How Far Can The Ford F-150 Lightning Tow A Trailer?

[@ultrapurebloodstacker3066]

150 miles with 5k load, there i saved you 8 mins time

[@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195]

Yeah most of this video is blah blah blah

[@jerrygundrum1]

On flat ground with a trailer that doesn't have the impact of a standard camper or cargo trailer. It is a BS comparison

[@tompeace2621]

Thank you you did a great job

[@marcuslang6153]

Medium trailer: 150mi towing range Big trailer: 100mi towing range

[@Incab]

Wish I had read this 8 minutes ago. Even less range in winter also.

[@curtisbme]

Great review! Towing is the big question I have with these guys. The other concern around charging which you didn't mention is that most (all?) charging spots are designed like parking lot stall, not a pass-through gas station, so there isn't going to be a way to pull in with your trailer attached and charge (without blocking the lane). This would seem like it could be a big hassle for charging away from home.

[@kenmcclow8963]

There are starting to be pull through charge stations, but most are not. Since the plug is near the front it may be possible to pull in from an angle on an end unit rather than just hang the trailer out in the fairway. Otherwise, it's probably going to be better to charge during off hours when it's more possible to pull across several stalls. It would not be fun to have to drop the trailer every 150 miles during charging and then hook it up again, but at least with the cameras it is not as hard as in the past. I plan to use RV parks, like KOA, to overnight charge the truck and the camper can plug into the truck, or just charge up during the day from solar. I'm also hoping that my travel trailer being under 3500# will not lose as much range as the Airstream that is 1000# more

[@ElroyMcDuff]

I towed a trailer with my Model 3 a few months ago and had to unhook the trailer and park it while I charged at a Supercharger station. I don't tow very often so that wasn't a big deal but I can imagine it might be for some. They'll work out the kinks, remember we didn't have coast to coast gas stations when the "horseless carriage" first arrived. 😋

[@Klemeq]

With a small trailer behind a model 3, parking it, unhooking, and rehooking aren't a big deal at all. It's what I would do without issue or complaint. It gets to be a problem with anything larger than that, with which you should be using a load leveling hitch. That's more time consuming. Not impossible by any stretch but many will find it a nuisance.

[@fastdude2002]

If I’m traveling a few hundred miles I can pull in and fuel up in about 4 minutes. With these electric vehicles when you need to charge multiple times during your trip how long does it take each time to charge the vehicle back up to full to continue trip??

[@Aquilla77]

@@fastdude2002 Minimum of an hour, usually more, depending on the size of the battery. If your below 25%.

[@LovesGrilling]

This kills the deal. Two hours of charging for every 150 miles of driving. No deal. Gasoline / Diesel reigns supreme.

[@izzimichaels2892]

hands down

[@OffTheBeatenPath_]

Don't forget if you need to use the heater. Can lose up to 30% range in cold weather

[@jerrygundrum1]

@@OffTheBeatenPath_ or air conditioning

[@jonathanrose829]

They always will. My Chevy bolt/Firestarter was bought back by gm. I was never so happy to get rid of that time sucking EV. Paying for gas sucks but I am in and out of the gas station in minutes instead of hours. I won't miss the 260 yearly reg fee either. Never ever buy an EV. I Would consider a hybrid

[@THX..1138]

Yeah... MPG goes down by about 10 to 15% when towing with my Dodge Ram Diesel. That still gives me about 600 miles range and diesel is still cheaper than charge stations.

[@patriot5526]

This information is misleading. A Ford F 250 averages 10 to 12 mpg unloaded. The towing capacity ranges from 12,000 to 14000 lbs. When towing in the higher weight range, the mpg changes very little. So the driving range doesn’t change significantly. It will easily travel 300 to 400 mikes without a fuel stop, which takes less than 10 minutes. EV’s are great. I love them, but they’ll never be real trucks.

[@twodogsandtheirfamily]

If you get an aftermarket fuel tank for about $1k you can almost double your range in a diesel too.

[@LovesGrilling]

There are only two chances for EV trucks to be real trucks: 1. Hydrogen powered, or 2. Hotswappable battery "gas" stations. You pull up, slide out a battery, slide in a new battery and you drive away. Till then, F250, F150... any truck buyer should go gas or diesel. This lighning is a toy, even if you arent towing.

[@rollingacresfarmstead206]

Ill buy one as soon as solid state batteries are introduced. 10 years away and expecting 4000 mile runs on a 15 min. charge

[@Mister_Durden]

You probably still save money as long as you can deal with the decreased range.

[@jmpattillo]

Never is a long time.

[@aberration1]

Don’t waste your time watching it. The range is 150 miles in tow 5K 186 miles with 2 inch lift. 125 miles with 2 inch lift while towing 5K.

[@DAnderson410]

Wow from 232 miles of range to 112 miles of range towing. Hope there is a charging station at the boat ramp.

[@jasonross1263]

That is what I have been thinking. Lol guess there will have to be a diesel generator mounted to the bed to charge while I am fishing so I can go home.

[@snip_king428]

Charging stations are popping up as of late.

[@snip_king428]

Charging stations are popping up as of late.

[@jerrygundrum1]

@@snip_king428 so I travel with my camper for less than 2 hours or much less and must stop to recharge for possibly the same amount of time to recharge? These trucks are just rich guys toys

[@snip_king428]

@@jerrygundrum1 I will say, I own both types of cars, and some charging improvements are still needed, especially for travelers.....

[@cessealbeach]

I do my share of towing, I love the F150 and the Cybertruck, But I got issues with "Range Anxiety" so the EV truck is not for me

[@hamSAH713]

maybe a plug in hybrid if you are a environmentally aware or if you are trying to save gas money nowadays

[@davemiller1593]

Will never buy an electric truck, even for personal vehicle. I am a utility contractor pull large loads. These things are useless. I just the dumbest thing. I think government is trying to force us into ev's with the ridiculous fuel prices. Your video is very good.

[@archie_bunker]

Exactly Dave I've been saying the same thing for a long time. This will never work

[@vg3430]

Yep…and then electric rates will skyrocket and everyone will be like: “uh..what just happened??”

[@dickriggles942]

​@@vg3430 Electric rates already jumped in the UK.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

They picked a flat region in order to get the best towing mileage. Try to lift 8 tons a mile or mile and a half up Colorado mountains. Probably can do 75 miles. Good show.

[@jerrygundrum1]

Exactly then an hour wait to refuel assuming there isn't someone else at the recharger

[@archie_bunker]

Exactly.

