How Germany Lost Its Solar Industry to China

[@manimalworks7424]

Let me tell you something you don’t know: I was a graduate student from 1984 to 1987 for M.S degree in Shandong University. The project was making solar panels. We were able to achieve 19% efficiency at that time. So the solar industry didn’t come out of nowhere overnight.

[@BabuB1]

Solar panels started in 1860s on NYC rooftops through the experiments of two man team, one French & one American. Prior to the 1930s the US had commercial solar water heaters, first patented by a man in Baltimore in 1891… No the industry didn’t come out of nowhere overnight lol

[@benyap6033]

@@BabuB1 Very true. The US truly had innovation. TVs, Cars, chips, computers. That gave the US a good life. People look up to the US. But things changed 20 years ago. Suddenly, innovation slowed. Significantly. And things got worse. People's education level is lower. Lifespan is lower. Violence is up. Homelessness is up. Innovation from US companies slowed. People find lesser and lesser things to admire about the US. Like what you're saying, you can only reminisce of the good old times. I am afraid those times will not return. I'm sorry.

[@bertanelson8062]

@@benyap6033 Thank neo-liberal economic policy looking only for profit, not innovation or even production. It farmed out production to cheap labor in China, leaving USA workers with less good paying manufacturing jobs. Now skilled labor is lost, manufacturing plants demolished or mothballed. Truly, the love of money kills.

[@MetaView7]

@@BabuB1 @manimalworks7424 was referring to the Chinese solar industry did not come out of nowhere overnight.

[@MetaView7]

@@bertanelson8062 It all started on the day someone waved a little vial of white powder at the UN meeting. That signaled the decline of integrity and morale that is still ongoing.

[@AZ-hj8ym]

Only China can make solar cheap enough to accelerate installation . It's a win for human.

[@rogerfaint499]

Yes, that was why I installed solar panels 3 months ago. They are now much more affordable.

[@阿威你不能死啊]

@@rogerfaint499如果是欧美掌握这项技术那么意味着成本至少要再贵一半以上，而中国得益于全产业链的相对欧美便宜，因为可以生产出非洲兄弟都能使用的产品，这是人类使用清洁能源的胜利

[@rogerfaint499]

@@阿威你不能死啊 Agreed.

[@whatswhite110]

​​@@阿威你不能死啊果太阳能产业掌握在发达国家手上，那这就是有钱人才用得到的东西了。。正如我现在各种智能设备，扫地机械人，智能电视，智能电灯。如果这些技术都在发达国家手上，发展中国家的普通家庭根本用不起。

[@ranojap5010]

when China want to enter the market the government will support the business to make it into world class domination mentality.

[@fioer7859]

Man, Don’t only listen to those loser companies. Their reports won’t touch the mistakes they have Made during the competitions. They won’t mention anything their opponents did better. Everything wrong is because China took the advantages, because they lack of support from the German government. Pioneer German companies didn’t get enough supports and profit? Ofc they did, but they didn’t use it to develop more affordable and universal products. Luxurious Lab products with a lot of subsidy won’t survive so lang. And thus slowly they got less support and finally lost their market.

[@deshuilv1477]

truth

[@vinniechan]

Scale does matter Then people often forget China status as a developing country means it gets a lot of exemption and often doesn't reciprocate the same market access that developed countries grant its product Its nativity on the west and plenty of.blames to go around

[@lagrangewei]

@@vinniechan do you think US are idiot when they created the WTO that grant those exemption? no they are not idiots, there is a reason why those exemption exist. the west should stop pretending to be victims when they are the one creating the rules. they know exactly why they created the rule like that, because if you don't, globalization won't work, there is no nativity, this is working as intended. so why did US create such a system? to benefit US bankers. the hollowing out of the west is all to suit the interest of the bankers, that's the secret.

[@egal1780]

China continuously supported their Solar industry with subsidies, while Germany Cut It Off. Don't underestimate the much lower prices thanks to extreme subsidies. It's easy to buy your way to the top, If you're willing to create a debt weight loss in the world Markets, by artifically influencing prices.

[@NaumRusomarov]

during the crises, the chinese dumped hundreds of billions into their own solar industry and expanded the local market, while the german state was discussing how to kill its own industry by removing funding and placing barriers on solar pv.

