HOW DO PEOPLE LIKE THIS EXIST?! | Salt Mines #30 - StarCraft 2

[@PiGstarcraft]

I thought I was being conspiratorial but many of you in the comments believe Nazar submitted this game to try and get featured. Starting an investigation now! Stay tuned! UPDATE#2: Update 1 below if you wanna read that first. - sc2pulse.nephest.com/sc2/team/history?type=team-mmr&legacyUid=201-2-223986451#team-mmr-history Here's evidence that Nazar is a classic smurf who drops their mmr by about 1000 once every month or two. Their peak MMR was 3444, and they drop to 2290 MMR. Most of their games seem to be played around 3k MMR and then occasionally they rank up to diamond 3, run into stiffer opposition and then throw a bunch of games in a row. The weird thing is if these are those thrown matches... they could just leave instantly. But instead hang around and do really random balance whine whilst playing like shit?? This person's life is a conundrum to me. I can't say I understand what they get out of this lol. Plz explain denizens of the internet UPDATE#1: I cast the games out of order, so let's flip them to show what got sent to me in which order: Map vs Fexei was sent January 3rd at "2900 MMR" which is PLAT 2. Map vs FordFestiva was sent Feb 13th at "Diamond 3" EU I've reached out to both players to ask for photos/screenshots of them logged into their accounts to confirm they aren't Nazar. The email accounts seem unique, are from different countries and one even has a google profile picture attached to their gmail account. If this is Nazar sending these in it's a ridiculous amount of effort he went to. If not... it appears he's potentially been RANKING UP on the ladder playing like this... and if he isn't in diamond 3, is at least close enough to match with one which means plat 2 at the lowest, so at least stable at this ranking. The complaints and knowledge of build names tells me he's watched some streams or read some complaints about meta build orders. But perhaps just has never looked at his own play and tried to improve. I'm genuinely flabbergasted at what intent someone would have playing hundreds of games in the hope someone else submitted their replay to be featured on a KZbin show.

[@eonblutv2003]

You wanted a reply to your investigation, here is a reply to your investigation

[@thewhiteknight3945]

This whole thing is wild to read. I knew there was no way he was genuinely a new players. You don't go from not knowing what a medivac is to picking up tanks with them in a few seconds. I just thought he was a player who enjoyed trying to make his opponents laugh with how seemingly dumb he is.

[@kab1na]

Great investigation, something seemed really odd with this guy. It bothered me a little in the first game how he mentioned 4 gate blink which is fairly advanced build and went on to do something so conspicuously bad as that no gas 5 rax 6 minute timing.

[@mattt3942]

Nazar is trolling. Just leaving would not get cast.

[@PiGstarcraft]

@@mattt3942 the thing is he didn't submit the games. Does he jsut do this for hundreds of ladder games hoping someone else sends it in? Or is this just something he... enjoys doing?

[@Epicloa]

The fact that Nazar malds the whole game about imbalance but then always says "gg" is kind of wholesome. Truly hating the game not the player.

[@deepvoid2871]

lmfao so true

[@Samissa806]

It honestly looked more like muscle memory than anything, nobody whinning that much would think that was a good game 😄

[@baetz2]

He probably doesn't understand what gg means. For him it's more like game over.

[@jkkim6928]

He is AI

[@bananian]

Gay game

[@ZerglingLover]

“i can’t kill one of this huge idiots” had me dying, holy hell

[@bonzupii5677]

It's nazar's "facts and logic" that got me

[@d4niel457]

I'm getting that on a shirt. By far my favorite StarCraft quote of all time.

[@EssigSaureEthylEster]

New response just dropped!

[@volodyanarchist]

Not enough Merivacs

[@ZerglingLover]

@@volodyanarchist wasnt it meravecs?

[@sourcecodex3189]

I been following the Zerg Bronze to Gm and learned so much this guy called me a smurf even tho im dog shit at the game lol made me feel good thanks for all the great info

[@PiGstarcraft]

haha people accusing you of smurfing or hacking is always a good feeling :)

[@diazalex5314]

I like how the genuine fear when he heard the nydus.