[@rich.trails]

An ice vehicle wastes all braking energy as heat. An ev can recapture 50% as reusable. So steep hills should affect an ev less than they affect mpg.

[@jerrygundrum1]

@@rich.trails most of the country isn't mountainous or have any hills that makes regenerative braking nearly irrelevant or more than a footnote

[@danielbliss8014]

And then it charges itself as it's going down the hill from regenerative braking. It's pretty much a wash from the flatlands.

[@michaelodonnell7626]

What's the expected life of the battery and estimated replacement cost? For a Tesla it's about 8 years (or 100K miles) to retain 70% of its capacity. If comparable, the F150, in 8 years you'll be able to tow that trailer just 80 miles. To replace the Tesla battery it's $15,000.

[@jerrygundrum1]

With the heavy amp draws and high charge currents, especially if towing, I imagine the batterys will eat themselves sub 150k, if used extensively for towing

[@vg3430]

Great question and one that the EV community routinely avoids.

[@RomansFiveDotEight]

Right now there's not a lot of difference between Lithium batteries. All of these companies are using pretty similar tech. So 8 years is probably a safe bet. Lithium batteries are really resilient to high current draws (which is part of why they're used in EV's) so provided Ford has given it ample cooling; usage shouldn't affect the life of the battery THAT much. That is to say, one that is used for towing almost exclusively will likely last almost as long as one not used for towing. Regarding the Tesla price; Tesla hasn't made just one car for about 15 years now. That's sort of like saying "It costs $10,000 to replace the engine in a Ford." I guarantee you if I ask for a quote on an engine replacement on a 2013 Fiesta, and a 2022 F-350 Diesel, I'll get different numbers. The $15k quote that goes around is the cost to replace the large battery in Tesla's $100,000 maxed out Model S. The Model 3 with the base 50kWh battery costs about $6k for a battery, but it's moot because almost all of them are still under warranty. The cost of a Lithium batteries in 2021 was about $132/kWh. One bit of good news for people thinking about EV's is that Lithium batteries have actually been dropping in price considerably. It was over $600/kWh in 2013 and $160 in 2020. At least... until the latest supply chain crises. Lithium has soared in price in the last year but most analysts think it'll go back down once things settle down and will dip below the $132 figure in the next couple of years, with most analysts figuring somewhere around $90/kWh by 2030. The maxed out F-150 with the extended range battery has a 141kWh battery so you could comfortably expect something in the $18,000 range for a new battery today. If the analysts predictions are right, if you buy an F-150 lightning today, and you replace the battery in 8 years the day after the warranty expires, you'd be looking at roughly $13,000. The F-150 gets roughly 2.2 miles per kWh when not towing. The US average is 14 cents per killowatt hour. So we're looking at roughly 6.3 cents per mile for the "fuel" in a lightning. If we're really generous and compare to the gas F-150 at $3/gal (much less than current prices) and only it's best highway mileage with the ecoboost engine; the fuel in an F-150 ecoboost is 16 cents per mile. At the end of 100,000 miles, the Lightning has consumed $6,000 worth of electricity, and the Ecoboost has consumed $16,000 worth of fuel. Adding towing into the mix changes those numbers, and it changes them in favor of the lightning. Without towing, there's a 10 cent per mile difference. If we accept the 50% premise in the video, that means that the difference between them when towing balloons to 20 cents per mile. (instead of 6 vs. 16, it becomes 12 vs. 32.) So all of that to say; if you do the math and you base everything on averages; both vehicles are likely close to a wash on actual ownership costs. As the fuel savings will be eaten up by the replacement battery. Though there's no hard and fast rule that a battery HAS to fail by 100k; many last much longer. Used EV batteries are also growing in demand for things like forklifts and industrial backups. They still have a lot of life left in them, years in fact; just not enough for a high demand EV. But in applications where weight doesn't matter very much, a used EV battery with it's "remaining" capacity is still desirable over a new battery with the same capacity because of cost. So there could be other factors like the ability to sell the discarded battery. And of course, there's more than just cost. The performance, the reduced pollution and emissions, the ability to power a home, etc., could all be very much worth it to someone. And if you are doing a LOT of towing, then chances are the Lightning is going to come out way ahead provided your needs are met by the range. And a lot of people are. I know a lot of folks who tow a trailer from jobsite to jobsite for whom 100 miles of range would be plenty. AND not everyone pays the national average. If you live somewhere that has cheap electricity at night, you can set the lightning to only charge at night. Electricity in some areas can be HALF what the national average is, changing that equation even further.

[@RJ-pz3og]

Actually ford uses a a very different battery chemistry. Lithium Nickel Manganese. These are used to draw a lot of power and charge quick at the expense of heat and cycle count. Tesla uses lithium iron phosphate which is runs cooler and has a better cycle count but does not lay down the same amount of power per cell. Ford has a special liquid cooling setup for these batteries and has made it easier to replace individual cells, almost as if they knew you will need to service individual cells regularly. We shall see

[@huemongus3742]

@@RomansFiveDotEight I appreciate your long and thoughtful statement. I think the cost of recharging is going to go up significantly when all the energy demand switches from gas to grid. Also, I work in the power industry, they all know it's coming and no one is prepared. Texas and California already have planed blackouts this summer. State and Fed policies can be very difficult to deal with. That's why we hear it would costs trillions to go all green, it's an entire infrastructure overhaul. Not sure how this will go down over the next couple of decades but I'm sure it will be a shit show at the taxpayers expense.

[@BrantTheResidentCalvinist]

I thought this would be a real test. Thanks for giving me things to think about that are obvious to anyone that tows.

[@seagullsbtn]

The conversation is always about range. I get a 33% reduction in range when towing with my F150. But with a 36 gallon tank, I can still cover 500 bladder busting miles. If 150 interstate miles is your limit, and you can afford to wait hours to recharge that’s great. It’s not for me. But Mach E is similar will be added for local runs once costs are comparable.

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

It only takes about 40 minutes to recharge this particular truck at a DC fast charger. That's still not fast enough when you can only go 100-150 miles between charges but let's not exaggerate with claims of "hours". The Silverado EV will be able to do the same charge in about 20-25 minutes and it will get closer to 200 miles of range when towing (Bigger battery and charges at 350 Kw). This would actually be comparable to what I get today in my Duramax: My 26 gallon tank only takes about 20 gallons or so and gives me about 200 miles of towing range. (10 MPG towing) And every time I stop at a truck stop for diesel it takes a solid 20-30 minutes to wait for a lane, get fueled up, get the wife and kids in and out of the bathroom, and then wait for the jackass truck driver in front of me to stop blocking the exit. (It never fails they pull forward and then go inside and take a shower or something while blocking the pump exit) Once the Silverado EV is out the only remaining issue for me at that point is the lack of pull through charging stations.

