How EGOS & MANAGEMENT DESTROYED Bad English (When I See You Smile)

[@rnrtruestories]

What other topics do you want to see me cover? Here’s the Aerosmith video I reference kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4DOh3SoZqhsh5Ysi=Pfyk7YChRZC3NHux

[@KassiusFineArt]

Unicorn. Gypsy. Heartsfield. Brian Protheroe. Mama's Pride. Missouri. Robin Trower.

[@bobthebear1246]

Neal Schon's next band, Hardline.

[@WineSippingCowboy]

The Storm. This is the other spinoff of Journey. 1991 was the end of Bad English for albums. Their last concert was in 1992. Meanwhile, the debit of The Storm was also in 1991.

[@ashleygeisler1003]

I would like you to see a show about the FAKE Fleetwood mac that happened around 73-74

[@scottfreedom9845]

@@bobthebear1246I was just going to suggest them.

[@EJH-jn6mo]

What a shock: someone finding Schon to be difficult.

[@Dave_Wight_The_Rock_Oracle]

the consummate bag

[@magnuswettermark8293]

Haha...exactly😂

[@Randy.E.R]

Bad English came out at a good time in my life, around 1987 and 1988. I was 23 years old, married for 5 years (Yes I was married in high school), and raising my young family while working as a mechanic at the local Ford dealership. We didn't have any money, and there wasn't much to do in our little town in the middle of the Mojave Desert. Our only entertainment was having friends over to play darts or dominos with the stereo tuned in to Pirate Radio. If you don't remember Pirate Radio, you are either too young or you didn't live in Southern California. Bad English got a lot of airplay on Pirate Radio, as did another supergroup Damn Yankees. Sadly, Bad English and Pirate Radio both kind of disappeared, but left me with some good memories. All our friends kind of moved on too. The only thing I still have left through all of that is my wife of nearly 42 years and our daughter. And that's what matters

[@70robbie]

Great post Brother. God bless.

[@johnsmith-ug5tp]

Yeah, I hear ya. In CT. When I See You Smile was in heavy rotation on the radio in the summer of 1990.I was 24 and I met and fell in love with a beautiful 24 yo girl with a smokin bod. It was always on the radio when we were cruising in my 1988 IROC Z. When I hear the song it always takes me back to when we began dating and fell in love. Sadly, unlike your long run, we crashed and burned 3 years later due to her constant drinking.

[@arthurmorato4527]

Pirate radio was awesome

[@gwts1171]

The Babys were one of the best bands of the late 70s/early 80s. I like both of the Bad English albums. They're nothing groundbreaking, but they were good for what they were.

[@jefferysteen1041]

I love The Babys!Head First is my personal favorite!

[@JefferyHagen]

Midnight Rendezvous too.

[@BATMAN7666]

Ahh Kurt Loader. I miss MTV as a MUSIC Channel

[@rnrtruestories]

Agreed he’s on reason tv these days isn’t he?

[@BATMAN7666]

I know he is on Sirius doing a pod called True Stories

[@bartmix8994]

Kurt has a Loader in his pants is awful and smug.

[@merrywissemes]

Can you believe Kurt is almost 80 as of 11/18/24?

[@jamesgullo8240]

@@merrywissemes Wow. I did not know. I still remember being 21 when MTV came on, and how excited we all were. Didnt really seem that long ago.

[@chrisvsevil9790]

Bad English was an excellent band, both albums are very good. I was lucky enough to buy a Riaa Platinum album award for The album Bad English and in 2005 have John Waite Sign it, he looked and it and said something like “Oh, wow” and thought It was originally for me, I told him that I bought it on eBay, he signed a few things for me too. I met him one more time a few years later, he offered to sign every cd cover I bought with me, but I asked him which one he loved most and he said “Temple Bar” so I had him sign that one. He was always nice and very genuine, as were Luis Moldanado, Tim Hogan and Rondo.

[@Ian_KH]

It's so refreshing to hear a commentary that is a real voice and not AI.

[@mtnstpt]

Fast Story, I was NYPD maybe 1993, Jon Waite lived in Manhattan I would see him often, talk to him a terrific nice guy. One day I asked him when is the next Bad English Album he said "THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN" I said why you guys had cpl of big hits, he smiled said "THANKS, But cpl of those guys are tough to deal with, I said WHAT THE GUYS FROM JOURNEY ARE DICKS" lol he just said , 'You said it not me" I met him a lot, good dude.