[@jessewheeler5237]

9:53, this is how my 8 yo plays. He learned supply blocks are bad.

[@turkleton9113]

A SALT MINES VIDEO THAT REFERENCES DISCWORLD!? This is the most perfect content that has ever been made. Thanks for all the laughs!

[@dertyp3463]

Yesterday I learnt about discworlds existence from a totally unrelated post. not even on youtube. today it gets mentioned again. the universe is trying to tell me something i guess lol

[@turkleton9113]

@@dertyp3463 READ IT

[@knighthawk2062]

What is Discworld? 😮

[@jackawaka]

This has to be a really committed fake surely, no one can do this and react like that, it just doesn't feel real

[@carmine9021]

this,also we can watch 2 games of him in 1 video.Cant be coincidence.

[@meandmyself1600]

@@carmine9021 Maybe the Stargazers one was sent in weeks ago but didn't make the cut. Now a fresh one got sent in, Dot remembered it and put those two together

[@ColinJ388]

"What is meravac" -- proceeds to ferry tanks, stutter step, scan burrowed units, use multiple control groups, and maintain fairly decent production. Quality of play rapidly improved during the base race. Definitely fake I think.

[@PiGstarcraft]

@@meandmyself1600 Yep - over 1 month apart and sent from different people

[@kab1na]

I've submitted the first game, I'm very surprised to see a second Nazar game right after. I can send any proof needed to PiG. I can assure that game was not sent in by Nazar at least.

[@CheeseChuckie]

This one seems like a smurf, trolling

[@Epicloa]

I get a similar vibe, the micro and tiny decisions are too good for someone claiming to not know what a Nydus is. Like he doesn't know what a Medivac is but then uses them immediately to pick up tanks that are stuck? Idk about that lol Edit - But as PiG said, there are so many decisions that just bad/confusing that idk, it could be either.

[@stopbeeping8861]

It is

[@CapitolPeak]

I think this is the first salt mines i didn't really enjoy because its not authentic salt from geniune mines. Nazar is defintely just salt manufacturer.

[@l4l01234]

Yeah this is not organic, farm to table, mom and pop salt. This is some Monsanto GMO 5G vaccinated salt

[@fluffyfang4213]

Yup. Same. He's having fun playing the fool while he drops his MMR. He clearly knows how to use his units, what his opponents' units are, and even spends his money while microing; He's just throwing in mindbogglingly bad moves for it to be a close game because he doesn't make a bunch of smaller mistakes that pile up (unlike his opponents).

[@Kay-bs3bl]

Be it as it may we should not be distracted from him being a POS. It is much more sad and pathetic to be doing it "ironically" than to just being plainly mad and feel stung by helplessness. I'm not even the one playing these games but I was cringing while watching one and a half games, if it was me I would have given him the win by quitting. There is nothing interesting or funny about this. It is sad, that is what it is.

[@ZerglingLover]

idk its possible he’s high off his mind or drunk af

[@fluffyfang4213]

@Split Dimension PiG investigated and confirmed in his next video he was tanking his MMR, but not trying to be featured by PiG. His wild macro flubs were to hold back his real skill level and not meant to be reviewed in replays.

[@radu-andreinitu3961]

Man when the salt starts before the intro is finnished, you know it's gonna be a good game.

[@dcottr]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nazar is just a troll and is actually the one who submitted these

[@heimcrab7556]

5:19 What he means to say there is "In a normal game, you win becouse you are better. In that shit (SC2), you win becouse you are prottoss." But then he plays a normal game anyway so yeah lol and lmao, glad to see artosis is back to playing sc2

[@mememachine-386]

I wish we had a Nazar TvT game to round it out lol

[@nicolapodgornik6644]

This IMBA race

[@PashaSlavaUkraine]

mwahahaha

[@misterringer]

"how did you build so many tanks?! I can't do anything. My 40 marines didn't even kill one tank and I had sky doctors!"