[@faywhite7886]

@@JeremyAkersInAustin 40 mins btwn 20-80 not 0-100

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

@@faywhite7886 It's actually from 15-80. And 0-100 is a useless metric. Nobody pulls into a charging stall with 0% battery and nobody waits until 100% to leave. You generally pull in with 5-15% and leave at 80%. Assuming you did manage to pull in with 0%: 0-80% would take around 50 minutes. Still not "hours"

[@anydaynow01]

@@JeremyAkersInAustin Maybe in terms of hours added over the course of the entire run if a high power charger (

[@jerrygundrum1]

Lets face it most pickups are used for runs to Ikea or home Depot. Most will never see a trailer

[@johnholst]

So for most duties, these electric trucks are great! But if you ever have to long haul anything with your truck, the ICE models are pretty much a necessity. Still, it's a good start I guess.

[@davidmccarthy6061]

Yeah, most towing is taking your boat to/from the slip twice a year. the landscaping trailer that doesn't go far, etc. Anyone that does real towing understand they have to wait a while yet, and very few DC stations are positioned for an EV with a trailer.

[@cablebox]

Especially until Ford gets into the 800v battery systems and the 350kw DC fast chargers expand.

[@borishorciak181]

Let’s wait for hydrogen trucks.

[@TC-kf9zw]

@@borishorciak181 not going to happen.....

[@theblys]

@@borishorciak181 Most likely not going to happen.

[@mathyouschmitz]

And remember, 40 mins is for 20%-80% not 0%-100%, same goes for range. 112 miles is completely empty, no one ever does that.

[@twodogsandtheirfamily]

That leaves you 60% effective range. Or about 68 miles. Or about 54 minutes at 75 mph. So drive 54 minutes, charge for 40 minutes. That seems great.

[@mathyouschmitz]

@@twodogsandtheirfamily lol yup just wonderful

[@baddriversofthenorcalarea500]

@@twodogsandtheirfamily No, it leaves you 100% effective range. You are not in a rush to get your trailer somewhere. You can wait. The savings are worth it.

[@raynerussell7998]

@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 so lets just take anpther 2 hours to get to where i wanna go to chqrge. Lame....

[@baddriversofthenorcalarea500]

@@raynerussell7998 2 hours you can spend eating, watching a movie, resting, anything besides driving. You arent in a rush. Are those 2 hours really worth TENs of thousands of dollars?

[@SvdaddysWreck]

Soooo. You can go across town when towing a camper. So, guess I'll wait until technology becomes better.

[@zzanatos2001]

150 miles is across town? Where do you live? Chongqing, China?

[@mathewpennington7049]

hopefully we can wait that long with what's being pushed on our nation

[@SvdaddysWreck]

@@zzanatos2001 Think about it. It is 15 miles from my house to the marina. hell, 25 miles from here to the beach, and back. That is 50 miles... going non stop... ok...but... let's say, running the ac on high and alot of traffic lights. 😑 stop and go would kill that range. Especially towing a trailer. I'm not trusting my weekend on a vehicle that I have to recharge...in a spot that isn't made for a truck towing..toeing... much less even getting there to charge

[@juggernaut316]

@@zzanatos2001 in a real world test it got about 75 miles on a full charge

[@neilsimmons7950]

This was an awesome review. Very informative. Thanks very much.

[@Gman-qm6bv]

112 mile towing range! What if I am way out in the country where recharging stations are rare?

[@challengersrt5397]

Then don’t buy an electric truck

[@SeekingYahweh]

Buy a massive diesel generator to re-charge it HAHA I can't see anyone that goes camping getting an EV. Can't recharge in the middle of no where and good luck charging with a 30' trailer behind you at a station.

[@EVBuyersGuide]

If that's not enough range for you the answer is easy: don't buy it.

[@juggernaut316]

don't buy it if you plan to tow anything

[@rightlanehog3151]

Alex, Clearly it is time for BEV pickups to be hooked to BEV trailers :-)

[@EVBuyersGuide]

Talk about trailer payload reduction...

[@cybertrk]

That would help gas pickups significantly as well

[@rightlanehog3151]

@@EVBuyersGuide Yes, that may be true but imagine the increased range ;-)

[@vg3430]

@@rightlanehog3151 And even longer charge times when having to recharge a truck and trailer….so it’s a wash.

[@JeffinTD]

Wow. Thank you guys for taking the time and effort to do this.

[@aaronbehindbars]

Looks like Comfort, TX from the drive videos. Rural locations like this highlight the current limitations an electric pickups that would see regular towing duties. If you need to make a run anywhere west of Kerrville, I don't think there are many EV charging stations, especially when you venture away from I-10. Then, you have a giant battery to recharge every 100 miles, so that makes long distance towing trips that much more difficult.

[@4literv6]

Ok the hummev bit was funny.👍🏻 Almost reminded me of the recent hagarty video of trx vs r1t vs raptor, where they towed a cyclone on a teailer behind the r1t in the 1/4mile and still beat a new Ford raptor while towing over 6k pounds. Just shows the power potential of evs. I can't wait to see where they go in the next 3-5 year's or so. 😁

[@OffTheBeatenPath_]

Plus add cold weather where you need to use the heater = another big loss in range.

[@Anothernerdyloser314]

Does it *lighten* the load? You have a typo in the title.

[@clemzahrobsky2137]

my question about electric PUs is how many times can you recharge the battery before it starts to lose ability to be recharged because I keep my PU 10 to 15 years

[@noahbianchi1920]

You will have to adapt to the new socialist agenda. Long range travel and quality vehicles are capitalists luxuries which must be done away with.

[@rupe53]

most likely the batteries will last as long as they do in EV cars, which means no real issues with 10-15 years for service life. Heck, I know people who are still driving with original batteries on those early EVs, which are now pushing 20 years old.

[@chaplaincrabtree6881]

@@rupe53 Mileage? Fast discharging and charging with any battery kills it's capacitance. There are some battery compounds that are more "resistant" to degradation, but they all suffer it.

