How GOOD was Flareon ACTUALLY? - History of Flareon in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 1-6)

[@smackjack78]

Flareon looks like the perfect Pokémon to cuddle with on a snowy day.

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

to keep itself cool it can fluff its collar which in turn takes the heat out of itself and puts it into the air around itself so you would be correct its like a living heater

[@andreweick8111]

YES THAT IS WHY

[@wazemo2764]

Vaporeon is a perfect pokemon to go to the beach with.

[@goldenhydreigon4727]

Unlike Luxray who would probably freeze to death.

[@dr.dylansgame5583]

@@wazemo2764 not necessarily while its good for fun in the water flareon would be perfect for a near instant beach bbq and could warm the water around you to boot if your like me and hate how long it takes for your body to heat up in the water and all it has to do is walk in since it radiates heat off of its body to keep itself cool or if it doesnt feel like it just ask it to flamethrower the water for a good minute and it should stay warm

[@miau3615]

Flareon: Please gamefreak, buff me :( Gamefreak: Let's give Charizard another buff epic form

[@abarette_]

lmao Also why wasn't Flareon able to learn Flare Blitz. Just why.

[@Jamie-zc8nv]

@@abarette_ it can now

[@abarette_]

@@Jamie-zc8nv yea

[@coldore6734]

Btw in gen 5 charizard was in the same tier as flareon so it also deserved a mega

[@garryoak]

Do you know how many slowpokes we have now.

[@KynceShadowsong]

this... physically hurts to watch

[@ethanotoroculus1060]

It's absolutely flabbergasting how many times he consecutively manages to crush our dreams...

[@joshuakim5240]

It honestly feels like i'm watching a documentary of an abusive pet owner (Gamefreak) beating a whimpering helpless pet animal that's trying its best to please an unpleasable master (Flareon...).

[@Smogfellows]

joshua kim Remember kids, Pokemon isn’t Hentai.

[@LordTyph]

+Tenderkats That's because it's animal abuse.

[@nmacadam1410]

Kynce Shadowsong yes it does

[@mathewricafrente5984]

I have a feeling that whoever made Flareon's stats simply hated it and sits next to the guy that hates Sandslash and the desk of the guy who used to hate Pelipper.

[@justalurker3489]

Mathew Ricafrente And hangs out with the guy who hates Dunsparce

[@kasper7574]

Mathew Ricafrente im pretty sure these guys are all the same person, and i think the dude just hates pokemon...

[@MrPuffer69]

I mean at least pellipper is decent now.

[@sayvionwashington1939]

I was the guy who hates Pelipper and still does, but the others were pretending to be Pelipper super fans just to piss me off! So I gave it Drizzle as a joke!

[@pepeknight]

Horny Pastry Puffer Decent would be an understatement. Pelipper is the only Weather Setter in OU that has reliable recovery and ability to keep momentum with U-Turn. Oh and it can Defog too

[@reloadpsi]

We don't care if Flareon sucks - it's so damn adorable anyway.

[@Wilsontripplets]

It needs its special attack put into hp or defense (preferably hp) to make it a solkd revenge killer. With a fire terratype flareon i nearly 1 shot a torkoal with sun, flash fire and flare blitz while having the terra type boost it was glorious.

[@jacktheomnithere2127]

@@Wilsontripplets or just swap around his Attack and Special Attack stats, while increasing the other stats.

[@araucanoraptorargentinus3973]

Hey everyone, did you know that in terms of competitive gameplay, Flareon is the most useless eeveelution for the job? While it does have an impressive attack stat of 130, which might be tempting for some people to use it for the big dance, what they don’t know is that the rest of its stats are a literal dumpster fire. I mean, do you think you're going to get far with a defense stat of 60? The answer is nope. Its speed and HP stat of 65 won't help matters either. Besides, what does this thing have going for it? Last Resort and Lava Plume, and that's pretty much it. Not to mention that Flareon couldn't even learn Flare Blitz until Generation VI, which sounds nice until you remember the move has recoil damage. With its abysmal HP, atrocious special attack, woeful speed, and horrible defense, Flareon will inevitably be the first Pokémon on your team to faint, which will happen a lot unless you keep healing it or swap it out for something useful. However, there is actually a way for you to make your Flareon really useful, and I know the process for it, too. First, you need to kill your Flareon with any method you see fit. It doesn't matter if it's quick or slow. The only thing that matters is that it's dead. After that, you need to skin its corpse for its fur in order to create something like a fur scarf, a pillowcase, or a towel, depending on your personal preference. But if that doesn't work, then you can go obtain multiple Flareons and keep repeating the process to obtain more fur to create larger objects like fur coats, blankets, bedsheets, rugs, etc. Also, since its fur can reach high temperatures, you'll never experience hypothermia again.

[@Bass_player20]

@@araucanoraptorargentinus3973you a hater

[@Suika_Ibuki_The_Drunk_Oni]

Poor Flareon. He definetly deserved better! He has always been my fav eevelution design wise! But Sadly, it is a pokemon that is pretty unsalvageable. Unless it got some super broken ability like Speed boost or Huge power, (and even then i dont think it would be top tier.) Pretty much everything holds flareon back, it's not even slow enough for a Trick room team!

[@MarisaKirisameFumo]

#FlareonNeedsABuff

[@NSArkana]

This sucks too flareon has become one of my favorite eeveelutions in the past year. Thanks to Drayano's difficulty hacks. The hacl gave flareon more speed a bit more bulk less special and a MUCH better movepool. Poor flareon I love that change cuddly little powerhouse

[@mrorcadood]

Drayano was the guy who made Sacred Gold and Blaze Black (2) right?

[@NSArkana]

orcawhale5123 yeah he was

[@noukan42]

A fire type pixillate imo is the only thing whitout a stats overhaul. Quick attack and return would be quite nasty

[@muddak3292]

How Good was Flygon actually?

[@shiennohajime1495]

@The Slow Bro Zygarde is banned at the current being (yes, even the 50%) and Flygon still isn't OU. Flygon is... decent. Has Levitate, better speed than Dragonite but lacks the latter's kicking power, got Dragon Dance, still gets destroyed by Ice Beam, Fairies and Bronzong... But it managed to find itself a spot in the RU's olympus. It's gucci.

[@MapCRimSoNCobRa117]

TENTACRUEL is probably the best gen 1 pokemon that also was very successful in later gens that hasn't had a video yet. We need a video of it. PS: @9:40 Incineroar is also a slow fire type that is weak to Rockslide, EQ, and Surf, yet is the #1 pokemon in gen 7 vgc. Obviously flareon blows in doubles, and Incineroar is just overall better, but clearly those things aren't the only reasons why.

