How Gold And Experience From Creeps Changes Over Time

In this video I decided to go over something different - how gold and experience from creeps changes throughout a game. I also touch on things like how much gold and experience different neutral camps give, how stacked neutral camps change the gold and experience they give, some weird mechanic related to sharing experience, and other things.
I enjoyed learning about something that's more of a core game mechanic. I plan to go over more game mechanic topics, but not entirely sure what yet. If you have some ideas, let me know!
00:00 - Intro
00:17 - Lane Creep Quantity Changes
01:10 - Creep Stat Changes
01:21 - Lane Creep Stat Changes
01:58 - Neutral Creep Stat Changes
02:50 - Creep Bounty Range Explained
03:37 - Gold And XP From A Creep Wave
04:04 - Comparing Large Camps
05:19 - Comparing Ancient Camps
05:38 - Comparison Conclusion
06:26 - How Sharing XP Works
07:49 - Denying Creeps
08:04 - Stacking Neutral Camps
08:41 - Thanks For Watching
Here's a playlist of videos where I take a deeper look into the mechanics of something that I think is widely misunderstood, confusing, or just interesting - • How Crystal Maiden's F...
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[@TheChaotiCake]

Been playing dota for 10 years and I didn't know some of this lol, such as stacked camps giving 15% less gold and xp. Thanks for the info!

[@TheDominionOfElites]

The stack changes were made in the last year or two

[@TheChaotiCake]

@@TheDominionOfElites ahh I see. Thank you as well for the info 😁

[@bounceday]

@@TheDominionOfElites they only know how to nerf skill based play :(

[@raulmontero8736]

They added xp % bonus for the stacker camps hero, even if isn't in the xp area when the stacks are killed. Also added in recent patches

[@FahmiZFX]

Duuuuuude, the production quality on this is insane. You can easily tell how much effort you put into this video from how it's presented.

[@abca14045]

becuz it is simple.

[@SK3564]

The lost xp when it's leached by several heroes is super interesting! I really like learning about these things in dota, I really appreciate you sharing all this info!

[@zzadrianzz]

Thanks!! Glad you like learning about this stuff like I do :D

[@ITZBROKENhotDOG12]

Wow... this blows my mind how in-depth this MOBA is.. just jaw dropping cant wait to put hundreds of hours learning so much every thousand hours

[@cptmacmillan1111]

I binged every single one of your "How this hero's ability actually works" and learned a whole lot. Subbed right after. Here are some ideas I thought of that when you present and demonstrate, my

[@zzadrianzz]

That's very valuable feedback, thanks a bunch and thanks for the support!

[@mdk064hernandez9]

I had already been looking into this recently 😂 ty so much for clearing these things up

[@harun507]

This is really educational. Thank you

[@Skulltroxx]

Again, another great video.

[@alm5851]

This is amazing info man! Appreciate it

[@ferryxhidayat]

My guy has a major degree in Dota, thanks for the video

[@Youmu_Konpaku_]

Very nice and insightful hidden mechanics

[@freddyvartanians3836]

Amazing content dude

[@arielbazanantezana9120]

Nice video man👍🏻

[@hanavirtue]

hoooly, the production keep getting better

[@carrotcarrotful]

What if you did an episode on spell casting animations. Windup vs endlag, how the stop command works, spells like tinker's laser which seem to hit before the animation, other instances of visuals not aligning with timings.

[@BanielDrown]

Razor's regular attack too - that one wigs me out. it hits ... after the electricity jolt hits?

[@nanook6620]

​@@BanielDrown yea there's like a split second before damage takes affect. Some of the hardest last hitting ive ever had to learn.

[@mertaltan5388]

Perfect video, thank you.

[@halomilo4013]

Very thorough video, auto sub!!

[@rollermixmax]

Keep it up! nice work man

[@zzadrianzz]

Thanks :D

[@An_Appi]

This will blow up mark my words

[@LootFreak]

Love these vids!

