How 'Enhancement Chips' Pushed The Limits of The Super NES (and Sometimes Didn't)

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Sharopolis

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Right from the start the Super NES was enlarge, engorged, emboldened by enhancement chips and I'm doing to be taking a look at how these addons made some of the SNES's best games possible and sometimes didn't seem to do anything at all.
Games featured and index:
00:00 Intro
00:34 Super Mario Kart
01:20 F-Zero
01:30 Street Racer
05:48 Battle Racers
06:04 Shutokō Battle 2
06:18 Aim For the Ace
06:43 Dungeon Master and Eye of the Beholder
07:05 Mega Man X Games
07:37 Star Fox
08:14 Vortex
12:30 Dirt Trax FX
12:47 Stunt Race FX normal
13:00 Stunt Race FX overclocked (yeah I know it hardly looks any different here, but honestly it's better)
13:25 Doom
13:59 Winter Gold
14:26 Star Fox 2
16:56 Yoshi's Island
22:59 Super Mario RPG
23:06 Super Road Blaster
23:16 F1 ROC II
23:35 Patreon thanks and ending waffle

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@Zyphon
@Zyphon 2 жыл бұрын
I like the subtlety in the way Yoshi's Island uses the enhancement chips. Goes to show how sometimes small details can go a long way in the overall presentation
@STICKOMEDIA
@STICKOMEDIA 6 ай бұрын
Fr it's so beautiful to look at
@dan_loup
@dan_loup 2 жыл бұрын
Megaman X2 and X3 have a lot less slowdown than X1 because they offload the physics and sprite setup to the Cx4. That first giant boss of Megaman X2 for example use literally every single sprite of the system to draw the head/arms without missing a frame.
@bobbybrown2990
@bobbybrown2990 2 жыл бұрын
Its also worth noting that the final boss in X2 was a 3D boss, so the effect was utilized for a major part in the game.
@FactoryEight_Sean
@FactoryEight_Sean 2 жыл бұрын
Morph Moth still causes a lot of slowdown (not that I'm complaining, it's easier that way)
@dan_loup
@dan_loup 2 жыл бұрын
@@FactoryEight_Sean I imagine it is pushing the Cx4 hard because it is doing the sprite rotation trick along with physics and sprite setup and and and ..
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules 2 жыл бұрын
There's a couple bosses that are fully 3D rendered as well, a miniboss and the final boss of X2. There's a few other bosses that use the enhancement chip to handle sprite and screen effects too like Bubble Crab, Crystal Snail, Wheel Gator, and Morph Moth.
@GreatMossWater
@GreatMossWater 3 ай бұрын
@@FactoryEight_Sean loved that "bullet time".
@GinHindew110
@GinHindew110 2 жыл бұрын
Yoshi's Island is a timeless marvel of art and technology, so beautiful, even the DS version looks inferior by comparison
@irrigamii
@irrigamii 2 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The source code for Yoshi's Island that leaked in 2020 was so optimized, that people led to believe that it looked like a robot wrote it.
@thelonejedi538
@thelonejedi538 2 жыл бұрын
@@irrigamii I want to believe that R.O.B for NES made it to prove he wasn't a useless gimmick lol
@twoowlcandies2798
@twoowlcandies2798 2 жыл бұрын
@@irrigamii Yeeeeee
@zambrano8512
@zambrano8512 2 жыл бұрын
It's a perfect game... Tight controls, beautiful graphics, challenging but bot BS levels and bosses, hidden stuff... It had it all
@soulsmwc
@soulsmwc Жыл бұрын
w-w-w-w-w-hhhhatttt?
@stepheng8061
@stepheng8061 2 жыл бұрын
Legitimately some of the best "how did they do it?" Content on KZbin
@traphousegamer1906
@traphousegamer1906 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely 💯💯💯
@diecarro79
@diecarro79 2 жыл бұрын
According to Wikipedia, the DSP-2 chip in Dungeon Master converts from Atari ST bitmap image data to SNES bitplanes (although the ST also uses bitplanes, but I suppose the layout must be different), and some scaling and transparency effects. But this raises more questions. Why couldn't they convert the graphics "offline" and save them on the cartridge in the correct format? I can only assume that the original graphics were more efficiently compressed, and the cost of a bigger cartridge was higher than the DSP-2 chip.
@Sharopolis
@Sharopolis 2 жыл бұрын
I had read that too, but it just sounds too silly to be real, it might be for all I know though. I couldn't work out what was happening in the code with the debugger and I didn't want to get too bogged down in it. I guess you're probably right and it's a storage thing, but it still seems weird!
@6581punk
@6581punk 2 жыл бұрын
The ST was pretty much a raw horsepower type computer like the speccy. Simple graphics display and a CPU, so you could do all sorts of tricks. In more fixed hardware with custom chips like the SNES sometimes you just can't do some FX. So perhaps the chip was needed for the FX and they decided to also implement the image data conversion too.
@atomicskull6405
@atomicskull6405 2 жыл бұрын
Well RGB and tile graphics have some fundamental differences. Tile graphics have color limits within an 8x8 tile that don't exist with RGB. Could simply be that they didn't want to spend the time and money to convert and clean up the graphics and used an "on the fly" solution instead. It could also be that the ST version had some sort of real time pallet optimization going on with the graphics and they needed the DSP to do that on the SNES.
@ryokaix
@ryokaix 2 жыл бұрын
Memory was expensive in the early 90s. It could have very well been cheaper to use a DSP than add the memory needed to hold the graphics in a format the machine could handle.