[@nicolapodgornik6644]

@@misterringer you gotta use sky zappers

[@BeHappyTo]

@@misterringer It's flying medics ffs!

[@caesarsgaming3888]

lol i love the discworld reference! always love to see another man of culture

[@monkeybusiness673]

"You need to actually go win the game in order to win the game!" Thank you for your wise words, Zen Master! 😀

[@mrsausage001]

Nazar has big smurf energy. It's like he watches harstem do BGMWSS and pig do salt mines and thinks to himself, I can play like an idiot on purpose, flame the game/opponent, and get featured because of it.

[@BenWeigt]

Nazar playing an RPG inside an RTS, love it.

[@DrummerJacob]

This is what playing StarCraft is like without reading the Prima's strategy guide.

[@JTSnake4]

Maybe it shows how much of a nerd I am but I got giddy at the mention of discworld. My favorite series of books.

[@thephenome1462]

The final fights were so satisfying, ultras just don't seem to able to have fun anymore, but at least here they got to cleave through all those marines. Good times.

[@hamburgers7817]

Did Nazar send in the replays??

[@highdefinist9697]

Maybe Nazar is about 10 years old, and does not yet grasp the concept of seeking out information? That's really the only thing I can think of which would explain this strange combination of very bad language, ignorance, extreme lack of self-awareness, yet still a decent ability to incorporate new concepts into his "strategy".

[@theelusivepyroshark5119]

That would explain a lot

[@Tawnos_]

Yeah, watching this I was thinking 10-14. If he chills out a bit and keeps taking advice he might eventually be a halfway decent player.

[@KulaGGin]

That's not 10yo English. Nazar is a common name in Ukraine. There are virtually no 10yo that can speak English that well in Ukraine. And the ones that do are most probably very smart: they could master a very alien language that well at the age of 10. And if they are that smart, they wouldn't be making these kinds of mistakes and complaints. So ours Nazar isn't 10yo. He's probably in at least late teens or early 20's. _"That's really the only thing I can think of which would explain this strange combination of very bad language, ignorance, extreme lack of self-awareness, yet still a decent ability to incorporate new concepts into his "strategy""_ That's above average English for an adult Russian or a Ukrainian. English is a pretty alien language for us and you can't really even learn it at school to this level(45 minutes per lesson 3 times a week at school won't let you learn it to this level), have to use it somewhere else too, like playing video games. Ignorance and extreme lack of self-awareness is also normal here for teenagers and adults, too. If you have any doubts, try playing multiplayer games with Russians and Ukrainians such as: Squad, CS2, Valorant. Then you'll understand everything what I said above. Never underestimate the stupidity of an adult member of Homo Sapiens.

[@sillyking1991]

nah, im convinced these were sent in by nazar

[@Kevin-hq5ne]

Appreciated the Dark Reign reference. Have not thought of that game in a long time.

[@PiGstarcraft]

coolest scout units of any RTS ever, hands down

[@Amoeby]

I love the genuineness of Fexei.

[@trevorbeyer9720]

I am one of those people that never learned how to play until very recently lol. I have been playing since 2010 and 12 year old me just didnt give a shit about build orders or anything like that

[@vincentlefur4490]

After the first game, i thought Nazar was a good guy who had a really bad day. After the second game, i realised he's just a new player who hasn't even played the tutorial but seen all the memes 😂

[@Samissa806]

I have the same suspicion, prob got placed in diamond thank to blizzard's not broken initial mmr ™

[@135791max]

​@@Samissa806You think that's the more likely option even after he listed like 5 different protoss cheeses the first game he played? Really? This just seemed fake.

[@Samissa806]

@@135791max I mean, if something is 100% present in memes if "ahahah toss cheese" but i see your point

[@135791max]

@Samissa806 Like no matter his inexperience, him not knowing what a medivac seems nearly impossible and the most unlikely option.

