How good is China's J-20 stealth fighter?

China's Chengdu J-20 Mighty Dragon was the world's first stealth aircraft to enter service that was designed outside of the United States. Here's a quick rundown on what we know.
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[@AnimarchyHistory]

It is superior to the Russian jet for the simple reason that it… you know… works.

[@thelegitpilot135]

Damn right. Just watched your second Rounder Table podcast and I was shocked to learn that the weapons bay is about as good as a WWII bomb bay XD

[@DoorKnnob]

​@@thelegitpilot135 It's superior to Russian jets by engines, avionics etc The Bombay works, and is literally similar to the F-22's Bombay also you realise that the J-20's purpose is to fire and dip, not dog fight in any situation. If it were to be like that then China would actually put effort to make it dog fight capable. Also who really cares if a Bombay is similar to a WW2 Bombay. All it does is open up and fire missiles who's gonna be "picky" on that stuff

[@SungGui91]

It's chinese bro, what are you talking about😂 Besides the radar and targeting system It's a copy of the russian su27 which the us and england have recovered from the war so it's pretty much useless

[@bigroxxor420]

i think they have more than two operational as well

[@mr.waffentrager4400]

The Russian one actually fought in a war ... Other places on the other hand...

[@RT-mm8rq]

There's that old saying, Never underestimate your opponent.

[@mikekahotea8148]

Yup that ol saying "made in China" is a thing of the past

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

The problem is the US has been grossly over estimating its near peer opponents since WW2 and it has cost trillions of dollars that could have been spent far more productively. The US grossly over estimated the Soviet Union during the Cold War. When the Soviet Union fell we found out the US military complex had been lying to us, all along and the Soviet Union was nothing but a paper tiger. Then they said Russia is a threat they have cleaned up the corruption and mismanagement and now they really are a threat. Low and behold the US military complex was lying again and Russia is even incapable of beating a nation with a third of the population, one eighth the GDP, and less than one tenth the military spending. So no I don’t believe a word that is put out by either China or the US military industrial complex.

[@otetechie]

There is another old saying from that part of the world. “Appear strong when you are weak”

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

@@otetechie we overestimate them: we dominate them with an easy victory and minimal casualties we underestimate them: we may lose and will certainly take heavy casualties. Which scenario sounds better?

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

​@@jonathanpfeffer3716 the problem is it's not that simple. resources are limited so if you overestimate someone and spend resources on countering a strength that they don't actually have then you haven't been able to spend those resources on something else that you may have actually needed. In fact, trying to appear that you have capabilities or things that you don't, especially if you didn't have to spend a lot of money to get them, and getting your opponents to waste lots of money, materials, and Manpower on countering them is one of the oldest tricks in the book. At the end of the day the only wise course is an _accurate_ assessment.

[@Roguescienceguy]

An old Japanese saying: There is opportunity where there is arrogance. Never underestimate the Chinese. It's better to overestimate them

[@yenpham-jb4wo]

The Japanese are also on this side 😂.

[@penskepc2374]

They get over hyped so often it's hard to think of them as a real adversary. Remember the AI race we were supposed to be in with China last year? Me neither

[@ZeroDim]

We do overestimate everything other than their air force 😊

[@lktan224]

@@ZeroDimPlease fly your F22 over to Taiwan and see . Do not be cocky.

[@ZeroDim]

@@lktan224 also I personally don't own an F22 so how would a fly over this mystical F22 you speak of

[@greg.peepeeface]

When that canopy was closing, it looked like PVC tubes

[@biancaortegaa]

Knowing china it probably still had the home depot Tag on them

[@greg.peepeeface]

@@biancaortegaa hahaha 🤣

[@WarFoxThunder]

​@@biancaortegaa Lmaooooo

[@Walter_White_889]

​@@biancaortegaaNa since China is a wanna be United States it would be toped emoh

[@EthanThomson]

Everyone laughs but literally every fighter has them. They’re either air conditioning pipework, or air ducts for the inflating seal around the canopy

[@MrDlt123]

Nothing's stealthier than the Russian SU-57. - None have been seen in battle yet. 😂

[@user-gc1hg9sp9k]

so does F-22 and F-35. The only confirmed Air to air kill of F-22 is shooting chinese weather balloon lol

[@hollister2320]

@@user-gc1hg9sp9kDifference is they’ve been ACTUALLY tested against nearly every other ally plane. Esp during Red Flag events where they have a combined record of like 250-1 or something. There’s a reason so many country bought the F35

[@user-gc1hg9sp9k]

@@hollister2320 But still those are only exercise, not actual combat.