[@maskofthedragon]

oh, hey a real comment

[@nothankyou4859]

Weezing too. Became a great physical wall in gen 3

[@Earthboundmike]

I want tangela/tangrowth personally. But I'll get behind tentacruel.

[@afrohero9]

Miss your content :/

[@MapCRimSoNCobRa117]

sure, weezing was good for 1 gen, but Tentacruel was a top level threat in gen 2 and Gen 5, while also not being complete garbage in gen 1, 3 or 4. Weezing was kindof poopy in every other gen aside maybe gen 4, and honestly was pretty nitch in gen 3. It walled maybe a handful of specific pokemon with specific sets, wheras tentacruel was a huge sweeping threat in gen 2 and Satan's dream creation in gen 5.

[@ZdsGaming]

Flareon is still one of my ABSOLUTE favorite Eeveelutions, regardless of how bad it is in competitive, because the whole mixed attacking stats thing is the reason I've been so drawn to it. Letting loose Guts Boosted Superpowers, and the occasional Iron Tail or Facade, along with nuking physical tanks with Fire Blast, and taking down Swampert and Quagsire with HP grass, or even murdering weakened ghost and psychic types with either a Guts Boosted Bite, or unboosted Shadow Ball is just so much fun to do!

[@Chris_winthers]

DOME FOLLOWER

[@jackdiddles4304]

hail lord dome :)

[@GwyndolinSimp]

well well, interesting. might give it a try.

[@Aex89]

YESSS , THAT'S WHAT MAH BOI FLAREON CAN DO!!!!, ITS PRETTY 🔥 🔥

[@araucanoraptorargentinus3973]

Hey everyone, did you know that in terms of competitive gameplay, Flareon is the most useless eeveelution for the job? While it does have an impressive attack stat of 130, which might be tempting for some people to use it for the big dance, what they don’t know is that the rest of its stats are a literal dumpster fire. I mean, do you think you're going to get far with a defense stat of 60? The answer is nope. Its speed and HP stat of 65 won't help matters either. Besides, what does this thing have going for it? Last Resort and Lava Plume, and that's pretty much it. Not to mention that Flareon couldn't even learn Flare Blitz until Generation VI, which sounds nice until you remember the move has recoil damage. With its abysmal HP, atrocious special attack, woeful speed, and horrible defense, Flareon will inevitably be the first Pokémon on your team to faint, which will happen a lot unless you keep healing it or swap it out for something useful. However, there is actually a way for you to make your Flareon really useful, and I know the process for it, too. First, you need to kill your Flareon with any method you see fit. It doesn't matter if it's quick or slow. The only thing that matters is that it's dead. After that, you need to skin its corpse for its fur in order to create something like a fur scarf, a pillowcase, or a towel, depending on your personal preference. But if that doesn't work, then you can go obtain multiple Flareons and keep repeating the process to obtain more fur to create larger objects like fur coats, blankets, bedsheets, rugs, etc. Also, since its fur can reach high temperatures, you'll never experience hypothermia again.

[@DerSamalander]

How GOOD were Misdreavus and Mismagius ACTUALLY?

[@Biyn_acc2]

Hallo Samalander

[@DerSamalander]

Hi :)

[@yeet133]

Yes pls these ones

[@Bigassboya]

Ditto! Not the Pokemon, I mean... well you know what I mean

[@DerSamalander]

:D

[@Lotus_RT]

It's been mentioned a lot before, so let's give it its own video now... How good was Dugtrio ACTUALLY?

[@mrsuperheatran2794]

I'd rather wait until he can do gen 7 to cover Dugtrio.

[@gogomarioloshi]

Ye

[@latsati9127]

Yes dugtrio I have been asking

[@Lotus_RT]

It's kind of a similar case to Magneton. The only reason normal Dugtrio is in PU (and not really going to move out of it either) for Gen 7 is because Arena Trap got banned. As for Alolan Dugtrio, it kind of sucks :P Both forms are just too frail. Dugtrio could make it work because of Arena Trap, but Alolan Dugtrio can't because it doesn't have that ability

[@Ego-Fiend]

Eternity_Lotus Why just why

[@BlueWolfZero]

In the dawn of Sword and Shield, Flareon had the tiniest of minuscule, infinitesimal, microscopic niches in OU of being able to check Clefable.

[@r3io4mf]

@@sirdabsalot1yt83 ahem heavy duty boots

[@PinkGoldAbby]

@@r3io4mf Or spikes. Or water, rock, and ground moves. Or like...anything strong enough to surpass base 60-65 defenses. -_-

[@r3io4mf]

@@PinkGoldAbby spikes still gets blocked by HDB

[@CenetaurmanE52]

For a while it wasn't even truly a niche Pokemon. Not only did it check Clefable and potentially scare it out, it was also a terrifying prospect for Corviknight and Ferrothorn as well, who even with maximum physical bulk investment would still get absolutely hammered by Flare Blitz. Being a legitimately intimidating threat to three of the best Pokemon in the tier while being able to use Heal Bell & Wish meant that while Flareon wasn't amazing, it had a legitimate place in the meta.

[@DarkPurpleDude]

The fact that Flareon was the only survivor in my Pokemon Red Monotype Fire Nuzlocke makes it even more painful to see how bad it is. There's probably not a single other Pokemon that I want to be good more than Flareon. Poor thing just got screwed over at every turn.

[@ChibiRuah]

Yea its really sad to see Flareon just not get what it needs to be competitive

[@Thesaurus_Rex]

I mean, what it would need to be good is a different stat spread. By the time the physical/special split happened and had the potential to help Flareon (which it really didn't), its stats were just so outclassed that its movepool no longer mattered. The damage was done all the way back in gen 2. But, personally, it wouldn't sit right with me for one of the Eeveelutions to have a higher stat total, or different stat distribution, than the others. That's part of their charm to me, even if holds back Flareon.

[@AsianWithHat]

*How GOOD was Swampert ACTUALLY?* *I WILL NEVER GIVE UP*

[@maverick12070]

True. I will never give up either. We need Swampert

[@YurBoySpaceManSkippy]

AsianWithHat How good was Sceptile actually B)

[@ValidationOff]

Swampert was amazing and we want it!

[@blaziken0451]

AsianWithHat let start the Hoenn starter

[@rcwynn21]

Same

[@daemian3878]

FSG: remember when you could buy the elemental stones Me: *playing ultra sun* uuuhhhh yup

[@ronswanson7371]

daemian you still can

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

(Drags out my chest of free Evolution Stones.) Ah yes. _the Dark Ages..._

[@AtrumDelorox]

Flareon desperately needs its own species specific physical fire type move with no drawbacks, and immense base power. Even then, I doubt it'd be OU. But it might at least be UU.

