How far can electric cars REALLY go?? We drive 12 in summer conditions until they DIE! | What Car?

[@Adamlllllllllllljjjljljjjjj]

I love how you included the used Tesla model S. Theres multiple electric range test videos online but adding in a high mileage car does make it more interesting

[@GamezGuru1]

for £9000, it's also got more tech than every other new car in this test...

[@ObiePaddles]

NEDC = Not even damn close. WLTP = way less than predicted.

[@USUG0]

on the other hand, most EVs in mixed driving conditions with an overall average speed of 40-45 mph, in mild weather conditions, do achieve real world ranges exceeding WLTP rating

[@chrishart8548]

I actually always exceed the WLTP figure. 80% for me is 286 miles and 100% is 371 miles wltp put it a 339 miles

[@ObiePaddles]

@@chrishart8548 that’s really good. Mixed driving or around town

[@JamesABloomfield]

The best government mandated range test is the American EPA test. It's pretty much spot on correct. If the car you're looking at is sold in the USA go and check what number they quote for that test and you'll have a much more realistic estimate. (Assuming you don't drive it like Verstappen)

[@chrishart8548]

@@ObiePaddles mixed. EV's don't like motorways. Around town I get 5 mls/kw B roads are really good the regen down the hills and when you have to slow down for corners is a game changer. Instead of huge amounts of fuel accelerating, and loads of brake pad wear with all the slowing down. You get neither of these and most of the power used to accelerate gets recaptured. I've got almost 10 miles back on a really big downhill stretch

[@homertrix]

The only test you need is…. can you travel until your next food and/or bathroom break. Can you get enough charge in during that food and/or bathroom break to see you through to the next one. And repeat until you reach your destination. I don’t understand why people are obsessed with range when they should be looking at “does it fit in with my needs”

[@damindra]

food / bathroom break is still shorter than a charge, charging is for people who have all the time in the world LOL

[@RichardButlerUK]

@@damindra when I'm doing the occasional 300 or 400 or 500 mile day trip all by myself, I do find that by the time I've been to the loo, got a coffee and a snack, and then wander back to the car, I do occasionally wish that I had a newer model that charged faster. but when I've got some family or someone from work with me, the charging speed is never the issue

[@jesflynn4048]

@@damindra no it isn't; it's for men with enlarged prostates and women who've had children.

[@kng128]

@@jesflynn4048my wife and 5 and 8 year old daughters go to the bathroom in turn one after the other when at a public rest stop. The car charging handily beats them.

[@st-ex8506]

@@damindra I drive my 2019 Tesla Model 3 both professionally as well as privately quite a bit more than average (20kmiles/year on average). On longer trips, I have NEVER had a problem charging. Only once in over 5 years...and that was back in 2019, when Tesla's Supercharger network was much less developed, did I have to wait a whole 5-10 minutes to access a charger. On average, my trips take 15mn longer, per 300 km increments except for the first one, than with an ICE car. So, you have to be in a real and constant hurry to pass on the huge energy saving that an electric car offers you, especially when charging at a Tesla supercharger when away from home! Charging my Tesla costs me on average 7 TIMES less than fueling the petrol BMW 3-Series it replaced! On average, a €5000/year saving... not to mention the saving on maintenance! The charging routine on long road trips have valuable side benefits: safety and travelling comfort!

[@mitsu.hadeishi]

EV9 is pretty remarkable given the reasonable price and huge size

[@wizzyno1566]

Reasonable price?

[@mitsu.hadeishi]

@@wizzyno1566 There's no other EV of its size and high speed charging even close to that price point

[@robmccafferty7738]

"Wouldn't be safe to run cars totally out of charge on the public road network" Shots fired Matt Watson from CarWow

[@thormaster06]

What i thought immediately!!

[@stevencampbell1150]

Thing I don't understand is they've run the electric cars till they've run out of range on the road before? 🤔

[@kng128]

And don’t forget Kyle Connor at Out of Spec motors. To his part, he has his own diesel generator mounted on a trailer for recovery of dead cars.

[@siraff4461]

From the AA in 2023; "Whilst running out of fuel isn't illegal in itself, under current legislation, drivers can be fined a minimum of £100 and three penalty points if their car obstructs the road as a result of an avoidable breakdown, or if running out of fuel is deemed to result in careless or dangerous driving." Also remember most offences are doubled if its on a motorway. Rightly so too. If you know you're going to run out of fuel you know you're going to be blocking the road. I don't see how ev's are any different.

[@st-ex8506]

@@siraff4461 It's irrelevant. Nobody in their right mind is going to run an electric car until it dies on a motorway!

[@lucasmorse3061]

It should be noted that the Model 3 is on the optional 19 inch wheels, this drops the estimated range by 26 miles on the WLTP cycle, even taking the shortfall in to account that would be an approximate 20 mile range increase in this test and a corresponding increase in efficiency.

[@urbanspaceman7183]

Still only half the range of an average diesel.

[@lucasmorse3061]

@@urbanspaceman7183 at half the cost.

[@sergiuprofiroiu2814]

Yes I have the 18 and I get around 270

[@urbanspaceman7183]

@@sergiuprofiroiu2814 Wow, that's nearly a third of what I get.

[@CrazedCrittic]

@@urbanspaceman7183 who cares about stupid diesels.

[@DanJHayes]

Almost everyone I know who charges at home uses a much cheaper overnight tariff - I think you should quote the 7p per KW/h costs in future.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

How do the 40% of people in the UK who don't have electirc where they park their car manage?

[@DanJHayes]

@@FirstLast-rh9jw Well if they want an EV (and they may not be the best option for many) then they charge using more expensive public chargers or possibly for free at work (like I do). My point is that by only giving the more expensive estimates based on public charging they aren't giving a full picture.

[@FFVoyager]

It's a mix for most - but the longer the range, the less often people would need to charge away from home though.

[@IanBennetts]

I've had a Niro EV for the last two years. I don't have home charging, I certainly don't pay 79p/kWh. In August I drove from West Somerset to York total cost was £34 for 305 miles and that was with 30% SOC on arrival. No waiting for a charger, just charged when we stopped for lunch. I can't even remember the last time I had to wait for a charger.

[@Lewis_Standing]

There's lots of options like across the Kerb solutions like Kerbo charge. Minimal street infrastructure form charging like Trojan energy. Standard on street charging solutions. Charger/ drive sharing solutions. Rapid charging at the supermarket whilst you shop eg Sainsbury's It's very doable, car's are parked for 90% of their life. Just put the chargers where they are parked. Typically it's quite near some electricity already​@@FirstLast-rh9jw

[@UKDagnar]

Never see vids of driving ICE cars till they run out of fuel for some reason. It would be relevant if there wasn't a charging network but there is so these tests are completely irrelevant. Only serve to titillate the anti EV crowd and infuriate EV owners that know the truth. The vast majority of journeys in the UK by all types of car owners is under 35 miles, the only time range matters is if travelling 200 miles plus in which case both EV and ICE cars will usually have to stop for toilet break / food and regularly fill up / charge (honestly how many ICE owners fill their car up and then drive until their fuel warning light comes on?). Recent drive round scotland in EV and every time we stopped for food we plugged in had 20 mins for food etc and came back to a 90%+ charged car, no range issues whatsoever.

[@chapmandu2]

It's nice to see what happens though given it's something that we're never going to actually experience. If I was getting that low I'd redirect to a nearby charger and have a quick 5 minute top up to give me enough to my destination, a bit of an annoying detour but hardly the end of the world.

