How Every Smash Character Has Changed in HDR

[@ZachHonest]

Ayo Happy Holidays. If there's anything you want to add to the video that didn't make it you can reply to this comment, or if anything becomes outdated in a future update. Hope you guys are having a happy holidays! I worked mega hard on this video. Next week there will be a Pokemon Video (I haven't done a Pokemon video in a long time wanted to do one again!) Hope you guys are doing well, stay warm and all that!

[@666blaziken]

Pyra and mythra can hit cancel with down b, and pyra's strong hits are on her tippers, so she can combo into mythra's moves if she is close enough. Mythra's up b can also be single hit so if she does press b again, she can use an aerial

[@THP22342]

HAPPY HOLIDAYS HONESTEST OF CONTENT

[@samgregg7272]

missing on yoshi's double jump cancel is crazy. i know all chars with a similar rising dj got the change but it makes yoshi way cooler

[@jacksarrow8215]

M2 Fair Hitbox also got reverted to the PM Variant, so it pops the enemy up instead of killing horizontally

[@lukel1127]

Zelda can cancel attacks into the down-b phantom on hit, pretty huge change

[@SonicTheCutehog]

Peach changing which weapon she uses for her forward smash with the control stick is already in Ultimate

[@teenageapple3788]

How so?

[@SonicTheCutehog]

@@teenageapple3788 By tilting the control stick while charging her Forward Smash. Holding it directly forwards uses her golf club, upwards uses her frying pan, and downwards uses her tennis racket.

[@cookiecrusher2953]

Yeah I thought that as well, for such a large scale video tho there's bound to be mistakes

[@Jemmie69]

There are a few parts of the video where things like this are said for example Robin already has a meter for all of the spells and Levin sword

[@vsfirebullet8716]

Yeah there were a lot of things (throughout the entire video) that made me wonder if he even played Ultimate. One that really stuck out was Ryu, Ken and Terry being able to cancel their moves on hit, and thinking that mechanic was added in HDR. Oh and grabbing items on the ground with wavedash (because of the airdodge) and calling it "aerial glide tossing". I'd take at least half the things in this video with a grain of salt. Was still fun to see the different animations and stuff though.

[@paulakroy2635]

Honestly I don’t get why they changed ness’s magnet from ultimate. It’s honestly one of the most interesting moves in the game

[@bedescarlet]

to put it simply, it ended up being useless in HDR's engine. It was also changed a long time ago so there's always an opportunity to redesign the move

[@funnyusername4774]

One of the most interesting moves in ult maybe, but hdr isn’t ult

[@noether5]

As someone who played Ness in PM and now in Ultimate, Ult magnet makes Ness his best incarnation without a doubt. Even if that’s just cause it made him the most fun. I always thought it would be interesting if it could be jump-cancelled into a wave dash. But maybe I don’t know what I’m talking about.

[@RiahGreen]

I am a ness main and ness SUCKS. Hopefully he will get worked on soon :)

[@powerowl2120]

@@noether5 He could do that in project M, him and Lucas were like floaty space animals lmao

[@dew2759]

So i intend this entirely as constructive criticism and not to be rude, but it felt like there was constant misinformation. Either entire new mechanics were missed on characters or misinformation was stated on moves. One example is that banjo has 5 grounded feathers but he has one aerial feather that charges. Another thing is that Aegis' hitswap mechanic was missed entirely along with incin's multiple side b variants along with hitfalling weren't mentioned. It felt like the information was all over the place and missed out on the things that made characters interesting

[@xXTheAroXx]

agreed, definitely needed more research

[@eoeaoe12e]

yeah, too bad no one else has done a video like this on HDR with better research. i had to stop half way into the video because i got fed up with the blatant misinformation.

[@shalokshalom]

Did the information about Mewtwo line up

[@coasterthekid8867]

@@eoeaoe12e why don’t you do it if you’re so knowledgeable

[@eoeaoe12e]

@@coasterthekid8867 so imagine you hire someone (not that you ever would, since you're too poor but bear with me) to paint your house. you ask them to paint it yellow, they paint it black instead. you complain that they did it wrong, and they say ''well why don't you just do it then, if i'm so wrong?''. you're an idiot.

