How Does Gravity Training Work In Dragon Ball Z?

How Does Gravity Training Work In Dragon Ball Z? ‪@LSMMIKE‬ and ‪@PlagueOfGripes‬ explain in this DBZ video featuring the anime and manga!
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[@PlagueOfGripes]

My only regret is not being able to talk about the entirety of every mechanic in Dragonball, which we tried to do anyway until my brain got overwhelmed! Was a lot of fun to do this, thank you, Mike!

[@izaakamesta1919]

I love that you two collabed, and im glad to see you are embracing being an anime analysis video creator, lmao, love your vids man

[@ChrisDeVarro]

Dude I loved your tienshinhan video. They definitely need more people to shine a light on this bigoted hatred of tien. This man has always been awesome to me, and I hated how super did him.

[@freshcleenex3714]

Then don't stop there! I want to hear you two talking about every mechanic in dragonball. Your discussion has a high level of logic and accuracy

[@AnotherDaysTruths]

Man seeing plague around is always a blast in nostalgia! I found man's through the super best friends machinima days ❤

[@paulmajano]

Why do you hate Naruto @plagueOfGripes😂

[@childishsloth4164]

I agree with the idea of vegeta using grade 4 to limit himself to train in the gravity chamber. So theoretically he only put it on 150x gravity bc of trunks being there.

[@ladrellhart2063]

You should do a video on "what if Vegeta did gravity training on his way to Namek and would he have remained stronger than Goku" every sense Goku used the gravity training on his way to Namek, Vegeta has had lots of trubble keeping up with Goku. With Goku always being one step ahead of Vegeta.

[@exia7777]

Not really. Vegeta would have overtaxed his body thus limiting his overall long term gains as shown in the cell saga

[@CornaOnTheCob]

​@@exia7777I feel like a lot of people sadly overlook that.

[@danielsilva-ds2u]

​@CornaOnTheCob there's no point to mention a future vegeta tactic to a previous one. What we saw in a previous one is near death experience is zenkai boost. Then we see goku go through several while training. Toriyama has yet to stress " that overworking yourself" is more detrimental than beneficial to a saiyan. However without the senzu beans...vegeta would max himself out once, and arrive on namek already broken because he still needs time to regenerate.

[@Sleepless_Sam]

While it's fun watching people make sense of Toriyama's writing, I usually think about it like I imagine he does: "Wow, that's so cool, it's more than the last thing"

[@ken12345garcia]

I think or presume, gravity training is pretty useful for all the characters whether the ki enhance or not. I believe the gravity training is like lifting weights all over your body external and internal. Put this against weighted clothing, gravity training has its benefit. I'm convinced Vegeta used gravity training without ki reinforcement. This strengthens his durability and ki output overall. I could be wrong. I use Vegeta because he uses it quite frequently. So the benefit would be keeping his body strong and overall stamina pretty high. Not saying he's not using ki but he's limiting the amount of ki he uses to get the overall result above. Imagine having a force placed upon you at all times and just attempting to walk. Point being Vegeta probably uses gravity training to simulate a constant stress while being able to stay in an optimal state. Like stated previously ki is most likely linked to overall stamina and will power.

[@JustinBobby-di9zt]

Sounds right increased durability is always greatly beneficial

[@jacoblebron5035]

The amount of thoughtfulness that goes behind these videos is crazy. Two true fans of the material and a truly underrated channel

[@GeteMachine]

I think its probably done as resistance training (though wouldn't work on people irl) it might work on Saiyans, because of how Zenkais boost their power after near death situations. The pressure on their body adjusting to the resistance of their mobility that would evidentially make their reflexes faster, and with Earth having less gravity it would also realistically make Saiyans far faster than they would be on their own planet. That might be what they are trying to simulate. Like astronaut training. Or maybe it forces them to tap into more Ki in order to make their bodies faster (because without it, it wouldn't make sense for them to still have the same speed on planets with harder gravity.)

[@perc_black6068]

Did not realize this was 44 minutes long. However, I enjoyed the whole thing. Great video to watch before work.

[@Mvfasalways]

Dude I love his videos

[@EndoScorpion]

Regarding Frieza soldiers using those ki blasters since they can't control / manipulate ki..... There are plenty of characters in Frieza's army, including Frieza himself, who CAN manipulate ki. By that I mean they can shoot ki blasts. To do that theyd have to be able to manipulate the ki in their bodies, move it to their arm, hand, finger, mouth, and then project it out of the body with harmful intent. Or abilities like paralysis where they use their ki to immobilise an opponent, or Vegeta's "burst open and mix" which uses ki to generate an artificial moon, or using ki to switch bodies with someone. If they can do this; they should know how to raise and lower ki. It would work the same. It would be a relatively easy technique compared to "burst open and mix" or CHANGE! Basic taining for the Frieza army would include training to control ki. And there would be a branch of researchers dedicated to mastering it.