[@solentbum]

I did a quick retro calculation on the early ICE cars I owned, most had a 'full tank' range of around 250-350 miles. Standard Vanguard , Humber Hawk, Vauxhall VX4/90, Morris 1000 Traveller, Austin A35, and others. We often had range anxiety in the 1960's, there were very few Garages that stayed open after 6pm, even on main roads.

[@angelroms1991]

Rlly? In 3 hour trip you need to stop for toilet and eating and fill up fuel tank? No, thanks.

[@safiullahqureshi3196]

​@@angelroms1991exactly 💯. The EV crowd simply isn't ready to accept the fact that normal ICE drivers can go for 10-12 hours on end without stopping. They just don't want to admit the fact that EVs are bad for road trips, not just because of charging time, but also because chargers are often off the route, and the chargers don't even work many times.

[@ebbonfly]

@@safiullahqureshi3196 Totally unaffordable by most private drivers just look at those prices.

[@silverghini2629]

I pay 6p per kWh overnight with Octopus Intelligent Go EV Saver tariff. The vast majority of my charging is done at this rate. When I travel afar then I sign up to a Tesla membership for non-Teslas and on average pay between 35-45p per kWh. Fuel costs are so low it makes me smile.😀

[@alanrickett2537]

That's because you have a brain and don't make your living selling ice cars

[@Manuel-rl6um]

That means that the £500 cost of electricity they showed for the Model 3 would be around £150 for most people. Nice.

[@LeedsRider]

Can confirm that in my 2024 Tesla Model 3 RWD I'm frequently getting 4.4 m/kWh on longer trips. It's not an anomaly.

[@chapmandu2]

Likewise, my long term average over all driving is 4 mi/kWh on a 72 plate Tesla M3 SR+. Even going to the south of France at autoroute speeds it doesn't drop much below 4 mi/kWh which at 80mph gives 2 hours driving between stops charging from 10-85%. On slow UK motorways can drive well beyond 2 hours between stops if you really want to (I don't).

[@ObiePaddles]

Our Model Y has averaged 4.43 miles / KWh over 2 years and 16,250 miles

[@80y3r9]

Indicated or actually measured?

[@ObiePaddles]

@@80y3r9 that’s the indicated number over the whole cars life. Ive just watched video on indicated results compared with real measure and teslas were within 10%. It’s also what we get on long trips by real measurement. If I take the kw put in over 2 years / total km it’s over 3 m/kwh. HOWEVER that’s total including charging losses , which no one uses for comparisons, and there are so many other uses that change the miles / kWh like sentry mode and lots and lots of dog mode which means it is significantly understated. I don’t have seperate information on the kWh used that isn’t driving.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

at least that's what its telling you.

[@ith-njan-alla-unni]

Please check your calculations for mini cooper. The short fall is 12.8%, not 18 as your table.

[@SirHackaL0t.]

They are well known for miscalculating figures.

[@christophermawdsley7604]

Glad I’m not the only one who spotted this.

[@PoliviosSavva]

They cant do basic math even with calculators,yet they expect us to take them seriously

[@mikemarillion5221]

yeah, their calculations are really bad. should be missing range/total range and it serms they cant even calculate that

[@johnharvey1786]

Also the Audi Q6 is shown as more expensive than anything on the configuration system. This must have everything possible, which includes the Edition 1 Quattro version, 21” wheels and a sunroof, plus all the extra weight items they could add, making the range worse. Then to get up to that price they would have needed to add lots of accessories and service and warrantee packs, etc and even then it’s very difficult to reach this figure. The only Audi Q6 that could cost this much is a fully loaded SQ6. However others have tested the Q6 in real world conditions in slightly colder weather and achieved another 20-25 miles, but may not have used such fully specified cars so the range test is probably reasonably accurate given the fully spec model they used, as all extra weight and larger wheels reduces range.

[@Gdank72]

The ONLY test you need is..... Will it go over 2 hours at motorway speed? Which is yes to almost every EV. As at just over 2 hours the cast majority of people stop for a break. I know the haters will tell me they do 600+ miles without stopping, but the RAC study showed 99% of domestic motoway trips stop somewhere between 2-3 hours of driving. Most EV's will do 20-80% in 30mins. The same RAC report said the average stop time was 30mins. Personally unless I'm eating my stops are 15mins, which 3/4 of time is enough to get me range for the next leg of the trip.

[@markwsf]

Agree.

[@angelroms1991]

Stop "for a break" means 2-5 minutes for toilet. Not 20 minutes looking for chargers, 40 minutes waiting for free space, and at least 30-60 minutes of charging. If you want to convince yourself - you don't need it, you can want whatewer you want. But EVs are not so comfortable as ICE cars in general usage. Hybrids are. So, still waiting for 1000km of real world range and 3-10 minutes charging. Of course all of it must be cheaper then analog ICE car.

[@markcartwright5769]

@@angelroms1991 In my experience - "stop for a break" has the car stationary for about 15 mins - 5 mins for a pee and 5 mins each way to walk across the carpark, through the services (toilets are always right at the back!) and then back to the car. I never stop anywhere with a queue. In 15 mins the car can add a good 100+ miles of range, and given that it's starting with 300 miles from a home overnight charge that's 100 miles on top of 6+ hrs of drive time. So - there is NO extra time charging. In fact, I've spent less time charging over the last 2 years than I have filling with fuel, as when you put petrol in as part of a pee stop you have to go to the petrol station AFTER your pee stop, and stand there filling then paying. With EV it does all that whilst you're walking into the services, peeing and coming back out. Your experience of 20 mins looking, 40 mins waiting and 30-60 mins of charging is simply nowhere near the reality.

[@Rob_Dekker]

Agreed. Nobody stops after a 2-3 hour drive to take a 2-5 minutes break. That’s unhealthy. There are EV’s that can fast charge from 10-80% in 18-20 minutes and give you over 300km of range, which takes about 3 hours to cover.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

@@markcartwright5769 you don't go to chargers with anyt queues? so you drive around to avoid them? and its always amaing how EV shills manage to synchronize wanting a drink, a snack, a break, and to go to the toilet, and charge all at one time in one place.

[@voldar70]

Interesting there is no Tesla Model Y LR in the test, although is the most sold EV. As an advice : post the capacity of the battery in your table.

[@whatcar]

Noted! We have included battery sizes in the written article on our website: www.whatcar.com/news/range-test-how-far-can-electric-cars-really-go/n24836

[@RWBHere]

You can calculate available battery capacities by dividing range by the calculated efficiency. For example, the Audi e-tron did 289 miles at an efficiency of 3 miles per kWh. So 289/3 = 96.333 kWh. The Polestar did 333 miles at 4.2 miles per kWh. So 333/4.2 =79.286 kWh.

[@voldar70]

@@RWBHere So you tell me that they had those numbers you obtained from a simple math as real ? They already made a rounding when they decided to go with one digit efficiency number, and dividing the number brings another error in place. I wish they posted the battery capacity or at least the kWh used.

[@therealgraeme]

Sorry, the BYD is the most sold EV. They overtook Tesla since end of last year.

[@Sal3600]

@@therealgraemeit actually isn’t.

[@turbogeek.421]

That 9-year old, 250k mile Tesla seems to be well worth the money!

[@USUG0]

until something breaks down out of warranty like all luxury cars, it requires luxury repair prices

[@FFVoyager]

@@USUG0 and every charging stop!

[@smithleon]

@@FFVoyager a lot of those older Model S had free super charging for life......but then most people are probably home charging for practically nothing anyway.