[@sumonechan8514]

Germany, the US and Japan had like 20-30 years headstart when it comes to solar and for decades they were not able to bring the price down. It wasn't until China stepped in we get cheap, affordable solar panels.

[@greendsnow]

Who said that touring around the world and drinking cold coffee in Greece would help?

[@Theheep]

@@greendsnowwhat?

[@quirinosaavedra9249]

​@@greendsnow😊

[@nusaibahibraheem8183]

​@@quirinosaavedra9249 Yap. They wanted to profit of course 😂

[@entertainmentjoke2871]

USA and its allies dogs are capitalist which will suck your wallet dry. They only will come out with better product if current product doesnt generate much money.

[@hyuxion]

Germans were complacent, the Chinese competitors are much more hungry and move much faster. The Chinese does not lack innovation neither, if you look at nature index for scientific output, China and USA are the top two since late 2010s, and are way ahead of everyone else. Competition is good for the world, as China produces more cost effective products for low tech and high tech, this will benefit developing world tremendously. To make the world a greener place, you will need to make the new energy products cheaper.

[@nesseihtgnay9419]

But china doesn't really innovate 😂, they just steal and use American technologies, but only produce them in mass to grab the most attention

[@sermadreda399]

the cause of failuer in leading solar industry is byond the scope of this video and is bigger than just solar industry

[@hyuxion]

@@sermadreda399 May the best man win.

[@雅君墨客-i9z]

@@hyuxion 没那么简单还有不只是第三世界还有欧美等国家普通人民，他们买的起或者更容易获得更多物美价廉工业商品产品和货物东西而不是之前买不起昂贵的西方商品产品，还有他们资本家企业也收益投资有回报还有世界各国尤其是欧美等国家中国帮助他们维持几十年通货膨胀率和物价水平。

[@nhatuphong1579]

Yes you are champion, now go back to your land to make happy

[@MoneyMacro]

Very interesting analysis. Also, thanks for the shoutout at the end!

[@Fredy2006Fedy]

Yeah, there were massive subsidy cuts and planning was stopped across Germany which was Politically motivated. Unfortunately it had massive negative effects as expected thanks to Lobbyism etc. I hope there can be a economic framework to recover it again not only in Germany but in the EU and set up necessary and effective policy again.

[@aberba]

German products have always been too expensive for Africans. It was the same for smart phones. Glad to have China dominating with cheaper alternatives.

[@kronicturbo8327]

Not only Africans southeast Asian and south Americans too

[@javiervll8077]

If Europe 🇪🇺 needs sun 🌞, here in Spain 🇪🇸 we have plenty. We sell it at a good price to every German tourist 🇩🇪 who visits Mallorca this summer 😁😁

[@lizz7805]

Fantastic video, very informative. Went to gobe désert in China and saw so many solar farms, some stretch more than a few miles

[@ajx9747]

Chinese EVs will probably do the same to European EVs

[@martijn3015]

I truly fear so, but I hope not since those chinese EV are trully terrifying as fire hazards.

[@GEMNET442]

What are you even talking about, you make it sound as if there is something called an European ev, all I see are ICE and diesel engine cars

[@aburetik4866]

@@martijn3015 That's why Tesla uses Chinese battery

[@mharley3791]

@@aburetik4866Tbf, Tesla and the US are building giant battery factories in the US. Hope Europe does the same

[@aburetik4866]

​@@mharley3791 Tesla Giga Berlin factory in Europe uses BYD battery. Ford in the US wanted to use the battery technogy from CATL for its EVs, but got banned by American government.

[@greentraveler4114]

America said it losts solar industry to China, now the Germans said same. One simple question Who owned this industry? Who's the owner of this industry? 😂 America or Germany?

[@glizzyap4912]

its simple, the world wants cheap solar panels and china can produce them. This doesnt make german and american solar obsolete however not even remotely. no doubt american and german panels are of much higher quality hence longer to manufacture and so the market for high quality (not cheap panels) panels cant be controlled by china because they simply dont have the quality.

