How far is TOO FAR behind for supports? | Spectating Overwatch 2

[@ShoppingEagle13]

Me, watching: Wow, these guys really aren’t all that great Also me: *recognizes most of the names in the match* 👀

[@FenekkuKitsune]

Honestly, regarding the overtime stack the cart thing... Part of it is that a lot of people are so untrustworthy with cart time. It's the paranoia of "If I'm not on the cart, they're gonna get off the cart and we're gonna lose". So many games I've lost to people getting off the cart when being trusted with it...

[@Milky_Mercy]

1:45 Emongg explaining the joke is like my 6 year old when he tells jokes

[@sethescope]

there are so many times when this player looks at their critical doomfist and goes "nah you don't need harmony orb, go fuck yourself." like, is it probably going to save doom? maybe not, but you're not even trying to help them. you're choosing to not give them a chance to survive. and you're denying yourself precious ult charge by failing to help your doom. even if they die, that's ult charge for you and an ult that can save fights, rounds, and games. and as zen, you can try to save your tank from relative safety. it costs you NOTHING to at least try to help them. but instead, you just let them die. you really need to work on that.

[@joelhenderson3723]

And the icing on the cake is that healing doesn't even cost you time as Zen. A single flick across your teammate and you are back to dealing damage.

[@BrittanyBaker-jt8ky]

I feel like Emongg’s favorite condiment is definitely ketchup. Big ketchup energy!

[@SuperAmericanism]

Ketchup is the worst condiment other than fries 😅

[@euuuughhhh7799]

@@SuperAmericanismmayo is worse edited out an extra word that was thrown in

[@sethescope]

I did not expect this comment to make ME desperately curious what sort of condiment energy I give off irl lol but I agree about emongg, I didn't know what ketchup energy would even look like until you pointed it out and you're so right about it

[@SuperAmericanism]

@euuuughhhh7799 when I worked in a restaurant we had to order boxes with just a medium trash bag sized bag full of mayo. The sight, smell and viscosity still haunts my dreams

[@sethescope]

@@SuperAmericanism ....... that is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard of and I'm so sorry you had to deal with it

[@gunk2542]

i really liked the joke where you said the doomfist had a greedy play referencing his username because it was greed, it was pretty good since you made a joke referencing his username and i wouldn’t have realized his username was greed if you didn’t explain the joke so nice one

[@ChonkLantern]

I didn’t even realize his username 😂😂😂

[@sonicstar7374]

Me realizing that the Doom, Junkrat and Soldier are queuing together since their names are 3 of the 7 deadly sins: *happy HH and HB noises*

[@Wynorrific]

I didn't notice until he made the Greed joke and then I saw Junk was Lust

[@bryantromero9033]

Really happy someone else noticed that

[@malin1884]

Does emongg like food by any chance? I wonder what his favourite condiment is.

[@grife3000]

He never answers favorite questions, he loves everything equally it seems.

[@floflofloflo8608]

blatantly a bot comment

[@vent_ymtc]

I remember when emongg would eat chipotle every day

[@chloeeig]

most ppl like food, we need it to survive 🙏🏽

[@Pillowpetlover]

Honey mustard most likely

[@HmongHeroo]

16:45, that lucio on cart lived for so long edit: also, F to pay respect to that Ram canceling their own ult at 20:15

[@CaliDabbin710]

This person was probably spamming "come to me for heals" lol

[@nopunintendid]

My favorite condiment is the friends we made along the way

[@Real_MisterSir]

