How GOOD was Groudon ACTUALLY? - History of Groudon in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 3-7)

Groudon is this week’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Groudon in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
1:27 - ADV/Gen 3
3:49 - DPP/Gen 4
7:16 - Gen 4 VGC
8:22 - BW/Gen 5
10:28 - XY/Gen 6
12:40 - Gen 6 VGC
16:12 - SM/Gen 7
17:34 - VGC Gen 7
19:49 - Outro
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DISCLAIMERS ON FORMATS COVERED:
Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent and I will not fault you for using evasion or whatever, I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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[@hammdogporkington3058]

11:32 Kyogre using Earthquake to beat Groudon "I used the stones to destroy the stones"

[@kingwoomy8781]

Ha

[@bwackbeedows3629]

@@kingwoomy8781 Ka. Me. Ha. Me.

[@1ksubscriberswithnovideosc484]

Charge Beetle ha

[@zescreaminmoose1821]

When you plant weed in the ground and then use earthquake vs Groudon I used the stone to stone the stone

[@haiderpoetryandnasheeds6301]

*I used stone to stone the stoned stone

[@ironman-uc7ek]

Groudon: The king of the ground Primal groundon: Ground is its only weakness...

[@Salnax]

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[@gnammyhamster9554]

Except for goulduck's hydro pump

[@bohanxu6125]

"the king of the ground?" mixed primal ogre: "hold my bear"

[@shiennohajime1495]

@@bohanxu6125 *beer

[@catherinestickels2591]

I used the groudon to destroy the groudon

[@nickluckman1872]

Can we talk about how when people use "less optimal" special Primal Groudon, it has "only" base 150 special attack? Ridiculous.

[@BigLoloFrmDaO]

Yeah I'm surprised he didnt mention the Rock Polish Eruption set

[@melancholicthinker9291]

Gen 8 gives us Physical Kyogre and Special Groudon

[@baszko6152]

@@melancholicthinker9291 Kyo i Gro to each other. " STOP COPYING ME!"

[@squidgysquid7856]

Melancholic Thinker physical kyogre is already a thing with liquidation eq

[@melancholicthinker9291]

@@squidgysquid7856 yeah and special Groudon runs Eruption/Overheat, and at times Earth Power and HP Ice

[@Grandflea02]

As a Great man once said: "The only real way to beat primal groudon is to scare it off, but good luck striking fear in a guy who strikes fear into 71% of the planet's surface"

[@secondace9495]

rainbow bambi and sky lizard:

[@agentblackbird9435]

If you’re talking about the planet’s surface, isn’t 71% of it the oceans? Idk, maybe I’m just misremembering something

[@wakingdragon7538]

@@agentblackbird9435 Kyogre

[@jacksonsmith2955]

@@agentblackbird9435 in the gen 3 games the main plot revolved around groudon trying to dry up the oceans and kyogre trying to flood the contintents

[@gamesnig]

cloud nine golduck:

[@mr.shinyhunter6508]

Dynamax Groudon is going to be a threat ... for mankind

[@deezmodsonly1497]

for legit reasons.

[@joshuakim5240]

Ah Dynamix...yet another new gameplay mechanic in pokemon that's going to almost exclusively be used to give more broken overpoweredness to already broken legendary pokemon to the point of monotony just like Mega Evolution and Z Moves instead of their intended purpose of varying things up.

[@galarianblades5674]

Mr. ShinyHunter Primal Groundon Dynamax

[@toadgatter7512]

Dominic Anderson Omega ruby story restarts

[@johnpaulmacasaet7375]

dynamaxed mega ray counters groudon. xD

[@beebobber546]

Gamefreak: alright guys we need to make the Hoenn trio incredibly overpowered! First off let’s give Groudon a fire typing. Employee: but it will be x4 weak to water? Gamefreak: ..... let’s get rid of that completely

[@Dz73zxxx]

Original : make hay when the sun shines GF : *make primal groudon when the sun harshly burns the planet*

[@bitchd7839]

Tbh Primal Kyogre isn't incredibly op as its Choiced sets. The only reason why Primal Kyogre is more viable is because it can cancel Primal Groudon's weather. If P-don gets banned, Choiced Kyogre would be the king of ubers again, with mixed Primal Kyogre only appearing from time to time. Primal Groudon and Mega Ray are definitely overpowered though.