[@hollister2320]

@@user-gc1hg9sp9k the point is the US is the only country to actually showcase their stealth planes in exercises and combat. The only evidence we’ve seen from Russia/China are CGI, just like their “hypersonic” missiles💀

[@theamericancommie727]

@@user-gc1hg9sp9k f-22s and f-35s have flown over Syrian s-400s undetected that is about as close as you’re gonna get

[@boejiden7093]

The WS-15 engines have gone into production just recently I believe. J-20’s are being fitted with the new engines which have serrated exhaust nozzles for stealth.

[@g1llifer]

Yea I also believe I can fly but that's not happening.

[@accountantthe3394]

@@g1llifer Problem is you can't but they can

[@Davido50]

Don't put much credit into Chinese tech. Engines are the easy part. If they can't copy they can't do! US well into 6th Gen fighter tech thats production ready awaiting congressional approval. Facts. 🇺🇸

[@Davido50]

​@Accountant The not real well..unless retired euro pilots are teaching them that is. 🇺🇸

[@accountantthe3394]

@@Davido50 Nothing of worth to offer Chinese already have, WS-15 is already comparable to P&W's F135 😎🇨🇳

[@litkeys3497]

The front canards were an interesting design choice. I wonder why they went with that as opposed to thrust vectoring for lower cross section?

[@jonathanpfeffer3716]

The delta wing design plus the probably very heavy radar in the front makes me think weight distribution reasons (canards provide extra lift in the front).

[@Lardum]

Probably cus they can't make that

[@randombully3798]

Because it was not a clean sheet design. Chengdu company already designed a 4th gen fighter which looked like russian mig 1.44. When the requirement for stealth plane was put forth by chinese government the company tried to make a stealthy version of their already designed fighter. The f35'sh/f22'sh shape is the best to get good stealth and good manurability at the same time, that's also the reason why newer designs like turkey's tfx, korean boarme, and indian amca all look like f 22/f35. While seeing the digital art of sixth gen fighters it seems they focus more on stealth and less on manurability, those sixth gen fighters will be more closer to b2 spirit bomber than actual fighter jets.

[@allyourmoney]

Because the engines are underpowered & it needs canards to maintain lift.

[@cjwrench07]

@@randombully3798 Damn near all the 6th Gen fighter concepts, in the public sphere, still look more like a tailless F-22/YF-23; rather than the A-12 Avenger II flying wing design. The additional length of the upcoming next-Gen BVR missiles seems to make a Single-seat flying wing design impractical for internal carry. Although, Combat Aircraft Monthly did publish photos of what seemed to be 2 single-seat flying wing, fighter-sized, aircraft in formation, with “melted back” looking wing ends; about 8-10yrs ago.

[@dannonyogurt98]

This is a lot scarier that the Su-57 felon because... well they actually built some.

[@joekingsword2150]

TRUEEEE

[@abaani8554]

You can literally see rivets on the exterior of the russian one

[@irwanlg3050]

Some? They already built more then 300

[@dannonyogurt98]

@@irwanlg3050 Do you need me to explain the joke?

[@dragicadjuric3635]

China beat the US and it's allies in Korea war almost barefoot,they don't need any aviation.

[@martin1377]

Everyone talks about radar cross section when discussing stealth. They NEVER talk about it's IR signature, which on this aircraft is massive!!!

[@dallasyap3064]

True

[@Blackreaper95]

To be fair with BVR being a focus it's IR signature is probably irrelevant is it was in a combat situation depending on the opponent.

[@martin1377]

@@Blackreaper95 No so modern IRST systems are very good. The PIRATE system on the Typhoon is reported to have a range of 50 Miles. So if they can see it they can kill it

[@1lostinspace]

it’s why the YF23 was a better choice then anything out

[@pkfiremkice1883]

How about the fact this thing is a literal health hazard to be near?

