How Good Are Towers WITHOUT Their Abilities? (Bloons TD 6)

How Good Are Towers WITHOUT Their Abilities? BTD6 / Bloons TD 6 - ever wondered a world in which abilities did not exist? Here's how all those middle path towers look in such a reality and my picks for towers that would still perform decently.
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[@randomjunkohyeah1]

Monkeynomics being in B tier is wild to me. Without the ability it’s literally no different than an IMF Loan, but at 10x the price??

[@Cristian145]

Does Monkeynomics not increase the capacity from 20k to 30k?

[@krulas25]

​@@Cristian145Its 9.5k for the bank, 12.5k for imf and nomics

[@kavinvenkatesh1581]

​@@Cristian145wrong game fam

[@randomjunkohyeah1]

@@krulas25 *if you have the monkey knowledge

[@SiopilosLimbo]

seems like the tier takes the previous upgrades into consideration as well hence it's rated b for imf

[@superstitic]

17:58 camo regrow red strikes again

[@sebs1402]

the pesky camo regrow reds

[@boi2192]

Hes gotta do it for battles 2

[@kingkaimon]

The most powerful bloon in the game

[@krub1124]

we miss you robot isab

[@DakkaScrappa]

​@@kingkaimon no the CAMO,REGROW FORTIFIED RED BLOON is the strongest

[@skywalkerjohn8965]

There is no way Plasma fan club is above Transformation, Glue and Homeland

[@Cristian145]

Transformation glue and homeland does nothing to Unstable Conc, Glue Hose and MIB. PMFC increases triple shots MOAB damage if I remember correctly.

[@rmlgaming2091]

​@@Cristian145 a $60k triple shot 😂

[@Dropshock]

​@@Cristian145It's attack speed, but that's inherited from SMFC.

[@blueyandicy]

ah yes because we love 60k MIB or 50k unstable coc

[@JohnJohn-r4l]

Idk man they’re all pretty much no different to tier 3-4 upgrades without ability

[@Bupboy]

I remember a few years ago, being the stupid child i was, assumed abilities were the same as powers, and since i didnt want to ever use powers, you can tell how that went Yeah i just didnt use abilities Of course i use them now, and some powers like banana farmers

[@Jdnfjdksndj]

Lol😂 I also don't use powers and instas. I would use banana farmers and techbots tho but since I wanna keep the stats in my profile clean I don't.

[@AltraHapi]

if EA owned BTD6 then powers would cost 100MM per use

[@DesertgodCR]

​@@AltraHapi Nahh EA is old now, if it was owned by supercell than its valid

[@Bupboy]

@@AltraHapi yeah but? I'm talking about abilities and my unwillingness to use them... unless you meant to comment and not reply?

[@AltraHapi]

@da_real_bup it reminded me of PVZ 2 where there's special abilities also in the bottom left of the screen, and while the game encourages you to use them it costs you coins. So I avoid using then. I shouldve added some context (oops)

[@1qazxsw23edcish]

Can't help but think a transforming tonic (unstable concoction) may have gotten you an extra round or two.

[@Evil_Incorporate]

That Reddit post is actulally so ass. How is Pirate Lord in the same tier as Monkeynomics and Pop and Awe and lower than Wizard Lord Phoenix? And Carpet of Spikes is certainly better than Perma Charge without it's ability.

[@TJackson736]

042 wizard isn't that bad without the ability as the tier 4 essentially doubles the damage of a good mid game option. I think the OP counted the tier 4 upgrades as well. 240 farm isn't that bad without the ability given it holds more in the bank with the mk. I barely use abilities, even if I have a tower with an ability. 052 bomb and 052 boomer are pretty good without much use of their abilities if you want to beat round 100 on primaries only.

[@brandonbombplays9304]

​@@TJackson736The post said tier 5s. Also I regularly browse r/btd6 and have not seen a single half decent tierlist since the crazy pro sweaty bloody puddles community one.

[@redspear007]

im sorry for dissapointing you random internet user

[@obelix8492]

They forgot bottom path of supermonkey bruh

[@obelix8492]

Oh and also the beast master

[@HardxCorpsxKali]

14:09 yes yes I do like how t-Rex one shots them with one hit. As opposed to how the other towers one shot cerams with 2-3 hits. Some towers one shot cerams in 10-20 hits. That’s why I like t-Rex the most.

