How Do You Know the Bible is True & Argument from Popularity | Rob - NY | Talk Heathen 02.48

[@lohkie2__3]

Athiest:We don't know. Theist: We do. Atheist:Really? Prove it. Theist: Here read this book. Atheist: Ok did that but where's the proof?......ill wait Theist: Well blah blah yada yada...faith Atheist: Riiiiggghttt so your "feels"

[@GuardianofClevelandHeights]

This caller is absolutely hilarious. He’s a string of rambling, incoherent, ridiculously overconfident non-sequiturs. He needs his own show immediately.

[@werwurm]

Or run for president 😂

[@chrissilver7719]

Was Rob one of the 3 wiseguy men ? Bringer of Mirth

[@awesomethealmighty]

I'd be willing to bet good money that more people today have read the entirety of Harry Potter than have read the entire KJV bible.

[@bodricthered]

Having read both the Bible and Harry potter I can see why, if God was in any way he needs both a ton of therapy and a really really form editor...

[@rrpostalagain]

I can’t get through the begats. I have a hard time believing that too many “read” all of that. I wish the narrative was cohesive and wasn’t a disjointed messy anthology. The Quran is way easier to read (in English, anyway).

[@moxbroker]

It’s easy to tell too, because when you cite the problematic verses in the bible they usually have to look them up to verify how horrific their god is.

[@petermeichan3160]

and fun fact both are heavly plagarised

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

I’ve tried to read thru the Bible several times, but omg it gets super boring! It needs severe editing

[@TheKosmikid]

Atheist “let me ask you a question “ Christian “let me start tap dancing” It is stunning how little Christians seem to know about their religion. Also how little they seem know about history.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Can you imagine the mental chaos from exposure to religion first and science second. Holy Sh--!

[@thajarin]

You are way way overstating his ability... it's ore like Atheist "Let me ask a question" Christian (proceeds to piss on his own shoe)

[@Arkloyd]

Or how little they know about reality.

[@fernandodingler372]

Rolf Leseratz you forgot about Jehovah’s Witnesses.

[@fernandodingler372]

Rolf Leseratz they actually study the Bible more than most Christians actually do, tho it seems they don’t study it enough considering they still believe in god.

[@tonymitchell8563]

These videos are too long. After 10 minutes, I can't endure the level of idiocy and hypocrisy of the callers. I don't know how the hosts do it.

[@Roddog61]

Again, You guys are so patient with these bird brains, you deserve a medal for patience. I cannot imagine.

[@DiamondCripple]

It's so nice the mental hospital lets their patients reach out to the outside world.

[@myishenhaines1706]

Way to make fun of us with mental illness. Aren’t you just clever and original. It’s not like people have been demonizing and treating us like a joke all of the time as a lazy literary tool.

[@geraldodonnell2595]

Everybody needs a hobby

[@JohnMorris-ge6hq]

Yes, it certainly is...

[@JohnMorris-ge6hq]

@Hillary's emails to Lorne I thought it was twice a month. And I am surprised that they let him out of his chains.

[@JohnMorris-ge6hq]

@Hillary's emails to Lorne q

[@sternwheeler]

Eric: Rob, how are you feeling today? Rob: Way back in the Seleucid empire…

[@puckerings]

Eric: Rob, how do you know the Bible is true? Rob: Well the Communist Party of Russia...

[@sternwheeler]

puckerings, I never could understand a damn thing this guy was getting at.

[@Meansnare]

Rob doesn’t need any more tools in his life, he is already one of the biggest tools I’ve heard speak.

[@Gdwmartin]

The conversation Rob is having is completely different from the one Eric and Jeff are having. They are asking him questions but his answers have little or no connection to the questions asked.

[@fredc.meekinsjr.5553]

Welcome to modern Christianity!

[@DulceN]

Typical...

[@raygowan1968]

I've only seen this one call from Rob, but I think Eric hit the nail on the head when he asked "Are you a Poe?"

[@BaronVonQuiply]

01:59 About a decade ago, the current release of the Harry Potter series came in #2 in book sales that year. That means a fictional story about a boy wizard who grows up to learn magick spells and sacrifice himself to save the world of regular mortals outsold Harry Potter. Impressive.