[@rnrtruestories]

Haha thanks for sharing.

[@patton303]

Deen Castronovo is a beast. I became aware of him on Tony Macalpine’s Maximum Security album and have been a fan ever since.

[@brianshaffneraclc]

Not only a fantastic drummer, but can also do credible Steve Perry vocals while pounding the kit. He was really the MVP on the Journey through time tour. I'm just sorry we didn't get some new music from him, Schon, and Rolie.

[@ralphashford9022]

@@brianshaffneraclc His vocals for Revolution Saints gives me chills!

[@Meatball2022]

@@brianshaffneraclche filled in for night ranger for a while as well. Singing and drumming. Not many can do that.

[@carleysdad94]

It's unfortunate he (Deen) likes to beat on women.

[@peevee605]

Me too.

[@paulstephenson7503]

John Waite put it better than any critic in his own documentary when he quoted from his old school report: “ John doesn’t play well in groups”.

[@rEdf196]

I was 15 years old when The Baby's Every Time I Think Of You was high on the charts in the summer of 1979. To my ears it sounded so 1969

[@jaydoubleu3419]

My fav song by the baby’s is back on my feet again

[@rzrbckmz23]

Me too! That should have been a huge hit but peaked in the low 30's early in 1980. Great album also.

[@gordonmills2748]

I was helping a buddy DJ a wedding for a mutual friend, and the couple had heard this brand new song on the radio and wanted to use it as their first dance. My buddy left between the wedding and the reception and had to go to three record stores to find the song since it was so new. The song was "When I See You Smile." It was the perfect song at the time.

[@33drummerr]

Those two Bad English albums are absolutely awesome! There isn’t a bad song on either album! Wish they could’ve hashed out their differences and made more music but that’s life I guess!!

[@davidgalinat4257]

I remember that first album being pretty big in '89-'90.

[@rnrtruestories]

i'm actually shockd for the number of hot 100 hits they had, that they didn't sell more copies of the record.

[@MichaelCarper]

Neil Schon is the only rocker with a bigger ego than Brad Gillis.

[@mattbaker6132]

Never heard anything like that about Gillis

[@craigrock8444]

I think Hardline, especially Hot Cherie, was pretty cool too!

[@rayfabris2512]

I seen them once their singer was really good I have the CD but Neal did a cool guitar solo in the middle he played the intro Wheel in the Sky that was cool I'm not a journey fan but their 1st album with Steve Perry was cool

[@craigrock8444]

@ right on man!!

[@rayfabris2512]

@craigrock8444 I'll never stop Rockin I seen Sammy in 79 I was 14 after that I told my dad I wanted to play guitar so he got me a pos strat copy thinking in a couple months it would just collect dust no it didn't I got better guitars as time went on and now I play a Gibson les paul standard with a cherry burst flame maple top great guitar and a Marshall amp so I'm still Rockin but I couldn't play the last month I sleeped on my arm wrong and it damaged a nerve it is call wrist drop and it fkn sucks it takes about 3 months to heal but every 3 days I see a improvement I couldn't play anything at first and about 3 days I can play a few more chords it has been a month and now I can lift a 2 lbs wieght I couldn't do that for the first month that's how bad it sucks but I can tell the nerve is healing just not fast enough wrist drop is the worst thing to have if you play guitar I've never heard of it before but in the beginning it's almost feels like you're have a stroke the symptoms are similar the Dr told me most people mistake for a stroke so I hope it doesn't happen again anyway didn't mean to carry on so long so have a good day AND ROCK ON

[@craigrock8444]

@ Hell yes bro!! I’m still Rocking too!! Lead vocals in a band called Damaged!! I’m 55 and still belting out AC/DC, Quiet Riot, Ozzy and many more!! Never Stop Rockin!! Rock On Man!!

[@rayfabris2512]

@craigrock8444 what area do you play ? sounds cool btw did you see the documentary of the AC/DC cover band the singer does Bon Scott and Brian Johnson it crazy but they are a good cover band it's called '"my stupid cover band" it's on KZbin great story

[@tw5139]

Neil Schon and Jonathan Cain sat down and Steve Perry wanted to retire and these two nitwits thought "We'll just go on and get a new singer." They were and are to this day in denial about how lucky they were to have Steve Perry in that band, without him they would've been REO Speedwagon 2.0.