[@rupe53]

@@chaplaincrabtree6881 ... I can't say for everyone but seeing 150k + miles and Tesla claims way more than that is possible. BTW, you don't always have to do a fast charge. That's just for the obvious convenience out on the road. I recently spoke with a guy who has a Porsche EV and he claims 25 minutes to go from 10% to 85%, which is handy on a trip. (wife and restroom breaks) Normally he charges overnight in his apartment's garage maybe once a week. He said it was a level 2 so around 30 amps. Not enough to weaken the battery in the long term. He claims 270 miles on a full charge.

[@kainklieman9524]

I remember when a ford lightning was cool, supercharged gas!

[@Jose_Pointero]

I don't think I've ever seen an EV charging station that would accommodate a full size truck and trailer, surely that would complicate things? You would either have to drop your trailer in a parking space while charging and re-attach afterward, or get very lucky with a charging station that you could pull into without blocking traffic...

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

This is a big big big problem right now.

[@Shartybear]

I'm surprised Alex didn't mention this in the video. How many (if any) pull-through EV charging stations are there in North America? That's going to be a deal breaker for anyone who tows long distance.

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

@@Shartybear Yep, this is the #1 issue right now for towing with EVs. Tesla charging stations sometimes have a single "pull through" stall (And it's still not always able to accommodate a large trailer, and if that one station happens to be down, or in use, etc) but I've never seen a pull through CCS station. People need to really make noise about this. Electrify America and other charging station networks need to start installing pull-through stations ASAP.

[@anydaynow01]

Yeah I have seen a couple of them around here but considering how they were installed and the proximity to other parking spaces it would still be impossible to recharge a pickup sized battery without inconveniencing other drivers. Combine that with a 150 to 200 km range when towing, that is a tough ask for anyone outside a city where charging at a decent rate is sparse at best. Ford should partner with a few truck stop companies or even someone like Sheetz to have pull through stalls installed. Also makes me wonder if another reason they are shrinking the size of the cybertruck is so it will actually fit in a tesla stall and passengers won't have to get out Dukes of Hazzard style if someone is parked beside them, trailer or no.

[@thomasklein4265]

@@Shartybear Electrify America just put a pull thru style station with 8 chargers in Baker CA, hopefully there will be more to come.

[@mathieupetit6001]

Finaly a real answer to the most important question. Thank you very much !

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

Funny. Do you guys always tow thousands of kilos around the country? We in Europe have lorries and trucks for that purpose. And they start to deliver electric ones.

[@mathieupetit6001]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 yes we do

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@mathieupetit6001 So you are in the logistics and/or transport/hauling business. MAN, Volvo and Mercedes have started to offer trucks - real trucks not those puny pickups - to European customers. I guess you would say Semi but for us its simply trucks. But the charging infrastructure is not existing and it will take a few years until the public truck parking places are equipped with charging. What I’ve heard Cascadia and Nikola offer electric trucks in the US. Tesla‘s Semi still takes some time. Yes until the heavy machinery is electrified that still takes some time.

[@rolandgodwin2882]

I never lose 50% with either of my Tundra's from 17 highway to 11.5 towing my tractor 2 peices of equipment and 20' trailer. Roughly 10,000lbs. More like 30%. With my 38 gallon tank I can still travel 380 miles before thinking about fuel. Electric is not for me. I have better things to do than sit around every 2 hours waiting on a truck to charge!

[@juggernaut316]

electric loses way more when towing. especially on the highway where it can't use regenerative braking.

[@Kimbrough87]

Thanks for that information very important

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

The base looks like a good entry EV. But recharging for about 45 min out of every three hours on a longer tow trip would test the patience of Job. Charging 45 min for every 4 hours for an empty vehicle is still a buzzkill. But like most EVs for local trips it looks solid... after the infant mortality bugs are worked out.

[@nrprise]

It would actually be far worse than that. The 45 minute charge time is only from around 20%-80% (give or take a few percentage points) and that's IF you get ideal charge rate for the entire 45 minutes. To keep your stops at 45 minutes, you can really only get about 60% or advertised range (never dropping charge below 20% and never filling up above 80%). Then cut that number in half again because you're towing and you're down to 41 minutes every 1.5 hours (assuming highway driving) on the 320 mile battery and 45 minutes every 1+ hours on the base 230 mile battery.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

@@nrprise And you're paying your driver $40 per hour for the monkey business.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

TFL's original attempt to tow 1400miles in the Model X was a real eye-opener. Essentially it failed. For good reasons. And those haven't changed.

[@buzzpedrotti5401]

On the bright side.... think of a nice hour nap every 3 hours.

[@vg3430]

@@nrprise So true. Also add in: IF there is a charging station location where you need it and IF there is a spot available. Current charging station configurations mean you will have to drop your trailer to charge. Plus, with over 200,000 Lighting’s on order (not to mention all the other brand EV’s coming to market) just think how congested charging stations will become. Add on the elephant in the room that NOBODY wants to address: The current electrical grid in the US cannot support this mass influx of EV’s. This is why even now you see reviews where folks can’t achieve the maximum charge rate.

[@jake_from_statefarm7209]

This is perfect for my mom! Thank you so much!!

[@erich5098]

So you have to hook the trailer then take a test inside the truck before you take off?

[@juggernaut316]

if you have to calculate the aerodynamic coefficient of your trailer before you take off, that's a bad sign...

[@USUG0]

in EVs, drag is paramount in estimating how much range you can expect. Unlike in ICE vehicles, weight is a secondary aspect. Unless, you are driving up a mountain!

[@anydaynow01]

Yep or doing a lot of accelerating and decelerating like on hilly winding country roads. The regen will recoup some of it if the battery isn't close to full but with the resistive losses it is not as much as folks think is recovered, it is still better than driving a diesel in that respect and just rejecting all of it as heat.

[@ahighervibe4086]

Weight of trailer still has massive effect especially when towing up mountainous terrain

[@herman5eight]

Found On the Road Dead will take on a new meaning with electric Fords

[@twodogsandtheirfamily]

I get 1-2 mpg less when towing our 7700 lb 32' travel trailer with our 2500 Duramax when towing at 75 mph. We can go about 500 miles realistically before we have to refuel. So when towing with an electric, I can expect to be able to go about an hour or 70 minutes between charging stops, since you really don't want to charge to much over 80-85% and you want to arrive with 5-10% range left. So that leave 80% of the range available as effective range? So instead of 115 miles, you get about 90 miles? And it takes about 30-45 minutes to charge it back to 85%?

