How fast is a $5000 64-core CPU?! Threadripper 7980X and 7970X Review & Benchmarks

[@tacticooldennis]

I always loved the Threadripper concept of selling a server chip to a power hungry power user.

[@chiefjudge8456]

Threadrippers are not "server" chips, which isn't a real concept to begin with. They clock high like Ryzen and are designed for overclocking. By your logic you could also say regular Ryzen is an even more cut down server chip.

[@tacticooldennis]

@@chiefjudge8456 Threadrippers have more in common with Epyc server chips. Sure anything could be branded as anything. a Raspberry Pi could be a server too, But the core architecture is closer to a server chip than a standard CPU.

[@gab882]

I always loved Intel selling non-server chips and still satiating power hungry power users /s (they run more power than these Threadrippers too)

[@lucasrem]

tacticooldennis I stopped making Xeon builds for gamers, X99 on ASUS Deluxe was that last. 5 Ghz on all multi cores is just too HOT. 14900k is the same but better optimized only, only less Xeon cores, more Ghz ! Same design works better on 14700k, 2x 16 XMP fast profile, less cores ! Tik Tok got them this far now. Why you need more PCIe lanes ? only one NVMe is faster, one GPU ! less is better !

[@Anankin12]

​@@lucasremfor gamers only, it doesn't make sense. I could use it if I was rich tho. Having studied physics and currently studying data science, the memory, threads and gpu requirements are insane for the actual not dumbed down stuff. If I had 10k-20k to use, I would benefit from the extra memory, memory channels, cores and pcie lanes for a higher number of GPUs. But that's in dreamland lol, still someone is living in my dreamland so it makes sense for this product to exist.

[@TrueThanny]

06:10 This is wrong, which you can see in your own screenshots. The HEDT parts have 48 PCIe 5.0 lanes, but 88 lanes total. That's an additional 40 PCIe 4.0 lanes. That's plenty of I/O, and the only real use case for PCIe 5.0 anyway is with SSD's.

[@shammyh]

Yesssssss... So many reviewers got this wrong. There are no consumer or prosumer pcie gen5 devices worth buying anyway. And ~88 lanes of gen4 is a tremendous amount of connectivity. ~160 GiB/s of IO bandwidth.

[@poeticsilence047]

The one thing that I will always love about HEDT builds will be the symmetry of the memory. It gets my tech briefs covered in juices.

[@Dark.Syndicate]

ew

[@poeticsilence047]

@Dark.Syndicate Yeah. That's how I felt afterwards. Lol

[@SLSAMG]

This is the way.

[@lucasrem]

Need HBM memory solutions for AMD boards ? better pooling is needed, but you need cheap DDR or be apple here !

[@prodeous]

@6:20 it shows there are 88 PCIe lanes and only 48 are PCIE 5.0. so that is purely if you need pcie 5.0 lanes. the additioan 4.0 would give you a tad more connecitons.

[@Gamecapturevideo]

3970x user reporting in: love this CPU after two years of use for work and play. It really is overkill, though, and I think the sensible option at the time would have been a 16-core CPU. I had the money to spend so I went for it, and I think the biggest reason at the end of the day was the extra PCIe lanes for more storage, which will keep me satisfied for years to come. I don't see myself needing to upgrade to this gen but it still looks like a great product!

[@chiefjudge8456]

A 3970X is a prehistoric dinosaur compared to anything in the new Threadripper 7000 lineup.

[@MGmirkin]

Throw on BOINC, hook into PrimeGrid, chew through computing. :) Am tossing my new 7950X at it... ^_^ So far, so good.

[@arlolambdin8710]

I've been on my Threadripper 2950x for a while now. I didn't make the jump to the 3000 series (and I am glad of that, for obvious reasons), but upgrading to the consumer lines would remove a lot of PCIe lanes that I use. I have 6 m.2 drives (2 on MB, 4 on a PCIe x16 slot), graphics card, and a couple x4 cards, so I need all the PCIe lanes I can get. I'll probably be looking at the 7960x for my upgrade, but really hope they get some more MB's, as I've not seen any that seem like what I want.

[@lucasrem]

arlolambdin8710 You need so many I/O, gamers only need one fast PCIx 5 drive now, one GPU, less is better. consumers buy DELL, getting intel only. Build your own PC, do that on AMD, why not ? I love the 14700k, less is better, gerring more frames only. Keeping the old Xeon for all the drives and server tasks.