[@magnuswettermark8293]

They cant think. The ego's has destroyed them.

[@saj8]

The clock was ticking on Bad English before the album even dropped. When I See You Smile delayed that time bomb.

[@jtoland2333]

Bad English was dysfunctional, Journey was and is dysfunctional, the common denominator is……?

[@rnrtruestories]

That's a great question.

[@remoevans7847]

I’ll take Jonathan Cain for $1000 Alex.

[@RichardGraham-y7k]

I was lucky enough to see them live when they played the college arena in my hometown. John and Neal played "Missing You' with a clean Tele and it was pretty magical.

[@detroitdiezel7856]

What's a "clean Tele"?

[@RichardGraham-y7k]

@detroitdiezel7856 No overdrive or distortion. Basically strummed it like an acoustic.

[@utp216]

I saw Bad English opening for Whitesnake at the Baltimore Arena. They were awesome and Whitesnake blew the top off the place!

[@peevee605]

Those kind of concerts are rare these days.

[@markvanderstelt8999]

i remember seeing you there .

[@yvettevitacaponigro]

Thank you for sharing this story with us! ✌🏼😊

[@rnrtruestories]

My pleasure!!

[@yvettevitacaponigro]

@ 👍🏻😊

[@markjastrzebski2065]

How funny that when the video title says ego, the thumbnail show Neil Schon. I’ll bet this isn’t the only video like this

[@ChorusArtists]

As always, a very thorough and insightful look at a band that sold some records (I was in the biz at the time) but in the end was a record co. product, that didn't do much to legitimize them despite decent songs (aside from Smile). Waite was a great singer, and that carried them live, but their end came naturally at the end of that era. That kind of corp rock was resented by rock fans by 1991.

[@rzrbckmz23]

As a huge Babys and John Waite fan I was really happy when Bad English formed. The first album got a lot of airplay and was pretty well received even with the requisite ballad "When I See You Smile" written by Dane Warren. I liked the second album just as much as the first one as it didn't have any filler songs. 10 pretty darn good melodic rock songs but it received no promotion, the band had broken up and grunge was about to take over the music scene. It had no chance of success. IMO Waite is one of the all time great rock singers and I continue to buy anything he releases and have seen him in concert several times. I wish he would have joined The Babys reunion but that's just not him. He marches to the beat of his own mind and likes being solo. Thanks for the video.

[@steveinmidtown]

to all dudes...never ever get any facial plastic surgery...ever

[@christian19701]

a few suggestions.. Lynch Mob, Fine Young Cannibals, Joy White, the Iguanas, Robie Nevil, and Vallejo. Your content is phenomenal. Plz keep up the good work 💯

[@rnrtruestories]

Thank you!

[@whaguitars]

Yes Fine Young Cannibals!

[@eightiesmusic1984]

@@whaguitars Blue by FYC is the best denunciation of Thatcherism the ideology that destroyed Britain and America under Thatcher and Reagan I have heard. Not surprisingly, it did not receive much airplay in the UK.

[@groovekingmuzz2699]

Do an episode on what happened to "GTR"...One and done....1986...Great Content,great job.

[@rnrtruestories]

Thanks

[@jamestejada3673]

Saw that tour.Saw Hackett solo.prior and after.

[@kevgret]

Either way both those bad englsh records are MONSTER and get played a bunch in my house to this day

[@paulam408]

John Waite is one of the best singers I've ever heard. I saw them in a concert in the early 90's. I bought both of their CD's (probably cassettes) & thought they didn't get the recognition they deserved.

[@mrptree80]

Great story like always. I would love to see a video about Bang Tango. They had some good tunes and never got the credit that they deserved.

[@peterm4486]

Loved Bad English!

[@AlJohnsGuitar]

Dude, that when i see you smile song, when it came on the radio, everyone would stop and listen. I was young, but i remember that tag.

[@sunsin1592]

My parents loved the Babys and got me into them when I was young. I then enjoyed John Waite's solo stuff and loved the first Bad English album. The second is far weaker, but has a couple good tracks, like "Time Stood Still." Saw John Waite solo a few years ago and he was fantastic. Will always be a fan.