[@pierre1069.]

100 bp fire move with a speed boost

[@crabrave413]

I'll name this move that will never exist... blast spark! Speed boost always goes first and 100 percent accuracy with a 30% chance to burn and if it burns it will increase his physical attack 20% up to 6 times and no recoil with it being learned at around level 40-50

[@ducklett01god]

@@crabrave413 doubles would have a mimic niche

[@bluemew22]

and said physical Fire move is added to the short list of moves that Smeargle can't keep

[@tylerd1297]

@@bluemew22 why would it be dangerous for smeargle? I feel like I should know and don't lol

[@Iinneus]

How good were *Murkrow* and *Honchkrow* ? Damn, what's it say about Meganium when even Flareon was able to gather quicker support?

[@Metroid4ever]

Flareon is cuter, that's really its only benefit!

[@davidstevens3831]

Meganium isn’t good or bad enough to be known. Flareon is

[@Earthboundmike]

But mr stake

[@TempestMauve]

Linneus Nah, I'd still put Torterra beneath Meganium or Evolite Baleef.

[@SmashGuyROA]

Meganium > Flareon

[@r0yalpsych049]

Flareon really does deserve better... He's always been my favorite of the eeveelutions.

[@TrueTexican940]

Same here, my favorite Eevee Evolution

[@markshadow02]

Really? I thought flareon was kind of bland.

[@TheRedStinger82]

@@thesonicfan2176 hey welcome to the club lol

[@TheRedStinger82]

@@thesonicfan2176 I used one on my moon team that managed to take out Lusamine's entire team when paralyzed. Yeah… but that isn't the only reason why it's my favorite

[@TheRedStinger82]

@@thesonicfan2176 I kinda just saw some art of it and I fell in love with it

[@apslup]

How Good was Swampart Actually?!

[@redwings13400]

Flareon has a lot of power, but doesn't have the speed or bulk to use that power, and is weak to stealth rocks. You can't survive in Pokemon with a base 65 hp and speed, you need one or the other in order to actually get an attack in, and Flareon has neither. Its also completely outclassed as a powerful physical fire type by Entei, Infernape, Darmanitan, and even Arcanine, which are faster and bulkier, while still packing a powerful punch.

[@kaelanmcalpine2011]

I mean, I guess you can maybe make use of it in a normal playthrough of Pokemon and it could work there. Competitive it's complete shit sure but hey, at least I have an idea who to include as my strange one in my first Mono-Fire type Pokemon run, even though Arcanine exists in Ultra Moon but I'm using that for my Popplio playthrough.

[@redwings13400]

Kaelan McAlpine you can use anything in a normal play through of Pokemon and have it work. It can even work in competitive in the right circumstances, just those circumstances are few and far between. You should use what you want to use. That said, flareon sounds really tough to make stand out in a mono fire team. Its moveset offers it absolutely nothing against Pokemon that counter fires (golem/rhydon/waters), and it will beat the Pokemon literally everyone else on your team can beat too. Good luck, I hope you find a good use for it.

[@kaelanmcalpine2011]

Well about the first part, I'm sure there's exceptions to that though, which I guess would be any Pokemon with a BST of

[@redwings13400]

Both pokemon seem pretty good in mono-fairy, Mr Mime especially because its psychic type moves can beat poison types (gardevoir is probably technically better for this role but both would work). Again, you can make anything work in pokemon, but for mono-type teams, secondary types that counter types that you're weak to are pretty useful. Azumarill or Primarina would be a good addition to that team because they can beat steel types, especially primarina since most steels are physically defensive. People have completed pokemon games with a single magikarp, though, the leveling system and items make the game relatively trivial if you're willing to do enough grinding (I mean, Twitch can beat pokemon games). Certain pokemon will struggle more than others though, and a good team composition helps you beat the game at lower levels/with fewer/no items.

[@redwings13400]

Just by the way, I'm not meaning to discourage you from doing monotype teams, it can be a pretty fun limitation. I've done it in the past with ghost, psychic, and steel teams before in game, and enjoyed it. Trying to create workable teams using limitations like that is something I really enjoy doing, definitely worthwhile. If I were creating a fire type monoteam I'd try to get pokemon that learn solarbeam and sunny day, and go all out with the fire type theme, while also getting good pokemon with secondary typings.

[@elementz6490]

How good was LORD HELIX actually?

[@Glasseshoodman]

How good was Scyther, actually? We've had teases in the Scizor and Steelix episodes, the time is now

[@AFreshHotBun]

Goose Hudson it was bad

[@williamduffy5631]

No way don't do that it's pointless Scyther sucks

[@aceclover758]

Syther would be interesting. It was bad but not as bad as Flareon. Always fluttered between RU and UU

[@sadweedle6832]

William Duffy eviolite scyther pretty good.

[@sealandrelevant1310]

Scyther was certainly limited and underwhelming in its early days but now, in spite of the typing, has become solid as the years gave it tools ranging from Roost to Technician to Eviolite. The stats and movepool also make multiple kinds of sets viable, both tanky and highly aggressive ones.

[@shannonjensen8934]

I don’t care what they say! Flareon is and will always be my favorite Pokémon. It can be strong if it wants to be! I really wish the developers will just help it. Like please! So many people love flareon and it’s sad that it’s so weak. I just wish they will be nicer to it

[@Alex-yy5wo]

Flareon is awesome

[@TheRedStinger82]

Looks like I found someone else who said that this is their favorite too

[@ricardonarvaez2696]

How good was METAGROSS actually?

[@GuardianDiancie]

Thunder Eagle lol

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

How Good was Exeggutor ACTUALLY?

[@PalmTree457]

Yes! We need this!

[@kristopheraguero1500]

As much as I want forrestres, I'd love to see this!

[@yaboidragonitehere1137]

Good, but it's movepool is narrow. Like Typhlosion

[@bluewulv]

It really pisses me off since fire's my favorite type

[@ronswanson7371]

Danny Furrison same

[@terrariaskeletonpre1.0.39]

how *GOOD* was sableye actually?

