How Europe Is Ruining Agriculture [And How to Fix It]

[@danilolabbate]

In the beginning of the 20th century, the politics in my country, Brazil, was dominated by coffee producers. After the 1929 crash those producers were losing a lot of money, so they demanded the government to do something, and the answer was simple: if you can't sell your coffee, government will buy it for you. The result, as expected, was a complete disaster. Sales plummeted while production increased, the government was buying (and leaving to rot) more and more coffee, and in a few years everything crashed down and the republic fell, ending up replaced by a dictatorship. Easy money often has bad consequences.

[@AjayTiwari-en9nz]

We have a similar problem with wheat, rice and sugarcane in India.

[@sebastiangruenfeld141]

Comparing the UK to New Zealand is very disingenuous. The UK is NOT self sufficient in food production, it imports a lot of its food. New Zealand on the other hand produces enough food for triple its population. That's why food is cheaper in New Zealand.

[@Bigmojojo]

The UK was also in the EU and its predecessor organization. Which meant they didn't have to worry about growing all their food because they could just get it from the mainland. Also isn't UK weather worse then New Zealand?

[@vinniechan]

New Zealand doesn't produce ALL the food they need tho They are powerhouse in some but I'd imagine they need a fair bit for others

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

New Zealand has a population lower than the metro atlanta population. England has 67 million people. New Zealand has 5. Saying New Zealand produces “3 times the food it needs” isn’t a flex

[@bruhbutwhytho]

@@LucasFernandez-fk8seIt’s not a flex, it just shows why the comparison doesn’t make sense.

[@danielleslie2218]

And someone from New Zealand who lives in the UK - food is way cheaper in the UK!!

[@pepeadamczyk2163]

as a farmer this video misses the point. Honestly if anybody is talking money, then talk about what farmer receives vs price of what is in store. I am producing apples in Poland, nowadays 0,27€/kg is not uncommon, documents laying next to me for Idared variety is for ,22€/kg. That was same money we got for apples in 2000 if not lower. Now consider inflation (value of that money) and huge increase in cost of production. The price in stores is not uncommon to be 0,9-1€/kg. If I got that amount I would take a shit on subsidies. Subsidies are like machine trying to keep alive patient that is rotting, and are drop in the bucket: the money "young" farmer get? one good quality tractor or poor one with sprayer, which is only one of many machines needed for production. The solution is either population going straight to the farmer to buy produce at half price of that in the store (which is still 2x that we get) or to cut the subsidies completely and let the market collapse and rebuild itself. I'd get hit hard but it's better than this rotten state of middlemen and corporations taking all the money, because that is exactly where the subsidies are going

[@simonkotnik0468]

you are telling nothing but the truth it is the same here in slovenia, us farmers wont be able to go on for much longer on these prices. let us leve the curuption aside the substidies are bullshit take them away and give us the higer price. 1l of milk is curently 0.45€ in the store it is 1l = 1€

[@maphilib]

It seems similar to the solar industrie some years ago. I paid €23000 for my solar installation and 1 or 2 years later, when that extra money was not paid by the gouverment any more, you got the same intallation €6000 ....

[@maphilib]

All the money go tho the industrie and the retailers. Not to the farmers.

[@damianpos8832]

@@simonkotnik0468 i geuss road is to cut the midle men out..I do quite fancy idea of buying directly from produces as localy as possible

[@evangelosliakos3190]

I mean cutting the middle man is an idea. On the other hand, how I can have access to your apples when I live in Greece myself? Many times we tend to demonize the middleman, but they bring value to the chain. Marketing a product, putting it inside a nice package, transporting it, etc. are some of the very complex activities that add up to the total cost. I agree that subsidies are not the way to go. I would rather transform agriculture by spending more on R&D activities, educating the farmers, helping them to buy machines, and learning about automation and digitalization. Of course, the EU has to improve its policies too. In Greece, subsidies were given to farmers for many years and we ended up decreasing production after all. Nobody was checking up on those public investments in exchange for political influence.

[@squa_81]

5:31 Fun fact: Food prices are global, even in europe Food is already as cheap as it can be, some farmers already sell at a loss (milk is a sector that is hit very hard by this and it a sector with fewer and fewer farmers willing to care for cows) We already rely a lot on imported labor to keep costs low... Can someone explain what i may be missing in my reasoning?

[@SladkaPritomnost]

Avg wheat prices in 1980 $4.5690 (us data) Avg median home price in 1980 $64,600 (us data) ---- Avg wheat prices in 2023 $7.6584 (us data) Avg median home price in 2023 $436,800 (us data)

[@inotaarto8719]

Monoply dreams of large corporations. They lobby subsides to benefit large entities while driving smalholdings out of business and infra bought by large chains. The thing is, large are more economically optimal while small are more sustainable and ethical, specially in livestock grazing. just my view as a small scale shephard

[@kimwarburton8490]

organic farming takes 10-20 years to reach pre-organic productivity. This is because soils need rebuilding after using petro-chemicals to achieve the same result. I have learnt that industrial agriculture is only going to last another 30-40 harvest years, due to the micro-biota's eco destruction which harsh chemicals and tilling from industrial farming has caused. UK lost 40% of the soils' fertility since WW2 using petro-chemicals and tilling. Restorative and organic practices are needed desperately en mass, but phased, so that there is a % who are transferring rather than the entire industry. As we need the insect population decline to reverse, so that the plants we eat can continue to be fertilised and produce new generations and fruit n veg, it's not really a debate. This is another transition that MUST happen. Petro-chemicals also mean that the food we eat is less nutritious and less bioavailable for us than it was pre WW2 and the petro-chemicals also contribute to auto-immunity and inflammatory chronic illhealth conditions^

[@curties]

@culminate100 human waste is approved and in use (treated of course). manure alone cant replenish the soil~

[@seanC3i]

Some countries, such as North African countries, will always rely on food imports, because they are desert and not suitable for agriculture on the necessary scale. So export subsidies are not all bad. Plus Peter Zeihan is predicting considerable food insecurity in the near future because of Russia's war on Ukraine and the ensuing disruption to international grain exports. So having a surplus of food doesn't sound like a bad idea right now.