[@congtrinh3717]

Thank you sir!

[@maruangh9]

Nice , very informative, can you do huskar next , i have no ideia why sometimes he heal so much

[@Chokop1e__]

Golden dota content. Thanks man.

[@Shlerpple]

Love ur vids.. very insightful

[@user-ox3sd8od7i]

That's the type of dota content I was looking for

[@leviejoshuasala8841]

Thanks! what a great vid.

[@iverson1194]

Another thoughtful videooo keep it up

[@caternal5666]

as a new player this helps me a lot to understand these mechanics thank you so much!

[@kawaiiyasuo63]

Nice production dude !!! I wanna know if you can share some insights on how "critical" works in the game in general and if there are hidden mechanics there is ? Keep it up, man !

[@fappiedappy2902]

it's just pseudo random mechanic that you can google. It's probably not enough for a whole video.

[@pauloovl]

@@fappiedappy2902 on zzADRiANzz's video about drow's marksmanship there is a section about pesudo random distribution already,actually.

[@ladderlappen4585]

@@pauloovl prng is espcially usefull to know, when you jungle with pa in the early levels

[@juliangorski5760]

Love you my man. Wanna do Dispersion next?

[@mariadamian4534]

Great channel! can you do ember spirit video about his spells? i have hard times to use slight and q on heroes

[@redisrar12]

ty for info...stay love

[@raulmontero8736]

Just need to add the super and mega creeps xp/gold/stats values through the game. Since all this content is so valuable and normally isn't breaked through properly. Great job though

[@purushottamroy7379]

Now this is a video worth saving.

[@olehhavrylko7121]

Try adding some background music, perhaps from Dota (there're more than standard theme). I think it will improve the quality, because it felt a bit weir during math part. Other than that the content is good!

[@Santi-vx5lt]

Thaanks! Can you explain how base attack time works? (E.g. last change on abaddon)

[@yonmalikulkudus8526]

thanks a lot man

[@tlustejmicin]

Awesome vid. As usual ❤

[@zzadrianzz]

Thanks!

[@leonardobargilbargi176]

Best dota channel nowadays!

[@minoriteinvisible]

You know my Italian grandfather always made good lasagna and knows a lot about pasta if the pasta is good he will say "Bellissimo". But me personally I don't know nothing about pasta but I know about Dota and video editing and let me tell you what I just saw is BELLISSIMO!

[@NoNTr1v1aL]

I love your videos bro 👍

[@zzadrianzz]

Thank you! Glad you enjoy them :)

[@bjornbos332]

i actually laid this out on a map in paint a few months ago

[@carlofaustino9373]

Could u do an explanation on dazzle's heal??

[@JohnPaulBuce]

thanks

[@drrrw]

Do the attack modifiers and combination items for item builds.

[@TheHippyhopp]

is there any explanation to how ember spirits W work? Or is it totally random?

[@hadisparrow8722]

super!

[@abdulellahaAls]

So in the end, its better to kill jungle before the minute come than making a stack ?

[@Schuhardt]

I’m kinda confused on the camp stacking part. You said that the stacker gets 30% of the gold which isn’t subtracted from the killer. Then you said that the killer gets 15% less gold and xp. Soo the killer receives 85% of the normal bounty and the stacker receives 30% of that, which isn’t subtracted. Soo 15% extra gold is being made?

[@yehorveremii]

100-15%=85 (decreased bounty for the killer) 85×.3=25.5 (the amount of gold the stacker receives) Right? 100-85=15 (wasted gold forever for the killer) 25.5-15=10.5 (difference between the amount of gold the stacker receives and that wasted gold is extra gold) Conclusion: 10.5% extra gold as well as exp for the stacker. In other words, stacks give your team 10.5% networth boost if they will be cleared by non-stacker ally.

[@jotapegs8285]

@zzADRiANzz i dont know if i missed it but what happens with the exp when a Neutral Creep LH a creep? 10/10 content dude!