@agenticex
@agenticex Жыл бұрын
I'm going off memory but there's also games like Star Ocean that the addon chip did graphics decompression. Tales of Phantasia and Star Ocean were both crazy snes carts.
@hfuy8005
@hfuy8005 2 жыл бұрын
What's hilarious about Street Racer is that it's using parallax on the mountains and clouds (look around 5:00) during rotation of the player's point of view, which is utterly wrong - parallax arises from translation of the point of view, not rotation. The clouds and mountains should rotate together, and what's being drawn there is ludicrous... if pretty.
@mypkamax
@mypkamax 2 жыл бұрын
This sort of parallax also seems to be present in Super Mario Kart.
@Dziaji
@Dziaji 2 жыл бұрын
It kind of makes sense for mariocart because the camera is 3rd person view behind the player, so rotation causes the camera to rotate and translate simultaneously, but the translation should be almost insignificant.
@demonology2629
@demonology2629 2 жыл бұрын
Your ideal probably would have worked a little bit better all the graphics should have been warping 🚨🎵🕹🤩🕹🤯🎧📺🎛🔉🎚🔊🎶‼
@alexojideagu
@alexojideagu Жыл бұрын
Street racer one of the most disappointing games I ever bought. The hype claimed it rivaled Mario Kart or was even better. No it wasn't, it was trash in comparison. Diddy Kong racing actually lived up to the hype and was better than Mario Kart 64 in many ways.
@GraveUypo
@GraveUypo Жыл бұрын
wow i didn't even notice that absolute godawful mistake.
@DenkyManner
@DenkyManner 2 жыл бұрын
That was Paul Rudd in the Super Nintendo commercial btw.
@Sharopolis
@Sharopolis 2 жыл бұрын
That's who it is! I knew I recognised him but I couldn't put my finger on it. Thanks!
@AltimaNEO
@AltimaNEO 2 жыл бұрын
That's amazing!
@paunchstevenson
@paunchstevenson 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting fact: 96% of all SNES games released worldwide run on stock SNES hardware. Only 4% of SNES games released worldwide have a special chip inside, which is only 74 games out of 1,757.
@LITTLE1994
@LITTLE1994 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. Hardly any games need an extra chip. Shows how powerful the SNES really is. It was advanced for 1990.
@matiasd.7755
@matiasd.7755 2 жыл бұрын
What's your source?
@Sinn0100
@Sinn0100 2 жыл бұрын
@@matiasd.7755 That guy grabbed that from Wiki...that isn't a proper source. There is no way only 34 games used enhancement chips for the Snes. Furthermore, the wiki article he got his number from states only really shows 12 different enhancement chips in total which isn't right either. List of Enhancement Chips for the Snes. 1. Super FX 2. Super FX2 3. CX4 4. DSP-1 5. DSP-2 6. DSP-3 7. DSP-4 8. Sharp LR3592 8. MX15001TFC 10. OBC-1 11. S-DD1 12. S-RTC 13. SA1 14. SPC77100 15. ST010 16. ST011 17. ST018
@matiasd.7755
@matiasd.7755 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sinn0100 Almost every SNES game which I say to myself "Man, that's a hell of a good game!" turns out to be using some enhancement chip built into the cartridge...
@Sinn0100
@Sinn0100 2 жыл бұрын
@@matiasd.7755 You're probably right and the Snes did have some great games on it. Honestly, I wish Sega would have utilized more specialized chips in their games as well. They were always trying to fix their color count and it could have been done without any 32X add-on's. I know they broke the color cap 3/4ths of the way through the Genesis's life but it never hit the numbers the Snes did. Speaking of absolutely bonkers insane color pallets did you see the guys making Symphony of The Night for the freaking Genesis. I can't believe my eyes but it looks so damn close it really blows my mind. We're talking a bone stock Genesis without any helper chips pushing Symphony. That's crazy.
@icanhazgoodgame3845
@icanhazgoodgame3845 2 жыл бұрын
Every Tennis game I play: Fault Double Fault 0-15 *Turns it off
@maxwelseven
@maxwelseven 2 жыл бұрын
21:25 That's actually just SNES's background mode 2 (2 4bpp layers + offset per tiles function). It's totally possible on stock SNES, as you can see in Wormland from Super Turrican 2 or Aladdin's final boss. Nice video!
@Sharopolis
@Sharopolis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks It is mode 2, but the Super FX is generating tables of scroll offsets that are sent to the scroll register by the CPU. You could do it on the main CPU, but the Super FX is faster.
@maxwelseven
@maxwelseven 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Sharopolis Yeah, preventing slowdown was the main goal of the SFX here. Especially with that complex wavy background going on. ​@Ed y Genesis also have this vertical split function, but you can only move 16 pixels wide columns. On SNES you can move each 8x8 tile.
@ethograb
@ethograb 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought the super FX chip had such a slow frame rate because of a slow DMA transfer, am I wrong? I think Sega's SVP (Virtua racing) chip had a little bit of a faster frame rate just because it could move things to video memory a bit faster. I think the FX and the SVP chips were a little more performant but they are bottle knocked by transfer speed to video ram.
@JoshBreakdowns
@JoshBreakdowns Жыл бұрын
What a great analysis of Yoshi's Island. They truly understood how to optimize the chip, which has really been Nintendo's strength all along. Brilliant stuff.
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see Street Racer remembered. It did a bloody great job considering it was lacking the extra chip oomph!