[@mk6315]

Nothing seems more fitting than “Chinese plane” and “high speed breakdown” in the same sentence

[@peika8324]

Wow I actually really really like j-20 designs, looks like a spaceship

[@creaturedanaaaaa]

you should see the yf23

[@Wvk5zc]

@@creaturedanaaaaaugly af. sorry

[@user-SaputroYono]

​@giladpellaeon3664 SU-47 say hi

[@PatrickCamblin]

You did not mention its range advantage which is hugely important over the Pacific vastness

[@castanza128]

It's only important to THEM. Because they are still trying to develop their airborne refueling capabilities. A lot less important to nations with well-tested airborne refueling.... and carrier groups.

[@angelaferkel7922]

​@@castanza128well you know those huge refueling tankers will go down first if a war breaks out. They will be the first target and even some escorts wont do enough if china overruns them in numbers and once they are down, most of US airforce is crippled in that area

[@Unknown.NotRegistered]

What's crazy is to realize the F-22 is technically obsolete at this point and it still beats newer planes.

[@mckendrick7672]

I mean, most countries aren't really trying to beat the F22 because it was very built at huge expense that is still hard to justify for the US, nevermind nations with far less money. It's simply a better decision for most countries to produce lots of cheaper aircraft than a few advanced ludicrously expensive aircraft.

[@mikekahotea8148]

"Thousands of time's bigger than the F22 on radar " oops

[@trumptookthevaccine1679]

Are you saying he’s wrong?

[@mikekahotea8148]

@@trumptookthevaccine1679 nope it's just the Chinese said the same thing, but the opposite way round. But I suspect the F22 has the upper hand

[@sethb3090]

That doesn't mean nonstealthy though. The F-35 is also far bigger (not gonna look up the exact amount or be confidently wrong, but I think it might be like 100x) than the F-22, which is the second stealthiest thing in the sky after the B-2.

[@mikekahotea8148]

@@sethb3090 my favorite is the F22 , I've been tracking the review's and found out so much info about it in the past years , to me it's an icon . If you like F35 that's good. I personally don't approve of that plane . F22 is for me yeah 💯👍

[@Russinh0]

SU-57 and F-22: Who are you J-20: im your both but Bing Chilling

[@Baronstone]

LOL dude, the F-22 has an RCS of 0.0001 square meters while the SU-57 and the J-20 have an RCS of 1.0 square meters. They are not in the same league as the SU-57 and J-20 can be detected out to about 157 kilometers while the F-22 doesn't show up on radar until it hits the 16 kilometer range. In other words, by the time you detect the F-22, you are already dead.

[@madanbisht6]

​@@Baronstonehow many air to air kills f22 have

[@idk-vx9fz]

​@@madanbisht6how many does the j20 or su57 have? Also why does that even matter? F35 or f22 can easily take out enemy fighters its not something that has to be proven bruh

[@ali-haider5788]

@@Baronstone su57 have an rcs of 0.037m² The t50 wich is the protoype of the su57 have an rcs of 0.1m²

[@ali-haider5788]

@@idk-vx9fz su57 have the longest air to air kills in history First a su24 from 206km using r37m missile The second kill is a su27 from 220km using also a r37m So the joke is on you

[@FreekaPista]

Can you add captions to your shorts?

[@RovingRoninEDC]

Those forward kinards are 2 great big radar reflectors

[@afrayyy]

kinards

[@ovni2295]

If they're deviated from horizontal, yes. But the idea is these are missile delivery vehicles, not stealth infiltrators like the F-22 or F-35. In that regard, some compromises to stealth might be acceptable. Really, the J-20 has more in common with the stealth upgrade to the F-15. They're both half-stealth missile boats.

[@franmulhern2259]

The simple fact is we don’t know just how good or stealthy it is, and won’t until the time comes to fight it.

[@AjitMD]

Sure the J-20 is primitive compared to F-22 and F-35. However, in combat it is combined arms, numbers, logistics, etc. Hopefully, there will be no war.

[@IntelFormulax]

Yeah peace is the best weapon

[@wakannnai1]

Basically, it's easily tracked. The F-35 can find it easily and will likely be shot down before it gets a chance to even engage an F-35. Sounds like a great job.

[@yuluoxianjun]

months ago,China use a warning jet to find the USA F35 in south China sea,then the J20 get close to F35,until 1km near,F35 then find there is a J20 near

[@dadidadida123]

​@@yuluoxianjunYou don't scare.this guy. Let him live in the dream. Just tell him, China is collapsing soon. They love this.