[@arlolambdin8710]

@lucasrem this is a work machine more than a gaming PC...let's just say you don't know my use case

[@dirkcornelis5708]

​@@arlolambdin8710same here, not gaming but astronomy related things. but owning both a 2950 and a 3970, the latter one is really my preferred workhorse.

[@JD-ef1jb]

My X58 is still going strong. Its currently my media pc. Its really hard to let go of. From there I went to X99. And now my main pc is a Threadripper 2920x. So yeah i'm a HEDT addict.

[@samiraperi467]

My main PC has a 5900X, which isn't an HEDT chip, but... Most of my previous system is now my server, X99 with a low-power 12 core Xeon.

[@SonOfGodzilla75]

My Commodore 64 is still going strong. It's currently my workstation pc.

[@Pasi123]

I just recently moved to X299 on my main PC after using X58 for 10 years. I do also have a X79/C602 system as a secondary PC. Old main: Asus P6X58D-E, X5670 6c/12t @ 4.4GHz, 24GB DDR3, GTX 760 (previously a GTX 1080 but I stole it for my new X299) Secondary PC: ThinkStation S30, E5-2690 8c/16t, 64GB DDR3, GTX 960 New main: Asus TUF X299 Mark 1, i9-10900X 10c/20t, 64GB DDR4, GTX 1080

[@thegeneral123]

Still running HEDT here, 5820K overclocked and undervolted at 4.2ghz. Looking for an upgrade soon.

[@garretthaney9134]

I rocked my i7-920 system for 10+ years. Although by the end of its life it had an i7-965EE from Ebay and 24 gb of RAM (6! X 4GB). If the system hadn't started frying power supplies it might still be in service....

[@Pasi123]

I got my first X58 system with an i7-920 in 2013 and 10 years later I was still on X58. Though I recently moved to X299. Asus P6X58D-E, X5670 6c/12t @ 4.4GHz, 24GB DDR3, GTX 1080 Strix. I could have used it as my main for few more years but more and more games and software requires AVX and AVX2 instruction sets

[@lucasrem]

garretthaney9134 2014, yeah, i do remember, still have them here, the DDR 3 years ! 920, all my Quad Core systems run better than these old i7 systems, low power i7 CPU's, VS the hungry 775 old socket PRO models on > 120 Watt ! DDR 3 systems, all you need to do is replace the CPU for the most advanced you can find for it, GTX 1080 in it, good for 1080p Fortnite !

[@Hypercheeker]

I was rocking my i7-4770k system for over 9 years then i finally switched to the ryzen 7 7700x

[@ashupashu5559]

My friends dad had an i7 860 system from Gateway years ago, kept it well after it became obsolete. Pretty sure they got rid of it now if it isn't just lying around somewhere. None of my personal systems that I built had intel. Rn I have a 3900x had it since July 2020.

[@Tech-Tempest]

As someone who does traditional Vray rendering for Arch Viz, Photoshop and Video editing ,I am very interested in getting a Threadripper so thanks for testing those. I can see that it would toast my current 5950x. The only thing holding me back is that I also like to game on the same PC I work on. The 1% lows with a 4090 does not seem like a smooth experience. Appreciate the great review!

[@kevinerbs2778]

only in this review so far.

[@Jtretta]

The funny thing is that compared to Apple's high end options even the 7980x has good price to performance. A system with that, a 4090 and a tb of ram would cost about the same as an m2/m3 ultra mac maxed out.

[@lucasrem]

Jtretta, apple, big WOW ! Studio on 2 Tb is enough, able to simulate all games on ARM. Not fast enough for shooters, but able to run all on ARM ! You never need HOT GPU PC's for games ! If only all studios develop for apple ! LINUX open apple ? develop titles for UNIX, who is ?

[@RunForPeace-hk1cu]

And you still don’t have 145gb of VRAM 😂😂😂 And sips power Probably living in your moms basement paying your utilities bill 😂

[@DerekDavis213]

Apple's so-called high end options have several fatal flaws: -very weak gpu, compared to 4090 -no upgrades -no repairs -cannot run Windows properly -limited native software for m2/m3

[@troyfrei2962]

Another wonderful review!! Wish I had that kind of money.

