How Does Baptism Save Us?

Ask Pastor John
Episode: 1864
Transcript: www.desiringgod.org/interview...

[@oklartse]

I am getting water baptized on Sunday. 🙏🏻

[@raven3849]

Be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ not in titles brother All powers are given to Lord Jesus Christ and the name of the Father is in his son .John 5:43 ,Hebrews 1:4

[@oklartse]

@@raven3849 what do you mean not in titles?

[@raven3849]

@@oklartse the titles are Father ,son and Holy Spirit.

[@raven3849]

Acts 4:12 (KJV) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Hebrew 1:4 ,John 5:43 , Matthew 28:18-20 (KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. The name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ Amen! 2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Acts 8:14-17 (KJV) Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. Be Baptize in Jesus name his name is above all names the Father is in his son. Jesus Christ come in the flesh the Father was in him . When you see his Son you saw the Father because the Father is in him when he was baptized in Jordan River that moment God was in Christ. He was annointed with the Holy Spirit who God himself manifesting by His son and speaking by his mouth . Talking to the Jews and doing the works that God tells him to do in that time . And to us when we read his words and the time when he comes back from heaven Amen! Acts 2:37-39 (KJV) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

[@raven3849]

@@oklartse the Father is the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit was called the Father because he begotten a son by the womb of woman the man Christ Jesus is the lamb of God Amen .. God was in Christ ! When he was baptize in the Jordan River the Father anointed his son with his Spirit Amen! 1 Timothy 2:5-6 (KJV) For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

[@adriannaumenko8993]

Don't forget that in Acts 22:16 it says that baptism also washes our sins away too.

[@raven3849]

Mark 16:16 (KJV) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[@haniboulos1584]

Compelete the verse: "By calling on the name of the Lord" so washing sins is by calling on the name of of the Lord not by baptism.

[@raven3849]

Acts 4:12 (KJV) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[@raven3849]

Philippians 2:9-11 (KJV) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

[@JOSHUA7_25]

@@haniboulos1584 C'MON MAN!? Are you so ignorant re: reading Scripture? 1. Context is Primary. 2. Scripture interprets Scripture. 3. One must consider 1st ... What did it mean to its 1st readers? The passage was written to 1st century disciples. The phrasing is summary statement of The Baptism event. We know this because it is recorded as spoken elsewhere by the same Spirit-inspired author. Have you not read? How do you think Paul was saved?

[@TheCreepypro]

thank you Lord for your glorious salvation

[@wendywalker-drakes6496]

I do not share this point of view , i respectfully add Pastor John. Let us not leave out Jesus' words in John 3 and Acts 2: 38. I'll stick with Jesus' words. It is not symbolic. It is an act of faith knowing that at that point I come in contact with the blood of Christ that washes the sin away.

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@wendywalker-drakes6496]

@@ChristianJune32002 Hi there, it's been a while but I believe there is merit in keeping this scriptural. For those who hold to the belief that baptism is a work Question: Can you baptize yourself? Further 1 Peter 3: 21 does not say baptism itself is symbolic. The scripture draws the parallel between God saving Noah and family from a sinful world, as He cleansed the earth of everything except what was on the ark through the flood waters. In the same way THROUGH OUR FAITH baptism washes our sins away ( repentance and forgiveness of sins) (Acts 22: 16; Acts 2:38; Romans 6:4-6) giving us new birth into God's kingdom, into God's family and under the Lordship of Christ. We receive the indwelling Holy Spirit that imbues us with the power to say 'No' to ungodliness and to live life as a disciple of Jesus Christ. (2 Peter 1:3 -5). I will stick with the word of God on this.

[@an_nie_dyc1386]

Acts 2,38.39 says it all

[@Joel-zo6yo]

So does Leviticus 17:11, but we know that the blood of bulls and goats never had the ability to take away sins. And had Israel persued this law by faith and not as a work they would have attained righteousness. So we also approach baptism by faith knowing that it is with Christ we are buried and with Christ we are born again and not as a work.

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@raven3849]

@@ChristianJune32002 Yes brother that the true way of salvation for the remissions of sins in new testaments. Acts 2:37 -39 the name of the Father,son and Holyspirit is Jesus Christ .Matthew 28:18-19 John 5:43 ,Hebrews 1:4 John 10:30

[@JOSHUA7_25]

Precisely, an_nie_ ... and the passage is confirmed by The Holy Spirit through Peter, Paul, John and it is sourced in Jesus

[@JOSHUA7_25]

@@ChristianJune32002 You seem unaware of the precision required by GOD. Have you not read?

[@williamcopeland6683]

From a conscience testifying to the soul and witnessing to the principalities and powers you have entered the war

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@williamcopeland6683]

@@ChristianJune32002 it is a witness to the conscience of an inward work.. but not a work

[@glennwaynewalters]

I'll have to listen to this again and again ... but I'm hoping that my questions about those baptism verses (that are so often ignored or butchered) have finally been answered in a convincing way by a fellow Baptist.

[@elcioel.]

Amen.

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@biblealone9201]

"Peter said to them;...'be Baptized everyone of you in the Name of Jesus Christ...and you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost...For the promise is to you, AND TO YOUR CHILDREN and to all'..." The Acts 2:38-39 Jn 20:21, "As the Father has sent Me, I also send you." Jn 17:18, "Even as thou hast sent Me into the world, so I have sent them into the world." Jn 17:22-23, "And the glory that thou hast given Me, I have given to Matt. 28, 18-20: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore. and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Is necessary for salvation. John 3:5 - "No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit" Mark 16:16 - "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved" Acts 16:30, 33 - "what must I do to be saved? ... he and all his family were baptized" 1 Peter 3:21 - "baptism which saves you now." See also: - Matthew 28:19, Acts 2:38, Acts 16:15 Mark 16:16 - Jesus says to the crowd, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved." But in reference to the same people, Jesus immediately follows with "He who does not believe will be condemned."

[@bloodyshrapnel2119]

Baptized by the Holy spirit. Being born of water means being born of a woman. Her water breaks. It has nothing to do with being dunked in water. Being baptized in Jesus's name means just that: Being submerged in the Name Jesus. Not water.

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@biblealone9201]

@@ChristianJune32002 Guess you cant read✔✔

[@TriciaRP]

​@@bloodyshrapnel2119being BORN OF WATER IS being baptized In water fully emerged in Jesus name ...... YOU ARE IGNORANT AND. NEED TO GET OFF SOCIAL MEDIA . unbelievable unbiblical

[@TriciaRP]

​@@ChristianJune32002YES. JESUS said except we be born of water and spirit. Please be water baptized in JESUS name full emerged

[@johnnilan8240]

Jesus answered, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit. John 3:5 Why did Jesus, the Savior and King, say this?