[@Revalopod]

I like towers that do DOT over time, it's good bonus DPS per second

[@HardxCorpsxKali]

@@Revalopod I do agree to be tbh.. they truly are the strongest towers in my imo.

[@notareetbot6264]

I know they're less efficient, but is there a world where you could have built your max t-rex with other t-rexes and saved up for Giganotosaurus? It seemed like it might be possible to go for it after MAD.

[@shalvei_]

I was wondering about this as well

[@pizza8725]

17:58 is what happens when you don't buy lazer shock

[@LoominousShroominous]

….no

[@SmileyTheFoot]

One shot with one hit? Well of course, is it supposed to one hit with two hits?

[@tigdakid]

MAD is actually such a good tower for the price. S tier tower with and without the ability.

[@jasonchiu272]

For the M.A.D., since abilities are off the table, you could've just gone for the bottom cross path for the pierce.

[@andreasbjrnbak289]

Camgrow red bloon is so scary it made isab buy lasershock

[@Graveskull]

This is an idea I've wanted to see for so long ty ISAB

[@joki8665]

I will not pretend you dropped a spike factory

[@snowthemegaabsol6819]

1:55 I'd place Smael one tier higher, only for the reason that the main attack does get +1 damage and does normal type damage. Actually somewhat significant for certain challenges like obscure 2tcs.

[@blueyandicy]

that was removed iirc

[@snowthemegaabsol6819]

Update 41 nerfed the blades that came from the Smael ability do sharp damage, but the blades from the main attack are still normal

[@sahilkambhampaty1886]

I can’t believe he bought laser shock on a MAD. History has been made.

[@RonZhang]

Awesome. Laser shock ftw

[@Fera-gr5mm]

Why he did not buy the pierce upgrade tho

[@camzy6482]

CoS in A feels so painful considering this thing saved like half of my black border runs, but the price would drag it down a bit imo

[@The_Arminator]

Thank you isab for showing us how good towers are without their abilities

[@chipputer]

Would've gone 052 on the boat-- multiple explosions, sets things on fire, still hits black bloons because darts, can hit camo, and fires stupid fast. It can solo clear up to 70+, without ability, and even higher with it. I get that you always go for DPS instead of utility, though.

[@JCQ205]

oh my god ISAB uploaded I can finally finish

[@Dzbonek]

what

[@spicywings4614]

⁉️

[@cw83.]

😐

[@LukeChicken]

edging rn

[@goofykid2000]

💀💀💀💀

[@cyan789]

"Anything else I will buy will be absolute… Crap." That feels like written dialogue in a good way.

[@mitsunoseikaku2597]

I think the OP was going for how crippled the towers are when you don't use their ability. So OP putting Perma-charge in S tier because it's just a bionic boomer but faster and stronger which you can live without the ability, compared to Homeland which you literally will only buy because of its ability, without homeland ability its literally just a MIB but they got a fancier office

[@redspear007]

youre right, the title was innacurate

[@Healion123]

That is literally like how during my first years playing BTD5, I thought abilities were 1-time & were instantly triggered when you bought the upgrade

[@LudovicoPetroleumScallywagVII]

Isab never fails to be Canadian

[@bixielikesbloons]

If you are planning on going lategame it is probably better to do a 052 MAD since you really only lost to getting piercecapped. Usually, the easier targeting is the option to go for, since rounds 1-100 don't really have clusters of moabs big enough for the lack of pierce to matter

[@MAX_DJM]

Right in time for my sleep schedule 🗿

[@chaineryt9211]

Europe moment

[@Jdnfjdksndj]

Europe🙌🏻

[@beaneater6923]

its 6 pm bro youre weird

[@ZaZaDoobieZinging]

Do the planks you definitely lied about

[@MAX_DJM]

Already did 10 minutes my man and my abs make me wanna unalive when I sneeze​@@ZaZaDoobieZinging

[@Swagpion]

I would argue Carpet of Spikes is an S-teir tower on that list. Because like Pre-Emptive Strike, the activated ability is just a bonus, given how it now activates automatically

[@wtgkanp2431]

I think the pre-emptive strikes automatic strikes do less damage than the ability.