[@jamestuccillo]

We'll still take them all out before they know what happened...

[@TeenTeenFpv]

Also, the J-20 only has forward facing stealth as well as the SU-57. Take a closer look for 90° angles lol

[@markw208]

Don’t kid yourself. The Chinese have made huge leaps forward in all aspects of industry and military in only a few decades, thanks to Western consumer $$$. The Chinese don’t complain about taxes, they can’t. It costs a national fortune to build and maintain a military. In China you must serve in the military. Our military is drastically shorthanded.

[@user-or3if1zn3w]

I am Chinese and now I have passed the age of joining the military. When I was young, I went to serve in the military because there were too many people and I was not elected

[@ex0duzz]

You are right that China made huge advancement but wrong about Chinese having to serve. China doesn't have conscription unlike south Korea or Taiwan etc.

[@Lightning-lr4bz]

wait I had to serve in military? gosh I mustve missed a phone call

[@QuizmasterLaw]

Great! If true; I take your word at it. How about current Chinese engine production quality?

[@onlyhereformoney175]

​@@jdo8405the WS-10A isn't used on the J-20, it's apparently supposed to have the stopgap WS-10C which is greatly improved, but not the actual engine it was supposed to get, the WS-15A

[@steve4158]

I imagine our intelligence satellites have determined exactly how stealthy the J-20 is, or isn't.

[@Wonderwhoopin]

Commercial radar systems track this thing

[@SomeKrieger]

I find it funny how the F-22’s radar cross section is described as being the size of a bumblebee

[@gups4963]

it varies, there is no one set number. I believe the F-22 is .0001 or .0001

[@loyalhoodini4944]

You posted the same number teice

[@gups4963]

@@loyalhoodini4944 Take away a zero lol. Oh well $hit happens

[@theduke7539]

The Canards cannot be understated in how terrible they are for stealth. plus theres the canopy, replicating stealth glass is not something china ever had the ability to do nor is it something they managed to steal from us. Next. the avionics on both the F22 and F35 are still very classified, so even doing this comparison is something no one outside of the pentagon or lockheed is qualified to talk about

[@TeenTeenFpv]

Thats always been China's problem, they are horrible at designing their own engines. They have been waiting for the WS15 engines for 5 years with little progress.

[@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204]

Making engine is hard tho

[@ChandranPrema123]

Horrible what about F135 engine being so advanced and expensive but so damm unreliable? Like 70% of F35 are grounded due to F135 being so poor in Reliability

[@TeenTeenFpv]

@@ChandranPrema123 agreed. The F-35 is a POS

[@m.w9228]

What about 6 months later? hmm? The situation is reversed now

[@lmcsquaredgreendale3223]

Great to know that China hasn't achieved full stealth capabilities but I wonder if the "friendship without limits" between Putin and President Xi may lead to China building the SU-57 for themselves and for Russia. I hope not.

[@pythonboi5816]

whats the J20 this is the day I realized how much the news is hiding from me

[@seniorslaphead8336]

It's like a bad photocopy of a US jet.

[@SpadesNeil]

I've often said. Russia doesn't scare me. It's a shell of its former self. I've known this since the 2000s. _China_ is what scares me.

[@ASSASIN7-sd5sr]

what scars me more, is Somalia and Afghanistan

[@unkindguy88]

yeah well it can't get wet because the stealth coating would be compromised.

[@foundationrepairman5321]

The idea is when these things first appeared was carried killers. They were meant to make high speed runs to cover the distances over water quickly engage and destroy the carrier and group. This is what they are going to be used for. High speed attack en masse. Everything is geared to nullify the threat the carrier's pose to land forces and therefore infrastructure, keeping them far off if unable to destroy them outright as designed. Doesn't matter how they right or fly, they just have to fly fast and deliver their payloads on target.

[@shawnw6486]

just quit comparing things to Russian military equipment. At this point it's about like comparing things to Mexican military equipment. It's all a joke

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

I think F-22 raptors & F-35 B are 5th generation stealth aircraft....big boost & capability... while 4th generation engines ...and its big size isn't suitable for stealth capability

[@Dr.Westside]

I'm more interested in the j31 which is the direct ripoff of the f-35 .

[@sirdewd2197]

Is the J-20 RCS calculated before or after the removal of the luneberg lens?