@Astinsan
@Astinsan 2 жыл бұрын
The dsp did a few things not just fast math. It had the ability to pinpoint in a 3d area where something was without the help of the system processor. It had the ability to judge movement and inertia. It also could do vector mapping in that 3d space. All technically could be done on the cpu but the bus was just to slow and the cpu was only 4-5 mhz. Not to mention working memory. The dsp was pretty amazing. Hitachi knew what they were doing
@knghtbrd
@knghtbrd 2 жыл бұрын
Given that SNES add-on chips included a 37 MHz ARM CPU … I think it's safe to say that some of the games for the SNES were more powerful than the stock console by leaps and bounds. It doesn't matter sometimes if the stock console in the hands of an optimizing master could do something if using it sped up development and failed to increase the cost to a point that it hurt sales.
@maroon9273
@maroon9273 2 жыл бұрын
Hayazashi Nidan Morita Shogi 2, imagine they release a 32-bit game on it or nec v810. Very impressive for a add-pn chip.
@telesniper2
@telesniper2 Жыл бұрын
but yet those games were still fookin god awful. Like Starfox was as bad as Corncob 3D, seriously
@thecunninlynguist
@thecunninlynguist 2 жыл бұрын
heh, Doom! I thought the SNES game was so Amazing back then, even though I had the shareware version on PC. I hold the SNES version close to my heart because it was a game I bought w/ bday money at Service Merchandise for like 70 bucks on sale. Ah, childhood memories.
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron 2 жыл бұрын
And people are complaining about games being $70/80 in 2021 🤣
@DoggoneNexus
@DoggoneNexus 2 жыл бұрын
I had the shareware version too, but our PC didn't run it very well. One evening my grandma took me to Target and said she would buy me a video game. I very nearly picked SNES Doom, but talked myself out of it because I knew I would be getting a Playstation and its superior version of Doom soon. So I got Zoop instead. About the furthest thing from Doom, don't know why I settled on that. I made the right choice by waiting though, and Zoop was sorta fun I guess, but all I could think while playing it was, "This could've been Doom."
@BigboiiTone
@BigboiiTone 2 жыл бұрын
Classy username. Really funny
@EduardoAbelardoRodriguezGuzman
@EduardoAbelardoRodriguezGuzman 2 жыл бұрын
...and the music was far better on the snes.
@KRAFTWERK2K6
@KRAFTWERK2K6 2 жыл бұрын
Same same. I still have my SNES cartridge and love this port of Doom a lot. Not only for the obscurity part (i mean.. DOOM on the SNES itself is wicked thought) but also because it's a damn fun version with the best version of the PC soundtrack (together with the 3DO version). And i just can't stop but admiring the sheer engineers work that went into the SNES version. Completely re-written to make it work with the SNES hardware. That alone is worth appreciating.
@sonataonmymind
@sonataonmymind 2 жыл бұрын
On Mega Man X 2 and 3 the enhancement chip is used to sprite scaling and rotation, thing that the SNES can't do, Mode 7 is only for background layers.
@Dookie69uk
@Dookie69uk 2 жыл бұрын
Finally somebody else that knows mode 7 is about background layers not rotation and scaling. I was beginning to think only a handful of us knew. Sick of telling people about mode 7.
@interesting_output
@interesting_output 2 жыл бұрын
Breakdown of enhancement chips used: 00:34 DSP1 allows for advanced Mode 7 operations through a simplified math coprocessor that allows for quick scaling, rotation and interpolation requiring floating point calculations. 06:43 The DSP2 chip found in Dungeon Master was designed to convert compressed images from bitmap format to the SNES bitplane format, as Dungeon Master for the SNES is a port of the Atari ST version. 07:05 Explicitly in Mega Man X2/X3, The Hitachi Cx4 is used to calculate floating-point trigonometrics to create and manipulate wireframe effects. By holding the B button on Controller 2 when starting up MMX2/X3, you can get a Cx4 self-test screen. 07:37 Super FX, Argonaut Software's brainchild, used in a bulk of the true 3D games, is a GSU add-on chip that alows for polygonal rendering and 2D image manipulation. It's more commonly referred to as a graphics accelerator. It was used in the port of DOOM for its advanced rendering capabilities. 16:56 The SA1 is a secondary processor chip that had a faster clock of 10.74MHz, 2KB internal RAM, bitmap to bitplane, floating-point multiply/divide/cumulative and secondary CiC (lockout). 23:16 F1 ROC II is the only game with the SETA ST010 which is used to improve computer-controlled AI. Bonus info: The Super Game Boy has a Sharp SM83, which literally means the Super Game Boy has actual Game Boy hardware in its cartridge.
@thisisjames4474
@thisisjames4474 2 жыл бұрын
My family was too poor nor was it necessary to have a home computer when I was a teenager in the mid 90s. I rented Doom from Blockbuster for SNES and it blew my mind! Seeing it now it's barely discernible what's going on.
@mypkamax
@mypkamax 2 жыл бұрын
Mid-1990s Nintendo really loved British programmers (Argonaut, Rare)...
@SomeOrangeCat
@SomeOrangeCat 2 жыл бұрын
And eventually stabbed every last one of the min the back.
@Gamerappa
@Gamerappa 2 жыл бұрын
@@SomeOrangeCat in rare's case it was Microsoft.
@SomeOrangeCat
@SomeOrangeCat 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gamerappa Nintendo pushed them away first.
