How Fast Does The Kia EV9 Charge?

[@adamchalom3872]

New and improved charts for Tom to emphasize the point “unplug at 80%!”

[@36cores]

This charging data should be mandatory with every new EV, excellent stuff here. This is your best content, cheers.

[@lawrenceasero2207]

This doesn't relate to this video but I just received this notification on my Enel X app. "After careful consideration, Enel X Way North America has decided to close its electric mobility business in the US and Canada, operated by the local subsidiary of Enel X Way USA, effective October 11, 2024." So now I have a dumb charger and lose my off-peak credit? Tom this warrants a video as you have reviewed the Juicebox charger and you are the man to find out what's going on.

[@wingsounds13]

Personally, I find it important to select a charger that does not "phone home" to provide any of its features. In addition to the possibility of losing your smart features like this, who knows what personal data the manufacturer is skimming from this connection. Give me a good charger that stands on its own and does not share or sell my data. (Grizzl-E is my current top choice).

[@andrewt9204]

@@wingsounds13 The grizzl-e is a good choice, it's what I had for a while but wanted the wall connector for the tesla connector and lighter cable. And I was kinda tired of using the adapter. I sold the grizzl-e to my relatives and they are using it with good results. However, I didn't even think about just replacing the J1772 cable with a tesla one. You can get quality ones from ChargePoint or openEVSE. Looking back I probably would've done that instead. Not that phoning home matters too much to me, the car already does that.

[@regandamien]

The master chart is awesome! Best I've seen anywhere. Good Job Tom! Kia should put it in their brochure!

[@e-care-books9867]

A very useful video period. Thank you, Tom

[@BryceLovesTech]

I drove the EV9 and loved it

[@johnlabernik4599]

That range replenishing chart is gold

[@krkope8277]

Tommy Mo, Mr State of Charge is the Mr Practical Advice of the EV community. Much appreciated.

[@nicholaskolnik6458]

The charging curve of this car is the main reason I got my EV9 Land over the Rivian R1S.

[@Visualhead_Spacer]

most people pointed out, EV9 is roomier than Rivian

[@raemill4089]

We have both the Taycan (2020 4S) and the EV9(2024 GT Line) and now we've got a few road trips on the EV9 under our belts, I find that the EV9 in real world cases tends to charge just as fast to 80%, if not faster, than the Taycan does. Often bc the Taycan can't often get the 270 kw speeds from EA or what ever other fast charger I use that is capable of it. It typically tops out in the upper 100s to low 200s when charging well. The EV9 has almost always hit that 220kw and holds it so deep in the curve to about 70% and stays strong to 80%. The Taycan tends to drop a little before the EV9 does and the EV9 will then typically beat the time to charge to 80% on the Taycan. However, when they Taycan does hit those magic number of 250kw-270kw, then it certainly does beat our EV9 to 80%. Also, the EV9 is awesome beyond 80% going up to about 90% holding some pretty good numbers and when we road trip, if no one is waiting for the charger, we will let it continue to 85% - 90% when it starts to really throttle off. Ours typically held at 100kw past 80% and would drop under that at about 85% or so. It is a real fast charging champ! So happy with both of these vehicles!

[@andrepregent6930]

I'm not surprised by the fast charging above 80% of your EV9, my EV6 kept pulling ~120kW until 89% soc on an EVolve NY charger last month, kind of mind-boggling really 😮

[@MarkAstamnn]

Love the new web site and absolutely looking forward to the new charts coming to it.

[@godofdun]

Holy cow at that last chart! Me likey!

[@porkymouth]

Tom, great chart at the end. I'll look forward to it in all of your future charging videos.

[@evkx]

Excellent analysis-really appreciate the geeky deep dive! I did notice that our range/mi graphs for the EPA combined are a bit different. I suspect it’s because I factor in the calculated EPA consumption based on EPA range and net capacity, along with an estimated 7% charging loss. Of course, that’s just an approximation since getting the exact numbers is nearly impossible. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: your ability to present this highly technical content in a way that’s engaging for the everyday EV owner is nothing short of brilliant!

[@peterwright837]

Very cool final graph! Love to get the same graph for my EV6 GT-line AWD.