[@aceclover758]

As evidence with Raditz, things like Ki sense and Ki control enough to raise your battle power in short bursts is rare in Frieza’s army Nappa didn’t even think it was possible to sense Ki without some sort of device

[@FrankAsagi]

I think the zenkai boosts and them getting stronger is mostly physical, not ki. The page you show at 20:12 specifically says that Goku is taking advantage of his Saiyan biology and increasing his "strength," not increasing the amount of ki/chi he can produce.

[@TheJadeFist]

Some good points were made about, the ki equalizing the forces of the mass of the person and the outside gravity, and made a lot of sense. Makes some of the gags, like Vegeta hopping around in the fight vs Pui Pui, but I could totally see Vegeta flying a little to flex on his opponent.

[@pownallsnooks5457]

Some excellent logic and points made in this video. Really good watch 👍🏻

[@Saintjackoftrades]

NEEEERDS! Lol you guys are awesome. Thank you for the video.

[@hanshawks5088]

What they should do is build a gravity machine in the time room and grow senzu beans in there 😮😮😮

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Love your content Mike! You always make My day 😊😊😊❤❤❤❤

[@JustinBobby-di9zt]

It's about both strengthening the body and Ki control. Increased durability enhances his overall Ki output.

[@shamusfarmer]

I don't think even Beerus could stand up to neutron star gravity like you mentioned. Big difference between 300x earth gravity and 300,000,000,000,000,000,000x earth gravity.

[@TerryB01]

No matter how gravity triaining works, just remember to turn it off BEFORE you jump into bed!

[@quanmfsanchez411]

I always liked the gravity increase but only people who ever felt another gravity is the OG sayians Goku's family and Vegeta's family even chaotzu and krillin Tien also yamacha the mannnnn he actually survived 300x gravity that dog 🥇😆

[@Luke973T]

The yamcha part was filler. He would have been crushed most likely if he tried that

[@Shawn.Mathew]

I love your content! Hope to see more vids

[@jasonbrasington7880]

Maybe wearing weights would damage the joints, but it depends on the person. The heaviest football linebacker is said to be about 370lbs. I mention this type of person since they usually have the highest mass while also having an athletic lifestyle. If a person who weighs 200lbs wears 90lbs of weight then the total mass they will move is only 290lbs, far less than the heaviest linebacker. If that person is cautious then they would spend considerable time getting acclimated to the new weight by walking, doing basic body weight exercises such as push ups, squats, toe touches, etc while wearing the weight. Then later some light jogging can be done or even hiking. After more time, to practice agility, they could play games like table tennis or even regular tennis while wearing the weight. Unfortunately, the end result of this type of exercise is not a dramatic increase in strength. Many people who have tried strength training may have noticed that bench pressing 100lbs even 1000 times won't do much to help a person bench press 300lbs or more. Yes, it improves strength to a point, but eventually it primarily becomes a stamina training exercise. As an additional note, some sources say that Goku's body weight is about 137lbs. Wearing 2 tons a piece for the weights is like training at 116x Earth's gravity. 10 tons a piece is like training at 583x Earth's gravity.

[@crisstoff89]

Weights strapped on your extremities damage your joints , its some fad from the 80s that alot of shows and movies picked up , it was a thing back then. Lifting weights with your hands and running with weights in your hands are 2 different things and the later has all risk and no benefits . A vest would be ok since the weight is on the body and the acceleration and deceleration is better dispersed instead of pulling and pushing right from the joints themselves. The whole moving with weights is more of a stamina and endurance training rather then strength like pushing a huge rock or lifting it above your head. They (dragon ball ) also do strength training as well but strength training doesnt really add much to fighting ability since its about managing your internal energy (ki) and more on how fast and mobile you can be and especially how explosive your attacks are rather then just pushing /pressing something. With that said , gravity traning is nothing like strength training.

[@rizzwan-42069]

I'd say external weight is different from internal since internal weight is build to withstand it it's like upsidedown pyramid vs normal pyramid

[@adamnapolitano432]

Oh my gosh! Two of my favorite intellectuals together in a collab! YES!