@DuckAlertBeats
@DuckAlertBeats 2 жыл бұрын
I used to work at Argonaut
@gaetan4164
@gaetan4164 2 жыл бұрын
It's incredible that Nintendo decided to add additional chips in every single cartridge rather than release an add-on to be plugged between the console and the cartridge. Of course there are many advantages to this solution: it makes room for many different chips and it is totally transparent to the user. By the way, your channel is amazing. Unique, well-researched and well-presented content
@mkinitcpio
@mkinitcpio 2 жыл бұрын
i think sega showed that this was a terrible idea: the add on end up being costly not only for both sega and the consumer but also the retailer who have to stock another big ass boxes with a weird device that does nothing by itself, having to explain what it does. it also segments the market, so you have to deal with multiple incompatible games line-up, etc.
@maroon9273
@maroon9273 2 жыл бұрын
@@mkinitcpio both the 32x and sega vd was expensive due to the hardware they used where both add-on did not utilized well by sega on paper.
@robsku1
@robsku1 Жыл бұрын
@@mkinitcpio Well, to be fair, Sega implemented it sooo badly in many ways... 1st, the add-on could be quite small and relatively inexpensive. It could be marketed as "Super FX+ cart", which enables you to play "Super FX+ games" which would be sold at no extra cost as no extra hardware was reguired in the game cart. The extension cart could be about as wide as game cartridges, but a fraction of their height. What Sega's 32x did was nothing like this - I'm not saying it wouldn't have failed anyway, just that it's not exactly obvious that Sega's failure was making an add-on and not an enhancement chip on game cartridge; the way they did the add-on had so much more that contributed to it's failure. 2nd, I dunno, I don't have a 2nd. Finally, I'm not trying to claim that Nintendo's approach was wrong or worse - there's obviously arguments for it, some of which you mentioned. I'm only saying that 32x is not really a clear example of why the add-on idea was a terrible idea - but how they implemented it certainly was.
@aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa
@aquelescaraaaaaaaaaa 8 ай бұрын
the reason why there weren't more SNES games using the Super FX chip was because it added to the cost of cartridge manufacturing, for example, the Another World port started out with the intention of using the SFX chip, until the publisher stripped absolutely everything from the cartridge, even the additional ram and save battery, making that port an absolute miracle in of itself.
@MrBillgonzo
@MrBillgonzo 2 жыл бұрын
I love this stuff. Thanks for taking a deeper dive into the snes!
@markerhabit
@markerhabit 2 жыл бұрын
Makes me happy to see more names on the patron list!
@julianregel
@julianregel 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I really like the way you show us how it's working under the hood. Has part 2 been released yet, as keen to know more about how the SA1 and other chips (S-DD1 will be interesting to dig into) work. Thanks!
@goldlocke777
@goldlocke777 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, really looking forward to part 2!
@geoffreychauvin1474
@geoffreychauvin1474 2 жыл бұрын
I dream of an alternate reality where we saw super fx chip powered RPGs that were sprite based but used the polygonal effects like yoshi’s island. I imagine if final fantasy would have continued on the SNES this would have been how they did it.
@findantu
@findantu Жыл бұрын
Super Mario rpg.
@LunaManar
@LunaManar 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent explainer video! Vitor Viela has a really good breakdown of the Support Chip-CPU-RAM bottleneck on his Patreon (might be available elsewhere, not sure though). Some of his solutions are really creative--there's a strong possibility we'll see 30fps StarFox in the coming years if his projects continue to work out. Here's hoping!
@Nathan-rb3qp
@Nathan-rb3qp 2 жыл бұрын
The CX4 chip also allows for faster processing power, more sprites, sprite scaling for Crystal Snail, & the transparency effects used on spotlights.
@10p6
@10p6 10 ай бұрын
The SNES should have had a 7.16 MHz CPU and 256K RAM. Back in 1990 when the SNES was released, upgrading the SPECS to what I mentioned would have only cost pennies to do, but given a huge boost to performance.
@WheresYourToque
@WheresYourToque 7 ай бұрын
The Turbo grafx 16 had an 8 bit CPU with a 16-bit PPU so similar to the SNES with its custom 8 bit CPU with some 16-bit dunctionality. But the SNES also had an independent 8-channel Sony sound chip, so the CPU could be half the mhz than TG16. Also bear in mind, the early SNES games only ran at 2.68 mhz instead of the full 3.58 mhz. If you play Fast ROMs of the SNES games with full 3.58 mhz speed added, you encounter much less slowdown.
@nixneato
@nixneato 2 жыл бұрын
What a fantastic video, thanks.. Can't wait for part 2.
@tepafray
@tepafray 2 жыл бұрын
So from what I understand. The Super Fx was a real unit cost booster when it first came out, and that cost only started to come down when you really made a lot of units. Seemed like a chip you couldn't really use unless you: A: Really needed it, and could justify the cost with the expectation the graphics would sell themselves Or B: Needed to sell a console that was starting to date itself C: Had the benefit of not paying licensing costs per unit D: Had a powerhouse of a pr team, an official magazine, and millions of fans. And could expect to sell a lot.
@BubblegumCrash332
@BubblegumCrash332 2 жыл бұрын
I could watch videos on retro game mechanics 24/7 thank you for this series. It's fun, technical and informative👍👍👍
@Sharopolis
@Sharopolis 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@Lord_Vader_FL
@Lord_Vader_FL 2 жыл бұрын
You really have a gem of a channel... Your voice is palatable and I love your topics.... please do more hardware pushers and new retro system games its incredible to see what people come up with on older hardware
@Sharopolis
@Sharopolis 2 жыл бұрын
That's lovely to hear, thanks! I'm working on more hardware pushing videos so please keep watching.