[@phieble]

Jesus said that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born again of water and the Holy Spirit, yet he does not say that the water part of that refers to water baptism or even that it is something that we do. In fact, Jesus' whole point in the conversation about being born again was that it is something that we cannot make happen but only the Holy Spirit can-John 3:6-8 Therefore, the being born of the water has to be referring to something that the Holy Spirit does. For clarity on that consider Ephesians 5:25-26 - "For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her 26) to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word." According to that passage, Jesus makes us holy or justifies us by 1) sacrificing his life for us in order to purchase our souls from being under slavery to sin and the devil and thus subject to God's wrath, and 2) by washing us with his word, which is inspired by the Holy Spirit, particularly the Gospel which in Romans 1 is said to be the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes. It is obvious that not everyone who hears the Gospel is born again and saved, and the reason for that is told in several places including: Romans 9, John 6, John 10, and 2 Corinthians 4, and Matthew 13, most prominently. Faith is a gift from God that we cannot muster in ourselves. With all of that in consideration, what Jesus was saying was that no one can enter into the Kingdom of God through faith in him unless they are washed with the word (exposed to the Gospel) and then are subsequently made alive by the Holy Spirit so that they can appreciate the seriousness of their sin as well as the beauty and power of the Lord Jesus so that they will repent and surrender in faith to him. Water baptism then, a work which we do, is a subsequent physical enactment that symbolizes what God did in us spiritually to save us.

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@phieble]

@@ChristianJune32002 Romans 3:25-28 25) For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26) for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. 27) Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. 28) So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

[@brandedforchrist8502]

@@phieble May our good God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ continue to bless and enlighten you by His Spirit in Jesus name Amen 🙏🏾❤

[@alastairhopkins245]

@@ChristianJune32002 Water baptism is symbolic. It shows you dying to your old life and rising to a new life in Christ Jesus. Only Jesus saves. Water baptism doesn't. Charles the Third will not become the King at his coronation. He became the King when his mother - Queen Elizabeth the Second - died. The coronation symbolises that he is now the King. If Charles dies before his coronation he will still have been the King. A coronation for William or George would be nonsense as neither of them are King.

[@Godfrey118]

I will translate John Piper speak for everyone here: in short he said "whatever the verse says, it can't mean what it clearly says, because it doesn't agree with my theology"

[@JOSHUA7_25]

Now, Andrew, that is a perfect translation. I now realize Who John is, ..., he is the Pied Piper written in fairy tales, (and now writing and speaking his own), and still up to the same misleading of children. So sad, the judgment of him that Jesus spoke in Matthew 18:6. I continue to wonder how a man like him, who obviously wants to love God, seems blind to the basics: (the term eisegetical idiocy comes to mind.)

[@bobthrasher8226]

9:10 Col 2:12 The "faith" Paul is describing here is the faith that believes God will regenerate the baptizee just as God gave Jesus new life. We should remember there is more than one "act" of faith in the Christian life. We walk by faith and so we repent and come to baptism because we first have faith in the message and then in baptism we receive new life from God because we believe God can do for us what he did for Jesus. This is why Paul says "YOU have been raised through YOUR faith in God." This faith is operating in baptism to ask God to circumcise (v. 11) and regenerate. Paul is saying the reason you have faith in God concerning your rebirth through baptism is because you first believed the message about God's resurrection of Jesus. BTW, Col 2:12 says being "in baptism you were raised with Christ..." This is baptismal regeneration in one short phrase.

[@lawrencepaolino6589]

Colossians 2:11-12, not Colossians 1:11-12. How about Acts 2:38?

[@brandedforchrist8502]

“Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”- Acts‬ ‭2:38 Peter was speaking to Jews on Pentecost and called them to be baptized for the forgiveness of sins and to receive the Holy Spirit but noticed that this was just the first day the Spirit came upon him and thought baptism washes away our sins and causes us to be born again by the Spirit but fast forward to Acts 10, Peter was speaking to Cornelius and his family who were Gentiles and as he was still preaching, the Holy Spirit fell on them and spoke in tongues, this happened without even being baptized in water as Peter once thought and preached on Pentecost.. So what does did this event teach him? That we are forgiven of our sins by faith and we are baptized by the Holy Spirit by faith not of works lest anyone should boast.. Paul wasn’t there when this event took place neither Peter tell him what happened but Paul already got his doctrine from the Lord Himself and that’s what Paul preached that we are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ alone and he the jailer in Acts 16:30 asked him what must I do to be saved, Paul didn’t recite Acts 2:38, he simply said believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and shall be saved because that’s what Jesus taught him.. If we add anything to faith, then it’s no longer the gospel of grace but of works.. Read Romans 10:9-14

[@bobthrasher8226]

I am not Roman Catholic or CoC (raised Evangelical non-denom) but I believe in baptismal regeneration (of sin-conscious people) because the verses which teach on baptism (Acts 22:16, Acts 2:38, Rom 6, Col 2:11,12, Titus 3:5) seem to indicate it when you read the literally. I find that more of Scripture "coheres" when you realize that baptism is how you "get into Christ." So much of what I have heard to dissuade from this view often reads-into the text ideas that are not necessarily there. Nor do I believe that scripture teaches baptism is an automatic "ticket to glory." It simply accomplishes what we call justification and one must still choose to live an obedient life.

[@itstoasty7089]

The Holy Spirit brought to mind of the perfect example that solves this question. Remember the men who were with Jesus on a cross? One on Jesus’ right and left. One of the men believed and told Jesus to remember him in His kingdom. Saying this out loud at death’s door for many to hear was surely a death sentence during that time, but it was a risk that man took for all eternity. Perhaps after he said this, the soldiers mocked and pierced him as well with a spear. Through faith, he was saved because he knew about the gospel of Jesus. He knew about the kingdom to come and what Jesus was doing. Jesus answers with this: “And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭23‬:‭43‬ ‭ Not an inch of water in this amazing rescue ‘story’, or should I say, rescue history.

[@TriciaRP]

i ran back. Not listening and God spit me ? I want back how GOD made me. I want back PLEASE PLEASE PRAY

[@williamengel8729]

Matthew 3:11-17 Amplified Bible, Classic Edition 11 I indeed baptize you in (with) water because of repentance [that is, because of your changing your minds for the better, heartily amending your ways, with abhorrence of your past sins]. But He Who is coming after me is mightier than I, Whose sandals I am not worthy or fit to take off or carry; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. 12 His winnowing fan (shovel, fork) is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear out and clean His threshing floor and gather and store His wheat in His barn, but the chaff He will burn up with fire that cannot be put out. 13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John to be baptized by him. 14 But John protested strenuously, having in mind to prevent Him, saying, It is I who have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me? 15 But Jesus replied to him, Permit it just now; for this is the fitting way for [both of] us to fulfill all righteousness [that is, to perform completely whatever is right]. Then he permitted Him. 16 And when Jesus was baptized, He went up at once out of the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he [John] saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on Him. 17 And behold, a voice from heaven said, This is My Son, My Beloved, in Whom I delight!