[@hwi7114]

Not anything I need or want since 95% of what I do on the PC is game, but they are pretty rad and it's always cool to see more options on the market.

[@ejtaylor73]

May I suggest for next months build, instead of building for a price point, you build a PC by usage, and not just gaming. With more and more doing KZbin, Rumble, etc. maybe a "budget" video processing PC would be a good one (And still being able to game a bit would be helpful too). Give those just starting out a place to start and those already doing it something to look at to figure out what they can get to upgrade a bit.

[@lucasrem]

Cheap Budget UNIX linux build. What games do good on cheap UNIX build, old GTX 1080 Ti on dumped Xeon, or new Server AMD parts ? Unix video render software etc. Blender movies ?

[@09blackcobaltss]

I'm curious how these Cpus do while streaming and gaming at the same time?

[@Mo_Klonus]

It seems like only yesterday you were talking about these new Threadrippers....

[@Jay_the_Caffeinator]

Awesomesauce video Paul and Joe!! This video was the first in my YT notification. Now, all the others are popping up. 😂 Joe's Caffeinator out.

[@CZmiho]

Hi. Can you please test system iddle power consumption? Because 3970X was very bad in this regard - 140W.

[@TrueThanny]

00:16 HEDT actually only became a thing in 2009, retroactively, when Intel released a toy version of Nehalem with a smaller socket and only 16 PCIe lanes in the chipset. This split was reinforced with Sandy Bridge, which moved PCIe to the CPU, and kept the lane count paltry in comparison to all previous PC platforms. Sandy Bridge-E was like previous PC's in terms of I/O capability, but started at a much higher price. This bifurcation continued, with the -E versions becoming ever more expensive. AMD was in Bulldozer hell, which still had enough I/O, but had terrible performance. Sadly, they also went the toy-PC route with Ryzen, when they moved PCIe onto the processor for the first time, forgetting to take a whole bunch of lanes with them. Threadripper was the answer, though AMD has done a pretty poor job maintaining the platform properly.

[@Pasi123]

Intel moved PCIe to the CPU already on Nehalem on LGA1156. At least Intel HEDT wasn't much more expensive than mainstream when comparing low end of HEDT to high end of mainstream. AMD X399 (1st and 2nd gen Threadripper) was also quite affordable to people wanting more cores, PCIe lanes and memory bandwidth/capacity. There was a big jump in price with Threadripper 3000 and Threadripper 7000 isn't any cheaper so there's a HUGE price gap between mainstream and HEDT

[@lucasrem]

Nehalem was a great design, only optimizing it, getting more and more security layers ! But the mem came with AMD outsourcing it's designs to TSMC producing them. glue more chips on the CPU, is getting more I/O too. intel did good Tik Tok Tak, updating the chips, the 14700 is good enough ! ecores ? Gamers only need 4 Cores on 6 Ghz, just needing enough frames only, rest of the I/O can get other cores, what ever you name it, slow cores ? Green cores ? i-Cores on apple !

[@Hugh_I]

quick correction to what you say @ 6:10: you are NOT limited to 48 PCIe lanes. As the next slide you show says: you get 88 PCIe lanes in total, but "only" 48 of them are Gen5! Most of the others are gen4. So Quad GPU at full bandwidth is perfectly possible with the non-TR variants (64 lanes). You even still have enough left over for multiple NVMEs.

[@lucasrem]

Hugh_I Gen 5, why you need these micron drives ??? Please wait ! Try to write one use case scenario for these lanes ! they just glue them on the chips, getting more I/O too, that many PCIe lanes is over kill ! One NVMe only makes the GPU render more frames !

[@Hugh_I]

@@lucasrem Yes that many lanes is overkill for most people. We're talking expensive professional hardware for specific use cases here, not your consumer hardware platform for everyone. Neither of those lanes nor any amount of NVME makes your games "render more frames". For example, a render workstation for a VFX shop that uses multiple GPUs to render massive amounts of video, stores the footage on multiple fast SSDs and shovels it around to other render nodes over a 100GBit NIC.

[@glmchn]

Very much considering the 7960X for my sysadmin system for the decent amount of cores, the PCIe lanes, motherboard/chipsets features, and the 4 channels RDIMM ECC. Running scripts, 100+ tabs open across 4 different browsers, virtualisation/container in the background, etc..

