How Far Can Kars Get in Dragon Ball?

[@SpectroliteDS]

The fact this turned into a pseudo "What-if Kars replaced Goku" is hilarious to me lol.

[@RalMaybe]

I mean, he could for a while atleast.

[@Strongestintheuniverse0]

Kars The Legendary Super Duper Saiyan

[@Notabot101]

This would definitely happen

[@ishowslow5044]

WITH WIIIIINGS

[@Xx4DarkVoid4xX]

@@Strongestintheuniverse0 if he can turn into any lifeform then he could copy Frieza to get his potential and solo everyone after training.

[@lordrj4203]

MAXIMUM OVER SAIYAN

[@Wiggler-f4t]

@@Xx4DarkVoid4xX nah Frieza ain’t from Earth

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

If he can control ki, he wont get frozen in space. It only happened because the gas he tried using to propel himself froze him. If he learns ki control he would just fly

[@CloudyDaze]

I can't stress the fact that instead of using Ki to fly, in the George Joestar novel, Kars' solution to space travel was to wait through 36 universal resets and make a spaceship out the bodies of a coalition of hundreds of different Kars. So the notion that with Ki he bypasses that entirely is hilarious to me.

[@JetBlazed]

⁠@@CloudyDazeit’s not hilarious ki acts like a barrier or energy shield sustaining natural and soul power and there are multiple feats of db charcters moving in space even if haters would like to say they cant

[@CloudyDaze]

@@JetBlazed ... Bro I think I said things confusingly. There was probably a mistranslation going on right here so I apologize for that. I'm not downplaying you or saying Ki is bad. That is not the intention at all. I'm saying the Novel is so goofy that Kars came up with a hyper over complicated solution, waiting over quintillions of years to amass enough bodies to have enough resources to make a space ship, when with Ki he could have made it off Mars in like 2 minutes... Like... I genuinely meant "haha that's funny". Not "Dragonball is pathetic" kind of hilarious... we ain't debating dawg. I am being quite literal with my words. No need to take offense to it, I apologize for not being clearer.

[@Neuvillete4.6]

@@CloudyDaze ohhh

[@Clooger-]

​@@CloudyDazeGod damn bruh it wasn't that serious. Lmao wtf

[@garzarzarag]

How far a squirrel could go in Dragon Ball next ?

[@kharii_db]

@@garzarzarag about as far as a dog gets in jojos

[@KingCrimsonRequiem336]

solos Zeno fr

[@AllredGL]

@@kharii_db immediately meets Dio

[@CerealExperimentsMizuki]

Squirrel Girl used squirrels to beat Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet so a Squirrel is easily Outerversal and can solo Dragon Ball.

[@kharii_db]

@@CerealExperimentsMizuki squirrel girl only wins off screen that's her whole gimmick and it's funny as hell, she would fit in with the jjk characters

[@Numbers-gStands]

When Kars figured out harmon he immidiately became 100x+ times stronger than one of the strongest masters with no training, imo you kind of lowballed what he could be capable of with ki if he's given time to train, especially if you give him sayain DNA which should include hybrids and their potential

[@ishowslow5044]

He didn't want to get too far into the hypotheticals, otherwise Kars could probably get the highest potential in the series by manipulating his DNA to it's peak along with everything else he can do.

[@morganf.1562]

if he highballed it, Kars would probably be even more insane than in Joerge Joestar novel.

[@lynnusuk2092]

highballing it he'd be Broly level which is jumping from namek saga just in base to multiversal with transformations. Since Broly is considered the genetic lottery of the Saiyan race and Broly by super's canon barely train outside of hunting until his first real fight on earth.

[@Wezlii530]

kars fought hamon users for centuries and we know he is a curious individual who knew the inner workings of hamon, just like wamuu. this isnt a good potential feat. he just happened to have a centuries worth of knowledge before being able to use it from fighting hamon masters

[@ishowslow5044]

​@@Wezlii530 That's regular Kars not ultimate. I'm also only bringing up the fact that he can manipulate his DNA according to the video.

[@obliviontheshadowgod6204]

Turning themselves into stone is a natural part of pillar man biology add in the buffs from kars being the ultimate thing i wonder if the stone spit of dabura would be all that effective cause kars might just revert his cells anyway depending on if he's mentally conscious or not

[@FlawlessWallace3350]

Maybe but Dabura uses magic for his spit which is a little different for Kars

[@gyver8448]

Unless Kars has magic resistance, which is explicitly different from natural energies like Ki or Hamon, I doubt it.

[@ThomasMoore-qv4og]

That was more so them being cocooned in stone and less so them being turned into it, like what Dabura does

[@MUIDYLANICE]

@@gyver8448 Ultimate life form Kars could cut his head off and be perfectly fine. Unless of course you think there's somewhere to hide a brain in a literal pile of dust.

[@gyver8448]

@@MUIDYLANICE I'm not sure I understand your point.

[@Upsilon1984]

Novel Kars would prove a challenge

[@zpydd_]

jorge joestar?

[@RaptorKing16]

Fax

[@zyxzzzz_]

*solos

[@Comic-Bob.]

But would he lose?

[@Nyota7766]

Yes very much so.

