How Far Away are we from a Real Version of Upload?

[@PalmelaHanderson]

"Someone will eventually be the last person to die" is a striking concept, no matter which scenario in which it occurs.

[@BojanMilic84]

"mr nobody" is trippy movie about that. give it a watch.

[@leighpowell1062]

Well Danny won't die

[@LordKerry]

Will the last person to die, please make sue the lights are turned off and the gas has been turned off as well

[@SpencerGD]

@@BojanMilic84 watched it years ago. Solid movie. The most striking memory of that movie that stands out is the mashed potatoes & sauce (ketchup?) mixing scene.

[@Vincent-2057]

Like a reverse children of men.

[@ryospeedwagon1456]

Altered Carbon is a good show that touches base on just this circumstance - that your consciousness and memories can be stored on data disks and uploaded to new host bodies. It’s quite good.

[@rodepet]

I saw a bit of an anime? Mecha? Series that toutched on this and the idea of copies corrupting as well. Altered carbon was really cool as well, was really sad when there wasn't any more

[@jomckellan]

season 1 is good

[@zackfox5222]

I think it is unlikely to actually be in our lifetime, but we also went from horse and buggy to landing a man on the moon in 83 years...so I'm not sure if it's possible to calculate the rate at which technology will advance and the human race as a whole. As long as there's support for space exploration and a love for the sciences, I think anything could be possible.

[@GJMEGA1]

We went from the first heavier than air flight to landing on the moon in 66 years, 1903-1969. The fact that theoretically a person could have watched both events is wild to me.

[@GJMEGA1]

@Amethyst Yeah, there's a BIG difference between heavier than air flight and the preceding lighter than air flight and it annoys me that seemingly 90% of the population doesn't get that.

[@amandajones661]

@@GJMEGA1 I adore geeky answers like this. 💙

[@GJMEGA1]

@@amandajones661 Why thank you! :)

[@Max-hw7xl]

at the rate computing power is increasing, we will be able to scan a full human brain in real time and save all info in the coming 50 years easy. in the early 2000s the human genome project did in decades what can now be done in days if not hours... map a person's entire genome

[@pamelamays4186]

Someday there'll be a plan in place to clone Simon's brain, which will mean an infinity of sweet KZbin content.

[@KiwiTigress]

To be honest, I think he's halfway there on his own. 😂

[@timhocking529]

Who’s to say that hasn’t already happened. He has like a septillion channels.

[@Vincent-2057]

Well, at least I'll have infinity to watch them all... Might be able to keep up then. Cos I struggle now. And I'm not subscribed too all channels.

[@PetrSojnek]

To be completely fair, we need brains of his writers. Simon can be simply created by today's technology: CG talking head reading script written by writers :D

[@aaronkent1741]

@@PetrSojnek haha poor Simon 😂

[@fraustedwhite]

Wouldn't it be rich if we got everyone's consciousness uploaded and then a massive solar flare occurred. Doh!

[@dougwalker4944]

... waiting for that 'Carrington Event'! .gotta love living in the end times. 🙏

[@furiouskaiser9914]

The book series by Tad Williams called Otherland is a good Sci fi romp about some rich dudes making super advanced computer realities that they planned to upload themselves into for "immortality" and some common folk accidently get sucked into it and see the crazy worlds the rich people created as their own little "slices of heaven".

[@jeffreypeters8446]

One of the most (if not the most) thought provoking video you, or anyone else, has ever done!! I’m a little frightened right now! Keep up the great work!

[@scienceunbound460]

Thank you! :)

[@ThatWriterKevin]

Glad you enjoyed and are scared!

[@rachelwitherspoon4394]

I wasnt getting notifications for this channel, but I fixed that! Thanks for the great script Kevin, and great read Simon! Perfect mix of science and insanity!

[@ThatWriterKevin]

Thanks! I knew this one would be fun since Simon and I have very different views on whether uploading our minds would be a good idea or not

[@Sleepy.Time.]

can only imagine the trade off of endless ads being shown just to cover the storage costs

[@FluffyEmmy1116]

The idea of a bit flip in this context absolutely scares me... Thanks...

[@unfortdork]

The Bobiverse series is sooooo good, and really delves into this in an intelligent way. When it starts discussing quantum mechanics in replication, yum!