[@Swixelusken]

After the second game it became obvious he's just trolling

[@holgicg]

I really, really want to see a tvt game with nazar. It should be really interesting ("This game color is broken" or "this top left corner is broken")))

[@Willdreynolds870621]

theres triple rax then theres TRIPLE RAX lol

[@ujotowh1514]

this is so obvious troll, there is no way he does not know what is a medivac and build one in 1 minute to lift the tanks from being stuck, has camera and production hotkeys, does a lot of splits on marines at the same time and even stuttersteps

[@ohmyonionpie]

5:50 literally the best moment in gaming history

[@farshot2713]

Sad we will miss the "MY MERAVACS SWALLOWED MY MARINES?!!" episode

[@danny.ray101]

I recently fought a 1700 MMR player who has mastered this no-gas/mass-marines build. He had at least 4 bases with about 20 barracks and luckily gave up after 3 or 4 waves. Being a PvP newbie on SC2 still practising the B2GM beginner's build I was really struggling and making mistakes, but the Colossus and High Templars I had prepared due to Observer scouting saved my ***.

[@mrmatejator]

Nazar has so much knowledge about the game and at the same time he has huge gaps in it. He knows how to say GG which would indicate that he is at least watching some SC2 content creators but at the same time he looks like he is trolling. This is just so bizzare like is he drunk or what?

[@xyand221]

At this point I suspect Nazar is actually ChatGPT

[@dswnysports]

Has pig, or someone from pig's team ever tried to reach out to the salty players? I'd love to hear him do a short interview with them.

[@PiGstarcraft]

I've said in a few videos if they ever want to come on for a short interview I'm 100% down lol. Noone's reached out yet

[@jkkim6928]

Ok I rage all the time on ladder. Why no one sends in the replay of those games :(

[@Gawain-hi5pd]

rage more

[@judicatorhurayth1927]

​@@jkkim6928 well. Time for you! To send PiG! Read this video discription and follow the instructions it has below it

[@jkkim6928]

@@judicatorhurayth1927 i think it’s salt mining not salt producing xD

[@mhc706]

the gg at the end had me laughing so hard

[@YoungClarke]

I rage queue way too often without realizing it. I don’t go all salty to my opponent, but at some point I will just realize I feel miserable and haven’t wanted to play for the last hour, but kept queuing out of a stubborn desire to “end on a win.”

[@Santisima_Trinidad]

If this was staged salt by nazar, he must have been so confused at the second game. He knew he was playing the worst opening and game in the world, but somehow he wasn't dieing to a hive tech zerg on what he thought was 4 base. Insane.

[@jkkim6928]

Cos zerg was bad enough to be floating 3K minerals with no queen injects

[@TrueMetis]

Weird that buddy seemed to not know anything about anything but still instantly recognized medivacs could carry units.

[@mdube391]

This is my favorite episode of the series so far. Awesome casting , keep the great content rolling. Much love and respect from Canada 🇨🇦❤️🇨🇦

[@mischaprudon3316]

The thing is tough I've seen Nazar players (only marine blobbing getting no stim or combatshield or medivacs). Is it weird tough that about half of em are raynor in co op on brutal diff with their raynor max leveled. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Wilsontripplets]

Prob used to face rolling opponents with mass marine flood and is now having to get better. As he seems to have a decently high apm.

[@richarddudley1318]

The first guy was trying to bait the toss into playing air

[@Drako2k0]

Nazar in TvT: "Imba!" XD

[@verdibyrd]

Not gonna lie, whenever i see protoss in the loading screen i get an unexplainable feeling that my opponent has just told me my mom is fat. 😒

[@absurdemtiefer1950]

Your mom is fat

[@hoot2416]

After all these years of playing I've finally started to not select-all, bringing my whole army back in these situations and leaving a portion of my army to press on the attack. Such a difference maker. 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭

[@_DarkEmperor]

Nazar must really hate Donald Trump, this commitment to "no wall" is insane.