[@thomashoughton5270]

Byron Slowe i personally swept through the ghost type elite 4 member with sableye but throughout most of the game it didnt do much aside from the psychic type gym too. However it did beat juans wailord in emerald

[@yungmuney5903]

Byron Slowe Thats a funny way of spelling Mega Sableye

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

Actually, that's not 100% accurate: Sableye had a decent niche carved out for itself in gen5 thanks to it gaining Prankster as it's hidden ability; it even can put it to good use if you don't want to Mega it right away, such as to use Taunt on something to stop it from being able to set up, for example. It's other abilities, Keen Eye and Stall, are trash, no two ways about it, and even with Prankster, while Sableye wasn't amazing (it still had it's bad stats and lackluster typing that gave it little it the way of resistances to capitalize on holding it back), but at the very least it was SOMETHING to make it a little bit relevant. It even got placed in a higher tier than Spiritomb on Smogon in gen5 all because of that ability, and the fact that it had the moves to take advantage of it made a difference: it's actually the same reason as to why Smeargle is not that bad; it's stats might be trash, but the tools it does have give it enough to set it apart and give people a reason to actually consider it for their team.

[@wekered5968]

How good is swampert?!

[@gengarzilla1685]

I'd personally like to see how a Fluffy or Fur Coat Flareon would hold up and which Smogon tier it might reach as they're both fitting abilities that work to patch up its physical frailty. Honestly, it just bothers me how freaking Heatmor got more love in Gen VII than Flareon.

[@shimogane2474]

How about Drought?

[@starduststriker8792]

@@shimogane2474 drought wouldn't really fix its mix of physical frailty, poor movepool, and subtier speed, not even the drop to water moves, as that still leaves it wide open to get rekt by earthquakes and stone edges. if it got solar blade along with drought though? oh, imagine the carnage that would cause...

[@TARINunit9]

Fluffy doesn't sound like it would help much. You get rid of a Flareon with Earthquake, Rock Slide, and water moves, none of which make contact. Fur Coat MIGHT help, giving it a de facto 120 defense. This won't protect it from water, but it does stop Earthquake, Rock Slide, and fighting moves

[@GIR177]

@@TARINunit9 Abilities like Fur Coat and Huge Power don't double the Pokémon's base stat, they double the actual stat. So Huge Power does not give Azumarill base 100 Attack (Base 50 x 2), but actually the equivalent of base 149 Attack when fully invested (218 x 2 = 436).

[@saltpoweredrobot5625]

Flareon in my opinion needs these changes to be somewhat decent: Its stats get swapped around: This: HP: 65 Attack: 130 Defense: 60 Sp. Atk: 95 Sp. Def: 110 Speed: 65 Becomes this: HP: 65 Attack: 130 Defense: 60 Sp. Atk: 110 Sp. Def: 65 Speed: 95 Now its speed isn't horrible, and it can now actually use its numerous special fire moves along with its few physical. These stats still follow the pattern followed by all Eveelutions, and isn't currently in use by any of them (Fucking Buff Flareon before you make another Eveelution Gamefreak!) Next, get rid of Guts, and give it either Drought or Fur Coat as hidden abilities, or even both as some Pokémon get three abilities anyway (guess you would have to do the same to the other Eveelutions, but I doubt anyone would complain about that). Drought lets it function both as a Sun Team setup, and also helps it in a solo sense as it will buff its fire moves, and help it when given specific moves mentioned below. Fur Coat (as you mentioned before) would patch up it's physical fragility quite a bit, and would be a great ability for a Special focused Flareon, as it wouldn't have to worry about losing health with recoil moves, AND its somewhat bulky to boot. Guts isn't all that useful (imo) as a hidden ability. It could be instead used to replace Flash Fire, which is quite frankly a horrible ability as it's so situational and hard to take advantage of (compared to Guts, which you can consistently take advantage of). New Moves: Solar Beam (Flareon is the only fully evolved fire type who can't learn it), Morning Sun, Wild Charge, Dragon Rush, Crunch (Bite alternative), Flame Wheel (not super important, but the more physical fire moves the merrier), Close Combat, and Cotton Guard (Flareon is already a fluffy Pokémon, it fits imo). Having Drought as an ability would make Solar Beam incredible on it as coverage to deal with its to biggest weaknesses: Water and Ground, and Morning Sun's incredible healing capabilities under the Intense Sun effect would keep Flareon in the fight longer when using recoil inducing moves. Wild Charge is another great coverage option that is physical, and Dragon Rush is incredibly strong, with Flinch potential. Cotton Guard would also let a Drought Flareon become bulky enough to take a few hits if it doesn't have the Fur Coat ability. Also, Close Combat is really there -for the memes- because it already learns Superpower, so Close Combat isn't that much of a stretch. Also, Superpower cuts Flareon's Attack and Defense, while Close Combat cuts Defense and Sp. Defense, so having both moves would be giving the player the choice between which stats they want to lower. Granted, all of this does NOT make Flareon OU material. Pure Fire typing is horrible, and there are other Pokémon that have better movepools and more unique gimmicks that Flareon can't really compete with. That being said this change would hopefully make Flareon at the very least comparable to the other popular Eveelutions like Jolteon, Espeon, and Umbreon (maybe not as popular as Vaporeon or Sylveon though).

[@AyranLP]

How GOOD was MILOTIC actually? Fishes tend to live a long time. That is why the milotic fishsquad will forever keep on fightig for our own video!

[@lastbastion3333]

Emin Gani agree with this

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

Milotic? The very definition of a bulky water type? I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it's been in more or less the same tier it always has been since it's introduction. One of my favourite and most rewarding mons IG but I've never used her competitively.

[@lastbastion3333]

Actor Adam Anouer she was great comp wise for a long time

[@firebird1080]

She?

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

Yeah that tail fan is based off a geisha, I'm not calling it a he unless we're going back to Thailand lol.

[@coderedgordon521]

Sceptile, Blaziken, or Swampert next please, I love to see you talk about Gen 3 starters!

[@SkillHunterThousandManPlan]

hes alr covered them both

[@sosams]

Update to Gen 7 and Gen 8: Gen 7 was the same old story for Flareon. It was PU. On the good side, PU was lacking on Fire types (are you really going to use things like Magcargo? Ugh) so it was maybe a good check to things like Abomasnow or the dreaded Eviolite Ferroseed/Tangela, right? Sadly, no. Flareon was outclassed by Combusken of all things and the PU meta was unkind to it, with things like Carracosta, Jellicent, and both of Kanto fossils. So... Untiered. Gen 8 was an attempt for Flareon to use a Specially Defensive Set. Wish+Protect, Toxic, Heal Bell or Will-O-Wisp, and Flare Blitz or Lava Plume. It had a very little niche in OU, for checking Clefable and Rotom Heat, apart from scare Ferrothorn, and... Yup, little niche means drop all the way down, to NU. In NU, its mission was to scare Abomasnow and some Rotom appliances, but it was both stopped cold (pun intended) and outclassed as a Fire type by Rapidash, which also had Flash Fire and only minded a potential Toxic. So... Down to PU, where once again it is one of the very few Fire types in a tier full of Water and Rock types (geez, this is just cruel), alongside Heatmor and Raboot.

