How fast is the M1 Max Mac Studio?

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Jeff Geerling

Jeff Geerling

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@the_beefy1986
@the_beefy1986 2 жыл бұрын
I love how the SD card reader is an exciting point. And of course, the price is "a bit" more down to earth :)
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
Apple's found a way to make people excited about old keyboard design and ancient IO ports :D
@andrecarvalho2833
@andrecarvalho2833 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the Watt test! you are the first one that I've seen test it on this machine, and I'm amazed at how low it is.
@alphaLONE
@alphaLONE 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be very interested in both Asahi and the Pi GPU project, so whatever comes out first I'll be happy with it 😀
@ELISEY93
@ELISEY93 2 жыл бұрын
Asahi is out
@airy_co
@airy_co 2 жыл бұрын
same! you can't go wrong with any of those
@awndolznmowdlzkwndznwua
@awndolznmowdlzkwndznwua 2 жыл бұрын
Put all of your headless servers ( Rpis, clusters, boxes ) in a black cabinet on wheels with a UPS. Call it the COMPUTERINATOR ( flashy scifi lights necesarry )
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
You subscribe to 45Drives' naming conventions, I see :D
@NFMorley
@NFMorley 2 жыл бұрын
The M1 machines are impressive, and I've been really happy with my M1 Air (albeit I still have a powerful desktop pc); the graphical power of their chips in particular for video/photo work is remarkable for such low energy chips vs the power hog my desktop RTX card is! Linux could be an interesting experience once the quirks are ironed out. That being said, I am getting pretty fed up with Apple's 'greenwashing' of their products and stupid design quirks though. It's disappointing they claim to be environmentally conscious in their supply chain, and with gestures like using paper packing, then go out of their way to design their machines to be difficult to repair/maintain, and I strongly suspect that 'expandable' storage in the Mac Studio isn't just a standard NVMe/m2 implementation, but linked to a proprietary chip model or standard. It just irritates me because despite all R&D costs they no doubt plough into these, there's still clear decisions made to compromise the product for profitability rather than just make it as good as possible. Sorry for the rant!
@JoshBeatty6
@JoshBeatty6 2 жыл бұрын
@Jake Siener That plug is a standard C5 power cord, that you can buy on amazon for 6$, not proprietary at all. I’m all for bashing apple but don’t make things up.
@ianide2480
@ianide2480 2 жыл бұрын
This is why I vote with my wallet. Never mind that I refuse to pay the apple tax. Apple's "engineering practices" and recent anti-repair efforts are enough to keep me away from any of their products. And no, I am not sold by their recent PR stunt to make people think that they are pro-repair. I cannot fathom how they can claim to be some jesus meets gandhi, leading the way in "green," we love recycling type of company. Just admit that your sole purpose is to obsolete last years product as quickly as possible and sell a new one this year, this is not a secret.
@tjarkwestensee7152
@tjarkwestensee7152 2 жыл бұрын
The SSD if I remember correctly is actually just the NAND-Chip and the actuall controller is integrated into the M1 SoC
@S41t4r4
@S41t4r4 2 жыл бұрын
even worse, they market their paper packaging as environmentally friendly while it's 100% made out of new paper, the stuff that is actually still pretty harmful, because it's probably contains a lot of tropical wood because the wood marked is extremely intransparent and even without it still contribute to a lot of environmental damage.
