How Fast Will The Ford F-150 Lightning Charge?

[@garyclark6747]

Looking forward to seeing your full charging curve. Great job snagging this gem of a snapshot. 💯

[@Chris21709]

Nice review, Tom. So happy you stressed home charging as most convenient and least expensive. I recently saw a review that talked about fast charging, and then suggested local charging at a grocery store, without any mention of charging at home (which is a joy). The gas station model is unhappily stuck in many people's minds.

[@aussie2uGA]

It's a truck and will be used as such by many clients. It may go back to a lot, back with an employee to their apartment, lots of places where "home" is not a home and not near a charger. I agree home charging is great, but thats generally tailored to a consumers passenger vehicle.

[@1519Spring]

Great video, Tom. Enjoy your F-150 Lightning.

[@gasbelle3420]

hey Tom. My Lightning build is scheduled for next week! (the week of 5/16). This is great info and makes me even more stoked to get my hands on it! Great content as always!

[@daddystired]

I feel like your one of the last legit electric car reviewers. Keep it up

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Thank you!

[@adamchoi8136]

Can’t wait for your reviews. Ford is making some exciting vehicles for the masses. Hope they are successful with the pro model as well as their high end vehicles.

[@profwilliams2772]

Great job, Tom!! You'll still have folks thinking they can't do ANYTHING in the Lighting because, you know, EV. But you make it clear, charging will not be a huge deal because you can charge at the worksite, home or job. But you'll have folks screaming about needing to drive 10 hours without stops!!!!

[@fjalics]

I heard Amazon delivery drivers have great urine bottles. 😉

[@jimmyb1356]

I’ll wait and watch how it works out for you

[@Theo-xi1jx]

Not 10 hours without stops, but I don't need to take a 45 minute pee break every 2-3 hours of driving either :) The standard Ford set with the F-150 is a 750 mile range and a 3 minute pee every time I need it. Rarely need to even fill up on trips, and if I do it's an extra 2 minutes. Why not offer the onboard generator option and get the best of both worlds for those that need to log miles? You would be 95% electric and have zero range anxiety and could wait around to charge if you had the time... or you could use gas if you didn't. Isn't the point adoption? Onboard generators or plug-in hybrids are what I could use today, but a pure EV is years in the future even though I love the way they drive.

[@profwilliams2772]

@@Theo-xi1jx 45 mins. every 2-3 hours isn't right. But whatever. And really, an on board generator? I guess an EV isn't for you. Oh, and your pure EV future is years in the future is just plain silly as you comment on a...... Ford F-150 EV!!!! Whatever, enjoy your ICE vehicle.

[@jimmyb1356]

@@profwilliams2772I think he means something similar to what an alternator does in a gas engine.

[@kevinn1158]

Tom, always enjoy watching your videos. I just saw you again on Alex's channel, hey congrats on the sponsor. I hope they do well by sponsoring you!

[@timgurr1876]

Great video, Tom. For those who really need a truck for work, I think the F150 Lightning will be a great success. The big advantage is being able to pull power from the truck at a work site, which may be beneficial for a lot of small contractors. As you said, most people are not driving 300 miles in one day. The biggest concern will be how the mileage will drop when towing, so looking forward to further videos from you. Thanks.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Tom, shaving 15 mins off the charging curve at 80-90% is going to be extremely difficult for Ford engineers. That’s a very aggressive goal. I would be pleased with 85% in 45-50 mins. Waiting to charge beyond 85% takes too long unless there’s no other way to reach destination.

[@adambecherer3804]

Great video Tom - Very informative. Enjoyed your podcast with the gang this morning as well.

[@ebernier797]

Your charging reviews (and EVSE reviews) are fantastic. I learn a great deal every video!

[@RobStevens64]

I think Kyle pestered them into the charge curve info, too. 😂 Seeing how the charging slowed then sped back up a bit suggests some heat management going on. Might not be a good test. Looking forward to seeing a full session! Good job, Tom!

[@arayan83079]

I’m on the list for the lightning. How do I find out when my truck is coming?

[@Pab-B]

Superb work sir!

[@cesartrujillo4190]

No need to stay longer than an hour unless towing. Got it. Enjoy your new vehicle. Good luck. Safe driving.

[@dumpthepump6792]

So, when willTom have his F150? He said last week it was soon. Can’t wait for his review and the Fords charging ability.