@Lord_Vader_FL
@Lord_Vader_FL 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sharopolis i have subscribed now because of how much info you give i love the explanation of how the development team got to the "trickery" to work with the system. I just found you today and you definitely are going to be one of the channels I'm going to be digging through today have to see if you have some commodore 64 stuff that was my favorite computer of all time and I think it's a lot of people's favorite as well
@treighpedroche1516
@treighpedroche1516 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to your coverage of the S-DD1 and how that made Street Fighter Alpha 2 possible on the SNES!
@Julian_Pepper
@Julian_Pepper 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, with what Travelers Tales did on the Genesis with Sonic 3D Blast, Yoshi's Island probably could mostly be done Super FX-less by a talented enough team.
@queercommunist
@queercommunist 2 жыл бұрын
Stock CPU is way too slow on the SNES
@maroon9273
@maroon9273 2 жыл бұрын
@@queercommunist yoshi pace can be fast at times. Stock snes will have a lot of slowdowns. RPG games on the snes was amazing and looked like 2D ps1 and Saturn rpg's.
@queercommunist
@queercommunist 2 жыл бұрын
@@maroon9273 I agree. Also Yoshi has a lot of animated background and sprite scaling. It would drop below 10 frame per seconds on stock SNES
@LanHikariDS
@LanHikariDS 9 ай бұрын
7:10 to be more specific on the sprite stuff, I'm fairly sure a few of the bosses in X2 take advantage of the Cx4 chip the same way Yoshi's Island uses FX2, namely the rotation on Morph Moth's first phase and Crystal Snail's shell spinning.
@Bakamoichigei
@Bakamoichigei Жыл бұрын
The chip in Dungeon Master, as I understand it, is used to allow for directly loading the graphic assets from the original Atari microcomputer version. 🤔
@AcornElectron
@AcornElectron 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair it was the only way to try and keep pace with both arcade advances and (as time passed) the impending next generation from Sega. Who’d have thought it would be Sony that dominated?
@juststatedtheobvious9633
@juststatedtheobvious9633 2 жыл бұрын
Especially since they were mostly known for bad movie licensed games at the time. A more expensive LJN, basically. But when they hit the ground running with Namco and Psygnosis, they became immediate contenders. Of course, it helped that Namco and Psygnosis had gone on wild talent raids. Doubt they would have helped much with Pac-Attack and Shadow of the Beast. Or even Galaxian 3d and 3D Lemmings.
@wuffy8006
@wuffy8006 2 жыл бұрын
@Samuel Gu Good point. they defeated themselves ina way. Sony produced their own cd readers, so they put their own tech into the ps1, where as sega had to outsource to other companies on that front. sorta like the blu ray thing and x box.
@ClosestNearUtopia
@ClosestNearUtopia 2 жыл бұрын
The super FX was used for: scaling, rotating and manipulating/tilting images. All things the snes sucked at. Also it could perform floating point operations, used to draw polygons, polymorph and rotate things “smoothly”.
@RetroJack
@RetroJack 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's pretty much what Sharopolis said.
@ClosestNearUtopia
@ClosestNearUtopia 2 жыл бұрын
@@RetroJack spare tour time, read my reply if you are in a quick hurr and still want to know what we just talked about
@jabarijones7871
@jabarijones7871 2 жыл бұрын
The snes had scaling, rotation and titling built in already. These are the functions that the snes could do without the super fx chip, and it did it well.
@dan_loup
@dan_loup 2 жыл бұрын
The SuperFX was a 32bit RISC CPU with a specialized "draw a pixel" function and hefty multiply capabilities. you could do the hell you want with it. There's even a voxel space demo for the chip on the internet (and a game that would use the same technique but got cancelled)
@ClosestNearUtopia
@ClosestNearUtopia 2 жыл бұрын
@@jabarijones7871 only mode 7 made use of those kindof functions, no other modes offer scaling, rotation, or tilting of sprites natively. And that is were some chips play a specific role in. FI: mario kart characters arent scaled, the sprites are swapped out for different versions of the kart at different distances, only this way they could give you the experience of characters being closer or further on the screen. Mode 7 was already used for background aka the track, so it could not scale both the map and karts at one since they did not made use of the same layer.
@vincenzomottola7778
@vincenzomottola7778 2 жыл бұрын
Do a video about the NES' enhancement chips. MMC5, MMC3, VRC4 etc.
@Sharopolis
@Sharopolis 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of did that already, but there's more to come on that topic.
@rsmith02
@rsmith02 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting insight using the emulator. I look forward to part II.
@linkthehero8431
@linkthehero8431 Жыл бұрын
6:18 Aim for the Ace looks amazing in BSNES HD, which is able to upscale Mode 7 content without it looking blocky while other SNES emulators just upscale the pixels.
@WhatIsMatter101
@WhatIsMatter101 Жыл бұрын
It's not just the enhancement chip that made the Nintendo games possible. Credit also goes to how their programming department (formerly a contractor, but later acquired by Nintendo) is structured. If one gameplay element is required and it's possible with the console, they're required to execute it gameplaywise. There's no room for prima donna employees.
@mrtea7562
@mrtea7562 2 жыл бұрын
Stunt Race FX really deserves a remake, it plays really well, just a bit messy visually.