[@evilspyke5760]

so you said his key to getting on the show was to do his homework. but you let him on the show anyways. this guy doesn't listen. next time he calls, stay on the first topic and do not let him get away from it until he answers the question or 10 minutes pass, then hang up on him.

[@庫倫亞利克]

That would be some Matt-grade harshness which I doubt Eric would be willing to employ. It's efficient, but everyone has their own style.

[@suavewolf1]

That's a good point. I regret not holding him to it. I'll try to be better, thank you :)

[@suavewolf1]

@@davidsmock8235 I would understand that someone could lose confidence in me after I let the guy keep talking. I hope you stick around, I'm always trying to get better 😅

[@evilspyke5760]

I like the show and I think you do a good job on it. so thank you.

[@suavewolf1]

@@evilspyke5760 thank you 😊 Always looking to improve though! If you're going to give me your time and watch, I should be earning it by being the best I can be. That's a promise.

[@TheCheapPhilosophy]

Rob gave a master class on alternative history and wishful thinking.

[@billmcdonald4335]

Eric is on to him: I suspect Our Rob's a Poe. No one can be this stunned for realsies.

[@BelRigh]

Idk.... Thats the problem with a poe... It is indistinguishable between real believer and parody

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Picture Rob in charge of your son's education.

[@BelRigh]

@@JamesRichardWiley im in charge of my boys education... They get AronRa, mythbusters, mental floss, tonyReed and plenty of museums

[@jollyandwaylo]

I don't think he is a POE because he knows too much about a specific subject. I think he is just another arrogant religious nut.

[@ravarga4631]

I seem to recognise that voice from other calls to AE.

[@ecocentrichomestead6783]

History proves the bible true... Hmmmm I'm thinking Thor was the god of thunder. There is thunder in history. So Thor must exist!

[@Julian0101]

Also there are no frost giants, so Thor must exist to kill them to extinction.

[@sithguitarist698]

If Jesus was part of the avengers, he would be in charge of lunch. Then everyone would get pissed an kick him out because all he came up with was bread and fish. Then they'd invite him back when they realized.....Unlimited Wine!!

[@Anonerak]

You ignorant pagan everybody knows that lightning is from Zeus, or Raiden, or Pikachu.

[@Lupinemancer87]

@@Julian0101 Not really, since Frost Giants don't exist in Norse Myth, but he did kill the Jotnar.

[@jordanhenrickson2406]

@@Lupinemancer87 they did actually. In most books I've read, the're called Ice Giants, from the frozen land called either nithelheim or muspelheim, I don't remember which, the other being the world of fire, the two colliding in Norse mythology to form the worlds and bring forth the first beings. In any case, Ice giants are totally a thing in Norse Mythology - Loji was one of these, kind of the way they portrayed him I the Avengers movies, except he took a blood oath with Odin, instead of being found abandoned by him like they did in the movies.

[@xmillion1704]

@12:15 - I believe that the quote he's alluding to is by Steve Weinberg, “With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”

[@PassiveSmoking]

They don’t throw people off buildings for being gay in secular societies.

[@p.bamygdala2139]

Ahhhhhhh, Rob again. Charming. This caller strikes me as a classic narcissist. He needs attention. He loves to talk. He loves getting the hosts frustrated. He wants to show off. Perhaps redirect, and ask the caller about his life, his history, his wants and hopes and dreams and fears and needs, in order to show the audience where he is coming from and what shaped him, to educate the listeners on what factors lead to a specific personality. Otherwise, there’s no getting through to him, and I’m afraid little or no value to the session.

[@p.bamygdala2139]

Update: At about @26:50 you did just that, and asked him about his history! Awesome! But his answer was rehearsed and pre-packaged. I wish you would have pushed for more details . . . - Which assembly line was he working on? What city? What time of day? What was he making? What were you wearing? How long did it last? What did it feel like? Did anyone else see it or hear it or experience it? Who did you tell first? What was there response?

[@nadsneon2962]

Rob is likely narcissist who gets off from other peoples frustration. He is not interested in having a genuine conversation. He jumps on any random tangent he can think of to divert from the topic.