[@GriddlezGG]

So you had a early build/blend date for your truck? The dealer is telling you it should show up in a few weeks? Excellent news! I'm a 4/22 blend date my self.. just waiting on that sweet, sweet shipment! Looking forward to the content when you receive it.

[@fullyelectric]

Tom, awesome! thank you Sr. Can’t wait to get my F150L as well .. I do think from 95-100% the charging rate will never be below AC .. so 95 to 100% may be around 15-20kw speeds .. even my Mach E holds 12-15kW on DC from 95-100% on old software .. the F150 should be same or better I hope.

[@mayanaztec6440]

As crazy as it sounds, I might buy one of these and live in it.

[@challengersrt5397]

A lot of people already do that

[@mrkevin6354]

Another issue: I've noticed at my local Walmart some charging stations for EVs. However, they are located at a far location in the parking lot. I have a disability and this set-up is extremely inconvenient for those disabled. The distance seems like the grand canyon.

[@JamesWilliams-cc1ow]

So towing a 5,000 pound trailer or boat on a 1,500 mile tow and assuming you can get 150 miles range towing (unlikely since you will not be getting 100% charges) you will spend over 11 hours charging. A gasoline F150 will go easily over 300 miles between fueling while towing the same trailer and can be refueled (100%) in 5 minutes for a total time of 25 minutes.

[@michaelgap1]

Hi Tom, love your Videos, but don't like seeing you mix up State of Charge (SOC) with State of Energy (SOE). Tesla is the only OEM that actually shows a State of Energy. That means 20% really means 20% remaining Energy. All other OEMs don't convert the SOC to a SOE when showing a percentage to the customer. (They do it when calculating remaining range). In other words. The 5th SOC point on some cars contains 0.6 kWh and the 90th SOC point contains 0.9 kWh. In this video this was only a slight problem with your Charging Losses Calculation, but on other Videos (and range Tests) this is a real problem. I would love it if you also measured and told us on every EV you test if it shows SOC or SOE. Thanks Tom, great work! 🙏

[@michaelgap1]

In case anybody is wondering: A electron discharged at a higher voltage (higher SOC) has more energy and can do more work than an electron discharged at a low Voltage/SOC

[@MarkGoshorn]

No "Tom Climbing out of the frunk" intro., not gonna watch the video 😆😆😆

[@alexnutcasio936]

Theoretical? Tom gives us the real beef!!! Gotta love the Ford transparency too.

[@ryandoyle4344]

Excited for Real World Test!! Good start, but more Data needed; HYPOTHETICAL CURVE of your INTERPRETATION of FORD'S THEORETICAL CHARGING CURVE (quotes from video)

[@dcbel]

Really interesting video, Tom. It will be nice to see more content about the charging of the Ford F150 once you receive your own truck! Thank you for sharing!🔌⚡🚘

[@randalfriesen4515]

Also it would be great if trailer manufacturers had batteries on board and made the wheels have drive and re gen as well to lighten the load. I bet someone will do it in the not to distant future.

[@TheVirtualTim]

Hi Tom. The Mach-E charging curve was revised by the 21P22 software update made available to owners last December. The new charging curve on the Mach-E no longer drops to 12kW at 80%. It now drops to around 45kW and gradually decreases through around 95% -- at which point it charges at a rate roughly equivalent to a Level 2 AC charger. The overall charging curve is better.

[@M27-f4f]

I think you are giving them an excuse when you say Ford can’t really control the public/private charging setup. They should have built their own charging infrastructure, like Tesla, and they would have had complete control over the setup. Smart forward thinking manufacturers are going to need their own charging infrastructure to service customers before long lineups at the generic/public charging stations start to force people back to using ice vehicles. Charging on a road trip already adds considerable time never mind waiting for a charger to open up.

[@robert5008]

Tom it looks like Ford "Killed It". Personally I see ultra high stated charging power as a "Bait and Switch". A perfect example is the Ioniq 5. A charge rate so temperamental you hardly get the rated peak and if you get it then it only last for a minute. Fords lower power but flat across the board to 80% is the way to go IMO. Who cares if a battery pack can go 200+ kW if I only really get 140 kW for 90% of the charge. A slow and steady horse wins the race. Thanks for posting Tom

[@berthogendoorn2133]

Great info Tom, always love your charging info, how about getting a warm weather Ionic 5 AWD Long range session, would really love to see that along with the actual range test (again warmer weather)!