[@kimleone5496]

Still love 'best of what i got'

[@markthatcher4853]

Great video ❤

[@rnrtruestories]

Thank you!!

[@MAX_BRENDO]

My first.concert was Journey in the early 80s And uve always loved the babys. I still listen to both often. John whaite just played a smaller venue by ne earlier this month. Perry and whaite have great voices.

[@RanterInShades]

Anything Neal Schon touches is gold imo

[@EJH-jn6mo]

Really? Gold would imply immense success. Schon has put out a lot of albums since Steve Perry - none of those albums were immense successes. I can’t even think of one Journey song since Perry left. Don’t get me wrong, he’s an amazing guitarist but cannot say anything he touches is gold.

[@possumwerx]

You cannot think of a single Journey song that's good since Steve Perry left?!? I'll start with the first album "Arrival". If you can't find a single awesome song on that album then you need to seriously pull your head out of your backside!

[@Thisistheway2050]

Unfortunately his ego makes him think the same. And then it destroys any band momentum in the end.

[@Sighlense]

​@@possumwerxdude, NOTHING on Arrival is "awesome". 😂

[@possumwerx]

Higher Place, Nothin Comes Close, We Will Meet Again. You just got schooled son! 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@CarrieV9]

I saw Bad English at First Avenue. Great show but John Waite was so skinny and looked so sick. I remember his band mates looking at him like, “you OK, dude?”

[@andrewpinner3181]

Thanks RRTS, l really dug their song 'Forget Me Not' !

[@bryanmcdermott4204]

Bad English was fantastic. Backlash is a really good overlooked album.

[@ScottSherman-wc6yh]

When The Baby’s first formed they did a radio promo show with a young Billy Squier in Rochester , NY for 99 cents. I was in the area at the time , thought about going but didn’t . I haven’t slept since ……….

[@SonnyGTA]

3:01 WA WA WEE WOW!!!! MAMMA MIA!!!!!!

[@dwells37]

I've always loved Price Of Love and Possession much more than When I See You Smile.

[@robertmclellan9678]

Standing on the Edge of the World was a solid track from 2nd album

[@dwells37]

@robertmclellan9678 it is. I love the first three songs in particular.

[@VH5150-q8e]

Same 😊

[@whaguitars]

I love Straight to Your Heart! That guitar is sick!

[@VH5150-q8e]

"Heaven is a four letter word" freaking rocks!

[@davidbradley9204]

Hard Line "Hot Cherie" featuring Schon is a great song and video!

[@devinjeffrey275]

Saw them live at The Coach House Freakin Epic!

[@ranger5281]

The Baby's "Midnight Rendezvous" is their rockin' best. Wally Stocker kicks butt on rhythm guitar, and John's great vocals as usual.

[@DanEvans-v8j]

This band is one of the few that I liked the whole album. Usually, there's a filler song, but I like the whole album. Both of them.

[@foxbodyblues6709]

Saw Bad English open for Whitesnake in Feb of 1990 at San Diego sports arena

[@rnrtruestories]

That's awesome! How was the show?

[@markvanderstelt8999]

i thought that was you at that show

[@foxbodyblues6709]

How could it be bad? I guess my fav part was seeing the Flying Dutchman, Adrian Vandenberg AND the wizard Steve Vai and their own 10 minute guitar solos! Bad English had a track in the charts (Best of what I got) from that cop movie with Sly Stallone/Kurt Russell called Tango & Cash and I had just seen that movie over the Christmas 89 Holiday.

[@timmoore8773]

Man, I miss the late 80s era. The absolute best time for music.

[@GuitarAnthony]

I remember the story for the second album Backlash that Waite would go into the studio and change the levels to his liking then later Schon would go in and do the same. Guess Waite won in the end but he was the last one standing.

[@harvey3rdman464]

@6:02 I just happened upon this today. 11/15/24 Interesting it mentions him. Have a safe trip home, Pete.

[@ericgoss5223]

Diane Warren's massive success as a songwriter is baffling. At best, she approaches competence.

[@Lynchfan88]

At the 6:43 mark there a clip from the Bad English vid for 'When I See You Smile' and Schon is playing left handed which is extremely odd since he plays right handed. Not sure if anyone else caught that.