[@antoniomcneary]

I think you hit the nail on the head with Akira Toriyama not explaining how Ki works very much. DragonBall's appeal comes from simplicity and achieving the impossible, it wouldn't make much sense to explicitly state every mechanic for the audience and fit the story's charm. However as far as how you deep dived this topic and both of your reasonings you aren't far off in comparison to how Chi/Qi works in the real world. Something really important you guys speculated that does correlate to real Ki control is your physical body does have a limit and can be overdeveloped physically unless Ki is developed to support the physical body. Goku and Vegeta hit their physical body's limit a very long time ago and what has ended many of the clashes between opportunities is a Ki clash so it makes sense for them to train their Ki control to enhance the effect and multiply it further. If we're comparing this to a real world martial artist who is primarily an external style and is full on hard conditioning eventually usually in the 30s -40s he will start having problems like hi blood pressure, heart disease(hi Goku!) because your organs haven't been developed enough internally to maintain the load the physical body puts on them. So at some point you have to start learning soft energy training stuff like Yijinjing, 8 brocades, 5 animal sports then develop into small/grand circulation. It's why a lot of athletes don't have careers past mid 40s, they're literally shutting down from the inside and they don't know it. On different note I wonder if Goku got heart disease because he achieved Super Sayan on Namek and his body couldn't handle the intense Ki output which is the reason why he died in the main timeline. If you notice no one else had Goku's problem as it took more effort for Vegeta to achieve Super Sayan, maybe this was the backlash from Goku using the Gravity chamber on the way to Namek. He took a shortcut and his body gave backlash for it.

[@levig3576]

It’s it me or am I seeing a random surge of training type db videos on KZbin

[@TheJadeFist]

I kinda think that weighted clothes most accurately add to the initial body weight of the user. Like even if it's only a 10 lbs for some one who weighs 100 lbs (we're going small here for easy math), that's 10% more mass they have to freely move around. Now if you do your own body weight, that's twice as hard. Just for basic movements. So even if the weight isn't that much, it's still adding who much energy is required to move it along side your own body. Even if they can bench press a mountain, that's a feat outside of their own basic movements, but things like simply flying around becomes that much harder to reach the same speeds that they would normally. So it's really more of a multiplier of force needed and not a linear addition. Of course this multiplier must be considered in addition to higher gravity. So wearing your body weight in 10 Gs, is like working in 20gs, with the one upside that your blood won't weight 20 X normal. SO weighted clothing is probably safer than high gravity.

[@clericofchaos1]

I mean, it's actually a pretty standard training regiment. The concept is the same one used for weighted training clothes irl. The big problem is that there's a limit to what that can do for you. For instance, if you don't like the weights on constantly your body will just readjust to it's standard weight. Same thing with the gravity chamber. Irl it would be more like a temporary boost than anything and probably not as great a boost as you might think...also isn't plague the guy who made the "choose your partner" video, cause that was furry as hell.

[@gmkgoat]

Among many other animations, yes.

[@dominicdeshazo2285]

I wear a 20lb weight vest from time to time normally at my part time because it’s a lot of walking involved if I did it for a month 8-10 hours a day I’m sure I’d see a difference in my body

[@clericofchaos1]

@@dominicdeshazo2285 i doubt it, the most i can see it doing is giving you back pains. then again, my backpack in highschool weighed in at 50lbs and i obviously had to carry that everywhere with me for hours and months at a time and i don't think i caused any permanent damage. Didn't really develop any muscle either.

[@jobdylan5782]

Not a big plague fan but it's refreshing to see him around

[@317kato]

Mike bro love the videos bro I’ve been watching for a while now and you’re by far the best dragon ball content creator on the platform man👌🏾👏🏾💯

[@Lexisdad216]

The oneToriyama created t-shirts Mike run w it bro

[@ungido30]

the most likely reason is that Toriyama simply forgets about power continuity and doesn't take his math seriously

[@Fred63205]

😳 Plague of gripes on laughing stock media?! 🤯

[@Soadaa5656]

Love this collab!

[@DarthNoshitam]

This also supports why rocks and things start to float when people power up

[@herohut725]

I think Goku and those who lose their shirts in the fights use their ki to prevent their pants from ripping off. Since they seem to last longer then their shirts.

[@SamsarasArt]

Yo Plague is in this video? That's dope. I like the way he thinks.

[@MegaMachiOnline]

Ki + Body + Right-mindedness = Battle Power goes kinda crazy in the samey Spiritual, Physical, Mental camp with emotions stirring the pot

[@BiggieCheeseJr.]