[@techmap4191]

Very very important information thank you Tom. Did you speak to anybody at Ford about whether or not they are actually actively trying to get this accomplished?? Meaning 0 to 90% under 45 minutes?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

No because while I was talking to them I hadn't analyzed it yet. They did say they would be constantly working to improve it, though. And I know they watch my videos, so now they know.

[@austinpowers1999]

I just saw another video and it takes 10-12 hours to fully charge from around 25%.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

@@austinpowers1999 it can take longer if you don't have the proper charging equipment. But it you do, you can charge it in about 6-7 hours from dead empty. But most people don't realize they won't be charging from empty at home often. Usually it will be fully charged in 2-3 hours if you plug in at night.

[@ranig2848]

Great video. Most people will be ok with waiting 20min for 5-90%. That means about 100kwh in 20 minutes, so 300kw charging average. Basically, to make this viable, trucks need to be able to charge at 300-350kw, at least for the 10-80%. That would require a lot of work from Ford as they are just getting started with EVs and are likely risk averse given GMs Bolt fiasco. I do hope someone else would be able to do it or at least do 250kw. Be it Rivian, Tesla, Hyundai (EV Santa Cruz) or VW. Really looking forward to the day where EV long distance towing is viable and fun. Did many trips with Tesla 3 and X and never had issues with charging times, but towing with X (which was limited to 150kw) was not fun. Too many stop and took too long to charge. Hope better EV towing is going to happen. The sooner the better.

[@onedankind8168]

Most people won't even use the battery each day and wake up with their entire days needs. This is the biggest misconception with EVs, the "need" to charge. Other than towing nobody really drives that far each day other than rare cases.

[@ranig2848]

@@onedankind8168 completely agree but according to Ford 70% of F150 owners tow a trailer. Not sure how much this applies to F150 Lightning buyers but 70% is a huge number.

[@onedankind8168]

@@ranig2848 there’s got to be an error with that number. Because f150!is insanely popular. 70% is extremely high numbers for what’s actually a really rare thing.

[@kenmcclow8963]

@@onedankind8168 A lot of peoples towing is not too far. I have a 16 foot boat that I take to nearby lakes that are 15-20 miles away. I see people at work towing campers and usually not going more than 100 miles to a campground where there is often a 30 amp plug for the camper. You could plug the camper into the truck and plug the truck into that 30 amp plug and both would likely be fully charged overnight. People doing interstate towing is probably more rare even though everyone on the internet is now fixated on towing a loaded horse trailer coast to coast without stopping to charge or pee. I do plan on taking my little camping trailer all over the country, but I will be retired and not in a big hurry and I have loaded my trailer up with a lot of solar and batteries to where it may be able to charge the truck a little bit if I am boondocking

[@RedBatteryHead]

You got pretty decent tariffs on DC. Your right on the home charging. 95% I do that at home too. Even on my PV. Just have it trickle charge full.

[@DominicZaidan]

That camera angle 🤣, thanks for a great video!

[@robertrobertson5120]

Splendid explanation Tom. Works great for the 150kw chargers, what about something of less volumes. How long then? Keep up the great work! 👍

[@evquietcornerct3210]

great video. i agree with your assessment of desired charging times. my Kia EV6 has gone from 4-5% to 90% in under 30 minutes a few times on a 350KW EA station. that's delivering 70kWh into the roughly 77kWh pack. if ford can get that 131KWH pack from low single digits to 90% in 45 mins, it would be beautiful. i just hope that software can get the existing pack technology there, as i have a platinum truck coming on my wave 2 order. but unfortunately i doubt it. i think it will have to wait until the next generation truck in 2025-2026 and the leap to 800volt technology......

[@dumpthepump6792]

If Bjorn’s experience with Kia Soul EV packs is any indication, I’d watch that EV6 pack very carefully. Lots of degradation in Souls over 6 years to point where battery will soon be worthless. DC fast charging , as nice and convenient as it is, is very hard on any battery pack.