[@nateinman1]

“Steve received a mix of buff and nerfs” - proceeds to mention only nerfs and then follow that by saying he’s now the worst character in the game

[@arbiter771]

Good.

[@kidgamer544]

BAD, BLOCK MAN should be broken @@arbiter771

[@yellowcapalex2825]

RIP my interest in playing this rom hack

[@DivineDa_OG]

@@arbiter771 nah you trippin

[@TheInfamousWolf]

GOOD.

[@PhazoGanon]

To give some information, there arent (to my knowledge) any plans to add newcomers to the mod, mainly because Ultimate has so many characters as is, and adding more would make balancing potentially even harder than it currently is.

[@yams7355]

Doing things like making Echos more unique is pretty much the same thing anyway if you ask me. This mod is really cool!

[@k-leb4671]

I hope they at least consider dipping their toes into making new echo fighters, so they don't have to deal with too much change. Considering they're willing in this mod to have every echo fighter receive tangible changes, I think it would be a great middle ground. They could potentially add Shadow, Black Shadow, Black Knight (lol at all these similar names), Funky Kong, and a few more I'm sure, and while they may not demonstrate the best potential those characters could possibly have in a fighting game, they'll still be different enough to make you go "yep, these guys feel like their character and deserve their half-placemement on the roster".

[@yams7355]

@@k-leb4671 I'd love to see Zach as a Cloud echo, Roxas as a Sora Echo

[@user-wb8iu1hl6i]

I honestly don't think that's the main reason, I think the feasibility of adding new characters to modded ultimate without replacing existing ones is very hard

[@OpiupAlmaManiac]

​@@user-wb8iu1hl6iYeah, being able to add characters instead of replacing them was a huge accomplishment in the Brawl modding sceme at the time.

[@TopTierGamerMan]

The worst change to Smash Ultimate was removing Fire Mario.

[@lunarclysm4392]

True

[@HirokiPlays]

Pyra/Mythra are hella different. Mythra's side B is a new move with a sweetspot. Her up B can be cancelled into any arial. Also they can instant swap on hit, so you can combo between the two characters in between hits.

[@TtronX]

Yah I’m surprised he didn’t talk about any of these changes.

[@Matanumi]

He's missed quite a few changes on a few characters.... understandable it's a massive roster

[@TtronX]

@@Matanumi true it was a big rework of alot of characters. But a lot of the major changes were in the patch notes

[@thegam3rcube686]

Mythra side b is a nerf

[@HirokiPlays]

@@thegam3rcube686 Yup. Because he original side B was a nightmare as an edge guard. At this point she doesn't have foresight either. Her Parry does give her the foresight animation though, which is cool.

[@k-leb4671]

4:42 That is _not_ a Peach float. Peach can't move around in all directions. She can only hover at a static altitude. This is beyond. Anyway I'm pretty glad Dark Samus can fly around. I remember seeing a Brawl mod that did the same thing. It was such a sick moveset.

[@bedescarlet]

Incineroar had Rivals hit falling, which you missed entirely.

[@ParaplegicKeanuReeves]

Nobody cares its a Pokémon 🤣

[@ventdra]

​@ParaplegicKeanuReeves do you know what hitfalling is??

[@toad7369]

​@@ParaplegicKeanuReevesIm gonna touch you 😂

[@captaineflowchapka5535]

HE WHAT ! that is funny , and potentialy game breaking

[@pixelatedink955]

​@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves L take + its a playable character and therefore should be considered.

[@partystar91]

Haven’t finished the video yet, but this is great so far! I have been trying to get people in my local Ultimate tournament scene into HDR, and I think this will be a great tool to help with that transition. I even wrote out a 40-page Google Doc that goes over all the major changes from Ult to HDR for people to read that are curious, or just for a general reference. I’ll be sharing this video for sure, since it’s more digestible. Great video!