[@NecroVMX]

How GOOD was Muk ACTUALLY?

[@SpearMKW]

How good was Leafeon actually?

[@hezhang8843]

SpearMKW aka ζρεαr My favorite eeveelution

[@haisex3]

Shit

[@Zendvious]

As bad as flareon

[@ArchinaGM]

Leafeon: It's like Flareon, except with a decent stat spread. Good enough to use, just not good enough to write to home about.

[@Vawk20]

Better than Flareon and Glaceon, almost as good as Jolteon, worse than the others

[@MrDavidKord]

I used my game modifier to give Flareon 95 HP and 65 Special Attack, along with an early flame wheel. Turned him into a special wall with wallbreaking capabilities. Here was pretty cool! No vaporeon, but definitely more viable. Access to will o the wisp and wish gave him answers to physical attacks, too.

[@nathanturkstra2723]

How GOOD was flygon ACTUALLY? - History of Flygon in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 3-6) ^all here to be copied and pasted for the next video

[@itjustworks1858]

Discount garchomp

[@trainerrichard6859]

N8 Turkystraw Gen 3: the og dragon ground type Get 4-forever: everyone chose garchomp 😞

[@andypang1677]

N8 Turkystraw u missed a capital letter 4 flygon

[@linkychu1740]

Gen 1 Battling EXPLAINED Part 3? Please it’s been almost a year since part 2

[@markrodriguez4586]

Either that, or how good was Mewtwo

[@Kreeschon]

Agreed!

[@novadreamer1779]

There was a part 2?!

[@polypolar715]

Shimmer me tentacles 🐙 how GOOD was TENTACRUEL actually??

[@PinkGoldAbby]

My pfp is offended

[@lususnaturae3082]

How good was Milotic actually ?

[@ScytherKB]

My Flareon was amazing in my LeafGreen version and that’s something you can never take away from me :) idc, yeah maybe it was bad competitively, but I still cherished it like a legendary

[@aceclover758]

Same with mine in Black 2. My strongest Pokemon

[@thedreamsoldiers]

What movset you use 🤔

[@berylnivens9756]

RBKB24 I agree, I thought flareon was badass in the original gameboy color games as well

[@bryanbridges2987]

I have been noticing a pattern, where pokemon that are just fine in the games perform differently in competitive.

[@fizz9698]

Never seen again lmao what a dumbass

[@Alex_Off-Beat]

How good was ROTOM Actually!? The only Pokemon that's a threat no matter what tier you play.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

He's right.

[@fulgenzio89]

Alex Golembeski It would need 6 videos

[@Alex_Off-Beat]

Il sudore di Greta Menchi è il mio collutorio Not Necessarily, I think it could be done in 2 or 3. Since all the Rotom forms played pretty much the same in Gen 4 since they all had the same type he could do one video on Normal Rotom in Gens 4, 5, and 6, One on the different forms in Gens 4 and 5, and then maybe one on the different forms in Gen 6 if he couldn't fit it into the second one. Or he could put the Gen 4 forms into the normal Rotom video and then cover the forms in BW and XY in a separate one.

[@smaragdchaos]

Rotom Wash is great

[@fulgenzio89]

Alex Golembeski Yeah you're right. I like your idea.

[@pawsti]

How GOOD Was Marowak ACTUALLY?

[@ompelukello]

YES.

[@cabooseDace]

How good was Metagross ACTUALLY? We need this!

[@WishfulAK]

How GOOD was Tentacruel actually? That thing is literally everywhere you use Surf, with the exception of Black and White.

[@TheReZisTLust]

And sword and shield

[@shadowtitanx3962]

@@TheReZisTLust Isle of Armor: Am I a joke to you?

[@zubair-rp1ie]

Tentacruel was and is amazing, at least in uu

[@FanofZ]

It doesn't matter what is said- That Pokemon Stadium Flareon ass shake is god tier-

[@azakayen1268]

Keldeo SwordXD Has it been GIFed? (Lenny)

[@jaythephoenix]

Looks like my boy flareon has nothing at all. Nothing at all Nothing at all

[@diamondstormed9006]

Ugh! Stupid Sexy Flareon lol.

[@change5190]

Glaceon is best girl in my opinion But she got a cold heart..

[@pittigsappig8354]

How GOOD were Yanma and Yanmega ACTUALLY?

[@firebird1080]

YES! Someone else that wants this lol

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

Yanma honestly sucked, but Yanmega is actually pretty decent. 2 solid abilities in Tinted Lens and Speed Boost give it some fun toys to play around with, and it's stats (whilst not exactly great) are pretty good, too. It's still held back by it's typing (bug/flying isn't very good, and loses 1/2 HP because of Stealth Rock) and not having the greatest movepool in the world. It's not as bad as, say, Vespiquen, but to be honest, it could be significantly better.

[@firebird1080]

I knew all that. It's just fun to hear him shit talk one Pokemon before it gets better. And I want to hear him mention Mega Yanmega lol

[@EmeralBookwise]

I used to run an evolution set nicknamed after Egyptian gods way back in Stadium 2, and Flareon was Seth the undesirable. His speed already sucked, so I ran him with Curse to make the most of that sky high attack while mitigating his low defense. I also ran with him Frustration, to further drive home the point of just how much he hated his life. Seriously, being slow as Umbreon, but without any of the bulk to back it up really makes Flareon the most unfortunate of the Eeveelutions. The poor little guy could really use a total overhaul, but that seems unlikely to ever happen. About the best we could hope for is that maybe one of these days he could get a signature move.

[@massaosaito4084]

Since the hype for bad eevolutions is up: How GOOD was Glaceon ACTUALLY?

[@AndrevusWhitetail]

It...wasn't too much better than Flareon sadly. Pure Ice type with physical defense, and most moves it would use Vaporeon would do better. Glaceon looks good, but is sadly outclassed. (also_Ice_type_suuucks.jpeg)

[@sealandrelevant1310]

Even worse is that they would go on to repeat the mistake of trying to make a defensive pure Ice. So now we have Glaceon and Avalugg...