[@ConfusingZark-hj5bt]

This is actually very interesting, kars would be able to copy cell or Frieza genes that's not the interesting part. The interesting part is kars can just eat them.

[@MUIDYLANICE]

Probably not because of ki reinforcement, but anyone that's even a lil weaker than him is an insta win

[@IllegalXeno]

You see, Kars shall just cover himself in ki-deflecting oil. Boom, invincible.

[@JetBlazed]

Kars needs so many hypotheticals just to reach buu saga

[@TheAlchemistOfMythos]

Unless it's End of Novel Kars, then he could beat most of Dragon Ball easily, or with minimal -medium difficulty

[@ishowslow5044]

⁠@@TheAlchemistOfMythosIf it's Novel Kars he reaches current imo

[@Yesbutactuallyno123]

@blazelion9883 thats because we've barely seen anything he can do, so all we can really do is hypothesize 😭

[@TheAlchemistOfMythos]

@@Yesbutactuallyno123 the Novel has more of him and gives him a proper feat chart

[@Yesbutactuallyno123]

@@TheAlchemistOfMythos true but we're talking about canon kars

[@Theamz]

5:35 Goku jr and Vegeta jr being like 5% saiyan and able to turn super saiyan is actually canon because toriyama himself wrote lore for dragon ball online game and part of that lore is how most of humanity on earth is capable of going super saiyan because of goku’s and vegeta’s genes and that game takes place 216 years after the end of Z. Even if you try to invalidate that statement by saying it’s just a video game, it wouldn’t matter because Toriyama himself wrote that line and that’s his logic that even humans who have 0.5% saiyan biology can turn super saiyan.

[@samuelburks]

gt isnt cannon nor is the online game kars would get destroyed by movie cannon just cause of how differently the dragon ball z anime scales compared to the manga

[@sigiligus]

Toriyama writing something doesn’t make it canon to the original series. You don’t know how canon works. You don’t even know what canon means or where it comes from.

[@Theamz]

@@sigiligus If said lore doesn’t contradict the original series and it’s written by the author as supplementary information about the world of DB, then it is 100% canon.

[@Theamz]

@@samuelburks irrelevant, wether you like it or not, toriyama wrote that line and it doesn’t contradict anything already stablished in the original manga.

[@samuelburks]

@@Theamz lmao you cant just cope and say irrelevant cause you dont like that its factual dude here an example of where your logic wouldnt work toriyama wrote the original b.o.g movie just cause back then he stated goku was a 7 and beerus was a 10 (he was referencing how strong each respective character was if rated out of 10) dosent mean thats cannon to the continuity of the super anime these are different timelines they have different scaling and cannon

[@Giga-sl1rq]

Kars after getting hit by a stray explosion of dbs goten and getting obliterated dealing to his potential loss in one of these outcomes makes me giggle.

[@erickck240]

11:03 Well the only reason he froze up was cause he tried to use air to propel himself back to earth, but since he has ki in this he could definitely just fly through space.

[@davidgummo3024]

So uh ki doesn't automatically mean you can fly/survive in space you don't see tien or any human flying in space just because they have ki , only certain races can survive in space

[@snazy950]

i think itd be cool if roshi was spectating kars using hamon in the world martial arts tournament and identify its a very unique form of kendo, but he would have no idea what it is or where he learned such a thing, hed say something like: "its almost like its not from this earth"

[@lightningmr_dt]

3 things edit added a 4th 1. Kaioken is increasing the flow of ki (imagine like improving blood flow) so considering kars pushed hamon to sun level he should have incredible control of ki and could reasonably push it to x100 (slug movie) 2. Broly survives in space via ki shield and kars can produce oxygen as seen in the volcano so ki heats him up and creates a barrier also ki provides propulsion 3. Kars could avoid the spit via letting his body fall off even his skin or bones 4. Kars can improve on DNA and techniques so it wouldn't be Goku with a ton of s cells it would be a min maxed Goku with tons of s cells (or likely Gohan or if you push it broly) he would in theory figure out DNA fusion brings sayains extra benefits so at worst imagine a sayain pillar man DNA fusion (the potential would be insane )

[@ptronic]

He would cycle zenkai boost and rip through anything without hamon

[@solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad]

Dude I was just rewatching the scene where he gets launched into space and frozen for eternity

[@Septicspence09]

He had one of the worst fates bro😭

[@MrYoyoflat]

Eventually, He stopped thinking tho.

[@Aesirfollower224]

Yeah that is one of the worse fates .

[@Aesirfollower224]

@@MrYoyoflat how is that better?

[@BrandonLung]

No pain, no loneliness, etc.

[@AnimeWeebo45]

4:03 when are we going to see how far can this random squirrel get in dragon ball

[@ToadBup]

we need more squirrel-jak cameos from here on out

[@RedShadowAMV]

We pillar men have NO limits! 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥

[@LilT2o00]

Vegeta said he couldn't hurt himself but Cell proves otherwise he literally got a zenkai from self destructing to become super perfect cell

[@sirnutaku7716]

You should do a every jojo protagonist againts Dragon ball Arcs

[@Solesteam]

10:20 Imagine the back tingle SSJ methood being introduced on Namek instead of the rage method, perhaps people wouldn't be so salty with the more scientific breakdown of Super Saiyan and that it's not just some magical blessing bestowed on the purest of Saiyans but actually a simple biological reaction that can be triggered as manually as scratching an itch.