[@boomburstgaming3727]

Employee: brilliant

[@GIR177]

Why are Game Freak and its employees separate? lol

[@koishikomeiji3888]

It's not completely gone. Rayquaza (and Golduck but good luck with Duck) can ignore Desolate Land's water shriveling.

[@CritsuKirby]

The legend. The monster. The thing that's on EVERY Ubers and Unrestricted Team.

[@skiffy8121]

and then shuckle comes to fuckle up the strongest mon

[@skiffy8121]

@Mordecai Israel shuckle has custap forretress's help with toxic spikes, youd have to play carefully to avoid those to begin with, if you can get a sub up without being toxiced, then yeah shuckle will be fuckled

[@GIR177]

Technically Arceus has the highest usage, it's just that all of its formes are counted separately.

[@williamhuynh869]

@@GIR177 too many arcei

[@CaptainMantine]

Ah yes! The legend Kyogre!

[@TT-hw6ie]

Groudon: *Jumps* Metagross:AW shiet *Dies*

[@Dragrath1]

That animation from XD Gale of darkness was probably the most awesome thing in that game so monumentally glorious and terrifying

[@JoshuaTheTransitProdigy]

😭😭😭😭😭

[@acemerceramv8561]

1:47 *F*

[@sm-yu7dt]

Here we go again

[@angterrastriker6535]

YEE

[@matteussilvestre8583]

It's over, Anakin! I have the Primal Groudon!

[@mewtationssb]

You underestimate my power!

[@toadgatter7512]

I don’t like san- wait wrong scene

[@sayvionwashington1939]

Anakin: You underestimate my power! *Sends out Golduck with Cloud Nine*

[@fernandoguillenperez7686]

@@sayvionwashington1939 critical *precipices blades* destroys golduck

[@stevenmattrell3448]

M Silvestre You underestimate my Primal Kyogre

[@solaimanshahriar6202]

Only 21 minutes? I was expecting this to be 2 hours long.

[@bitchd7839]

Wait till Kyogre's video. It's been the king of ubers for three and a half gens unlike Primal Groudon's one and a half so it should be longer.

[@TheBornageFobbie]

Would have been if he named normal placements instead of just worlds

[@alkaspoon9282]

To be honest I was expecting that too

[@sayvionwashington1939]

This isn't a GameXplain analysis video

[@HeilRay]

I took the extra time to go out and watch Godzilla King of monsters. Movies apparently not doing as good as hoped.

[@DarkPurpleDude]

Talking about how Kyogre and Groudon go at it against each other in Ubers weather wars is probably the most accurate the Pokedex is going to get.

[@thedecafe1]

😮

[@NerdX151]

Game Designer: "How strong should I make Primal Groudon?" TPC: "Yes"

[@waterboy126]

YES YES YES

[@dustin3294]

water boy 12 YES YES YES YES oh my god

[@Magic_Ice]

P.Groudon: ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA

[@raizenramos9087]

Mega Rayquaza: Am i a joke to you?