[@lucasrem]

guillaumechanut sysadmin ? Unix on it ? Why you need so many I/O, how many users you connect on the system, 10.000.000 users ? NIC ? PCIe cards ? If users run scrips, you need this system ! If it is only you, you never need this level. What VR ware is supported to run on AMD ? you write it all yourself ? demanding that all others use AMD hardware too ? only one system ?

[@jeremybarber2837]

This is a great review! I am not in the market for this tier of computer but I can totally see the use case. I know Jay’s over clocking video focused mainly on Cinebench numbers but I’d love to see what a “reasonable” overclock would look like for gaming workloads. 24->64 threads all clocked at 5.6Ghz would be… epic. Great work!

[@MK-xc9to]

Little correction its 92 PCIE Lanes , 88 of them usable , 48 of them PCIe 5 , which means you have 48 PCIe 5 and 40 PCIe 4 ( i guess ) , if you ask me , it is to get the chipset and Motherboard cheaper because PCIe 5 need lots of re drivers if the Distance to the CPU gets to far , thats why in consumer Land only the first 2 PCIe Slots get PCIe 5 even with the most expensive Boards .

[@lucasrem]

glue more chips on the CPU, is getting more I/O too\why you need that many PCIe lanes ? 14700k is the best ! Less is better ! Why go HOT here ?

[@MK-xc9to]

@@lucasrembecause i have an PCIe card which fits 4 NVME with 4 Lanes each =16 + the 2 or 3 NVME on the Motherboard = 8 /12 Lanes , the 40 GBit Ethernet card = 8 Lanes , the GPU = 8 or 16 Lanes , add it together ... = thats alone 48 /52 Lanes ! There are People out there which dont only use the CPU and GPU to play only Games . Intels 14700K is Bullshit , has only 24 Lanes from which only 20 Lanes are usable , without the ( up to ) 24 chipset Lanes it would be only enough for 1 NVME ( 4 Lanes and 1 GPU ( 16 Lanes ) . Those Devices attached to the chipset have to share the Bandwith of the only 4 Lanes which are connected from the chipset to the CPU .

[@adampicklesimer8310]

I got you Paul, just came from the December Build planning videos!

[@Lenticular67]

Nice video, Paul!

[@Haargeroya]

3955WX + 2x 3090 Kingpin here. Extremely excited to upgrade to a Pro 7000 chip but very concerned that inflated pricing will pressure me out of a core count upgrade to 24 or 32

[@RANDOMNATION907]

_ASUS !?_ . . . hopefully Wendell's review will be on Asrock's TRX50 WS.

[@kindnuguz]

I still have my EVGA x299 x9900 but hardly use it, there is something about quad channel DDR that feels different to me. its sad how these parts have disappeared into the abyss and I'm forced to use this dual channel, limited PCIex lanes setup without much choice unless I want to dump thousands which is kind of pointless.

[@lucasrem]

kindnuguz I just replaced my X99 Deluxe system, DDR 4 3300 XMP is still fast enough, the only problem is the Xeon cores on 3.8 max, 5Ghz HOT ? limited PCIe lanes ? you bought the 6800k cheapest model on low PCIe lanes ? only replace the CPU please ! If 5Ghz is enough, keep it It does USB thunderbolt 3 UBS20, all the I/O is good, 3 fast NVMe ports ! why replace it ? Games ? You can have my Stix X99 board ! i stopped using it, Deluxe II is better for that CPU 69xx ? Xeon model !

[@heyheyhophop]

Duron 750 aficionado here :)

[@astralboy]

excellent review! thanks for your effort and time spent on the same. Clearly the thread rippers are great for 3d rendering or virtualization and so very specifically targeted for multi threaded apps not dependent on other threads.

[@chiefjudge8456]

Threadripper 7000 is an absolute MONSTER.

[@Noswolf]

thank you both for lovely work! and if the money was there i would love a threatripper bulid

[@NaviUpgrade]

I'm planning on upgrading to the 7970X from the 7950X. I've run out of PCIe lanes just because of a dang capture card and a number of NVMe drives :( Would love to see some DaVinci Resolve & Lightroom Benchmarks!