[@YaniraGomez-m4h]

The amount of reaching Kars would need just to pass up saiyan saga is crazy…

[@heccthebrovex9550]

every single character in Z is FTL because kid goku in the 22nd world martial arts tournament outsped the solar flare in both the anime and manga. And every Z character outscale that version of Goku

[@JetBlazed]

I agree with this. Salad said kars top speed is 100x faster than light and bare minimum nappa is 100x faster than light so there’s been less of a chance kars make it up to freiza

[@arkkon2740]

Wouldn't he still be blinded by the solar flare if he reacted to it before it hit his face? Good chance the solar flare isnt actually FTL, Wouldn't make much sense because the technique is new to him and he seemingly saw the light hit his face, stole someone's glasses and ran back before it got too intense

[@sigiligus]

Bad scaling. Z characters get hit by that technique all the time. All of whom are way faster than that Goku. If your logic is “it’s a light technique therefore it’s the speed of light” then every character should out speed it casually but they still get blinded by it.

[@heccthebrovex9550]

@@sigiligus it's obvious by the time the Cell Saga rolls around EVERYONE is FTL the technique works by converting energy directly into light quick would make it a light speed technique. When Cell uses it against them it was very clearly used to show that he was cunning and it caught everyone off guard. Obviously they scale higher to it. That's like saying Goku isn't fast than a bullet because he got shot in Res F

[@heccthebrovex9550]

@@arkkon2740 it was used against roshi first, and it converts ki directly into light which in fact makes it light speed. the weakness that goku identified was that sunglasses seem to make the attack not work, so when Tien starts using it, Goku reacted before the light had even flashed and took Roshi's sunglasses

[@yamlanki825]

Jiren's honest to God reaction when Kars turns into a frost demon + saiyan + angel + whatever guldo was and does 1 push up:

[@eduardorescalla5933]

Honestly, you should make this an actual what if. You said that a certain part of the video was "What if Kars was part of dragon ball". I think that would be interesting if you ACTUALLY made a story around that.

[@fwdooms2540]

If kars was placed into Dragon Ball using his own abilities while given access to its power system he would be insanely powerful. He would literally be a cell on crack. Kars can not only use the abilities of other creatures but use them at a higher level alongside a 400 IQ, meaning its not too farfetched for him to immediately turn super saiyan as well as master a namekians regeneration. He would also be a hybrid saiyan technically meaning he would have way more potential, especially if he gains friezas genetics. In fact, with friezas genetics he would be able to negate his weakness to space becoming completely unkillable without the use of Hakai.

[@lucasm497]

For sure if he was placed in the world and was given training and had his own little arch he'd be cracked but just throwing him into a match in dragonball hes fucked.

[@swordsunknown5226]

10:00 Why does Frieza have such a big nose?!?!

[@TheSaladBar]

All his ki went to there

[@minecraftlord189]

Hes compensating

[@ashuraomega1000]

​@@minecraftlord189Look who's talking

[@opadrip]

What did Toriyama mean by this?!

[@johannesstephanusroos4969]

(((Frieza)))?

[@BingleDingleBiggleBorf]

Super Saiyan Goku watching an aztec stripping god erase the surrounding area from existence by snapping at him with an oversized pistol shrimp claw:

[@overseerpjoe9477]

The actual stopping point would be Cell, since if this version of Kars can last up to at least Saiyan Saga, then Dr. Gero would probably grab his cells for Cell. That would make this Cell be Kars with access to Frost Demon and Namekian DNA, which would be far more powerful than normal Kars with Saiyan DNA

[@RheaMainz]

Kars' grabbed cells would grab Dr. Gero, consume him, then use Gero's knowledge to improve Kars even more than Gero would ever have done.

[@BroadwayRonMexico]

@@RheaMainz Exactly. He can clone himself (since many actual real life creatures can do just that) and even before becoming his ultimate form, had Pillar Man regen (which is enough to regenerate from very fine dust). His ultimate form has him able to rearrange himself at the DNA level, so even a few cells should be enough to swallow Gero or even clone himself if he gets the biomass to do so.

[@leothewhiteranger]

An interesting Divergence in the "What If Kars was in Dragon Ball" thing is... well, if he can't go super saiyan, he might just decide it proves that Freiza's body is better than his own... and he uses the Body Change on Freiza. And then you have someone about on par with Goku's fighting intelligence in Freiza's body

[@Jarethttorney]

Remember, ultimate Kars bled when Joseph's hand stabbed him when the volcano erupted(only going at most super sonic), so anyone who can travel fast can get good hits on Kars.

[@TheStickCollector]

There needs to be a fan animation for this. I would make it if I had any skill whatsoever.

[@JackgarPrime]

A lot of Kars posting lately from a few folks, and I'm down for it.