[@JohnZ-]

@@dustin3294 YES YES YES, JoJo reference

[@StickMaster500]

When Groudon got it's Primal Reversion, I could hear it laugh in the face of Primal Kyorge as it's Water moves evaporate into nothing

[@HardGuess]

Until Rayquaza destroyed it with waterfall

[@vladtepes2667]

I hope we get more primal forms for fossil pokemon

[@worshiperofthelegendarypig9429]

@@vladtepes2667 that... Makes no sense, Groudon and Kyogre have primals because they created the sea and land and are now dormant. So they would need to be more powerful when they were doing stuff

[@whydoiexist2180]

@@worshiperofthelegendarypig9429 primal bidoof

[@albertorios2491]

Hi False Swipe Gaming, Alberto Ríos here (Panamá Special Event winner), thanks for the mention in the video and i love Groudon ♥️✌️

[@banisco6394]

@Super Greyflash Aí sim doido

[@DavideKuras]

One year passed but gg!

[@user-wh1uc4qi7y]

@@banisco6394 um br aqui olha so kk

[@mattfry6716]

Loki: I have a Primal Groudon. Tony: We have a Golduck.

[@Alexandre-gg7qd]

Cloud nine op

[@goldreaper9283]

That means next week hopefully it's How Good was Golduck Actully?

[@thewhiteninjaminington8953]

This is the most genius thing that I’ve ever seen

[@M3rtyville]

I used Psyduck with Eviolith in VGC 2016

[@mattkarge]

Cloud nine doesn't work on pg/pk, I've tried believe me

[@ElectroBlastLuigi]

*Kyogre wasn't covered yet because it's still swimming around in Alola with Lana.*

[@TheAdventuretrainerRuby]

Yay, someone is watching sun and moon😎😎

[@M3rtyville]

it heard she lied.

[@SharyK-_0]

I watched till 80 episodes

[@spacejunk2186]

And it actually happened.

[@paulbatut842]

I remember in vgc2016 when, in order to underspeed Kyogre, Groudon was level 49

[@alsparkproductions7849]

Why tho?

[@fulgenzio89]

And then Kyogre was level 48, and then Groudon level 47 and so on until they were both level 1

[@MisterSleep1123]

@@fulgenzio89 the usual is at level 50. Only nutkobs go for level 49 because of the lack of power.

[@cooperm4185]

@@fulgenzio89 you can't have Kyogre/Groudon lower than level 45

[@Marcusjnmc]

@@fulgenzio89 no, kyogre never went below 50, groudon made up for the lost power with swords dance

[@past874]

Groudon, the Pokemon that can cause droughts strong enough to dry up entire oceans. Wasn't a fire type until gen 6.

[@M3rtyville]

still waiting for Lugia to get a form with water typing

[@shutup1037]

well he made land

[@solismax65]

@@M3rtyville yuck x4 electric weakness. Nah he’s fine how he is

[@Vichola]

@@solismax65 just give it a electric immunity

[@woomynation]

@@solismax65 you talking smack about moxie dragon dance gyarados?

[@MakoShiruba]

Groudon is what many backyard kids believed Charizard was: Boosting for a Turn and then Earthquake'd everything not inmune to Ground and if it was, Burn it.

[@curts7801]

“Quake and Burn” is the mantra for many kids playing Pokémon. Can’t blame them. It’s satisfying and it works.

[@demi-femme4821]

Arceus: "I'm the most powerful Pokémon in Übers!" Primal Groudon: "Please allow me to introduce myself."

[@dumpsockpuppet5619]

Mega Rayquaza *[Laughs in Anything Goes]*

[@zeno1099]

Mega Ray **~laughing by being in a higher tier~**

[@coot33]

Fun bro : exist Every other Pokemon : I want to get out of funbro's wild ride.

[@alexroth67]

GameFreak: Do you know what would be a good idea? Making a bunch of Pokemon that are stronger than the actual god Pokemon.

[@Alexandre-gg7qd]

Arceus ground would like to have a word with primal groudon

[@shockwave3648]

The guy with 6 Primal Groudons on showdown be like: “Hi Noob, use good pokemon”

[@bustin1946]

the garbodors: hey

[@coldore6734]

You cant use 2 of the same Pokémon in showdown

[@urhsusnikvrecic1478]

@@coldore6734 you can in AG

[@coldore6734]

@@urhsusnikvrecic1478 oh cool didnt know that

[@urhsusnikvrecic1478]

@@coldore6734 yeah, but i doubt its even worth knowing, since AG is the dynamaxed mega rayquaza tier with 12 YOs packing multiple arceuses per team

[@matthorseirons6791]

9:08 - RIP Fairy Types (Before Fairies Existed)

[@GygasDistruttore]

Groudon powers up Cherrim. Therefore Groudon is ok in my book.