[@ambessaseway5594]

Peter Zeihan is a complete scam, his only prediction is all US Enemies will disappear

[@ivaylolazarov6443]

Thats what they do in Bulgaria. Big farmers divided their land to small conected companies and still take 90% of the European money. And thats mainly grain producers, 10 to 20 people in all the country( other producers - fruits, vegetables etc. take peanuts). Beause of land size supsidation they buy more and more land and the price went to the moon. Check prizes in Dobrugea region for last few years.

[@SeeNyuOG]

There was a time in Poland when our farmers needed to dispose tons of milk because EU introduced some limits

[@janinewetzler5037]

U.S. Dairy farmers were paid to produce, weather or not the milk products sold or not. Government bought the surplus. Actually stored it in an underground natural cavelike bunker....then the product started to turn, so foodbanks were given cheese, powdered and canned milk, butter to give away to the lower middle classes and welfare recipients.

[@TAGProtocol]

Food security is a critical subject for every country and humanity in general. Urbanisation that we have experienced over past 100 odd years means most rural folks what to move to cities in any case seeking better opportunities. In this environment, playing around with agricultural policies based on financial argument alone could lead to an even bigger disaster.

[@Anti-socialSocialClub]

Did you miss the part about new Zealand doing well?

[@hemantsarthak]

@@Anti-socialSocialClub its a small homogenous country with similar climate throughout, you can't compare it to Europe, where diff levels of wealth, weather, education and niches exist. Agriculture is about food security, America also gives subsidies, even if itsa a financial loss, because food security is more important then if its financially 100% profitable. The solution doesn't need to be radical, just link the subsidy to production again, and widen the net of goods and link subsidy in a planned manner to food/goods price and adjust it yearly, like if onion is constantly expensive link the subsidy so that onion is produced 20% more only not 100% more adjust it and its kinda fixed.

[@Ihor07081992]

Why so few people subscribed? This channel deserves more

[@ArawnOfAnnwn]

Less flashy and politically opportunistic than their politics channel. Which, ironically, is also what makes it better than VisualPolitik.

[@sockhal4595]

@@ArawnOfAnnwn funny, I was thinking a few minutes ago that the last visual politik video was getting on my nerves. It’s confusing, not to say irritating all those cuts with catchy titles, catchy voices and catchy music. It was difficult to stay focused on the message of the video.

[@kst157]

Too many adverts …

[@dominickskinner407]

@@sockhal4595 They´ve also made a lot of factual errors on VisualPolitik especially on the topic of Ukraine. It´s a pity, feels like they´re trying to increase their click rate.

[@titanicisshit1647]

Because they use data from 2002

[@gorilladisco9108]

About the Tangermann system ... wasn't Milton Friedman famously said, "Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program."?

[@agggggg1916]

Your proposal is to multiply the mistakes. Poison even more, destroy even more. The Netherlands is exactly the negative example. This is the path that leads to ruin. Today they have to correct the massive environmental destruction against the massive resistance of the farmers. The example of Sri Lanka shows that you do not understand anything about organic farming. You don't even want to begin to understand it. It is clear that organic farming cannot be installed overnight. It takes 10-15 years to rebuild the destroyed soil. But organic farming is only 10-20% less production. Permaculture can even achieve higher yields than intensive conventional farming. If Europe can feed itself, why not limit itself to that. Why export these products until the markets in developing countries are destroyed (although this has been partially corrected). There are countries that depend on imports. That is where they should be supplied. There is a lot wrong with EU agriculture. Organic farming would be the turning point. We can feed ourselves with it and also preserve our environment.

[@titanicisshit1647]

I bet you live in a developed country

[@agggggg1916]

@@titanicisshit1647 Yes, but was is your point?

[@titanicisshit1647]

@@agggggg1916 some countries NEED imports or they'll starve and they can't become agricultural superpowers in 2 weeks

[@agggggg1916]

@@titanicisshit1647 I wrote "There are countries that depend on imports. That is where they should be supplied. " But the EU has bankrupted farmers in sub-Saharan Africa. This is absurd and criminal.

[@damianpos8832]

@@titanicisshit1647 there are 10st other countries that can provide exports..See europe still import a ton of food related products yearly so if europe became more selfsuffiecient it would empty space for competitors to fill the gap.

[@gauriblomeyer1835]

Very nice presentation. Your pronunciation of English is admirable. For this reason it does not matter that you do not know the essential force of the Bio food in Germany1926. At that time it started and has grown since. It has influenced many bio food start ups in other countries. Best sample is Egypt, where for now 40 years the Egyptian desert has been transformed to green land by the organization SEKEM.

[@1wun1]

Subsidies in a free market are a contradiction

[@monkeydank7842]

If there is a low productivity per square it’s bad for nature as well, because the land could have been used better.

[@Epidian]

That depends on how you define productivity. Productivity for people reduces productivity for wild species.

[@jeanmichel1554]

Not true in the alps for exemple

[@Epidian]

@@jeanmichel1554 Alpine agriculture is a classic textbook example of poor productivity for people. The yields are so low that most farmers need some kind of tourist income in addition to their subsidies.