[@justinwhite9689]

I like Backlash its a decent album

[@chrisvsevil9790]

Agreed!

[@paulstephenson7503]

Straight To Your heart would have been a big hit if they hadn’t broken up and had more record label support

[@eightiesmusic1984]

@@paulstephenson7503 It is an amazing song.

[@666923dave]

A few years ago John Waite was asked if he has ever considered working again with Jonathan Cain his only answer was "no chance in hell"

[@andrewfischer8564]

i saw the babys at madsion square garden. they opened for styx? feb 1980.. they had a couple of songs on the radio

[@carleysdad94]

Correction: Journey's Trial By Fire album was released in 1996, not 1995.

[@allanvanuga9196]

Great video.

[@mikeivey8169]

Always liked Forget Me Not from the first album

[@Heavenly.Harlot]

Just looked up Diane Warren. She's easily one of the best female music writers to ever live.

[@rnrtruestories]

Very accomplished

[@twistoffate4791]

She's legendary all on her own. I wish I was DW.

[@Heavenly.Harlot]

@twistoffate4791 No she wasn't. She wrote for others and in that, she's stellar. From Ace of Bass to Brandy.

[@anakina1]

She is a great songwriter, male or female.

[@Heavenly.Harlot]

@anakina1 No. For that side of the sex, she's on par with Parton.

[@RobertNoone-u7r]

I seen them in concert when I was 17 in a theater and they were good.Neal Shon stood out.loved Forget Me Not and still do but even back then their other songs became cheesey more s as time has gone by.Bad Journey band ,one sappy song after another.

[@MisledDan]

No mention of Hardline and their epic debut album that Neal and Deen were a part of?

[@vpdisco]

Another case of a band leading with a power ballad that’s a hit. But it doesn't rock like we rock so we hate that song. Sure guys, sure. 🙄

[@buckster2575]

I think forget me not was the first single.

[@karlshuler1011]

It was​@@buckster2575

[@gregmanca1474]

Yeah I think you are right- it was Forget me not

[@JefferyHagen]

😂yup.

[@Ralph-em8xh]

Great video dude. I'm pert near 64 will be in 11 days. I listened to Journey and the Baby's, that one courtesy of my gf, back in the day. I have several Journy albums on all media. 8 track tape, Cassette tape, CD, VHS. I saw the Escape tour which is the one in the live videos you see of Journey back in the day. I tried to record the live concert MTV aired on a Saturday night but somehow like with the old tech the voice and sounds are a bit off. They finally put it out on tape and dvd etc. I recorded lots of those Saturday night concerts as it was pretty much our only way of seeing bands live outside of concerts. I saw countless bands. We never thought about the bands' history or anything as none of that info as available. We only had MTV and rock magazines which never talked about this stuff. I moved on from Journey when they started swapping members out like the bass player. Thanks for the great info and research and presenting the info in the right amount of time. Not too long or too short.

[@rnrtruestories]

Thank you

[@hakimanhafiz]

I like his voice

[@greggrant502]

Good story, wondered what happened to them

[@satansalley6526]

Good vid.hanx.

[@WilliamBeaver-tb9nt]

I already knew they weren't going to last

[@TailsSP]

It's 'Stephen' not Steven. The Babys ended in December 1980 after John Waite was injured on stage; and the band was in debt. By January 1981, Jonathan Cain was part of Journey.

[@tomjohnson4922]

wow... took me a moment but I remember Bad English. It's interesting but has any "supergroup" starting with Cream lasted beyond two albums?

[@rnrtruestories]

Audioslave had three records

[@tomjohnson4922]

@@rnrtruestories now that I think of it, didn't Asia have a third? So, there were two bands? I think ego after a time just gets in the way.

[@amandaburk4641]

Technically, Journey’s original lineup was a supergroup. The original lineup made up of Neal Schon and Gregg Rolie ( Santana) Ross Valory ( Steve Miller Band & Frumious Bandersnach) George Tickner ( Frumious Bandersnach) Prairie Prince ( The Tubes) . Although Prairie Prince was quickly replaced with Ansley Dunbar ( David Bowie and Frank Zappa) and George Tickner left leaving the band with just Schon playing guitar. Other bands like Led Zeppelin also were considered a supergroup. When the members of these kinda groups became wildly successful people tend to forget their former group. Zeppelin is a great example. You hear Jimmy page you think Zeppelin not Yardbirds. Same with Schon you think Journey not Santana, and likely it’s the same for Gregg Rolie too.