[@baddriversofthenorcalarea500]

There is no magic answer. You will save tens of thousands in fuel costs, but you might have to wait a bit longer. Watch a movie while you wait, it isnt the end of the world.

[@twodogsandtheirfamily]

@@baddriversofthenorcalarea500 Can you show me the math that shows that? Buying a new $70k truck vs keeping my old one getting 10 mpg at $5.50/gal. How many miles in the break even at say $0.15 kWh (which is unrealistically cheap). I'll do some, it's about $0.14 per mile for the electric towing, and $0.55 for the diesel, a savings of $0.41 per mile. So to recoup $70k, you would need to drive the electric truck 170,000 miles just to break even on cost vs an old diesel truck. By then you probably have to replace the battery pack while the diesel engine is still going strong.

[@baddriversofthenorcalarea500]

@@twodogsandtheirfamily Easy. Dont buy the 70K trim. Duh. 35K, or 30K with federal rebates. If you have solar at your home (Which you really should by now) You wont be paying anything to charge.

[@Recon9143]

Considering I just purchased a vehicle a year ago, I’m excited to see the improvements 10 years from now when I sell my vehicle lol.

[@paulwatson4189]

I tow from n.c to florida for kart week at daytona in december . The average time is 9 hrs towing a 20 ft trailer. If I did that same thing in a electric lightning or rivian it would take two day's. I would have to alter my route hunting for chargers that may or may not work. Average charging time 1 hr 20 minutes and thats if the chargers are free. If all are in use then add the 1 hr 20 minute plus the time that car's in front of you need to charge. If two electric cars or trucks are in line ahead of you you could be at one charge point for 2 to 3 hr's. In most cases you will have to unhook to charge so you will have to leave your trailer unattended and ripe for your trailer being stolen or robbed. You may be unhooking your trailer 6 times a day and that's crazy.

[@rokos80]

I thought I will wait for the F150 lightning,but I bought a 2018 f150 platinum max towing capacity , extended range fuel tank, nothing else beats towing my camper 340 miles a (extended)tank of gas, If you have to pull, ev is not the future

[@TheFlooringInspector82]

I agree, I'm all for bettering the technology around EVs but currently if you routinely put several hundred miles per day on your vehicle for work or you tow longer distances somewhat regularly then this just is not the way. The lightening is cool and will serve a purpose for those who only occasionally need a "truck". The weekend warrior that makes runs to home depot and to take the trash to the dump, only drives 30-50 miles a day to and from work, etc. That's where this truck fits in. If you haul heavy and or frequently you should probably stick to the internal combustion engine alternatives.

[@silvertad3833]

Tow and Pray

[@majorfrostbyte7022]

I'll say what others have said, great review. This is the type of info I need although it is a bit disappointing. The big problem I have with the Lightning is infrastructure. I have an older F150 and pull a 19' Nash camping trailer. Yes, I get less fuel efficiency when pulling vs not, but less than your 50% estimate, and refueling/recharging is both quicker and more ubiquitous in rural areas. When rural Montana gets more L3 chargers and/or EV ranges improve I am down for it! Ironically, the extended range isn't far off my 90's ICE F150 range, but a quick fill up in Augusta or Trout Creek gets me where I'm going. If there was L3 charging, okay I take a 20 minute walk, but currently I'd be parked for half a day only half way to my destination.

[@jeepxj]

Gona be a long long time for rural electric towing. the grid needs major upgrades to handle full electrification for the amount of towing that occurs in rural america.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@jeepxj Then they will do just that. There is no alternative.

[@jeepxj]

@@wolfgangpreier9160 sure. just takes effort time and money.

[@PersonaN007Grata]

There ain’t even clean water in Flint Michigan. In 2022, 42 million Americans don’t have access to high speed internet. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

[@wolfgangpreier9160]

@@johnniewalker3029 I express you my deepest condolences for the loss of your legs.

[@AmericanDuck]

I think we can all agree, this is a city truck. I rarely tow less than 100 miles one way because I only use trailers for moving goods from town to town and usually 6000lbs or more. I would love an EV truck, but it just doesn’t make sense yet. Maybe if it was just for bed-only transports in town, but I can get a used truck for so much less that does it all. It would take something like 15 years to recoup the cost difference even with the higher gas prices. Time is also money, so remember that.

[@fubuh8r]

Going on an RV road trip would be a PITA. You’d have to unhook every single time to get access to a DCFC. Need to make pull through DCFC access.

[@nrprise]

Range and charging speed are definitely going to be the issues here that limit widespread adoption. One thing he forgot to mention is that EVs charge the fastest between around 20% and 80% charge. The max 150kW DC fast charging rate supported by the F150 is only going to happen within that range. That's also why a lot of the material released on EVs related to charging always goes something like: "charges from 20% to 80% in ## minutes. For the F150, I believe they advertise 41-45 minutes (depending on battery option) charging time from about 20-80%. That significantly changes the math. If you actually want anything even resembling "fast" charging (if you consider 45 minutes fast), you cannot let charge get below about 20% nor can you wait around for charger to get vehicle much above 80% without investing significantly more time at the charger. Therefore, even before reducing range by 50ish% due to towing, you've got to reduce it by 40% (to stay in 20-80% charge band). Math for the base F150: 230 miles X 60% X 50% = 69 miles. That means to DC fast charge at best rates, you can probably only really travel about 69 miles between charges. Therefore for any significantly long towing trip (especially on highway), you'd be stopping about every hour for at least 45 minutes of charging (assuming you even get ideal max charging speed). It's only trivially better on the extended battery model (can't even buy at base trim and have to pay nearly 2x price). 320 miles X 60% X 50% = 96 miles. Every 1.5 hours you're stopping for at least 41 minutes. There are EVs on the road now and stations that support 350kW charging rates. Given that, I honestly feel like it's not even realistic to tow regularly with an EV truck unless it has a minimum of 300+ miles range (while also being affordable and not requiring 2x cost by only being offered on highest trims) AND 350kW charging support. Then, you can drive about 1.5 hours while towing and charge in around 20 minutes. Range extenders or battery swaps (both becoming dirty words among EV purists) are also potential solutions but neither are likely to ever be supported. I personally think a modular range extender running on hydrogen (since it's likely the direction long haul trucking will go if/when pushed off of fossil fuels) would make some sense given that people towing already often use truck stops for fill ups since they are often easier to navigate with large vehicle. Topping off both your battery AND your hydrogen fuel cell range extender at the same stop could make real sense. However, there would be significant technological hurdles in getting any significant power from a range extender delivered directly to vehicle batteries in a safe manner.