[@LMANPAD]

Where is this doc I would love to read it

[@JaneViolet_]

Pls link this document 🧐

[@elibonham4388]

Lot of the changes that i see im not super fond of honestly in Hdr but my mains sonic captain falcon and dk have great changes but ganondorf why would u get rid of the uptilt and warlock punch attack those are iconic. They shouod of just made ganons side special not make him go into free fall and upgrade his speed and air speed thats it.

[@Amoro22]

​@@elibonham4388 old uptilt and warlock punch sucked ass and were almost never used. Better to give him something more practical.

[@elibonham4388]

@@Amoro22 i used it😢

[@chefvideogame]

I don’t know if this is possible or if the HDR team will do this at all, but I really wish the hit/launch effects weren’t removed. I’m not discrediting the amount of work the HDR team has done, but the lack of hit/launch effects makes the attacks feel like there’s little power behind them.

[@beardalaxy]

It's a design decision, it's to clean up the image. It only looks weird because you've been playing Ultimate a lot (probably). You get used to it very fast, just like we all got used to Ultimate's effects and different knockback really fast. A lot of effects in HDR have been scaled back to make the presentation a bit more clean.

[@chefvideogame]

@@beardalaxy I guess it’s also cause the only 2 smash games I’ve played are Smash 3ds and Ultimate, the 2 games that increased those effects. The lack of effects look better in Melee than they do in Ultimate cause something about it in HDR just looks a little unfinished.

[@YeYe-wd7vq]

​@elijahwilliams9723 to me it makes smash ultimate feel very smooth and clean because theres less lag. Imagine if rocket league had a similar effect as smash ultimate when the ball is hit, the game would feel more clunky

[@chefvideogame]

⁠@@YeYe-wd7vqIt’s less about performance and more about visual flare. Rocket League and Smash Ultimate were built with specific visual effects in the game. To add or remove core visual effects like these makes them look off. Mods that change multiple things usually do so to make part of the experience feel different. HDR is mainly focused on gameplay, so it just feels like a huge gameplay update. However, since the game still feels like Smash Ultimate, it’s looks off when something like the visual effects are missing from it.

[@YeYe-wd7vq]

@@chefvideogame oh iirc the reason i mentioned how clunky it would feel is because the game has some sort of lag in hits which contributes to the total frames of lag so they completely removed it, but that type of lag is what makes moves feel strong. i guess they would make it strong if possible but couldnt

[@Kade503]

It's a shame to know that this can never become a game with a decent sized competitive scene thanks to Nintendo.

[@SuperCrazyfin]

I mean it can be, just make it its own game.

[@VapodubzSSBM]

14:37 I too would be happy if they brought back one of the best anti -air moves.

[@ChronoSquare]

26:12 I was half expecting the buff to be that Snake had his butt restored

[@funnyusername4774]

Ik nobody cares but the miis did not just get minor adjustments, moves like warrior wave and shock spell are completely new and Gunner fair, bair, and dair can all be charged for a stronger hit, bigger hitboxes, and to blast yourself in the opposite direction (and you also have a hitbox on you during this)

[@yoder6162]

I actually really like this concept for Robin in this game. Personally, I would like to change Robin's run animation to how he/she moves across the map in Awakening and take the book and tome out of their hands.

[@RiahGreen]

It's so cool that robin won our last major! :)

[@RaijinRift]

The sonic changes made me too happy thank you

[@UltraNurture]

I didn’t know to much about HDR, but I’ve always been interested in it. This video definitely is a great resource of a lot of the changes, great job!

[@JoshSaysStuff]

I’m SO happy to see a good version of Duck Hunt in a Smash title, even if it’s just a mod.

[@nonplayercharacter12333]

The only adjustment Snake needs is his cake. He's 99% perfect.

[@adamskvorak6865]

Great video. I don't have access to HDR but I'm interested in all the changes, and I've been trying to find this exact video for a while - there's surprisingly no concise content about HDR character changes on KZbin, and this video was really well executed and edited.