[@Kristalya]

Cherrim is so cute and unique 🍒 she needs love from Game Freak 🌞

[@ronswanson7371]

@@Kristalya yes 😊

[@permabanter7770]

This comment eating well this week

[@xDoctorxFaustusx]

I always liked Groudon for its kaiju looks. ...Shame its actually not as big as one like how the anime always depict it.

[@andrevanderlinden8722]

Crow the BOOLET venomothra isnt huge either unfortunately

[@kazoorion7993]

Crow the BOOLET I think Colosseum and XD does justice to it's size despite the size restrictions.

[@wanderingrogue3039]

Dynamax!!!

[@beta511ee4]

Crow the BOOLET Isn’t it, like, 11 feet tall?

[@Dz73zxxx]

Meanwhile its counterpart...legend says that Kyogre resembles an expensive aquarium fish

[@stevn2827]

How good was chetsoberry actually?

[@briankim1098]

Lemonade HP THIS! I’d love to see an item series FSG!

[@rossthemoss6827]

Oran berry best item hands down

[@penapower894]

How good was everstone actually?

[@krosshair450]

This is a great idea!

[@polypolar715]

Lemonade HP How GOOD was Pretty Wing ACTUALLY??

[@pujo1227]

Looking like pokeaim's uber road to top 10

[@matthewsun6374]

Pujolly I really liked how Joey gave groudon some loved, he’s so underrated!

[@CubeBizz]

Lmao

[@piers1796]

I may prefer Kyogre, but Groudon was an amazing Pokemon and I'm glad it still is.

[@magicmagikarp7425]

same i prefer kyogre but groudon is *AMAZING*

[@myheroandmadaralover2372]

@@magicmagikarp7425 i love all three

[@fernandonguyen1197]

These two are the defining metagame in the golden days

[@USSFFRU]

@@fernandonguyen1197 Now they did the great switcharoo

[@TheDiego908]

Gotta love how each VGC gen gets exponentially more anime

[@thedecafe1]

😅

[@Rich.p126]

Ubers: *exists* Primal groundon: *hello there*

[@seaside503]

Everyone in ubers: General Groudon!

[@pirateclick1d169]

yeah yeah same thing every year I'm already on the list

[@MightyMobileMatt]

Everyone in Ubers; "You are a Bold one!" Primal Groudon; "Actually I'm Adamant."

[@finchinator990]

You could say Primal Groudon made the VGC & Ubers tiers a Desolate Land

[@aryksnag1935]

DiceH Indeed!

[@xavierberton4714]

Corny

[@tonyflynn1801]

"History shows, again and again, how nature winds up the folly of man" - Blue Oyster Cult

[@calebelbrock3156]

Godzilla: I'm the king of monsters Primal Groudon: hold my precipice blades

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

You want Groudon to die, don't you?

[@andrevanderlinden8722]

Alejandro Hernández yeh groudon would 100% lose. Godzilla is like 5000x its size

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

@@andrevanderlinden8722 this is what I think are the right Groudon's measures of height: Normal Groudon: 60 meters tall Primal Groudon: 80 meters tall Now Godzilla's size: Godzilla (2019): 119.78 meters tall Conclusion: Groudon, if you want to live, you better kneel before your King

[@dumpsockpuppet5619]

@@alejandroelluxray5298 good idea, crouch to eat his legs

[@iaxacs3801]

@@andrevanderlinden8722 That's why you Gigamax it. Also Alejandro you should've looked up heights cause Groudon in Primal form is only 5 Meters tall

[@nathanf1149]

I'm so sorry you had to do all this Kellen...