[@mkijn999]

​@@USUG0tesla don't make much /any profit from servicing. Prices are reasonable

[@DJIDroneTravel]

@@USUG0Get a Tesla extended warranty 🤪 for it problem solved 👍

[@mikebordin6841]

Kudos to the Renault Scenic, best value for money new EV here at £127 per mile of test range

[@Lkshfglkh]

Use kilometers aswell when on youtube, so the civilized world can relate.😊

[@l4rjy]

Just multiply by 1.6 😂

[@kophotography895]

Those in the civilised world can do maths can't they?

[@sanyk-t6c]

​@@kophotography895what for? People around the globe is watching this channel, people with metric system.

[@Derek_C]

My EV account with Octopus allows me an overnight tariff of 7p per Kwh, all I have to do when I get home for the night is plug the car into the home charger then go into the house. Takes less than a minute & the car takes care of the charging. Next morning take the connector out of the car, close the cover and drive! What I'm saying is that home charging can be less than a third of your quote. Ive enjoyed driving for 50+ years and still am - EV cars can be great, just get the right one 😊

[@Tom-ie3vc]

Nobody charges at home at 22.4p rate.!!! More like 7p. You misleading people here.

[@colonelccccc]

Actually, you are misleading people, if I come home and the battery is flat in the middle of the day, in your scenario I will have to wait until midnight to charge, but if I charge it during the day which I will, since I need to reach a store when it's open, it's going to be 22+p, they are talking about worst case situations here. chill out.

[@thelaserhive3368]

Very true. Also no-one ever runs the battery flat, no Tesla ever charges at Gridserve. The whole test is pretty silly really and mainly geared to try and show EVs in as critical a light as possible. Interesting then that a lot of them still come out of it really well

[@chrisnewman6062]

@@colonelccccc Waiting for midnight isnt as true as you think. Mine has charged at all sorts of times of day depending on grid excess. its quite often electing to start charge at 9pm

[@ewadge]

@@colonelcccccyou are actually proving the same point. What you are illustrating is an exceptional circumstances - happening to come home in the middle of the day on a low state of charge. It is notable because that may happen but it is unusual. Yes, that may happen but in the vast majority of cases you are going to be coming home with about 40% charger and you are going to just plug in and have it charge overnight.

[@C0baltBlueJ]

​@@colonelcccccWhat a strangely specific example. Most people won't come close to running flat on a daily basis, the average daily commute is 20 miles. It's normal to plug in once or twice a week and let the car charge on schedule when rates are cheap. If you need to make a longer journey, you just plug in at a higher state of charge than usual, it's not difficult. I get ~120 miles out of my Leaf and haven't ever had to charge outside of cheap rate hours. I do have to use rapids in public though, but not very frequently and not ever for a full charge.

[@JackMowery-g6o]

tunedbyai AI fixes this. Electric cars' summer range tested.

[@wizzyno1566]

Fixes what?

[@fyve4321]

The Kona had the wrong wheels, top spec can have the smaller wheels on the Advance and gives an extra 37 miles official range. So if you want max range you need the smaller wheels.

[@siraff4461]

What if I like the larger wheels?

[@fyve4321]

@siraff4461 then you get the shorter range.

[@siraff4461]

@@fyve4321 Thats lazy engineering at its best then. The larger wheels mean a greater contact patch per width so they could be narrower for the same amount of grip - as an i3 proves. They do look nice though.

[@fyve4321]

@siraff4461 greater diameter is the issue I think. Common issue in my experience with EVs and ICE cars, although you sometimes have to dig into the owner manuals to find different ranges.

[@siraff4461]

@@fyve4321 The most efficient ev I've ever had was my i3 on its 20's. It was fairly easy to get 5mi/kWh out of that (apart from on fast roads) but the Mini electric I used struggled to even get to 4mi/kWh in the same use on its 16's. The i3's rubber is thin but because of the large diameter has a similar contact patch to a normal tyre on a 13/14 inch rim. People keep talking about making a ground up ev but in reality they are still following many design norms which just aren't relevant for the kind of car they're making. You simply don't need wide rubber on a normal road car if its well designed to make use of thinner stuff.

[@thelaserhive3368]

It’s never a fair comparison if you make a Tesla charge at Gridserve! I guarantee that no Tesla ever charges at Gridserve as Tesla Superchargers are everywhere. That’s simply nonsensical.

[@ISuperTed]

I don’t have a Tesla and even I don’t charge at Gridserve! I pay 44p at a public Tesla supercharger.

[@Lypiatt]

Yep you are right, nonsense to suggest a Tesla charge at Gridserve other than in extremis. It is only one of many frustrations with their’ testing’, for example the Polestar “won” but has a far far larger battery than most of the other cars, so how is it a surprise? Test it against the Tesla AWD LR would make more sense as they’re similar money and similar size.

[@windowsdan1]

This is so true .. I have a Tesla and my local Tesla Supercharger is 22p so better than the home price they quoted! Although charging at home is only 7p for me and not just through the night, as Octopus Intelligent gives you 7p for all the time you charge whether it's during the day or night. They don't talk about any of this!

[@bernardhilton3527]

I charge my Kona at home overnight at 8p/kWh and I suspect that most EV owners do as well.

[@brucet000]

Well, actually you would be wrong then, I've seen many Teslas charging at Gridserve Rugby, there used to be 12 tesla chargers and 12 gridserve chargers and the teslas were nearly always full during the day, with queues, you pay for time.....

[@TheClumsySpectre2]

I have done nearly 10,000 miles this year in my EV and only done about 300 miles using public charger rates. The rest has been on 7p/kWh overnight tariff. Quoting the public charging rates is exactly why people don't see the value in switching and also don't factor in the need to be able to charge at home.

[@edsilvester]

I find it sort of irritating that car journalists are still obsessing over range like it's 2010. Never really crosses my mind these days.

[@peterjones6640]

Although interesting rather than absolute range the most useful statistic presented was efficiency. Be more useful test to take the cars from 100% down to say 10% ( about the limit most EV drivers would take it down to) and then charge back up to 80%, so a comparison of real world driving and the time it takes to fill back up on a typical journey.

[@mattmyers1484]

The video does not highlight the different battery sizes. Not surprising that the larger battery cars go further!!

[@djtaylorutube]

Except that efficiency is key, not just making up for a lack of it with a bigger battery. Early Audi etron for example. Terrible efficiency so just try to sell on battery size. Nobody ever marketed an ICE vehicle on fuel tank capacity.

[@mattmyers1484]

@@djtaylorutube I agree. However they are basing the winner of the test on range and not efficiency. Hence the comment.

[@djtaylorutube]

@@mattmyers1484 yes fair enough. They should provide a cost per mile that goes with that bigger battery, especially when efficiency is key. MPG was always marketed and discussed with ICE.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

dohhh..... did you miss the efficiency column and the chat about efficiency?

[@mattmyers1484]

No. Clearly not read the comments. The winner of the test was based on range, not efficiency!

[@mikadavies660]

I think it was an impressive result for the Renault. The Scenic is a very good family car that is far cheaper than the Audi, with great space, great looks and a great range.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

When its at half price in about 9 months I'll consider it...

[@mikadavies660]

@@FirstLast-rh9jw Why would anyone ever pay RRP for any car...

[@FFVoyager]

@@FirstLast-rh9jw won't be 9 months. It might be in 3 years when the first leases are being handed back.