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@JOSHUA7_25]

It would help, Will, if you would emphasize: "This is the way to fulfill all righteousness."

[@JOSHUA7_25]

@@ChristianJune32002 Read this Ben and tell me what you think. 1. "All Scripture is GOD-BREATHED!!!" 2. "EVERY WORD from GOD is FLAWLESS!" 3. 47 “If anyone hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge that person. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; THE VERY WORDS I have spoken will condemn him/her at the last day. 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me WHAT TO SAY AND HOW TO SAY IT. 50 I know that HIS COMMAND LEADS TO ETERNAL LIFE. So whatever I say is just (EXACTLY) what the Father has told me to say.” 4. "Have you not read?" 5. 2 Peter 3:16 6. Proverbs 30:5-6 ... Revelation 22:18 7. James 2:20 ... 2:24 Somehow, during the last several centuries, the word "Faith" has been twisted by religious eisegetes to mean "intellectual assent" only. In Jesus' time, the preponderance of evidence shows that, in short, the word was conceptual, meaning "faithfulness and trustworthiness" It is most often understood to be a noun that leans toward being a verb. Certainly, GOD says, Faith without works is useless. Most relevant for this conversation is: John Piper ... "C'mon man?!" ... engage here ... please explain the authority alignment when Protestants, "protesters", say, Faith alone, while the FLAWLESS WORD FROM GOD, GIVES US, ONLY ONCE IN ALL OF SCRIPTURE, the phrase, "faith alone". Unfortunately for you, John, GOD says it in HIS negative contradictory statement to protesters, "You foolish man, ...,Faith without works is useless, ..., YOU WANT EVIDENCE, look at Abraham, ..., his faith/works together were his credit for righteousness ... his deeds made his righteousness complete ... so you see ... righteousness is NOT by faith alone." Let me make the point crystal ... the logic is irrefutable!!! IF: God's way of saying Scripture is FLAWLESS ... any man who says different is FOOLISH! THEN: ANY DOCTRINE built on "faith alone" is FOOLISH AND WRONG!!! NOT LEAST BECAUSE: GOD says, "..., not by faith alone!" AND "..., in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, ...." NOW LOOK ... The blindness you and all who believe "faith alone" hold in your belief system is sourced in minds which are closed because you will not believe Jesus. Logic demands 1 conclusion "alone". IF Jesus said, "The person who believes and is baptized will be saved; ...." AND Paul said, ..., my sins were washed away in my baptism, calling on HIS name. AND Peter said, "souls were saved through water, ..., this baptism now saves you, ...." THEN THE QUALIFIERS do not change the essential meaning of GOD'S words. If you read carefully with the "scales" taken from your "eyes", you will see that problem for you "protesters" is that you don't understand the difference between what saves people and how they are saved. What saves: The Grace sourced Death/Blood, burial and Resurrection of Jesus. How is a person saved? the saving power of that event is applied to her or him. Where and when: According to GOD, when a person believes that Jesus is Lord and God, that person must Repent and believe that GOD has chosen to apply the forgiveness during full-immersion Baptism. During the Baptism event, the person confesses that Jesus is Lord, thereby calling on HIS NAME. That sequence of actions fulfills all righteousness and the person is then "SAVED"!!! That sequence, BTW, aligns in 1-to1 correspondence with all Scripture rather than "selective" eisegetics. I invite you, John Piper, and you disciples, and all who believe "faith alone" to present a logically sound and aligned-with-all-Scripture refutation of this post. Eisegesis is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text.

[@bobthrasher8226]

1 Peter 3:21 "....baptism, which now saves you through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" - Rom 6 and Col 2:12 say that baptism "immerses" you into Jesus' resurrection which is what Peter is referring to in 1 Peter 3:21. And to be "raised with Christ" is another way of saying "regenerated." A regenerated person is going to live a righteous life which is attended by a good conscience as Peter mentions here and which will "testify" to God in the final judgement (Rom 2). Further, baptism washes away past sins (Acts 2:38, 22:16) which also provides for a clean conscience. So we have complete provision for our conscience - both past sins committed as well as for the future through living an obedient life going forward. Paul places a greater emphasis on how baptism saves a person from the power of sin while Peter here is focused on how baptism "births" a righteous person (as Noah was) which God will deliver into His eternal kingdom just as Jesus was admitted to God's presence after his resurrection because he was righteous.

[@merinsara5861]

my doubt: then why does Jesus say:, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.? why is the baptism by water ,a need to enter into heaven ?

[@paulw8579]

I've wanted this. Something about Baptism.

[@davidking3089]

DAVID BAPTISM DOES MEAN U SAVED! JESUS IS THE ONE WHO SAVES U! BAPTISM IS SHOWING PEOPLE THAT U HAVE ASPTED JESUS AS UR PERSONAL SAVOR! THAT'S ALL IT STANDS FOR! NOW BEING BATISTED IN THE HOLY GHOST! IS A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE! THAT REALLY SHOWS U ARE SAVED&PEOPLE!🙂

[@JOSHUA7_25]

NONSENSE ... AND DIRECT CONTRADICTION OF JESUS!!! Please show us the Scripture that supports your statements.