[@jeilisif]

Now we need ultimate kars vs shadow the hedgehog who’s the REAL ultimate life form

[@godzilla4189]

And this is just Canon Kars. Not the rather infamously broken Jorge Joestar novel version. XD

[@karutosenpai3258]

7:38 kars is not a vampire he is a pillar man, a ancient race who created the mask, vampires and ghouls

[@hunter082706]

hes a vampire pillarman, the other pillarmen never used the stone mask

[@darkiyx]

@@hunter082706 One of the pillar men was left a brain

[@hunter082706]

@@darkiyx i mean the ones besides esidisi and wamuu. maybe santana might be a regular one tho

[@tariqhabeeb1357]

Saibaman victim

[@snipingsloth1053]

I love when the ww2 plane goes mftl and is able to keep away from ultimate Kars long enough to fly to the volcano😂

[@heroplanetstudios]

I would’ve loved to seen an entire arc in dbz were kars is the main villain, he honestly blends in pretty well

[@ZennonTheOne]

Remember when Goku sent a rabbit to the moon? Kars is cooked if Kid Goku does that again 💀

[@robloxplays4322]

@@ZennonTheOne I feel like he could actually survive on the moon thanks to tardigrade dna though. Then he can regenerate himself a bunch of times to create enough flesh to make a ladder down to earth

[@robloxplays4322]

@@ZennonTheOne he only froze because of the air he expelled trying to get back to earth. If he got sent to the moon he wouldn’t use that. Plus I also forgot, but we see the rabbit survive in space later on, so Kars could just copy it’s DNA since it’s an earth creature. Apparently humanoid rabbits can survive in space

[@Wezlii530]

@@robloxplays4322 jojo fans actually belong in mental institutions, Kars was sent to space before rewatch part 2 to see what happens when he goes in space

[@robloxplays4322]

@@Wezlii530 yeah, he froze because he expelled air out of his jets. If he landed on the moon he wouldn’t have to do that. He can build a ladder out of himself to get to earth.

[@legi2]

Kars would pretty much become those crazy 2013 DB ocs transformations if he ever meets Goku

[@Geebees93]

He'd get up to the first person who could shoot a laser beam out of his hands. Roshi destroyed the moon in OG dragon ball. In Super, without any additional training, he was dodging Jiren. He would disintegrate Kars instantly.

[@sanslover2355]

I feel like people forget that all pillar men eat people through contact. The only reason joseph doesn't get eaten is because of hamon

[@Solesteam]

12:05 Wouldn't Cell be built of of what Gero could gather off of Kars? So we'd have a Cell as powerful, as fast, and as mailable as Kars along wih everything else the canon version has... This would be a very tough fight, and would likely come down to a battle of wits instead of brute force, cause both of their levels of speed far outclass their strength... Not only would cell win, but he'd mow down the rest of the Z fighters too... I don't see him winning there unless gero just decides _not_ to study Kars....

[@chibiboi2847]

Narrator: KARS HAS BECOME THE "ULTIMATE THING"! Beerus: Supreme kai, did you get drunk while i slept again... with MY offerings?

[@MillieTheSillie616]

Once Kars learns about Cybermen in the saiyen saga he'll be so much less fun to fight. Every fight would be he's punching you and then you realize he's only fighting with one hand and then you turn around and get bombarded by exploding squirrels.

[@Jushy_]

People tend to forget that passing like is to overtake cars that are going slow, as in UNDER the speed limit by passing them AT the speed limit.

[@LucasHenrique-eg8ox]

actually 🤓☝️ kars would copy any alien biology he would see for the first time, araki confirmed that had he came into contact with a stand user he would have developed a stand almost immediately and stands come from a alien virus (he is built different) (sorry for bad english)

[@alexgreer6336]

Would not end up helping, like seriously, Kars has NO feats CLOSE to planetary

[@Zyrdrakyll]

​@@alexgreer6336yea, now he doesn't If he trains, he will

[@alexgreer6336]

@@Zyrdrakyll The title is too vague to say he would train

[@Zyrdrakyll]

@@alexgreer6336 why would he not?

[@alexgreer6336]

@@Zyrdrakyll Ego, despite being smart, he still has a MASSIVE ego, in fact, he got hurt by Joseph's hand, which I can guarantee is NOT ISLAND LEVEL, so he is not even gonna stand a chance against even Raditz fight Piccolo, who could blow up the moon

[@gloombartender6848]

he's the fastest in the universe Burter: hey that's my thing

[@LuisBrito-ly1ko]

I disagree. FTL speeds have been shown in early DB. For example, Goku outsped Tenshinhan’s Solar Flare by taking Roshi’s glasses before the light reached his eyes. He was also shown being able to dodge lightning which requires at least near light speed to be able to. There’s also Raditz being able to dodge Piccolo’s Special Beam Cannon, which reached and destroyed the moon in 2 seconds, practically point-blank. So, Kars wouldn’t be the only one with that speed even early on. There’s also the fact that Guldo from the Ginyu Force can stop time, which Kars has no counter to. So, if Kars goes that far purely because of the stated initial advantage in speed, then he isn’t actually going past early DB. There’s also Arale who could in fact one shot him. The S-Cells can be produced only in tranquil environment. Even if we say that he can produce them in large quantities, those are not the only requisite. According to Toriyama and the Manga, you need also a certain minimum level of power and anger as the trigger ( What Caulifla did was only possible because Cabba told her, so Kars would have no way of knowing there’s a second way ) to be able to transform. And this is also theoretical because Kars would first need to know what the S-Cells are even for, something not even the Saiyans knew. And let’s not forget, that he was still outsmarted by Joseph ( by believing that everything was part of his plan, which was not but he made him believe it ) There’s also the fact that, even if he gets to the Androids Saga, that would mean that Dr. Gero would have had a sample of his DNA which would have made things a bit different. So, I would say that he gets capped at the 22nd Tournament; King Piccolo Saga being generous.