[@principsus]

@@FirstLast-rh9jw after 4 years maybe ;)

[@kophotography895]

Clever peeps in this thread

[@mvp2206]

The Minis shortfall looks too high - should only be 13% (well, 12.8%)

[@whatcar]

You're absolutely right! Apologies for that. This was an editing mistake in the video - the shortfall was 13.0% (the Mini's exact range was 210.5 miles but we rounded to the nearest mile). You'll find the correct percentage shortfall on our written article here: www.whatcar.com/news/range-test-how-far-can-electric-cars-really-go/n24836

[@anton_grahn]

A test including both highway efficency and charging would be great! Range by it self is interesting but only half the story!

[@jonathantaylor1998]

Check out Edmunds - they do real world range tests on all their EVs, plus charging speeds, too. Also, InsideEVs do their 'legendary' 70mph highway range test.

[@davidcolin6519]

Agreed. However, probably the majority of users charge at home and only very occasionally charge at a fast charger.

[@NigelRudyard]

Wow, 200 miles of range for £40k. How do the manufacturers do it?

[@GamezGuru1]

buy 4 used Model S instead

[@bjrnerlingchristophersen1148]

The Kona and Tesla model 3 used 19 inch weels😢. If it used the standard 17 and 18 inch weeks they would have 🏆 🥇. When What Car test cars they should use the most efficient weels that are standard on all cars recommended by the manufacturers or this test is a joke...They didn't 😢

[@Helmigurt]

The same is true for the BMW i5 which is on a quite inefficient 20“ wheel design. The 19“ aero wheels would also produce better mileage.

[@zeedustrakok]

@@HelmigurtI have my BMW i5 40e M Pro on the standard M Pro wheel in mainland Europe. That’s an easy 20km+. Make it a non M model and you gain even more miles…

[@Helmigurt]

@@zeedustrakok I have the same as you: i5 M Pro with standard 19“ M wheels. Lovely machine and really efficient.

[@ayekebaye]

The Polestar comes with 19 as standard, you can only go up to 20, i chose the smaller 19 because of this. for me the suprising part is more that the PS2 LRSM won this test, i own it so i know its efficient, but i expected the rest to be more close. i am very happy with the versatilty of this car.

[@patmanrick]

they will be limited by the cars that the manufacturers made available to them.

[@danharold3087]

I enjoyed the video. Out of spec motoring tested the refreshed model 3 long range to be 372. They ran 370 miles at 70 mph and squeaked out 2 more miles at a lower speed. Its actual range exceeded the official range. Negative range shortfall. Even better the added range is all from efficiency as Tesla did not increase the size of the battery pack. I would liked to have see battery size in the table. Again thanks.

[@siraff4461]

Out of spec motoring seem to do their tests of ev's going downhill all the way because nobody else in normalised tests gets anywhere near. 330mi is more like it with normal pressures in the rubber and the heater set to actually give 21c at an actual (not indicated) 70mph. Still impressive but most of their range "tests" are giving numbers so far off they're obviously doing something different.

[@TsLeng]

That's not possible. 370miles at 70mph? 😂😂😂😂

[@danharold3087]

​@@TsLeng Yet it is what they reported. And they don't pull punches or shill for Tesla.

[@mikadavies660]

This is one of the reasons why the Audi range devalue like crazy. They start as very expensive and they are very inefficient and expensive to run.

[@peterhollings309]

And incredibly dull.

[@GamezGuru1]

The only morons that choose the Audi are the rich ones who think it makes them look more important.

[@jmk9065]

Now I'm waiting for the same test for petrol cars, followed by a steam engines range challenge and finally I want to know how far will horse-drawn carriages go without giving the horses a break

[@siraff4461]

Well the horses are well known because stagecoaches used them and each team would only do around 15 miles per day. They could go more but if you wanted them to be able to keep doing it that was about where they were at. Steam depends on how many tenders you want but the double tender ones could do about 150 miles. Petrol again depends on how large the tank is. In 2018 ECP did a test of popular cars and found the winner - a Focus - could do 1112 miles. Of course diesels are regularly capable of over 1000 miles between stops and only a few months back a youtuber (Joe Achilles) took an old Passat tdi from spain to the UK on one tank and did 1484 miles to empty. Of course thats not the whole story because horses took a day to recover, steam engines take about an hour to go from empty to full (less in some cases but they also need a few hours to warm up before being able to work) and ice vehicles take a few minutes to fill. In theory if you take a three man crew with you you could drive that Passat 1400 miles straight with only stops to swap driver every 8 hours and wee stops if you don't like doing it in a bottle. A 10 minute stop every 4 hours would be more than enough to keep it relatively civilised and at the end of that 1400 miles you could spend a couple of minutes filling it up and go again. How useful that is is another story but look at it the other way - if you load it full of people and holiday gear then head off to the alps you are unlikely to be forced to stop every hundred miles whereas in the Peugeot on here I'm not so sure.

[@dariusdareme]

It's because range is the most important thing people are interested in when buying electric. Fast chargers are unreliable, and lots of times you have to sit for 30 minutes just in the que alone. When charging for 200 miles in under 10 minutes becomes ubiquitous, then range tests will not be needed. Until then, it remains an important metric.

[@maszkalman3676]

But you can put petrol in the trunk and get enother full charge you can't do that with your glorified rc cars... and i love rc cars but they aren't good for long rides....

[@DaveG7920]

No model Y, the most common EV in the world and no Chinese cars. So no use to a huge number of EV buyers then.

[@Fundamentum2012]

Agree! Was expecting to see at least 1 of these brands: Xiaomi, Zeekr, Avatr

[@Wirmish]

And they had the 19" tires on the Model 3.

[@aryangautam3377]

Chinese cars have reliability issues

[@paulwarner4806]

The obsession with range and overtly negative tone to EVs is a little over done now. I guess this is What Car’s style but it’s quite a boring watch. Not sure if it’s the format of presenters, but it feels old.

[@hughjanus7354]

@@aerialbugsmasher Not to mention everybody overlooks the fact that majority of population across the world live in apartment blocks where you obviously won't be able to plug in and charge overnight. Other than that we're good to switch.

[@vladmihai306]

i think it is still very well deserved. electric cars, while good in their first years, are paperweights in 10 years and the majority of them require a new battery to be usable, which is, depending on the car, a ton of money and worth it economically, so basically scrap value. i'm not saying i'm a very ecological person, but just a practical thing, that just doesn't make sense, this planned obsolence for some savings in the cost of fuel. it just is stupid. they will be really relevant when the battery life will outlive the car, 20-25 years, not just joke where many of them need warranty swaps during their 8 years or whatever warranty they have. After that what? Who buys them? also, there is a bit of an obsession with fuel costs. people spend 50-60-70k on an electric car to save on fuel, when they could just buy a freakin 20k golf 1.5 tsi and have 40k pounds for fuel.... don't get me wrong, i truly appreciate electric cars and except batteries, they are fantastic, a league above any ICE car, even premium. But batteries are just not there yet...

[@aerialbugsmasher]

@@vladmihai306 there's thousands of people out there doing ride share with some with more than 300000 miles onb the batteries and many are only reporting 10-20% degradation on range at most. They are highly recyclable and used ones are easy to come buy and relatively cheap. I've saved 20k in running costs vs gas in 5 years of EV ownership and this was with a VW GTI which isn't exactly a guzzler

[@m4rmit3]

@@hughjanus7354 The majority, well 100%, don't have am oil refinery at home either to produce petrol.