[@monkeydank7842]

@@jeanmichel1554 If we can produce everything on less sensitive ground, we can spare the alps and other natural habitats. But it’s complicated.

[@ashie123z]

High productively means low nutrition value too

[@Ikbeneengeit]

The whole reason the taxpayer is paying the farmers to exist is to guarantee food security. Tangerman propses a payment in return for nothing?? No way.

[@Anti-socialSocialClub]

It's better to give them money for nothing, because what the farmers are giving back now is even worse than nothing. The real reason farmers receive subsidies is because of their strong political influence in countries like France. In the modern era, food security would be there even without subsidies. If you gave them "free money", many of them would invest the free money in agriculture to make even more money. Then the food security issue disappears.

[@abum4595]

@@basilmagnanimous7011 US has stronger economic growth and lower inflation than USA and lower unemployment.

[@abum4595]

@@basilmagnanimous7011 I meant stronger than Europe/EU

[@tornielsen2888]

@@abum4595 And yet somehow the EU has much higher average standard of living. Just possibly not treating your workers like cogs gives a healthier and happier population, at the mere cost of some billionaires profit margin.

[@abum4595]

@@tornielsen2888 americans have higher standard of living by far and are much richer. Even the rich parts of europe are poor by comparison and are severely overpopulated

[@DavidRose-m8s]

In NZ small farmers bear a much larger cost in proportion to their income from GOVT regulation driving many farming families, and expertise out of the industry. Cost of these regulations on all sectors of the economy are driving up supply costs for everything your farming business needs to operate. The economic stress this creates could be argued to be good for the consumer, but at a cost to rural connectivity which comes down to politics.

[@darthjarjar5309]

In the US we have a similar heavily subsidized agricultural sector and yet, prices are still high.

[@seanlander9321]

Subsidies in the US have inflated land prices which then makes farming more expensive. Even with illegal labour, the US isn’t producing cheap food, but it does produce a lot of food.

[@kushemchang3957]

You forgot one thing.....the crops you guys eat are absolutely poisonous 🤣🤣

[@Bigmojojo]

We only subsidize 5 things in the US. Corn, wheat, soybeans, cotton, and rice. That's it and the majority of the subsidize goes to corporate farms. That's why food is so high.

[@alexannal]

I could have a great debate with you. I am a farmer and on the average this was a good and well-thought out view. It is vastly more complicated than you think. So meany people have there option. If you want to discuss further id be happy to speak to you.

[@hdani1981]

I applaud you for your calm response and willingnes to debate. My piss boiled upon listening to this nonsense. I bet he likes the dirt cheap food offered in his supermarket.

[@andersbjrnsen7203]

farming: the area which is way to important too leave to the market, and way to complicated to leave to politicians and bureacrats...

[@damiengitt]

Sorry but only few critics are really valid Productivity is not everything…. Quality is as well really important … so no 1000s catle farme and no steroids for meet production did kill productivity but save European countryside and food quality ….. And please look at the UK farming industry post Brexit !!!

[@nrm224]

European agriculture at present cannot compete freely against more productive nations. If Europe wants domestic food security, it has to pay a premium to protect its less efficient, less cost-effective agriculture.

[@eirikarnesen9691]

food is not a competative industry, its a "how much can our land make" industry.

[@peterpan4038]

@@eirikarnesen9691 It's both. But the day you can't provide enough food and safe drinking water to your citizens comes around => shit starts to go BAD real fast. Hence your own food production matters a hell of a lot more than lets say your own clothing production. Europe is rich, that's the reason domestic food production doesn't need to be hyper competetive on the global stage*. The no1 priority is to ensure said domestic production never stops, to weather global shortages. *: The EU is pretty ruthless when it comes to f-ing with competitors in the agriculture industry on the global stage, that's were a good chunk of political capital gets played against smaller nations. More often than not this ends up starving people elsewhere. Aka to export overproduction the choosen method of the EU isn't to produce the cheapest, but at financial and/or political gunpoint.

[@eirikarnesen9691]

@@peterpan4038 i have no idea why you think the eu needs to force other nations to buy its food. we are talking pocket change here. european food export is primarily high end. you are not forced to buy french cheese, you buy it to look cool

[@peterpan4038]

@@eirikarnesen9691 Here is an example: Years back some EU producers exported large amounts of chicken feet and other undesirable chicken parts to Africa, outcompeting the local producers. So far so normal, but one nation (can't remember which one) dared to draft a trade tarriff of 0.03$ / Kg (a bit over two pounds of chicken) of chicken imported from the EU. The Response from the EU: You can do that, and we can drown you with "small" trade sanctions in the WTO. Result: Said trade tariffs got shredded real quick. And the local farmers got f-ed. There are plenty of products traded from and into the EU. But you better believe the people in charge of international trade in the EU >>>KNOW

[@Anti-socialSocialClub]

Farmers would sell the bonds, invest in productivity (to maintain their lifestyle), and after 10 years when their projects fail, strike/demonstrate/riot to claim more subsidies to keep them farming.

[@randersen2171]

how do you maintain your lifestyle, block the roads, refuse to work/strike. if we strike you starve so its not really an option, well its an option but we are to good to do that to you ;)

[@richardmatthews3304]

At any point in the last 15 years many farmers could have stopped growing food and just claimed the subsidies, some years our farm would actually make more profit if we had. But we carry on growing food

[@Anti-socialSocialClub]

@@richardmatthews3304 why don't you stop farming then. Let those that can do it profitably continue. Why should the rest of us subsidise your hobbies ?!

[@richardmatthews3304]

@@Anti-socialSocialClubhave you ever gone hungry

[@johnl.7754]

This is why in China the lowest cost milk I saw was from Europe

[@volodimirkrug8928]

The comparison of England with New Zealand is incorrect due to the difference in insolation. The sum of active temperatures greatly affects the yield.