[@zzadrianzz]

The xp will still be given the same as normal. And thank you!

[@krnzzang84]

Best dota education ❤❤❤❤

[@dajair01]

How did this change with the latest changes?

[@therealmurakaze]

Didn't check other comments, but the double satyr is missing. It was in the spawn at that time as well, or is it not considered a large camp? Confused -_-

[@user-nb5nj6xs6y]

What happens with the xp if lane creeps are fighting neutral creeps? Can you soke up the xp from both creeps if they are enemy lane creeps?

[@zzadrianzz]

Yes exactly. You'd get xp from every neutral creep and lane creep that dies.

[@abbybasher7247]

As we are in meme patch, let's talk about meme hammer and if everybody buy it. Stacking of meme hammer? Tower pushing?

[@Vetadota]

Can you do bane nightmare next?

[@banglevision8207]

ANOTHA ONE!

[@dmitriishatokhin]

I remember short period of time when denied creep gave 0 exp to enemy and 1 my offlane game went pretty sick: I was 7 lvl and enemy still first. Everything was denied xD

[@seanduncan9722]

I wish i could subscribe twice

[@impactaci]

this is why carry players should always consider farming creep wave first if it is safe.

[@sedimiri.7195]

maybe Abbadon's ult with septer. how the mist coil works

[@chalempoy1905]

can you do a video about chainfrost

[@Pozorchelovechestva]

Id like to know how weaver aganim shard works

[@VictorHugo-xo9uz]

better than going to school

[@Wellkerdes]

Welp time to just send this video's link in team chat so my safelane doesn't play farmville in the jungle for the next 30 minutes. 🧑‍🌾🧑‍🌾 Jokes aside, well made video btw. Keep it up!

[@chalempoy1905]

your contents are too gud

[@noahjohann4909]

Do i miss some fact or did you forget about mud golems and the other satyr camp? the one with only small satyrs

[@MrJanaQi]

those are not big neutral camps, they are lower rank so they give less xp and gold

[@idkwatlol4456]

Valve needs to hire this guy.

[@yehorveremii]

for what reason lol? they hide all that stuff on purpose to make game playable as long as possible, it's an anti-employee for Valve, at least, with that type of content.

[@doom1153]

Just to ask about stacking camps, how do multiple stacks work? Who gets what stack gold, and is the 15% reduction applied again? Great video btw :)

[@zzadrianzz]

The 30% gold bounty and 15% reduction are applied the same even if there are multiple stacks. The 15% reduction is not applied again. Both are applied to the specific creeps that spawned from being stacked, as seen by the stacking buff they have.

[@claytonagol]

Please update that is amazing theory.

[@dyggas]

Aaaaaand, now you throw it all away :)

[@uthm429]

Does dazzle heal works like warlock link?

[@zzadrianzz]

Briefly explained - it apparently prioritizes hurt allied heroes the highest, which I didn't know. And if there are multiple heroes meeting the same criteria, it'll choose who it heals randomly.

[@Daniel-zr4pk]

7:45 I did not understand what you mean? who is doing the wrong thing? the mid or the afk support?

[@yehorveremii]

it's a joke, the afk support ofc :DDDD that .5 exp doesn't count when splits between allies, so midlaner as solo hero wouldn't receive that extra .5 exp to dominate enemy mid, to get the level up before the enemy midlaner if their support soak up the exp. Basically, you can split the exp between allies effectively only if it's divided by the number of allies which is randomised by that range in every bounty creeps contain. Everything after the dot in the result is being deleted from the game and compensated by the outposts exp.