[@nc3826]

Tom thx for giving us a short time geeky fix. To hold us over until you get to do a full charging curve plotting test of it. But it goes to show how much of an advantage Ford would have had, if they made it Battery Swappable. Or if they would have at least offered a true REx (Range Extender) option (since Ford patented their own plugin generator version). And since even Ram/Stellantis stated it will offer its own REx option.

[@stevenhugley4025]

Now I just need them to make the ER Pro available for non fleet customers so I can afford one. I live in rural Mississippi and would love an electric truck, but I can’t afford 72k but I also can’t use the SR. Maybe next year.

[@Miata822]

That's not bad at all! The 60-80% section is only slightly behind the Lucid's rate. Of course the vehicles, batteries, and range for each percent of charge is different, but it does make sense and is better than that stair-step charging curve. The most difficult part of transitioning long distance ICE driving to EV will be getting will be getting people to plan their trip to arrive at charging stations with a low enough charge to get the fastest charging.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Tom, excellent as always. During your next F150 charging test, please give us the time to get 100; 200; and 300 miles range at EA.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Thanks, John. I was waiting until I actually charge mine from 0-100% to do that. Since this is still an estimate, I didn't want to include it. I'll get my truck in a couple of weeks, so I'll be able to do that very soon.

[@danemisso2478]

I would love to see you do a 0% to 100% charge test with the Hummer EV (and other EV trucks as well). I know that they are still super hard to get ahold of to test/review, but would like to see your perspective on it

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I've asked GMC for access to do so, but they haven't responded yet.

[@danemisso2478]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney It sucks that GMC/GM haven’t responded yet. I have a interesting (to me) test idea that is based off of what you already do. It is a 0% to 100% charge test on a higher battery capacity EV (like 100+ kWh), but charge it at a DCFC that is way under its max capacity, like a 50 kW DCFC, and see if the station can continuously provide its max charge amount of electricity for an extended period of time.

[@isaiahsreviews]

15min for 90% is a sweet spot if battery is gonna really win people over

[@jasondesjarlais5507]

Great review! Majority of my charging will be at home. Only longer distance will be with my camping trailer....more worried about charging stations being able to accommodate the truck and trailer lol

[@joshuag6226]

Can you do a video about the cost of a regular gas f-150 to a f-150 lighting Cost such as gas, oil changes, and other maintenance

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes, I will when I get my Lightning. Look for that in about a month

[@kentma7516]

can you show if F-150 lightning can connect to your generator hook-up in your home? therefore, no need for Sunrun expensive install

[@joshuasmith7369]

Tom, I live 150 miles from San Antonio, Texas. I could have helped some how. I have underwater videography training, above water videography isn't much different. Keep an eye on your F150 Lightning and make sure Kyle asks for permission before running tests with your truck.

[@riverakers]

I have a question. So if you buy this vehicle and you want to charge at home you will have to add the cost of a charging adapter?

[@NO_OPEC_NO_PROBLEM]

Tom- Just thinking it’s possible that Ford is still “tweaking” the charge curve to get the claimed/marketed charge rates. Maybe that’s why they’re reluctant to do a 0-100 charging session. It’s genuinely existed for the F150L.

[@KillYou360]

Hey man great job. Love the detail. I'd just like to inform you on the mach e charging update and how it lines up with Ford told you. I have got 20kw+ on 90% and above. Ford has greatly increased the charge rate on the mach e past 80% compared to when you reviewed it

[@edkruzel]

You didn't mention what your cost was at the charge station? I believe at our current technology, towing and long distance will be a nightmare.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

At home (or at the work office) it will cost $20 to completely refill the battery. When charging on the road the price will vary from network to network. It would cost me $45 to full recharge from 0 to 100% here in NJ on an Electrify America fast charger.

[@mrkevin6354]

How about the parasitic current draw. If I don't drive much and the truck sits for a few days---will the battery be drained? OR how much drain will happen. Does the F150 Lighting or any EV for that matter--when you turn the key off---that means the vehicle is fully off including any computer / microporcessor, sensor within the electrics of the vehicle?

[@greenne]

Tom great video. It obvious Ford learned with the Mach E and improved upon what they know. I agree 100%...if Ford can just nudge that 1st "cliff" from 80% to say 90%(i.e. hold the 120kw speed to 90%) i think that would accomplish a lot. Maybe Ford will do that over OTA. I know they are conservative. Maybe if we get 12-18mths in and Ford sees consumers are not frying the battery they will open up charging more.