[@Minty_Meeo]

13:46 I have been waiting for so long for a Smash Bros. mod to give Bowser the wind-up punch from Mario & Luigi: Bowsers Inside Story. It's so cool!

[@tetros5265]

I may be misremembering, but I thought definitely yoshi, and ness/lucas had double jump cancels.

[@dumithegreat3892]

you right

[@RiahGreen]

Sure do! so does peach, sora and uhh some other character I'm forgetting probably.

[@Amoro22]

​@@RiahGreenmewtwo as well

[@foggy8298]

Listing changes ultimate made as changes this mod made is kinda funny

[@ZachHonest]

It is, mendella efffect lol.

[@melee9183]

An hour long of content is prob the most honest thing ive seen

[@the3dluxe53]

The new megaman dash attack looks like a reference to the break dash weapon from Megaman 5 on the Gameboy.

[@aviator2777]

Glad to see that hdr isn't totally married to the idea of making every character work like melee. Its not like melee players are even gonna switch to p+, let alone hdr, so you might as well try something new. One of my only gripes with pm/p+ is that it tries to be like melee to a fault, porting some of melee's really dumb stuff that shouldn't be there like peach dsmash or the entirety of puff

[@RiahGreen]

It's not that P+ devs want to cater to melee heads, it's that (at least in the early days of 2015ish) the dev team WAS the melee heads. HDR feels like an exciting middle ground of all sorts of ideas across the series. stuff like smash 4 marth jab is in and it is SICK.

[@hassoncarmon5779]

As long as it opens more combo opportunities then I'm ok with melee rendition of characters semi returning I just wish meta knight had more range again

[@BronzeAgePepper]

not sure what you mean by the entirety of Puff, she's basically a non-entity in P+ just as she is in official games that aren't Melee (she's a LITTLE better in Ultimate than Brawl or Sm4sh but not by much, and conceptually she hasn't changed a lot from "gutted version of Melee moveset"). HDR Puff feels closer to Melee than any other official or modded game, she actually feels like a contender but there's just so many characters in it she probably still has some big problem matchups If you think Puff needs a "modernized" update to her moveset instead of being a borderline toxic floaty, with moves like some bizarre Fighter Kirby clone that blows up some characters and has to fly away and run out the clock against others, I can agree with that. Especially now that she's gotten a brand new Pokemon typing for like a decade now.

[@monarchy028]

I’m gonna watch this entire video, but I’m immediately going to robin to see how good my boy is YEAH BABY, MY BOY IS FINALLY GOOD!!!!!!

[@FL-uj7cs]

They need to give Zelda PM Din's Fire. Without a hitbox before detonation, the HDR Din's is a huge nerf. Making detonation time-based and taking control away from a player is never an improvement. Every HDR Zelda video I've watched, the opponent is playing around the Din's because the timing is so predictable. Also, petition to buff Snake's cake.

[@ShadeVial]

Idk why everyone anyways wants to change links moveset, links moveset like IS the reason i ever turn on smash over another platform fighter anymore. I like heavy characters, swordies, trap characters, and boomarang is my favorite move like ever. And smash is the only place i can seem to find even half of those traits on one character.

[@samgregg7272]

i kinda dont like some of the changes. i know new moves might not have the best animations, but seeing chars like pikachu and DDD just get a standard kick back air, it looks pretty bad, especially when the ultimate animations are great. there is a balance between what to change and again i'm not expecting insanely polished animations from a fan mod

[@rosestrohm7986]

They wanted to make ultimate into melee, shitty animations and lack of hit effects included

[@Amoro22]

​@@rosestrohm7986 theyre adding mechanics from other smash games, not just melee. Hell even incineroar has hitfalling from rivals of aether. Marth just got smash 4 jab back

[@hassoncarmon5779]

​@@rosestrohm7986as long as those new ""shitty animations"" make the characters more fun to play I'm all for it screw 90% of sonics and pikachu's moves

[@thedapperdolphin1590]

You could already change Peach’s F-Smash in Ultimate

[@Bokobb_Edits]

I would love more HDR content as it’s so cool to see how these characters change. Especially as a dedede main seeing him with his brawl back air is beautiful

[@calhughes6159]

Making me want to play HDR after not wanting to play HDR? This man is crazy

[@noether5]

Thanks for making this, really makes me want to try out HDR. Now if only it was as accessible as PM… You can take stage-builder it’s fine lmao.