[@bigbigestwiner92]

Make a video analyzing drow ult’s effectviness when stacked with armor corruption

[@pauloovl]

there is a video abut drow's ult already. even though he doesn't mention corruption, zzADRiANzz briefly explains marksmanship is affected by bonus armor only when it procs,so still affected by corruption. armor ,in general, could be a possible content for future videos

[@bigbigestwiner92]

@@pauloovl i know! I was just trying to theory craft how valuable armor debuffs are in a drow line up (even potentially for herself) since it does change a ton of calcs when compared to regular armor debuff comps

[@pauloovl]

@@bigbigestwiner92 oh, a video about how armor actually works would be nice

[@icecrown7324]

Make one on how winrate works and how to break 51% winrate

[@Interloper322]

51%? I have a 30% forced winrate

[@sebastianramos4907]

Moooore videos pleaseee

[@banglevision8207]

Morphing attributes

[@chongzm1]

Meepo enters the chat 😂

[@arslankhan2191]

How does Wukong Command works?

[@ZurinArctus0]

Your video is getting better and I love it but please don't use one vocabulary subtitle like in minute 2:47, it's just annoying

[@WoobertAIO]

The progression of Super Creeps means that if a game goes long enough, Super Creeps would **eventually** be more tanky and dangerous than their Mega counterparts. Edit: I actually did the math, and it seems like their max stats are equal to the Mega Creeps' base stats lmao I stand corrected.

[@zhengshen1637]

Hi, please make a video explaining how Undying's Soul Rip works? I like your video so much, crystal clear explaination

[@pitou6874]

U forgot the golem neutral creep TnT

[@tradenchill9123]

6:40 ”Neutral creep kills share all exp around 1500 range despite which team got the kill” what this cant be right? An enemy is near my jungle when i kill jungle stacks, theyll get 50% of exp?

[@abhishekpawar5126]

You didn't cover mega creeps

[@zod3632]

wait outposts give exp every min now? Since when was that LoL

[@skersovas]

Is it just me or at every 10min mark outpost gives bonus gold and xp??? Dont tell me i was blindly trying 2 protect outpost at 10 min marks without any bonus gain :///

[@somethingsomething2541]

No they dont.. its only 1 min and they give tiny amount of bonus xp.

[@somethingsomething2541]

In past they used to give alot of xp every 5 mins i think

[@somethingsomething2541]

Getting 2 outposts will not give u more xp or gold as it will only deny the opponents from getting xp every minute.. outpost major use is only for teleportation purposes

[@spiralingspiral72]

You should explain next the phenomenon where an ability can one-shot ranged creeps early on in the game, but somehow later in the game, it won't one-shot them, and hey're left with like 1 or 2 HP. Really annoying stuff.

[@pudipudi3227]

Didn’t he kind of do that he said the creeps health and atk scale up throughout the game

[@h00db01i]

gotta have kaya now

[@ggame3987]

Let zzADRiANzz cook. LET HIM COOK!!!

[@jft3730]

No mud golem 🫠🥲

[@5vart5ol]

First! Me mid!

[@deedoo624]

the creeps are cute

[@xtianebernal]

Stacking has been one of my favorite mechanics in the game. Not to brag but I think I have 130k camps stacked on my profile. I always do double or triple stacks and if my core is a little bit too slow to farm it, i farm it myself. There are games i played as 5 kotl with an orchid at 14 mins lol

[@somethingsomething2541]

Damm thats nicee

[@zzadrianzz]

That's awesome. Yeah it's very fun to get a lot of camps stacked with something like KOTL, as long as the enemy doesn't take them. That's always so sad, especially when your team doesn't respond.

[@iada1036]

are you dota 2 entrepreneur?

[@ziloj-perezivat]

Way too legit

[@garnetst.721]

creeps.

[@kf_isher1149]

asdf

[@samuelmamani8462]

thank you Spirit of the la.. zzAdrianzz !! thanks for the awesome info

[@zila5161]

👍👍👍👍🫡

[@SpaceTimeBeing_]

Great video but why do you sound so bored

[@zzadrianzz]

That's just how I sound I guess lol. Very mellow person in general so maybe that's why.