[@matthewkuscienko4616]

I like Glaceon, don't get me wrong; but it's not that good, and that can be owed in no small part to it's pure ice typing and low speed stat. Truthfully, though, the Eeveelutions are all pretty hit or miss: Espeon is decent, but outclassed by Alakazam offensively, Umbreon is bulky, but dark isn't really a good defensive type, Vaporeon has a lot of HP, but is slow, (and there is literally a shitton of other water types you could choose from instead) Jolteon is fast and pretty strong, but it's shallow movepool lets it down, Leafeon has one of the single worst types in the game (not saying that there isn't any merits to the grass type, but it isn't good defensively and is even worse offensively), but it's movepool also isn't that good, and Sylveon, while very cute, is mostly only as good as it is because fairy is such an AMAZING type. Unfortunately, though, in every one of these cases, there's probably a better Pokemon you could pick from for each of these types.

[@Rougealienpirate]

This. Really after a while only vaporeon and jolteon (and espeon but only cause of it's hidden ability.) became the only good ones while the rest were outclass or just bad beyond baton pass gimmicks. The eeveelutions are all cursed with linear stat spreads, poor movepools, and stuck in monotyping which is becoming more hindering each passing gen.

[@PumPuum]

How *GOOD* were *MISDREAVUS* and *MISMAGIUS* Actually? *I WONT STOP*

[@Vegeta241]

I'm with you man, keep it up!

[@PumPuum]

Thanks! I think this is my 14th attempt or smth lol

[@aka_bombon4825]

Yeahhh misdreavus plssssss

[@MrT6250]

Pum 😂😂 Pum will not be denied

[@drunkennephilim2995]

Flareon is the poster child for stat distrubution making or breaking a pokemons usability

[@nathanf1149]

How GOOD Was Wobbuffet ACTUALLY?

[@LunaTulpa]

Nathan Fonseca literally permanently banned, there's your video lol

[@mr.krustykrust]

Nathan Fonseca ubers for gen 2 and I don't know about the rest

[@nathanf1149]

I believe Ubers in every gen with shadow tag, pu without it

[@MapCRimSoNCobRa117]

It was legal in gen 5 with shadow tag. Gothetelle got shadow tag banned tho. It was uber in only gen 3 and 4, for reasons that aren't just "shadow tag is broken". Wobbuffet dittos in gen 3 caused an endless game since leftovers recovered all the damage taken from struggle.

[@bluemew22]

I have looked over the data and determined that, of the existing moves in the game at time of writing, a Belly Drum/Baton Pass team ending on passing a +6 ATK to Flareon with Fire Lash, Solar Blade, Bounce, and Protect in a DynaMax-enabled format would be the theoretical best the flaming fluff ball could hope for without going outside what moves Flareon could reasonably be expected to produce. Fire Lash would be smacking the enemy with its tail Solar Blade is just a solar energy construct Bounce is just animejumping really high. This theoretical Flareon's tactics would be to immediately Dynamax and use MAX Airstream twice to get +2 Speed, followed by MAX Flare on its last MAX turn to set up Sun to enhance Fire Lash's power and make Solar Blade's casting time immediate. One of the Airstreams could be made MAX Overgrowth for the Grassy Terrain or if a Water or Ground type showed up to snuff its flames out. Of course, this Theory Set does little to assist Flareon's fragility and unhelpful Abilities, but becoming an embodiment of "The Best Defense Is A Good Offense" is the most I could get for it.

[@Valincio]

I ask for Butterfree on every video. AND I WILL NOT STOP

[@passedjudgements4729]

Douchecanoe Mo let the many eyed lord of status conditions help them see the light of truth

[@andreivaldez6713]

It sucked until Gen 5 then it was barely any good thanks to Quiver Dance.

[@suprememaz]

Personally, I’d rather see a Venomoth episode.

[@Akechi_The_Phantom_Detective]

I'll be honest... I use Butterfree in every single game for one reason... CompoundEyes makes item stealing so much easier.

[@Aa-su6kl]

Butterfree is an Uber in my heart

[@franciscopereira7798]

How good was Swampert actually?

[@dannykelly4371]

I love these videos!!! How about: “How good was Butterfree actually?”

[@mrorcadood]

Pretty darn bad, especially when it started crying in Gen 6 when its regional bug partner Beedrill boarded the mega train and left Butterfree behind.

[@Dr.Stein_]

My favorite gen 1 bug Pokémon

[@azelfdaboi5265]

F****** sucked

[@azelfdaboi5265]

@Jerry Smith you can solo run Fire Red with a Magikarp

[@azelfdaboi5265]

@Jerry Smith you can not Solo the gen 1 games with Magikarp since you cant hit ghosts

[@matthewmcmullen9099]

Flareon should have 65 HP 130 Atk 60 Def 65 Spatk 110 Spdef 95 Speed

[@smaragdchaos]

Replace Speed for Sp Def

[@MrPuffer69]

It should have more health and a better moveset. then it could be an okay-ish choice scarf user

[@matthewmcmullen9099]

Give it Moves like crunch Earthquake and seed bomb

[@fizzopro2819]

I would replace hp with spdef

[@MrPuffer69]

Why would it need spdef? It's supposed to be a sweeper not a tank

[@Sol_Calibre]

**How GOOD was Mewtwo actually now???**

[@AFreshHotBun]

SolCalibre he was very good

[@Entelarmer]

SolCalibre i second that. That might be more intersting than ppl think.

[@tristengray2818]

It won’t happen

[@marcus7984]

Been asking for weeks.

[@XXXEmpoleon]

Do we need to? It doesn't really matter does it? It was banned from OU from Gen 1 to Gen 7 and is still currently banned to Ubers And is going to stay there for quite a while, until the comp scene ends

[@thequagiestsire]

I feel like all the Eeveelutions would be better with their respective Partner Moves. Imagine if Flareon had Sizzly Slide. A 90 base power physical Fire move without recoil like Flare Blitz and could absolutely butcher physical attackers with burns. It would be a true all-or-nothing physical sweeper, either absolutely being useless or wrecking the entirety of the opponent’s team.

[@airimee]

how good was glaceon actually? lets finish these guys off?

[@fulgenzio89]

Pretty bad too. Its offensive movepool is so shallow that sometimes runs Water Pulse.

[@SooshiShef]

Definitely worse than Leafeon. I ran an all Eevee-lution run through Soul Silver once. Really had to debate between Flareon and Galceon, and ended up with Flareon simply because I already had the other Gen 1s and 2s and would rather have kept it at one Gen 4 with Leafeon.

[@Silver-Arm]

Just as bad as Flareon. It has worse typing and also a terrible movepool, but at least the stats spread are better. His abilities don't help, too, I hope he gets slush rush next gen.