[@dbuckleton]

what data do we use to assess the f22 RCS?

[@Yushi232]

STEALTH IS USELESS WHEN ALL U CAN DO IS HIT A WEATHER BALLON

[@Turboy65]

Does it include a phone book so the tiny little pilot can put it on the seat and sit on it so he can see over the dashboard?

[@jd5179]

Arent Indian military agrees that they can detect them using cold war era radars ? -

[@awil8891]

No they can Detctete with ww2 era radrs from. Spain 🇪🇸. To India buy and see j20 Hundars of times per day they can shoot j20 down with gun by a 👦 kids

[@gmb4648]

China best fighter jet successfully connected

[@williamdawson3792]

Pakistan, India, America, Japan, have all had no problems picking up the J-20. It’s not stealth

[@ikeschrager9903]

How long is the j20 shit looks long as hell I’m no pilot but I feel like In a dogfight it would be easy to shoot due to it’s size

[@s.g.r.2773]

The bigger question is how many flight hours will they get out of them.

[@castanza128]

...and the maintenance costs per flight hour. It's Chinese manufacturing, after all.

[@MCapinTV]

not gonna lie... that bird looks nice

[@lance3748]

Dodge once came up with a sports car called stealth. My friend and I were stopped behind a jet black stealth at a freeway exit. My friend said, "look at that stealth." I replied, "where, I don't see it." 😅

[@AbruptandOffensive]

It’s a knockoff Typhoon Eurofigter and I don’t believe in its stealth capabilities for a single second.

[@skymaster4121]

China thinking that a knock-off a F35 is as good as the real deal is like if a guy with absolute no training whatsoever thinks he is Bruce Lee just because he imitates his moves and voice sounds…

[@Hobowolverine17]

The high speed take away from the j20 is that the f35 can see exactly where the j20 is to intercept it. So the j20 is not so stealthy. It's just a long range interceptor, not a true air superiority fighter. If the f35 can see it, then the f22 will creep up on it from behind for a game over using guns instead of missiles since the j20 doesn't have a gun.

[@ShionWinkler]

All the specs for the J-20 come from the reputable source called "Trust me Bro"

[@midnightrider1100]

If you need the canards, you're doing something wrong.

[@garethbgoogle9396]

Bro everything is stealthier than the su 57 😂

[@TL81866]

Fact is.everything shows up.nothing is completely invisible..if you see a fly on radar you better shoot it lol

[@fredmertz1791]

each year, China graduates more engineers.. Than America has in total

[@Grak70]

And yet they can’t seem to develop a US peer fighter.

[@fredmertz1791]

@Grak70 lol, they don't need one.. They just need to make the fighters five times faster than their enemies. In WWII , The Germans had the best tanks and fighters in the world. The Tiger tank, the Germans made about 1350 chassis of Tigers. The Americans made 55,000 Shermans. The Americans made about 19,000 c9mbat aircraft.. The Germans never had a chance. And neither will the Americans when we fight China.

[@Grak70]

@@fredmertz1791 bold to assume a fighter that has a kill ratio over 200:1 needs to be produced at the same rate as one with a thousand times the radar cross section. These J-20 heaps will get their shit kicked in.

[@Grak70]

@IndiAnFasod yeah it’s easy to catch up when you steal everything. And given the results, they haven’t even done a decent job of stealing.

[@Pouncer_Fox]

Here we go. I was wondering where the Chinese trolls were hiding.

[@creamcheese7845]

Did one fly over Taiwan and the Taiwanese military didn’t even know 😂

[@Matterian]

The damn thing is a flying Apartment building. This is a wet paper dragon.

[@sorashirogami1729]

Now, you shouldn't discredit them just yet. Even without stealth, they have a pretty good communications and sensors suite, so even without stealth these guys are pretty much 4.5 gen fighters already. And 4.5 gens shoot missiles all the same.

[@gamingrex2930]

@@sorashirogami1729yeah it’s basically a MIG-31. Hilariously bad in a dogfight. If you can reach it that is. Hilariously good in BVR.

[@Remix2366]

​@@gamingrex2930judging by the canards and delta I wouldn't claim the agility the be low per say

[@Remix2366]

Like to hear that after it shoots down an f15

[@karldoenitz7142]

对对对，你说的都对，你真是个大聪明。

[@adozub3366]

Americans 🇺🇸 be hating 🤣

[@brianargo1659]

Did anyone else see the PVC under the cockpit? I wonder how many more parts on it that was picked up from Home Depot?