[@dickriggles942]

TL;DR- Gas cars are still better.

[@sdtaylor07]

I have owned and towed with multiple SUVs as needed. I’ve already purchased an EV (Model Y), but it’s good to see that BEVs are able to maintain a towing distance consistent with my use case (I.e. around town, random moves, etc.). Also, great quality video explaining and answering the question. Really levels expectations. Bottom line, IF you need to tow 12,000 pounds for 300 miles, then a BEV isn’t for you and that’s okay.

[@djryan8944]

People keep focusing on towing… yes, you lose 50% towing but dang I lose 30% or more just driving my Model S on the highway going 80 mph. People don’t think or realize that when buying an EV.

[@archie_bunker]

I'll walk before buying an Ev

[@vg3430]

Try driving 65 and realize the exponential increases in fuel efficiency (gas or electric). It amazes me today how many people are driving 80, 85, 90 mph and then turn around and complain about cost of fuel. And please, no ludicrous arguments of “I’ll cause an accident if I don’t drive that fast”…I drive the posted speed limit or 5 mph less and have NEVER caused an accident.

[@djryan8944]

@@vg3430 speed limit is regularly 75 and 80 in Texas. Driving slower can be dangerous.

[@vg3430]

@@djryan8944 drive slower, save money. Remember what speed LIMIT means??? That is the absolute fastest you should be legally driving, not the minimum or required speed. I drive in Texas all the time…65mph in the right hand lane and never a danger to anyone. It makes for a relaxed drive because I’m not weaving in and out of lanes or constantly hard braking as happens in the “fast” lane. You should try it sometime. Leave 10 minutes earlier, save money and enjoy a less stressful commute.

[@nathanwilliams9577]

@@vg3430 agreed. After too many tickets, I’ve moved to the right lane and stick to the posted speed limit. When towing, I don’t tow faster than 65 mph because range starts to drop significantly.

[@racekar80]

I have an EV, use it every day to commute. I also have an F150 to tow my race car. I would never stop every 100-150 miles to charge a pickup, it makes no sense considering I am doing 300-500 mile trips. The EV ford is great for local contractors, can use the truck to power tools, and charge every night. As a long distance tow vehicle it’s a fail and currently no EV is good for this task.

[@gazjaz2010]

@racekar80 well said, it's horses for courses. the haters can't or don't want to understand what the Lightning is engineered for

[@Wised1000]

Excellent analysis. Well done!

[@wes326]

Good for commuting and trades, bad for long-distance travel especially when towing. I would like a plug-in hybrid, electric for commuting and gas for towing.

[@izzimichaels2892]

the perfect combo.

[@monicanasser9503]

Charge time 14 hours at 220volts.

[@archie_bunker]

No thanks I'll never buy an of this EV crap

[@johnmaida160]

Great video! I want one, Big question....how do you pull into a charging station with a trailer attached? Is there room? Or do you have to un-hitch?

[@owensands6151]

As of right now, you would have to unhitch the trailer. I’m sure as evs become more common, charging stations will look more like regular gas stations

[@Dave-ms1wi]

charging port is on front fender so just pull forward to charger

[@zoobrizz]

I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮

[@richardgeorge6508]

My question is how well do they handle sway when towing 32 feet camping trailers

[@chuckbolik7060]

I got "0" info form that.

[@amatthews8827]

It does have trailer sway control just like the gas version and it works great on them.

[@Owen-dw5hj]

I can’t wait to spend $120k just to be able to tow my trailer 30 miles away. Boy things have changed quick.

[@zzanatos2001]

EVs are still in their infancy. We are essentially in the "Model T phase" - but if gasoline prices keep climbing, you will see even more people clamoring for EVs, and manufacturers will step up their game.

[@SliderFury1]

@@zzanatos2001 they'll step up their prices is what they'll do.

[@nathanwilliams9577]

For real world towing, I don’t know where this “50% reduction in range for gas F-150s” comes from. My previous ‘12 F-150 Lariat 4x4 with 3.5L Ecoboost and 6-speed auto would get 18-19 mpg on a 75 mph road trip with no load. Towing a 6500# travel trailer at 65 mph she only managed 5-8 mpg depending on speed, wind and terrain. It was usually in the 6 mpg range. That is a 60-75% reduction in range. My ‘21 F-350 Lariat Tremor with the 6.7 Powerstroke and 10-speed auto registers 20-24 mpg at 75 mph with no trailer. When towing a 10500# travel trailer at 65 mph, she manages about 12 mpg. These “tests” are so misleading for the uninformed. Real world towing numbers usually suck.

[@EVBuyersGuide]

It depends on what you're towing. So, as I said, transfer the reduction you see in your current F-150 into the Lightning. If your trailer drops your economy by 60-75%, then that's what will happen in the Lightning. My 14' box trailer drops the economy of most tow vehicles by about 50%, my 26' flatbed by around 30% when empty, but depending on what I put on the flatbed it could be 50-70%. That's why the main point of this video is: there is no one answer.

[@nathanwilliams9577]

@@EVBuyersGuide I agree with that answer. I was trying to offer some real world data from an end user to help show that nothing is cut and dried.

[@DAnderson410]

@@EVBuyersGuide There is a general answer I think, the range reduction is significant when towing. It’s seems that a larger battery with more range will be necessary after the 1st generation release. Still exciting stuff, it’s a start for a whole new way powering our vehicles! Thanks great vid!

[@Upliftyourbrothers]

Just got done doing a 3300 mile rv road trip. With a 2006 5.9 dodge Cummins- crew cab long before 4x4- I was towing a 32’ bumper pull at about 6500lbs. Used 274.3 gallons of diesel- paper math works out to be 11.9 mpg. Tried to keep speed under 70mph.

[@Incab]

@@Upliftyourbrothers Holy hell. I couldn't imagine doing that with an EV where you have to stop every 100 miles to charge for an hour.

[@sappysuds4545]

They generally recommend 3/4 ton trucks for hauling horse trailers. I've heard the lighting is more bottom heavy so easier to control. Curious if anyone has hauled horses up and down mountains in the lightning and if they have encountered issues with breaking for fish tailing if there is wind.

[@stevenkuai3511]

Is this a new channel from Alex on autos?

[@EVBuyersGuide]

It is!

[@jongonegone1262]

this is your ford sales person, dont blame me, and dont return it.