[@squa_81]

6:06 The difference is that new zealand has insanely fertile soil and weather conditions. You seem to have forgotten this, land capital does not have remotely the same productivity across the two nations. This, libéralisation can't fix, it's the soil itself and it is a very stupid project environmentally and economicaly to try and change the soil conditions in the UK to match that of New Zealand

[@Urgelt]

Tangerman bonds, eh? So the farmer sells a bond. Someone else, not a farmer, collects the subsidy. The farmer has a wad of cash. What is his incentive to increase productivity? Fear. He'll get no more subsidies, so if he wants to stay in business, he'll have to somehow improve his operations... While still complying with onerous regulations. Or he could take his wad of cash, add to it by selling his land, and ride into the sunset with his saddlebags full of cash. Now you have a new owner. If he qualifies for subsidies, then he, too, can pocket 20 years of subsidies, sell the land, and ride off into the sunset. If he does not qualify for subsidies, then he will either have to sink his own money into improving his farm, or... Leave the farm as is, take losses, write off losses on his taxes, or... Re-zone the property and develop it or sell off parcels, or... Sink steadily towards bankruptcy. At no point are incentives actually incentivizing agricultural productivity improvements. Since the incentives are divorced entirely from farms, food prices will rise, which will hurt exports and annoy consumers. Good luck trying to compete against the US agricultural exports to world markets under this scheme. Sure, US Big Ag foods are made using pesticides and GMOs, but hungry people will eat them if they're cheap. And they are cheap. They're cheap because of scale. Few small farms exist in the US now, and those are boutique operations, catering to wealthy consumers. I don't know what the EU should do about agriculture, but I doubt very much that Tangerman bonds will be a good answer.

[@damianpos8832]

Sounds like yet another fraud in the making so the fithly banksters can force people off the land via economic terrorism...Avoid at any cost

[@hernawanrahmadi1545]

This CAP subsidies on olive and rapeseed oil, and European policy on protectionism blocking foreign product had put millions of Indonesian and Malaysian oil palm smallholders very hard time.

[@marco21274]

You really want to compare olive oil with palm oil? 😂

[@titanicisshit1647]

Is the eu supposed to care more for indonedian and malayan farmers rather than its own citizens ?

[@VanGarrett]

Cat at 12:06 to 12:09. Good kitty.

[@ivanhartley4378]

we demand that Grant pay the cat tax!!!! (a picture lol)

[@klauszinser]

When you say 24% of the EU Budget is going to Agriculture is much higher. From what I know nearly all the employees who decide about agriculture subsidies are all employed in the national states. Re tangerman bonds or other solutions, from what I know there is nearly no degression on the payment her ha (10.000sqm). It's nearly no difference if this is owned by a large farm or a small farm. But, the investments for farming machines, dairy etc are very degressive. It may be noted, these subsidies are published. Also in the US. Further, a field that has been used from the farmer who rented it and that he has changed to grass cannot be used for e.g. wheat (thats definitely so in Germany, Baden Württemberg). But the owner has never been asked when it was changed years ago from acre to grass. And the field for sure would make much more sense for wheat. Unfortunately it could become more stupid as it is converted to a field for solar panels. Then taking it fully out of production.

[@Epidian]

Smart folk graze sheep under solar panels.

[@maphilib]

Or farmers-land become house-land, industrie-land. It gone rise up the common years while a lot of farmers quit due high age or the extra co2 problems (lack of rules so nobody nows how and in what to invest for the future) ....

[@Epidian]

Smart people graze sheep under solar panels.

[@boriss.861]

Milk & Wine Lakes, Butter Mountains. !

[@GerbenWulff]

The fix is a narrow viewed economic solution that doesn't solve the broader issues that are at play here. Let's take the 'succes' story of the Netherlands as an example. Dutch agriculture is in trouble. The Dutch government's policies have been unable to make Dutch agriculture more sustainable. Right now, we have a major surplus of nitrogen. Due to nitrogen regulations the entire economy is on hold: industrial companies cannot expand; infrastructure and houses cannot be built. The government sees now other way than to close down a significant portion of the farmers. Is that a succes? We don't need more production; we need to make agriculture more sustainable. The EU population is not growing. The people we have are on average already overweight.

[@damianpos8832]

Strave them....Wef

[@jamesa1841]

But we already have a competative market, just with some subsidies 14:56

[@ajc5479]

I just wasted 15 minutes of my life waiting for this bow tied ***** to explain "How Europe Is Ruining Agriculture". Just got poor history, outdated reports, inaccuracies and an unworkable BS proposal. Thanks

[@randersen2171]

its pretty non void to talk about productivity in europe vs a country, our wheat belt, produces, dk france etc = new zealand, spain and italy however cant grow a crop and misuse the CAP, making our average worse.

[@dennisdennis5921]

The c.a.p. is the only item that is completely payed from eu funding, other industries get subsidies(in one or another form) from countries where they produce.