[@user-co7fo]

​@@glizzyap4912the chinese companies bought up the german ones, because they weren't able to be sustainable after the subventions were cut. So the chinese panels are of high quality.

[@tonywong999]

A key point that the film neglects to mention is that China has made a breakthrough in monocrystalline silicon refining technology, and the large-scale commercial application of the FBR process has drastically reduced the cost of silicon (by orders of magnitude), allowing for cheap raw materials for SOLAR.A giant Chinese state-owned enterprise, Dongfang Electric, introduced the traditional Silane Siemens process to produce silicon in 2005, but just after it started production, it encountered the 2008 financial crisis, and after surviving the financial crisis, it encountered the maturity of the FBR process, which is completely incomparable to the cost of FBR, and finally invested tens of billions of dollars in the plant to be completely abandoned, and I believe that a similar plant in Germany will also be I believe that similar plants in Germany will also have the same experience, and the price of electricity in Germany is much higher than in China. I believe similar plants in Germany will have the same experience, and the price of electricity in Germany is much higher than that in China and t he cost of silicon material type of electricity accounts for 30 to 40% of the cost.

[@egal1780]

No, our insane Energy costs are primarily driven by taxes and Other fees for our electric grid, plus an uncompetitive Market for Electricity Providers. I.e. high prices can mostly be Attributed to low competition and Not high costs of producing Energy.

[@NaumRusomarov]

germany's installation of solar panels, and most of europe's as well, collapsed around 2014 when subsidies were withdrawn because "competition", tarifs were introduced for chinese pv cells and new regulations for solar power were created. this was an intentional act of self-harm, it destroyed an entire industry and hampered europe's transition toward a clean and cheap energy for a whole decade. we did all of this to satisfy the convervatives, who actually just wanted to see this industry dead. the same thing happened to the germany offshore wind industry. the subsidies were withdrawn because someone thought that we shouldn't intervene like this in the market (while china's been dumping hundreds of billions in its own wind industry), which collapsed the offshore wind industry before it even got the chance to develop.

[@yumingzhang7747]

Copy is the good excuses for losers. The real reason is you lost your creativity before your true success in industry while China is keeping creative enough to make a good industry and market.

[@gtr5860]

sadly that was a facts.. China is king of copy paste 😂

[@resnica3557]

@@gtr5860 , You must be on the US propaganda department's payroll. Been seeing you trolling everywhere.

[@gtr5860]

@@resnica3557 im not even Westerner lol nice try btw

[@resnica3557]

@@gtr5860 , Even more despicable of you to be trolling on behest of the US while you are not even westerner.

[@clmdcc]

That what happens when one tries to foster an industry on the demand side, without controlling the production side, the production can simply go away.

[@jonseilim4321]

The more competition in the renewable energy market the better, wishing Germany all the best!

[@xPlatiinHD]

We had such great opportunities with solar in my relatively small town in Germany, several companies ( e. g. Würth) were either researching, manufacturing or installing them. Several of my family members worked there and suddenly it went downhill and to China. Its a shame.

[@alexanderrose1556]

I am sorry but that opportunity was ALWAYS an illusion, Germany simply did not have access to neither the mineral ressources, nor the funding to be able to dominate this industry.. GERMANY however had an insanely strong market position when it came to nuclear, making some of the worlds most cost effective nuclear power plants.. which it gave up due to irrational fears to pursue this very expensive hope for solar and wind industry dominance.

[@MrFrage123]

Grüße aus Schwäbisch Hall?😅

[@蔡蔡不是台独应该争取]

hahahaha😂😚😚

[@alexanderrose1556]

@@BrownRedGuard You cant "come" for nuclear energy its litteraly the power of the fucking sun, its fully available to everyone who wants to grasp it, Basic laws of physics, anyone who doubt that should probaly go retake their education.

[@cuginidifrancia94]

Be thankful that your village isn't near a coal mine, otherwise it wouldn't have lasted long.