[@wtnman4783]

Also should try this on a Telsa charger with it's low voltage. As it will show why KIA adopting the NACS connector is worthless due to the limited charging you can get off of them. Wish the adoption was the other way around as in Europe.

[@Lor-dn1vz]

Eventually the superchargers will deliver up to 1000V but yeah we're probably a few years away. You cant get faster charging with sufficiently long cables at such "low" voltage. Fairly certain we'll see some cars get to 500kW relatively flat charging curves within the next 5=6 years.

[@andrewt9204]

Charging has nothing to do with the connector really. It's the charging cabinets/modules. Hopefully true Tesla V4's will be out by the main roads in the next couple years. I'm sure it will be 5+ years before a good chunk are V4 though. Should be a push to replace V2's with V4's ASAP if Tesla was smart, not that hardly anyone is there anymore. 350kW non-telsa charge operators can just replace the CCS cable if more automakers start adopting NACS. Not a big deal. Small price to pay for a much more user friendly connector.

[@AffableAlpaca]

Love the new heat map style view!

[@larry6736]

First, thank you for your detailed coverage for EVs and charging. I have only owned EVs since 2017 and now own 2023 electrified Genesis G80 and 2024 Kia EV9 GT AWD. I have never DC fast charged before since so many of our public DC chargers here in SoCal do not work but recently I had a SoCal road trip playing tour guide for visiting family. I took the EV9 for comfort and luggage space and boy was I impressed. Had six DC charging sessions during the trip with temps between 75F and 115F. Had typical EA out of service and wait times but I was amazed at the speed the EV9 charged. Six sessions, SOC between 5% - 8%, charging to 80% only. Charging time ranged from 18.4min - 21.4min with max charging speed of 213kW. Cars charging before I arrived were still charging when I left. I was very proud when other users came over to talk to me when they noticed how fast my EV9 was charging.

[@jeffreyelledge9303]

Thanks for this video Tom. It really shows that for road trips charging to 75 to 80% is the most efficient, unless you have time to burn. This is great information that would be good to see for all new EVs.

[@aviflax]

Super impressive charts!

[@JesseCarpenter1979]

The chart is a great way to visualize the charging characteristic. Great job.

[@AffableAlpaca]

The "Average Range Replenishing Rate" grouped into different minute ranges is a great view that illustrates why top charging is not worth it! Great job in this breakdown Tom!

[@keithmcdonnell4485]

I absolutely love the new chart! That is the kind of thing I do for my own cars after I purchase them, it will be nice to already have the data next time I purchase an EV.

[@DS-mz7dy]

I like that chart!

[@mrdsn189]

Thank you, Tom! I love the new chart! I want one of these Kias!

[@gregpochet4812]

Love that color graph at the end!! Did you do that for all of the cars you have tested? I would do it and sell posters/signs for each car. I would buy it.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

No, this is the first time

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Thanks Tom, yes I love the EV9 just awesome car with it's charging on 350KW chargers, not so well with Tesla Magic docks, hoping to see Chevy Silverado RST EV in standard 350KW chargers but also on the Tesla Supercharger version 3 as that is where we need it in Canada with our shortage of reliable 350KW chargers!

[@jasanmiguel]

Tom, please!! Run the same test in the Toyota bz4x! Please!!

[@simplygregsterev]

Basically road trip this thing down to 2-3% SoC and hold to 60%-65%. Always great to go in depth like this

[@JustinTimeCuber]

seems kinda weird to me that they gave the EV9 battery a nominal voltage 150V lower than most other EGMP cars, it's clearly current limited at 350A so I imagine they could have shaved a few minutes off the charge time with a 700V nominal pack

[@dpsingh6421]

Wow, I really like that new chart you introduced. It would be really beneficial to have it for my EV. Do you take requests? 😆

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I'll be doing them in all of my new charging videos

[@rockerdan]

Been following and loving the Hyundai/Kia charging architecture for a few years now. Tom points out this wonderfully here and the new chart is incredible for roadtrip nerds. The issue i have still comes down to the CCS stations and all their issues when road tripping. While the manufacturers charging capability is incredibly good, the end result on many roadtrips may be horrible, when compared to the supercharger network. Even though the NACS port will become native shortly(2025 models) on these as Tom mentioned briefly toward the end of video, It may take many years for Tesla to implement their full V4 Superchargers that will play well with 800v architecture vehicles. So in reality roadtripping a Hyundai/Kia will not be much better then it is today, unless CCS CPOs start to maintain, expand and swap over to J3400 connectors, until then i still feel the best roadtrippers will remain TESLA vehicles. That is unfortunate because there are many of us who would LOVE to not support a company due to the actions/statements of its CEO. I guess we can hold out hope we will see more charge stations pop up from others quickly. Great work Tom as always. Cheers!