[@TechnicalLee]

I'd rather see an additional 50 kW down low rather than above 80%. 10-80% is what matters most for road trip charging. If you want to spend the least amount of time charging, you only charge enough to get to the next charger with 10% left because the battery takes in power the fastest when it's the emptiest. The only time you'd go above 80% is if there was a really long distance to the next DC charger or you had time to kill.

[@CraigCollins]

Can you review the EMPORIA ENERGY Smart Level 2 EV Charger

[@randalfriesen4515]

I also use the 80 to 85% rule to charge my phone. I have a iphone 6 and it still has 86 % battery health. Most people just plug in before bed and need a new phone every 3 or so years cause the battery gets fully charged every night.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

The Lightning features 90 AMP home charging and the EV KZbin channels need to start showing more about home charging. Especially with Solar.

[@pstoneking3418]

Yes I'd love to see some charging charts on solar as that is how I'll be mostly charging my lightning when I receive it. Pro home charger is an 80 amp charger.

[@bernesto2468]

Having worked on Li-Ion Charging chips in the past, I do have to say the Mach-E curve presented is a bit of a head scratcher. Depending on the design of the DC Faster Charging hardware, if other vehicles plug in it can influence (reduce) the available power and cause a step down even with low state of charge. The F150 on the other hand makes sense.

[@TechnicalLee]

Yes the Mach-E curve is definitely a head scratcher. I'm not sure why they can't maintain at least a 1C rate all the way to 80%, the battery should be fine with that. The weird 2 minute peak is also hard to understand. Something about overloading a connection for a short time? But what's the point if you only do it for 2 minutes? I would really like to see a "normal" charging curve on the Mach-E, I hate seeing less than 100 kW while waiting, that's sort of a key psychological number for fast vs. slow.

[@mikefarino4368]

@@TechnicalLee The Mach E in many reviews has a horrendous charging rate, it was fords 1st real attempt at a mass market EV rather than a compliance vehicle so it seems like they played it safe to make sure things dont break unexpectedly

[@KempThomas70]

Do you think that change could be done by a softwere update?

[@barryw9473]

Might you be able to find out what is the amp bottleneck? Thanks for the information!

[@michaelstewart3315]

Did you have the towing package with the extra cooling tube?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes

[@omarsaeed6824]

Great review keep it up

[@markfitzpatrick6692]

Tom FYI electrify america is not the only network with plug and charge. Greenlots now called shell recharge has plug and charge.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Not on the whole network

[@JEP-Tech]

Awesome to see the numbers. Thanks for the videos Tom. Yeah definitely would not want to take an electric truck on a long road trip especially if you have to haul a heavy or bulky trailer that will cut the range in half. Having to recharge for 40+ minutes every 120 miles is not fun. But if you are using this as a work truck where you can charge at home or onsite or in your shop, then the Ford Lightning has enough features to make it compelling as a commercial vehicle at the $40-60,000 price point.

[@TechnicalLee]

Hydrogen has more promise for road trip trucking than electric since it only takes 5-10 minutes to refuel. Someday. Trailer hauling in the F150 is really only going to be practical for local trips (e.g. taking the boat to the nearby lake on the weekend).

[@JEP-Tech]

@@TechnicalLee Although hydrogen fuel cells can be reliable and offer the same performance advantages of BEVs, I think hydrogen fuel cells are a bad idea unless there is some major breakthrough that brings the cost of producing hydrogen down. As of now, hydrogen is way too costly (over $15/gallon) and since the cheapest way to produce it involves fossil fuels it's not even better from an environmental standpoint than just burning gasoline. If you have a natural gas truck it's at least clean burning (only C02 and water) which is better environmentally than hydrogen and certainly better for your lungs than diesel or gasoline and only marginally more costly to run and maintain. Not to mention compressed natural gas is much safer than compressed hydrogen. I've also been looking into ammonia, it's also clean burning. If most personal cars are EV and the majority of our electricity is produced via nuclear power or renewables, the amount of CO2 produced by long haul commercial vehicles can readily be captured and offset by the natural growth of plants. And let's be real, average Americans aren't going to pay substantially more for vehicles that run on renewables if the cost to fill them up is significantly more time consuming or expensive than regular gas and diesel.

