How Do We Enforce Drug Laws?

[@tinacoleman1900]

Look at Vancouver or Toronto. Safe supply is BS.

[@minnowes]

The harms seem very much to outweigh the benefit. The full-on Harms Reduction solution has become religion.

[@WaismannMethod]

Dealers should be charged with attempted murder. Their actions put countless lives at risk, spreading dangerous substances that harm our communities. It's time to hold them accountable and protect the innocent.

[@simonbailey2766]

Bar staff as well?

[@fucking_smooth]

The dealers are trying to make money, not kill someone. Maybe negligence. Also, their customers are, well, customers… People aren’t accidentally buying heroin.

[@simorote]

My grandma owned a bar, the notion that a bar is "safe supply" is ridiculous. Is having a line of shaking people at 5 am in front of your bar waiting for it to open so they can get their fix safe?

[@balanced-shez8226]

Have a look how safe supply is working out in Canada IT'S NOT IT'S A MESS FULL OF CRIME

[@YELG_7]

safe supply turns into a drug trafficking, child targeting ring VERY quickly and every single time.

[@user-wg8bn2pc2d]

It works perfect in many european countries .. It must be an North American thing.. it seems like people in that part of the world simply are uncivil and unable to do stuff in an orderly fasion ... how the fuck is it so difficult for them to adopt simple solutions which works fine for everyonne else

[@hayleys-w5q]

Canada has proved safe supply doesn't work. It's a nightmare.

[@wandering_circles7487]

But it does not work that way... Even buying it in safe supply, people will still abuse it.

[@seektruth581]

People in Canada sell their safe supply drugs for cheap fentanyl. Now the streets are flooded with doctor prescribed drugs. Drugs have become so cheap that people are accepting aluminum cans for them.

[@whiteknob7944]

Shhhh, don’t spoil their fun.

[@greenquartz]

Exactly, then they'll just go on a bar crawl for drugs instead of alcohol.

[@riohenry6382]

We got people to quit smoking through education programs. We can do the same with drugs. It’ll take a generation but so what ?

[@LisaG442]

Except the junkies have mental illness, every last one of them. How do you educate that out of ppl? And alcoholism is as much a problem as junkies. A huge problem. You just don’t see it because your alcoholic boss or coworker is able to appear normal. Meanwhile they’re swigging vodka on their break.

[@Annon_Emus]

you are doing great work, Douglas Murray! thank you!

[@mukhumor]

And the face lift looks great sweetie.

[@Annon_Emus]

@@mukhumor trolling NEVER looks good… but here you ARE

[@mukhumor]

@@Annon_Emus Are you the organ grinder or his monkey? 😄

[@Annon_Emus]

@@mukhumor lol silly, silly troll! when ALL that is in your repertoire is ad hominem attacks …what do you care?

[@mukhumor]

@@Annon_Emus You're starting to sound like Duggee. He likes to describe people as 'Silly'. Stood outside the gates of Gaza cheering on the slaughter. Fan boys like you getting a chub on. Rent a boy. 😄

[@djimiwreybigsby5263]

The CIA has been importing and distributing drugs in the United States for decades. Both of my conservative right-wing parents worked work for the customs and immigration department and the drug dogs were not allowed anywhere near the CIA planes even though they would go crazy from from 100 yards away

[@graceyocky8398]

WHY THE FBI HAVEN’T arrested THE DRUG DEALERS

[@teresaestevezalvarez664]

It's big commerce

[@skywind007]

You can't eradicate murder. Should we legalize murder?

[@alaskayoung3413]

I’m a high functioning and very achieved person who’s struggled with addiction my whole life. The methadone clinic saved my life and career. It allowed me to become stable and stop running around and stop spending money or doing risky behavior so I could start to fix my issues.

[@j0nnyism]

Good for you. Methadone is a foul substance that’s even worse for u than heroin. Get off that as soon as u can. U don’t have to justify your existence. You have value whether you have high achievements or not but well done for that

[@user-wg8bn2pc2d]

Im a lawyer and wealthy business owner in the financial service industry and I never have had problems with the law and I function very well regardsless of what I consume. I do not consume alcohol but I do consume just about everything else .. Im happy with my life and have no regrets .. Im just happy that I do not live in the US where everyone are so simple minded

[@tkorte101]

@@user-wg8bn2pc2dYou're probably dealing smack to your clients ​

[@serbryndenshiversthecool5928]

I have to agree, alcohol and tobacco are devastating, and we have, for better or worse, integrated their use into society. I'd rather know where the junkies are and to take out the criminal element to the sale thereof.

[@seektruth581]

Alcohol and tobacco don’t devastate communities like fentanyl. Smoking and drinking can reduce your lifespan quite a bit but fentanyl can is ending lives immediately.

[@LukeMosse]

​@@seektruth581 I think people want safe supply partly because fentanyl is being cut into everything else.