@irrigamii
@irrigamii Жыл бұрын
This, but also Star Fox plays amazing (especially with the Super FX overclock) but it is very, very low poly overall.
@marafolse8347
@marafolse8347 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for some good Vortex discussion and footage!
@CarstenEggers-he3lg
@CarstenEggers-he3lg 2 жыл бұрын
The one thing that bothered me was that you buy the superfx chip plus extra ram in every game. Would be cheaper overall if you put it an extra cartridge where the actual game cartridge is pluged into.
@enriquegomez8114
@enriquegomez8114 2 жыл бұрын
That was what SEGA did and failed.
@CarstenEggers-he3lg
@CarstenEggers-he3lg 2 жыл бұрын
@@enriquegomez8114 But they had to many external cables and stuff like 3dfx Vodoo had. Maybe in form something like the action replay but with other game connector on the top. It would have saved money in the long run.
@maroon9273
@maroon9273 2 жыл бұрын
@@enriquegomez8114 it was cancelled due to sega replace svp with the 32x add-on.
@neuro_davinci
@neuro_davinci 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was a shame sega never used these chips on megadrive. The one time they did it was impressive.
@gaylordfocker7990
@gaylordfocker7990 2 жыл бұрын
Too expensive.
@diecarro79
@diecarro79 2 жыл бұрын
Arguably (as the video mentions) the 32X (and the Mega CD to some extent) served similar purposes.
@gyroesehni
@gyroesehni 2 жыл бұрын
Virtua Racing for the megadeive had an enhancement chip in it, the only game to ever do it I think. It's super impressive though!
@AltimaNEO
@AltimaNEO 2 жыл бұрын
Sega did to some extent. The Sega CD had an additional processor, extra audio channels, and even sampled audio like on the SNES. But devs just didn't make use of it. You'd see a lot of games relaunched on the Sega CD with no real improvement. Looking at you, Road Rash.
@neuro_davinci
@neuro_davinci 2 жыл бұрын
@@diecarro79 Don't gaslight, enhancement chips in the cart and system add ons are not the same thing at all. As a kid of the 80s, I can tell you the 32x and mega CD were out of reach for most kids of the time, whereas many NES and SNES games had enhancement and mapper chips making them available for everyone.
@alexanderalfonsson5874
@alexanderalfonsson5874 2 жыл бұрын
This man deserves sooo many more subscribers!
@user-zo9dc1lu3q
@user-zo9dc1lu3q 2 жыл бұрын
😉🖒Great work ! I have some of the games that you showed. Mario Kart, Doom, Star Fox, Stunt-Race FX. They are gorgeous, like your video 🤗
@squishmastah4682
@squishmastah4682 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. Subscribed!
@napoleonfeanor
@napoleonfeanor 8 ай бұрын
Stunt Race fX was amazing back then
@SleepingCocoon
@SleepingCocoon 2 жыл бұрын
woah the offset generation on the "3d" elements of yoshi's island is mental, I'd never imagined it being done that way!
@masteryoraerasante
@masteryoraerasante 4 ай бұрын
Basically, Megaman X2 and X3 used the Cx4 chip as much as possible, the wireframes are just the most visible one. It was actually used mostly for... well, what you described Yoshi's Island using the Super FX chip for: rotating, stretching, and basically allowing graphical effects the original Super Nintendo could not allow and with much less slowdown. For example, the intro level's boss of X2 was not only too big to work without it but also... was basically made with skeletal animation.
@bushlshd
@bushlshd Жыл бұрын
The chip in dungeon master converts the games bitmap graphics into snes format graphics, effectively serving as copy protection
@captain0080
@captain0080 2 жыл бұрын
7:17 other than the wireframes, if i had to guess which one thing X2 that X couldnt probably do without the chip is the graphic ripple effect of Crystal Snail's time slow down attack.
@michaels9917
@michaels9917 2 жыл бұрын
I love that Paul rudd is in that snes commercial in the beginning
@Icelink256
@Icelink256 2 жыл бұрын
If I recall correctly, the DSP-2 in Dungeon Master, simply converts the bitmap data from the original Atari ST game, into something that the SNES can actually display. (I'd read something about it a while back on a French website, when I was doing research, for a dungeon crawler that I'm currently developing.)
@BUDA20
@BUDA20 2 жыл бұрын
PRO TIP for Stunt Race FX, press Select when the race starts to change to a wider view, also use the shoulder buttons to steer more
@Nikku4211
@Nikku4211 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait for part 2. It's a shame the Super FX chip never had a chance. Winter Gold on SNES actually does *not* use 3D polygons. It uses vector image animations to fake 3D, each frame composed of multiple polygons used to represent a 2D image. Also, the SNES can do sprite scaling and rotation, and it's similar to how it's done on the Super FX 2 with Yoshi's Island because both have to do it in software using the CPU. The Super FX is really just a CPU, it has to be programmed to manually draw polygons and manually draw sprites being scaled and/or rotated. The catch is that the Super FX is much faster as a CPU than the SNES'. Nitpick: Why do the gameplay recordings in your video have this weird motion blur applied to them?
@medes5597
@medes5597 Жыл бұрын
The motion blur is crt emulation, it's supposed to show more accurately the out out the programmers were expecting.
@JoseRivera-li8tr
@JoseRivera-li8tr 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating stuff!
@TheCubicleReview2
@TheCubicleReview2 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid man! Thanks!