Going on week 3 without an LSM Mike Livestream, withdrawal symptoms are starting to take their toll. I don't know how much longer I can take it.

[@MJM_23]

To further the point about Vegeta training with trunks, Vegeta is cutting off his aura, while trunks has a full aura allowing him to move. This just proves what you guys are saying there much more and easier.

[@alexanderkesterson6338]

People don't understand how bonkers 100x earths gravity is, the surface of the sun is only 28x earths gravity and it holds our solar system together

[@weeaboo-warrior]

They ki field theory is interesting, but it gets debunked by Vegeta not being able to lift Magetta who would be outside his ki field.

[@kalevipoeg6916]

People misunderstand the effects of high G's on the body. It's not ABOUT how much more the characters weigh - these guys routinely punch through mountains like they're not there, which is imparting WAY more power than you'd need to simply lift 300x your own bod;y weight - THAT's not the issue. The ISSUE with high G's is that it really doesn't MATTER how strong your muscles are - everything ELSE is getting 300 times the pull as well including the cells in your blood, your skin, your brain, EVERYTHING is massively stressed way beyond normal limits. Human beings can physically, with a lot of weight training, physically lift 2 or 3 times their body weight for a very strong man BUT take the strongest man in the world and put him under 3x gravity for extended periods of time and he will die - that's because his heart has to work 3x harder to get blood to his brain and the rest of his body and all the cells in his body are experiencing constant G forces beyond what they evolved to handle. It's why if a race of aliens came from a plant vegeta like place and it had 10x earth's gravity, they'd very likely be very sort and sturdy little guys - less distance for the blood to travel with thicker, sturdier bones and muscles to cope with that environment. They'd likely not be very intelligent, with plantlife and animals also being short and stocky - not much nutrients to be found - and because the challenge of pumping blood to their brain. A species from a 10x gravity planet would be default look VERY different from humans in reality because no matter how hard you worked out, the human form just isn't built to cope with that. So, when they train at 300x earth's gravity it isn't about the weight so much as the constant stress on every cell in the body and the internal organs. Hard to pump blood to your muscles to RESIST the weight too when your body has to work hundreds of times harder to DO that. In reality, a human can experience about 3 to 8 G's before blacking out - but only for very short times. If a human pilot pulls a 3G maneuver it's fine, but if he STAYS at 3G he's dead very fast. 300 G's would not be physically the same as strapping 300x your body weight on you and supporting that - it impacts you on a CELLULAR LEVEL. All the blood in your body wants to pool in your legs if you're standing up, making it very hard to function or move even if you wanted to. By comparison, when it was just WEIGHT added, Goku handled 40 tons (on top of the fact he was standing on a kai's much higher gravity world so functionally that's at least 400 tons) quite easily despite the extra G forces on his body from living on the kai planet. That's about 5,700 times his canon body weight, if memory serves - plus, again, the high gravity world pulling on his blood in his body and making it harder to function by orders of magnitude. With just basic SSJ he said it was "too easy" even then, somewhat of a challenge at base (he's now billions of times stronger if not more in super, mind you). Just keep that in mind. WEIGHT they can handle. It's the OTHER effects on the body that make it hard.

[@oscarc4589]

Love the thumb nail

[@BasementDweller_]

Well you see it works by making your body feel very heavy. So moving around is already a work out, on top of the work outs you do.

[@GeteMachine]

My question is, why doesnt the series introduce any more new types of training like this anymore? Because in Super, they just rely on the ROST or that other characters just make copies of it. Whis does in the anime, and Freeza just finds his own in the manga.. somehow. I really think they could be more creative again with more unique training methods.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

because the TOEI staff writing Super was very apathetic & ToyoTaro is just doing that Shonen pitfall of "I gotta overexplain my mechanics to sound smart, instead of just letting my readers fill in the gaps"

[@marcelomunhozdarocha5358]

It's like lifting weights! Progressive overload

[@CJ-111]

If you think about it, Frieza using telekinesis could be him manipulating the ki around him to counter gravity.

[@CJ-111]

And if you think about it, Guku tells Vegeta that just torturing your body isn't the most effective way to train.

[@CJ-111]

#blurrymike

[@yournumberonepal]

As a fun plot device and excuse. 😂

[@KoolKatBeatz]

Can you cover beam struggles... or is a 3way fusion possible??