[@AdamCiernicki]

@@aerialbugsmasher Wife took off in our Tesla, my 2nd car is petrol and I'm having serious anxiety right now, only 23 miles of range left. Had to pick up a piece of furniture last night and took longer than expected so had to drive straight to pick the kids up from sports club...then straight back home for late work call. Obviously I'm not going to go out to buy petrol at 11 PM...so here I am with 23 miles left.... what if I suddenly need to drive somewhere quick? It's 15 min minimum to refuel where I live. You classic car owners have no idea how irritating that is. UPDATE: it’s now Tuesday and I had to quickly go out to buy groceries, thought it’s a perfect moment to get some hydrocarbons… first there was car accident down the road, when I finally got to my local BP half the distributors were out of order and the other half had a massive queue!! Ffs #$%+>*!! Not happy, 13 miles of range left , had to get back to work… Please, do tell me again how much quicker refuelling is.

[@graemewardhaugh1260]

I really enjoy this sort of content. Thanks Jim...

[@memelovly86]

This is ridiculous to put the speed only on mile without kilometer units

[@djtaylorutube]

UK focused video, we're good! 👍

[@siraff4461]

Make sure you go on the KM only vids and tell them the same the other way round. Or do the conversion - 5 miles to 8km is close enough to get a ballpark. Most of us can use either.

[@JeffGoris]

Can someone please do leagues per calorie conversions? TIA.

[@kevinashurst634]

just divide the miles by 0.62 to get km.

[@memelovly86]

I know but it’s pain to pause the video to go do the conversion. And by the way these same cars it's driven here in Europe would be interesting to see the results in two units

[@OPEN_TRUNK]

In my opinion, the video was shot very cool and professionally. Watched a few videos and really liked them. Thank you!

[@pf888]

Telsa is still the efficiency king, although the lack of indicator and light stalks is unforgivable. The Audi Q6 is the most disappointing, no more efficient than the older Q4 or Q8 even though it's built on a new 800v PPE platform, and even less legroom for rear passengers than the smaller Q4. The German automakers should be focused more on efficiency than fancy lights.

[@siraff4461]

Having driven both for me the extra efficiency of the Tesla doesn't make up for the extra feel of quality in the Audi. Its just a much nicer experience overall. Not knocking the 3 though - the highland fixed pretty much all the issues I had with the older car - particularly noise levels. Its just the Audi is nicer to be in and nicer to drive normally.

[@ouethojlkjn]

@@siraff4461 I guess you need that comfort blanket of better quality thread used on the stitching of the seat bolsters to justify paying more than double for cost of the Model 3 for the Audi..

[@siraff4461]

@@ouethojlkjn Some of us prefer not to be on a towtruck - from personal Tesla experience.

[@TsLeng]

It would take long for Tesla to be beaten in efficiency. Nio is already there with their Onvo. BYD will do it if not already (updated 800v seal). Impressive from Tesla so far but their ergonomics are questionable and interior is 😂😂😂

[@GamezGuru1]

@@siraff4461 but then why by an EV - if you prefer the luxury of the Audi, get an ICE car which costs less and won't leave you having to charge so damn often...

[@niptodstan]

I've got a Skoda Enyaq Sportline 85x, and it wiukd easily have been in the top 3 on this test. It's a great car. I'll never go back to an ice car now. I do think ev's are a stepping stone to a better technology, but for now, I'm happy.

[@johnbrown3471]

Most people will be looking at m/kWh and or against purchase price. Those with deeper pockets will have less concern about range.

[@FFVoyager]

Those people ought to be looking at the original 'classic' Ioniq. 150 (even 160) mile range in summer. Sub 20% to 80% in 15 minutes. Astonishingly underpriced at the moment (check-out the spec on the SE models!)

[@niceboy60]

Financially Renault Scenic Won 😳 It's £ 8,000 Less and you loose around 10 miles compared with the Polestar 2 . I mean is a Extra 10 miles range Realy Worth 8k 🤷 you decide

[@USUG0]

they are different cars, appealing to different customers.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

if you''re worried about purchase cost and the associated depreciation, EVs aren't for you.

[@FFVoyager]

@@USUG0 they are close in price. They are fishing for the same customers.

[@USUG0]

@@FFVoyager one is the equivalent of an ICE .... Scenic/VW Tiguan family hauler, the other is a sporty sedan equivalent to an ICE BMW 3series. Besides, as stated in the video and comment 8k difference .... but sure

[@FFVoyager]

@@USUG0 you have not driven a Polestar if you think it's a 'sporty sedan' 🤣

[@Silverbrick27]

Just as a note - you've put the Mini with a shortfall of 18% despite it being closer to the official figure than the Peugeot, with the Peugeot shortfall being listed at 16.7%. The Mini's shortfall should actually be 12.9%

[@zwieseler]

Guys, the whole world is metric. Could I suggest you also include the distance in kilometres?

[@kevinashurst634]

just divide miles by 0.62.

[@zwieseler]

@@kevinashurst634Yeh, I’d have to do it multiple times in this video…. Tedious.

[@zwieseler]

@@pmrose18 Yeh, The United States, Liberia and Myanmar, my suggestion is good.

[@peterhollings309]

What is the obsession with big wheels? Especially on electric cars, bye bye range.

[@AIRDRAC]

Agree completely! Also ruins the comfort of the ride, without giving the advantage of a more engaging driving experience you'd normally get, as you're still lugging around more than two tons of car.

[@siraff4461]

They look nice. No reason no tot have them either but makers are lazy. Take the i3 for example. Massive wheels but very low rolling resistance because they don't need to be as wide. Of course that means more development and different rubber so most makers just don't bother. Same for ice as it is for ev too.

[@GamezGuru1]

most of the cars in this test have more than enough range to EVER worry, or be inconvenienced by charging, so slapping some nice wheels on just looks better.

[@papugenas]

please put kwh/100km for the rest of the world

[@DanRyzESPUK]

You help you, you can calculate the conversion. Multiple the ratio for 1.6 to convert it to kms, and use that figure as denominator in a division using 100 as base. Example: 3 miles per kWh. 4.8 kms per kWh. 100/4,8= 20,83 kWh per 100 kms. 4.9 miles per kWh 7,84 kms per kWh 100/7,84= 12,75 kWh per 100 kms.

[@FFVoyager]

Perhaps they will when the rest of the world puts mi/kWh in their tests? 🙄

[@siraff4461]

What if you're travelling 13km? Or 46? Or 24? Its a silly metric because you almost never travel exactly 100km and its such a large number it simply doesn't relate to the normal journeys people make. Mi/kWh means you just throw in how many miles and you know what its going to use. Same with km/kWh - makes sense because you know how far it can go on whatever amount is in it. For reference 5 miles is roughly 8km so 5mi/kWh would be 8km/kWh.

[@VxO4fame]

@@siraff4461 Some people of you are just really lazy to do simple maths hu? Just divide your xx kWh/100 km BY 100 and you got kWh / km Srsly I would sent you guys back to school.

[@siraff4461]

@@VxO4fame Or you could just use km/kWh in the first place and see exactly how far you can go at a glance. Its not lazy to use a more appropriate metric. It's common sense. Just a shame it appears its not so common anymore.

[@rolandmauseth5276]

Nice to include the Model S. However, you DO NOT FLOOR THE PEDAL when you are at a very low SOC. Depending on the make, this can cause the system to determine that the strain on the battery is too great and shut down the car, when caressing the pedal could have brought you a few more kms and maybe you could have reached your next charging station. Also, 70 mph is not ideal at low SOC - reducing speed as little as 10 mph - down to 60 mph - will make you go much further when you are low on battery. Trying to maintain 70 until breakdown is really not a realistic assessment of real world range as most people would figure that one out and reduce speed in advance to maintain range.