@Initialgs
@Initialgs 2 жыл бұрын
The thing is, in the main, apple machines, whilst they can and do go wrong, in my own personal experience of using them for over thirty six/seven years I can literally count on one hand how many times they’ve needed repairing. I just use my Mac (for work) and keep it for years, then at some point 6 or 8 years down the road I exchange it for a higher spec model. My PC gaming buddies however are always tinkering and upgrading, cards, motherboards, cases etc etc. on balance I am not sure how much greener one is over another. But I’d say at least in my case and the companies I’ve worked with over the years, on balance using the Mac workflow has at least to me seemed a little more friendly environmentally speaking. Though it’s probably pretty close really. As far as repair goes again in general, and again in my own experience which admittedly is not all that expansive, it would seem to me that the average Mac user is really not about repairing, tuning, tweaking and upgrading. Part of the whole fun of PC ownership is tinkering and absolutely my PC buddies know waaaaay more than I do about computers. I know my way around a Mac and it’s systems and I can chuck in some memory (well, when we could do that, I admit that is frustrating that you cannot do that so much with the newer machines so you have to pay Apple prices which are often 4-5x the cost of equivalent third part), though again with the average Apple user you tend to just not over think such things and order from the apple store what you need. I understand that you should really have a choice as an end user and Apple are short sighted in taking that option off the table. I just think that they know their market and are trying to deliver quick, efficient machines that work out the box with little effort. If you are a PC head then you are probably not going to buy into that, and that is absolutely fine. I’ll stick with my Mac just because it’s just a tool to use and I just use it with little fuss, when I turn it off or on standby at the end of a days work, I forget about it. If I want to game I chuck my Xbox on and use that. I do miss the old days of turning up to lan Quake 3 competitions when everyone brought out their beige monster pc rigs and I just ran my original (titanium) MacBook Pro….
@ppkus
@ppkus 2 жыл бұрын
Now we expect 6x the videos per week
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, that's just not possible!
@TheMrBrianh
@TheMrBrianh 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad to see the power cable is removable!
@SmokeytheBeer
@SmokeytheBeer 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see some benchmarks on the Linux distro built for M1 silicon. Most of my workflows are built on Linux containers/VMs and seeing how the Apple silicon stacks up to X86 instructions would be very interesting...
@affieuk
@affieuk 2 жыл бұрын
Hugo runs twice as fast on Asahi Linux vs MacOS, google it, reddit thread.
@JohnADoe-pg1qk
@JohnADoe-pg1qk 2 жыл бұрын
The SSD is in one slot (and there seems to be a second slot as well), but it's a proprietary system. The swappable part is just the memory - and that's dongled to the device. If you put it in another Mac Studio, it won't work. (I read that elsewhere, there are videos on KZbin, too.)
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
If the firmware can be updated the actual SSD memory could be upgraded, most likely (just like on the existing Mac Pro). I'm hopeful Apple will offer upgrades-the decision to keep the memory in an expansion slot required time and money to do... they'd have to be able to change it out somehow.
@Cynyr
@Cynyr 2 жыл бұрын
I'd bet the ports were basically a response to supply chain issues more than Apple wanting to offer upgrades. Socketed ram and SSDs mean you can keep churning out main boards and lower spec versions even if there is another dram shortage. Also if they are planning on keeping this design around for a few years, this allows an easy mid generation refresh to higher ram and SSD capacities without re-tooling.
@iam.jasonhoward
@iam.jasonhoward 2 жыл бұрын
6:27 we want all the videos, Jeff. All of them! 😂
@UCm0i6w5lBlRthCtZEoj99tg
@UCm0i6w5lBlRthCtZEoj99tg 2 жыл бұрын
Jeff always has the coolest toys.
@zebrasprite
@zebrasprite 2 жыл бұрын
And the kinkiest power cables.
@therobotank1278
@therobotank1278 2 жыл бұрын
I've never really have been a big fan of apple mainly for their high price and polices but I've got too admit their editing software and quality in the devices & packaging is outstanding.
@grifter77
@grifter77 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Silent and efficient! I'm certainly curious to see what the m1 mini is like running Linux. I would also have liked to see the Idle and under load number for the Mini using the same load and the same test equipment that you used for the Ryzen and Studio.
@SolarLantern424
@SolarLantern424 Жыл бұрын
YES! Same here I wanted to see the power consumption figures for the mini too. The mini was looking quite nice and I bet its still fast at compiling.
@waltz157
@waltz157 2 жыл бұрын
Nice graphs, Jeff. Glad you picked one of these up. Always interested in your takes and commentary on these things.