[@ianrob4760]

great job as always anbd this is what all modern EV's should be like, if only on 400v architecture the charging curve should be this

[@junehanzawa5165]

400v EV's cannot maintain this rate because they use higher amps to reach these speeds. Amps cause high resistance, and therefore, high heat. It's why high voltage cables are used to transmit electricity long distances. All EV's will eventually be 800v or higher. For the times being, outside of large battery packs such as in pickups, 400v is just fine as Tesla has proven. The GM and Japanese manucturers slow 400v charging is completely on them. There's absolutely no reason to engineer such slow charging vehicles other than to try to delay the transition by turning people of EV's and clogging up sites. But with Tesla opening up their massive network, those plans have been ruined.

[@ianrob4760]

@@junehanzawa5165 no sorry, to be clear I mean this kind of curve charging at say 130W rather than what Tom showed with the Equinox

[@junehanzawa5165]

@@ianrob4760 And what I tred to tell you, is that the high heat of the amps prevent those super high sutained rates. If you're talking about lower charging speeds, the 400v Audi E-Tron has such as curve. I believe it stays between 150kW and 170kW almost all the way to 80%.

[@junehanzawa5165]

Great video and graph Tom. I'll definitely download it or look it up if you have it up on a website.

[@GregMcNamer]

Interesting final table. Probably useful for road trip lookup and demonstrating a good curve. Suggestion/request: Key the colors based on avg kW with ~20 being red and ~300 being green. Then you could get an objective visual comparison between cars with lower flat curves and cars with peaky curves.

[@FredSEd-x9d]

As someone who is red green colorblind I don't like that idea

[@GregMcNamer]

@@FredSEd-x9d haha, fair. Then light to dark or something. What's the best color-blind color scale?

[@MichaelW-kx3wz]

Hey Tom, love the final chart, super insightful and well put together. Thanks for all you do.

[@ruslanboyko1225]

Tom, Thanks for that new State of charge graph. Way to give EV customers more data to understand how the cars work. However, I think that that chart is only based on a single charge curve… I believe the Kia charge curve is based on 70% added the fastest. So if you were to redo your charge curve from 10-80% on that or any Kia product, I have a strong suspicion that the charge curve will shift over to the right and that near 80% (read 70-80%) you will able to see that the charge curve/rate continue to be around 210kw right up to 80% and then it may drop off. For the Kias, charging from BELOW 10% up to 80% is not the most optimal curve. Thanks for the content.

[@HoundStuff]

btw, great video and great new charts!

[@ericroe]

I'd love to see the last chart for the Ford F150 Lightning with that strange charging curve.

[@joseventura2522]

I road trip every weekend on my EV9 Land , is a machine...best car ever, I'm in PA line on 78 close to you if you want to use it

[@monroe177]

Tom, you probably won't be as impressed with the EV3 since it's only 400V.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

The EV3 doesn't really have to charge as well, IMO. That type of vehicle is less likely to be used for ling family road trips.

[@photogravity]

While true, my guess is that the EV3 will still perform better than the Chevy Equine-Ox when it comes to DC Fast Charging.

[@monroe177]

@@photogravity That's a pretty low bar.

[@junehanzawa5165]

​@@monroe177 At least he didn't compare it to the Bolt.😂

[@photogravity]

@@monroe177 Indeed, a low bar. I hope it performs well when they arrive in North America.

[@BIMRFRK]

Excellent graphs! Can I get this for 2023 Bolt? A side by side comparison would be comical :)

[@Snerdles]

He would, but the charge takes so long the refresh bolt would probably be released before the graphs could get made!