[@Fresh20448]

Amazing video, i can only imagine how much work it took to make.

[@HansKruse]

The Tesla model S should have had 19” rims and not 21” which are inefficient. Also the model 3 should have had the standard 18” wheels and would have been more efficient and neither of these facts were mentioned in the video.

[@petrvalkoun4539]

great test! please inlcude batery capacity in the overview as well, thanks!

[@nibotkram7743]

Trying to understand the point of this. M/kw average is the key metric. If they are doing this for entertainment purposes then maybe ok. Kinda of a meh video. I guess people need to work.

[@siraff4461]

Only if charge speed is unlimited and chargers are on every street corner. If not overall range matters because not only does that allow longer between stops and more choice of where to charge but it also allows you to do more miles on the lower priced leccy from home.

[@maszkalman3676]

It's not a key metric because ev-s got caught lying about their efficiency only these type of tests actually show their real world use....

[@sorinelpustiu5674]

Love these videos! Keep them up! 💪

[@usefulrandom1855]

Fair play to the Model S, you could buy that and put a new battery in and it would be cheaper than the rest haha.

[@FFVoyager]

And it doesn't even need a new battery (so the anti-EV zealots will need to find another reason to hate it)

[@hughdoyle7059]

Monday I travelled from Dublin to Renvyle in the West of Ireland, two adults and plenty of luggage. Weather was good but only about 15c. Distance traveled about 340km, still had 140km left on battery. Returned today in atrocious wet conditions temp about 10c, 84km left in battery. Mostly motorway travel just below speed limit. 2023 Kona EV with 64 kw battery.

[@milesr3]

What’s the obsession with driving EVs until they “DIE” and leave you stranded at the roadside? Please start testing sports cars for luggage space and huge SUVs for fuel economy as well.

[@markgt894]

To see how efficient an EV is I guess would be the answer. Was useful having the old Tesla to see how much of maximum charge capacity has been lost over the years.

[@turbogeek.421]

While I agree, (one of) the biggest obstacle to getting people into EVs is their (irrational? unfounded?) concern with the vehicle range. So videos like this will show people what they can expected at the extreme end.

[@markgt894]

@@turbogeek.421 the range is still not great if doing a long trip, especially if have to try and find a charging station and then wait a good few hours to charge. The range will drop dramatically when cold weather. Also the cost of electric charging, especially if using public chargers, as shown by their costs here at end of video, is not much cheaper (in some instances more expensive) than petrol. Noting that electric cars are more expensive than petrol equivalent. I don’t see any reason to get an electric car at the moment.

[@Michael_NV]

@@turbogeek.421irrational and unfounded… like high prices? Is that what you means?

[@milesr3]

@@markgt894All myths. There is abundant rapid charging and it takes less than 30 minutes. Price gouging is an issue but it’s not more costly per mile than ICE. The majority of charging is 10x cheaper at home.

[@johnm2879]

Excellent and very useful review. Thank you!

[@clacton17]

Where is the MG. Prices of these cars on test are far to expensive.

[@MatthewStanford51]

Or A BYD / Ora

[@siraff4461]

I think they just get what the makers offer at the time. They have covered MG and BYD in the past so its a shame they aren't represented but I suppose there is a limit on how many they can fit in. Thats probably why there's no model Y or Countryman E too.

[@ouethojlkjn]

Dacia Spring is less than £15k on the road. Coming the end of this year to the UK. I think it's range is 146 miles but they are looking at a "bigger battery pack" version edging it up to 200 miles. By the way, I had a close look at a Spring in the local Renault dealership (left hand drive import prior to RHD release) and it looks like a fantastic little car.

[@siraff4461]

@@ouethojlkjn I tried a Spring last year and its terrible. I was really looking forward to it after my Zoe but it was a big let down. Felt really cheap and nasty inside and it was pretty gutless anything over about 50km/h. Sharp edges to the plastics inside it, rattles and squeaks like you wouldn't believe - just junk. A bit of a shock because the Zoe wasn't bad and a Dacia Sandero we used before was fine.

[@ouethojlkjn]

@@siraff4461 Thanks for the feedback, and this was the new Dacia Spring as in 2024 model? Or the original model? I have yet to test drive but the one I sat in last week did not seem to me to be junk.

[@urbanstrencan]

Great video What Car team , really nicely and properly done range test, my personal best EV is definitely Polestar 2❤❤❤

[@leesmith9299]

if the model S has lost 13% of its capacity does it use 13% less electricity to charge to full? in which case did you reduce the usable capacity by 13% when calculating the efficiency?

[@Hrossey]

As a mathematician, I’d like to invite you back to primary school to relearn maths. It hurts having to witness a grown man fail so hard. Let me tell you, Lee? The low intelligent man shall be unaware of how stupid what he has just said, was.

[@mikemarillion5221]

course they didnt, they cannot even calculate shortfslls correctly

[@whatcar]

The Model S pulled 78.55kWh from the grid to charge from 0-100%. However, we also factored in a 5% charging loss (this is an estimate but consistent with what we've seen when fast (DC) charging other EVs. We used the depleted battery figure when calculating the efficiency. If we'd have used the claimed usable capacity of the battery when new the m/kWh figure would have been much lower. Hope this helps.

[@siraff4461]

@@mikemarillion5221 Someone editing it pressed an 8 instead of a 3 and thats the best you can do? Lets see your video. I'm sure you can do a much better job.

[@JohnLiving-q6z]

The people who commented that WC? should have used the lowest tariff to calculate the cost per 10,000 miles of use were rather missing the point. The purpose of the test was to examine how close they could get to the claimed range of the cars involved under close to perfect conditions. They also calculated a figure of miles per kilowatt hour for each car. They did cover the cost per kilowatt hour in their commentary and did mention that other tariffs are available. But at the end of the day, even if you only pay 1p per kilowatt hour it doesn't change how much electricity was used for each mile travelled. All cars fell short of the official range, some by a larger margin than others. They also had 2 jokers in the pack, a 9 year old Tesla S and a BMW i5 which was included when they conducted a similar test under winter conditions. In the case of the Tesla it performed worst in the miles per kilowatt calculation and the results for the BMW showed its range as 310 miles in Summer but only 253 under winter conditions. My question is, do the following 3 factors make a difference to the calculations of how green EVs are when compared to modern ICE vehicles. 1) all the vehicles fell short of the claimed range. 2) the older vehicles miles per kilowatt hour was the worst, but I'm not clear whether this was a reduction from new. 3) The much poorer range achieved under cold conditions. I accept that the results from ICE vehicles compared to official figures are variable but in my experience they are not so wildly different and I do not experience such a big difference in miles per gallon in winter, but perhaps I drive slower in darker, wet and icy conditions. All I want is clarity about the true full environmental impact of EVs, not just one or two favourable figures like the emissions from the car on the street. PS. As they calculated the miles per kilowatt figure for each car, should be fairly simple to calculate the cost for any distance travelled for whatever tariff you are on.