[@arkkon2740]

Reminder that DBZ villains past this point have been caught by the solar flare. Trying to use it seriously doesnt work when there's literal anti-feats for it Lightning timing and light timing are actually very different speeds, but I'm not sure if that matters too much since as I mentioned, a supposedly faster technique catches people all the time, even if they're supposed to be way faster The SBC wasn't point blank, its a decent bit away, not to mention it took about 2 seconds to go across a few feet if you wanna get technical. Guido's time stop only works if he holds his breath and then turns it on, which is actually fairly preventable if you dont actually give him breathing room unlike every dragon ball character ever. Not to mention that his main mode of attack seems to be sharpened rocks and trees, he used like 3 ki blasts during his fight. Arale's canon is barely acknowledged, and you'd have to imply she's actually needed in the narrative otherwise she basically doesn't exist. The other requisite was power, but that seems to be thrown out the window since goten and trunks' strength were unknown at the time when they actually got it. They could have been weaker than Goku on namek, but we don't know that. The only other requirement was rage and stress, but we see how that went. Considering how Kars' emotions are hella unstable, he could feel insulted by just about anything these people do, lash out, and go super saiyan on a whim. He killed a car full of people over the threat of them being near a dog, imagine if they started shooting up a forest like in the cooler movie. Even if he didn't know what S-Cells were for originally, its not like he wouldn't put them to use somewhere if he doesn't just have the genes floating around, but thats an even larger assumption because he had knowledge of his own genetic material pumped into his brain. He knows how his powers work, so he knows what s-cells can do. And trying to make Joseph's brains a negative is crazy, since he's consistently one of the tactically smarter characters in the series. And if you're going off the assumption that this is a chain of events instead of a progressive time jump or something, there would be no Cell, there would be no androids, and there would be no Goku to start that whole thing. If Kars was the one to do start it, then Cell would be made of Kars' and human DNA, thats it. No saiyans, no namekians, nothing with frieza, just him.

[@LuisBrito-ly1ko]

@@arkkon2740 That’s because techniques in dragon ball increase in efficacy whenever their Ki is higher. Your counter argument assumes that techniques remain static instead of improving along with the user, which is what happens all the time. If you’re stronger, your attacks also get faster and more powerful. That’s the quintessential rule in the DB universe. In fiction, that’s usually equivalent. But if we’re gonna go technical, the speed of the lightning doesn’t matter, what matters is the distance at which Goku begins the act of dodging and that’s in the cm, which requires at least near light speed if not more. The third argument is trying to use theatrical speed from the anime as a point. “Point blank” doesn’t mean 1 mm away from you. I’m using ballistic terms and an attack which is faster than light being fired from 5-6 meters is point blank. The Guldo counterargument is both a non-argument and assuming Guldo is alone. The way in which he stops time doesn’t matter because he can stop time and either he or the rest of the Ginyu Force can disintegrate Kars. The whole point behind Guldo’s style of fighting is that when Time is Frozen you don’t have active defense which is why he can kill you ( there’s a reason why he is in the Ginyu Force ). Arale’s canon is acknowledged by the author himself. Not to mention that she saved Goku from General Blue, which means she was important in the story. It was stated that Hybrids are naturally more powerful and with more potential ( meaning that with less training they can jump in power faster ). Both Trunks and Goten were training ( and it was shown ). Kars never felt rage in the same manner as Goku or Vegeta did. The only thing close to that was when Joseph propelled him to the sky using the volcano, and that was arguably more bewilderment than rage. Even when Wamuu and AC/DC were defeated he didn’t rage. So the assumption here is that he would. As for the S-Cell, the reason he could do that was because he had knowledge of all beings on Earth given that he had interacted with them before. You would first need to assume that he knows Goku is an alien and then see these S-Cells at work or see the byproduct of their work, and it’s already very contentious whether or not he can do what he does so the alien life too. Jospeh isn’t stupid, I didn’t say that. I said that Jospeh was not as intelligent as Kars and yet he still tricked him, meaning that any combat genius in DB could beat him on equal footing and if the guy is stronger than smarts don’t matter. As for the last part, if there’s no Goku there’s no Saiyan DNA, which means that he still doesn’t go past the King Piccolo Saga. So, the Androids Saga isn’t even in the conversation. I talked about it in the hypothetical of the video, and not in mine.