[@Paul-cj1wb]

I believe that many convenience stores which currently offer gas stations will start building pull through EV charging stalls soon. For example, Circle K, an international convenience store chain, and a major EV charging provider in Norway, have new pull-through stalls there. And of course, they have many stores in the US (and I believe Canada) where trucking is king. I've been to Arizona several times, and they have Circle K's all over the place there, and I know NJ has them to a lesser degree. The Wawa's and Quickcheks convenience store chains of the northeast are already installing Tesla super chargers at some locations, and will likely be installing pull through CCS options on the ones they are building going forward as more EV trucks are delivered to customers. Its a no-brainer decision for them (despite the fossil fuel objections and pushback), as stopping for charging will make their bread and butter -- the convenience store side -- more profitable. I know EV trucks are not ready for prime time hauling/towing yet, but in a few short years? With extended range, and cheaper additional LFP modules, it'll be here faster than most realize. Those that resist the push, or only install a few stations for publicity sake, will be left behind. Nokia anyone? It's the law of the jungle: evolve and flourish or stay put and be crushed or swallowed.

[@baronherford5324]

Excuse my ignorance, 20% charge for almost $10.00 ! Would that be $50.00 for a full fill? Wow, I assumed it would be much cheaper than that.

[@rogerjeck9281]

Hey Tom, love your charging talk !! I'm getting a pro in June and curious how/if the max tow option could change the charging curves? I understand from watching Kyles review that max tow gets an additional chiller loop. He also said additional ac compressor, but am guessing he miss-spoke? I would imagine it is simply larger capacity system to accommodate the additional chiller? Thanks for all the efforts and great honest info ~ Roger

[@AndrewBergN]

I thought you noted you had standard range curve data too. Are you able to post a preview chart for that one as well?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I did say that. Ford showed me the curves for both batteries quickly and then said they would send me the data, but once the first drive was over I only received the extended range battery data. I'll follow up with the info on standard range as soon as I get it.

[@mrdsn189]

Thank you, Tom!

[@yankabilly1963]

Tom & Kyle need to watch the electric Viking out of Australia he uses information that you 2 did on the Lightning

[@ldmcnutt]

Can you review the “EMPORIA ENERGY Smart Level 2 EV Charger”? It is the cheapest 60 amp charger you can find at $399 on Amazon. I got one and I love it. Pulls 48 amps with no fuss. Usually shows 11.2 kw when in operation. I would love to see what your thoughts are on it.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

That's coming up soon

[@treyc1385]

Hey Tom, great informative video as usual. At the end of the video you mentioned that you should be getting your truck in two to three weeks. Ford has thousands of vehicles waiting to be shipped, but we see no movement. What's the real scoop on when these vehicles will be shipped ? I'm like a kid in a candy store.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I wish I knew. The only thing I can tell you is that Ford is telling us that there is no delay

[@hommedammn7132]

What’s the cost of a full DC fast charge?

[@tommays56]

So much for highway trips on the Standard Range

[@billjohnson3344]

Not to mention there is no heat pump, so expect 30% range loss in cold climates also (20% if you choose to freeze yourself). That's the one big miss on this EV. Ford seemed to bend over backwards to accurately calculate your range (scales, trailer aero software calcs, etc), but they missed the mark on actually engineering long range. That is being a bit overlooked - everyone blinded by all the wonderful positives of the vehicle.

[@stevemumbling7720]

So, assuming 100% charger efficiency it will be drawing 1,363A at 110v, and 680A at 220v out of your home wiring when charging at 150kW. That's the equivalent of running 75 electric kettles or 1500 100W light bulbs. That doesn't sound all that cheap, and that's an awful lot of current to be running through wiring in a domestic house on a regular basis. I wonder how long it will be before we're getting home charger/wiring fires. Sooner you than me. I'll be sticking with my V8. Something else to consider is when these vehicles become more popular and there's one in every other garage, all charging overnight, the county electrical distribution system will have to be seriously upgraded to handle the current, as will the local power station. The only way this could work is to have staggered charging, this means it might not be your turn to charge when you get home. You'll have to wait for your 'charging slot'. Not a problem if you're in for the evening, but useless if you need to go out somewhere. Come to think of it, this will also mean the local county/shire power company will have to have remote control of your home charger in order to balance the load correctly. You may not be able to charge your vehicle for hours after returning home.