[@heartofthefluft8541]

Don't be sorry. I think he loves to talk about the Pokémon's competitive scene, and he will be taking a rest eventually.

[@nathanf1149]

@@heartofthefluft8541 it's just a meme in he patreon discord

[@shawnli4746]

Can't beat the 25 minute script for Mewtwo in which he was talking like twice as fast

[@researchinbreeder]

You: kyOGre NeXT Me, an intellectual: Kyogre in 2 mo. so the trio is evenly spaced.

[@alexandradordzhieva3835]

@Student Rohan Joshi The fact that you wrote "b" instead of "be" really triggers me.

[@samd2612]

@@alexandradordzhieva3835 Don’t b so angry

[@alexandradordzhieva3835]

@@samd2612 Noooooooooooooooo *dies*

[@samd2612]

@@alexandradordzhieva3835 r you okay? I don't want you to b dead

[@alexandradordzhieva3835]

@@samd2612 No I'm dead

[@arhkadian2389]

groudon has been one of my favorite pokemon since gen 3, to see it reborn in gen 6 was awesome.

[@thedecafe1]

My favorite 🤩 legendary Pokémon.

[@thedecafe1]

😅

[@claymathewselevator8121]

Ruby was the first Pokémon game I ever played

[@Vinlie]

Groudon also made an appearance in the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon games, don't forget. He played a pretty substantial part in RRT and Explorers of S/T/Sky

[@thedecafe1]

😅

[@fatfuck2384]

Groudon was my first legendary Pokemon. I'm glad it's such a beast

[@octoslut]

lol braa its OP now days, just hope gamefreak are not dumb enough to give it dragon dance.

[@XO_Hikari]

@@octoslut oh no

[@octoslut]

I have a tiny wee wee but no what??

[@XO_Hikari]

@@octoslut if it gets dragon dance I'm ded lol

[@octoslut]

I have a tiny wee wee but lol yeh but game freak is not too bright when it comes to balancing

[@jonathanrogers959]

The way I see it, kyogre is surrounded. What's under the ocean? That's right, more earth.

[@okaten3522]

I love Groudon's Gen 4 sprite because it looks like he's mad at his best friend for stealing all the chips at a party. He looks like he's saying "Yo, dude, what the hell? Why'd you go and eat all my chips?"

[@oodogla]

Tyranitar's gen 3 sprite is similar and I really like them too.

[@henriquecarballoaranha9100]

Who would win? The embodyment of the geosphere or One clueless quacky boi

[@XLRATEable]

Oh boy i wonder what next weeks pokemon i gonna be! 🐟

[@shanem8957]

Casper Fransen magikarp?

[@HintedImage]

Clearly Wishiwashi.

[@snakeywakey3893]

@@HintedImage That thing is OP. It makes Mega Rayquaza look like a joke.

[@Mayank-mf7xr]

wailord ?

[@XLRATEable]

You are all idiots it will obviously be "How good was REMORAID actually?"

[@JB-bc2ry]

Last Week's Gen 3 Ground Type: Good for all of one Gen, then Trash. This Week's Gen 3 Ground Type: Good for all of its Gens, never Trash. If I may quote: "Of course, interesting manuever"

[@itsninjaboy7985]

It's cool that Groudon was delayed and uploaded on the same day I caught it in Omega Ruby

[@thedecafe1]

😮 lol 😂

[@sirtimothy92]

Dynamax Mega Rayquaza: *exist* Anything goes: "GET OUT!!"

[@superhappygamer1162]

No megas in Gen 8!

[@spiritflame8453]

@Super Happy Gamer! so far...

[@spiritflame8453]

@@berrycool3433 yeah I know

[@darianclark3980]

I used to thought Groundon was part Fire when I first saw it. Anyone else who agreed with me?