[@emmym1912]

“I seen a miracle”. The child was healed. Well , then if god healed the child he also made them sick

[@BigRalphSmith]

Dunning and Kruger must have known Rob personally.

[@suavewolf1]

🤣

[@geraldodonnell2595]

Rob, A person learns more from reading, asking questions and listening than from interjecting and interrupting.

[@stobe187]

The accent makes this even better somehow.

[@--Maximillian--]

Glad you guys have so much patience.Skipped through this one quickly. Like Matt said "meet them where they are", just not for so long.

[@themplar]

Rob really isnt the sharpest tool in the shed....

[@hakureikura9052]

somebody once told him...

[@geraldodonnell2595]

He's not the brightest bulb in the chandelier

[@addicted2SODA1]

Not the sharpest knife in the crayon box

[@Arkloyd]

He's blunt, but also soft in the head, so he's not even useful as a hammer.

[@monkchips]

If his brains were made of dynamite, he wouldn't have enough to clear his ears!

[@latinzane]

Time to promote the book!!!

[@Plumsouffle]

I think this is useful to everyone except Rob.

[@puckerings]

8:38 is absolutely fucking hilarious. Eric asks Geoff to give an example of a society which shows that religious societies are worse than secular ones. Rob, mishearing the question and thinking it's directed at him (because he's an idiot), responds "America." Which is actually a very good answer to the question that was asked, ironically.

[@lewisner]

I'd pay good money to see a video of Eric teaching Sunday school.

[@a.r.achterberg]

Dude literally said: AMEuRICAAA!! 😂

[@skibboshadow2670]

"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway." - Anonymous

[@nosfrattirek5690]

"Assertion" "No, you're wrong and here's why" "Assertion 2" Repeat for 40 minutes... this guy's like that Andrew kid from TAE, complete waste of time.

[@jonquist9950]

Rob doesn't understand what you're talking about when you say "tools" or a "process for finding truth". He also doesn't understand why his arguments fail. Not because you didn't explain it well, but because he refuses to think critically about it.

[@rparsi]

I'm convinced Rob is too stupid to comprehend the fallacies of his arguments.

[@johnmraz4332]

Rob is my favorite

[@user-yn2ru2ep1j]

I think in one of Rob's previous calls he mentioned that he didn't have children. Let's all hope he doesn't spawn.

[@notbot2648]

He's already 58, so chances are good he'll never have kids.

[@BlGGESTBROTHER]

That's the amazing thing about evolution: we aren't perfect copies of our parents and thus are not doomed to their same fate ;)

[@dannyspitzer1267]

Oh no, not "Rob" again, he's been on at least 3 times

[@JamesRichardWiley]

Dear Rob, The Bible is mostly fiction. Rob, can you hear me...wake up. Rob...

[@guts-n-cheese8377]

James Richard Wiley *Fades out from darkness* "Oh Rob, you're finally awake"

[@Ycekhold]

@@guts-n-cheese8377 >iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg

[@tedgrant2]

I've seen a child drowning and I did nothing to save the child. I just watched. I'm good.

[@tedgrant2]

I have a really great tool for you guys. Tell him to call back next week.

[@tedgrant2]

Why do they bother asking the caller questions. His answers appear to be completely random. If they asked him, "What is the capital of the USA ?", he might say "Thirteen rabbits". I suppose in some other universe, it might be the right answer.

[@johnsmith8079]

If you can dodge a question you can dodge a ball.

[@mamboch80]

9:35 Lol that scream in the background

[@roybarrows9733]

I had as much of this caller's idiocy as I could take at around the eight-minute mark. For all I know, he made perfect sense for the final 30 minutes of his call.

[@peterkotara]

Oh, trust me, he totally did.

[@ManivanAdventures]

It just still blows my mind that people like this actually exist lol

[@whybother987]

Where can I get "The book of Eric"?

[@eratoisyourmuse659]

I've never heard so many historical inaccuracies in my life.

[@nollattacykel]

Listening to Rob again after three years, I'm convinced he was trolling away full speed.