[@thomasboland9015]

Hi Tom, fellow engineer here. Love your channel. What do you think, will you be able to get your hands onto a standard range f150 lightning for a state of charge curve?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I don't know. I've asked Ford for one, I need to wait until they accommodate.

[@ericroe]

Tom, do you happen to know if the 'BlueOval" network allows for EA Pass+ rates if you are a member? I really like that the Lightning has Plug and Charge, but if I'm paying the higher rate, I'll just tap my phone to charge.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes it does. They fixed the glitch.

[@ericroe]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney have you been able to get your Lightning to charge using Plug and Charge at the EA Pass+ rate? My free 250 kWh ended and now it charges me the full rate. I contacted EA and they said the only way to use the Pass+ rate is to activate on the app or turn off Plug and Charge and tap the phone.

[@Necrotron]

Great job Tom, I think the charging is going to be the Achilles here. So it's good to have an idea how to maximize it

[@davidws5439]

Tom. What about the "tool box " generator that fits in the back of the truck bed? When are they coming out for long hauls.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

They're not talking about that yet

[@evquietcornerct3210]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney and you cannot drive and charge at the same time, correct ?

[@JackRussell021]

It would be interesting to see the charging curves for both a 150kW charger vs a 350kW charger.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

They will be nearly identical. The 150 kW station may take 5 minutes more, but that's all.

[@DaroffApFire]

The fact that it doesn't have level 3 charging is the only reason I'm not trading in my Tesla and getting one. I drive from Arizona up to Utah and over to California for work every week, and not having fast charging just isn't feasible for these trips. It's a shame.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

I'm not sure what you mean by "it doesn't have level 3 charging". There actually isn't anything that's officially called level 3 charging yet. People call DC fast charging or Supercharging, level 3, but that's not correct. The Lightning does DC fast charge - and it does so very well, better than most EVs in fact.

[@DaroffApFire]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney V3 is what I technically meant, but I said level three because most people understand what that means. And almost an hour per charging session just isn't fast enough for longer trips is all I was saying. Every few hours stopping for almost a full hour just isn't feasible and a huge waste of time.

[@I_Love_Quokkas]

@@DaroffApFire v3 is just the latest Tesla version of fast charging. Reason this truck takes so long to charge, as I understand it, is it had a large battery and can’t take full advantage of the fastest speeds offered by CCS chargers which are equivalent to Tesla v3. The next gen in a few years will as will the upcoming Silverado.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

@@DaroffApFire In 30 minutes of charging, if you plug in at zero, the Lightning can add back 90 kWh. I did a full V3 Supercharger test of a 2022 Tesla Model S Plaid a couple of months ago (The video is on this channel) and after 30 minutes of charging, the vehicle added back 75 kWh. So which one charges faster? Tesla vehicles only hold the 250 kW charge rate for like 8 minutes. The advantage the Model S has is that it's more efficient, being a sleek sedan, and the Lightning is a big boxy truck so it can't drive as far on the same amount of energy, but the Lightning actually charges faster in 30 minutes. Bet you didn't know that.

[@DaroffApFire]

@@I_Love_Quokkas My Tesla with the Long Range Plus S system (can go further than the Lightning), charges from 5% to 90 in about 20 minutes. Which is honestly the reason I got it. The range is phenomenal, and for my trips the charging speed just can't be beat.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Hey Tom, many of us would love to see your new Ford Lightning charge your Tesla model 3. I assume you only need the Tesla mobile connector.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Oh, you will!

[@michaelportell]

I am shocked the e-tron charging curve still kicks this bigger pack. Debating on if this can really replace my diesel truck.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

How often will you need to charge in public?

[@michaelportell]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney DC, usually two or three times a week, problem I have is destinations I travel to don't have DC chargers. The truck helps so any long trips I jump in it.

[@JohnnyLightningV10]

Glad I got the new Tesla Cybertruck on ordered. New range came out almost double of this now.

[@yankabilly1963]

Okay so on the 150kw charging station it took 30 minutes so if you pull into a 250kw-350kw charger will the timing drop or is the 150kw the max ?

[@PhilT993]

It is the vehicle that limits the charging speed. You could plug it into a 750kW station, if one existed , and it would not be any faster.

[@ClubMayview]

They mapped out... just like they supplied mpg numbers...