[@PoleTooke]

That book is good and tackles serious topics...? I've been avoiding it cuz it's named, ya know.. "Bobiverse." Figured it's just some kids book or something.

[@That_vagabond98]

Feeling blessed to witness Simon give birth to another amazing KZbin channel ❤ congratulations on the newest addition to the family 😂

[@Battle_Beard]

The sci-fi book series The Hyperion Cantos preconditioned me to scoff at the concept of replicating human consciousness. That book series is extremely interesting, well worth looking into for anyone who likes this sort of stuff as well as a variety of other thought provoking topics interspersed with extreme violence and tech geek theories.

[@ButWhyWasTaken]

3:53 Simon's mind: _"What is Fullmetal Alchemist? WTF has that to do with Homunculi? Why the seven deadly sins? What is happening in this script???"_

[@lizdierdorf]

“because nobody likes homonculi” I looooved that FMA reference!!! ❤️

[@ThatWriterKevin]

Thanks!

[@JargonThD]

One of the most earthshaking books I've read is Ray Kurlweil's The Singularity is Near. Kurzweil's a mathematician above all else, and the introduction to this book was electrifying. It explains how technology progresses, and how we fail to perceive it accurately because we are hardwired to conceive linearly. (This is my layman's takeaway and may not accurately reflect Kurzweil's actual theses.) We look at points on a graph and see straight lines. Even when these line go up, we still intuitively project the next point to be on a straight line continuation. This is why it is ill-advised to say something as "far-fetched" as digitizing consciousness is hundreds of years away. One moment to the next, we are in a period where it is impossible to say what will be appearing out of labs around the world ... things "baking" for decades finally coming into manifestation as products we can use, yet did not even think we might want, need or have even yesterday. Has someone found a breakthrough to something we have thought unlikely for decades, but it is still in a lab being verified ... and to be unveled tomorrow? Every day this is more and mor true, and that's the nature of exponential discovery and development. We find the forecasts of Gene Roddenberry's original Star Trek series as being quaint compared to what we actually live with today ... then we turn around and in the next breath say, 'This cannot happen soon,' similarly failing to account for the multiplying, stacking effect of actual progress. Cheers.

[@lasikreiser561]

If i may recomend the game Soma that deals with the exact same topic. It will blow your mind, give you nightmares and existencial crisis.

[@endearingteacup]

Leaving on that note was very good. 💪🏽🔥😅

[@LordKerry]

We could build a new "Seed Bank" to store the brains

[@jasonhindle4054]

Gradual replacement of the brain with nanotech is the most likely stepping stone. Once you have a thing that was replaced without never really dying, you have a universe of possibilities.

[@AvoidTheCadaver]

A cyberbrain of sorts a La ghost in the shell

[@brandonfranklin4533]

I think the uploaded mind would be a separate stream of consciousness from our own. I doubt very seriously that we could migrate our own experience into a digital world .

[@mackenzieallen]

ship of theseus, replace one neuron at a time until your brain is 100 percent artificial

[@kieronparr3403]

Please don't make me live forever

[@rafaelbrisolara7599]

Now I'm curious if it was Simon who watched FMA or he was only reading from the script 😆

[@rahmadrenaldi2624]

probably Danny the one that watch it and write it on the script. Simmon doesn't watch anime.

[@scienceunbound460]

What's FMA?

[@ThatWriterKevin]

@@scienceunbound460 The anime Full Metal Alchemist

[@rafaelbrisolara7599]

@@scienceunbound460 I think you would probably like it 😆

[@rodepet]

FMA is so awesome!

[@jackroyaltea5034]

Thanks Simon. Accepting the existential horror and dread of my fragile and very mortal body was exactly what I needed to go into my consulting firm and motivate my employees to do a good job. I mean why not? Everything is meaningless and we’re all going to die.

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

Sounds good, when do I start?

[@chrislecky710]

Individually conscious yet collectively subconscious, switch them around and humanity has overcome a great filter.

[@Mrcharrio]

The opportunities are practically endless, but then you clicked the Terms of Service and Usage Agreement and your possibilities will be to only what they allow.