[@arkkon2740]

@@LuisBrito-ly1ko so why does the technique not work with goku but frieza and vegeta got caught in it? The gap between tien and goku is WAY smaller compared to krillin and second form frieza, and nothing in the series gives us the idea that it either gets faster or is proportional to the user. Goku is the literally the ONLY character in the series to dodge a solar flare, and somehow everyone else just gets caught. Not to mention that the solar flare is light. Its not heat, its not weight, its just light energy, and the strength = speed argument wouldn't actually work here because that assumes the solar flare is actually doing damage or is being pushed by energy, which gives way to damage if there's enough of it. The SBC still isnt point blank because 5-6 meters is still decently close, every piece of media we see is them being seemingly a lot further. If i were to count in just how many steps it would take before you could touch them, its about 20-30. If you mentioned when he dodges lightning, then that would be fantasic. Otherwise I'd take that from GT, and im pretty sure he gets zapped multiple times And I wanna remind you that Kars' battle IQ made up for his tactician prowess, and that would mean he's *as smart* as Joseph since he had a natural talent for tactics. The information being put into his brain after using the mask again would make him vastly smarter, but mostly because of his knowledge of biology, his tactics wouldn't start improving just because of that so he's still comparable to Joseph in that regard. Mindgames is also his thing, and he's constantly surprised by that because Joseph seems to be one of the only hamon users that actually had the brainpower to constantly outsmart his opponents. Its age vs talent, and theres some things Kars just didnt prepare for because he didnt know it. Also your comment is super long and frankly too spaced out for phones, so ill just send updates gradually. Kars doesn't have the same compassion and emotion for people as he does for nature, thats why he didn't feel anything. He knew Esi was smart and would try to get out of it, but he was more surprised that Joseph could outsmart him than he was about his death. He also knew Wamuu was about honor and had somewhat of a code, so that would probably be his downfall, and he wasn't surprised at all. Not everyone feels a certain way when someone close to them dies, and if you knew what would happen ahead of time and just coped with it, you just dont feel anything. Honestly its a realistic reaction from him. If Kars had access to S-Cells as a product of evolution, he would 100% know what they're used for, thats just how the mask works. If he got access to them after the fact, then its debatable on if he would just know off the bat. That doesn't mean he wouldnt catch on fast though, because he cracked the code to hamon almost immediately despite being unable to use it at any point in his life, so this absolutely works if he can treat his biology like he does hamon. And if that was guido's logic, then that logic is flawed. You're not knocked out in time stop, you're frozen. If you flexed a muscle then its not going to suddenly relax, its staying flexed. From what we understand, being off guard and having your power down are two very different things, and he cant just attack assuming their guard is down when they were on defense before he even used it. You can argue that what vegeta and goku felt was the same when the dog almost got ran over. Goku's reaction to death is very inconsistent, ranging from immediately taking revenge to being in shock and then sitting on the side to take it in. Vegeta just forced super saiyan to happen, he didnt even go through the proper scenario for it to realistically happen. Cool, the author acknowledged the character that he created. Doesn't mean she's integral to the canon. Also considering Arale never got a previous episode or chapter, any other character could have jumped in to get him and nothing changes. Same goes for the episode in Super, it either takes a wish or Bulma's dad to grab anything she needs and nothing changes. Its stated hybrids have more potential, not that theyre stronger overall. Trunks and Goten had zero prior training but they just know how to go super saiyan without even seeing it happen. We still dont know how strong they are, and S-Cells arent the answer as they enable super saiyan and nothing more.

[@LuisBrito-ly1ko]

@@arkkon2740 The reason for this stands on the base power/effectiveness of technique itself. If a technique is already lightspeed when you're moon level, how fast do you think it will be if you surpass that level many times over? And what you say is false because the examples you give are the show's way to tell you that techniques are proportional to the user. Goku was capable of dodging it because he's also a genius, he's not just strong, unlike Frieza who completely relied on his power or Vegeta, who was a Great Ape charging at Goku mid-air ( while Goku also went after him ). All techniques are Ki-based. So, Solar Flare is generated by Ki. It doesn't matter if it's not an attack meant to "harm," even though it technically does because it blinds you and it's not like those who were at the end of it didn't scream. For a ray that is capable of reaching the moon in 1-2 seconds, it being fired at 5-6 meters from its target is considered point blank and that's because of the sheer speed of the attack and the extremely small time it will require to go through that distance ( we're talking about a dozen of nanoseconds at most ). Yes, but that just shows that there wouldn't be the conditions necessary for him to trigger rage and even more so the type of rage Goku or Vegeta felt. The difference with Hamon is that even though he couldn't use it, he had knowledge of it as he battled Hamon warriors before. So, it's safe to assume that he knew the principles behind it after all those years. While Time is Frozen, muscle A may be flexed but not Muscle B unless you're defenses are all up at the same time. But even then it doesn't matter if you're weaker. Guldo could blast Kars away since he had the attack potency to do so. Not to mention that this hypothetical assumes Kars was 100% defenses up, even though Guldo could stop time at the right moment. The scenario I'm talking about is exclusively the Namek one because that's the one that triggered the form. So, other examples really don't matter here. And I highly disagree that it was on the same level as whatever Kars felt with the dog, because it was barely even shown what he felt. He was already serious before the car even showed up and then simply deviated the car and walked away. The point with Arale is simply opinion and not an actual argument. You're essentially saying that because Arale is a secondary character then she's not canon or doesn't matter, while simultanously dismissing the words of the Author. By that logic, Lisa LIsa is not canon because her role could have been filled by any other character and nothing changes. Arale did appear twice in the Red Ribbon Army Saga and Goku was alone. The last part is simply false and is ignoring what I said: already Gohan demonstrated to be stronger than his father when he was kidnapped by Raditz ( which was shown when Raditz got surprised by his power spike and subsequent headbutt ) without prior training. He also showed incredible speed in progress, managing to surpass his father at Age 11. And we could see that Vegeta was training with Trunks ( and even managed to hit him ) and Chi-Chi was training Goten and it's implied that Gohan also trained him since he asked him to throw rock at him ( before he knew he could turn Super Saiyan, which implies that Gohan knew that Goten was strong enough to serve as a training partner, which in turn shows that he trained with him before ). So, we can infer what was their base power based on this.