[@donkeykong516]

I like the Chinese because they make everything affordable

[@ffff4290]

Suntech Power went bankrupt early in 2013, and on the technical route, Suntech uses polysilicon, which is similar to German technology, but now the mainstream Chinese companies are monocrystalline silicon N-type cells, which is also the reason for the improvement of conversion efficiency in these years

[@peterkumaryadavsinghkhan1650]

The profit is 10%. Chinese:done. The profit is 50%. Germany:no

[@tomkelly8827]

As a Canadian who is rooting for the human race and mother earth alike, I must say thanks for US and Germany for getting the ball rolling and China for keeping it going. I have both German and Chinese panels and they are both excellent. The issue here is that to run the grid out to my house, it would cost more for the wires than it does for my large solar array and batteries.

[@lcwin1]

Germany made a decision to focus on the more profitable segment of the industry which is installation which is way more profitable than making solar panels. In Malaysia here i can buy solar panels with inverter at 30 to 40 cents per watt. Professional installar charge $1 per watt...why do u want to manufacture the solar panels with huge capital cost n depreciation within a few years

[@Elementum_Renewables]

Profitable for the installers, a whole manufacturing industry is profitable for the country.

[@deshuilv1477]

Any country can install it, but only China can manufacture it🤣👉🤡

[@wilmeramadoraguilar47]

So germany "learned by doing" while chines "copied" what an arrogant thing to communicate but thst won't make you better

[@randomlifts]

Because Germans and others 1. Wanted cheap stuff. Buy now, don't worry about it breaking in some months. 2. Now forgot what is quality

[@MBS_KSA]

One thing to correct: the Communist party is officially called CPC (Communist Party of China), not CCP (Chinese Communist Party), but all westerners refuse to use CPC's official name, instead, they insist of using a biased name CCP, which emphasize the 'nationalism' and 'not capitalization economy' meaning. And being arrogant and disrespectful is one of the reasons why Germany failed the competition.

[@wedmunds]

They call it that because they're used to the Soviet era CCCP

[@albertsnow7111]

My family at the north China countryside. I inherit house from my family, but I live at BeiJing. About 6 or 7 years ago, my parent said they spend the money that I give to them on some solar panels and build on the house proof. The elect will transform to elect company that was owned by state. The company said at most 5 year we will cover solar panel cost, and get benefits. The policy is made by government, and span 5 or more year. At the beginning, I think it's are scam, for get money from my parents. Finally, I must say China officer is more smart than citizens. At least i got bachelor degree, but I not have the future view.

[@NBDHDLL]

现在回本了吗？

[@pipiqiqi4010]

as the Innovention from China, they lower the cost of the solar panel and make it more electricity productivity.

[@gtr5860]

that was not innovation.. China just have cheap labor😂

[@Loanshark753]

Norway also lost REC Solar's factory to increased electricity price. The issue is that increased transfer capacity has increased the price of Norwegian electricity, therefore the government has introduced a subsidy system only for household usage up 5000KWH/month capping the price at 90 øre / KWH approx. 9 cent / KWH. Since industry has to pay for increased prices, that puts them on a disadvantage.

[@enzhus]

In China and USA, they use more electricity during summer time due to air conditioner. This is good for solar energy. However in Germany, they don't use air conditioner that much during summer but they use heater during winter, so they use most electricity in winter. 😂

[@thomassharp7989]

Great video! This is super clear summary of a complex topic 😊

[@Davidlorentzon]

I work with installing solar panels in Sweden. I am surprised you did not mention the Swiss-German company Meyer Burger who have exploded in growth and builds the highest quality solar panels on the market right now. As a company installing on roofs here, we do not buy any Chinese solar panels, we're able to convince our customers to buy the Meyer Burger as they have longer lifespans and higher efficiency. So this story continues and Germany is regaining it's solar panel industry.

[@benyap6033]

They are overpriced for the quality but supported by nationalistic marketing. It can only be successful for a short time. Meyer Burger won't survive long. Most of their components are from China anyway.

[@MetaView7]

Good for you. I am glad to hear there is hope.

[@jmg8246]

So you can rip off your customer with higher margin...

[@Davidlorentzon]

@@jmg8246 The purchasing of materials is done together with the customers. They see the breakdown of what they pay for and we don't forbid the purchasing of Chinese panels, if the customer insist on it, then they'll get it, with the lower price. So the answer is no. Our labor costs remain the same regardless of what solar tech the customer decides they want.