[@TheRealLink]

Great video Paul! Really good to know about the comparative facts for Blender, video compression, gaming etc as your ASUS board is the one I'm looking at purchasing along with a 7960X. While I do a lot of 4K gaming (and good to see the frames on that average out or at worst, are slightly behind), it's 3D and video work that's just starting to demand more resources than my current X299 machine can provide. Sure, 7950X3D or 14900K are better values, no one's denying that - it just depends on how much work you're needing to leverage on the machine and what those requirements are. At least the prosumers aren't just stuck with paying $5K plus for EPYCs and that's it. HEDT at this level is indeed a niche spot but nice to see AMD offer a solution for it.

[@robertsneddon731]

My first HEDT build was back in 2000, a dual-Pentium CPU system for a business graphics company. It had two Pentium 60 CPUs, 256MB of SDRAM and a Matrox video card in a full-tower case. It cost mucho bucks and ran Windows NT Workstation. By 2008 it was so obsolete it wasn't funny but it had earned its pricetag many times over by the time it was retired.

[@andymetzen]

Back then, I was rocking the Pentium Pro system, it was a CPU as large as a Threadripper and had 2 dies on the chip, a compute die and a cache die.

[@samiraperi467]

Pentium 60 in 2000? You sure about that? Because I built a dual Socket 370 Celeron system that year.

[@samiraperi467]

@@andymetzen PPro was nowhere as big as a Threadripper.

[@shanent5793]

Where was that because in Canada in Y2K I had already gotten rid of a dual Pentium 233 MMX, a dual Celeron 300, and Pentium Pros could be found in office dumpsters. I was just starting college so those systems weren't that pricey, especially if it was DIY. Even Alpha 21264 systems were being sold by the pound so in what technological third world did P5 60s cost that much?

[@andymetzen]

@@samiraperi467You must be confused, all you need to do is a simple search for dimensions.

[@CoalitionGaming]

Fall/Winter beard Paul is glorious.

[@leviathanpriim3951]

super cool for those that need it

[@Yves_Cools]

@Paul's Hardware : Paul can you please test the new Threadripper CPU in Windows 10/11 to see if it crashes like the older generations (the infamous "event ID 56 - ACPI 15" full system crash) so that people know if this problem still persists or not ? Thank you. And since you are actively using gen 1 and gen 2 Threadripper series CPU's : can you please let us know if you've experienced any event ID 56 (ACPI 15) crashes with these machines ? And if not: can you please post the detailed system specs for these machines ?

[@justin9605]

Thank you.

[@OvalboreTech]

planning to scoop a 5000 series TR Pro and sWRX80 this black friday. really cool systems but price points just aren't there for me on those CPUs vs R9

[@nickwort123]

If the regular processors are a race car and the server processors are semis….. are you saying HEDT is a panel van??? I’ve never wanted one more.

[@levygaming3133]

I think a better analogy would be a Ford Raptor. More speed than a Semi, and more carrying capacity than a race car.

[@Craider79]

That's all fine and dandy Paul - But can it run Crysis?

[@yogiwp_]

Would love to see code compile bench on these.

[@RobBCactive]

Gamers Nexus showed Chromium compile, it's fast and power efficient.

[@Mikey-Likes-I.T]

we need to figure out how to get those to run two as one, maybe use the technology that they use to make the threadripper maybe? would be cool if we could do to processors what we once did to video cards.

[@ATADSP]

I plan on building a thread ripper, maybe the 7970X, for my home server, just because I can. It's currently running on a 3900x. Might not do it this gen, but eventually.

[@Gavrev]

I can only merely agree with you, but nice to see anyway!

[@MaxxKoggen]

Why are watercoolers circular when all cpus they cool are rectangular?

[@mynamebeethshawn]

@6:05 you can use 88 total lanes but only 48 gen 5 lanes.

[@shammyh]

Thank you for actually comparing at 4k resolution...

[@MrMartinSchou]

6:10 - You get 88 PCIe lanes. 48 of them are PCIe 5.0. You have another 40 PCIe 4.0 lanes, which is around double of what you get on previous gen desktop platforms. Unless you're rocking an insane amount of PCIe 5.0 devices, this seems like a rather moot point. Like - what, exactly, are you running on a TRX50 platform, that needs more than 48 PCIe 5.0 lanes and 40 PCIe 4.0 lanes, that makes it NOT worth your money to get the WRX90 platform?