[@orcapodmedia]

These bands paved the way for bands like Alice In Chains and Soundgarden.

[@karlshuler1011]

The Baby's were a great band. Bad English could have been a great band. Just like Damn Yankees. But too be honest, I don't think Jonathan and Neal's egos could work with anyone. Both can hardly get their heads in a doorway.

[@briancooper2112]

Ah the 80's.

[@reymondgopog426]

0:11 the day the mullet rule the world 😂

[@paddyodriscoll8648]

You have no idea what a mullet is, huh?

[@reymondgopog426]

@paddyodriscoll8648 why so serious bro? I was born in the 80s. Grew up in the 80s. Of course I know what a mullet is. I had one. Come on man. Did my comment insult you? Well I am sorry man.

[@mikestroud9969]

They All have Big Egos come with the Territory. A lot of times a woman comes in the picture and can make things worse 😢. Example. White Snake. And Selenas manager. Uggh. I met Neal Schon years ago in the 80s. He was cool and down to Earth. But I don't know him personally 😊

[@MikeJBlues]

Head first was a great song from the baby's

[@csnide6702]

they were good - I liked them.

[@jonldavis]

When I See You Smile is probably their best song and I always considered these guys more AOR than Hard Rock so what's the problem. Did they want to sound heavier?

[@rnrtruestories]

It honestly sounded like from interviews they did

[@surveyordave]

Imagine being criticized for writing songs like "Don't Stop Believin'".

[@rnrtruestories]

Yeah it’s crazy some people don’t like commercially successful bands. I love the song

[@WineSippingCowboy]

John Waite used the song title Every Time I Think of You for the song Missing You, writing it with Chas Sanford and Mark Leonard. 40 years 🎂 since the release of the song. The other spinoff of Journey was The Storm. Journey members Greg Rolie and Ross Valory formed that group. RIP Mark Spiro, 2024. He was co-writer of Forget Me Not and Straight to Your Heart. There was a singer named Jon English. He was from Australia 🇦🇺. He has a son, Junior. He married a singer named Christie Lamb 🐑. They get a kick out of the nane Bad English: that could mean that Christie English is Good English! L 🤣 L On the 2nd album Backlash, Diane Warren, John Waite and Jonathan Cain wrote The Time Alone With You. I like that ballad. Yet, my favorite song from that album is Straight to Your Heart. Bob Rock or the late Bryce Fairbairn would have been better producers for backlash. But, they were busy with other musicians in 1991.

[@raychapa4257]

Journey , Styx , John Wait Babys, Ted Nugent

[@detroitdiezel7856]

So did John Waite ever meet Patty Hearst?

[@DavidBrothers-j2o]

Man for a great guitarist Neal Schon was involved in a lot of crap

[@beezysbeatz4924]

I guess Steve wasn't the problem. Jonathan is the common denominator in the destruction of 2 great bands and I don't care how much that other guy sounds like Steve Perry that ain't journey

[@trendmassacre8423]

Journey is Journey, Steve Perry hasn't been with them for over 25 years now and people such as yourself should really get over it and stop complaining. Steve isn't coming back and Journey moved on without him, yeah I do agree they did him dirty with how they went about it but no one said Neal and Jonathan are smart.

[@bobthebear1246]

Don't forget Neal Schon, too. He's a major drama queen.

[@adamcoffeypromo]

I don’t think Steve Perry and John Waite are particularly easy to get on with either

[@possumwerx]

@trendmassacre8423. And the truth is that even the most hardcore Journey fans wouldn't want Steve Perry back at this juncture in time anyway. Why not? Because he is not even remotely close to the singer he was 24 years ago at the turn of the millennium. I'm not putting the man down because I greatly appreciate what he did in the past with his music. But the bottom line is, he doesn't have the vocal power or ability he used to have. That's just age for you and there's no way around it. If he attempted to do Journey the way he did even up to Trial By Fire, he would just simply embarrass himself. I say leave the man alone and let him enjoy his retirement years. Be thankful for the music that we have and have had in the past. Again, leave him alone to live his life in peace and be thankful for the music that he brought into the world.