@zerrocool809
@zerrocool809 2 жыл бұрын
I am really excited for the new pi gpu video.... as a matter of fact, that video series is why i found you channel.
@Steamrick
@Steamrick 2 жыл бұрын
Regarding idle power - it's actually not the CPU consuming that power, it's everything else. Mainly the mainboard (chipset, etc), RAM (a couple watts) and HDDs if you have them. The CPU will go waaay down in power consumption when truly idling. Power under load - just imagine if you'd measured against an Intel i9. (If you consider that an whataboutism... fair enough.)
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
True, when the PC is 'off', the thing is still pulling 1-2W (the Studio shows as 0.0W on the Kill-A-Watt). But the AMD CPUs are also not as good at idle power consumption as the latest Intel chips (especially lower end).
@aravindpallippara1577
@aravindpallippara1577 2 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling i would say it's the opposite, ryzen 5000 are remarkably effective at low power compared to intel 12th gen - intel chips just scale very well when given enough power to draw
@allesklarklaus147
@allesklarklaus147 2 жыл бұрын
@@aravindpallippara1577 But the question was whether AMD or Intel chips pull more power at idle. Not how well they deal with a given power budget.
@LorenzLeutgeb
@LorenzLeutgeb 2 жыл бұрын
Please cover Asahi Linux next! A smooth Linux experience would make these models way more attractive to many Linux users. Thanks.
@o0julek0o
@o0julek0o 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely please do the Asahi Linux test. AND HAVE SOME ASAHI WHILE DOING IT! It’s the best beer!
@digitalspecter
@digitalspecter 2 жыл бұрын
Although I don't expect miracles from Asahi at this point .. I'd really like to see how it runs on M1 Mini.. If AMD doesn't get their shit together I'll be running Linux on M1 machines at some point..
@archlinuxrussian
@archlinuxrussian 2 жыл бұрын
AMD had their Seattle ARM chip but totally dropped the ball on it 😂😟 was excited for it too.
@roguethinker6284
@roguethinker6284 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jeff for all the amazing content!
@Gyooopp
@Gyooopp Жыл бұрын
How can you just waste 50$
@robcover3139
@robcover3139 Жыл бұрын
@@Gyooopp Hi Andy. Hope I find you well today. I dont really watch TV anymore and pretty well just watch stuff I'm interested in to learn about. Jeff has made a lot of good content for me personally. I figure I'd support his efforts. Jeff has also been going through some tough times with some medical conditions. I see you have your own channel. I wish you success in developing your channel. I'm sure you have probably experienced the hard work that can go into developing a brand☺
@Gyooopp
@Gyooopp Жыл бұрын
@@robcover3139 but the money should go to broke like me, i should also get chance and if one day i become rich I'll help other too
@MrSmitheroons
@MrSmitheroons 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be very interested in a look at Asahi Linux, as long as people watching understand it's not finished and certain things are still actively being worked on -- GPU support is missing, some hardware/peripherals won't work, etc etc! Still, it'd be really neat to see Linux properly coded up for the Apple M1 family of machines!
@ejon
@ejon 2 жыл бұрын
Please test Asahi Linux first! Can't wait for that video 🥳
@thesilverydragon
@thesilverydragon 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the M1 generation of Mac machines would work as amazing servers, they consume very little power, even under load and they have a pretty damn reasonable amount of horsepower compared to Raspberry Pi's and other consumer ARM systems. Only unfortunate thing being that there's very little room for upgrades or expansions.
@foldionepapyrus3441
@foldionepapyrus3441 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed, I find it very hard to say it as Apple's walled garden business models really make me want to hate everything they do, but these M1 chips do seem to really hit a great sweet spot of performance and efficiency - far better for a large variety of users that don't really need the super computer number cruncher than the AMD/Intel competition, and for once don't seem quite so stupendously overpriced for the hardware insides capabilities. But really they need to put out a workstation/server version so you can choose to expand the IO/Storage etc to actually have the damn thing meet your needs.