[@looseycanon]

The bond option is nonsense. We need more farmers in the EU, because, already, larger farming conglomerates have way too much power over price of their products (on top of getting subsidies). If a farmer is permitted to leave his farm, who's gonna take over? Yes, the big firms. This is nonsense, really. No, what we need, are different kinds of subsidies, that target different aspects of farming and forestry (frankly, I believe, that it is inevitable, that these two will merge, given they both deal with land and current ecological bias in politics). We need subsidies for reforestation, land adaptation, machinery purchases and development of up the value chain projects (a farm growing cows for milk to be able to make milk products, or to tan the leather they get from their cows upon slaughter and process it all the way into shoes or car seats, etc.). All else needs to go. And then, we need to change the environment, that we operate in. Louis Rossmann has beaten the horse of right to repair to the death multiple times already, but we need to make machinery self repairable and simpler to operate (I'm looking at you John Deer, I'm looking at you!). We also need to end current system of patents on crops. Because of them, if you seed crops, you can't make your own new seed out of your own harvest, because some company holds the patent to that DNA! Crazy! And finally, if somebody decides to become a farmer, he/she needs assurances, that if things go sideways, they won't end up on the streets, as well, that when they need a loan for something, they won't get refused in the beginnings, because they have nothing to show for them selves for now. And finally, animal cruelty laws need to be revisited, for they have overreached into normal practices, sometimes, even because they were not particularly cruel, but they seemed as such.

[@nenasiek]

Agree with most but the animal cruelty laws are good, this isnt something im well versed in, but keeping pigs in small pens with no stimulation shouldnt be ok and the chicken industry are a good example why we should stop seeing it as just another industry. Yes those animals will be food but that doesnt mean they should be abused and neglected while they are alive. I think we should just go back to smallbut numerues farms, theres no way a farmer with 100s if not 1000s of animals can care for each the same way as a small scale farmer. Doesnt fix everything but its a start. When it comes to veggies i doubt it could even be possible to not use large farms. But if every home owner with a backyard started growing a bit of their own veggies instead of focusing on a green grass lawn and pretty flowers we would see a difference. Basicly stop the huge companies controlling everything and start using the land we have for more than one thing, solar panels and sheep in the same area for example.

[@jamesa1841]

Gee I didn't get all of that. But I can say that the most efficient farms traditionally combine agriculture and forestry. Regulation is likely to reduce integration unless it is done well. Even if the forestry option is not exercised for 30 years it does not mean it is not part of the farm.

[@Epidian]

@jamesa1841 many places aren't suitable for agroforestry. Try doing it on the Prairies or the Orkneys.

[@looseycanon]

@@nenasiek This is artificially increasing your food costs! Remember, that under similar conditions, animals were kept for generations and we didn't see problems. It is only recently, with large parts of population moving into cities, losing touch with food production process and the land, that we see these animal wellfare laws getting passed. on your second point though. Yes, it's crazy sometimes. Why can't a cattle farm let their cows/goats/sheep graze in orchards and diversify their revenue streams from strictly milk and diary prodcuts by fruits? That's literally illegal, where I live.

[@Bigmojojo]

​@@looseycanonthere was always animal problems on farms in the past as there are today. Ever heard of Swine flu or mad cow disease? Sure the regulations in place now may not prevent or end some of any of these problems. But to say they were never there until these regulations came into place is ludacris

[@tomo1168]

finally somebody talkes about this!

[@shad0wyenigma]

Tangermann bonds sound like a very good idea however there is a downside when you look at demographics. I don’t have data on this but I’d bet that the majority of farmers are older and starting to look at retirement, so there’s likely to be a mass exodus out of the industry when lots of people choose to take the money. This has a very real impact because the knowledge base in the industry will drastically decline. Experienced workers are generally the most productive so this might actually hurt productivity at least in the short term.

[@ajr993]

The flaw with this reasoning is that farming is going fully automated over time. We really won't need many humans at all. It's likely that corporations will buy up land, deploy automated equipment, and monitor the current status and progress with drones + AI. If there are any problems a specialized team on retainer would be deployed to resolve them. This way you don't need any farmers at all for the most part

[@Bigmojojo]

​@@ajr993there's only so much automation you can have on a farm. Grape growers won't use automation because the robots don't pick the grapes correctly and damage them, nor are they any good at spotting what grapes are read to be picked. Then there is the fact these robots will cost a lot of money and God knows how much they will charge for software updates.

[@janechanning984]

Seems someone is media led instead of understanding the truth about food. I for one do not intend to eat bugs, rely on machines 😂, and shorten my lifespan to suit the lying corporates intent on feeding the cult instead of humans.

[@SladkaPritomnost]

Wheat prices should rise 4x times higher (to about $31! per bushel) to get a touche with houses! Good old times... Avg wheat prices in 1980 $4.5690 (us data) Avg median home price in 1980 $64,600 (us data) ---- Avg wheat prices in 2023 $7.6584 (us data) Avg median home price in 2023 $436,800 (us data)

[@alkriman4182]

I suggest that you gather your data FIRST, and THEN write the script. That way your graphs wouldn't contradict your words. For examples: (1) at 2:56, the narrator says that production has sky-rocketed. The graph that is supposed to show that shows the EU wheat trade balance up to around 2001, when it was about zero and on a down-trend. If you want to support the statement, just find the production data and a way to adjust for EU expansion in the period. As it is the graph could be explained in a dozen different ways and extrapolated out over the next two decades in an infinite number of ways. If you can't get the data to support your argument, then don't make the argument. (2) At 7:22, the narrator claims that the GVA recently started to fall "pretty sharply." This is not evident on the graph shown, which dates to 2020 or 2021. (I don't mean to imply that GVA data are very meaningful when subsidies are large.) Showing graphs that patently contradict or fail to support the claims they are made to support is a good way to slash your credibility.

[@cedrickropp]

The graph around 6:14 seems a little disingenuous. Beef and Lamb are not the most important foodstuffs for most people, while white rice is depicted as with a large increase it is also not very dramatic as it is not necessarily an important source of carbohydrates. Milk and Butter or dairy products in general do make up a significant amount of nutrition and are widely and regularly consumed and are squished to the sides as they show little difference, as if to hide a point that defeats the argument, of more expensive groceries in the European market. Could you provide other visual aids that also include important information such as vegetables as well as grain and popular carbohydrates such as potatoes?