[@yvonnecox7534]

gotta go with the time chamber but at least gravity training is better than just training on the earth

[@bishopclarke3295]

Ive missed you LSM 😩

[@DigitalWraith]

I think it's a combination of ki and physical strength. Because if not, why bother with physical training at all when meditation could make them stronger?

[@rockvent918]

This video brings a question to me that never ocurred before how is even possible that 16 could ne that strong( as string as 1 form full power cell stronger than piccolo and be a robot at the same time? Was because of the material dr gero used or does the enegy power core that he possessed emulated the protection ki gave to living beings?

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

I wonder what's the max they could go up too for gravity training

[@sumedhbodade5104]

I also wonder about that I think in dragon ball gravity room create by dr. Brief have maximum capacity of 400 times and they can updated to increase more but they are not going do that.

[@Artista_Frustrado]

oh you guys meant the actual mechanics, i thought y'all mean in the Narrative sense of "we need a way to shuffle up the Kayfabe & something as absurd as 100x Gravity is a ridiculous enough way that it auto-suspends Disbelief" my headcanon on the mechanics is that Saiyans use the Zenkai boost to exploit Gravity crushing their every bone into juice & then healing back up

[@Artista_Frustrado]

oh, that was in the manga; then yeah I'm glad i caught that from just watching the anime

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

And only Vegeta & Goku had use it for someone reason and no one else, unless you want to count Yamcha & Kid Trunks

[@natahndolar2142]

The Saiyans can naturally handle multiple times gravity way better than earthlings because their home planet’s gravity is 10x that on earth as stated by King Kai to Goku about how quickly he could adapt to his own planet’s 10x gravity compared to earth. I’m pretty sure kid Trunks trained in it once but other than that most of the other fighters won’t be able to train effectively.

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@natahndolar2142 considering Piccolo Jr, Tienshinhan, Yamcha & Chiaotzu train on king kai's they could handle it they just don't have zenkai boost to exploit

[@Artista_Frustrado]

because only Vegeta & Goku have the FF2 style of leveling up by almost dying then Spaming Heals, so humans don't really get the exploit thus making Gravity training a diminishing return

[@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD]

@@Artista_Frustrado any training is good training, and it's called Zenkai Boost

[@Artista_Frustrado]

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD nah, there is such thing as Bad Training & at best it ends on just your body readjusting back, and at works in complete loss of mobility & yeah but that translates to "the Goku & Vegeta plot armor that let's them be as strong as the current story arc needs because Power levels are a lie & Dragon Ball is an adventure manga made by a Gag-Comedy Writer"

[@TheCbjunkie]

Vegeata was above 20000 when he fought qui cause zenkai boost

[@robertlee9602]

No Yamchas allowed.

[@timmaltby7798]

Since this is anime fantasy and sci-fi fiction we can enjoy it for what it is. But I would not recommend spending long amounts of time in a high Geforce environment. Once you hit about 6 G's after 10 minutes you're brain will start hemorrhaging. Also your organs would be constricted and smothered especially your heart.

[@timothyfrasier8218]

Apparently full power Frieza was 100,000 times stronger than Raditz when we first met Raditz.

[@Dr.Thomas_Elliot]

23:11 my favorite part. How did over 9000 ever become more popular than what was actually stated? Was it just how they chose to do it in the dub? Or translation issues?

[@kwuancolbert213]

When DBZ first came to America, as I remember, there was the Ocean Dub. It was done by a production company based in Canada, IF I'm not mistaken. The Ocean Dub started the infamous "It's over 9000!" quote. I do think it was a mistake and every other Dub fixed it.

[@Dr.Thomas_Elliot]

@@kwuancolbert213 thanks

[@dreamcream3738]

The reason it was dubbed as 9000 rather than 8000 wasn't a translation error, but rather it was a conscious decision to make the lip flaps mesh better. Brian Drummond's delivery also made it far more of a meme.

[@jobdylan5782]

It's popular because it's funny

[@marquisjackson474]

Did yajorubi train Goku!?

[@BiggieCheeseJr.]

1st hour gang 👇

[@thebestcakegoku7346]

im the 400th like

[@picsl8ed867]

Not trying to be a jerk, but "how I think it works" is basically it doesn't. Toriyama has said before he doesn't think about any of this stuff and just makes it up as he goes along. So canonically speaking, it's all nonsense. That said, it's always weirdly interesting to listen to people talk about an IP while being so much more invested in it than even its own creator.

[@bigoistin9125]

They know

[@CPhelps1247]

Mike’s been looking so fkn hot these last couple of videos, I’m considering switching teams.