@oksowhat
@oksowhat 2 жыл бұрын
cost is a bummer, i dont think u need much power to host even a small office server, for bigger commercial usage, dedicated modules are certainly better
@thesilverydragon
@thesilverydragon 2 жыл бұрын
@@foldionepapyrus3441 And of course I'd love to see proper Linux support if they ever do release a workstation/server M1 Mac. Not sure if they ever would, but a man can certainly dream. :)
@foldionepapyrus3441
@foldionepapyrus3441 2 жыл бұрын
@@thesilverydragon It would certainly be basically useless to me without proper Linux support, still not everyone cares or hates the 'Apple experience'....
@aravindpallippara1577
@aravindpallippara1577 2 жыл бұрын
@@thesilverydragon I would jump on that - only reason I didn't get a mac mini was the lack of linux support. Using a 1000$ gpu less 5600G (those 1.5tb nvme ssds, and 32Gb of fast ram wasn't cheap)
@toddgreener
@toddgreener 2 жыл бұрын
I'm slightly more interested in Asahi than the Pi GPU
@LPkukin
@LPkukin 2 жыл бұрын
Asahi Linux on the Mac Studio really seems interesting. It's not officially supported by the Asahi Linux installer but it's worth a shot and tinkering around. Maybe you can also contribute to Asahi.
@MidnightMidas
@MidnightMidas 2 жыл бұрын
When you test asahi linux, please test out proton if it does actually works!
@truthmatters7573
@truthmatters7573 2 жыл бұрын
I would want to see that kernel compilation benchmark on Asahi
@Mr.AIFella
@Mr.AIFella 2 жыл бұрын
You know something, I watched dozens of Mac m1 pro, max and ultra reviews. But you are the one who got me interested while I'm watching, because you are talking about using the machine not like wow I'm having this machine see my benchmarks
@roverdad
@roverdad 2 жыл бұрын
Asahi on m1 is my preference. Raspberry pi with graphics card is interesting but nothing i would likely need.
@johnjbateman
@johnjbateman 2 жыл бұрын
You got my vote for Asahi Linux!
@sallyhaj
@sallyhaj 2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that "Asahi Linux" still in alpha stage, and there is no GPU acceleration support yet.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
Yep! It'll be fun to see what is and isn't possible.
@markw365
@markw365 2 жыл бұрын
You missed the good old days of hour+ long compiles on 486 chips. :)
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
Heh, the Pi 4 takes about 1 hour to compile Linux!
@aprilnya
@aprilnya 2 жыл бұрын
I really want to see that Asahi video
@declanmcardle
@declanmcardle 2 жыл бұрын
Great! The bloopers are at the front!
@FloydBunsen
@FloydBunsen 2 жыл бұрын
I installed asahi linux last night, and audio isn’t working, but otherwise it performs decently, especially for not using the graphics card.
@XxUltimateGodzXx
@XxUltimateGodzXx 2 жыл бұрын
Huh, the power cable is removable! That's craaaazy!
@bestofbest8213
@bestofbest8213 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be very interested in Asahi
@JustZacharyLund
@JustZacharyLund 2 жыл бұрын
Do both. Can't wait.
@tomsoccocio9065
@tomsoccocio9065 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you for the information presented in a fun way. Wonder if you can help me make a decision. I am a full-time audio/video producer and currently use an iMac Pro (3 years old). I am upgrading my studio and I am having trouble deciding whether to pull the trigger on the new Mac Studio with the M1 Ma. I have an i7, 64 gigs of ram, and a 1 TB of storage in my Pro. Do you think I would get considerably better performance with the M1 max version than what I currently have. I use Premiere Pro as my primary video software and Ableton Live and Audition for Audio Production. Or…the big question…should I look for a PC like the HP Z series? Thoughts?
@JohnKraczek
@JohnKraczek 2 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see the info on Asahi.