[@tazeat]

Nice linear bottom half of the pack. Allows for a little longer charges, our YLR really rewards short charge hops, the curve is all at the bottom.

[@jesseslong6800]

The big question is how fast will it charge if there is not350KW charger to charge on. I ask this question as per my Ford phone app. It only show 4 350KW chargers within 60 miles of my home. With Shell only have 180KW and other around the same.

[@4rwayner7]

With the larger battery stopping at 60% would give pretty good range.

[@SkaBob]

I would have though it would charge a little faster, maybe being closer to a 400V system slows it down. We have the Ioniq 5 and it can charge a little faster than this it will peak around 240kw and can hold 100kw past 80% and still be around 50kw at 90%. We have done 4% to 82% in 21 minutes and just a few days ago 14% to 92% in 28 minutes. Sometime we only need 6 or 8 minutes to pickup 30-40% and then make it to our destination. I think with a 100% charge it shows like 804V so it is actually an 800V system.

[@aex90832]

I'm loving the new master chart. Will this be done retroactively for other cars? The Rivian and Lucid are of great interest.

[@nyashachambati37]

These are awesome details. Can you make a comparative curve for it on a Tesla Supercharger, I know it will be long but it would be informative.

[@kevinmreams]

Our Kia Niro EV has unfortunately slow DC Fast charging, but that's also one of the least important features for us. We can still get a full charge on a fast charger in about an hour.

[@alexwelch1520]

Will be nice when able to charge at Tesla Supercharger mid January, but only will be good once get more V4 supercharger stations to handle it.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

There are NO true V4 Superchargers in the US yet. The ones you see are just V4 chargers using V3 cabinets. No 1000v yet

[@ronald4life1]

Some EA Stations are limiting the charge limit to 85%... We really need that to just be the status quo on 99% of EA Stations other than the ones in very remote locations.

[@sirenbrian]

Question for you: EV chargers that have a printed charging speed on the cabinet, does that always refer to 800V cars like the EV9/Ioniq 5? Will 400V cars expect to get half the printed charge rate? If so, should manufacturers stop having that printed speed on the front, since it makes 400V car owners think something is broken or damaged?

[@Snerdles]

The charge rate of the vehicle is far more complex so it's not a hard and fast rule. It much more comes down to the amp rating of the charger/cable and the voltage of the specific pack. If the charger can do 200A then at 400V it supplies 80kW, at 800V it would do 160kW. Usually the charger is rated at 350kw but that's at the maximum output voltage which is generally 1000V, which means it can do 350A. So if your battery was like the equinox mentioned in the video and charges from about 280V up to 350V then the power supplies could max be 98kW up to 122.5kW. But then the vehicle can throttle based on heat of cells, the charger can throttle based on cable heat... There is a ton going in to a charging session when dealing with these high power requirements.

[@xjdisuehd]

The only cars to charge better for longer are GM's 24 module Ultium packs, and they're monstrous compared to egmp platform battery packs.

[@gelu88]

Tom why do you use epa combined instead of epa highway? Isn't epa highway a bit more reprentative of reality?

[@HoundStuff]

How does this vehicle charge on a charger that doesn't utilize the higher voltages? I thought I recalled that it uses a DC-DC converter that has a much lower power rating. Is that correct? So, unless that changes for the next models with a NACS port, won't charging on a Tesla station still be slow until Tesla supports full v4 chargers up to 1000V? If Kia doesn't split the pack like GM or the upcoming Audi PPE platform that seems like a problem. Thoughts? Am I missing something?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I'll have information on how they are working around that problem soon.

[@HoundStuff]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Very cool, thanks!

[@ManPhoto50]

Will the new Kia’s with the NACS port charge at Tesla 150KW version #2 chargers?

[@barryw9473]

Tom, would love to see this for BMW i4 eDrive40.

[@garyclark6747]

Hands-down, I would take the KIA EV over the GM. Not bad charging by my little cousin. ~IONIQ 5 AWD👍🏼 22:07

[@Bzzap83]

EV9 was last in the OOS 3row suv races, must be less efficient driving since it clearly charges faster.

[@gregpalmer9949]

It is more efficient than the Rivian. The driving team for the EV9 made a lot of errors since neither of them was familiar with the EV9

[@l10industries]

​@@gregpalmer9949Hyundai's navigation sure didn't help them with the second race either...