[@Dat_Sun]

Fast and faster ways to dispose of "clean energy". Slow down, 90hp is plenty.

[@adoublee9022]

Please disclose the data provided by Ford. Do you believe EA 150kW units are capable of serving 160kW indicated on your theoretical chart? It seems nothing in your testing to date would indicate if max tow option raises curve at any SOCs or not. You tested with a vehicle that had it but didnt start charging until 60% SOC which did perform better than the theoretical curve you created. Would you agree?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes, the reason it did initially did better was because I plugged in at 60%. Kyle experienced the same thing

[@ericobut]

Looks like those charge time drops are why you weren't able to access charging as part of your press access Also, the "most of the time at home" isn't the problem EVs need to sort. It's the occasional road trip where with ICE everyone knows they'll always have a gas station

[@wildsaddle1668]

100 years from now people are going to be Shocked [pun intended] on how long it took to charge EVs in 2022. IMO.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

10 years for now...

[@MrUpier]

how long before the batteries are toast and you have a paper weight ?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Probably after roughly 250,000 to 300,000 miles

[@MrUpier]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney not everyone drives 49k miles per year

[@Xander-dx6mw]

Is it fair to assume that by adding 41kWh of energy, you added about 86 miles of range for $10.60? With gas prices at $4.20 locally, that would be 34.3 mpge, correct?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes, but the reason the math adds up like that is because of 2 reasons. In Texas, Electrify America isn't allowed to sell electricity by the kWh, so they sell it by time. The charging rate was relatively slow since we plugged in at a high SOC. If I plugged in at a low SOC, that $10.60 would have gotten me about 65 kWh, which is about 66% more energy for the same $$.

[@Xander-dx6mw]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney if I remember correctly, EA does that in about 30 States (charge by the minute vs kWh). It is the same here in NC, and EA has very few level 2/3 chargers in the western part of the State, so EV owners get hosed with slow speed charging at high rates.

[@Xander-dx6mw]

@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Tom, I watched your inside EV's video on the lightning, and wanted to provide additional clarity. It looked like the last 10% (from 80% to 90%) took 10 minutes, so it cost you approximately $3.20, and added roughly 30 miles of range. The first 13 minutes cost you about about $4.20, but added 50 miles of range, which is pretty impressive. Theoretically, a change from 20% to 80% should take only 40 minutes, cost $13 and add 180 miles.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

@@Xander-dx6mw Take another look, it actually took 17 minutes to go from 80% to 90%

[@TheViking34482]

What is the the battery chemistry if it is lithium ion like my 2013 volt that after 24000 miles and 8 years the batteries was done and the dealership said that is normal after 8 years and battery replacement is 15,000 so if they are doing the same in the ford truck that's no good. paying 45.000 for a car the is only good for 8 years

[@TechnicalLee]

Yes it's lithium ion, and it will last longer than your Volt because Ford actually uses battery buffers unlike GM. Lack of buffers contributed to the Bolt fires because of increased stress on the cells. Some people were driving them 100% to almost dead every day which kills the battery quickly. Battery needs to stay between 20-90% SoC for maximum life.

[@ou812invu6]

Practically speaking battery technology is still not there yet. When you're about on the road and need to pull into a station to charge you're not going to want to wait 40+ minutes to "fill up", and this is even getting you filled up.

[@richmar6575]

Great video! However, Out of Spec Reviews was also shown the charging curve at the media event.

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

Yes, Kyle was the only other person that Ford shared it with - but he saw it that day after I did so technically...

[@richmar6575]

@State Of Charge Fair enough. Either way, thanks for the great video! We need more of the hard data like this and less of the "general overview" videos that we've all seen a billion times.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

7:52 - that power lost due to inefficiency, if it was even across the full 0-100% charge cycle, would be enough power lost during charging for my old BMW i3 to drive 50 miles. o.O

[@ultrastoat3298]

Their developers have a lot of magic numbers in their code.

[@TheBlackstarrt]

I honestly just want a small truck like the old Ford rangers that is electric. Doesn't need a lot of coolness. Just a long battery life and get me to where I want to go. :/

[@MrCPPG]

Is this a 400v or 800v architecture?

[@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney]

400v

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Ram if you need a truck, Ford if you want a truck, GMC/Chevy if you use a truck.