonstone pigeons” would be the equivalent to “shoot... I’ve used all my data” ??? Lolol Very cool video! I’ve wondered this for a while!

[@aslmad1]

Yeah what is the benefit if they have to be transported all the time?

[@xREADxxEATxxSLEEPx]

Wait, but weren't these ravens in Game of Thrones? Do they work in the same principle as pigeons?

[@ceciliaroberson1123]

Yes it seems like you’d need pigeons/ravens from various locations to be successful. And then remember which bird is “homed” to each location

[@randompheidoleminor3011]

Its for when the castle is surrounded and you need to send a message back to ask for reinforcements

[@thecavalieryouth]

But how do they know where elsewhere is?? In season 1, how did the bird Lysa sent to Winterfell know how to find Winterfell? I get that King's Landing is its home, so it knows how to go back, but how'd it know to go to Winterfell and not Moat Cailin, for example?

[@bennih.4191]

Anyone else had this question crossing their mind out of nowhere? Why am I thinking about stuff like this haha

[@RealCristianoPenaldo]

On God 😂

[@arjunpoudel7064]

No

[@enric2609]

first of all, aww they hella cute second of all, thank you, you have answered an important question.

[@microfarmers]

Thanks for clearing that up! Now I know, and knowledge is power.

[@TheHoodVoice2024]

Growing up the 90s in Philadelphia there were so many penguins not so much today. my grandmother would feed bread and sunflower seeds every morning At least 50 birds would come everyday. She would say penguins like to hang around homes where good spirits like to visit, we never notice how the small things in life are a blessing from god.

[@jacobmesser8284]

Just don't forget to yknow charge them

[@oschiri66]

And to clean up their output.

[@quantumenergy3334]

Feel free to point me in the direction of another video if you have answered these questions but 1) How far can they fly to go home? 2) how long can they be kept away from home in a cage without forgetting where home is?

[@heritage.home.crochet]

They can go as far as the distance from France to Ukraine. So whole countries away.

[@josesolismusic]

Thank you for the clarification.

[@TheMadness777]

I do actually think birds find medals and shiny stuff as an award as other people have said. Birds like attention too! My grandmother always had birds and they really were quite smart and amazing. At the end of the night, she'd put a cover over the big cage and they'd sleep. Miss that

[@elaineenialle3594]

It’s very good to know. Thank you for making the video &!sharing with us.

[@lazybadger3323]

Your videos are very informative. Thank you for the knowledge.

[@jbanimations8475]

was informative and entertaining! Thanks!

[@andyhoughtaling6319]

Thank you bro. Been wondering this my whole life.

[@tigerbpp359]

Thank You for such a Wonderful and Enlightening Video.Bravo👌🏻

[@samdoe3608]

So I guess the way it works in Game of Thrones is you have different clocks of pigeons or “ravens” for each major location. One group nests in Casterly Rock. One group nests in Kings Lansing. Etc. That way you can “send” a raven to the King or Lord of X place

[@ceciliaroberson1123]

Yes that’s what I’m thinking as well

[@parkercoyle1086]

Thank you I’ve always wondered this but just got around to asking KZbin the question

[@paulalan262626]

Amazing. Tks fr the vid n efforts. 🙏

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Glad you liked it

[@d.m.collins1501]

Can pigeons be away from home for long enough that they come to see their new location as their new home? It would be funny to release a pigeon with a much-needed cry for help attached to its leg only to see it circle around in the sky and come fly back to rest on your leg as if to say "you're my mommy now!"

[@lois3356]

no, they always go home

[@ms.anonymousinformer242]

Im wondering how they become aquired in thr first place (for the purpose of sending communication) ? I mean if the pigeon has to fly HOME to deliver a message that means the person needing to send a message has to find a way to get a pigeon FROM that same destination (that their message is going TO) only to send the message ? If they get thr pigron in thr first place why dont they use a person to send the message ? Im confused and would love to learn exactly hoe all that works.

[@NameName-yw4vr]

​@@ms.anonymousinformer242 Usually, during the wars, messenger pigeons were mostly used on the frontlines in case of something crucial happening which needed almost immediate response (ex: soldiers being pinned down) or to relay information. In the first case, it is almost impossible for a man to go out without the risk of dying. In the second case, it'd take more time for a scout to go from that location to another and pigeons are faster than horses (plus they fly) then upon arrival, the information of the scout will already be outdated. Soldiers cage the pigeons originating from the lofts (which I assume are near Headquarters) to the battlefield so when needed, they just have to release the pigeons.