[@jcutfiend]

@@wtgkanp2431pre empt attack only does about 750 iirc, way less than the ability

[@Swagpion]

@@wtgkanp2431 so CoS is better.

[@TJackson736]

​@@SwagpionPre-emptive strike reduces round 95 to cerams as it can reduce all the DDTs and fortified MOABs to cerams when they enter the map.

[@wtgkanp2431]

@@Swagpion yeah, my point was that pre emptive could actually move down a tier considering how hard the automatic strikes fall off late game.

[@lool8421]

17:58 flashbacks to the camo regrow red meme

[@themangoninja8]

Bro how is homeland that high up? Literally a 70k mib. Absolute ass of a tower without the ability.

[@longdongsilvers6971]

Really like “waving the white towel” as a phrase

[@ThatNerdGuy0]

I keep thinking to myself “why not use the ability” Like when he got 042 engineer for decamo and said that he wasted a bunch of money on a decamo I just thought to myself “well yeah but it’s a good buffing tower”

[@williewiebe3524]

CHALLENGE: you know when you fast forward the game with the mod? Sometimes 4x faster? Try beating chimps with the game on 6x speed and auto start

[@U_stoopid_bro]

Your a demon

[@etjama9707]

I'm pretty sure he's done something like that before.

[@mrcookiefries2896]

After not using any of those abilities, I would've liked to see the round he died on - be retried with using the abilties

[@SealHugger_68]

*uses an ability in his no ability run* "pretend I dropped a spike factory." ISAB has finally run out of integrity.

[@brandonbombplays9304]

He just forgor

[@atnernt5196]

Obviously the OG list is made before it’s public release, but I think the upcoming Popseiden Mermonkey would also be a really solid option

[@giggityman41]

WLP with the triple fire stream next to Sauda and a 024 glue with alch buff is very potent in my experience and the ability almost feels weaker than leaving it alone

[@allinairhanson6886]

Initial thoughts: Monkeynomics feels like it's bottom tier if comparing to previous upgrade, as it is just the ability that gets upgraded (though x-4-x is probably higher up) Pirate lord could probably go up a tier really, very strong Boomerang goes down a tier as you said Dark champion is probably S tier I like tsar bomba so it goes up a tier for me

[@CJboss33]

Who ever made the tier list is definitely insane. Dart monkey is the most unless one without the ability. Dart monkey F tier move everything else up to D and above

[@mernferd6449]

I forget beast handler exists every day

[@grantbush2551]

3:20 fake news ISAB used Chinnook ability

[@johanestebanramirezbarrios1411]

1:25 i mean, you have to buy tiers 4 for to get tier 5 XD

[@fake-Meteor]

The supper bottom path should all be S tear. The shadow move active ability makes him technically qualify for this

[@mattcasualking]

Village being in last tier is diabolical, it gives no regrow in radius as well as camo and MIB, almost half the towers on the list can’t even hit camo straight up

[@xdjrockstar]

I remember seeing the tier list on reddit. The gal OP had to not put Monkeynomics in F-tier riled me up

[@gestorium1645]

the tier list forgetting bottom path super is killer

[@harmkotze6262]

You should have done the last around again, using all the abilities so we could see the difference

[@elliancarlos]

Challenge suggestion: The floor is lava, beat chimps with only towers that throws stuff at the ground (acid pool from alchemist, ninja caltrops, spike factory, 050 druid, etc)

[@ro_4564]

I can't stop thinking giganotosaurus would've done wonders and got to like r130

[@frozenbonkchoy4986]

Btd6 episode 2: attack of the prawn bots

[@ryantoombs8858]

Pre emptive probably could've helped more than you think for the dense moab rounds than anti bloon

[@cerpyderp-it7dh]

bro i was just wondering abt this yesterday so thx

[@SubZeroo7]

T-Rex 🦖 is a little bit expensive but not too chubby, I kinda like this tower more and more.

[@ackraux1010]

The thumbnail is really something

[@ulol609]

you should have tried to beat the final roudn with the abbilities to see if it actually would have helped a lot

[@UKsfinest]

Another banger ISAB but more salvage or riot!