[@leeofallon9258]

I pick our F35 for reasons too numerous to list ... and no, I am not biased: a superior machine in every way!

[@tomupchurch4911]

So you drank the Kool-aid...

[@squidysnose69]

Amazing aircraft

[@anguswaterhouse9255]

Highly underrated, lots of people say that it’s made from stolen (-35 and f-22 designs, but if that’s true then it’s using technology from the best fighter jets in the world so it’s still going to be better than almost anything else

[@skyserf]

@@anguswaterhouse9255Unless their implementation of the stolen technology is off. And China *did* steal designs for both the F-22 and the F-35. This has been known since 2014.

[@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204]

​@@anguswaterhouse9255 f22 and mig desgin tho

[@accountantthe3394]

@@didyoumissedmegobareatersk2204 F22s aren't canard deltas tho

[@dallasyap3064]

Could be a good plane, but China doesn't have a whole lot of amazing fighter pilots.

[@aidansweeney9909]

I still don't understand how canards ever make sense on a stealth aircraft.

[@Pouncer_Fox]

It doesn't, at least not for stealth. However, it's a cheap and easy workaround for their selected airframe. Sometimes it's not about building the perfect aircraft, but rather, being able to produce a good enough aircraft, in enough quantities, and do so at a reasonable enough price point. As such, there are always going to be compromises.

[@destinyangel5]

F22 has those special letter box exhaust nozzle that mask heat and therefore is even more stealth , whereas the china jet and Russian equivalent still use conventional vectoring exhaust nozzles . These exhausts are not stealthy . Somebody got the wrong blue prints when they tried to copy the F22 .

[@toddabbott781]

The F-35 and the AIM-260 would eat those J-20 alive. They are going to detect the J-20 much earlier and be able to fire the AIM-120 long before the J-20 knows what is going on. They can direct the AIM-260 to go out to the side and come in where the J-20 has a MUCH larger radar and IR signature. The missile can then hunt for a lock using Passive radar like the HARM missile does if the J-20 is actively scanning for enemies and as it gets closer get a lock with IR like the AIM-9x does and use both to score a hit. If the J-20 detects the AIM-260 and deploys flares and turns off its radar (both will likely not work anyways) the AIM-260 can switch on active radar like the AIM-120 has. With the range of 200km and speed of Mach 5 it is highly unlikely the J-20 will survive. Meanwhile the F-35 has moved out of the area to find another target and the J-20 never knew it was there until likely when the AIM-260 strikes.

[@yuluoxianjun]

F35 radar is worse than j20

[@toddabbott781]

@@yuluoxianjun On paper maybe. The problem with a brutal dictator is that he tends to be surrounded by yes-men that will only tell him what he wants to hear and not what really happens. This means things like GDP numbers are basically made up to make him happy and the true capabilities is likely far short of what the white papers say.

[@jaek__]

​@@yuluoxianjunnot worse, they are suited for different roles, they're comparable otherwise, the f35 still has a sensor/electronic advantage

[@hellogoodbyestaysavage6283]

source : trust me bro

[@azerovc]

It is so funny everyone believes F-22 invisibility fairytales...

[@antonjaden2482]

ahhh....its putin n jinping deal...putin: help us, we need ammo,and other jinping: ok, help my ws15

[@smithyMcjoe]

So essentiually "not great, better than the su57, but will proceed to be clapped by 35s if they ever kick off" is what I'm picking up.

[@bipolarspock6145]

India said they have easily tracked it.

[@bleekskaduwee6762]

Wonder where they got the stealth tech

[@imrekalman9044]

Russia, industrial spying and having 15 times as many engineers than the US. They are not stupid you know.

[@douginorlando6260]

Designed to do one thing the best … ambush. High speed, long range, stealth from the front quadrant, large weapons bay, large missiles, large radar. And because they did not make it a “Jack of all trades, master of none”, it has the performance to be very successful

[@UncleSamsDeplorable]

Is that rcs considered stealth or more like reduced visibilty?