[@nixuniverse5240]

When I was younger I automatically thought every Pokémon’s type was based on their color. So when I first saw him I thought he was Fire because he was red.

[@voltingmaster5458]

Darian Clark I thought so to, Which made it hilarious when Gamefreak added the fire typing to its primal form!

[@robertharris6092]

Same. Emerald was my first and only pokemon till i playex x and y. And i used to always think groudon was always ground fire.

[@jackofspadesman]

Hey, thanks for the shout out (Jake Magier here!) Groudon was awesome and will always be awesome. You should do Volcarona sometime soon ;)

[@acemerceramv8561]

18:45 *M E N A C I N G M O O N R A Z E M A E L S T R O M*

[@royhe3154]

7:59 The lack of "Sorry if I butcher your name" pained me.

[@Alex-wd8en]

Just some day's ago I fought a primal Groudon for the first time ever. Seems like solar beam on Groudon doesn't go well against mirror coat Milotic

[@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283]

Well yeah. Milotic is a special wall afterall

[@salthesalmonshark6849]

I used to have dreams as a kid where Groudon lived in my closet. Not really nightmares, just Groudon chilling on my closet and I panicked because I couldn't find my pants.

[@lecanoscoptical3455]

Groudon's tiny hop in the Sonority games is adorable and I hate having never seen it until now

[@thedecafe1]

😅

[@johnnyblocks7956]

1:27 it’s also what decides the weather here in Florida

[@alexandermcmillan8056]

Groudon, the face of sun in Ubers. Man what a beast.

[@surite2573]

How Primal-Groudon hasn't been moved to AG I don't know

[@christianwai1796]

It holds the tier together. Xerneas and primal ogre would skyrocket fi you banned pdon then you would have to ban them too. Then the mons kyogre keeps in check rise and so on. It itself is not broken in that way that it forces a specific teamcomp but if you took it out pogre and xerneas would cause they would wreak havoc

[@stupidhead_2812]

I'm really happy that Groudon has always been fantastic. He's one of my favorite legendaries and has a special place in my heart

[@thedecafe1]

😅

[@ilovedogs2642]

Omg yes been waiting for this one for ages!!!! Thank you

[@mx.e2176]

Kyogre will flush him down a really blue toilet. If you understand the reference, you’re very cultured. The reference is Terminal Montage’s Legendary Pokémon Battle Royal

[@1AMdoesSomething]

Mr. E *screams in Terminal Montage*

[@Magic_Ice]

bork Volcano explodes

[@nikc101]

Mr. E i gotchu

[@joshe138]

Bah! Bah!

[@fallenchao]

Entei: bark

[@ThumberBulls6]

>How good was Groudon ACTUALLY? Haha haha hahaha this is a joke video right? Haha right??

[@chendror872]

Answer: Really good

[@DivadRovert]

@@chendror872 Correction: Omnipotent

[@chendror872]

@@DivadRovert all hail the red dinosaur of doom

[@murlocmaster6192]

My ditto crushes groudon!

[@darkrose8328]

This would just apply to any of the weather trio lets be honest

[@iamcarnitas]

I've been so excited for this episode! My favorite Pokémon!

[@thedecafe1]

😮

[@aa7146]

Who's Groudon? Don't you mean *walking barber clippers*

[@jaschabull2365]

Mega ampharos: Uh-oh.

[@alexandradordzhieva3835]

@@jaschabull2365 It's super effective!

[@aroobism]

Another great video by fsg In other news grass is green

[@richman6974]

Not where i live, Only trees are green, everything else is yellow

[@aroobism]

Rich Hernandez ok well then trees are green?

[@richman6974]

@@aroobism yes

[@jaschabull2365]

Rayquaza Is Green.