[@MAX_DJM]

I instantly removed the notification pop up then my brain said "hold up"

[@lool8421]

it looks so painful to watch thinking that tech terror ability can be used but really it cannot

[@RonZhang]

17:56 Camo regrow red got him

[@murphyduck]

My brother in TSG how many comments did you comment

[@XxcrazycjxX]

This is how I play the game like 90% of the time

[@Fera-gr5mm]

I think transforming tonic would be fun too lategame but too bad it does not scale

[@watsonjunior85]

Why total transformation isn't F if it's the same as an unstable concoction

[@RonZhang]

Tech terror lost the bonus attack speed so I don’t think that $25k upgrade is worth it if you’re only gonna use it for not the ability

[@Str8Wildcat]

Love the x5x boat!

[@ordinarydork2515]

I think the main problem with the tier list is that he didn’t even bother to include the Beast Handler

[@burntsharks8964]

Loving these earlier yploads

[@njh123]

I have a challenge idea for you Chimps but if you upgrade a tower, you have to buy the same upgrade to every other tower you have. For example if you get a sky shredder then you have to upgrade your starting dart to ultra juggernaut

[@YouMightKnowMek]

how about a 042 glue for The ceramics and also a 041 alch prob would've helped but it is what it is

[@Revanant-q7g]

Mybe instead of pop and awe more t-rexes wouldve changed the outcome

[@Waffles17643]

Call to arms pretty chill tho

[@HackedNuggie]

Now he's seeing how long he can last in chimps with gwen. Poor sauda😢

[@myrtles1493]

🤨

[@HackedNuggie]

@@myrtles1493 🤤

[@estel6137]

Camo regrow red, the most dangerous balloon of all time

[@RemGodRemGod]

Good shit bro your popping making bank too

[@evilliger565]

Should have then finished the run seeing how far you could get using the abilities of the towers you lost with, to measure the difference the abilities make

[@ethandavis2373]

gotta do only top and only bottom paths now

[@weamy5534]

I love your vids Isab thanks for them much love

[@jtdinoking1930]

Legend of the night: 😢 Imo the night would be S tier.

[@horos02]

also legend of the night would be S tier, it has an ability despite not being middle path

[@Jasio_Kluc]

Have a nice day/night, take care everyone :)

[@toranpascoe4498]

Would have been cool to see if you could beat the last round if you did use abilities.

[@pigusx]

8:03 say that again but slowly

[@CaptainAOrange]

Grand Sabo deserves at least a D because of its buff to shinobis

[@octi4684]

when i first saw this i thought it was about my post

[@giddeonjames9551]

Another day of people not considering bottom path super’s ability as an ability.

[@RancorSnp]

Middle path towers without using their abilities - is just how new players play the game until they learn that you can use the numbers to activate the abilities. Clicking on the icons is too much of a hassle to actually use them

[@destroything]

12:42 also no way are you kidding me nothing gets past my bow

[@daniiii888]

Should have used the abilities at the end to see how much better they are

[@icenovice]

5:35 TECH TERRIER

[@p0kem0nlvl1]

make a hero tier list without their abilities + where would legend of the night go on this list?

[@bdlc9952]

I never find the mad ability to be useful because of the 1 pierce and X4X dart gains base attack speed

[@ijneb1248]

Its great for bosses and BADs

[@sebastiankalstrom237]

I'm curious whether anyone would consider the super monkey bottom crosspath as abilities and where would they land? I think that it'd be kinda stupid to count the dark knight or champion bc the ability is just what separates them from other towers by allowing them movement. But I'd be interested to hear how the black hole plays into the LON overall power and price. Opinions?

[@TobyFloof]

This is a really good idea

[@Folsomdsf2]

Ya dun goofed, you wanted cookie monster for unstable.

[@prexeno]

They forgot about beast handler

[@KnotXaklyRite]

If only he had something to instantly kill ceramics with insanely high pierce something like idk spirit of the forest? Damn if only ISAB didn’t make challenges with random super specific additional rules on top of the existing challenges to make them needlessly harder for himself smh

[@disbled]

Thanks ISAB

[@DrPerish]

Hey wait a minute, this video is just me playing btd6

[@sotenandoM]

No legend of the night in the tierlist

[@BoomMan1]

He used the Gwen ability at the start

[@redspear007]

People didn't like my tierlist. But they can't say they got an ISAB video, can they

[@noahhirons8223]

Not to bad, everyone disagrees on a few. I think yours has just as many errors as his tbh