[@vlhc4642]

Germany never lost its solar industry to China, Germany never produced anywhere remotely close to the amount of solar China's building, China didn't make Germany solar more expensive, China just gave people a cheaper choice.

[@dxd42]

IT'S SIMPLE ... Solar Energy is not Rocket Science, China made it cheaper. For example, in Latin America the price of Solar Energy dropped more than 50% last 5 years. Chinese panels and power equipament have much quality and are very cheap.

[@commie5211]

more like, whatever industry China gets into, they're no longer rocket science.

[@AQuietNight]

A high cost producer can not compete against a low cost producer in a free market. The fight can only end one way.

[@thomasho9637]

Np matter what products and to be competitive, the prices must be cheap and the qualities must also be superb. China products have all those criteria.

[@glizzyap4912]

not quality lol dont kid yourself. with cheap products come the tradeoff of quality. Chinese didnt do magic buddy they literally cut costs and corners to make them so cheap. So while more expensive obviously german solar panels are of much higher quality.

[@mj3.14]

Compared with China, Germany is a small country.

[@donkeykong516]

The sun doesn’t visit Germany that often

[@daffyduck4195]

Your presentation was clear, concise, and to the point. You're a great presenter.

[@freeworld88888]

china breaks through has left Germany behind, it is not copy cat . it is impossible to copy advance technology from germany or u.s as they have code and materials ingriedients. But china learned alot of skills from germany battery technologies.

[@anderji]

Well next time Germany could give a try to not undercut the whole of your allies for quick profits and sell themselves to the enemy... oh wait.

[@faultier1158]

The collapse of Germany's wind & solar industries was an intended goal by the conservatives, realized via systematic regulation that put bureaucratic requirements in place on both federal and state levels, to favour coal and gas plants (gas from Russia ofc). Downright criminal if you ask me.

[@unreliablenarrator6649]

Totally absent from this video is discussion on the loss, failures & consolidation of the Chinese solar industry. These losses were not magically absorbed by the Chinese government, merchant banks including Western banks funded consolidation and eventually led to a healthy industry.

[@ckr3167]

Very informative. Hopefully US, Europe, and other western nations can find another source for renewable energy independence. 🇺🇸 🇪🇺

[@rodrigovaccari7547]

Not while trying to ignore the best energy source that exists.

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

@@rodrigovaccari7547 Nuclear?

[@sessan9450]

@@joaquimbarbosa896 nuclear.

[@HladniSjeverniVjetar]

Nuclear?

[@Fyrd-Fareld]

"another source for renewable energy independence" Nuclear, but electorates are still spooked by old scare tactics.

[@JuanLopez-zp8qk]

I LOVE MADE IN CHINA❤❤❤ PRODUCTS. HIGH QUALITY AND CHEAPER SOLAR PANELS WITHOUT CHINA I WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN MY IRRIGATION SYSTEM PROYECT AND PURCHASE IN MY LITTTLE RANCHITO IN THE BEAUTIFUL COASTS OF MY COUNTRY MEXICO ❤. TTTHANKS CHINA❤

[@ScaryHutmanPictures]

There is only one topic that is more painful than this and that's the Transrapid

[@Alvin-iv4sr]

Unlike Germany, China has too many vast deserts with sparse precipitation and no human habitation, which can be used to install solar panels.

[@wedmunds]

There are many other ways to integrate solar panels into the ecosystem. Floating panels on lakes, for example.

[@okman9684]

Germany is always prioritising the wrong thing during the right time 🇩🇪 Buying gas while leaving solar Burning coal while closing nuclear plants

[@kevinrock9802]

sending weapons to the war zone while their gas pipes being blowed up.

[@dachochiyo3992]

So sad, hopefully you are not depend on US soon.

[@rodrigomohr1277]

Coal is a disastrous source of energy, but gas, especially the one coming from Russia is necessary for the Germany to thrive.

[@petitpoucet8113]

They bend their knees for a bit of gaz sovereignty is a taboo word since ww2

[@noahpeng1689]

Raising tariffs without authorization violates WTO regulations. More importantly, if every country sets up "tariff barriers" against "free trade", then it will return to the world before World War II. What is really important is to improve the competitiveness of our products. Better products and lower costs will benefit the whole world.