[@JOSHUA7_25]

STILL WAITING ... PLEASE REPLY

[@SpotterVideo]

Which baptism? Old Covenant Baptism vs. New Covenant Baptism (water vs. Spirit) Water baptism was a part of the Old Covenant system of ritual washing. The Old Covenant priests had to wash before beginning their service in the temple. (Ex. 30:17-30) When Christ was water baptized by His cousin John in the Jordan River, He was under the Old Covenant system. He also only ate certain foods, and wore certain clothes, as prescribed by the 613 Old Covenant laws. Christ was water baptized by John and then the Holy Spirit came from heaven. (Acts 10:38) The order is reversed in the New Covenant. A person receives the Holy Spirit upon conversion, and then believers often declare their conversion to their friends and family through a water baptism ceremony. Which baptism makes you a member of Christ’s Church? The New Covenant conversion process is described below. (Born-again) Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, (A person must “hear” the Gospel, and “believe” the Gospel, and will then be “sealed” with the Holy Spirit.) Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (See Jer. 31:34 for the New Covenant promise, and 1 John 2:27 for the fulfillment) ============ Which baptism is a part of the salvation process, based on what the Bible says? What did Peter say below? Acts 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning. Acts 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. Based on Luke 3:16, and John 1:33, and Acts 11:15-16, the most important thing about the word "baptize" in the New Testament has nothing to do with water. The Holy Spirit is the master teacher promised to New Covenant believers in Jeremiah 31:34, and John 14:26, and is found fulfilled in Ephesians 1:13, and 1 John 2:27. Unfortunately, many modern Christians see water/ every time they read the word "baptize" in the text. Based on the above, what is the one baptism of our faith found in the passage below? How many times is the word "Spirit" found in the passage, and how many times is the word "water" found in the passage? Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, Eph 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Eph 4:3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, (See 1 Cor. 12:13) “baptize” KJV Mat_3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Mar_1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Water or Holy Spirit?, See Eph. 1-13.) Luk_3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire: Joh_1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; Joh_1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 1Co_1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (See Eph. 4:1-5) Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (Old Covenant ----> New Covenant) How many people have been saved by the Old Covenant water baptism of John the Baptist? Who did John the Baptist say is the greatest Baptist that ever lived in Luke 3:16? What kind of New Covenant baptism comes from Christ? Hebrews 9:10 Old Covenant vs. New Covenant (ESV) but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation. (Geneva) Which only stood in meates and drinkes, and diuers washings, and carnal rites, which were inioyned, vntill the time of reformation. (GW) These gifts and sacrifices were meant to be food, drink, and items used in various purification ceremonies. These ceremonies were required for the body until God would establish a new way of doing things. (KJV) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. (KJV+) Which stood onlyG3440 inG1909 meatsG1033 andG2532 drinks,G4188 andG2532 diversG1313 washings,G909 andG2532 carnalG4561 ordinances,G1345 imposedG1945 on them untilG3360 the timeG2540 of reformation.G1357 (NKJV) concerned only with foods and drinks, various washings, and fleshly ordinances imposed until the time of reformation. (NLT) For that old system deals only with food and drink and various cleansing ceremonies-physical regulations that were in effect only until a better system could be established. (YLT) only in victuals, and drinks, and different baptisms, and fleshly ordinances-till the time of reformation imposed upon them .

[@JOSHUA7_25]

A seeming thorough study ... in support of a NONSENSE PREMISE. HAVE YOU NOT READ? YOUR 1ST PARAGRAPH IS TWISTED SUPPOSITION ... UNSUPPORTABLE UNDER LOGICAL SCRUTINY. C'MON MAN. Show us Scripture that says, "This Baptism (water) does not save you." or "This water Baptism is not the event in time when your sins are forgiven and The Holy Spirit gifts you , ...." Are you a "Faith alone" blasphemer?

[@SpotterVideo]

@@JOSHUA7_25 Eph 1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, ======================================= What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. Watch the KZbin videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

[@bobthrasher8226]

8:50 After John reads Col 2:12 he says "baptism is described as an act signifying new birth" - sorry, but Paul did not "describe" baptism as "signifying" anything. There is no "signifying" language here.

[@angloaust1575]

Spiritual does Water doesn't!

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@angloaust1575]

Not essential merely symbolic Altho infant baptism is practised The Holy Spirit baptism is the saving Power!

[@raven3849]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/iX2uZnaah5WioMU

[@ConnorLundeen]

Baptism is not said to be a picture or a representation of something that has already happened. In Romans 6, Paul does not mince words: 4 We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. Baptism IS being buried in Christ. Not a picture of having already been buried. The main difference is this: Protestant Evangelicals view baptism as a work of man. I would posit that that is an unsubstantiated view, and we see Biblical language of baptism as something that happens to us. Who does this work? God.

[@phieble]

Paul is clearly speaking in analogies, but people who insist that he's speaking literally misconstrue what he's saying to support false doctrine. Here's how I know. Verse 4 says that we died and were buried with Jesus through baptism (notice it doesn't even say water baptism.) Yet, no one literally dies and is buried with Jesus when they get water baptism, therefore the baptism that MUST BE referring to something symbolic. We are however dead, buried, and raised with Christ through faith and not by any act of obedience in ourselves as explained in Galatians 2:16-21. When we place our faith in Jesus, the Holy Spirit indwells us and joines us forever with Jesus, and this is also called baptism by the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians 12:13. That is the baptism that Paul and Peter are referring to but most people just tend to assume water baptism, which IS a work that we do that doesn't save anyone but symbolizes God's work of salvation in us through the baptism of the Holy Spirit as a response to our faith in Jesus. ANYTHING that God tells us to do is a work of the law even if it is not explicitly stated in the Old Testament law of Moses because all disobedience is sin and all sin is the breaking of God's law (commands all over Scripture.) - 1 John 3:4 Finally, consider that it is impossible to please God without faith, anyone who sins is a slave of sin, and all slaves of sin are hostile to God and therefore never can or will do anything that pleases the Lord. - Romans 8:5-9 As Jesus said, "Without me you can do nothing," therefore if you are not already saved then no apparent act of obedience to anything that God commands us will be pleasing to him, and if we already have faith when we move to obey God then that means that our salvation preceded the work and therefore was not caused or aided by it. Salvation is all from God because even the repentance and faith that he requires he must give (2 Corinthians 4), and when he does we we are saved before we do anything else because we are saved by trusting in Jesus not by anything that we outwardly do. We do not assist Jesus in being our Saviour in anyway, therefore we have no room for boasting. - Ephesians 2:1-7

[@ConnorLundeen]

@@phieble your entire premise is that baptism is a work of man. No. Baptism is a work of God. And in case you forget, I Peter 3:21 is directly connecting baptism with the waters of the Flood, ergo, not some invisible "Spirit baptism" that is impossible to discern. Christ brought us the Triune Baptism we have today. It is the unification of the Water and the Word.

[@phieble]

@@ConnorLundeen Water baptism IS a work of man because it is people who are doing it and not God. Spirit baptism, which saves and is discernible by fruits of ongoing obedience in the lives of Christians, is the work of God done to us because we cannot do it. There is nothing about our salvation that we can point to and say that we did it to contribute to bringing it about, because if so, then we would be a co-Saviour with God and have room to boast. The baptism that Peter compares to the waters of the Flood is not water baptism but Spirit baptism. He says it himself: Baptism saves not by removing dirt from the body (not the baptism by which you are dipped in water) but as a response to God from a clean conscience (the baptism of the Spirit that is a response to your faith.) In other words, we are saved by the baptism of the Holy Spirit that happens because we place faith in Jesus just like Noah and his family were saved by going through water rather than being consumed by it because he had faith in God.