[@Polyh3dron]

I would love to see a video of someone overclocking a Threadripper 7000 system to see if it can get closer to gaming parity with a current gen mainstream desktop system. Only way I will consider a Threadripper build is if I can do it without making it a step backwards in gaming performance.

[@TheDataWorkshop]

I'm considering purchasing the threadripper for a deep learning platform I'm building, I also do simulations and work in Unreal engine. Could someone provide any insight on whether these use-cases could be worth it? I know I saw someone run a Monte Carlo Markov Chain benchmark (MCMC) and it seemed threadripper was several x better than the next best option. Thanks for any insights! Also curious, could the multiple cores impact strategy games more than FPS where I think there's a hard CPU-bound on pathfinding and agent calculations?

[@Zythan]

Paul's releasing the KRAKEN!

[@usleadershipareliars]

Not for me, but it is great info to know.

[@sergilafachi1289]

Nice and informative video, I'm curious about the maximum temperature of the 7980 X during rendering at 100% load. In 3Ds max/corona renderer it goes up to 93 degrees and is this normal? With 360 mm thermaltake cooling

[@JiriMatys]

Hi, nice review. One thing, please, what was cpu frequency with all cores load? 3D rendering in VRay, Blender or something like that. Thank you.

[@ShimejiiGaming]

Price is WAY to high for HEDT. Really sad to see what they did with it. 24 core if it was 800$ would have been fine. 32 core around 1500, and 64 3000. But they went well above that last time so why would they charge less.

[@lucasrem]

ShimejiiGaming Nobody needed it why should you games need 48 cores or what ever 14900k is faster, you only need more frames !

[@ers-tj4to]

I'll consider getting a 7950X if Asus comes out with a new Zenith motherboard with 8 dimm slots.

[@Theworthsearcher]

7950X? 😲 AM5? 😲

[@IronmanV5]

Great video, bro! Have a very happy Thanksgiving!

[@Cloutian516]

Of all the Threadripper videos, I came here first. Thanks Paul

[@jh6349]

You make videos that are very informative 0:59

[@itsdeonlol]

The new TR is impressive!

[@jelome1989]

Can you disable 7 CCDs for the 7980x and just leave 1 used? That way that 1 CCD takes advantage of that massive 256MB L3 cache, and maybe even clock higher. I wonder how that fares?

[@fernandezvonschwephausen1979]

Is it wrong that I so want to build a HEDT, even though I would never EVER come close to using it to its fullest extent? I built a massive server for the house some years back, Dual Xeons, max memory, lots of big (at the time) drives, and eventually took it down due to not ever needing all the power and the fact that it sounded like I had a jet engine in my basement. Guess it's cool I don't have lots of cash to burn anymore. Great video once again.

[@BookmansBlues]

The irony is, is that CPU based rendering is sunsetting, in favor of GPU based rendering. There are still some use cases in production where you might want a lot of CPU cores, but that is shrinking too, and really only in cases where you are constrained by VRAM on the GPU, and you need access to a much larger memory pool.

[@chiefjudge8456]

CPU rendering is more accurate than GPU rendering. Video editing, compilation, general multi-tasking, VMs, generative AI, LLMs, encoding, game dev, streaming are all use cases where you want a lot of CPU cores. In other words basically anything you can do on a computer. 16 cores is the bare minimum for me and even then it isn't enough. Low core count CPUs are quickly becoming obsolete.

[@BookmansBlues]

@@chiefjudge8456 Accuracy is kind a misnomer here, I think what people mean by that, is that GPU renderers need more samples to create a clean image, but the problem isn't that one is more accurate than the other given a specific method of rendering. What matters in production is the end result for a given cost, which scales with the budget. Most TV and Film work I do, is done on the GPU because the GPU is just faster to get results that are often better looking depending on the renderer. What will matter in the end though, is the quality of the denoising, which is still lagging behind, but no one wants to wait on the CPU anymore, and denoising tech is rapidly evolving.

[@JoshuaHaglund]

I agree with 15:20. 6x the cores and threads, but 18x the prices, only a 2.5x perfomance increase on the results. Reminds me of AMD Opteron. I'd take 3 full blown PC's over 1 that's over $10k.