[@Brainfryde]

The book of Eric, without a single written word, is far more moral in any age when compared to the Christian Bible (any version).

[@kaybikerow]

So painful to listen to all the question dodging.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

I cannot live in a world without a magic man living in the clouds and watching over me.

[@nevermanishere]

@27:05 Working on an assembly line is the perfect scenario for someone to slip into a semi-hypnotic state - caused by the monotony and conformity of the task. In other words this idiot managed to hypnotize himself into believing in God. omg lol.

[@Dr_Opal_Winfinger]

Eric -- I just wanted to commend you for remaining entirely calm, unwaveringly logical, and unwilling to walk down rabbit trails. You kept asking the same question and and were unwilling to get annoyed, sidetracked, or entirely distracted.

[@lucacolombo7603]

I can't stop watching this show

[@kenmadden6294]

I have a close relative who suffers from schizophrenia centered on religious mania. He makes way more sense than this guy.

[@geraldodonnell2595]

Rob, you are hypothetically intelligent.

[@PascalRibaux]

I want to smoke what Rob smoked before he called into the show! 💨😂

[@hhvictor2462]

Godbot accusing people of "changing the subject." That's so precious.

[@tedgrant2]

If the caller "Rob" said, "What's up doc? " I think we would then know his true identity.

[@derwolf9670]

Eric: "Rob is a regular caller and pretty fun to talk to..." I don't know, Eric...I wanted to pierce my eardrum with a long needle

[@lohkie2__3]

"Shiiitttyy tools" 😂😂

[@nevermanishere]

@2:30 HERETIC! You know who else wasn't popular? JESUS. Yeah. So there. derpityi-dooTM.

[@G_killer_]

I hope he finds the book of Eric before it's to late!!!

[@RonLarhz]

When the book of eric was brought up, i knew i watched this joker before.

[@ohthelushlife]

I'm still convinced this guy is just a brilliant troll...

[@DriverGuy23]

Rob’s whole life truths are based on what’s popular. So, all I need to do, according to Rob, every time I need to find out if something is true is just ask 10 people and the majority decision will lead me to truth. I had no idea life was so simple. 🤷‍♂️

[@heathentheheretic4909]

Rob is a break wall. Nothing is getting past him

[@TheNomad94]

*brick

[@Berbs73]

@@TheNomad94 Good job, man. What would we do without you?

[@TheNomad94]

@@Berbs73 I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but I'll take it as a compliment anyway.

[@timdavidson8191]

Has Rob ever answered any question asked of him?

[@christian53050]

Why did Rob get air time, particularly in light of the fact that he was on before, with the same lousy result.

[@annickbrennen8779]

Most countries with the lowest murder rates are secular. Most countries with the best educational system are secular. Most countries where gender equality reigns are secular.

[@konradkopec]

saying that an atheist parent/teacher/person wouldn't do the bad things to others is a fallacy because assholes and sociopaths exist in every community regardless of the believes.

[@Lupinemancer87]

Clearly this guy has never visited Scandinavia, some of the least religious countries in the world, yet also some of the best to live in. Coincidence? No!

[@Unsensitive]

The plural of anecdote is not evidence.. I think I've heard that somewhere before 😉

[@johnm24358]

Quoting the noted philosopher, Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon!"

[@carlosbecerril3317]

Rob: We need an unbiased expert. Rob: which means a christian.

[@DecoytheSkeletalBoy]

Recently the manga series 'One Piece' managed to outsell the Bible... so I guess that's now a true work of religious text!

[@InteGritti]

Understanding what the term “fallacious” means seems to be necessary. Before you call research critical thinking and know the vocabulary terms. Personal experience biases, popularity biases, and so on.

[@nzrbroadcasting1421]

That attack on noah and his family the guy explained...that was from a movie! It was called noah and it was honestly pretty bad. I haven't read the bible since i was a kid but i don't remember noah and his family ever coming under attack.

[@akizeta]

Henry VIII was King of England from 1509 to 1547. The Pilgrim Fathers established their colony in 1620, during the reign of James VI, seventy years after Henry. How was this supposed to be a reaction to Henry's establishment of the Church of England?