[@sebastianmail-suradrin2139]

US don't give a flying eff to the WTO with regards to tariffs and sanctions..

[@howardsimpson489]

In NZ with not very good feed in tariff policy, solar installation is making steady progress because of plenty of sunshine, panels deliver more power than rated. When I installed my panels last year, they were Chinese panels, cheap but effective. They came with the claim that they were "German technology". Perhaps the horse has not bolted quite yet. The new problem is night/day output and large areas under cloud having an increased problematic influence on the grid. The heritage grid was not designed for large diversified inputs so legacy generation is still needed but less profitable. Energy storage is the next frontier. Solar was not the only German energy misstep, methane.

[@Npc-AA]

sorry,I don’t understand what is heritage grid

[@qianxu8368]

The latest research in Nature Energy and Joule readily shows the strength of China's R&D in the solar sector.

[@wilmeramadoraguilar47]

These people are all about freedom and free market until someone comes and defeats them in their own game. Now we see the hypocrisy it was freedom but for me, not for you

[@Eyes1996]

在中国，所有的关于视频制作的技术都是免费的，只要你愿意，你可以从网络上完整的学习任何一门视频和动画的制作技术

[@玉佳瓏]

When I was playing EU4, my favorite regime was autocracy, because I could control everything. Of course, I definitely wanted my country to become better and better. Of course, democracy is fairer and requires less ability of leaders, so there is less chance of low attribute leaders, but this will also be confused by the endless needs of different classes of people.

[@wintersolider6415]

Your next video should be how Europa lost the EV car market to China

[@Psi-Storm]

How can you lose something you never had?

[@drpepper3838]

That's nonsense

[@nikolas_5629]

​@@Psi-Storm😅 china started 2decades ago to made ev battery, while western &jpn laughing at this idea. Now they accuse china stole from them?? Oh... I lose my Jewel... When awake ' I never had that jewel'.....😴

[@阿威你不能死啊]

Lost cn and us

[@jcliu]

The German solar story was ironically a lot like American fracking in the 2010s, which kept on booming despite the vanishingly distant prospect of profits and financial sustainability absent external support. The difference, like a lot of the differences between E.U. and US economic performance, is that the shale money pit was filled by a flood of cheap Wall Street liquidity, whereas only the state and conservative banks could afford to pick up the tab on incubating German solar. Private capital can remain irrational a lot longer than democratic taxpayers, which is why 15 years later shale is a consolidating, technologically mature, money-making industry-and branching out into renewable geothermal, which relies on similar tech. Of course, that’s thanks in no small part to Putin and LNG demand from Germany’s decades of penny-wise and pound-foolish energy policy blowing up (literally) in its face.

[@aofeizhang8735]

Remind me the same pattern that Imperial China expanded with: Population Advantage! Even from the very beginning of Chinese history, Chinese always had a shocking population scale compared with surrounding tribes which allowed them to gradually become the majority of nearby areas and assimilated surrounding tribes.

[@dhddj-ye6nv]

你错了，占中国人口绝大部分的汉族人最初是由羌族人和东夷族混血诞生的，刚开始人口并不比其他部落多，是中国人的祖先通过一次又一次的战争才发展起来

[@wedmunds]

And that comes from the family-centric philosophy that is still present today.

[@Txkato]

when germany decided to put an end to nuclear power in 2011, they partly filled that gap with increased coal production, while at the same time cutting funds to solar energy. funfact: these coal companies are not profitable. they are held afloat by goverment subsidies, which then are used to pay lobbyists to recieve more government subsidies. but the solar companies are the liability in this scenario, sure.

[@jianyang6281]

it is ok, Chinese manufactory is building some new solar factories in Germany.

[@vforvendetta937]

We are doing solar panels business from last 2005 ...we first imported German panel's but the Chinese panel's were 1/3 the prices and just as good in early times ..now are even better

[@chimwemwetembo6446]

This is happening in EV industry as well

[@fungo6631]

The yellow peril was real all along? Imagine my surprise!

[@oskars1419]

whole europe dying, better come to usa

[@sweetpotato3910]

I thought indian is number 1 in everything. I dont know china dominated solar panel..