[@salibaba]

The costs used in the comparisons are SO not close to actual reality. It’s like saying that everyone has the potential to have high petrol costs because they only ever fill up exclusively at motorways petrol stations. DOES. NOT. HAPPEN! Meanwhile back IN THE REAL WORLD- Everyone who CAN charge it home does. The majority who do make sure they’re on a tariff to get the cost as low as possible. The ones who rely on the public networks, do the same. They seek out to use the easiest and cheapest they can. Be that by subscription, workplace charging, cheap supermarkets. Motorway charging is only a last resort and even at that regular users will have discounted options such as using the open to all superchargers, subscription pricing and off peak / special rates.

[@kaybe3044]

Spot on

[@Soverenk]

Can you please also share how much energy the old battery of Model S accepted when you fully charged in the end ? Is it something close to the claimed initial capacity ? If not, you need to update your calculation about the calculated efficiency figure. If you don't put in 85 kWh , it can not consume it.

[@chapmandu2]

Good to see the focus on efficiency as well as costs, range. The other aspect of efficiency is that it means that you're less reliant on high powered chargers that can charge above 200kW to replenish miles at a reasonable rate, a 50kW or 100kW charger can be perfectly useful.

[@GamezGuru1]

yes, and means it effectively charges faster at home too

[@torukmahtomahto409]

LPG is the leader of cost-value-maintenance, any weather, any road, out of or in the city...and CLEANER...

[@Treeburnify]

Still stupid prices, massive depreciation and all the charging hassle. Charging challenges with a flakey charging network and extortionate new prices coupled with runaway depreciation - that’s why they are not selling. Early adopters always pay big for early compromise.

[@chillout1109]

You are clearly just parroting what you heard on the internet. Live with an EV for a while and your views will most certainly be altered.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

But they are selling? Market share continues to increase.

[@jonathantaylor1998]

"Still stupid prices" - wrong. "Massive depreciation" - wrong. Family SUVs: Right now, on Autotrader, you can buy a brand new, unregistered 273 mile range MG ZS EV Trophy for £24,990 after discounts. The cheapest, 3 year old, 2021 plate used model with 43,000 miles is selling at £16,995 = 68% resale value. Compare that to, for example, the Citroen C5 1.2i Aircross SUV - that can be bought, brand new, unregistered for £29,699 after discounts. The cheapest, 3 year old, 2021 plate used model with 48,700 miles is selling at £14,500 = 49% resale value. Family Hatchbacks: Right now, on Autotrader, you can buy a brand new, unregistered 270 mile range MG4 Trophy 5dr for £22,785 after discounts. The cheapest, 2 year old (when launched), 2022 plate used model with 13,000 miles is selling at £17,795 = 78% resale value. Compare that to, for example, the Ford Focus 1.0T Titanium Auto 5dr - that can be bought, brand new, unregistered for £28,041 after discounts. The cheapest, 2 year old, 2022 plate used model with 12,800 miles is selling at £15,850 = 57% resale value.

[@ouethojlkjn]

Spoken like someone who have never owned or run an EV. You seem to think EV owners have never owned an ICE car and cannot make an informed decision.

[@langolier9]

I just stumbled upon this video and I’m just starting it, but I am very very impressed with how simple it is how scientific it is and I am absolutely on the edge of my seat to see the results. I have a huge, awesome TV and entertainment system in my basement I have all the world entertainment at my fingertips billions of dollars have been spent on Netflix and HBOand Amazon to provide me anything I wanna watch and all I care about in the whole world right now including my job which I have not left the house for yet is seeing which car wins your contest I’m not kidding. I really only care about that right now I’m very very much on the spectrum.

[@martinbuddery1345]

Why oh why the obsession with range?

[@jasonmugridge]

Agreed, its only an obsession to non EV owners. Had mine for 5 years, wake up to a "full tank" every morning so almost forgotten what a petrol station looks like. They all say it only takes me 5 minutes to fill up and I think what a hassle, such a waste of time. On the occasional long trips I'm normally still getting a coffee when it tells me it's charged, so annoying that, wish they could slow it down a bit lol.

[@siraff4461]

Because it allows longer between stops, allows more choice of where to stop, allows more miles to be done on cheap home electricity and means less cycles of the battery which is great for longevity. Comments like Jasons are typical of the "ev's are the best because I got one and I've got skin in the game" kind of mentality which means he actually doesn't understand what makes them good or bad in the first place. He's just trying really hard to convince himself he made the correct choice weather he did or not. If we ignore that nonsense longer range is actually quite a good thing on a practical level even if you never use it.

[@Pete-rf6zz]

Your right, I think now there are plenty of chargers, I never really let mine go down below 40 or 30%. This would only be useful if there was nowhere to charge. but I would not encourage this behaviour like most people, would you risk running out of charge and potentially damaging the vehicle

[@GamezGuru1]

​@@siraff4461 ironically, the obsession is actually to convince the EV haters, who continuously hold them to the fire on range. Jason's comment is spot on - ICE owners have to visit petrol stations FAR more often than EV owners (assuming they can charge at home). Don't get me wrong, the more range the better because those long trips become EVEN more comfortable, but the fact is most car users would never experience range problems with an EV that has over 200miles of range.

[@siraff4461]

@@GamezGuru1 The problem with that is when one claims "200 miles of range" they only do that in very specific situations. Genuine 200 mile motorway range is still fairly rare in ev world and if its cold, wet and loaded up you're looking at probably five cars on sale that might do it? I owned ev's from 2011 to two years ago and went plug-in this time because the plug-in finally has enough range to genuinely do my day to day stuff. I'm even more lazy than ice or ev drivers now because I never need to visit a charging station and my last tank of fuel lasted almost 2000 miles since the vast majority of my driving is on electric. I do wish makers would bring out plug-ins with better range and more battery rather than more engine though. My i3 was brilliant for that because it would easily do 80 miles on a battery even in the worst conditions then its little scooter engine meant I could finish the trip if it wasn't worth finding a charger and all the rest. I miss the Tesla's instant grunt but I don't miss the thing putting me on a flatbed, needing multiple repairs and costing over £80k in the process. Its nice to see some are finally putting useful sized batteries in some more normal cars at more normal price points though. The New Renault Scenic for example - 87kWh and under £40k means that you can have a usable car with a decent all weather/speed range at a normal family car price. Its not the best driving thing in the world but what family suv/thing is?

[@Grant.G.Simpson]

glad to see the scenic did so good, im days away from ordering my new 3yr lease, had a kona ev, liked it ok but slow to charge and cant do it at home, so better range and faster charging scenic will do nicely

[@carlomorischi3435]

Manufacturers should start to put more effort into efficiency of EVs

[@pf888]

@@carlomorischi3435 Yes, efficiency is at least as important as range.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Need to focus on cars like the Tesla Model 3 rather than... well literally every other EV that's an SUV.

[@pf888]

@@drunkenhobo8020 Not just Model 3, Model Y is quite efficient too and only weighs 1911kg vs German SUV EVs which all weigh over 2200kg.

[@axelrolle8150]

​@@pf888yes because they are better built!

[@miskomarkovic3446]

Thank you! Is it possible to drive one of these cars stricktly in city, to compare consumption

[@claudiugrigorescu1112]

Hello guys, for viewers outside UK, please present the statistics for range also in km and for efficiency also in kWh/100 km.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

do it yourself.

[@MrKOenigma]

That Renault Scenic surprised me the most 😮😮❤❤😊😊

[@s111nps]

Can’t see the point in driving until the battery is exhausted. You wouldn’t drive any car knowing you would run out of fuel. Most EV drivers drive their car the distance they are comfortable with. Only serves the anti EV brigade with another excuse.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

these are great tests, highlighting the shittiness of electric cars. and yes "range" in ICE is also an issue, although one easily overcome unlike a white goods on wheels.