[@Infoboi664]

HOLY YAP

[@ashimbeast4732]

The whole freezing in space is kind BS. Since, kars should be able to control and increase his body temperature to NOT freeze in space.😂

[@diegokoipera3464]

He can mimic any living thing on earth, but no living thing on earth can survive the temperatures of space

[@thelonesage3146]

@@diegokoipera3464 exactly

[@diegokoipera3464]

Thats why he almost died in that volcano, he couldnt just manipulate his cells to be lava proof, if no living thing is lava proof

[@ashimbeast4732]

@@diegokoipera3464N o. I meant that he can increase his temperature like what happens when you get fever... but you know much stronger .

[@Bichocomscoliose]

​@@diegokoipera3464 Tartigrades tho

[@mossblomma]

I don't see why he wouldn't be able to take and integrate the genetic information of other species, like aquiring Freiza's genetical info after killing him. Having Kars in the universe is just Cell 3.0, he's gonna fuck up everyone and with Ki his space weakness should also disappear.

[@TheTupMan]

I think you could make an entire second video about every possible interpretation of Kars’ abilities limits. Because this was what you think is the most likely outcome, more or less anyway, and you said yourself there’s potentially a lot more he could do if he was given a less literal definition of his adaption/body manipulation.

[@Titaniumtigerzz]

Don’t think he’s getting past daddies easily but if he does nappa curb stomps kars

[@wildera7456]

So basically, he stops pretty early on... unless he is goku?

[@mp9104]

He’d become what cell WISHED he was. If he has training

[@yano5865]

As soon as I heard "scales to faster than light" just gave up. Can't take anything seriously with that much wind being blown up his ass

[@sonickirbys]

Never thought I'd see that squirrel soyjack meme again

[@nathank3407]

Kars, i could see clapping everyone up to beerus hakai is literally erasure of every aspect of a person from existence

[@Coolguy98765]

Where do you break down the Faster than Light feats of early JoJo? I don't recall anything like that off the top of my head

[@dustincompton992]

I wonder how long Kars’ Pillar Man digestion would be useful? Sure, once he’s become Ultimate he doesn’t NEED to eat, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t. And being able to dissolve and absorb flesh not protected by Hamaon might potentially make up for power differences. At least until facing the crazy regen of Cell or Buu.

[@Ihatepual295]

My 3 goats MUI yamtcha. King Pic n chiaotzu slam this whole list

[@JodaroKujo]

Now do how far would Goku get in stone ocean Though It’s pretty simple Depending on which Goku we specifically choose But if it’s SSJ Namek Goku He’s definitely besting everyone Especially Pucci up to made in heaven then we use a stronger Goku from the later arcs Oh yeah and the guy who reminded me of Nappa

[@Miyno]

Yo hella amazing video But ima be dead honest the wobble effect on the images are so damn distracting imo 😭

[@YourLocalD4rkskin]

About 287 miles to empty (on a full tank)

[@toomberrebmoot9244]

Keeping in mind that Vampires in JoJo have unlimited stamina, so he could possibly use SSJ3 better than anyone else as if he mastered the form. In fact, he’d probably have Mastered SSJ right off the bat since the main difference between SSJ Grade 1 and 4 is energy efficiency (that’s why Grade 2 & 3 could technically be called “false SSJ 2 & 3”, since they’re like trying to push past the SSJ barrier without first perfecting the form).

[@TheOblivion5]

Something that occurred to me, if Kars is essentially the culmination of all life, weather you take that to mean just Earth-based or not, wouldn't that include Monster Carrot? So in the opening of Battle of Gods Kars touches Beerus and turns him into a carrot, then Carrorus' rage breaks and he kills Kars while being a sentient carrot, then has Whis ex Machina change him back to normal.

[@GKGames2018]

Funny curiosity, in Canon, Kars and pucci are the only 2 charaters that can MOVE faster than light, other characters can just attack with that speed

[@kakathot8970]

Salad could you do a vid where you use Novel Kars? Curious to see how he does against dbs and db heroes

[@locogiomotocroz4031]

Nice video, but if we truly give Kars the chance to appear in DBZ he would get so damn strong. Even if no ons wants to train him he could learn to replicate Capsule Corp's technology and make his own gravity chamber. He could probably develop a weapon capable of harming most fighters or genetically enhancing himself using the RR army's technology. He would figure out a way to absorb peoples dna, like drinking their blood or chewing their flesh or just consuming anything with dna (assuming he isnt capable of this already) and be could keep training to get stronger, use namekian dna to create weights for his gravity training, learn martial arts by just observing fights, even learning to combine ki and harmon into one to create an even more lethal and efficient set of attacks. He could eventually absorb kai blood, eat a piece of Buu, achieve golden frieza's form, figure out how to harness the great ape power while on super saiyan 3...combine transformations unto one, learn kaiyoken from fighting Goku a few times and using it on top of his transformations. He could collect dna and get stronger from training until he reaches the lever to make Beerus cough with a sucker punch and then get his dna too... The power creep potential would be too much