[@ConnorLundeen]

@@phieble are pastors given the authority of God?

[@phieble]

@@ConnorLundeen YES! Pastors are given some authority by God. According to Jesus - "And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.” - Matthew 16:19 Peter had just declared that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the Living God, and Jesus responded that upon the rock (Peter's statement of faith,) he would build his church. Pastors are the leaders of the church and they handle and declare the word of God, so they have the authority to tell people "If you don't repent and believe as Peter believed about Jesus Christ then you do not belong to the church and are under the dangers of judgment." Pastors can't save, but they can minister under several different church ordinances and tell people that they ought not have assurance of salvation because they are probably not saved based on their habitual words and actions, and then they can keep those people from being declared official members of local congregations or excommunicate them. Ordinances include baptism, communion, appointment to leadership and other ministerial positions, and matrimony, etc. That's a great deal of authority under Jesus.

[@rayzorback88]

Simple, it doesn't

[@alastairhopkins245]

Water baptism happens because someone has been saved. Water baptism doesn't save. The recent coronation happened because Charles is now the King. The coronation didn't make Charles the King. Charles became the King when his mother - Queen Elizabeth the Second - died. A coronation for William or George would be nonsense as neither of them are King.

[@jesuschristfollower6251]

And we know that Catholicism is false and it's not a true religion because many of the things they do go against the word of God, such as praying to Mary, such as confessing your sins to a man for the Forgiveness of sins 1 Timothy 2:5 there is one mediator between God and man Jesus Christ, Philippians 4: 6-7 be anxious for nothing let your request be known to God through Jesus Christ, not to Mary not to any man, and this is just to name a few I could go on and on about the Catholic Church, the Bible says test every spirit 1st John 4:1 do not believe every spirit, but test the spirit to see whether it came from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

[@bloodyshrapnel2119]

Vatican is the whore of Babylon. Revelation 17. They are worse than not being Christians... they are pure evil.

[@jesuschristfollower6251]

@@bloodyshrapnel2119 yes well said very true

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@jesuschristfollower6251]

@@ChristianJune32002 that's a great question, no they don't Romans 10:9 if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you shall be saved. For it is with the heart that man believeth unto righteousness, and it is with the mouth that one confesses unto salvation, also Ephesians 2:8 for it is by grace that you have been saved through faith, people are saved by accepting Jesus Christ as their lord and savior and believing in him through faith because of the grace of God,

[@bloodyshrapnel2119]

@@ChristianJune32002 No.

[@2BeLikeChrist]

I have a lot of respect for John Piper, but I think he gets this one wrong. This has nothing to do with Catholicism vs Protestantism, it has to do with the pattern of the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. You can't just keep saying "faith alone" and ignore the New Testament's clear teaching on baptism. First, baptism is not a work of the law or a work of merit whereby we "earn" salvation. The Bible never presents it as such. Baptism is something we receive, and in it we received, freely, the grace of God. Peter told the crowd in Acts 2:38 they needed to repent AND be baptized for the forgiveness of sins (i.e. to receive the grace of God). Ananias clearly told Paul "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name." Paul understood and did not object to the fact that his sins were washed away when baptized. Paul had faith before he was baptized, but his sins weren't "washed away" by the grace of Jesus blood until he received baptism... according to the text. Paul later wrote that those who have been baptized have "put on Christ" (Galatians 3:27). Jesus told Nicodemus that we are born again and made a new creation by water and the Spirit. The simplest understanding of this text is the water of baptism and the Holy Spirit. Again, we are not being made new by our own righteous law keeping or "work of merit"... it is all the Holy Spirit, but God has decided He wants the process to take place in the symbol of baptism, which represents Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection to new life (Romans 6).... Why did God decide to do it this way? I don't know, but who am I to argue. This view is completely compatible with Colossians 2:11-12 which John mentioned. Verse 12 says, "having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead." We are raised out of baptism to new life how??? THROUGH FAITH in the powerful WORKING OF GOD... Baptism isn't some kind of work of the law, it is the point where we are made new by faith in God's power. You see, baptism is never presented in the Bible as a work of merit by which we earn salvation. Baptism is always presented as the place we receive, by faith, the grace of God... It is all God's power and none of ours! Baptism doesn't "cause" new birth, the Holy Spirit does, but the place the Spirit works is in the water (according to Peter, Ananias, and Paul). 1 Peter 3:21 is also compatible with this view. As Piper said, baptism is an "appeal" to God. We go to the water as an appeal to God. We go in faith that the Holy Spirit will make us new by His "powerful working"... NOT OUR WORKING!... God's powerful working (Col 3:12). This view is also compatible with the writings of Paul in Romans and Ephesians. This view of baptism is not an attempt to add "works" to a system of grace, it is an understanding of baptism as something we received, and in it we receive the new birth and the free gift of God's grace. I suspect those who immediately define baptism as a "work" or a "work of the law" or as an "act of earning salvation" have allowed religious traditions (especially those of the reformation) to define baptism for them, rather than getting their definition from the Bible itself. Piper's view requires mental gymnastics to get around verses like Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Galatians 3:27, Colossians 2:11-12, 1 Peter 3:21, John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Matthew 28:19-20 and others. It largely ignores the pattern we see in the book of Acts where people who believed were baptized immediately: the people on the day of Pentecost, the Samaritans when Philip preached to them, Simon the magician, the Ethiopian nobleman, Paul's conversion, Cornelius, Lydia, the Philippian jailer, not to mention John and Jesus' pattern of baptizing disciples. It is not honorable or humble to proudly proclaim we are saved by "faith alone" if we have to ignore/twist half of the Bible to reach that conclusion. The whole Bible needs to be harmonized, and deemphasizing baptism isn't the way to do it. I have no doubt Piper is honest in his attempt to explain these verses. I've known few men as committed to the Biblical text as he. So when I see what I believe to be a significant mistake in hermeneutics, I feel compelled to say something. I certainly don't think I have everything figured out, but I do think we need to do a better job at harmonizing the Bible's clear teaching on baptism with the Bible's clear teaching about salvation through grace. btw... i'm not catholic lol.