[@anthonystamper3355]

I like it! Can I fast charge the truck off a generator? I rarely tow less then 400 miles round trip for recreation.

[@joeyriveira6697]

What is life expectancy of the batteries & what is replacement cost of the battery on the lightning . Now that has to be factored in for true longevity review . Know one ever talks about battery life or replacement cost . Then there’s the true fact of how long is this battery gonna be available with the constant progression for more efficient batteries . I myself am a die hard diesel driver & know the at o can up my efficiency with tuning . Plus I can fix anything on my truck on the side of the road if needed . What’s the chance I can fix an electric vehicle ???

[@cooper1507]

The other thing too is it seems like Ford did little to improve the drag coefficient between the gas F-150 and the F-150 Lightning.

[@ryanolson2430]

It's like the company thinks with a foggy brain. #1 should be aerodynamics, they kept the flat front, huge mistake.

[@robhar82]

What is the lifespan of the batteries in these vehicles and how much to replace them, also how much will power bill increase to operate vehicle.

[@RobertKohut]

...and how about charging while towing... :-)

[@outspoken78]

Did you have to go with the larger battery package on that truck?

[@crazymaze93]

So we need a Gas generator or some kind of extra cell just in case just to drive 3 hours away. Sorry, until you can tow 300 miles on 1 charge, not interested! The infrastructure for electric vehicles should be worked on and with a priority or there is going to be big problems! So much needs to be done to soon currently! Besides charging what about Fire Departments and all other First Responders? Percentage wise are they ready for how to treat accidents with cell packs where the vehicle is on fire?

[@ryanolson2430]

Ford doesn't want to kill their internal combustion engine quite yet, and they don't have the technology to do any better. They are 4 -10 years behind Tesla. The cyber truck will be a super car, and a towing machine.

[@vulpo]

Trailers will affect the range of an EV about the same as it will a gasoline vehicle. The big difference is that the gas vehicle's gas tank can be refueled in 5 minutes where as the EV will take an hour and a half to recharge - and that is provided that you can find a DC fast charging station where you need it.

[@zoobrizz]

Wrong. I get app a 22% reduction in my Chevy Silverado. Not 50% 🤡☝️

[@tallll70]

Rivian lost 40% range with 2k lb tow, so it will be better with bigger motor and battery, but it will also be heavier truck and consequently bigger battery to charge

[@ConnieGrippin1955]

I take exception to your comment that my diesel truck when I hook on my big horse trailer I'm automatically going to get 50% less mileage. I have not found that to be true in my 30 years of hauling. I do find it concerning that you can't get very far without having to charge. Whereas with my one ton diesel and the auxiliary tank I can drive 14 hours...

[@jasonhoge5333]

These are for people that dont do much truck stuff more for city type people that maybe get some mulch ,grocery shopping ect..

[@Tinrs80]

absolutely best here💯 im more clear on the issue.. thanx

[@billrasmussen4196]

What happens to the range when you do what it's supposed to be able to do? Carry 1/2 ton around?????

[@billrasmussen4196]

What happens if you're towing and carrying 500-1000 lbs in the truck? (Will it move?)

[@eric-lo6xt]

I wonder if you charge it while driving with a portable generator in the bed of truck

[@donnierittenberry5515]

I can drive over four hours in my gas powered truck fill up and keep going

[@archie_bunker]

Exactly Donnie

[@elengeniero1]

This is the absolutely best review I’ve found on the F150 lightning towing capability. Makes me feel a lot better about buying one. Great job.

[@archie_bunker]

Electricity is going to double, it will cost you the same as gas to run that piece of junk

[@zoobrizz]

Yes. I’m completely convinced that I don’t want a EV truck. 🔥🤮

[@JensSchraeder]

So how are you supposed to pull into a charger with a 25 foot trailer?

[@alleyoop5185]

You unhook every 112 miles or so, maybe wait for an open charger, then hook back up and drive for another carefree 112 miles, rinse and repeat,,,,

[@oldfordman68]

Well I have watched a bunch of these reviews on KZbin and I like what I see however my local dealership says they were only allowed 1 this year and they don't know how many for next year I will consider one if ford steps up production so I can just go get one without having to wait a year

[@jerrygundrum1]

There is a lot to like if your trips are to the soccer fields or home Depot. Won't work for guys who actually need a truck

[@cooper1507]

I'm curious when it comes to the weights of those trailers with an internal combustion engine what are the mileage impacts? Is it on par with what was shown with the F-150 Lightning? Also curious what if you take a 15 min charging break how many miles would you be able to add at like 50% charge?

[@noahbianchi1920]

I pull a 27’, 7,500 lb, tall travel trailer. Going 70 mph I get 8 mpg out of my Ram. Refuel stations are plentiful and fast. That can never be said for these electric pickups.

[@cooper1507]

@@noahbianchi1920 Good to know. And I think you are right refueling is a challenge but I don't think an impossibility. Given some more time trucks can have 700 mile range and charge in 5 min. Just something that will take time for nerds to crack.

[@owensands6151]

I’ve towed 3500 pounds in my f150 with the 5.4. My mph dropped from 16 to I think 12.5 wasn’t paying much attention to it. So while there is a drop with towing, I was still able to go about 450 miles without stopping. Which was great since I was coming from rural Louisiana to Dallas Texas

[@Incab]

1973 F250 .. I get about 10 mpg normally. Towing I get about 10 mpg. Doesn't make much of a difference if there's weight in the back or not. 1998 F150 .. I get about 15 mpg normally. Towing I get about 11 mpg. That's with an 7x10 duel axle open filled usually with firewood up to the 4' ish mark. Both trucks I stop for gas before 200 miles (duel tanks on the '73 could go further). With ethanol I know you can run tanks low but I'm old and set in my ways so keep topping off on trips. Last summer I did 27 tow trips on a job between Spokane and Portland. 350-ish miles one way. About 7 hours with a rest stop or two doing the speed limit. In the lighting it would take about 11 hours one way with the F150 Lighting assuming instant no wait access to charging stations in the middle of Eastern Oregon and South Eastern Washington. If EV becomes wide spread I think I'll try and find a towing company that's public to buy stock in.

[@mrrod3004]

@@noahbianchi1920 you need a tune m8, i get 16 to 18 mpg pulling over 10k pound rv and 22mpg empty at 85 mph..6.7 cummins

[@mattrandolph4006]

@ 1:48 HOLY STABILIZATION BATMAN! Hold that camera still! Hand me a barf bag! I can intentionally shake a camera and it still wouldn't be that bad! Up your game man!