[@ronburgandy5006]

If "Jack-in-the-Beanstalk" was in the bible, Rob would believe it without question. But I bet if Rob is buying a car or a washer/dryer He will want all the facts before he buys. He would likely never believe a salesman.

[@EnRamus]

Rob has to be a prank caller.

[@annangu3160]

"Gentlism" is this guy for real

[@carlosbecerril3317]

Eric, please make an actual book of Eric lmao

[@eduardopalmerin9520]

Please tell me we can purchase The book of Eric... I’d display it proudly in my home whenever my bible thumping relatives come over

[@metademetra]

"History is history" He says while referencing an indisputable Babylonian myth

[@arjenbootsma6881]

Steven Weinberg: With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil-that takes religion.

[@brendastark9544]

Robs voice reminds me of Tony Curtis, in "Some like it Hot".

[@banjod9842]

Can’t believe Woody Allen called in to prank the show.

[@zamiel3]

He says America was founded on religion...yet one of the first things the founding fathers did after forming the nation was seperate state and religion. I think the caller needs to take another look at the facts.

[@Disturbed0neGaming]

Rob has never come close to a logical argument, it's amazing that you guys give him so much time, I'm guessing it's for comedic relief but that's just my opinion.

[@tedgrant2]

Faith and truth are not the same. I don't need faith to know that my left foot hurts. If I tell my doctor that my left foot hurts, he needs faith that it does in fact hurt. But I could be lying and he would never know, assuming there are no detectable signs.

[@neutronpixie6106]

In the tattoo world, Rob is what you'd call being a needle short of a single liner.

[@Raz.C]

Dear ACA shows: Next time a caller tries pretending that Islam and Christianity are both about the same god, therefore it's all true, please point out to them that they are mutually exclusive: Islam states unequivocally that jesus is just a man. He is a prophet of god, but not a god/ not the god. Christianity teaches that he IS god. They can't both be true. Either the new testament is false when it calls jesus 'god,' or the koran is false when it says that jesus is just a man and not god. nb: there are some great resources your hosts might like to use at Religioustolerance.org It's a great website that I'm not affiliated with in any way, that has a copious amount of information of use to both theists and atheists (though I think atheists will get more from it).

[@sulas548]

Razar; Judaism, Christianity and Islam all stem from the same God but it is now a tree with tens of thousands of branches many of which are mutually exclusive and NONE of them are true. Anyone that claims that their little sub branch is the only true one is just plain wrong. Watch this it is very funny kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3-xiZKOntp0bZo

[@Raz.C]

@Hillary's emails to Lorne Yeah, I wasn't sure if I was clear in my disdain for both "ideologies," so as an addendum: Both islam and christianity are ridiculously specious myths that fall apart under an average level of scrutiny and any unbiased examination of reality would reveal this to any person who hasn't already made up their mind.

[@drg8687]

This applies to the various factions with in Christianity as well. Mormonism, Catholicism and Protestantism can not all be true, they are mutually exclusive positions.

[@Raz.C]

@@drg8687 Indeed, though it's a more salient difference between christianity/ islam/ Judaism. Even more laughable is how few christians even realise how anti-Judaic christianity is. They think that christianity is an extension of Judaism, yet they can only believe this because they don't know the first thing about Judaism and how utterly incompatible with christianity it is. In truth, Judaism is far more compatible with islam, though once again, still not compatible.

[@Godfather061]