[@saintvanguard]

If baptism is the place we receive the Holy Spirit explain Acts 10:44-48. Where the Holy Spirit falls on the Gentiles before they are baptized with water. And then explain Acts 11:18 where the apostles acknowledge that the Gentiles were granted the repentance that leads to life. Also, what about Acts 13:48 where it says as many as were appointed believed which goes back to Romans 8:29-30, “Those whom are foreknown are predestined, those who are predestined are called and those who are called are justified and then those who are justified are glorified.. And what about Acts 16:31 where Paul says to the jailer when He asks what must I do and Paul says, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved[…]” And what about Acts 15:9 where The Apostles Peter says God cleansed their hearts by faith! And according to Ephesians 2:8 faith itself is a gift from God, not of works, so that no one may boast… It seems everyone wants to use Acts to make claim to baptismal regeneration yet if you read all of Acts, Acts itself doesn’t support baptismal regeneration. And what about Acts 19:3-6 when Paul is in Ephesus and says to some disciples that John baptized for repentance telling the people to believe in King Jesus. By the way, I’m reformed.

[@2BeLikeChrist]

​@@saintvanguard The example in Acts 10 of the Spirit empowering Cornelius' house was not an example of someone being "born again." Just as the Apostles were not born again when the Spirit fell on them on Pentecost. The Spirit did many things in the early Church and not all of them were regenerative. In Cornelius' case the Spirit acted as a sign of God's approval for the acceptance of the Gentiles into the Kingdom of God. Up until this point, the gospel hadn't been preached to the Gentile world. Without a sign from God, Peter would have never baptized Cornelius' household, because it was not clear to the Jews that the Gentiles were to receive the grace of Jesus. We see this when Peter defends his actions in Jerusalem in Acts 11. The Spirit acted as a clear indication from God that the Gentiles were to receive baptism, hence Peter's statement, "“Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” This explains Acts 11:18. The Gentiles were granted repentance that leads to life, in the exact same way the Jews were on Pentecost when Peter told them to "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins." Notice also, after the Holy Spirit had been given as a sign of God's approval, Peter "commanded" Cornelius and his household to be baptized. I find it concerning that Peter, who was guided by the Holy Spirit commanded baptism in Acts 2 and in Acts 10 yet we feel at liberty to suggest it isn't necessary. The Holy Spirit Himself commanded baptism on both occasions. Your point on Acts 13:48 and Romans 8 isn't really an issue. Just because a person is predestined doesn't mean they ignore the instruction to be baptized. Those baptized on Pentecost, the Ethiopian noblemen, Paul, and others weren't any less predestined because they received baptism. I think it's a bit misrepresentative to stop reading Paul's instructions to the Philippian Jailer at verse 31... let's include the next couple verses: Act 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Act 16:32 And they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he was baptized at once, he and all his family. Paul didn't conclude his teaching of the Philippian jailor with the instruction to "believe"... he continued teaching him the "word of the Lord"... and when he concluded the Jailer and his family were BAPTIZED AT ONCE. Clearly, Paul's teaching included baptism as part of complete belief. Acts 15:9 also poses no problem to my view. As I mentioned, and as Piper mentioned, Colossians 2:12 - "having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead." The Spirit of God cleanses our hearts by faith... what faith? The faith that we have in the powerful working of God. When is that done? Colossians says it is in baptism. Jesus said it happened by water and Spirit (Baptism and the Holy Spirit), Titus 3:5 says it is by the "washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, (Washing AND Spirit). 1 Peter 3:21 says we are saved when we appeal IN FAITH to God through baptism for His grace. All these verses fit together perfectly. Once again, no one here is arguing in support of works based salvation. We are saved by faith in the power of God and we are made new by the power of the Spirit when we receive baptism. This also aligns with the pattern of the original creation. In the beginning, in Genesis 1:1-2, God's SPIRIT is hovering over the face of the WATERS... and it is from those 2 elements that creation is formed... So to, when we are made a NEW CREATION (2 Corinthians 5:17) it is by water and the Spirit. Now that i've addressed the verses you referenced, I ask you to address the ones I mentioned above. Perhaps just one... Question: In Acts 22:16, why does Ananias tell Paul "Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name."? Paul already believed in the risen Jesus, so why weren't his sins washed away? Why did he have to be baptized in order for that to happen?

[@2BeLikeChrist]

@@yvonned6428 See my comment to @saintvanguard... It addresses these points.

[@saintvanguard]

@@2BeLikeChrist So, you’re telling me that the Holy Spirit descending upon you is not what qualifies you as born again? Where is that in scripture? You have to do all sorts of gymnastics to say that the Holy Spirit descending on someone is not what leads to life… For it is Christ’s name alone that we are baptized into! He alone receives the glory. The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit are 3 in 1. If we are baptized with the Holy Spirit then we are baptized with Christ. Romans 3:22-27, “Even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith, for a demonstration of His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who HAS FAITH in Jesus. Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.”

[@saintvanguard]

@@2BeLikeChrist You sir are distorting the gospel and there will be judgement for all those who mishandle His word.

[@saintvanguard]

People will try to tell you that water cleans you spiritually when the ocean can’t even clean itself physically. Sure. Nice try.

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@raven3849]

@@ChristianJune32002 baptism in the name of Lord Jesus Christ is for the remission of sins so that you have the power to overcome sins by the power of resurrection of Lord Jesus Christ kzbin.info/www/bejne/iX2uZnaah5WioMU

[@bobthrasher8226]

..and yet the dirty Jordan made Naaman's flesh "like that of a young boy" on account of following the instruction of the man of God. In a word, regenerated. I wonder if that's why Irenaeus used that example? God can use water, even dirty water if necessary, to do the supernatural.

[@saintvanguard]

If there is anymore confusion I would encourage you all to read Acts 10:44-48 and see that the Holy Spirit falls down upon the Gentiles before water baptism occurring. And then in Acts 11:18 the apostles agree they had been given the repentance that leads to life, furthermore showing faith itself is a gift from God according to Ephesians 2:8.

[@an_nie_dyc1386]

Baptism was added immediately after this incident.

[@saintvanguard]

@@an_nie_dyc1386 Yes, but the Holy Spirit is the deposit and seal of the promise of the inheritance of salvation, not water.

[@bloodyshrapnel2119]

@@saintvanguard This. You must be baptized in the Holy spirit, not water.

[@bloodyshrapnel2119]

@Yvonne D Yes , exactly. The water baptism was a shadow of tge true baptism to come.

[@saintvanguard]

@Yvonne D Furthermore, Ezekiel 36:26 says “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.” - LSB‬‬

[@Mrten-jg4qj]

If you don't have Gods mark, then why be concerned. Its written why baptize your self for the dead. And its written you must be qualified for baptism. And that bible is out dated, if it ever was.

[@HearGodsWord]

So what have you replaced the Bible with?

[@Mrten-jg4qj]

@@HearGodsWord Name, mumbers, and colors. One thing in the bible that symbols everyday living, is those fou horsemans.