@ncba
@ncba 2 жыл бұрын
The review I was looking for
@dylan_00
@dylan_00 2 жыл бұрын
Pi GPU! I can't believe you got *something* up and running, maybe that's a good sign for the future?
@matthewclinton3338
@matthewclinton3338 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Jeff! So excited to see all the stuff you do with the Rack-Studio
@julienfrench2963
@julienfrench2963 2 жыл бұрын
M1 linux video very exited to see that
@wammo12345
@wammo12345 2 жыл бұрын
Another great video Jeff. Looking forward to the Asahi Linux on Apple silicon video!
@lejoshmont2093
@lejoshmont2093 2 жыл бұрын
I would very much like to see the Asahi Linux install on the mini
@SlyEcho
@SlyEcho 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder, how were you compiling the kernel on the Mac? Did you use virtualization or a native compiler?
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
It's running inside Docker for Mac, so it uses the built in macOS hypervisor framework.
@tinixtr
@tinixtr 2 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Which explains why it is slower than the Ryzen build. This is important and should have probably been mentioned.
@finanzam1
@finanzam1 2 жыл бұрын
What is the power consumption on the old mac mini. idle/load? - do you have those numbers?
@erikshahverdyan2748
@erikshahverdyan2748 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Jeff.
@tjiani111
@tjiani111 2 жыл бұрын
I hope the power cord on your Mac mini is removable.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
Heh, it is. I can't believe the new Studio display, so many head-scratchers in its design.
@janjansen6263
@janjansen6263 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting Video, I would like to see the M1 Linux test first. Is dual boot also an option?
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can boot multiple Linux OSes (and still macOS) using Asahi's UEFI bootloader setup.
@janjansen6263
@janjansen6263 2 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling Nice, that means I can give the M1 mac(book) a try.
@figueroalabs
@figueroalabs 2 жыл бұрын
Please, please do the Asahi linux ASAP. I have a macbook air, that I love the hw, but I really hate mac os X, so to me, moving back to linux is something I've been wanting to do since day 3 or 4 since I got the macbook.
@pujai24k
@pujai24k 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video, would love to see some linux on apple silicon.
@scottwilliams895
@scottwilliams895 2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to hear more about Pi GPUs next!
@Crushertalos
@Crushertalos 2 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Completely on the fence on getting one of these and you have pushed me closer to the edge of picking one up! Ahaha I would love to see an install of Asahi Linux when you have a chance too
@JBoy340a
@JBoy340a 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! I also moved from a M1 Mini to the Studio Max. The difference is amazing.
@eric-seastrand
@eric-seastrand 2 жыл бұрын
Ooo yes test out the M1 Linux distro!! I was thinking “man that low power draw and high core count would make for a great virtualization machine” Would love to see if you can do VMs or containers with Asahi. Bonus points if you could do GPU pass through or somehow do hw accelerated H.264 encoding (ie, plex)
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
So far GPU on Asahi isn't supported, probably will take a bit more time to reverse-engineer. But even without it, the rest of the hardware could be compelling for certain Linux use cases.
@samegoi
@samegoi 2 жыл бұрын
pi gpu testing is more important for me. thank you very much Jeff
@ogattaz
@ogattaz 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it would be nice if you publish an Asahi linux review/test/bench :-) Thanks
@_alekss
@_alekss 2 жыл бұрын
Asahi project would be cool
@CoMmAnDrX
@CoMmAnDrX 2 жыл бұрын
The SSD NVMe drive can be replaced upgraded in your AMD system where as Apple is not allowing users to do so unless they bring it in to a Apple Store.
@cesarsfalcao
@cesarsfalcao 2 жыл бұрын
Stellar power efficiency
@davidt4053
@davidt4053 2 жыл бұрын
Asahi plz!