[@damaskosc]

20 years of subsidies at once... I foresee Porsche Cayenne!

[@CoffeenSpice]

I want a Yacht 😂

[@jackdeniston59]

All laws, all subsidies must have an expiration date.

[@reyhaz]

now I understand, why many Hungarian politician of the now ruling government bought a lot of land...

[@Metal_Welder]

When you said that farming subsidiaries come from land usage ammount and are eating away production efficiently, you look at the farm fields as growth factories. They are complex ecosystems that must be maintained if farmer wants something to grow there. That's why some areas are kept as pastures for a year so the land can rest and keep the farming sustainable. Subsidiaries ensure that farmers get some compensation for keeping the fields maintained. It's not a perfect system and if you look it as a numbers game it does not make sense. Farming may not be the most economicly viable business but i think nobody wants to starve.

[@witoldschwenke9492]

It's not fair to compare organic food to industrial food by weight! There's a noticeable difference in nutrition! It's healthier and you need to consume a smaller amount to get the same nutrients with less calories! Furthermore the damages to water and health are lower. Damages to water can be catastrophic for people. Pesticides in Denmark (where I live) have made many reservoirs unusable and caused many people to get chronically ill. Healthier people aren't just cheaper for society but also more productive. Hence the comparison is not simple.

[@boriss.861]

Look at how they waste Tomatoes in Italy and Spain throwing 1000s Tons of them through the streets!

[@volodimirkrug8928]

In Ukraine, the government explains that the price of bread depends on the price of fuel. If diesel fuel is expensive, bread is expensive. The price of products includes the price of equipment, for example, grain harvesters. Equipment prices will only increase. Oil prices too. Food will only become more expensive, because the population of the planet is increasing, so the demand is also increasing.

[@bashirhasanov335]

I really did not catch how the bond mechanism mentioned in the last part improves productivity after all. Aren’t you still giving free money after all?

[@damianpos8832]

It doesnt it just yet another scheme how to get people of the land..

[@EMBer3000]

I'm sorry, but expecting agriculture to grow at the same rate as the rest of the economy sort of misses the point that it is a fully developed sector. The only gains in the sector come from natural population growth and increases in efficiency. You can't make more land so the sector can't grow by simply expanding.

[@damianpos8832]

Meh you can grow some stuff without soil altogether..So your point isnt 100%true..Just saying .

[@andrewharris3900]

You can grow more productive varieties, you can reduce the cost of inputs etc. it can still grow.

[@EMBer3000]

@@andrewharris3900 just not like other sectors. Expecting growth equivalent to the tech or energy sector is a little silly.

[@lv3609]

Humm, many repeated images of automated indoor farming (vertical farming). Now that money “costs more”, these automated indoor farming/vertical farming are going bankrupt, specially those operating in Startups mode. Regarding CAP. Given climate change and the uncertainty it brings, we better off protect our agriculture and our farmers. If we take lessons from recent supply chain issues, foods supply is one thing to protect. Protect quality. The heck what VisualEconomik EN crocodiles’ tears say about other producers (also China and India have enough money). Politically, messing with farmers at your own perils, look what happened in Netherlands it can turn far-right very quickly.

[@thibfraisse]

You also need to check population health into this analysis (gmo, pesticides, etc.)

[@goodmail5533]

Subsidy bonds. Mmmm. Sounds like the WEF has there hands in this idea🤫

[@damianpos8832]

This is wef spozored channel.

[@kellerhorton]

TG bonds sound great.

[@pascalialexandra]

I live in the EU and I always try to buy agricultural products from the EU BECAUSE of the tight regulations that you accuse of bringing up prices. If you test a tomato from Turkey vs one from netherlands or Italy, there will be huge differences in quantity and type of pesticides used. This is no little thing. If no limits are put on cheaper products of poorer quality coming from outside EU, than yes, EU farmers will be run to the ground. We see this already with grain from Ukraine. Also, soil conservation and restoration policies are so very important and if subsidies help farmers make better decisions for the lands, than i'd say that more countries should adopt these kind of practices. I could go on.

[@MikhaelHausgeist]

2:27 Somehow such dependance from parussia didn't bothered them... Fun fuckt!(No, this isn't written wrong, it written intentionally)

[@redstream1237]

12:05 a cat 🤠

[@Spido68_the_spectator]

Meanwhile, farming is in crisis in many parts of Europe due to people abandonning it because they can't live off of it And this video just says " european production standards are too high so let's close it down and outsource it to the other side of the world because it's cheaper " we did that with industry and look at the results. Bad at best The systemic inefficiencies called out are present all over the world because otherwise it's not profitable. In 2020 quantities of food were destroyed due to prices crashing, even though starvation problems didn't vanish at all. The root, as can be often discovered, is how capitalism works. Scarcitiy is the name of the game. Also, why do farmers in " poorer countries " have to trade with Europe ? There are plenty of places in need of food but with little purchasing power. So maybe give THEM the so-called " cheap food "?

[@witoldschwenke9492]

Agriculture lacks innovation and quality produce. That's what a restructuring should be aimed at

[@foute90s]

Farmers here in The Netherlands seem very unhappy. Maybe they don't like all that subsidy money. I can think of better ways to spend it.

[@janechanning984]

So can I.....eat bugs, have nothing and be happy, 😂. Anyone who is against farming is a media brain trained numpty.

[@Lando-kx6so]

With the UK outside of the EU ow shouldn't this improve for the UK over time?

[@justaspivoriunas9416]

It seems that first UK agricultural sector will totally collapse, then maybe recover in better form. Transition going to be something to behold.