[@SuperMSL]

You could always tilt the stick while charging a F-Smash with Peach to determine what kind of attack you were going to do in Ultimate. ???

[@ZachHonest]

I added that in the description

[@beardalaxy]

I love HDR so much. I can't play Smash any other way without feeling like something is missing now. The team has done some crazy work over the years.

[@toonatic220]

Worth the wait love the video merry Christmas

[@BobzBlue]

robin gettin close and personal with the cameraman

[@CrumbCCM]

You are the top of top youtubers when it comes to smash content. Like at least top 3. Thanks for an hour of HDR content, just got into the game and I think its my favorite version of smash.

[@HMZeroTwo]

Mega Man's dash attack is the Break Dash from Mega Man V, awesome

[@gridenboat]

Finally, the big kahuna the wopper, the big mac, and the other food puns, I was going to make this going to be insane. You're an insanely hard worker. zack, this content needs to blow up faster, lol.

[@666blaziken]

The mad man did it! I can't wait to show this off to my HDR friends!

[@POTANK-lb4md]

The king dedede back air change ain't it

[@pulsetone]

the only HDR youtuber we need

[@MilfSlayr]

some more would be nice aswell ofc

[@Zeevolts]

No love for Simon. Everyone’s always on Richters Richard.

[@Zeevolts]

Simons the better Belmont too lmao

[@geschnitztekiste4111]

Ganon deserves his electric Tennisball also I wish Wario could move while having grabbed someone, that way it could feel much more like WarioLand

[@lukasoliverleo3730]

Did you forget that Robin's meter is in the Base game? Or is there something I'm missing here?

[@luisamadocerrillos9546]

You forgot to metion that luigi dashgrab is thetter grab and normal grab its melee grab

[@blankgaming1215]

My bro you can always change peaches f smash by tilting the control stick

[@locknessmonster3827]

Thabj you so much! I have been looking for something like this for a while.

[@yungmuney5903]

40:00 its so baffling cause Robin literally floats in her reveal trailer. 😂

[@samtater3855]

Let’s gooo hour long honest vid!!!

[@SkaiCyan]

"I don't know about most of these changes." /Steve nerfs/ "These are amazing actually."

[@erickkao1351]

Not gonna lie, Little Mac up-tilt in HDR is actually busted beyond human comprehension. By mashing up on the c-stick, you get: - a move that combos - a move that covers ALL tech options, including roll away - a move that combos into itself - a move that does INSANE amounts of damage - a move that's SO disjointed, it either trades or outright beats a lot of other disjointed moves INCLUDING sword moves - a move that has little to no end-lag - a move that rewards spamming in neutral because it's almost impossible to punish and leads to massive rewards - a move that's SAFE ON SHIELD - a move that hits so far ahead and behind him that it's a legitimate strategy to spam this on shield unless they have a frame 6 or faster OOS option

[@The_SOB_II]

hdr dev team healed my soul by removing little mac's super armor the guy cannot tank hits in punches out

[@SchizoCannibal]

For a 5'6 109lbs 17yr old, he can definitely tank punches. Especially Considering he fought Mike Tyson and a Donkey Kong. But I do like that they removed it regardless. Random super armor pisses me off lol

[@nicholasstocker8864]

Nintendo: That’s cool! See you in court!

[@Ghee_Buttersnaps]

Nintendo team planing out Smash 6: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!

[@RiahGreen]

not even! modders do what nintendon't :)

[@deathblowringo4168]

Don't tell me Pichu's discharge state is based of Super Smash Flash 2 where if it takes 50% or more in a single stock, Pichu goes into its Discharge state giving stronger special moves and Forward Smash.