[@gregpalmer9949]

@@l10industries I think what Hyundai did giving drivers a way to manually start preconditioning makes up for a lot of other faults

[@e-redj]

Hope you have some kind of script to create that last graph. It is a lot of information you're putting there, and by hand it would take me hours to complete. 🧑‍💻😅

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

It's done by hand

[@bobbyr8071]

How often are the 350 chargers available and how many times they are working at that speed?? I’ll take my reliable Tesla 250 charging. Thank u

[@axion8788]

Great stuff. Has anyone else noticed that Electriy America (free for now with my Ioniq 5) drops the charging power to 4 kW for 3 minutes at 80% SOC? After those 3 minutes it will go back up to 75 to 100 kW. My presumption is that they are trying to 'scare off' the customer so a new customer can pay them more 'dollars per minute'. Maybe this is only for the free plan. Feedback appreciated.

[@laloajuria4678]

its the car.

[@nicholaskolnik6458]

The battery packs do a little balancing and check at 80% before adding more energy to the pack. It does it on a L2/L1 charger also.

[@axion8788]

@@nicholaskolnik6458 Incorrect. Since I have solar on my roof I can track energy consumption in 15 minute intervals. The 40 amp home charging DOES NOT slow down at 80%.

[@junehanzawa5165]

​​@@axion8788 That's because you're charging on slow speeds at home. The slow down is indeed their attempt to balance the pack after charging so quickly. However, others have proven those ramp downs so low are not needed to balance them. Their are better methods, which Kia/Hyundai will go with on their Gen 2 EV's, which is what they've done with the EV9.

[@axion8788]

@@junehanzawa5165 I was replying to the reply making the statement that " It does it on a L2/L1 charger also." Still, I'm waiting for someone who has an Ioniq 5 with FREE Electriy America charging to confirm or contradict my experience.

[@aaronhendrickson]

At 80% state of charge. Go mind yourself a level 2 charger to charge more. I think some DC fast chargers are adding a couple level 2 chargers near them. If you drop to 69 kw of charging speed, time to get off the charger.

[@Snerdles]

Why slow yourself to less than 10kw when you could get 60 and want to get home?

[@laloajuria4678]

like, i get it, but that new chart is bad. its just too much.

[@B_r_u_c_e]

But it's still a Kia.

[@jasswear8911]

All this is irrelevant to me . People are overthinking the importance of fast charging speeds. I drive a EV and never have the need to use public charging. I mean Who’s driving 300 miles a day?

[@MrAgility888]

Right now, dc fast charging is most important for road trips. In the future, people in cities and apartment complexes will probably use it more.

[@Bzzap83]

Road trips are much better with better charging. People should use L2 charging for normal use

[@Snerdles]

I do about 800km (~500 miles) in a day quite regularly without access to charging at my destination. That's round trip so it's like a 4 hour drive, do some stuff and a 4 hour drive home. I drive a PHEV that can get over 800km (it's rated for 1000, but over 900 is actually real world achievable) in a single tank of gas so if I fill up and charge a day ahead I don't even have to stop other than for snacks or a washroom break. Having to charge twice for over 30 minutes each way would make this 12 hour day 13 or 14 hours, depending on how fast the charge session goes, which would make it incredibly dreadful.

[@l10industries]

​@@SnerdlesI've been doing some long road trips with my Ioniq 6 and I don't tend to need any longer than pee and snack time to charge. It doesn't seem to take an appreciable amount longer if any to drive the same trip as it would with my Miata. STL-OBX and back.

[@Snerdles]

@@l10industries man, how long are your streams... I plug in my PHEV while I stop and it's always between 6 and 9 minutes before I unplug and that's because the charger is across the parking lot. An Ioniq 6 can only do 10-80 in 18 minutes in very special circumstances so you lose 30% of your range on every leg of your trip after the first meaning that fabled 435km range instantly drops to about 300km. And that's only if you have 350kw chargers perfectly located along your route. In my case my usual stop has 1 50kw charger and 1 level 2 6.6kw. So , not only would it take over an hour to charge, that's only if no one else is on the charger.