One of the biggest differences between lower ranks and higher ranks, is two fold: 1. How quickly do you realize there is an issue you need to adapt to? (like your hero/playstyle isn't working with your team) 2. How quickly do you arrive at a workable solution to that issue? like picking Zen instead of Lucio/Kiri) That's in this case evident. You actually arrive at a playmaking decision (swap to Zen and roll enemy) that is multiple skill tiers above silver, but you're still primarily held back by how much time it took you to arrive at this gameplay correction. You are wasting a lot of time, well basically over 75% of the match timer you have available, before you reach the point where you actually make the good play. So the biggest difference between your current rank, and the rank you want to climb towards, is simply put that your troubleshooting process is too slow and you're spending too much time forcing a hand that just isn't playable with the cards on the table (aka your team and the overall synergy between you and them). My advice in how to become better at quick decisionmaking, is to pick just 2 support heroes and main them exclusively, and develop distinct playstyles for each - where they compliment each other's weaknesses. For example Kiri and Zen. Play Kiri in comps where the team dynamic is slower, methodical, and wants to push into the enemy team's frontline. On the opposite side play Zen where your team is high pace, more aggro, and want to play for a lot of space utility. Also pick Zen when you can contribute with more solo carry pressure potential (like when enemy don't use heavy amount of shields or play lots of high grounds etc, or they have direct target players towards you such as Tracer, Sombra, etc). When you have practiced these two very distinct types of playstyles with Zen and Kiri, now every time you're in a match you will be able to much more quickly read the synergy and dynamic of your comp, and make a hero pick+playstyle decision off of it. You will not waste 7/10 minutes per match being stuck on the wrong hero+playstyle, because there will be two sets of playstyles actively engrained into your mind and the knowledge of the strength of each type of playstyle+hero will be clear to you in the blink of an eye, rather than in the span of 3-5 business days.

[@telco_]

21:30 "The Reinhardt is on Rein" Emongg, 2024

[@capsNats]

Whatever you do, KZbin, do NOT talk about the incident!

[@culein]

!timeout capsnats

[@zarikster9792]

Im genuinely curious, ive seen people mention in stream too. Whats the incident

[@Princ3ssCai]

@@zarikster9792 On the green screen part emongg was trying to draw or something (I forgot) and every time it kept turning the screen around.

[@sethescope]

@@zarikster9792 there's actually no incident! at least im terms of the timeout thing. it's a meme based on how emongg is absolutely the last person to have any kind of incident - he's very wholesome, he isn't the type to cause drama, etc. so if you see someone in chat get a message deleted and then a stream bot says something like "don't talk about the incident," it's just a meme for fun.

[@Jordan-dg8tp]

Also if there's one thing to remember from these videos - Five people doing the same thing, even if it's "wrong" is better than 4 people doing something wrong and 1 person by themselves doing it "right".

[@bellarue6738]

Honestly, the kiri gameplay looks like more Ana positioning, not perfectly but going on third point in the first round, that’s roughly an Ana spot to help your team from a great sight line

[@madlight5380]

That poor Doom bro, barely got heals from zen😂

[@vent_ymtc]

I prefer to be at least 69m from the frontline, unless I'm on Zen. Frontline Zen, best Zen.

[@sethescope]

I mean, if you're not frontlining as zen, are you even playing Zen? let's be honest with ourselves! hehe

[@TS-uu4hp]

My general rule of thumb is, what can I get away with? Do they have a sombra/tracer? Does my team need help with them or are they doing fine? The space between my team and me is determined on what makes the most sense for our team/map.

[@michaelroji]

i feel like he's just not being critical enough, maybe because it's silver, maybe it's just because Emongg is so nice, but there were just so many suzu's on full teammates with no one around. Normally right before the fight started when they might be useful

[@rickkau7826]

I like watching everyone stack up behind Rhine and watching them scatter when he gets hacked.

[@jackh1661]

I bet Emongg's favourite condiment is Ranch, especially on pizza and chiki wings

[@icycloud6823]

That kind of positioning can kinda work on Ana. But even for Ana having that kind of narnia positioning can be an issue. If you are playing that far back, you are basically limiting yourself only to scoped heals and scoped heals alone. Unscoped healing would be stupid since you are so far away that it doesn't matter if the enemy can see your shots and they can't really punish you for scoping in, you probably won't be able to hit nades reliably from that far back, sleep darts you are just chucking and praying, and you are outside of range of nano so if the opportunity comes to nano you are just completely giving up on that opportunity. Just don't play in that kind of positioning unless you have a proper reason why. One example is if the enemy is about to nano blade in the next fight. Playing that far back will either force them to use everything to get to you and then be unable to get anybody else for the rest of the ultimate, or they'll have to give up on you and focus on your other teammates. Then after the ultimate or after it's safe, you can get back in range and be ready to use your kit to the proper extent. You don't really ever want to maintain that kind of positioning permanently, at least as far back from your team as this Kiriko was doing lol. They might not be able to get to you, but you aren't getting as much value as you really could be and the enemy can just focus on your teammates almost 5v4 since you are just so far out of the fight.