[@funninoriginal6054]

@@jaschabull2365 *laughs in shiny*

[@officersoulknight6321]

Primal Groudon; 4x weak to Water Also Primal Groudon; *n o*

[@omegafuzi0n479]

Something about the way you explain all of this is super captivating, it made me sub

[@MrFabioxz]

I’m always sooo happy if i see that u posted a new video!! Keep up the good work!! And i just find out after watching u for almost 1,5 year that i wasn’t subscribed!! From now on u have 1 extra loyal fan!

[@raver-kun2035]

I've been waiting for this video, and I was not disappointed, Thanks FSG team

[@thedecafe1]

😮

[@thedecafe1]

😮

[@balloonperson1115]

Can't wait to see just how terrifying Water Spout Kyogre was

[@thedecafe1]

😅

[@milkman8878]

Been waiting a long time for this, thanks

[@seangalvin672]

finally! ive been wanting you to do groudon for the longest time

[@daddy7888]

Groudon honestly had the most successful career in competitive. It has always been one of the best and at one point it was the best. With mega Rayquaza gone, it really let primal Groudon shine along with Kyogre. Amazing legendary!!!

[@wilhelmsarosen4735]

I never understood how Groudon could go toe to toe with Kyogre in the story, given their typing......

[@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283]

Lore does not equal gameplay. Otherwise lugia couldn't be the master of the kanto birds.

[@Lauren_C]

@@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 In the anime, Groudon fought Kyogre with Solarbeam. In competitive, Primal Groudon tends to have the overall advantage against Primal Kyogre. Reason being that while Kyogre is effectively neutered in the sun and is forced to fall back on Ice Beam for damage, Groudon's Precipice Blades is still astronomically powerful, sun or rain, and gets STAB. Thus Groudon is still a very threatening foe in heavy rain.

[@wilhelmsarosen4735]

Libra The beautiful War Monk Well, it has multiscale, so it should be enough for it to strike back :)

[@wilhelmsarosen4735]

Lauren C But isn't Primal Groudon good as dead in the rain though?

[@andreescalona8902]

@@wilhelmsarosen4735 2 years later: no. Kyogre's STAB moves get cancelled in harsh sun, while Groundon's ground STAB can still hit it. So it's safer to switch Primal Groudon into Primal Kyogre than the other way around

[@thepredator4207]

I have been waiting for this video for sooooooooooo long and it didn't disappoint

[@David_Johannesson]

Fantastic episode!

[@supersmashbro596]

you know what would have been a neat mechanic for the blue/red orb in the remakes? if making kyogre hold the red orb or groudon hold the blue orb would cause them to act as if they were traded pokemon you don't have badges to train, regardless of your actual badge count.

[@oodogla]

That would be awesome

[@uigpoe]

Ive been watching these videos since the Charizard episode and I just knew you would make it this far one day. Kudos to a fantastic series that the pokemon community DESPERATELY needed.

[@thedecafe1]

😮

[@thedecafe1]

😅

[@davionblackburn9318]

Welcome back, FSG!!! 🎮😎🎮

[@mithenmedina540]

I've been awaiting for this.

[@Kefkaownsall]

So I transfered my groudon to oras. Then I couldn't save data transfer so I lost that. T Rex was 10 years old

[@briangruenewald7536]

Kefkaownsall F

[@ralphmarges2965]

mega F

[@Viniticius]

Primal f

[@deleted5745]

Dynamax F

[@SilverFang2789]

*HOW GOOD WAS DUSCLOPS & DUSKNOIR ACTUALLY?*

[@5minvsarefer]

It’s been a while since you used “Dark Utopia” in the beginning, and I love it!

[@Chrisboy265]

This isn’t the video we needed, but it’s the one we deserve. Thank you FSG, very cool!

[@fadeddragon123]

Imagine if in the remakes of gen 4 the dragons got the primal treatment

[@Choomba78]

):

[@renegade6578]

Welp.

[@valet2972]

Yeah…they should have..

[@UltraAryan10]

*How GOOD was Butterfree ACTUALLY?* I will keep suggesting it for the sake of the butter less butterfly who did not even got a mega.