[@twinkiestar6538]

@@NameName-yw4vr just to build on this, the soldiers could take 10+ pigeons home at a time (basically 10 trips for the price of 1) but sending soldiers would have to be done one-by-one (10 trips for the price of 10)

[@willx6394]

These skills may be needed again soon hahaha

[@d947]

I have some questions: So if a pigeon is born somewhere (or placed there at the age of 4-6 weeks), they will always want to fly there? And what if they are carried hundreds of km away from their home: how do they know where their home is?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Yes, they will always try to return, but nobody knows the exact mechanism of how.

[@d947]

Adam Archer Pigeons incredible, right?

[@JDNboy12]

@May you have peace messenger pigeons were carried away from their roost, on the ground and in cages, until a message needed to be sent. they couldn't look around and remember the scenery...

[@adityanbharadwaj3247]

@May you have peace That and also they have magnetoreception which is a sense that allows them to navigate using earths magnetic fields.

[@aslmad1]

@@adityanbharadwaj3247 yes that is the only way

[@akashpatel70239]

How do they get trained ? And how they always know which way home is? What is the efficiency that the message will be delivered?

[@kylieroth2326]

Ohhh that makes a lot sense of sense.

[@rcoupvc]

Here because I started watching Shogun and was finally like "hey how do they do that?".

[@opemipoogunsaju4949]

Haha...I was actually rewatching Avatar the Last Airbender (the sparky-sparky boom man episode) and just wondered

[@semja]

Thank you for demystifying this

[@Nadavsolution]

I just thought of a reanacting historical project, I would like to try to raise a messanger pigeon today. How long do you presume it would take. Would it be possible to raise a pigeon from the time it's an unhatched egg until it becomes a grown bird?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

4 weeks from egg to fledging, another 8 weeks after that and you'll be able to train it

[@villarreal956flo]

Cool video, I'm a truck driver and I'd like to try this 😀

[@imrgohard270]

Animals are amazing

[@Savvy07]

Loved the bg music.

[@skellingtonmeteoryballoon]

Brave birds ! 😊

[@HelenGardner-rr1lx]

Very interesting. So cool.

[@Savinda27]

That means if we want to deliver a massage we have to locate the pigeon in one place and feed him in another place. Am I correct?

[@sajasajasinking4591]

No. U have to look for Spa or foot sign then u can send or have massage. Don't look for pigeon bro. Hehe.

[@princess_glitzy424]

well its much more complicated than that and doesn't require treats but it helps

[@Maniac-007]

@@sajasajasinking4591 💀💀🗿

[@jaya_surya_a5118]

Its a mystery for me how to deliver massage to pigeon

[@brianashby8779]

That is what I always expected

[@byronhall5145]

Didn't explain, once they are let out, how do they know which direction they need to fly?

[@Lestweforgot]

They use Magnotreception, it allows them to detect the magnetic field of the Earth and thus navigate in the right direction. It's also how birds can migrate South or North during season changes. Basically they have built in compases and use them to constantly keep track of where they are located, headed or being taken.

[@foodjam9193]

@@Lestweforgot how do they know where to take the message?

[@Lestweforgot]

@@foodjam9193 You can't tell them where to go, instead you bring them from their home and they always know how to fly back home. You could even introduce them to a mate or food at home before you take them with you. This would further motivate them to fly back quickly. At their home would be someone waiting for the message tied to their feet.

[@ms.anonymousinformer242]

@@Lestweforgot This method is only good for someone who will not be able to communicate with that person they are leaving but still be able to take care of the needs of the pigron until it flys back home. In todays age I would be worried about the pigeon being found by someone along it's journey. Are they kept un tame to prevent them from interacting with people on their route back home ?

[@TurboMintyFresh]

the video just explained it to you dumbo@@foodjam9193

[@illicit_nz8798]

But how do they know where home is when they're high in the air & 100+ kms away? Do they like mind map their view of the land? Follow recognized terrain sorta?

[@illicit_nz8798]

The sun n stuff would tell em the directions I'm guessing birds know how to fix latitude & longitude internally? Please don't berate me for being a moron if I'm wrong, because these are things I've wondered since like GoT

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

They use a combination of methods, magnetic fields, the sun, visual etc

[@beastmode2978]

Yes I randomly thought about this and looked this up

[@Louse1021]

So did military installations have them installed and raised upon the bases construction? Or did they plan on building the bases in places where the coups were already there and already trained? Kind of like wartime commandeering

[@ravindranathsharma7735]

Nice video

[@nuzhah20]

wonderful

[@zoshida]

the pigeon knows where it is

[@natsumifan4576]

My peigon is not a kid I get that peigon when he wasn't a kid now can I still train that peigon to deliver messages?