[@Amlaeuxrai]

FINALLY a new Whistleboi channel! We went almost for 3 months or so without one. Could this be the start of a second Five-Year Plan?

[@mercuryvincent6796]

Jusr discovered this new series of Simon's ever increasing YT Empire and Simon is totally unhinged and raised to level 11!!

[@CashelOConnolly]

Brain Blaze,geographies and the history channel all hacked

[@fanficfan8599]

That's even assuming that the consciousness is in the mind if not you just have a super high resolution picture of a human brain.

[@andycampbell2787]

I agree with you Simon. Black Mirror "White Christmas" scarred the sh*t out of me too...

[@pandorasbox4238]

I've already picked out how I want my robot self to look like. When it comes to immortality - I also already have a plan for that, too. I want to learn everything is.

[@jofbeats11]

Mortality gives meaning to life. Your brain, conscience, and soul existence isn't a piece of material to be transferred to a non living machine. And why would anyone want to live forever in world yet alone a universe where it has its own expiration date and dies someday. Enjoy the one life your blessed of having.

[@davidboysel4509]

What happens when an EMP disables all the super computers and technology that this would rely on

[@BluePhoenix7373]

8:30 Hey, bit flips! I just learned about those on another really cool channel. 😃

[@ThatWriterKevin]

A funny thing happens when one person rights on multiple channels!

[@DaveSandine]

Being apart of the last generation that will have consciousness die is just my luck.

[@robertwalker-smith2739]

Old aphorism: if the brain was simple enough for us to understand, it would be too simple for us to understand it.

[@h0ckeyd]

There is an emmy-nominated episode of Stargate S-G1 that covers something like this...Lifeboat it's called. Well worth checking out.

[@biggybro4124]

Sg1 was so fun

[@h0ckeyd]

@@biggybro4124 That one also touched on mental health and split personalities (which, of course could happen if such a system malfunctioned) but SG-1 was very fun!

[@amandajones661]

The graphics on the channel are amazing!

[@alexanderfreeman]

I don't think this would lead to risky behavior because it wouldn't really make you immortal. It would simply create a digital clone of you with all your memories. That clone would be still be a completely separate person. You yourself would still be dead.

[@dylanharkavy4589]

Simon, "Fall; or, Dodge in Hell" by Neal Stephenson is everything you've just discussed. A fascinating read.

[@Jaydee-ug7zp]

Reminds me of that scene from RoboCop 2 where the dead cops wake up as robots and go crazy!

[@danielreuben1058]

I'm glad I found an 'amusing' channel you do. I wonder if you do it more for yourself, than for others. Let's face it Simon, some of your channels, while still awesome, are a bit of a downer; to put it lightly. You also mentioned, 'electric sheep', which is from Phillip K. Dick's story, "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?" You mentioned him in a video the other day, but you had no idea who he was. Keep this channel humming. It's great.

[@ThatWriterKevin]

I believe that was over on Decoding the Unknown with the Froese e-mails? I wrote both of those which is probably why. Simon has definitely never watched FMA either, but thanks to us writers he can continue to drop pop culture references he doesn't understand!

[@danielreuben1058]

@@ThatWriterKevin yes, I think you are correct. So many channels. It's hard to keep track.

[@grega9603]

The only problem is is that new one you or just a copy of you. You would probably close your eyes and never wake up while a copy takes your place. I would want to be awake and experience the whole process so I know I am the one in the new body.

[@musicman3825]

This is the only episode I'd say the pessimism about the core concept is overblown.

[@valerielhw]

I would only agree to have my mind uploaded after death if I were guaranteed the power to end my existence when I choose.

[@Jose-tl6uy]

I can't remember the name of it, but simons point about our generation probably being the last people who die reminded me about this science fiction short story I once read which explored that concept.

[@spyderhobit]

Better put in my will to get cryogenically frozen. Best chance to make it to that upload future

[@justwannabehappy6735]

It cost a lot to be honest.

[@christopherwright6811]

Another channel this man is insane in the best possible way

[@HoundMonkey]

Altered Carbon on Netflix amazing show with great actors fantastic concepts and a disturbingly realistic depiction of the future that felt possible.

[@613aristocrat]

The most science fictiony thing I would love IRL would be those medical scanners, like medical tricorders from Star Trek. Or even the machines from Firefly.