[@kronicturbo8327]

India no.1 😆😆😆😆

[@thrunsalmighty6863]

Germany consumes more coal than any other European country. How "green" is that?

[@drmurmur]

Great video

[@gauravattri1250]

This channel is quite knowledgeable

[@davidmichels5295]

I LOVE INTO EUROPE I WATCH EVERY VIDEO ❤️

[@MeEntertainmentJo_876]

I had hoped Germany got out of solar because solar for Europe is just a stupid idea. The geography works against solar at almost every point except some parts of southern Europe. If Europe wants to decarbonize and isn’t going to use nuclear, it needs to build a shit ton more offshore wind turbines and pace them in the North Sea, the south of France, off the west coast of Spain, in the Aegean, and then some onshore where they can find it. Give up on solar it can’t compete with wind for Europe.

[@senefelder]

Unfortunately nuclear power is not viable economically

[@Psi-Storm]

Solar and wind aren't competing. Both energies are negatively correlating. In winter when pv production is low, wind is strong, while in summer wind production suffers, there is even more wind in the night. You are also wrong with the statement that pv makes no sense in Germany. Even here it's the cheapest form of producing electricity. Yes, you can produce more with pv in south Spain or Morocco, but then you have to build new powerlines to get the electricity to Germany, which cost more than just building 40% more pv to get the same amount of electricity. Not even talking about the transmission losses on a >2500km powerline.

[@snoopysnoops007]

@@senefelder Nuclear power is the best long-term solution, even economically speaking. The main thing is it can provide stable base loads which solar/wind cannot do (even using energy/battery storage makes these further costly vs nuclear)

[@senefelder]

@@snoopysnoops007 No. Too expensive. Not worth investing.

[@SingularityZ3ro1]

That depends on where in Europe, and to say we should not use solar, because of wind, is a quite close, binary view. I live in Europe, and we have 326 sun days a year. So speaking of Europe as a whole, Solar makes a lot of sense - Maybe not in Norway, but even that comes down to cost if you e.G. can implement it cheaply into Windows etc. Especially since Europe as a whole will need much more energy. Not only for EVs, but even more for desalination plants, according to how climate change kicks in. And Fusion Power is always "10 Years away".

[@manimalworks7424]

Your next video title “How Germany lost its auto industry to China”

[@Elementum_Renewables]

Great video, can you do a similar video covering perovskite?

[@althyk]

made in china lifecycle. toys, appliances, cars, thats what china does. it makes things.

[@thetruthinquirer]

Yes cry. Its good to cry till the tears dry. There is no one to blame other than your Govt.

[@EarthKuma]

It's not just German.

[@elboon_80]

13:43 power of industrial policy… this is the crux of it. You could have geniuses creating revolutionary technologies… but that’s something very hard to plan for. Without an industrial, even if you have such breakthroughs, you can’t keep them.

[@whatsup3519]

Super

[@aanchaallllllll]

0:00: 🌞 Germany lost its dominance in the solar industry to China, resulting in an economic failure for German industry and policymaking. 2:59: 🌞 Germany turned to China for solar cells and modules due to explosive demand in the German market. 5:50: 🌞 Chinese firms were able to innovate and improve upon machinery from US and European suppliers, thanks to access to better machines, government support, and competitive market. 8:51: 💥 The collapse in silicon prices and oversupply of solar panels led to the decline of the German solar industry. 11:52: 💡 China's solar industry emerged as the dominant player, surpassing Germany, due to strategic support and improvements in manufacturing and scaling. Recap by Tammy AI

[@sleepyjoe4529]

skill issue

[@hemantparakh6462]

I think everyone in Germany should cut power consumption to 10001.001 Mah to regain it's Renewable energy status

[@Mist-Find-X]

I think what everyones forgets to mention is how good the Chinese are at strategic planning.

[@ioan_jivan]

Hmm... not enough risk. Still, respect for Germany

[@danims7329]

Nice video! But the subtitles have some serious mistakes, you should double-check them before uploading!