[@benderbalsam7066]

I'm not familiar with Electrify America stations. Are any designed for charging the F150 with a trailer attached? Or do you have to disconnect the trailer before charging? Thank you.

[@JeremyAkersInAustin]

You almost always have to disconnect, unfortunately. I really hope Electrify America takes notice and does something about this quickly. We will see.

[@TundraTalk76]

I like the idea of the EV truck, but I tow a lot and the infrastructure is non existent. I’ll stick to gas/diesel for a long time until this technology is much further advanced.

[@williamconrad1087]

I agree. Let’s see where it is in ten years when I will be thinking about retirement.

[@colbiecolbie6979]

What about plowing snow in the cold in canada

[@bryaninnc5511]

No thanks. EVs are great commuters, but a hybrid system makes more sense in a work truck - good MPG around town and still able to tow some distance.

[@glhc28]

So 100 ish miles pulling an average load?

[@danh8302]

Yep that’s me, with that trailer, 75-80mph often.

[@danclary6609]

One pedal braking activates the stop lights and trailer brakes. Thst will be a mess with the regen and trailer brakes having no coordination.

[@russellb.6785]

A range of 150 miles doesn’t seem practical for a tow vehicle. Are you going to drop your trailer somewhere on a trip to go charge?

[@robsimpson1434]

What color is this truck?

[@mickjr92]

so 50% range which means your charging 2x as much which would result in the battery needing to be replaced 2x as fast.

[@Aquilla77]

I would love to have a side by side full cost comparison of gas VS ev on a long range tow. like 1200 miles. Why wont anyone do it??? Pretty sure it will debunk the propoganda that it is cheaper than gas!

[@Plinian]

Probably because paying $8 for a bag of chips and a coke every 150 miles proves to be quite inefficient for EV owners 😂 In all seriousness though, that calculation becomes complex when you try to boil down the per mile maintenance costs of ICE trucks because each vehicle and situation is unique. Potential battery degradation in EVs should be considered. It’s also important to quantify time in terms of monetary cost. At some point, I would think the cost of paying commercial drivers would to sit at charging stations exceeds the cost of gasoline or diesel fuel. Outside of commercial driving, it’s subjective how a person might value charge time, and whether they consider it to be wasted time or useful for other purposes (like working remotely). Like you, I would be very curious to see something like this, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting.

[@macflyguy5166]

Need to include a plutonium option to keep the battery charging

[@Incab]

They would have to add a limiter so you couldn't go 88 mph.

[@randyclifton1972]

Major downgrade going to ev. I just can’t believe people are paying for this junk and you don’t even get a nice sounding exhaust, yeah count me out for sure.

[@dfiegel421]

👍👍 good job

[@IndyDog-ns8ws]

I noticed charging stations are kind of out in isolated areas. Seems to be ripe for criminals to move in. Be aware.

[@KTPurdy]

Yep, this is the big question.

[@timothyhoffman9096]

LMAO No wonder you’re not seeing too much information out there about mileage and towing, can you imagine what happens to this vehicle in the middle of winter with the heat on pulling a trailer? You would be lucky to make it around the block.

[@dreamhackian4864]

LOL

[@jeffcanto]

Sounds to me like trailer manufacturers need to build batteries into there trailers?

[@bentongardner3544]

You should talk about how is someone supposed to charge the tow vehicle when a trailer is attached… no pull through charging stations

[@ElroyMcDuff]

A pull through charging station would allow a tow vehicle to charge with a trailer attached.

[@archie_bunker]

This will never work

[@archie_bunker]

@@ElroyMcDuff what about others that want to charge? Do you how many miles of area you need so others can pull in and charge? Come on this crap will never work.

[@ElroyMcDuff]

@@archie_bunker I'm not saying that EVERY stall would need to be a pull through charging station, maybe just one per facility on the highways between towns. Big deal. I recently went on a road trip with a trailer and had to uncouple it and park it a few feet away while I charged for 20 minutes. The horror! In other words, it will get better. As many others have said, there weren't thousands of gas stations all over the place when "horseless carriages" first arrived...

[@vg3430]

@@ElroyMcDuff There also wasn’t millions of miles of roads that we have today, so there was no need. Plus, your “horseless carriage” wasn’t capable of more than a couple hundred miles before a full tune up and maintenance was needed. Can’t compare the roll out of automotive technology then to automotive technology now…it’s an argument that holds no water.

[@Toguro-oy3ld]

How about a trailer with batteries and electric motors that plugs into the truck to add range?

[@zoobrizz]

Junk

[@SimBarhoum]

The Lightning (like all EV's) can't yet tow with ranges similar to ICE trucks. When you tow something extremely wind resistant, or drive above 65mph, it makes the range go down significantly, just like an ICE vehicle. If you tow, while driving 65mph or less, have an aerodynamic camper or other towing feature, and drive more mindfully, you can get 150-250 miles on the extended range truck. Conditions will vary. Overall, the Lightning's cost for driving is about 85mpg in comparison to an ICE F150. If you have solar, your cost is close to zero over time. The Lightning is 70% less harmful for the environment over the life of the vehicle. Yes, the EV infrastructure isn't adequate yet in some parts of the country. It is improving every day. If you drive over 250 miles a day, then the current Lighting might not be for you, unless you are okay with planning ahead and finding routes that work for you. For most of us who drive less than 250 miles a day, the Lightning is a great choice. It's even a great choice for many people who tow occasionally. For others, the ICE is a better choice. It's all good either way and make the choice that is best for you.

[@amop33]

All these EV videos and they never demo the charging experience. Charging at home aside.

[@archie_bunker]

Or the monthly electric costs that the average person cant afford

[@dickriggles942]

Because it's horrible.

[@EVBuyersGuide]

We have videos on that over on the main channel. Fact of the matter is that well over 95% of charging is at home or at work (for now.)

[@EVBuyersGuide]

Charging for most people will be less than a comparable gasoline vehicle, and in some states it will be considerably less expensive. Besides, if you can afford a $70,000 truck, I'm pretty sure you can afford the fuel...

[@dickriggles942]

@@EVBuyersGuide This is such a lame excuse. Like saying a soldier doesn't need to be trained for battle because they spend most of their time training, lol. 🤣

[@juggernaut316]

wow drops it to 112 miles. which means you realistically get about 75 miles a charge. insane.

[@aladeenyos6921]

I’m not even 1 minute in the video and I can already tell the lightning can’t move the stuff I try to lmao