[@Indywhip007]

Could you have ended with a bigger bummer!? 😂. Great video though, seriously love your content!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@wtfpwnz0red]

Babe wake up, the new Simon Whistler channel just dropped

[@barry99705]

Another good book series related to this is "We are Legion, We are Bob" by Dennis E. Taylor.

[@5tealthlab5]

Love this new format, certainly arouses ones scenes.

[@aaronmason4379]

I'm personally looking forward to a "Ghost in the shell"-like future. But...I won't live anywhere near that long.

[@NainakaiAyita]

Just adding my comment here for posterity! Hello to you, future people that don’t die anymore! We existed once upon a time.

[@Vincent-2057]

This is why when describeing black mirror I call it "techno horror"

[@koreanpathfinder]

"Use poor people. It's risky, but worth it." - Simon Whistler

[@Mayor_Of_Eureka17]

EA would find a way to make you pay micro transactions to change skins or advance in your Upload life. The bastards.

[@Payne_]

You absolutely got it right. I’m playing Russian Roulette all fckn day and finally try some LSD

[@rodepet]

Are we a cult yet? Just following our leader whatever he does? Absolutely love this new channel, topic and vibe! Keep it up💜

[@lishlash3749]

Thanks for your thorough debunking of yet another simplistic science fiction fantasy.

[@emark8928]

The lede that always gets buried in this discussion is the fact that an upload is a copy. In other words, your consciousness would not be transferred into the cloud; you would keep living your ordinary life. Unless you are killed in the process, in which case...you'd be dead.

[@robertmills538]

The place where hopes and dreams go to die......and be poked with a stick

[@ianmurphy9955]

Gotta say I love this channel

[@samham3408]

Who decided on those numbers. Secret Simon of saturn. Thirds of C and our spiraling destiny. Cant touch, cant taste.

[@dannymaurice5543]

With your sheer output we might actually need a clone or two of you to maintain consistency

[@victoriaeads6126]

4:10 " no one likes homunculi" PREACH! Those things are terrifying and disgusting.

[@crystalmcnees3062]

I feel like this destroyed Simon’s hopes of living for eternity

[@scienceunbound460]

I'm still hopeful.

[@jlbay1]

@@scienceunbound460 I believe the plan is to be frozen until they can fix things? Seems like a frozen brain could be scanned just as easily as a living one no? Of course, you best pump out the maximum in YT vids to avoid being one of the poor frozen plebes they experiment on first! You want that sweet upper tier of frozen brain to ensure security & unlimited data for your upload!

[@stipe3124]

@@scienceunbound460 Memory of past life is better option if it is real, Every time you fuck up nature gives you another chance

[@worst.username._ever]

All this and no mention of Neal Stephenson's "Fall, or Dodge in Hell" which adrresses everything here and even more like what it might be like to come online as a simulation of an incomplete brain

[@mlee6050]

At least Simon should life on so future generations don't miss out getting fresh content from best KZbinr

[@XentorAntarix]

If this would be possible I would put my mind in a spaceprobe and explore the universe. Like in the bobbyverse Sage.

[@CommonSenseBodybuilding]

This was my thought about it all… a scan of a brain who believes they are you would not be you as your old brain and body still exist, though they would think they were a continuation of you you would in fact not experience those events of the afterlife and so would die, even if your copy is awakened

[@Reddotzebra]

The big thing to note here is that it would still be an authentic recreation. Even if that were possible, it wouldn't be your consciousness that gets uploaded, it would be a copy of you that remembers what it was like to be uploaded. And now we get to the next thorny bit of philosophical debate. This is part of why so many sci fi authors love to make the process lethal to the original, because in that way it will make no difference to everyone that remains, the copy of you on the computer is going to think it's the original no matter what, and it would be indistinguishable from you to any outside observer. But in order to believe that your organic brain dying while being uploaded would result in the consciousness that you had before actually continuing on in digital form would require that you also believe that consciousness is an external process that merely runs on different kinds of hardware, and can be transferred from one to another. A more palatable way to pull this off might instead be to have tiny robots that replace neurons in your brain with artificial equivalents as the originals die off naturally, but that technology is much, much farther off if it will ever be possible.