[@ArchinaGM]

imo it's the second worst eeveelution competitive-wise. So the answer is: bad. Really bad.

[@SooshiShef]

I love how Ice is good typing for moves but terrible when it comes to actual mon typing

[@beebobber546]

How GOOD was Metagross’s BIG MEATY CLAWS ACTUALLY?

[@graphicaX]

Metal, but i get the reference :)

[@nintendolife25]

What did you say, punk?

[@graphicaX]

Big, Meaty, Claws!?

[@mr.krustykrust]

well these claws ain't just for attracting mates

[@graphicaX]

Bring it on, old man!!!

[@goldikczech2994]

How GOOD was TENTACRUEL actually? No, I won't give up.

[@EdmacZ]

To the shock of nobody, In Gen 7, Flareon sits in PU, still sucking. No wonder that Flareon in Eevee & Friends is so shy and reclusive and wants nobody to bother it. Poor thing. Flareon needs something drastic, like a powerful priority Fire Move exclusive to itself. It won't make it good, but at least it will have a niche, and some times a niche is all you need.

[@TheJH1015]

Let's brainstorm here. As a new physical Fire type move that should be an option on multiple pokemon: Fire Tail, 90 power, 100% accuracy, 10% chance to boost Defense. Priority move: Fire Dash, 40 power, 100% accurate, priority +2. Flareon also needs a better HA like Rock Head, Quick Feet or Speed Boost, and a better movepool in general :/ give it stuff like Wild Charge, Energy Ball, Nasty Plot, Crunch, Knock Off, EQ, Rock Slide, Stone Edge etc.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

TheJH1015 I got an idea. Give it a physical fire move that also uses half of its special attack plus it's attack to calculate the damage. Other Pokemon that are really bad could benifit from this to like poliwrath for instance just make it a water type move. Basically any Pokemon that isn't viable that has somewhat close attack and special attack give them a move like that.

[@PinHeadSupliciumwtf]

base it's dmg type on the higher stat (after accounting for boosts) to make it a little more interesing

[@alfredosanchez170]

I think reworking its ability could lift it out of the bottom tiers. If Flash Fire also gave a boost to speed, it would go a long ways towards making it viable.

[@notscorchingsands9718]

I rather be in PU, game is way more fun down there .

[@doodelay]

Valuable lesson here, it doesn't matter what gifts you were born with if u dont have the resources to utilize them

[@mr.krustykrust]

how good was Armaldo actually? let's see how this fossil pokemon stood the test of time.

[@MrT6250]

TheMighty TacoMan 👏👏 word play on 💯

[@antler6361]

TheMighty TacoMan yeah thats the spirit!

[@remusciuciu2840]

How GOOD was Blaziken ACTUALLY?

[@xdarkangerx7601]

How GOOD was Clefable ACTUALLY? Or Tentacruel. Honestly, I just want to see more wha-wha-WHACKY Gen I antics.

[@CritsuKirby]

How good was Mewtwo actually? (Now with 90% less of squiggly chimeras in need of the Gen. 4 treatment)

[@SuperSpartanleonidas]

How good was Dewgong actually?

[@ManusMeridiem]

Tomas Mucho good choice

[@SuperSpartanleonidas]

Shurei1 Thanks. I actually forgot this Pokémon existed but then I played against one on Showdown.

[@MorganKing95]

+Tomas Mucho I've got a feeling that it will be the Lapras video all over again, except that Dewgong was outclassed by the latter in Gen 1

[@SuperSpartanleonidas]

StrasbergProtégé I feel like someone found a way to make it a threat with a niche.

[@sergiosaezdiaz8842]

It sucks

[@violetarche3746]

One of my fondest memories battling Pokemon in Y was beating a friend's Pokemon that spammed Sand Attack and Minimize because RNG was on my Flareon's side. Loved that thing ever since

[@BlocKoopa]

Poor Flareon.

[@seenl6eight258]

BlocKoopa Someone form Game Freak must’ve really hated Flareon, because it sucks so bad.

[@LaserXP101]

How GOOD was Scyther ACTUALLY? pls do it. I'm really hoping for it

[@TraumaCenter13]

LaserBreath 101 He already talked about it in his Scizor video.

[@JoeyCStarcraft]

Yesss, finally someone else says it. We know it sucks, especially since rocks, but Scyther is cool as hell and can work in any tier with varying amounts of support.

[@wanderlustwarrior]

I've asked too. But... we know it sucks competitively, and has long been outclassed.

[@fragrancelover1513]

How good was Syther and Scizor actually?

[@JoeyCStarcraft]

To be fair, he has covered Scizor already, but Scyther is a completely different Pokemon competitively speaking (besides being a strong physical attacker) and deserves its own video eventually. Next week will be fine :P

[@EvilApple567]

I don't know if it was (is) a Dolphin quirk, but even Flareon's model in Battle Revolution looks like it's about to break down and cry. Really funny right after describing how pitiful its move pool continued to be even after the physical/special split and how hopeful fans likely reacted the same.

[@kaizenpkmn7339]

FLAREON MADE TOP CUT AT A SPECIAL EVENT IN ARGENTINA IN THE VGC17 FORMAT.

[@ShinyTillDawn]

Kellen almost never Covers Gen 7.

[@kaizenpkmn7339]

SuperDuel707 but sometimes gen 7 is covered 👌

[@M3rtyville]

I didn't know that

[@andreivaldez6713]

Still sucks.

[@smaragdchaos]

Gen 7 is almost never covered since it's a fairly new meta

[@stormsumbreon9663]

how good was swampert actually

[@King_Nipper]

Flareon should've gotten Fur Coat as it's second ability. Fits, and is very strong.

[@ace_stallion]

How GOOD was Golem ACTUALLY?! Please... I've been asking since Steelix...

[@fam.vanderhaeghen8550]

How good was Exeggutor ACTUALLY?

[@letsrank9349]

Timmy's mom That's interesting

[@JulesHinmon]

I miss just being able to buy evolution stones. It made competitive battling a lot more interesting.

[@TKBomber7285]

How GOOD was Omastar ACTUALLY?

[@iceflake6179]

How good is SWAMPERT was Actually. We all know that mudkip was the best meme but can memes pvp?

[@angelomarasigan4347]

gen VI Marshtomp is the new meme lord though lol.

[@HeilRay]

*forced meme

[@iceflake6179]

HellRay a meme is still a meme

[@LightningCayo]

It’s because of this video that I used Flareon in my run of Yellow. Sadly it had a Bold Nature when it went to Ultra Sun.

[@dse763]

I don't know the stats changes Bold induce.