[@jayanthpatki7845]

Zero budget natural farming is the way to go

[@midnightflare9879]

Ah yes, an undesirable dependence on foreign countries. If onyl we had the same caution when it came to hydrocarbons.

[@damianpos8832]

Ou yes you can drill next to your house...Or you know import

[@akchuck100]

EUropen farm subsidies, yada, yada, yada. But ther goes that cat again (12:07 - 12:09). WHY HAVEN'T WE MET THIS BUNDLE OF FUR ???

[@Mlp235]

we would love to not get any help as farmers,and to be allowd to plant the same seeds as the americans .we can make 6-7 tons of wheat per hectar,with american seeds we can go over 10 tons .So wich would you preffer ,to get 200 euro as help ,or make 3-4 more tons per hectar .And also the population is still saying that it s not good so ......

[@npacebg]

12:07 Random dog walking by

[@enginerd0]

As a farmer myself, I say, set us free from the subsidies. That would fix all the problems. If you want farmers to have an easier time making money and being profitable and productive, remove the regulations. The countries I've visited with both fewer regulations and fewer subsidies have much healthier ag sectors.

[@potatoeater3000]

But do they have higher quality food? Because if we look at US, their food is horrible.

[@tomasfontes3616]

@@potatoeater3000 the US is also fairly protectionist with its farming sector.

[@enginerd0]

@@potatoeater3000 yes, they do have higher quality food, in terms of base ingredients, although that may partially be due to climate factors.

[@enginerd0]

@@tomasfontes3616 Yes, I'm from the US, and when I visited Europe, I compared both regulations and subsidies with the farmers there, and they were all very similar.

[@Epidian]

When New Zealand abolished all subsidies, there was an immediate reduction of the price of land by 40 %. Folk with big mortgages or inflexible leases went bust.

[@maphilib]

If we eat what our farmers produce ... we only eat mais .... . And the European money dont go to the farmers butt it go the the industries. Fertilizer, equipment, seed, you name it. The farmers get that extra money and the industrie nows that and as result the farmers got to pay more for that all. Simular to my solarpane,s 10 -15 years ago. I paid €23000 for my solar installation. 1 or 2 years later when all extra gouverment was gone you paid for the same installation €6000. It mains that all that extra doesnt go to owner butt to the industrie. Also in farming ... 😢😢😢 and gess what ... all politicians nows that ... 🤬🤬🤬

[@lucaj8131]

Did they bot their likes count? How can the comment section be so negative (rightly so) while having 1.5k likes!

[@Gsoda35]

never subsidize those who don't need it like the US maize farmers. there must be a balance.

[@moonsharn]

They need to be using regenerative agriculture and system stacking to increase productivity. Offering subsidies only for carbon credits. As the production methods are economically viable, no need for top ups

[@EliW95]

Permaculture is how to fix the problem everywhere

[@neverstopexploring7772]

8 milliard people, bro , somebody need to feed that , perma, organic,resurrectiv agriculture is no chance. Brazil , Ukraine,Russia will do the dirty work and make all that. Count Also more meat needed every year .

[@EliW95]

@@neverstopexploring7772 did you even know what i was talking about?

[@neverstopexploring7772]

@@EliW95 yes, you think 1Ha can produce the same amount of crops/food like the intensive system (fertilizer/pesticide/GMO)?

[@EliW95]

@@neverstopexploring7772 i have no doubt about that. research permaculture and regenerative farming, they get more output with far less input through building ecosystems around edible food and raising livestock. many homesteaders have done it for years while creating huge surpluses, and look at what joel salatin does. as matter fact, it is the only long term solution to soil erosion and other environmental issues, and there needs to be food freedom implemented to be able to get away from the entrenched big agricultural interests

[@TheJoaolyraaraujo]

Nice

[@trevorjoneill707]

the idea is right , all else is wrong

[@damiengitt]

And CAP and protectionism make food more expensive for EU resident but enable selling below international trade price in poor country ??! 😂

[@Merle1987]

Free money.

[@matthewbarry376]

This lad can't even spell his own name right 😂

[@domingo2977]

He's British

[@Ryanrobi]

I am an American farmer I can assure you productivity in Europe is pretty poor especially per worker in farm sizes are very small They do have a lot of really good technology because their labor cost is so high they need it to make it at all. I am a farmer who has been advocating forever to get rid of all subsidies in general but especially in agriculture It is very bad gives bad incentives almost always in the farms that make the majority of the food get very little subsidies because the subsidies are always capped because larger farms are more profitable the vast majority of food comes from larger farms so for example when I go through my peer groups farms and I look at the percentage of our revenue that comes from subsidies in America it is less than a quarter of 1% over the last 35 years but for small farms it's often 30 or 40%. Let the free market work and let the businesses who can produce a product at a profitable price stay in business in the rest and find something else to do... Canada for example has their dairy industry subsidized and has a quota in dairy farms there are a joke compared to American farms They should be a powerhouse in Dairy and they are globally competitive with the crops that are not subsidized or under a quota but the dairy farmers there that got quota for free now have millions of dollars worth of free quota and they do not want to give it away for free but milk there cost about 40% more and I live right near the Canadian border.

[@potatoeater3000]

The whole idea is to not allow for big farmers to appear.

[@andersbjrnsen7203]

your point sounds like a recipe for getting rid of all small farms and having all production in the hands of a few big corporate players, keeping thousands of heads in concentrated pens while freighting in feed from far away. not a fan..

[@juliannal5006]

Many interesting facts but really full of terribly wrong conclusions or comparisons. If there is high interest pls comment on this comment and i‘ll try to answer.

[@venusproject8202]

This new host feels fake. Is the voice AI generated?