[@munnijarunde2424]

Was doing my work when i saw a pigeon this question came to my mind .

[@manmansgotmans]

I can finally sleep in peace

[@FIDEL_CASHFLOW_]

So if I wanted to be able to send a message to my friend 10km away via carrier pigeon, I'd have to take one of his pigeons that live near him with me? I couldn't train a pigeon to fly to him, deliver a message, and then that pigeon come back to me with a message from him?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

It is possible to train a pigeon to eat in one place and drink or sleep in another, thereby creating a back and forth system.

[@FIDEL_CASHFLOW_]

@@AdamArcherPigeons thanks for the reply! Do you have a video explaining this?

[@foodjam9193]

@@AdamArcherPigeons you should have mentioned that in the video

[@doodoodoodle]

@@foodjam9193 I'm not sure but it may be a hypothetical type of response based on his knowledge of pigeons, rather than what he has read. Like he doesn't know if those methods were used for this purpose (messages), but is possible to train pigeons in different ways If he does a similar system, or has seen it, he may be saying that may have been an option they used back in the day. I dunno! Lol

[@theslyfox8525]

Is it possible to the same task with falcons? They can carry heavy loads right?

[@lifefordummies]

What was a reasonable distance to expect a pigeon to find its way home? how long would it normally take?

[@LifePhath]

thank you for this answer 😮 wow

[@camactive_xd7596]

What is the music in the video?

[@adamvandegrift6210]

Could pigeons be used as a one way gps in ancient times when explorers traveled to unknown regions by looking at what direction the pigeon was flying upon release .

[@hunter2470]

I guess so!

[@Sleepy_Moon84]

Yeah but they’d also be too fast…so it’d be hard to follow them since they’re on air meanwhile we might be faced with a forest or something.

[@oddmengaming2513]

Question: Is it possible for 2 people to communicate back and forth using pigeons? For example - Will one pigeon from one home follow another to it's home and then back again? Back to the original question, has it ever been done?

[@senpaimusic7617]

Me:*Doing other things... Brain:Hey....how do messenger pigeon work? Me:But im doing something!maybe later. Brian:Just do it! .....And here im am...watching about pigeons in the middle of the night...the end.

[@aliceisstillinchains9177]

how does one teach the bird its location?

[@alissa3003]

Gonna get a home pigeon

[@austinthomas1465]

This the type of shit that comes to my mind when im stoned

[@bedman2124]

Do they stop and eat along the wat? How fast are they?

[@calvinsc5105]

😮 I have been fooled for my whole life!

[@ryankwissisens8310]

Pigeon dial a dope lol

[@tinak9799]

Hi there, a pigeon comes to my house for a year now, his colour is golden beige. He comes here to eat & he would make a sound near my door at the backyard telling me that he has arrived and wants his food. I have fed him for over a year now & he flies back to his owner, but this past 4 weeks, he has stayed here & sleeps under the roof fence. What could that mean? He is like my pet now and just welcome him with love.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

That's really nice! Are you sure he has an owner, and isn't living in the wild? Homing pigeons have been selectively bred to bond strongly to their home, but other breeds and varieties are able to move around and change their home more.

[@cuesta35]

I'm looking fr long time hire pigeon as well they could do me a favorite too send letter too mine love on china guilin telling her she everything fr me love her Alot I wanna married u be engage with me until tht time come too live age race fr lve is just a number I TE AMo mine love xinxiya wang from Carlos manzo from Merced CA,. That will be nice if she get it. I will faith if she tells me she got.tht letter I will be very appreciative and name God 🙏

[@djswaggtazyt3990]

I always wonder this too

[@greenleaf9042]

So distance matters? It’s only a one way signal? They all come back to their home?

[@SeigiroSpica]

Hey, Adam. Great videos. This will sound like a dumb question. But do pigeons suffer or get depressed if they are too long in the place from where the message will be send to their homes? Also, how do they know where to go back? After a long travel. Do you have a video about that?

[@char_us6906]

How much can a pigeon carry during flight

[@Gracia144JesusSaves]

But how did the pigions came by the camp of where they where kept ? Where they brought there in a cage ?and than from there being released with a Message to home is that correct i would like to understand this

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Yes

[@styweed17]

Fresh

[@Metalshark100]

so the pigeon king in John Wick must have picked up pigeons nesting from each of the prime locations and boxes them up until needed

[@tearid05]

Mike Tyson Mysteries brought me here

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

I hope you found what you were looking for!