[@chrishart8548]

I just go between 40% and 80% and it never seems to be a problem. I always try and never go bellow 20% car seem to just keep on about finding a charger at that point. I've only charged to 100% twice.

[@danharold3087]

@@FirstLast-rh9jw Yes all that power and speed is dangerous. Not to mention the harm it does to oil companies. It has them so upset some are investing in BEV charging. There should be a law!

[@Hrossey]

How do you know that I, or we don’t drive our vehicles till they run out of sauce? What a very odd claim to make!

[@olivermeineke9707]

Range is still one of the biggest weaknesses of EVs - it is totally ok to do a test from the customers perspective.

[@supersonic79]

Good vid guys. Would’ve been good to show the cost in Petrol/Diesel per 10,000 miles too... it’s definitely more than £500 😄

[@crumbschief5628]

Went are you doing this. It's irrelevant to EV drivers. If once a month I do a long journey. I'll charge.

[@chillout1109]

This video is for prospective EV buyers. It's not for people that already have EVs.

[@mikewallace1723]

Because it is relevant to others! Most early adaptors are low mileage and charge at home. Wouldn’t work for me. Even my trip to the airport is at the limit of many EVs in real world driving. I can do a return trip in my petrol car easily. Looking at range and charge speeds. Cost of public chargers is also important

[@crumbschief5628]

@@mikewallace1723 so stop at a charger.

[@DanRyzESPUK]

This is for people that are not EV owners and don't know how long an EV can truly run on a single charge. It's important because anti EV scammers sat that you can't get more than 200 miles on a charge no matter what, that you will wait like 8 hours to charge and that you'll have to wait hours in line to get to a charger.

[@MihaiOprea]

If you had to choose between Tesla model 3 SR and Renault Scenic, both 40k, with Tesla doing 255 vs Renault 322, what would you choose?

[@chrisduffill5248]

Now the polestar 4 is released it will be even better…..

[@FFVoyager]

We'll see. It looks good though.

[@ouethojlkjn]

I just hope they don't kill sales in the UK by overpricing it. The Polestar 2 is a superb car and looks fantastic but is so much more money than (say) a Tesla equivalent.

[@JHBEM]

For polestar and Renault was the indicated and real efficiency above, lower, accurate?

[@stan_austin]

Or just get an ICE car and range doesn’t matter……

[@turbogeek.421]

Because ICE vehicles never ruin out of fuel 🙄

[@chillout1109]

@@turbogeek.421 Of course ICE cars run out of fuel all the time. But since there are petrol stations at every corner, you never really worry about range like you do in an EV.

[@djtaylorutube]

Got plenty of those but we leave the diesel behind and take the EV on European road trips. It's just better.

[@DaveC1964]

My Tesla model y £45k 10000 miles @ £195 to run, friends similar priced Cupra Ateca VZ3 £44k, 10000 miles £1725 to run. Petrol for Ateca 5 minute fill, Tesla 24 minutes at supercharger, bite to eat,toilet break on long journey, his sounds great tho, great exhaust noise, both have advantages and disadvantages

[@djtaylorutube]

@@DaveC1964 Now redo the figures where home charging is available and both of you drive 200 miles each working day for a year and state the human time required to "fill". I used to do that commute, would have loved to have my Model Y back then instead of ICE.

[@ipb1966]

Jeez - these types of videos are getting really boring now.

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

So don't watch

[@AdamAugustPhoto]

When you were figuring out the efficiency of the Tesla model S, did you take into account the 13% battery degredation, or use the official usable capacity?

[@ouethojlkjn]

They answered this elsewhere - but tbh I did not really understand their answer.

[@nevilleconnolly8938]

As long as they get you to the nearest scrapyard!

[@DavidLimofLimReport]

Don't you have anything good to say

[@DaveC1964]

Is that to look at the ice car graveyard 😅

[@GlitterGuru]

I appreciate how Hyundai/Kia provide accurate range within 10% Although where’s that BYD Seal you kept showing???

[@whatcar]

Check out our winter range test from a few months ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mWKTdJ5uabaae6ssi=j_mmEYJeBikAVGqP We included bother the Dolphin and Seal. We try to mix it up each time because only have 12 spaces, but we'll definitely be testing more BYDs in the future.

[@markevans5892]

The annoying thing is they never really show the effect of cheap overnight charging, and that has a considerable saving and as 75% of drivers could easily use it will save a fortune at 7p/kwhr. Most people that charge at home can easily convert to this as well. Start to wonder if they really want people to know this!

[@maszkalman3676]

Most peopels don't have garages still.... in europe housing spaces with garages range anywhere form 19% to 46% depending of the conutry so not even half....

[@TsLeng]

If someone owns a house with a driveway and cannot figure out they can charge cheap at night... Do they even deserve to drive?😂 Are they qualified to drive? Do they know red from green😅.

[@maszkalman3676]

@@TsLeng Yea h do that in winter or rain i would like to say a fully waterproof high current charging cable because fro mthe 220V in a night so later than midnight to morning you have at best 7-8 hours to charge and that's not enough for a full charge or even a half charge awith a 100kwh battery on 220v you need 18+ hours to charge....

[@patbarr1351]

Your testing is useful for those of us who make the occasional road trip. The Polestar 2 exceeded its range as rated in the US (320 mi). I believe the European ratings are at street speeds which are well below highway/freeway speeds. Of course one has to be clear of Los Angeles traffic to make it to 70mph!

[@PolestarCars]

Great drive test! Polestar 2 and range anxiety just don’t belong on the same track ⚡

[@dxcheong]

Really happy you pointed out efficiency. I feel like this is the most important number when it comes to EV's.

[@Cakadookie]

Subscribed. The thorough and attention to detail that went into this test makes me trust your content.

[@theretoocs]

Not a big EV fan, but interesting. Would love to see range figures/distances posted in kilometres as well for those of us not in the UK or North America..-everyone else is metric.

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

3:03 If only there was (IM L6 ). The first car with semi solid state battery.And a range of 625 Miles

[@yatchung6479]

Noticed you've not reviewed any of the new Renaults. Any reason why?

[@Erigion]

Great video but you really need to show the battery sizes for every car.

[@marty1035]

Great to see What Car taking all the guesswork out for us plebs.

[@christianolsen9781]

Would be great if you added battery size and chemistry in the overview. Getting +250 miles range in many cars today, my attention shifts to efficiency and environmental impact/safety.

[@johncrosby7985]

Why do you never use the Tesla model 3 long range rwd ?

[@anderslagerqvist2642]

A really cold winter test is what I really would need instead. Worst case instead of best case. Or towing...

[@dmc12345678910]

Should calculate the tesla for supercharging as you would only use superchargers surley.

[@markr8131]

Good to use the 90d but it did have a small battery. Would have been good to see how the 100Ds still perform as back in the day I got near 300 miles from it.

[@stum8374]

Going round and round at different speeds is NOT A TEST,maybe changing lanes and stop/start would give people a better grip of what they MIGHT get out of one !

[@whatcar]

Hello - there’s a lane change every time we change speed, and the first 2.7 miles of every lap is stop-start driving.

[@GamezGuru1]

maybe watch the video again before criticising it 🤡

[@siraff4461]

I would love to know the history of that model S. Its only ~50 miles or so behind what mine was genuinely giving from new back then (P90D). On its original battery? Use case? How much fast charging and all that - it would be nice to see how its been used and how relevant it is to other cars of similar age out there.