[@terrariaskeletonpre1.0.39]

damn, my plan of asking for flareon just to get into the video didnt work

[@TheGundamDude8045]

Byron Slowe it sucked.

[@ghostaniac9401]

lol, atleast you tried xD

[@jex1689]

1:57 Flareon: Bite my huge furry ass tail.

[@nickellis1812]

Yep you, me both, but I bet unlike me, you didnt have your hopes up more by first seeing a comnent with your surname, only to realise its not you

[@lewispatton6550]

The real question...is Glaceon worse than Flareon?

[@TheNadroj10]

There isn’t a point to glaceon, since vaporeon can learn ice beam.

[@StarlightMagician]

And blizzard.

[@Thebirdy123]

Yes

[@Takananoshi]

No, Glaceon is far better than Flareon. But yes, Vaporeon can do Glaceons job better

[@Astromontana]

Sadly yes, mainly because of its typing. Pure Ice with slow speed, little bulk, and shallow movepool makes Glaceon the worst evolution imo. At least Flareon has 6 resistances to go with it's decent 110 special defense and has access to Will O Wisp for even more bulk.

[@harciongaming9122]

I know these are all super well established as a series by now, but I think you could benefit some by having introductions or audio cues between gens. If you are just listening in the background it’s hard to tell when you go between gens.

[@mrbilter83]

*How good was BLAZIKEN actually* let's see if the Bold text myth is true

[@aryannair7362]

Mr Bilter YES PLEASE

[@apslup]

How Good Was Exeggutor Actually?!

[@wolfhurricane897]

I would be proud to have a Flareon on my team.

[@RSanchez111]

Ok but for real now, how good was Leafeon ACTUALLY?

[@Nuvizzle]

Just give Flareon speed boost, that's always the solution to everything.

[@Gojira_uz]

Or give it Technician as a hidden ability and flame charge. That would be enough to make it somewhat viable.

[@Swag_K1RBY]

Chris Anderson sorry to say but isn’t blazeken a Fire/Fighting type when flareon is just fire type

[@trent800]

@Jerry Smith so make it talonflame

[@jambon2730]

Or just swap the speed ans special attack to make it a good physical fire type

[@LuDogg805]

All Flareon needs is a priority 60+ physical Fire move.

[@hashock1239]

Jeez, and then what? Get sent straight to Ubers never to be used again. That is way too overpowered. Maybe buff its hp and reduce spatk? I think that would be better

[@aceclover758]

Buff hp and speed. Give wider utility moves like those that raise speed or defense.

[@andreivaldez6713]

Even then it would still suck. You're thinking of it as if it exists in a vacuum: if the other guy has anything resisting Fire then they already make Flareon useless.

[@samza9233]

give it quick feet or speed boost for an ability maybe.

[@shawn680]

I would argue that it needs Speed Boost and Stealth Rocks needs to be banned. Even then, it would still be garbage.

[@HazmanFTW]

But, How GOOD was Ditto ACTUALLY?!?

[@mrorcadood]

Terrible until Gen 5, when it got Imposter. In Gen 1, it had a niche to come in on a last-alive paralyzed Mewtwo and transform.

[@shiennohajime1495]

Excellent troll Pokemon with Choice Scarf and Imposter. That's it. That's literally it.

[@LunarSage69]

What if the eeveelutions got the moves from lets go(this would break most of them but flareon is the only one who needs it)

[@doctorsmoothlove]

How good was Tentacruel!?!

[@ryutovandersar1712]

Nintendo: How much do you hate Flareon?? Gamefreak: Yes

[@Thatbasedcat]

Wow, of all your Pokémon analyzed, I think Flareon took the most Ls through the years.

[@shield_rat221]

I mean... dunsparce

[@Revoltine]

Ocarino People prolly want to forget that April 1 vid hahahaha

[@AndrevusWhitetail]

Nah, not even close. Dunsparce didn't get an L in gen1 (cuz it didn't exist yet) so that's 1 less than poor Flareon.

[@ValorX77]

How OP was METAGROSS ACTUALLY

[@Blossom_Nova]

Fun fact for Flareon stans: Flareon is finally useable in gen 8 OU. yes, OU. it's still not a particularly great Pokemon, but it has a viable niche as a check to special hitters like Clefable. The post-Dexit meta game and introduction of Heavy-Duty Boots have also made things kinder to Flareon.

[@Blossom_Nova]

@Chris Anderson You're misunderstanding their uses. Flareon's niche is defensive, not offensive. Obviously, if your team needs an offensive fire type you use Cinderace, but if you need a defensive answer to special attackers like Clefable, you wouldn't. Wasn't trying to say Flareon is magically a good Pokemon, just that it finally has a valid niche

[@Blossom_Nova]

@Chris Anderson Bro people are literally using Flareon in OU right now and having success. It's ranked C+ on the Smogon OU viability rankings, which again isn't amazing, but it is viable. Ferrothorn, Toxapex, and Corviknight actually can't stop offensive Clefable because of its great coverage in Flamethrower and Thunderbolt. That's where Flareon's typing helps it. And while you're correct that Sylveon is overall better, Flareon can do something against Clefable in particular that Sylveon can't: hit it back hard with Flare Blitz. Like, I'm not just pulling this out of my ass. It's a real strategy that works. It can also burn switch ins and pass wish to teammates. Specially defensive Flareon with Wish, Protect, Will-O-Wisp, Flare Blitz and heavy duty boots.

[@bryanc1772]

Sadly it won't last long in OU as once the better Fire Types ( Heatran, Infernape, Volcorona etc) come back, it will fall off OU Good to see it in OU for once though

[@Blossom_Nova]

@@bryanc1772 yeah Heatran will be back to invalidating every other defensive fire type once again. Yaaaaay.

[@bryanc1772]

Tony Brandt It's good to see in Flareon in OU for once It's niche is small at best though once the former OU Fire Titans ( Heatran, Volcarona, Infernape etc) come back it probably will drop out of OU Im not sure if Arcanine is in Swords and Shield but even he outclasses Flareon ( intimidate , Morning Sun , Snarl) as a better Defensive Fire Flareon better enjoy it while its still in OU

[@miask8er]

How good was Metagross ACTUALLY???

[@Forgeries]

How good was gallade actually?

[@AwesomeMooseSmile]

Forge Pak the opposite of Gardevoir. Good at first, but not so good later.

[@overseerlemoine4707]

they need to update all eeveelutions to have the following stat line: 130, 110, 100, 90, 75, 75. to make Flareon usable it would have to be HP: 90 Att: 130, Def: 100, Spatt: 75, Spdef: 110 and speed 75.