[@josephharris1869]

I thought bad English made a couple great records for the time- I loved when Neil went on to do Hardline- that record n band was Bad-Ass. :)

[@GeorgeSawtooth]

Would rather listen to Revolution Saints over Journey or Bad English.

[@barrybjerke9353]

...oh no no no just you Waite☝️just a minute there Loader (Bad English) second album was Fantastic!! Theu punched every artificial Billboard bubble pop soda song that year and SMACKED em' HARD! right in the FACE!

[@MidnitePerdue]

ROLLING STONE MAYGAZINE. SPIN MAYGAZINE.

[@alexanderpowell1528]

How could that member of the band announce the band had broken up in 1991 on his website in 1991 when websites didn't exist in 1991 ? Dumb blah blah.

[@broeheemed32]

"I miss the 'edge' and rock-and-roll". - Jonathan Cain LOL The arrival of Cain signaled the beginning of the end for Journey. With Greg Rolie, Journey had groove and 'edge' and wrote some kickass songs. When he was replaced with Cain, they turned into a ballad-driven vibrator music band, just like when Chicago lost Terry Kath. Let's tell the truth...... Cain killed Journey.

[@possumwerx]

Odd. To me, when Jonathan Cain joined the band, that's when they took it up a notch to the next level.

[@allynemoura8]

@@possumwerx The albums were more successful, but far from having the quality of infinity. The band became more "Pop"

[@possumwerx]

To me, they just kept evolving as a band out of the seventies with the 70s style of rock into the 80s which was the era of arena rock. I think the big driving factor was the advancement of technology. Once music went digital and ended up going on to computers via midi technology then it was all over with. Tape fell by the wayside and the ability to program in whatever sound you wanted made all the difference in the world. That's why we got an explosion of sound from wave to new wave to emo etc etc etc. Rock, hard rock and metal certainly weren't immune to the advances in technology. I greatly appreciated the melodic, clean guitar sound that evolved and became standard. At least until grunge hit, otherwise known as the era of anger music. That's when players got very sloppy and non-melodic.

[@johndunham2237]

Don’t forget turn around in Tokyo

[@caged-melody]

RIP Pete Snifield

[@bobthebear1246]

You meant 1995 at the end there, not 1985. I had _Bad English._ There were some strong songs on the album, especially "Forget Me Not" and "Best Of What I Got," but the problem was that this was supposed to be Neal Schon's time to really shine, as the Journey of the mid-80s didn't give him as much opportunity to do so as their earlier stuff did. However, the first album really didn't do that. I mean, Bad English was a decidedly Hard Rock band, and they literally gave him not much opportunity to do the kind of guitar solos that he used to do in Journey going right up through the _Escape_ album. Even the song "Forget Me Not" sets us up for what was promising to be an epic guitar solo, only to be cut-off at about the 20-second mark. Talk about the biggest missed opportunity in the world right there. 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️ Bad English had great Hard Rock instincts but, unfortunately, never had the courage nor conviction to go all the way with them. That's why they turned-out to be a mediocre band that should have been so much more, considering the talents of everyone involved. At least Neal Schon took Deen Castronovo along with him to FINALLY form Hardline, the Heavy Metal band he always wanted to form, before eventually taking him along to a reformed Journey. Come to think of it, can you please do a show on Hardline? They were like Bon Jovi, only harder and heavier, and had 2 great songs from their 1992 debut album, "Life's A Bitch" and an unexpected Metal cover of the 1983 minor Danny Spanos hit "Hot Cherie," which was yet another example of a cover being better than the original (although I liked the original as well). But yeah, definitely do a show on Hardline. A lot of us would love to see it.

[@rnrtruestories]

Thought I said 1995

[@shawnuel]

Journey didn’t really write slick, commercial hits until Cain joined the group. He sucked the grit right out of the band.

[@steveinmidtown]

I hated "When I See You Smile" so much I called it "When I Hear You Fart"

[@krisscanlon4051]

Should of just called it Journey...rebrand it. Keep Waite Valory and Smith and those scarab ships! Hell do Bad English as well...two groups! Seems easier now...

[@aneyesky]

J. Cain is genuinely nice to regular nobodies