@TheOmegajimes
@TheOmegajimes 2 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad someone is leading the charge on ARM based computing. It makes so much more sense going forward, but there's a lot of legacy code that can be painful to implement across architectures. It'll be a long time before I trade my gaming X86_64 based gaming PC for an ARM system, but I could be convinced to invest in an ARM laptop for a portable workstation.
@aw6589
@aw6589 2 жыл бұрын
Please test Asahi Linux. I hate MacOS but I am interested in the HW
@tenminutetokyo2643
@tenminutetokyo2643 2 жыл бұрын
That soft power cord was pioneered way back in the NeXT days. All the NeXT machines had soft power cords too. So did the original Blue and White G3 from 25 years ago.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
The Blue & White (Yosemite) had a translucent power cord that would end up getting a little 'sticky' feeling after 5-10 years of use. It was a bit different and didn't have a fabric wrapping around it like this Studio cord has. Still, I loved that model G3 since it was the first computer I ever bought brand new. I remember unboxing it and marveling at how easy it was to pop down the side panel.
@CovertIndian
@CovertIndian 2 жыл бұрын
My videos often involve playing 6 videos on timeline simultaneously (for reference, the video on my homepage) Is M1 Max powerful enough to playback such timelines without frame drops? THANKS in advance
@minecraftchest1
@minecraftchest1 2 жыл бұрын
Install ahasi linux on the MAC.
@Brain_pocketer
@Brain_pocketer 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love seeing both Asahi, and the Pi GPU project. I don't care when either one of the videos comes out, I just wanna see them both.
@nullmind
@nullmind 2 жыл бұрын
Some people reported better performance in some applications on asahi linux compared to the mac os
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
It'll be interesting to see!
@gmt1
@gmt1 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia where our electricity is absurdly expensive, power efficiency still doesn't mean a lot. While the Mac Studio is amazing, it still costs $3100 AUD. For that price I could buy a 5800X+3080 system, which wouldn't be as limited in regards to OS and gaming. I just can't justify buying e-waste that can't be upgraded or fixed myself, since the nearest Apple store is literally hundreds of kilometers away.
@minerzcollective6755
@minerzcollective6755 2 жыл бұрын
Love it! Keep it up! You deserve this success 👍👍
@davidqixander3843
@davidqixander3843 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison Jeff. My Mac Studio M1 Max consumes 3W in sleep mode and wakes every 60 sec and consumes 9W and then goes back to sleep. Curious if anyone is seeing the same. How could Apple have certified this for Energy Star?
@lightfoot256
@lightfoot256 2 жыл бұрын
Those wattage results are insane; makes me wonder what M1 can do at 200W :D
@lightfoot256
@lightfoot256 2 жыл бұрын
At £0.40/Kwh if you run your PC/Studio at 100% -- the cost of the electric (£11/month for the mac, £44/month for the pc) would pay for the Mac studio at 5 years... that's the insane difference and the insanity of current electricity prices :D Eager to see what the Ultra usage is. Also can the infinity fabric run over thunderbolt? That would be awesome being able to daisy chain them into a super computer...
@aravindpallippara1577
@aravindpallippara1577 2 жыл бұрын
Very poorly compared to intel 12th gen - amd 5000 tends to scale ok enough with power to something like 150W for high core count chips (read 16 performance cores), 12900k(8 performance, 8 efficiency) when given the whole 200W outperforms the amd 16 core 5950x Apple m1 is exceedingly efficient at the power draw it's designed around, going above that does it little benefit
@aravindpallippara1577
@aravindpallippara1577 2 жыл бұрын
@@lightfoot256 ultra fusion is a low latency interconnect - the distance between the cores matters at that clock speed (in nanometers) - connecting them over a cable would be... Very interesting lol It's just a fancy name for chiplet based design. Amd ryzen cpus are chiplet designs, 5800x has one chiplet with 8 cores, 5950x has 2 chiplets with 16 cores bonded together with (definitely without the the trademarked Ultra fusion tag) interconnects - intel still goes for monolithic design predominantly (whole cpu fabricated from a single wafer piece) as does amd for their laptop cpus (which has gpu compute units). The major interesting aspect is the unified memory design with a decent strong gpu (amd has good combined cpu gpu chips, using one right now)- it's still less performant than a dedicated graphics card, but 128gb of vram can be real handy
@BrandLmedia
@BrandLmedia 2 жыл бұрын
GREAT VID BRO!