[@arnoldlegorreta9578]

can you take a pigeon across 3 or 4 different states and will he come back home

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

They can fly 1200km if fit and well trained

[@playMrs]

Why they come back to captivity after the release?

[@jayw5353]

But how do they know where home is when you take it away from the home

[@griftopherhitchens9926]

Count Dankula is why I'm here.

[@johny1220]

2:16 awe that poor pigeon man :((((

[@RealCristianoPenaldo]

I had a malnourished pigeon that was mentally slow, unlike all the other pigeons in the park, it wouldn't fly away or be scared when we got in a 3ft distance of it - it would just run away even if we physically touched it and its senses clearly weren't working properly. We took it home, fed it, cleaned it up and left it in the balcony for it to fly away after a couple hours 😢

[@sandraguerra9155]

I found a pigeon I believe he was a Messenger or some thing because he had a little brace around his little ankle. He got hurt I believe some cats try to get it so we got it put in the cage kind a nurse to give it some rest for one day. We let the birds out at flew across the street from my property now just sitting on the roof doesn’t know where to go.

[@Thedoza]

If a pigeon is gone for too long (from home) how long until it considers its new location home?

[@HK-ce2lj]

I was right, it was a one way message and always landed on the same place, its home.

[@UltraMagaFan]

What’s the max range these guys have? How far away can you release them before they loose the location of their lofts? Also how susceptible are they to hawks owls and eagles? We have a lot of them around our house. I’m not interested in getting one I’m just curious.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

They can fly upto around 1200km with expert training, and yes, falcons and hawks are a risk.

[@UltraMagaFan]

@@AdamArcherPigeons Wow. That’s amazing. 1200KM is a pretty long distance. I have another question. What do you feed your birds? Where we live they primarily eat corn and sunflower seeds like doves. I’m just wandering if you feed them anything different since you live half way across the world from us.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

When racing a mix of wheat, sorghum, corn, peas, and safflower mostly. When breeding a more protein and fat rich mix.

[@BerlinUKn0w]

Meanwhile my stupid lovebird escapes from the window and never returns home lol.

[@Zeemas]

Imagined getting caged and brought to somewhere you've never been before, but you just want to go home. Then you're released and they'd be like "Good luck finding your home lol" but at least you're an expert navigator. But I bet I'll be shitting myself throughout though, especially during wars. No wonder there's so much pigeon crap in some places lmao

[@wolfgamer9647]

How can you breed and marry pigeons? I know it should happen naturally, but is there anything that can encourage them to breed.

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

If they have enough space and food they'll breed. You can put a pair in a breeding box if you want specific birds to breed together.

[@wolfgamer9647]

@@AdamArcherPigeons when should i start seeing breeding behavior? I have 2 males and 3 females in a large loft.(still building up) There are 4 nest boxes and plenty of nesting material. They get a custom blend of seeds, nuts, wheat, sorghum, etc. Im still working on getting them a good grit, since my area seems to not sell any pigeon products. They have been together for around a month now, but ive seen 0 breeding behavior. If i try to seperate a pair they just fight. When together they show no interest in each other. What can i do?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

Maybe they're too young? Pigeons are always happy to breed and it sounds like you're giving them what they need.

[@wolfgamer9647]

@@AdamArcherPigeonsah, that may be it, thx for answering. Just subscribed, youve got some very interesting content.

[@feelthepainhealing484]

I need to know the complete process of training a pegion to send messages pls help me and share something

[@samsngdevice5103]

It works the same way text messaging works on your cell phone. Duh.

[@ubiquitousgamer9176]

I’m not sure but my cousin tames pigeons and he says that A pigeon must be kept under captivity for at least a week or else they will return to the place they were born. So I guess they used the same tactic.

[@chrismunro4385]

So. Did they send 1 bird with 1 message or multiple birds with same message? If they sent only 1 bird the chances of the bird getting hawked or shot or just deciding to go somewhere else chasing opposite sex of the bird not making it home?

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

They'd often send the same message twice or more for redundancy.

[@gojosatoru__]

i’ve always wanted a messenger pigeon :(

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

You should get some!

[@brachiossquill3637]

@@AdamArcherPigeons are they even possible to get

[@AdamArcherPigeons]

@@brachiossquill3637 Well I have a whole KZbin channel about keeping them.... so yes!

[@sambitguru8374]

Pigeons always fly away when I try to go towards them... 😭😭😭😭 How can I try this?

[@aslmad1]

But that means they have to be taken to the place where they are delivering from??