I would suggest reading “On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt” by Richard Carrier PhD. Richard Carrier has a PhD in ancient history particularly the science of the Roman Empire he also can read ancient Greek language that the New Testament was written in. The New Testament was not written in Aramaic nor was it written in Hebrew. Even the Old Testament that was used for many of our current translations of the holy Bible came from the Greek Septuagint which is a translation of the Hebrew Torah along with some other Hebrew religious texts I believe the Torah is the first four or five books of the Bible. The only author who wrote any of the books in the Bible that we can identify is the apostle Paul of which only 5 to 7 of those books attributed to him actually were written by Paul. Richard Carrier who admits he’s an atheist but who also started writing his book “On the Historicity of Jesus…”Assuming that while Jesus was not the son of God who walked around doing miracles, Jesus was an itinerant rabbi who had a small following. When doing historical research Richard Carrier use Bayes theorem for estimating the probability that individual historical figures existed and performed the events attributed to them. For example historians are pretty convinced that Homer the alleged author of the Iliad in the Odyssey and Aesop the author of his fables did not exist. Whereas Socrates, Plato did exist. Now look at people in the Bible mainstream view of biblical scholars believe that Abraham, Joshua, Moses did not exist. The Exodus out of Egypt didn’t happen. Richard Carrier while an atheist was pretty much convinced that there was a man named Jesus who was an itinerant rabbi walking around preaching with a small following. He explains in his book that was pretty much the mainstream consensus view of Jesus. Mainly because all the mysticism writings were poorly documented at the time Richard Carrier was completing his PhD studies in 2008 or so he graduated with a bill of student debt that was around $20,000. Because he had a blog and was active in the atheist community he proposed that if his followers could raise $20,000 to help him pay off his student loan he would write a scholarly work on any subject they wanted. It turned out the overwhelming majority wanted him to look into the historicity of Jesus so he accepted and started a six year research project that ended up with him writing four or five books and culminated with a book on the historicity of Jesus a 600+ page annotated and documented with all his sources. The results using the most liberal interpretation of the evidence came up with 3 to 1 probability against there being a historical Jesus Christ and a more realistic probability of 12,000 to 1 against there being a historical Jesus Christ. Now that last one the 12,000 to 1 odds may seem absolutely convincing but as Richard Carrier said if you were told there was a 12,000 to 1 chance that your airplane was going to blow up would you get in that airplane? I would say if there was no other imperative for me to leave by that airplane and I’d probably not get on. Now if there was a civil war going on and Americans were being killed by both sides that I probably take my chances and as I say if it’s not something like that situation I’d stay where I was. Now for 3 to 1 chance I’m not sure. Anyway, as more documentation has come in I will suggest the evidence for an actual Jesus Christ is looking slimmer and slimmer and the more I read the Bible a book I called totally disgusting. Also several decades ago a library of religious clay tablets were found in the desert south of Israel but within a mile or so from the sea. I don’t remember if it’s the Mediterranean Sea or the Sea of Galilee or the Dead Sea all I know was there was a small town (or city) within view of the scene and then a little further inland was discovered the ruins of a temple complex in which this library of religious clay tablets were found. The interesting thing about the tablets were that they were written in an ancient form of Hebrew which contained an earlier version of the Hebrew Bible but very close to the Canaanite religion. A family of God’s called Elohim which was a council of the gods where El was the father God and his wife Asherah and he had three sons Hadad the god of the Earth, Yahweh the thunder God, and Baal the god of rain and dew and the most powerful of the Canaanite Gods whose aspect was the Bull. Baal was a friend of mankind and protector of children.

[@TriFekt]

For Rob the conversation went no where because he didnt listen, just talked.

[@kevinobrien2630]

Let me offer a counter-argument: The more pussy-cats a nation has, the less cruel it is.More cats, less violence!

[@snooganslestat2030]

Yes!

[@captainscarlett1]

Regarding the idea that there are not hypotheticals in the courtroom; Is not the whole prosecution case hypothetical? The evidence then promotes the hypothesis to a theory, beyond reasonable doubt, and that theory can always be overturned by evidence beyond any doubt. (This is why I oppose capital punishment. I would enjoy seeing some villains burn at the stake, but there is theoretically a possibility that the convict is not guilty. Reason, not God, prompts my mercy. So there.)

[@oliwagner5687]

Oh wow. I is... baffled. Baffled is I. I just... duuuuuuhhhhh...

[@SilverSixpence888]

Rob: The bible is true because of another legend that has similar ideas. Me: Cinderella is true because of Yeh-Shen.

[@stevenread5473]

Rob sounds a lot like Vince from Broooklyn.

[@Tremulousnut]

Basically, he didn’t do his homework he promised to do.

[@johnchambers9836]

The truely sad thing is I think he went away thinking he won the conversation and proved something