[@FinalLychee]

Honestly Dark Pit's "shine" should just be the standard for Pit as well.

[@SoshiTheYoshi]

I guess you could say the Duck Hunt Duo is… top DOG here!

[@schaffs2]

I don't like how there's no effects when you hit your opponent, and also the way players get launched doesn't look right I feel like this was done to feel like Melee, but I think having the way Ultimate looks with the effects and the way players get launched should be there bc there's more ways to feel like Melee if that's what they want

[@Amoro22]

the knockback changes were made to make comboing more consistent, every smash game before ultimate had slower knockback.

[@WildFox-h1u]

The addition of PM Lucario lowkey sold me on this mod

[@JosepiThe13th]

Robin has always had a meter in Ultimate lol. And Ken, Ryu, and Terry can all already cancel most of their moves in Ultimate.

[@krooga_]

he didn't explain it well but they changed how fgc characters move cancelling work. in base ult they can only cancel specific normals into specials, but in hdr they can cancel also normals into other normals

[@LimitlessZspeed]

Honestly, I could definitely See myself Trying out more then my Top 8 Characters, With these Reworks, a lot of these characters feel really Unique & clean Now. That’s just me,

[@zachstarattack7320]

HOW DO YOU KEEP MAKING SUCH GOOD VIDEOS SO FAST?!?! ITS ALMOST ASUMSAUS TIER BUT 100X MORE UPLOADS!!

[@undercovertoni]

the videos background content feels really random at times, or the pacing doesn’t match what you’re saying. just a small critique to an otherwise cool video!

[@JinsainYT]

How does one start playing? Great video. I was falling off with Smash, but this seems very cool!

[@mq8858]

I'll probably never play this, but this was an hour well spent

[@VideoCentral-bh9tf]

The gunner changes are insane actually. That down air is so so much better, the missile is a bit slow imo, but might work. The nade angle change is way better than most may think, that does so, sooooo much for gunner, and then they made vortex just insane, it looks fuckin absurdly busted, and it already kinda was to begin with tbh

[@cronaxblade]

THEY PUT SKY SANCTUARY AS A NEW STAGE!!! HELL YEAH

[@RiahGreen]

We just got pumpkin hill for it as an alt too :)

[@eaa1338]

5:32 I’m pretty sure that lucario also had a custom special like that in sm4sh.

[@WhoDman]

48:31 uhhhhhhhh K. Rool never had a boxing glove on back air, unless that was in a previous version of hdr that I’m unfamiliar with. It’s not in vanilla altimeter either.

[@ZachHonest]

lol I think I had PMEX on my mind there, minor mistake.

[@YahiamiceLIVE]

would've been funny if steve wasn't nerfed to oblivion; everyone else's substantial buffs seem to offer enough options to counter him anyway

[@Fran_5]

I need the HDR team to change Dark Pit's dash attack into a roundhouse kick.

[@kazumamon]

This is the Video we all needed for HDR

[@vachder7350]

unrelated to the video content but your sweater is really cool

[@ManuelMendez-it8nt]

Samus' smash 4/ultimate nair is a move that I like a lot more than the sex kick, animation wise

[@silvesta5027]

I wish I could play HDR. But my switch is patched so I cant! I'm so upset!! But great video btw! HDR is so cool and I'm really glad that put the time and effort in to cover the game

[@ericnzau2393]

You should also upload a video showing characters with different costumes and all the stage differences

[@MikeDaddyMCS]

Dark Samus’ new Side Special and Neutral Special are based off of custom moves from Smash For

[@isaacbunsen5833]

What about Zelda's recovery length?

[@HACSSuperbMiner]

I love the adjustments to Sonic’s kit, but I feel that G&W changes were unnecessary. Seems like a lot of stuff was done just because “well project m did it so it’s clearly better”

[@MarioGamer180]

HDR Mac sounds so boring to me… I get what they were trying to do by making a character not suck but they are also taking away what made him unique. People always go in the most basic direction of making his air game stronger like if it’s the only way to make him better where I feel like nobody has tried to make his ground game better by experimenting and figuring out what it needs.