@venjsystems
@venjsystems 2 жыл бұрын
+1 vote Asahi test on M1 mini
@nike5428
@nike5428 2 жыл бұрын
Good video 👍Jeff
@denvera1g1
@denvera1g1 2 жыл бұрын
I am actually surprized at the performance smilarities between the 5600X and the M1 Max, i was expecting it to be more like a 5900X I cant wait to see the efficiency PCs will be able to bring us when they get on the same node that Apple is currently using. The "65w" versions of the X processors arent all that much slower than the "100w" X processors, but they do use less power for similar performance. The 50% performance per watt increase from going to TSMC 7nm to TSMC 5nm would be interesting, and hey, we'll finally be able to compare ARM and X86/AMD64 Apples to Apples(pun intended). I was actually pretty dissapointed with my personal M1 Mac Mini when compared to my work's Lenovo L15 with 4750u. Well, at least when i put it to work at the main use case i bought it for(transcoding MPEG2 videos to H265 using the CPU only(GPU transcodes make the files larger, or lower quality, or both). In the tests i measured both machines from the wall, transcoding the same episode of my mom's favorite show(days of our lives) They were both about the same performance, with the Lenovo taking 1 hour 4 minutes, and the Mac Mini taking 1 hour 9 minutes, which i've seem more variation run to run on the same machine, so they're identical in my book. What dissapointed me was the power numbers. Now, remember, the Apple M1 is using a highly efficient design with all the parts really close together to reduce the energy neede to move data around. The architecture is supposedly more efficient than X86. and its on a "50% more efficient" node. AND it was just a desktop, there was no screen or keyboard and trackpad to power, even the fans were barely audible because the cooling solution can easily handle 45w, compared to the laptop that sounded like a jet engine. Despite all the advantrages, the freaking laptop was more efficient. I couldnt believe it so i re-ran the tests again the next day after asking to take the laptop home(instead of just one test over my lunch) But no, the same power meter measuring both devices showed that the Mac Mini on average used ~33Wh from the wall for each transcode, while the laptop only used ~28Wh. I need to try it again soon, maybe with TDARR to get a larger automated sample size. And before you ask, yes, this was after FFMPEG and Handbrake released M1 native versions. What i've found is that my 3950x is best for transcoding, because i can clock it to 2.8Ghz while i'm not using it, and with 3 transcodes running at the same time, the whole system uses only about 70w more than idle, but is equivelant to about 5-6x faster than the Mac Mini (where 5 Mac Minis would use almost double the power)
@Melechtna
@Melechtna 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know I needed that laugh. I can now NOT unsee deep thought.
@SolarLantern424
@SolarLantern424 Жыл бұрын
...but what was the power consumption of the mac mini under load and idle? Shame the mac mini can't do the special pro-res processing, that sounds great! :)
@ivandubinsky1857
@ivandubinsky1857 2 жыл бұрын
I can see the Mac Studio being a real dust trap, especially where I live. To access the fans for cleaning, you pretty much have to completely disassemble the unit, which is not for the faint of heart. Other than that, it appears to be a well designed and thought out unit.
@tsalVlog
@tsalVlog 2 жыл бұрын
I'm interested in the GPU testing, but I am far more interested in linux performance for this.. we used to use a trashcan as a linux intranet build and delivery server and it was pretty stout. I'm wondering if I can get comparable (or better) performance out of this for half the price.
@AaezI
@AaezI 2 жыл бұрын
The rtx 3080 in my PC pulls more power at idle than the Mac studio at full CPU load....