[@sneakymove]

If China did not have this ambition back then, the world would not use Solar Panel at the scale today. The world has China to thank. Stop whining about what a Germany did wrong. The chinese have high respect for Germans because of the contribution to the world technology today

[@GTFO_0]

While eurpoe was busy funding usa war in Libiya,afganistqn and different pqrts of the wordl china built that

[@oberstleutnant787]

Thanks to China for bringing solar panel price down and make it affordable.

[@kellymcbright5456]

The real key is the same again and again. European private capitalist companies take out profits as soon as possible as huge as possible. Chinese govt. in its planned economy approach forces their companies to re-invest into development. That makes them superior in the long run.

[@Hermit-Crab]

Hugo, you are the Boss!

[@MaximKachurovskiy]

At least German manufacturers had their paperwork in order so they got that going for them 😊

[@independentthought3390]

Sounds about right.

[@richjoyal]

The German solar policy was too good to those who had knowhow and money to set up rooftop solar panels. When a policy gives too much unfair benefits to the rich, it usually doesnt substain.

[@josdesouza]

Robust supply chains, that's the name of the game. Can Germany (and Europe) (re)build them fast enough to outcompete Chinese solar panels?

[@wedmunds]

The last time Europe had competent supply chains Germany was ruled by a dictator.

[@lukadundur8341]

Enough of Asia , EU should incentivize companies to invest in Africa, it is closer and cheaper ,they have huge population boom , And it might slow down migration pressures.

[@kronicturbo8327]

Europe is over

[@Charvak-Atheist]

Thanks China for making Solar cheap.

[@cinghialandri]

The only solution for EU energy independence is nuclear energy ⚛️

[@jhonhalim822]

conclusion............... thanks to china, we can get affordable solar panels

[@coenlammerts8816]

Do you also make some positive videos about europe its alway Europe is falling beind its doing bad?

[@IntoEurope]

Yes some more positive videos are in the works! :)

[@rodrigomohr1277]

Germany is a declining industrial power unfortunately!

[@milekragulj325]

Competition and efficiency. EU can successfully do it only abandoning capitalism.

[@TheEVEInspiration]

And the panels are made using lots of coal :) You can't make this scam up, its brilliant!

[@rabbitazteca23]

Good job to China lol

[@Dark-yv1es]

Everything get cheaper after Chinese step in, it helps a lot to people who live in third world countries

[@KGopidas]

Germany to commencee panel assembly and installation in africa with purchSe of power?

[@Ganjor420]

In Germany we call that "Danke, Merkel".

[@cyrusol]

Ja wenn du das Video geschaut hättest, würdest du jetzt checken, dass das beileibe nicht alles war.

[@Ganjor420]

@@cyrusol Come on, das ist halt ein running gag. Natürlich ist nicht eine einzelne Person an allem der letzten 16 Jahre schuld....

[@cyrusol]

@@Ganjor420 Come on, come on, come on was!? Soll ich jetzt Ignoranz tolerieren nur weils dir Spaß macht?

[@Ganjor420]

@@cyrusol Beruhig dich :D . Ja ich hab nen spaß unter einem YT Video gemacht, und ja, die richtige Reaktion darauf wäre ignorieren wenn du's nicht lustig findest...

[@thomaslanders2073]

The fact is that for most of recorded history Germany has been a land of barbarians while China has been home of advanced civilization. It was simply a fluke that Germany managed to surpass Chinese technology from the 1800s. A better question to ask is why does Germany expect to be able to to compete with China 🤔

[@moustaphadiallo600]

To be fair, Germany has shown much more competency in past than most of their neighbors when it comes to industry, finance, and governance. They surpassed the British empire who had a long headstart to industrialization. They also refused to adopt the finance above all policy that the US and UK followed. It took multiple large empires to defeat Germany twice in the 20th century. To answer your question, Germany has better relations with the other large markets (except China) who may also form a coalition against China. Only problem with that is they sanctioned Russia while they were heavily dependent on Russian pipeline gas. They could have been dependent on cheap Russian pipeline gas and neutral or dependent on moderately expensive American or Qatari LNG and sanctioned Russia. Surprising you have so little faith and confidence in Germany while you have that profile picture (not entirely sure if it German).

[@rjd1564]

You are not alone in this comment section someone els made pretty much the same wierd comment. Where you guys given prompt or something.