[@HearGodsWord]

@@Mrten-jg4qj sorry, I'm not sure what you're trying to suggest.

[@Mrten-jg4qj]

@@HearGodsWord i suggest nothing that any here would understand. Because they do not know. And these humans doesn't want to know the truth. They want to continue with self opinion, and argument.

[@HearGodsWord]

@@Mrten-jg4qj as always then, you offer nothing other than the things you complain about I.e. self-opinion. I keep giving your chances and you never take them.

[@biblealone9201]

1. Are we saved by Grace Alone? Yes, as this is the teaching of the Catholic Church. Grace is a gift from GOD. It is given freely to us, but in return He expects us to do our part by our performance of Good Works. 2. Are we saved by Faith Only? No, this is "Sola Fides", and it is taught by a few Protestant sects. It is impossible, for salvation by Faith alone, for we can do nothing of ourselves without the Grace of GOD, and again Good Works. The only verse in the entire Bible where the words Faith and Only appear together is in James 2:24 where he said, "You see that by works a man is justified, and NOT by faith only." 3. Are we saved by Works Alone? No. Mere human works are useless without the grace of GOD and faith working through love. 4. Can we say we are "Saved" by just accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior? No. This is what some Protestant sects teach, Baptists especially. This teaching excludes doing Good Works and essentially says that as long as we accept Jesus Christ, we can do anything we want to do. If this teaching were true, then what is the purpose of the Ten Commandments (Trent, session 6, chapter XI)? Why did Jesus Christ say, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of Heaven; BUT HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN SHALL ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN." Matt 7:21. Now how can anyone DO the will of the Father without doing Good Works? 5. Salvation is an on going process... We were saved in the past: Rom 5:1-2, 8:24, Eph 2:5-9. We are being saved now: 1Cor 1:18, 1Cor 15:2, Phil 2:12, Heb 10:14, 1Pet 1:8-9, 1Pet 2:1-2. We will be saved in the future: Matt 10:22, 24:13, Rom 6:16, 13:11, 1Cor 3:15, 5:5, Gal 2:17, Gal 5:4-5, Rev 21:6-7. We can also lose our salvation: Matt 6:14-15, *7:21, 24:44-51, 25:31-46, Mark 11:26, Luke 10:16, John 14:21, Rom 11:22, Rev 21:8, 21:27.😜😜

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@JesusChristIsLordoflords]

The only baptism that saves us is the baptism of the spirit the moment you’re born again when you put your faith in Christ as your Lord and Savior.

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@brandedforchrist8502]

@@ChristianJune32002 No my friend.. If we have to be baptized in water to be saved then it’s no longer by grace but by works of righteousness but that’s not what the scriptures says, this is what the scriptures says “But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,”-Romans‬ ‭4:5‬ “that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.”- Romans‬ ‭10:9-10‬ “For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”- Ephesians‬ ‭2:8-9 “and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭16:30-31‬

[@raven3849]

@@ChristianJune32002 Yes brother that the way of salvation that the Lord Jesus Christ preach and all disciple and apostles . Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. John 14:6 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Acts 2:37-40 (KJV) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Not baptized in the titles but in the name of Jesus because the name of the Father , son and the Holyspirit is JESUS CHRIST AMEN All powers are given to Lord Jesus Christ in heaven and earth .Matthew 28:18-19

[@raven3849]

John 3:5 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Born of water baptized in the name of Lord Jesus Christ Born of the Spirit receiving the Gift of the HolyGhost by evidence of speaking with others tounges Acts 2:37-38 (KJV) Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Mark 16:16 (KJV) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[@brandedforchrist8502]

@@raven3849 how do you reconcile all that you have said to what the apostle Paul preached in Romans 10:9-10? Or is there contradictions in the word of God? And if born of water means baptism and it precedes born of the Spirit, then how did Cornelius and his family born of the Spirit before being baptized? Or were they not saved when they were born of the Spirit? And why did Paul tell the jailer in Acts 16:31 after the jailer asked what he must do to be saved that he should believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and he shall be saved? Was Paul wrong for saying that all we need is faith in Christ and we shall be saved?

[@justfromcatholic]

John Piper should do his homework better. In Catholic teaching there are actual grace and sanctifying grace. The former is freely given directly, without Sacrament - it is grace that enables us to believe in Christ and to obey His Commandments. The latter are given through Sacraments - that being said God is not bound by Sacrament and can still freely give it outside Sacrament. During Reformation Luther still taught the necessity of Baptism and him being born again refers to Baptism. In Luther's own words (emphasis in capital is mine): The significance of baptism is a blessed dying unto sin and a resurrection in the grace of God, so that the old man, conceived and born in sin, is there drowned, and a new man, born in grace, comes forth and rises. Thus St. Paul, in Titus 3[:5], calls baptism a “washing of regeneration,” SINCE IN THIS WASHING A PERSON IS BORN AGAIN AND MADE NEW. As Christ also says, in John 3[:3, 5], “Unless you are born again of water and the Spirit (of grace), you may not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” For just as a child is drawn out of his mother’s womb and is born, and through this fleshly birth is a sinful person and a child of wrath [Eph. 2:3], so one is drawn out of baptism and is born spiritually. Through this spiritual birth he is a child of grace and a justified person. Therefore sins are drowned in baptism, and in place of sin, righteousness comes forth. Luther: The Holy and Blesses Sacrament of Baptism Luther’s Works, Vol. 35, page 30 These every person must know. In the first place, note the command of God, which is very stern when he says: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned" (Mark 16:16). THIS IS A STRICT COMMAND; IF A PERSON WANTS TO BE SAVED, LET HIM BE BAPTIZED; OTHERWISE HE IS IN GOD'S DISFAVOR. Luther: Sermons I Luther’s Works Vol. 51, page 182-183 John Calvin still relates washing of regeneration in Titus 3:5 with Baptism. In Calvin's own words: By the washing of regeneration I have no doubt that he alludes, at least, to baptism, and even I will not object to have this passage expounded as relating to baptism; not that salvation is contained in the outward symbol of water, but because baptism tells to us the salvation obtained by Christ. Now the Apostles are wont to draw an argument from the Sacraments, to prove that which us there exhibited under a figure, because it ought to be held by believers as a settled principle, that God does not sport with us by unmeaning figures, but inwardly accomplishes by his power what he exhibits by the outward sign; and therefore, baptism is fitly and truly said to be “the washing of regeneration”. But here Paul addresses believers, in whom baptism is always efficacious, and in whom, therefore, it is properly connected with its truth and efficacy. But this mode of expression we are reminded that, if we do not wish to annihilate holy baptism, we must prove its efficacy by “newness of life” [Romans 6:4]. Calvin: Commentary on Timothy, Titus, Philemon available online at www.ccel.org

[@HearGodsWord]

Actual grace sounds just the same as free/common grace.