[@dumithegreat3892]

this is such cap. if you’ve played HDR Mac, you’ll understand why the changes made to him are so sick. they gave him so much sauce

[@RiahGreen]

I fight the best HDR mac multiple times a week and this character does NOT suck. He is awesome. His ground game is so insanely better because of the engine allowing him to turn around during initial dash. that alone makes him excellent, but that's ignoring the plethora of other universal movement mechanics. He's even still got trample and he's got stuff like a frame 1 jab (VERY STRONG IN THIS GAME) and one of the best shield pressure games in the cast. his combos are great, his finishers kill you mega dead, and his recovery is actually about average now. If you let him get in on you, you've already fucked up.

[@hassoncarmon5779]

Mac is actually really good now im sorry if this sounds rude, but some of you people need to learn that unique characters who suck is not a good way to design characters.

[@RiahGreen]

@@hassoncarmon5779 He's also getting an insane grab game now. Also, on the topic of his aerials. They're actually still not great on their own. They shine when you use them to get your opponent back to the ground so you're in your ideal position again.

[@Jetsplit]

YESSSS MY MOST ANTICIPATED VIDEO! Merry Christmas Honest!

[@Skaar316]

Shouldn't Dr.Mario put people to sleep instead of freeze them?

[@funkymon1251]

This was.a fun watch!

[@LashingAztecYT]

I am glad they changed ridley more. They made his down b nore useful and changed his down air

[@Snozzer]

Frankly I don't see that much of a visual difference with High Dynamic Range enabled here...

[@ArizonaHDR]

good stuff man

[@NoahW-f3r]

Ganondorf is now awesome as hell damn

[@kindalllowder3595]

Did all of my mains get buffed? Let's go!

[@Tuskingan]

Bro make more HDR content the new updates are sick and more people need to hop on

[@k-leb4671]

I never understood the appeal of wavedashing, at least for this game, but it's really cool to see a bunch of moveset changes in Ultimate, especially to the echo fighters. Not a fan of Mario's down b though. F.LU.D.D. is more unique and more iconic in my opinion.

[@Amoro22]

wavedashing allows you to get on and off platforms quickly, mix up your movement, move without comitting to jump, etc.

[@k-leb4671]

@@Amoro22 Yeah but it just looks dumb. I have plenty of fun moving my characters as it is. I don't enjoy seeing the characters constantly not using their run animation despite moving around quickly. At least in Melee, it's an old game with simpler (and, to be honest, kinda ugly) graphics so there isn't as much dissonance.

[@RiahGreen]

@@k-leb4671 Whether you like the visual aspect of it or not, having it is better than not having it. Comp players enjoy it a lot, and if you're playing casually with your friends you can always just not do it :)

[@Amoro22]

​@@k-leb4671 then dont wavedash. Wouldnt you rather everyone have options you dont have to use, than not have it at all?

[@hassoncarmon5779]

​@@k-leb4671oh no let's get rid of the movement tech that adds much more movement variety and combo capabilities because it looks dumb. Bro even in normal smash you're jumping twenty four seven anyways who actually gives a shit about running animations

[@GoodFuude]

My normal ass thought this was going to be a video in "High Dynamic Range" ‼️ 😂

[@olburgle2841]

12:21 How is that changed exactly from Ultimate? Like how the directions needed to bring out which weapon?

[@dumithegreat3892]

nah, this is a base Ult thing. no difference in HDR, iirc

[@bb12448]

This is the lightspeed dash, from sonic adventure.

[@DSBerner2288]

I see you, trying to sell the fact that somehow Mac isn't worse than in Ultimate. Adding some knockback on aerials is good, but nerfing everyone else's recovery doesn't buff Mac, his recovery is still trash. Taking away his armor just speaks to "we don't care about Mac, we're just annoyed he can power through things as we dominate him.. What if he couldn't? Viola! Balanced character".

[@gamesincharacter5106]

37:50 39:05 as a Robin and palutena main i really love the new updates to these characters