[@Atlan]

"what is meravec", that guy is 100% a troll

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Teaching an opponent at play gives you the opportunity to practice the defenses to it

[@TheDarkASE]

Respect to Nazar for only hating the game and not the player, this is the salt we've been looking for

[@verdibyrd]

I feel like Nazar payed to have someone boost him to Masters in his F2P game and has been since playing at a high-bronze level as he descends the ladder wondering why terran seems so weak o.o;

[@H911Reiver]

Watching that zerg bumbling about felt like watching myself, and I'm 3k MMR, so I fully believe that they probably hover around plat 1 but have had hot streaks into diamond

[@mhc706]

i think nazar truly understands how to play sc2. 1. play terrain 2. do anything including reading other tabs instead of playing better and learning 3. complain other races are easy mode but never play either of them 4. repeat steps 1-4

[@nar2130]

I know the "Open's the strategy guide" thing is a meme but, kinda helps if you actually don't know what units are and do ^.^

[@lynk5902]

wow. I can't wait until we get another one where Nazar discovers BCs and loses to hydra/infestor

[@lynk5902]

I am at 18:00. please tell me we get to see a TvT with this guy as well so he can complain about terran being imba

[@kurosumomo]

Well, at least they weren't being all kinds of insulting towards the opponent player.

[@taith2]

It would be great to see him evolving, we need more replays of this bronze gem

[@ShadowWolf231]

Now i want to watch more about Nazar and see him improving every game lol

[@josephbraun7984]

But based on the map pool wasn't the second game before the first?

[@shadowiz8511]

I broke my ankle last month and I still have at least another month of recovery...so I decided to learn how to play starcraft and now I just play starcraft all day :)

[@Gatrax]

I hope he just gets REALLY high and plays starcraft without reading. living his best life

[@theanticitizen]

Nazar feels like the human version of those AI art bots that don’t really know what people look like so they give them like 5000 teeth and 42 fingers

[@volodyanarchist]

I want to suggest that you call them Merivacs from now on!

[@ericbetterman9220]

I never bump into Nazars on the ladder. I feel like I used to, but not anymore. I miss playing against Nazars.

[@Deipnosophist_the_Gastronomer]

How Nazar, how Nazare Soo ragey It's makin' me crazy every time I look around IMBA race.

[@alfonshasel1995]

Maybe nazar is 11 years old, doesnt know about guides and learnt all the micro by himself. If so, maybe we have a future serral up and coming, when he actually learns about all the other mechanics

[@parkerhope387]

Nazar is either just fucking around, or he’s boosted. I know diamond can look bad, but this is something else.

[@florianbielawa2919]

10:40 that is what happens in soulsborne games when your build makes no sense

[@Robothuck]

nazar sent these in 100%, he's an actor, i knew it for sure when he floated the orbital down lol, even silver league players know to wall off still a funny video though, but i wouldnt want every episode to be like this

[@PiGstarcraft]

Yeah he's definitely a bit of a weirdo. Maybe is a streamer that I've never heard of? Because they didn't send the replays in themself, the games are def ladder matches so it SEEMS that they're doing this in relative anonymity for shits and giggles. Bizarre

[@verranatirith]

Ahh yes, the Holdout A.I. strategy.

[@otelloreichmann6576]

I think he scv scouted and typed that about stargates in order to confuse his opponent into thinking he's going macro.

[@jordiolaria5775]

My last game was against someone who is Salt Mines material, and kept insulting after the game. Is here any way to get to chat log to attach the screenshot at the mail?

[@Erati243]

lol you got your games mixed up!!! the What now was the first game against the protoss!

[@ssvensic]

I can hear uThermal: guys this is not a build

[@IronHulkTriathlon]

Something fishy with Nazar.... plays like a new bronze player yet knows how to stutter step marines well?

[@filthcauldron2441]

I needed a big big dose of sodium chloride today. Thanks!!