@Sharopolis
@Sharopolis 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@nelsoncabrera6464
@nelsoncabrera6464 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Nintendo had included the SFX chip on the console itself from the beginning. The possibilities! Edit: I read somewhere that the DSP in Dungeon Master was used to do bitmap conversion between Atari ST bitmaps and the bitplane format used by the SNES.
@robsku1
@robsku1 Жыл бұрын
_"Imagine if Nintendo had included the SFX chip on the console itself from the beginning."_ They built NES and SNES to be extensible like this for a reason. 1st, they wouldn't have used same implementation if they had built the features and performance of the chip on console itself - as it is it still has to work through the SNES display chip, they would have made it into the display chip itself. The thing is, no matter how over the top they would've made it, they still had to decide on what features they would settle with and then go with it. And that would have set the hard limit on what you can do without putting an extra chip on game cartridge. And they had to do their best to choose something that wouldn't make the console too expensive (Neo Geo says hello) at the time. Whatever they would have chosen, provided they didn't chose too expensive stuff, we would still have the same situation - eventually there would rise a need for most demanding games to have extra punch, because it couldn't perform fast enough on SNES alone. And we would still be having this same discussion about them including the SFX chip on the console itself, only difference being that the SFX chip would be somewhat more impressive than it is now. I think overall they did design it well enough and made it extensible because they knew they couldn't cover every need for the consoles lifetime - and the speed that hardware was getting faster with never ever more impressing features during the 90's was astonishing, you had to be there to understand ;) It was a time when you could feel future happening in the now all the time :D
@nelsoncabrera6464
@nelsoncabrera6464 Жыл бұрын
@@robsku1 Oh I was there in the 90s. :) My first console was a 2600 when I was 4. The SNES was the first console I bought with my own money from working all summer. I then fell for the "64 bit" lies of the Jaguar.
@DUKER2710
@DUKER2710 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! Snes had many interesting chips including decompression chips(SPC7110,S-DD1) which doubled the size of games(Tengai Makyou Zero 5>10 Mb,Street Fighter Alpha 2 5>10 Mb,Star Ocean 6>12(!)Mb) as well as a chips ST series(Ai)for shogi games
@SomeOrangeCat
@SomeOrangeCat 2 жыл бұрын
It was a very smartly designed console. Extra power for specific games that needed it, as opposed to a super expensive addon or two.
@maroon9273
@maroon9273 2 жыл бұрын
And expansion friendly as well.
@Psychokyuubi666
@Psychokyuubi666 9 ай бұрын
Can’t believe Tales of Phantasia, Star ocean & Trials of mana didn’t make your list.
@Dr_Mario2007
@Dr_Mario2007 Жыл бұрын
What's mind-blowing is that you can easily do the same thing with a $2 - 5 ARM Cortex M4F microcontroller nowadays, if you're so inclined to make your own custom SNES cartridge with fresh parts (since original parts could be already exhausted by now) - most microcontrollers are already clocked out at 100 - 300 MHz, and some at screaming fast 1 GHz speed, even packing a superscalar CPU, so you obviously have enough time to translate the SuperFX instructions and compute them in that time frame.
@kildogery
@kildogery 2 жыл бұрын
Great stuff as usual.
@robertramsey8871
@robertramsey8871 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding the lack of speed in Star Fox. Most of the speed issues have been corrected with a patch available online to address bugs in the code
@AFnord
@AFnord Жыл бұрын
I remember price being explicitly stated as an issue with the SuperFX chip back in the days, with magazines talking about how much the thing cost. No exact numbers were given that I can remember, just that it "was very expensive", and something that was given as a reason for why the 3D sequences of The Lawnmower Man was the way they were, they did not want to splurge on the SuperFX for that game (and something that the local Nintendo focused magazine complained about).
@marafolse8347
@marafolse8347 2 жыл бұрын
Once you said “2D driving game engine gone mad” it instantly clicked what you meant
@LeviathanRX
@LeviathanRX 2 жыл бұрын
Vortex is a pretty underrated game. Yes it was pretty difficult and a bit choppy FPS wise (just like Star Fox) but it was a neat concept with decent gameplay and the music was all real bangers
@barryschalkwijk9388
@barryschalkwijk9388 2 жыл бұрын
i swapped my super metroid for vortex for a few week swith a classmate. then we got into a fight and i never saw it back.
@hicknopunk
@hicknopunk 2 жыл бұрын
Vortex has one of the best SNES soundtracks.
@freddiejohnson6137
@freddiejohnson6137 2 жыл бұрын
Some of the early games that used DSP chips seem to have had them included to slightly boost the clock speed of the standard system from what I can tell to keep games running at a certain speed because other than that I don't think they had any other enhancements they could offer over stock hardware.
@Decidetto
@Decidetto 2 жыл бұрын
They couldn't exactly boost the clock speed of the main CPU using a subprocessor, but they could offload mathematic calculations to the DSP chip and achieve a similar effect.
@SigmaSXMTV
@SigmaSXMTV 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@iulianispas8634
@iulianispas8634 Жыл бұрын
The cip was running all graphics you can wire the controls directly to the cartrige without needing the console at all
@schtive81
@schtive81 2 жыл бұрын
I wondered what the DSP-1 was doing in Super Mario Kart. I guess it handles all the additional calculations with the projectile weapons, and help's add more scenery to the enviroments? I heard that the Cx4 in Mega Man X2 and X3 are used to help render larger maps. No idea if that is true. But the maps do seem much larger.