[@kimlaursen8224]

it is foolish that we spend so many billions of the EU budget🇪🇺, for just making agriculture more expensive and more inefficient

[@userMB1]

You said that one factor for decline in productivity is the ban on some pesticides. Is this not to protect the soil? There are a lot of pesticides that are harmful. As for the comparison with New-Zealand; one of the major reasons for resignation of their former popular prime minister Jacinda Arden was her clash with the farmers regarding unpopular regulations in farming, if i'm not mistaken. So there is much more to the story of more productivity.

[@tjurzyk]

Most pesticides banned in EU past their registration period and needed new one, which costs a lot. Basically process is the same as with registering brand new substance difference is there's no patent protection any more, and every company capable of producing such substance can do it legally. So no reduction of available pesticides in EU is not for soil health benefit, in most cases it was only for money. Of course there were products that were toxic and are banned for that exact reason, but farmers don't miss those much.

[@egg174]

Trump is gonna have a cow about this...oh wait, he already did

[@ferguswebster7714]

Really not very sure you know much about ecology or agriculture, sorry. Organic agriculture is not, contrary to what you state here, less productive.

[@rosendoescutia9970]

Get rid of that bow tie. 😖

[@jakenovak2556]

Netherlands!?!?

[@AdanP-b1i]

Aides???

[@michaelmayhem350]

Yer ruiningit

[@BenzinioB]

Since my country become EU member we lost EVERYTHING! The agriculture is literally dead - from exported now we import 80% of the agriculture products. From industrial power the economy now is 80% in services. Everything comes from the old, as I call it "Core" members. If anyone plane to join EU - listen those who tried it and stay away - it is fascist state! Old Europe was build on the colonialism and the sad true is that nothing has change, it only evolve!

[@potatoeater3000]

From when we joined, everything skyrocket. Our exports increased. Our industry grew. We became one of the biggest agricultural providers in some sectors in our region. It's your politicians, not the EU.

[@BenzinioB]

@@potatoeater3000 It is definitely EU, as it runs "common polices" but you can not compare different economies. Running equal "rules" to different economies ends at distortion of the market. Not to mention that in general the quotes principle is principle to pay for not doing certain activities - but that lead to another distortion. As much the euro currency is fundamentally wrong, as much the EU common polices are!

[@eirikarnesen9691]

there is no eu member where this is correct. if you are not part of "old europe" you where never a production power, and if you are part of eastern europe, you would have had insane economic growth. my guess would be something like greece, and i have bad news, you are poor because of you, not the eu. im not a eu fan, but it has been great for the non "old euopean powers"

[@BenzinioB]

​@@eirikarnesen9691 "but it has been great"... well said... but no longer is. Sorry but I'm almost completely dissagree. EU is good for the "core" and for the big countries - and it is normal actually as you adjust the polices to the biggest economise, not the smallest. It is design flaw on two levels - economical and political. It is "normal" the EU policy makers to take in consideration the interest of Germany (just an example nothing against it) and not Bulgaria or Cyprus - the economy scale of the 80 million country vs 3-4-5 million population - of course the bigger one wins And then is the political one. Taking same examples and very roughly said without checking the exact numbers, but have no doubt they would be close: If Germany have around 100 members in the European parliament - Cyprus will have way less then 10 MEP, my guess is 4-6. And that matters! The EU solidarity is myth! No matter the party and the group of membership in EP the Parliament members rarely vote against the interest of their own county as they are elected by the people they have to vote against. This is simply ONE OF the major design flaws of EU and allows the European polices to be focused on the Core and the Bigger members. Of course any of the countries has their own faults, no doubt, but generally speaking it is EU's fault. Even looking at the problem from Universal perspective - there is no possible way everyone to win - if some one win, some one loose, there are Big Winners and Big Loosers in EU...

[@andersbjrnsen7203]

where a you from?

[@kimwarburton8490]

decoupling subsidies from productivity means more room for wildlife to flourish = more climate resilience and more pollination. I get that this is an economics channel, but seriously!

[@stanhry]

Even so , subsidies still puts land into production at would not be put into production without subsidies.

[@Briand-ei1gs]

@stanhry your both wrong. In america farm production is so high many farmers are taking land and turning it in to wildlife habitat. They make Morey from hunters. Everybody wins farmers, hunters and wildlife

[@kimwarburton8490]

@@Briand-ei1gs wasnt talking about america though^ there is a world beyond the united states^ The video was talking about europe, i was coming from the perspective. of having actually grown up and lived my entire life in a rural wheat and dairy focused agricultural part of the uk. As in i regularly interact with the local farmers who are ALSO worried about insect population decline, soil fertility etc without either, we stop being able to produce food. USA also uses industrial farming -it is killing the soils^ animal cruelty is abundant (feed lots) as is agricultural pollution, MUCH more than in europe i might add primarily because the usa version is more concentrated all year round. Plants are symbiotic with mycellium -did u know that? What do u think happens when tilling and harsh petro-chemicals break up the mycellium? Scientific american around 2018 did an article that stated that the UK, if it continues with industrial techniques has 30-40 harvests left before the soil loses it's fertility. It had lost 40% of soil fertility since WW2. The uk has some of the youngest healthiest soils in the world^ Do you honestly think that the usa using the same techniques is much different?

[@glike2]

Cheap toxic pesticide food is not worth it, expensive Bio organic food is safer especially for pregnant women. Poorest people should get aid buying healthy food. Corporate agriculture destruction of healthy food needs to be prevented. The reforms should accelerate climate resilient agriculture and minimize water consumption per unit of production. They could also accelerate combined solar PV agriculture. @Visualeconomiken

[@sourabhmayekar3354]

Nice