[@Magic_Ice]

I just looked this up thanks!

[@wolfgangervin2582]

I always love seeing how the übers clash with and synergize with eachother.

[@thecathat2725]

Roses are red The fan seems to be on Im running golduck Only for groudon

[@The1_Static-X_Fan]

Groudon was also a good challenge in Explorers of Darkness/Time

[@thedecafe1]

😮

[@elmatias7922]

I really like Groudon for the design and also because he is a monster at the competitive thanks False Swipe, I was really waiting for this video

[@mikoutv1707]

The list of vgc names in the description instead of in the video is a great change!

[@chamber8234]

Yes! Groudon is by far my favorite Pokémon ever ❤️

[@thedecafe1]

😮

[@arminxvs3372]

Mine had also Solarbeam. With Drought it could use it immediately and screw up some Water ennemies. As a kid it felt like a genius move haha ^^

[@thedecafe1]

😮

[@parad0x765]

The 2nd legendary pokemon I ever saw, years ago I had got like a small magazine showing the anime sizes of Groudon and Primal Groudon, ever since then I fell in love with the design(primal Groupon is satisfying for some reason), even though not my favourite competitively(I still somehow try to make it work in gen 9), one of my favourites in design for all time. The first pokemon movie I watched was Jirachi the wishmaker, Meta/Virus Groudon's design ws just amazing.

[@cosmic2859]

YESS!! About time

[@frozenlettuce293]

Groudon, the thing too strong for everything. Godamn

[@NanaKyoto]

If you thought Primal Groudon was titanic, wait until Generation VIII.

[@ZakanaHachihaCBC]

Shiro-Luna assuming you can Dynamax it.

[@Magic_Ice]

Dog with Sword vs Godzilla that made the Continents.

[@Mr.Feather130]

*Godzilla Intensifies* Milo:Oh My Gosh run!,its Godzilla! Sonia:it looks like Godzilla but due to copyright laws,it wasn't Milo:we still had to run away from Godzilla! Sonia:no it isn't (Both run away in fear)

[@sophiawilliams8650]

L

[@toadsagejacob7896]

@@Mr.Feather130 nice to see someone else saw that movie

[@mikkoto2135]

Hey Kellen! I don't have a switch, so I haven't gotten to play pokemon Let's Go, but I have tried it out on showdown and found it to be really weird with its mechanics and changes. I feel like it'd make a great video! Another Pokemon Generation Battle Mechanics explained like the RBY vids! Love your vids man, been binging them recently after kinda forgetting about your channel for a while lol.

[@isaacscards3942]

Great video 👍

[@Meteo_sauce]

4:38 Mike tyson vs a 5 year old colorized 2020

[@plabcentral630]

I’m glad I decided to randomly scroll though comments

[@bdt2002gaming]

It's scary to think that the banning of Mega Rayquaza may have actually made Primal Groudon slightly worse in Ubers than when both were allowed at the same time.

[@MasterlyRex8789]

Huh? Yeah absolutely not. Primal Groudon is one of the few Pokemon Mega Ray scares out so easily. You’re in the very uncomfortable position of wanting to switch out against Mega Ray. Except switching against Mega Ray is one of the most dangerous things to do.

[@bdt2002gaming]

@@MasterlyRex8789 My rationale behind this comment at the time was that Primal Groudon tended to match up well into Pokémon that were good into Mega Rayquaza, or at least as good as you could be. Stuff like Xerneas, certain Steel-Types, heck I’ll throw in Mega Gengar for good measure, all lose to certain Primal Groudon variants.

[@markcooper4876]

I love the Pikachu photo bomb at 7:35.

[@smeltstarverse7306]

Gen 3 was my first Pokemon generation, and Ruby was my first Pokemon game. I always loved Groudon. Though I've never really been into competitive Pokemon, I'm glad to see my boy doing well competitively