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Watching marines get smeared makes me hype

[@stepanvejvoda2725]

Salt mines!

[@attilazimler1614]

There was no Nazar against Terran? :D

[@TripWithTheMoon]

Oh I know the 2 a.m. Rage-Queue ...

[@seanie99511]

I need to start playing some ranked if I can get a diamond frame while only building barracks and zero refineries for 10 minutes. 🤦

[@nicolapodgornik6644]

Why me no win with human with gun Pam Pam

[@vulpinitemplar5036]

Personally I like to fight AI, it's not the same as PvP but the AI still gives me a run for my money and that's usually enough for me know that I need to improve, so I kind of wonder how many of these players have actually fought the AI :v Edit: Fexei plays like the campaign AI and that's super charming in my opinion, I'd love to be able to do that but like stated above I barely understand what I'm doing to begin with.

[@badrinath5306]

Ok this is from experience. An elder brother is good at the game. The younger brother doesn't have that much free time cause of studies and plays during the holidays when their bro goes for work. The younger brother never knew abt nor played the campaign. During vacations the elder bro has to let he little bro play no choice. So during vacations his mmr dips drastically. Younger brother then complains and rather sees replays and tells him abt enemy builds. The younger brother thinks both other races are non human and evil so only plays Terran. But then when the younger brother goes to school the elder brother actually gets to play at night. Because he's playing against far weaker players he actually can win and gets back up in rank and then stabilizes until the next vacation. Also in the experience I am the younger brother. Played dota. Spammed techies and lost ranked to zues. Didn't actually know supporting and griefed trying to carry while still not knowing to last hit. My brother's rage was fun. He got me another account but we had only 1 computer. He got a second hand laptop and we played. We tried to get into warcraft but we both are bad at micro.

[@TripWithTheMoon]

Reading all the comments - Yeah Nazar is most likely a troll and most likely he's throwing, but he's just complaining, not really insulting. He plays somewhat of a game and ggs - I have no problem with those players.

[@danielbudney7825]

No, no -- Bong Cloud was lifting your main and moving it to the expansion. It made it look like you had expanded when you were actually pulling a one-base all-in ...

[@StargateAINews]

This is an old school SC1 player. Guaranteed.

[@Gor_Egoryan]

The one thing we learned is that terrans are imba. Even such a baboon was on the verge of winning)))

[@mickmccasker6401]

*Please* can someone clip some of these parts with the Skyrim music 😅

[@Xes_Lana]

I choose to believe that Nazar has way too many chromosomes, it's more entertaining that way.

[@tbone8358]

Not all diamond players have over 100APM. My bro plays zerg and he’s a diamond player consistently has >100 apm - it’s just that most of his apm is effective so it’s not spamming.

[@wherethetatosat]

I've seen episodes of Bronze League Heroes with more coherent gameplay. I'm so confused. My assessment is, yes this is a troll (or somebody doing a challenge run). The skill gets turned on and off. He stutter steps, knows how to focus fire, splits, backs up after the first volley from lurkers, builds marauders as soon as ultras are revealed, knows to pick up a tank despite just learning what a medivac is. I think the biggest tell is floating the main CC for _literally no apparent reason_ . Even Bronze players *think* they have a plan when they do that, Florencio *does* have a plan if he does that.

[@TruthGuardian3]

Love it ...and he is 💎 league?

[@LounoirRecords]

screw it, i'm gonna call medivacs meravecs from here on in :D

[@StevenMare]

It eats me up that Nazar is Plat/Diamond and I'm still Gold. :( I hope we hear from Nazar to get the full story. Maybe a redemption arc comes of it?

[@disieh]

I do think TvP has a special ability to break people mentally. I know cause I'm one of them.

[@moribell1083]

They exist because of conditioning. I bet that guy played one standard game to 5 cannon rushes and sub 40 apm sky toss and he just is not having fun anymore.

[@Kilorelv]

Oh my this was interesting