[@TgPepper]

If you’re not playing dive tank is hard right now but at low ranks if you’re playing dive you’re “throwing.” But Ball and Doom the two most most rage inducing tanks, are performing the best

[@reubensmy4493]

Loved this on live stream. Your tablet game was second to none!

[@jackief03]

I was told I play passively but I really don’t feel like being aggressive and getting rolled and then we end up losing the point idk how I should play sometimes

[@Tr3Swift]

Not too close. Not too far. Don’t go chasing waterfalls

[@thatr0ryt133]

Emongg talking about the support being too deep and then releasing the other support was at least 50m behind at all times.

[@SenpaiPR313]

Guys I think emongg said greedy cause the guys name is greed if u didn't catch that 🤣🤣

[@Jordan-dg8tp]

Around the 6:30 mark, tthe amount of nearly Wisconsin/NE accent I heard was almost too high

[@iamcool544]

I went Lucio Zen a few days ago and my DPS immediately said we had to swap cause there wasnt enough heals

[@kommandantkillcode]

If they weren't dive dps, then there probably wasn't enough heals.

[@iamcool544]

@@kommandantkillcode genji and I forget who the other was

[@kommandantkillcode]

@@iamcool544Well, the Genji shouldn't have been complaining lol

[@sethescope]

it....... really depends. this is going to be a long comment with nuanced thoughts, so prepare yourself lol even though Lucio Zen is meta in GM, top 500, and in tournaments, that doesn't mean it's going to work in your ranked matches. Lucio Zen requires everyone to play differently than they would if they had at least one support who could provide a lot of healing (Bap, Ana, Moira, those kinds of supports). you have to position differently with a low healing support comp. you have to go for health packs and really pay attention to your own HP instead of just assuming your support teammates will take care of it for you. it requires people to play more optimally than most people do in most ranks. in overwatch, a higher amount of healing means people can make more mistakes, basically, and that's much more necessary in lower ranks. I say this as someone climbing through plat rn playing a lot of Moira because most teams will just fall over without a support like Moira rn so, on one hand, your dps have a point. Lucio Zen isn't going to be enough healing in the overwhelming majority of games in the overwhelming majority of ranks. even before season 9, Mercy Zen often wasn't enough healing when I was in gold and plat, although it could still work when the rest of the team understood how to adjust their play style and be a bit more patient. as a Mercy player, I was always so grateful when dps would go soldier or mei and when a tank was able to go JQ or Hog, it really helped me out granted, I think the dps passive will help teams become more self sufficient and less dependent/reliant on healing from their supports. I mean, this was a silver game in season 9 and Zen Lucio worked pretty well, I was genuinely shocked by that. but still, in the overwhelming majority of games for the overwhelming majority of players, a higher amount of healing than Zen Lucio is almost required because most people need to be bailed out by high amounts of healing. btw, I don't say any of this with any judgment for anyone based on their rank or whatever. the highest rank I've ever hit was diamond 3 last season, im currently plat 4, I'm not that good. all of this is just based on my experience of what my teams need from me as a support main. I play support because I want to be what my team needs (not necessarily what they might want, which is especially true right now because not every team is thrilled to have a Moira, regardless of my play style LOL). if my team needs healing, I'm fine with my main contribution being healing and contributing damage/utility during downtime. this is just my experience as a support main who has played in gold 2 all the way up to diamond 3. most of the time, teams just need more healing to make up for the mistakes that are made as you're learning the game.