[@m.amonroy4465]

no alien technology, f22, su57, j20 all of them have the same technology

[@neooblisk0084]

If it has a fancy decorative paint scheme... its not very stealthy

[@Kira-ji5pr]

Doesn’t matter . F22 or F35 or J20 , their radar signature will be high when loaded with weapons .✌️🫶🏽

[@timothychung4811]

I love amateur experts thinking they know about something that has no information. Stealth is not just coating and physical design.😴

[@harrishromero6447]

Arguments you know about stealth

[@Cheka__]

We'll probably find out soon enough.

[@Thebootlegengineer]

It can’t be worse than the su 57 beracut

[@mirbalochkhan6380]

Well i think that J 20 is good and china has huge number of these aircrafts which basically proves that it has something and never underestimate your opponent as old saying

[@harrishromero6447]

J-20 is decent not good

[@dmr123kkla]

What is Stealth. I say stealth is just a figment of one imagination. EXAMPLE: If I have a hot radar sweeping my terrain. And I know there are no Aves species in the area and have never been in the area. And if they were they would not be moving at the speed of a jet fighter. So if I'm mending the radar and the Sam Unit. I don't care how small the Stealth fighter reflection it is or supposed to be. I know it's not a bird or a flock of birds. Therefore I'm going to let go everything I have at it or them.

[@user-ik3xt1bx2n]

I believe nothing this person says

[@abhopkins9330]

This thing is nowhere close to American tech, because having a laser dot to see vs knowing everythings position is a big difference. It will loose against American tech in most circumstances.

[@mike4769]

Chinese stealth = rivets exposed

[@lambo_centernario9064]

Russian stealth = exposed phillips head screws holding the whole aircraft together

[@ChandranPrema123]

Well even F22 have Rivets exposed if you look closely at the nose cone section

[@PavelAVasilevich]

​@@lambo_centernario9064 Source Trust me bro

[@lambo_centernario9064]

@@PavelAVasilevich source: videos of the su 57 from Russian sites

[@Roguecjb]

​@@PavelAVasilevich Lol cope

[@bobkohl6779]

Alex,these are going to end up on Tik Tok. Thar's a huge problem due to copywrite problems

[@shabbired]

So how do you know felons RCS..??

[@wstavis3135]

Some "experts" have wildly differing WAGs....

[@tomte47]

"Based on the most most advance weapon that an F-22 block 20 can carry now, it is not competitive with the J-20 with the most advance weapons the Chinese can put on it." LtGen Richard G. Moore, USAF, Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans and Programs From a US House Armed Services Committee March 29, 2023 block 20 are the first 33 planes built that are missing upgrades found in later batches.

[@RSCB]

Still can't beat the Russian van lol

[@chikencat4323]

Quick explanation so china tracked down a crashed F-117 with all the advanced stealth technologies in the multi billion dollar nighthawk they bought it for around 1 billion ish so then they took all the advanced stealth technologies and paint and got some inspiration from the Typhoon and then they made the J-20

[@youtubewatcher4792]

The J20 strikes me as this generations MIG25. I have a feeling this will do little, but scare the US into working harder on leap frogging everyone with its gen 6th fighter program.

[@worldwanderer91]

you mean mig-35

[@wilfdarr]

"But when the new engines go into mass production..." You mean like the engines for the J-11? Or the radar that the Q-5 never got? Don't hold your breath! While living in ZhuCheng, China I often saw the Q-5 flying training missions, And even loaded for flight training, it had a worse clime rate than a fully loaded B-52. It was just embarrassing! China talks a good game, but their batting average is worse than mine...

[@Dyk349]

Is technology between America and Russia combined…

[@lolsomeyoutuber.1425]

J-20 might dragon? more like J-20 draggin cross the runway i may or may not have stolen this

[@davidav8orpflanz561]

But, Maverick could still shoot down a J-20 of any version with an old battlefield commodered F-14 Tomcat... "It's not the plane, it's the pilot".

[@ovni2295]

Everything I've heard about this jet suggests its relative lack of stealthiness does not hurt its intended usage. Its goal is to fly in with its relatively stealthy front towards the enemy, release missiles, and then bug out at high speed before the enemy can scramble anything to intercept it. In that regard, it doesn't matter if you see it, because by the time you do, it has already launched missiles and is on its way out of the combat zone. I do not know how much of that is true or even plausible, but it sounds reasonable to my untrained ear.