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

Like "Ship of Thesus"-ize your brain? That's kinda interesting, hadn't heard that suggested yet. But yea, to the first part of your comment, its like teleportation. The teleported "version" would swear it was the original person. But it could(would) be a copy of the person with all of the memories and the belief it is the actual person. Yet the original consciousness "dies."

[@sionettastreaming1265]

1000 points Full Metal Alchemist reference!

[@dio_Brando1888]

I'll be down for this if it was within my lifetime

[@dntkatz]

Simon If you would like a case study of this it is available. EVE online is basically this in an online game. I once was a player, but the criminal aspect (as why work for it when you can just steal it) became more than my small brain could conform too.

[@antonw6082]

I wonder if Elon will hijack this channel next.

[@AndrewMitchell123]

Simon, you must play Soma to see the hypothetical implications of this... I played it, still haunts me to this day

[@grenvallion]

Who knows what tech will do within the next 10 years. I'm 33 now, and I had a brand new Nokia 3410 when I was 14. That wasn't very long ago, and tech since then has increased monumental amounts

[@ClellBiggs]

I didn't know they had added a second season. I liked it so I just assumed it was cancelled like all the other shows I like. Glad to hear they made another one.

[@Andrew-zq3ip]

Mark my words... no one alive will ever be a digital person. The absolute best you will ever have is a digital copy of yourself to carry on thinking it is you. To me, that is no more immortality than a photograph is.

[@TA_Plus_Hemi]

Hi, Cosmic Ray induced bit flip returning your callback

[@agateplanet]

Science Fact: Simon Whistler: " We will soon be able to enjoy immortality in Skyrim." Can't wait Fact Boi . The most upbeat news I have ever heard ! Thank you Sir !!!

[@antonw6082]

And now highlight history

[@ignitionfrn2223]

2:30 - Chapter 1 - The brain 7:20 - Chapter 2 - Technological estimates & hurdles 9:55 - Chapter 3 - Philosophical & ethical issues

[@thejudgmentalcat]

Ah, Simon...my favorite doomscrolling friend 😳

[@brandongovreau9218]

to fully scan human brain in a perfect quality and have them still be alive you would basically use a summatomic form of energy that's a low frequency to scan each part of the brain one small part at a time for a very long time and it's impossible to download someone's mind to a computer but you can clone someone's mind into a computer but remember emotions are unclonable so you might be causing some chaos if you attempt to that

[@jeanpauldelachaumette2409]

I love how on this channel Simon gives off heavy mad scientist vibes.

[@mirandali1999]

The brain-it’s MENTAL

[@ZOB4]

Poor Factboi is getting hacked on multiple channels at the moment - I don't think this one has enough visibility to get the fake Elon treatment. Good luck Simon, we'll still be here for you when you get it sorted!

[@scienceunbound460]

Urgghghgh, I've had a great morning. Not.

[@PbFoot]

that explains it. i was wondering why elon was on brain blaze. 🤣🤣 didnt actually click to find out.

[@dio_Brando1888]

@@scienceunbound460 hope you can get it fixed soon deep fake elon's getting annoying. Lol but I can't get enough of your videos we're all rooting for you and will be waiting for man good luck.

[@scottrick7321]

"We are Upload of Upload. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be assimilated..."

[@HarryNicNicholas]

when we get to mars i think we'll find it's easier to modify humans than to terraform, for one thing any atmosphere is going to be stripped as soon as it's made, and we already have robots chugging away, we are already working on prosthetics, and gene technology will take less time (how long would it take to make an atmosphere on any planet even if it can retain it). i'm hoping david sinclair gets on with his ten years younger pill, and there are only a few factors than contribute to aging anyway, human / cybernetic / AI combos will be the way to go.

[@galactus414]

I think "The Good Place" season 5 covered the immortality boredom quite well. Give them a way to end it.

[@CashelOConnolly]

Say your brain was hacked 😳🤣

[@LordDragon314]

As a lifelong poor with no family I would volunteer for the prototype

[@scottnunnemaker5209]

I don’t think we are desperate enough for it

[@ncuco]

Only guy talking that i don't need to watch in x2

[@doramelodia565]

Yayy more Simon!