[@icarusjumped2719]

I am of the opinion that certain drugs should be controlled, but others should be free market regulated like achohol.

[@icarusjumped2719]

​@@seektruth581beer has destroyed more families than say weed though.

[@solidtank7957]

​@@seektruth581cigarettes have killed far more people, alcohol has as well. Fentanyl is currently illegal, and clearly, we learn yet again, prohibition doesn't work. The fentanyl crisis doesnt happen if not for the criminalization of other opioids.

[@Michael_X313]

You should ask people who've been through the actual shit what they think.

[@eye_straindigital]

People need to start researching the history of prohibition in the U.S

[@orenavinoam11]

Somehow, there aren't places in Europe that look like San Francisco. Maybe ask them what they're doing.

[@Cola.Cube.]

There are places like SF, but they aren't as big.

[@orenavinoam11]

@@Cola.Cube. which places are you referring to?

[@thishollowhill]

Have an actual example or just a magical place in Europe?

[@Cola.Cube.]

@@thishollowhill don't need an example. This ain't court.

[@tadget0566]

We say we are losing the war on drugs but we have never really fought it. If you want to stop drugs look at Singapore 🇸🇬 for your answers

[@yehudithyakobson9325]

Also so many people use prescripted drugs legally which are not less addictive..

[@Tomyum19]

Oh yeah. Douglas has been to a bar.

[@saturnfivehynrgrc581]

So who is going to manage this safe supply? And are there guidelines currently in place not enforced? When rules are broken to harm safe supply what are the penalties on said rule breaker/breakers?

[@helderfernandes5219]

Who supply your pills? When people have overdose of medical pills who rules the law ? When doctors supply pills and these people die of overdose, who gonna enforce the law? And the guidelines this people use, the safest right ? Wtf this people on internet 🤦‍♂️

[@carmenmccauley585]

Details details. We worked out the bar thing, the LCBO thing, the beer store thing. We're smart. We can work this one out too.

[@saturnfivehynrgrc581]

@helderfernandes5219 Duly noted. Sounds like you've got this one handled. Job well done.

[@alaskayoung3413]

They’re already doing safe use sites in Canada. They give them the equipment and clean drugs and allow them to use in a safe place and then leave. So it’s already been figured out. It lowered the crime and the overdose rate significantly in that area. Idk if it helps get people off or not but it did show positive effects.

[@mollypitcher9380]

She’s saying it’s easier to give up on society and it into a cesspool than to fight for a better world.

[@carmenmccauley585]

Nicely done.

[@davidcasson5602]

The key word is ,, “Enabling” , every one needs to understand what this means . Seriously addicted people ,, step over them or support their addiction ? What works ? We should know by now you might think ,💭.Unfortunately addicts have the complex human mind in the way of progress and if they don’t want to stop ✋,, they are stuck . Getting them unstuck is where we should be aiming. It’s all in the mind ,, one day a bright mind will get to the answer.

[@Michi85387]

Instead of spending money on war, we should pay police proper wages. Hire more detectives. Human trafficking alone needs its own policing.

[@djimiwreybigsby5263]

The US government and deep state are the biggest supplier

[@jgesselberty]

Begin by not giving welfare for drug users to spend on drugs. Follow that by letting Darwinism take its course.

[@perfectifmelancholy]

It's interesting to hear these guys talk for an hour about the premise of The Starlight Crystal by Christopher Pike.

[@yvonboudreau3932]

Unfortunately people are making decisions based on emotions and not logic.

[@emilyl6746]

It's survival of the fittest, right? The human body wasn't designed for the consumption of illicit drugs. So if a person willfully and consciously chooses to take drugs, let nature run its course.

[@Marymackthequeenofwack]

A homeless man in Portland said it best, "take away the narcan, and the problem will solve itself." He's 100% correct

[@user-wg8bn2pc2d]

The human body wasn't designed for the consumption of un healthy american food even if it is legal. Its a fact that highly educated and wealthy individuals live longer and better than those who are not that well off. I get my full medical efter year and do my drugs ever day and have been doing so for decades but I do not drink alcohol which otherwise is legal. Many of the drugs I consume no longer are criminal in Europe and there is no evidence that the drugs from a medical standpoint will shorten my life to the same extend which Alcohol or american food otherwise would do it. Remember that most drugs was perfectly legal until the pharmaceutical lobbied for financial control by making the import and sale of those drugs a limited privilege for the few elite. The fact is that many of the legal drugs are identical to the illigal drugs especially when it comes to opioids. I do however agree that the US has alot of very dangerous drugs which we never have experienced in Europe. I do not have the addictive gene and can switch of for months or years and do so when i want. Drugs should be legallized, taxed and sold from pharmacies. That way you can reduce the cost of you police budget by 100% (Because you are making a profit on the taxation of the drug sales) and treat those who can not manage their consumption is a responsible way. Its so simple and it works everywhere this method is introduced.