[@ChristianJune32002]

Do people have to be baptized with water to be saved?

[@justfromcatholic]

@@ChristianJune32002 Yes, if the person has the chance to have it. God can save any without Baptism like the thief on the cross (who had NO chance to take it).

[@justfromcatholic]

@@HearGodsWord Actual grace includes grace that enables us to believe in Christ, to pray and to repent from sinning. Common grace of Reformed tradition does not include those.

[@HearGodsWord]

@@justfromcatholic so saving grace and sanctifying grace in your tradition.

[@notofthischurch2822]

So, is it your argument that God changes? Given the ETERNAL FATHER establishes circumcision with Abraham (Genesis 17:9-14). Why did HE not establish baptism as the sign, instead of the circumcised foreskin? I know of the dispute between Paul and Barnabas (Acts 15). And the fracture that erupts between the two. But this church ignores this disharmony with respect to the truths and revelations born there from this fracture between Paul and Barnabas. Nevertheless, if baptism reduces circumcision to naught. How is it that this god does not change?

[@leebard9335]

The way we interact with and obey God has changed, not God Himself.

[@notofthischurch2822]

​ @Lee Bard, thanks for your response. Our walk in life. Our obedience to what the LORD commands of man, is the ultimate testament to God's unchangeable Will. If God is the sun, its constancy is that it rises in the east and sets in the west. Now that we understand that it's the movement of the Earth and not the sun itself that gives the appearance of the Sun's rising in the East and setting in the West. Does this change how we're to understand the truths that govern a man's life? In that, given our reproved intelligence about the Sun's "rising." Are we no longer to draw hope, strength, and intelligence from an analog with the Sun's "rising"? In that, the light that rises in the east is the light that carries us forward throughout life. And that it's this light that's the essence that strengthens and empowers us to face the darkness of the West that is the analog of death? Now that we understand it's the Earth that evolves around the Sun and not the Sun the earth. Does this alter how we're to interpret what the LORD prophesies to Israel through Isaiah: "Therefore thou hast forsaken thy people the house of Jacob, because they be replenished from the east, and are soothsayers like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers" (Isa 2:6 KJV). In that, the LORD reveals through Isaiah how Israel's set her face against Him. And now, fallen, she draws her strength from a nether source. Wherein, we reckon the source of her strength, as "Strength" in that it comes from the east. Yet, the LORD makes us ever aware of how this "strength" of Israel is to her utter ruin. In that, "they be...like the Philistines, and they please themselves in the children of strangers" (Isaiah 2:6 KJV). While it's in Deuteronomy 18, centuries before this hour in Isaiah 26. The LORD makes us aware of how the ways of a soothsayer are an abomination to Him. In that: "When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee" (Deu 18:9-12 KJV). So, in following the rule you set forth wherein we're to be pliant in obeying what the LORD commands of us. Given new evidence. Is it your claim that Israel was in the right to give attention to the ways of the Philistines given the facts and conditions before them, proved a more persuasive argument? So, where you insist, "The way we interact with and obey God has changed, not God Himself." We have enough here to renounce the same as presumption (Deuteronomy 18:20-22). Wherein we're to conclude, it's presumptive to believe that what the LORD requires of us in our generation is any different from what He required from Adam. Even to the first of man who emerged from evolution's quagmire to separate himself from the beast and fowl. Wherein, about this hour of our primordial fathers' emergence from evolution's quagmire. It is in this hour, our primordial fathers began to use the "sun and moon" as references for "day and night" that they accounted for time as the "seasons" (Fourth Day of creation (Genesis 1:14-19). It is at this hour our primordial fathers began to surmise for themselves what served as a moral and spiritual good and evil. And so, now that we have atomic watches and clocks with precision in the microseconds. Does this grant us the allowance to declare evil good and good evil? In that, what was a moral and spiritual evil in the days of Moses. Is it a moral and a spiritual good today? Our walk in life. Our obedience to what the LORD commands of man, is the ultimate testament to God's unchangeable Will.

[@leebard9335]

@@notofthischurch2822 No, God's commands have not changed and neither has He changed His mind on what is evil. Jesus has revealed a new way to fulfill the same unchanging law of God, which we could never fulfill through action due to the inborn sin passed down to us from Adam but which we could fulfill through faith in God to forgive our sins. With Jesus establishing a new covenant where His blood is the only sacrifice needs to declare us righteous, we can trust God to work in our hearts repentance leading to salvation, with Jesus' righteousness and fulfillment of the Law counting as our own. Jesus, the one Man who lead a righteous and sinless life, has given His life for us and His righteousness is imputed to us as if it were our own. We then live our faith in God by abiding by His word and in the True Vine of Israel, Jesus Christ. Jesus did not overturn the Law, but fulfilled it on our behalf.

[@notofthischurch2822]

​@@leebard9335, you affirm my proposition: "if baptism reduces circumcision to naught. How is it that this god does not change?" With Jesus as God. Having come down to "reveal a new way to fulfill the same unchanging law of God." Affirms a god that changes. It is a god that changes given what he required of yesterday's generation is a standard that's good for nothing in this generation. So the whole of faith is utter presumption. Given, come tomorrow, or in the next hour, God-the-Son can decide that his standard today is worthless and devises a new basis on which to impute sin. That means, God-the-Son-Jesus is a god that cannot be trusted as he's ever on the verge of changing what he wills for man. As well as how he envisions man affecting that will.

[@leebard9335]

@@notofthischurch2822 I should have said it's new from our perspective. Jesus was always planned to die on the cross, rise again and serve as our only High Priest; God has planned all of creation and it's events from the beginning. Nor have God's requirements or commands- the events pre Jesus' birth, death and resurrection were a demonstration of man's inability to live up to God's commands on their own merits so that we would understand why Jesus was necessary and have even more to witness of God's grace to celebrate and worship Him for. None could fulfill the Law in it's entirety except Jesus. I recommend the book of Hebrews for an in-depth look at how Jesus reveals more of God's nature to us. While God does not change, our understanding of Him always will, for as God is infinite and unknowable, there will always be more to learn of God- and infinite time to praise His worthiness! God welcomes inquiry into His nature; meditating on God, God's laws and ways and His every attribute leads to a closer relationship with God and that's one of the reasons we were created.

[@kyscco24]

“Happy thanksgiving week to those of you who listen to us in the US or Canada.” Um, Pastor? Canada celebrates their thanksgiving on the second Monday of October… Otherwise, great message