[@taokichavez9319]

hey Paul, great video thanks for sharing. Have You though about building and benchmarking a dual CPU motherboard PC? I would love to see that in your channel :D

[@jamieknight326]

We’re considering a threadripper build to replace M1 Ultra Mac Studio’s for our developer workstations. We build a financial crime detection platform which has an intensely heavy parallel test suite. At full blast it can consume ~650 threads. We’re hitting the limit of performance on the Mac Studio and a 64 core threadripper is comparatively good value for the performance boost.

[@Theworthsearcher]

Or the 96 cores pro version, or 128 cores EPYC. ;) Depends on your job. ;)

[@RichardJNeo]

Are there any games that are heavily multithreaded enough to use these effectively?

[@LOLHoneybadger]

I know this is old news, but why is it that so few reviewers got or reviewed the 7960X? It seems like it would be "The" go to for people trying to bridge the gap between full workstation & a gaming PC, since it's 'only' 24 cores 48 threads, but it also clocks higher, is cheaper, and thereby makes the new TR setup more attainable for people already spending thousands on a gaming PC (even if you go 7800X3D & 4080 or 4080 Super instead of a 4090 it's still over $2k for a full setup). Now that the 9000-series is out and very disappointing, I wonder if a 9000 refresh of TR is coming, and if the 7960X is worth looking at for people that do work & play on the same system.

[@Yuriel1981]

Personally I'm hoping to net a 2900 or 3900 series threadripper and mobo to upgrade my home server. Used ones will soon hit the market and i hope at a good price.

[@TECHiSuppose]

Very cool though definitely not on my radar to actually buy. I'd like an reasonably priced efficient build with a lot of PCI-E lanes for storage and other uses with tasks like video editing. Like 16 cores maximum and would even prefer something with a TDP of 65 or 90w. I guess 24 lanes then. Kind of goofy manufacturers limit consumer systems so much here considering how many lanes an add-on GPU takes up. 🤷 I have a Highpoint 4x NVME storage card in my current system to get around not being able to use those cheap ones that use PCI-E lanes to work instead of a controller that handles the SSDs.

[@Z-S-H]

7950 Nuff said 👍

[@cracklingice]

I really miss HEDT. Shame it's still dead. HEDT should use consumer memory and it should range from 12 to 32 cores with quad channel memory, 40 PCIE lanes and start around $1200 combined for the cheapest CPU and board. W790 and TRX50 are Lite Workstation instead of HEDT because of the registered ECC server memory and outrageous price tags.

[@peterchapman69]

how do they compare against new intel xeons?

[@mattybbg6850]

New threadripper CPU's? didn't see that coming...

[@jaymacpherson8167]

The threadripper makes me salivate. However, that’s all due to decades of computer-based jobs where this is a wonderful tool.

[@UNKLELUKE86]

Thanks you have help me save so much money. 16 cores is enough.

[@TheTinydogproduction]

Hey Paul. I have been a fan for years. Even though I don't speak pc tech, I try. I was wondering if you'd consider doing a wee vid on a build for people like me. Who really want to build a PC, but lack that language you all speak ;) this brand is better, this series vs that series. what part goes with what part, if all one wants is a semi basic (1080) gaming experience, not playing the big games necessarily. Just, average. 😊

[@ali-sleimanchehade6129]

Honestly I’m not a gamer and really considering saving up for a Threadripper 7980X for 3D scanne and Fusion 360 I’m just tired that my PC keeps crashing when using Fusion or when scanning and a message say insufficient memory 😩 my dream Pc will be the 7980X with 4 48GB ram from corsair vengeance and the 5090 GPU or preferably the RTX 6000

[@molochi]

I'm oldish now, so I remember +$10k workstation systems from the 1980s that were needed to do anything really cool in 3d. It's kinda sad to see things going back that way.

[@lucasrem]

molochi SiliconGraphics ? Well, in 1997 you could run alias wavefront MAYA on Windows, rest was history. Use cheap gaming cards !

[@TundeEszlari]

Great content.

[@MrDgt66]

az biza

[@theshadow6273]

I have one major issue with these kinds of tests.. Most people who are actually looking at these high end, very expensive cpus are going to be using them in workstations for vfx, creator, development and/or data center tasks... They arent going to be using them for gaming. Also, tests like cinebench really only provide a very narrow perspective for a use case that is being slowly phased out of the industry and that is cpu rendering. It would be much more valuable to the people who are considering the purchase of these chips if the reviews included test bench comparison when running simulations in applications like blender, c4D, houdini, embergen etc. Simulations like fluids, smoke and pyro, rigid bodies, cloth etc. Set up tests for these simulations, run them with each cpu and compare the performance results. Simulations are ideal because they provide a blend of single core and multi core tasks and processes in order to fulfill the calculations. Testing a threadripper for gaming is, as you pointed out, as useful as matching a semi-truck against an f1 car.