[@burningxdeath6950]

Genuinely I think the farthest he would be able toake it is the Cell fight if we are taking his speed into the equations the first person to be able to keep up with him would be post gravity training Goku and Freeze. At the point of him meeting up with freeza he would most likely barely be able to out speed freeza and if he can manage to actually do damage to freeza and win then he is getting stopped at Cell, I think the androids are gonna be one of the biggest challenges before Cell, if homie manages to survive the first 2 forms he likely would not stand a chance against perfect Cell. And this is my theory if he was progressing through enemies at the same pace as the Z fighters.

[@mysterym6757]

Saiyans are also born with use of Ki. If he can copy Saiyan DNA and become one himself he's guaranteed to at least get some level of Ki control from it.

[@gabrielcardoso9817]

Sukuna vs The Union (Jujutsu Kaisen vs Undead Unluck

[@deltazygone52]

Jars could just make himself a hybrid saiyan. He doesn’t need to go full one or the other, and if he experimented in his free time he might notice the compatibility of saiyan DNA with others. Then he goes through at hogan training speeds, which is busted

[@jesusbatistasantiago7137]

Can he beat Base Cabba, though?

[@ShockwaveLogicalEditz]

Nope.

[@Carlos1y5-xp5zy]

Yes

[@NoahAngleSuarez]

I think baby would be a good example for why Kars really wouldn’t know how to perfectly use his Saiyan body

[@arkkon2740]

Baby took over people's bodies without any idea of what they were capable of, kars has that information downloaded into his brain already

[@RazakelKairo1994]

Its definitely a hypothetical debate (and partly why Kars is interesting to throw into other verses because there's a lot to unpack), but one thing I'd definitely NOT do if I were Kars in the DB verse is switching freaking bodies. Barring Buu and MAYBE Cell (and mayhaps some outliers I'm forgetting), naturally Kars has some of the best physicality you could hope for.

[@lesscringeymapperdude]

Vegeta after a squirrel rips through his chest: KAKAROT HELP ME AAAAAAA

[@cesarjack-vallee4398]

Literally how is Kars anywhere near lightspeed? I’m confused

[@bathroomcat]

"the ultimate thing" lol

[@AsuraKish8n665]

I don't care if Kars win or lose against any other verse! He Will still be the most Badass villain in History of anime

[@GarrinGarth]

A GAUNTLET OF SORTS?!??🗣️🗣️🗣️💯💯🔥🔥🔥

[@igniouslupus7268]

How far would Kaido go in Dragonball? (definitely don't want this just because I think it'd be fun imagining Kaido and Shenron interacting)

[@DarthSidian]

Kars could actually last in the Dragon Ball world if he is given time to train. He can genuinely just learn anything instantly.

[@Joshua-rp3oc]

Good video

[@cobalt968]

Kars’ intelligence rivals that of Bulma and his ultimate life form abilities enable him to scale really well. But at his core, Kars is a schemer; he doesn’t truly try to achieve martial perfection, instead relying on underhanded plans and his inherent abilities being so broken that he overpowers his opponents. I’d say that his “battle IQ” is lacking compared to the likes of the main Z-fighters as well. I wonder if a sunlight-immune Waamu could fare better in DBZ than Kars due to his warrior mindset? He doesn’t scale as well, but his mindset and battle savviness seems to match that of the Z-fighters better than Kars. He’d likely throw himself into training more than Kars would, who would probably try and figure out a way to hack his biology into doing what he wanted before training.

[@lagswitch109]

I have a question for you salad will you ever cover video game characters and idea I had is replace the ultimate life form shadow vs Kars or replacing Kars with shadow

[@Riff.Wraith]

i fucking hate power scalers claiming 'faster than light' because someone dodges a laser or some other light-speed thing you don't have to move faster than light to dodge a laser you just have to move faster than the person aiming the laser can react to or hell even just be capable of misleading them into aiming at the wrong place

[@genesismultiverse4896]

Kars the legendary super pillerman

[@Joako._CC]

What if Kars was a Z-fighter?

[@ReasonableContrarian]

Loses to raditz If we go wanked forms, he loses to garlick jr

[@robingames2002]

Also to the people in chat novel kars specifically jorge joestar is stated by the author it’s non canon

[@lunakingsley.7247]

How far would the collector from the owl house get in og dragon ball? (I don't think he would get past Og Dragon Ball. They would definitely get along with goku though).

[@JorgeF69]

Wild how karz would body jotara but somehow Joseph managed to body him

[@Nyota7766]

This should be interesting.

[@ginnungagapabyss5639]

What if Goku was Kars? Goku’s ship crashed into Kar's body in space, but Kar's mindless body absorbed the ship& Goku.

[@gladiatorgaming7979]

Novel kars can prob get past buu but anything past that he loses.

[@johnnygongy]

Dang just Kara to hyperversal at this point I'd youre going to blindly wank his power.

[@jojoistaken1]

Dude, I literally just asked my friend this question and then you post a video on it