@Wordsnwood
@Wordsnwood 2 жыл бұрын
Why did you pay for the built in 4TB when you have (I think) 2 different NAS's in your rack?? I realize that SSDs are faster but it's a huge price premium. I am considering a base studio/1TB model and just putting a local thunderbolt or USB-C drive for my local video editing.
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
I've decided over the years that editing everything on one local volume is worth the one-time price Apple charges. I have everything local backed up to a NAS over a 2.5G network. Someday if I can upgrade everything to 10G, and I can get a NAS that can transfer at 500 MB/sec all day (the current NASes I'm using don't have the horsepower), I could edit over the network more easily. As it is, running local is just easier. I could do an external Thunderbolt volume, but those are similarly expensive, and would add more equipment in my rack.
@Wordsnwood
@Wordsnwood 2 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling I've looked at the OWC ministack, as it has the same footprint. Wondering if more such devices will be marketed now that Apple has released the Studio
@eDoc2020
@eDoc2020 2 жыл бұрын
@@JeffGeerling An NVMe stick and USB adapter are relatively cheap and could be taped onto the top of the computer. I don't know what the practical performance difference would be but I can't imagine it would be too significant for video editing. If you keep all your video files on the external drive it's still all on one local volume.
@whcvip
@whcvip 2 жыл бұрын
Did the computer come included with that towel :D?
@jamezxh
@jamezxh 2 жыл бұрын
I almost laughed my drink out when you said cards reader . Like every computer and laptop from the last 10 years has had a SD reader .
@JeffGeerling
@JeffGeerling 2 жыл бұрын
But Apple made us realize how bleak a world without built-in card readers would be :D
@alerey4363
@alerey4363 2 жыл бұрын
2:32 did they use a standard 8-figure power connector or in true anti-repair apple way put some notch or separation to disable the use of any ubiquitous 8-figure standard power cable?
@eDoc2020
@eDoc2020 2 жыл бұрын
To me it looked like a standard Mickey Mouse cord.
@samseyhanews5447
@samseyhanews5447 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@nthed16
@nthed16 2 жыл бұрын
Linux on a Mac? Color me intrigued!
@LoftwahTheBeatsmiff
@LoftwahTheBeatsmiff 2 жыл бұрын
RAM is the biggest one for me. Developing and working with Kubernetes takes up so many more resources than working with a single container. I know there are plenty of options when it comes to mocking services but sometimes you really need the real thing, especially when working with a real world application. I am very tempted by the 64GB upgrade in one of these Mac Studio though.
@DiscoParachute
@DiscoParachute 2 жыл бұрын
Oh thank god I thought the DDoSers finally got you
@mfaine
@mfaine 2 жыл бұрын
I am interested in the Asahi Linux. Also, can you please run plex server on the M1 Max and let us know how many 4k streams you can get?
@andreasdrewke3329
@andreasdrewke3329 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video! I had this question in mind, how many power supply M1 requires. 6W idle and
@stoutscientist
@stoutscientist 2 жыл бұрын
Pi GPU FTW! (i'll still be here for the other video though)
@ReyArteb
@ReyArteb 2 жыл бұрын
"so until next time, im Jeff Geerling" who were you this time? , and what happens to Jeff next time?
@ajmallatif5275
@ajmallatif5275 2 жыл бұрын
What server rack size do you have? Can you do a video about server racks and which one to choose for home use, I'm looking to build 4 servers 2x2U and 2x4U maybe plus POE 16 port switch and 2u rack mount for the raspberry pi's set up you have too. Thanks in advance
@jlaustill
@jlaustill 2 жыл бұрын
Linux on the M1 I can't wait to see!
@Rocky.G
@Rocky.G 2 жыл бұрын
I want you to make -> PI-GPU video !!
@calvint3419
@calvint3419 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff. Does python and machine learning libraries work on the M1?
@struckdk
@struckdk 2 жыл бұрын
My i7/6900k system with a gtx 1080, idles at 115w. I think I need to change it out soon.
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