[@McGoogger]

There has to be a middle ground

[@scottfamily865]

Yes, even moonshine is a drug. But no drunkard would admit this.

[@Nobodyrubystone]

What drug douglas murry takes?

[@greatscott369]

What are drugs?

[@YELG_7]

"creativeTM" not in line with reality or consequences, rather

[@D76straight]

moonshine is actually very safe

[@TheFireGiver]

Only if it's made properly. If the methanol content is too high it will damage you severely

[@proffessorX]

Depends on how much anti-freeze is added...

[@jayparmar2322]

This women. Is very sad to hear what she believes is not true at all it’s just her opinion. I was addicted i was saved by Christ alone that’s my testimony ✝️🙏

[@chrishilbilly]

If you want to have a war on drugs improve people's quality of life

[@the_guiding_tutor]

❤

[@jesterstears7578]

It’s all gouvernement orchestration

[@citomakaveezly]

Second lady nailed it.

[@hutch23]

Recall what happened when alcohol was outlawed

[@mdwoods100]

You shouldn't tell another adult what to do or not do if they aren't hurting others.

[@wolfgangkranek376]

There will always be some drugs you cant legalize, because they are dangerous and harmful no matter what. And just because there is legal alcohol hasnt stopped people from producing and consuming illegal produced alcohol. There is a difference between helping people and not criminalize consumers on one hand and legalize dealing with drugs. We also dont legalize murder and theft just because some people dont care about the law and do it anyway.

[@sookibeulah9331]

But very few people bother to drink illegal alcohol.

[@davidhunt313]

As bad as drug abuse is, the ancillary violence associated with Drug Prohibition is far worse. With the repeal of Alcohol Prohibition in America, the homicide rate fell for nine years straight! Drug abuse should be treated as a medical problem rather than as a criminal one. Drug Prohibition Laws are a huge subsidy offered to organized crime!?! All this being said... allowing drug addled homelessness on city streets is never acceptable, even to Libertarians!?!

[@Hamter_mental_counseling]

You’re wrong. Alcohol and hard drugs are not comparable. Alcohol could be compared to low THC cannabis at best (not the stuff they sell on the street these days). I really dislike this parallel. You see young people on the streets of LA with limbs literally consumed by necrosis and you go “muh it’s like alcohol guys”. The left will never learn because they don’t want to. They just want to feel good about themselves for being “compassionate” even when they know for a fact that the consequences of this surface compassion are disastrous.

[@jamesbarry1673]

Make all drugs legal

[@lucianocornacchione]

Yep Second Lady is on point. However we should enable new people to become addicts. I think these locations should be limited to those already with addictions

[@johnnyc10000]

Yes ive been to a bar and no its not controlled...i can drink until im sick and pass out.

[@cath3638]

Drugs are not just on the streets, they are in the pharmacy, and that is where all the problems begin. Psychologists need to stop their predilection toward prescriptions as solutions for mental illness.

[@smorgasbroad1132]

The solution is a controlled environment in a lunatic asylum, they defiantly refuse to take the prescription drugs, but they will seek out street drugs. Explain why they should be given autonomy, please.

[@cath3638]

@@smorgasbroad1132 Because they are PEOPLE. They are suffering- just because they're not like you doesn't make them inhuman.

[@sookibeulah9331]

@@smorgasbroad1132because the street drugs are often more effective at numbing their emotional plain than the pharmaceuticals.

[@bluesky4568]

I completely disagree, drugs are different than alcohol... drugs can make instant addicts .. look at the drug zombies of California and other states like Pennsylvania

[@snwtoy]

1) Alcohol is a drug. 2) The addictiveness of a drug varies from substance to substance, some are not addictive at all. There is no such thing as an instant addict.

[@slickstrings]

​@@snwtoy i had an ice junkie come up to me and tell me, unsolicited that ice was the worst thing he had done in his life, and warned me not to even try it once. He said it was worse than heroin. So yeah, there definitely are instant addicts.

[@magicalfrijoles6766]

I'd respect the prohibition stance more if those people applied it to alcohol as well. At least then they'd be consistent.

[@TheFireGiver]

I am more on the drug liberalization side, but I don't think what you said makes sense. Not all drugs are equally harmful/addictive. We do severely control and regulate alcohol, but it is objectively less dangerous than, say, opiates.

[@krishnanusharma6186]

​@@TheFireGivercan i ask you which drugs are not addictive and harmful

[@krishnanusharma6186]

@CAMERONLOVESKIAZz either they are harmful or cause addiction

[@sookibeulah9331]

@CAMERONLOVESKIAZzI’ve known people addicted to weed who struggled to give up even after recognising habitual use made them paranoid.

[@gkappa4085]

We love how you adore gay men but only when they are fascists like Murray ❤

[@jayparmar2322]

This women. Is very sad to hear what she believes is not true at all it’s just her opinion. I was addicted i was saved by Christ alone that’s my testimony ✝️🙏