@marscaleb
@marscaleb 2 жыл бұрын
19:50 That's the kind of shenanigans that Traveler's Tales did a lot on the Sega Genesis. Seriously, go watch a few videos on Game Hut and you'll see the same thing being done in Mickey Mania.
@ElijahRulz
@ElijahRulz 2 жыл бұрын
17:44 Nice save.
@RyumaXtheXKing
@RyumaXtheXKing 2 жыл бұрын
I wish there was some homebrew for the sfx chip or vdp even. And I have to wonder what the SFX chip could have achieved if they had built a console around it. Seems like it was really limited by the SNES.
@gregh378
@gregh378 2 жыл бұрын
Arguably Street Racer did have projectiles, there is a football you can crash into and push forwards.
@pacomatic9833
@pacomatic9833 2 жыл бұрын
But there's not really much else
@exaltedb
@exaltedb 2 жыл бұрын
6:50 I think I’ve read it does something with converting Atari ST bitplane images into a format the SNES can understand
@Idelacio
@Idelacio 2 жыл бұрын
Aha, I had wondered how some of these games would look on a clocked superfx, Stunt Race does look far more palatable.
@TubbyCrumbles
@TubbyCrumbles Ай бұрын
Actually the reason we didn't put projectiles and other extra obstacles in was not down to not being able to do the maths, that was no problem, it was down to the cars being much bigger than the Mario Kart ones so there just wasn't enough spare sprites for them without adding extra multiplexing and stuff on top.
@henke37
@henke37 2 жыл бұрын
Now I want a detailed look into the Megaman games and what they are doing with the C4 chip.
@medes5597
@medes5597 Жыл бұрын
They just use it to render larger maps. That's it. It's not a big mystery.
@hhdhpublic
@hhdhpublic 2 жыл бұрын
Well now im damn curious what those chips that seemingly do little to nothing actuall do!
@CeeJayThe13th
@CeeJayThe13th 2 жыл бұрын
They do *something*. There's no way the companies would pay for that without a damn good reason. Those enhancement chips cost quite a bit especially when you think about how in some cases there were literally pressing millions of them.
@keithlowe5512
@keithlowe5512 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid mate. I'd love to see a new game for the snes using a powerful enhancement chip, I wonder what the limits are? Edit: Checking out that MSU-1 now.................
@kayceecheshall2818
@kayceecheshall2818 2 жыл бұрын
IIRC the DSP in Mario Kart computes the affine transformation coefficients used by Mode 7. Mode 7 by itself doesn't understand the notions of translation, rotation, or panning.
@Halbared
@Halbared 2 жыл бұрын
NIce explanation on the Mario Kart. I had both STreet Racer and Mario Kart back then, loved them both, Mario was better eve though I did love the accurate stereotypes. :D
@BryceRehder
@BryceRehder 2 жыл бұрын
More snes please! This was great
@napoleonfeanor
@napoleonfeanor 8 ай бұрын
National stereotypes are great
@SchubiHD
@SchubiHD 2 жыл бұрын
Underrated
@soulsmwc
@soulsmwc Жыл бұрын
The falling walls are NOT done with the Super FX chip (They are done with HDMA)
@fattomandeibu
@fattomandeibu 2 жыл бұрын
Was defo price. A game that used Super FX would get moved up at least one notch on the price bracket, and devs would have an aim for which bracket they wanted to end up in. Take International Superstar Soccer Deluxe, for example. The EU version is on a 2mb cart, has no save feature and has limited commentary. The Japanese version was on 4mb cart with save RAM and full commentary. You can't tell me that Konami wouldn't want to make EA look bad with full commentary on a SNES cart, but figured it would be a hard job selling a £60 football game in enough numbers to justify it.
@fmsyntheses
@fmsyntheses 2 жыл бұрын
There's some SuFami RPGs that used coprocessors very creatively. Particularly those by Wolf Team.
@chiefhydropolis
@chiefhydropolis 2 жыл бұрын
Dungeon Master on the SNES supposedly has the graphics compressed and are decompressed using the chip inside as some sort of anti-warez protection.
@Sharopolis
@Sharopolis 2 жыл бұрын
That could well be true, but it's hard to find any hard information about what was going on with that game.
@Darknecius
@Darknecius 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, all of this is fucking cool. Great video
@willrobinson7599
@willrobinson7599 2 жыл бұрын
Some amazing graphics effects that were un thinkable when the machine first came out.
@FarmerSlideJoeBob
@FarmerSlideJoeBob 2 жыл бұрын
Best Content right now😃
@DaoistYeashikAli
@DaoistYeashikAli 2 жыл бұрын
What about the Super Accelerator 1(SA-1) chip?
@gregh378
@gregh378 2 жыл бұрын
I'd that Paul Rudd in the advert at the start?
@Noisy_Cricket
@Noisy_Cricket 2 жыл бұрын
When the Super FX chip draws polys on the screen, isn't it technically drawing tiles? Because that's what it looks like in RAM. Does this make the FX chip the first tiled renderer lol?
@robsku1
@robsku1 Жыл бұрын
I think something similar already existed with NES - Elite for NES used something similar, it was 3D graphics rendered as tiles, although that was just wireframe-3D; in other words, line graphics, but the basic principle is the same. There were probably also Sega Master System and Genesis games that used some similar enhancement chips in cartridge. So Super FX chip would not be the first "tiled renderer" ;) If you want to see something crazy done using the same principle, search KZbin for "reverse emulating the nes" - IIRC the video also mentions Elite.
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