[@sethescope]

@@kommandantkillcode maybe they shouldn't but you KNOW many Genjis will 😂 Genji needing healing is a meme for a reason, although I have the highest respect for the Genjis who come back for healing or wait behind cover or go for health packs, we stan

[@vanishhero964]

The way I’ve found success playing kiriko is by shooting three kunai then doing a full volley of heals. That’s usually enough to maintain high damage and healing

[@BridgetBoyle]

I don’t think Emonng’s favorite condiment is ketchup. I think he used to be a ketchup kid, but now that he’s grown up, it’s too sweet for him. I bet he likes ranch the most.

[@BridgetBoyle]

Confirmed on stream, I’m right.

[@xr0ninx569]

As tracer, I love goin for zen wth pulse bomb since even if I miss, I find zen almost always pops ult once he hears the pulse bomb.

[@culein]

Green screen bit is amazing!

[@Sister-Of-Battle]

looks like a swarm of locusts

[@ralphforbes5807]

Lol it's uh...its rough when it's a zen Lucio comp in low rank cause uh...alot of people in low ranks do not like to take cover 😅 but it's funny cause you'll see it sometimes an they won't really do anything either lol had one match where neither healed at all, like neither broke 2k in a 20 minute match, our poor tank...man's had double the healing on hog who he swapped too half way through

[@itsmandu]

I think emongg likes food and is considered a foodie.

[@Kiyoko4173]

Lollll I love when people overexplain a joke after every single person gets it. One of my fave forms of humour

[@bobbybeaudoin]

Emongg:"break the rein shield with lucio/zen comp and rein will have no fun" Then it gave me an idea. Since Sym regen from enemy shields, imagine if she could regen shields with her pistol...rein/sym comps would be fun to see. A personal version of her old concept of shield gen but for shields, not "life shields"

[@Rud1895]

Mustard is clearly the most superior condiment

[@mattbutler4539]

Based

[@amandopurperhart1351]

He plays kiriko like he is playing ana, but to get more value as kiriko you need to play more aggressive angles and be more proactive in fights.

[@floflofloflo8608]

Emongg unironically likes food. Make of that what you will

[@Alphafan30]

Emongg strikes me as a ketchup guy

[@jdk00]

rumor has it, he hates ketchup now

[@jamieduckhouse1675]

Testing, testing... algorithm?

[@eli8379]

I sure love condiments. I wonder what's Emongg's favorite condiment?

[@Sacrifice117]

i feel like it's a rite of passage as a tank player to cancel your ram ult at least once in your career.

[@KubiParfait]

Wow, look at that greenscreen! That's certainly a greenscreen if I've ever seen one. You think Emongg likes food?

[@beaten_tech]

From the title i though they were gonna be flanking flat out.

[@darrellwade9711]

69 packets of ketchup is the best way.

[@marcele.batista]

The green screen 😂

[@strawberiibunii]

Oh, i forgot to say is your favorite condiment Worcestershire sauce?

[@Xratos1991]

This was a treat

[@SuperAmericanism]

I feel like i was watching myself

[@Transgenic86]

Can a fellow human compatriot spare extra food units? My catalytic endomatrix is in need of sustenance. 🤖

[@sethescope]

catalytic endomatrix is my favorite indie band

[@titusmanlius3933]

Seems like this game is a 4vs5 game : when your tank only play a very agressive doomfist and he is facing bastion zen mauga... all we can expect is the game to end fast ; in my opinion, there was no way the kiriko player team would be able to get out the attack spawn with their comp. I do know that people gonna tell me, "you can play what ever you want, composition is not the most important thing in silver"... I still thinks that any other tank would have been better then doomfist in this game.

[@theswayzee8179]

Does emongg like Dunkies by any chance? I wonder what his favorite donut is.

[@neondead2.0.15]

This why as a supp you going in, no matter if you live or die.

[@skinney5537]

Why did he do that with the taco?

[@beta5924]

Gosh yt chat do I love food

[@rickkau7826]

Zen / Lucio comp in silver is most likely an accident, not intentional

[@SadTropix]

What's everyone's favorite team comp? I play a lot of Tracer so I like dive personally.