[@boowh1]

I would just use that for web surfing.

[@kazi1]

Hi

[@bmiller949]

Wow, who would have guessed 10 years ago that Intel would be a cheaper option over AMD in the high end arena.

[@Theworthsearcher]

Where is intel cheaper? 😲

[@ZeonxMusic]

The time has come to buy a new PC I'm thinking of spending $20,000 to $30,000 including 6 monitors 4090 2tb of ram and probably 6* 8tb ssd My main issue is the cpu, i like gaming allot Though I need a ton of cores, hard to decide between new amd16 core for gamingor 64/128 core thread rippers, would make sense to get two more computers but I'd rather just have the one.

[@Castigar48]

i do a little crisscross for threadripper by golly. Everyone join me in the high end productivity dance

[@Ludak021]

Wow. Good for you Paul. I can only dream about purchasing power you have. edit: I am too poor for this tech channel.

[@daveg4417]

It makes me sad when channels say that the only HEDT on the market right now is the AMD TR or TRPro. No mention of the Intel W2400 and W3400 series which has been out for a year already. There is virtually no coverage for the W series on KZbin. Last fall I built an Intel Xeon W7-2495X 24-Core, ASUS W790 ACE, 512GB, RTX-3090 system and I really like it. LTT, JTC, L1T, and PH all only talk about AMD... Paid shills perhaps? :/

[@GTNLOST]

I like that it is right there... above what I am comfortable (even after a few beers) to pay for. I just can't justify it because the only return on the investment would be the bragging rights. And with those I would brag to, it would just mean they would think I am kinda dumb and need to get a life. They'd be right. But damn. I would love to have all that POWER. Or potential power. Sigh.

[@hangryn3rd]

If I were able to afford that pricetag, I would get it just for those PCIe lanes.

[@arabbit2226]

Be a homie and let me have the whole PC. Could totally use an upgrade from my current set up lmao

[@brainfodder3233]

Not seeing the $2500 in extra value there, but this is perhaps a tax?

[@ShiroKuroh]

I think these have a class. But these are comparable to the $2000 PC's that could handle 7 cards at full speed. This is the price. That AMD k62 400 Mhz with an AGP and 6 cards of 1998. Fast Forward to today and that's a $3775 PC. The difference between is now double the price. This is really the cost to support 48 lanes of if PCIE 5.0, (vs the 128 lanes form the PRO Variant;) you might as well add another 0 to the end of the price before the Decimal. If you don't need 48 PCIE Lanes or 64 to 128 Cores, then you probably shouldn't buy this.

[@ROMANERUIZA]

I really don't understand why people and reviewers call these processors "not a good option for gaming". I mean, yeah, top tier "gaming" processors provide the highest FPS counts AVG but, it's not like gaming on these Threadrippers is unbearable and/or make games unplayable; we're talking about a +/- 15% difference in FPS, for Christ's sake! For someone who's actually willing to spend this kind of money and makes use of all these threads for computational workloads, occasional gaming is not only perfectly supported by these processors, but it's also performed better than with many older non HEDT processors.

[@charlesburris6314]

Definitely not for optimal gaming, but impressive compute performance.

[@DerekDavis213]

But since compute performance is mostly due to RTX 4090, is 32 or 64 cores really needed?

[@m4nc1n1]

My 3960X is in my server. No reason to upgrade it. My gaming rig has a 7900X

[@johnh1353]

Comparing to a 7950x3d is kind of mis-leading as windoze will schedule a game on a single CCD, really just making it a 7800x3d

[@bes12000]

This is the 6th video I have seen where AMD just gave these reviewers like 20k worth of PC parts to review those two monster CPU's.. AMD blowing a lot of money pushing this, when like 90% of us can't even afford it, lol.. I could afford a 2920X system a few years ago and im stuck with it because everythings so damn expensive now.. better off just sticking with a 7950X or 7950X3d..