[@aimlesswitch]

I hate kirikos who play like this. They need to realize that their healing has travel time, so they need to play a bit closer to the team

[@TraumaQueen65]

Supports need to stop trying to kill the tank and start actually killing the squishies

[@Geddn]

Instead of buffing Rein or any tanks we just need to remove discord orb change my mind.

[@skinney5537]

Mayo is his favourite food

[@johnblessing9988]

been watching for awhile and love the content! is it discord that you get these replays from and/or where could i submit and replays for the chance to be in a video?

[@theprometheu5]

Why would that be so bad that players get the tank they wanted to play with? What if Rein rolls bronze even more for a month? Why can’t we have a Rein meta and ignore bronze players for a month? Ana was broken for the first 8 seasons and the balance team barely touched her…

[@nostalgjc1]

haven’t finished the video but their zen is pretty good

[@notfound9491]

ketchup is pretty cool

[@SchlecKk]

Let's test this theory then!

[@SethDeMoss]

Mustard is terrible emongg, I can't believe you would recommend that

[@darkflash6152]

5:04 And this why your silver. To be fair i would have done the same thing but i would not use tp. I would have pocket the doom from safe spot. feel the situation out like is he going to die can I keep him up . In that situation you could easily keep him up. Your playing most op hero in the game if your good at timing. Also heal dps .

[@alyssawhyy3630]

really great vid

[@blind593]

Testing a Theory

[@JackManSparrow23]

I am a bot too. I like ketchup.

[@strawberiibunii]

Hello bot ketchup is nice

[@YuJYIA]

What's y'all's favorite condiment

[@Hiebs]

Mr Emongg, can I interest you in some tasty food?

[@icto8624]

KETCHUP GANG RISE UP

[@Tear27VT]

Fantastic Video, great green screen

[@pettersoncorreiamedeiros5761]

Whoa that green skin

[@hellohi2413]

i do infact like food, ik it's quite an unpopular opinion tho

[@georgyivanov2682]

just a comment for the algorithms, good luck on faceit

[@datoneguy9104]

Naw I feel like emong is a mayo type of guy

[@strawberiibunii]

Hey Mr emongg. I just wanted to let you know that I like food. Oh, and also this video 😊

[@blakefisher6706]

pray the algorithm

[@Kuweiyo]

They keep healing the walls

[@sethescope]

the walls go through a lot. at least somebody is caring about them.

[@jacobgale4792]

Comments for the comment gods?

[@Oatmilk780]

I love mayonaise

[@aru120]

ummm...so this guy tried to heal Cass 2 times...behind a wall.....not a good start

[@marciatb]

More green screen pls love it hahaaha

[@seanlamontagne4751]

Ily dad!

[@Hiebs]

What a swell video!

[@duckthetruck13]

Ketchup should always win

[@totakkeagiraffe]

too passive. as a support player you have to realize at some point that if you never take risks with your team you will basically never accomplish anything or grow as a support. you have to go with them and commit to certain plays/try your damndest to support them even under pressure. so many times i would have tped in with doom because i myself main kiriko!! kiri doom is a great combo, dive together, help him!! of course only at certain points, not every time.

[@totakkeagiraffe]

also theyre trying to heal through walls so much idk if they actually think that they can, but, if you didn't know already- you can't 😭

[@sethescope]

@@totakkeagiraffe to be fair, I think a lot of us do stuff because of wishful thinking 😅 holding down my buttons really hard isn't going to make the abilities heal more but it FEELS like it will, so I still do it, despite the fact it's not good for the ol hands lol

[@TheBananabandit_ttv]

Tbh decently good aim for a silver but positioning is awful and for sure over healing too much

[@TrollGuyy]

I love food thanks for asking! (Algorithm)

[@duckthetruck13]

Tiny emongg

[@4131MavsFan]

anyone here like food?

[@strawberiibunii]

Food is so nice. I like food

[@Shon3GEES]

Good vid