How Google's Chromium Took Over the Browser World

[@WilliamHaisch]

Learning that Firefox gets most of their funding from Google is like discovering the Rebellion in Star Wars is being funded by the Empire. 🤣

[@vylbird8014]

For legal purposes Google doesn't want to have a complete monopoly, so it's in their interests to keep Firefox around.

[@Shifter-1040ST]

Similar to Microsoft keeping Apple afloat back in the day.

[@Kismitane]

Shhhh can't let the public find out

[@bonkerbonk343]

@@Shifter-1040ST that's a common myth, apple's profits were declining but not to the point that microsofts minimal amount helped them at all

[@naattxxnaattxx7055]

Or like learning that the seperatists were led by palpatine

[@auslegungssache]

the worst thing is, that mozilla makes the worst possible decisions at every turn. not a single month passes without them completely fucking something up

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yeah, I don't have the most faith in Mozilla's leadership either

[@NopWorks]

Sounds ridiculous, but someone who cares about the browser & it's users should create a non-profit organization and take Firefox away from Mozilla Because aside from some recent amazing decision for Firefox Android, Firefox really lags behind every browser on productivity & Quality-of-life features. Meanwhile they decided to put resources into silly things like selling a rebadged Mullvad and the terrible Photon UI update. Privacy is great & important for a browser, but productivity also matters.

[@poscat0x04]

Mozilla: focuses on literally anything instead of their browser

[@TheGlitchyMario]

I hate the company itself, but I like Firefox

[@iheartlreoy8134]

I like thunderbird

[@alleeadl289]

i will never use any browser without ad-blocking, it's a nightmare to browse the internet with ads on.

[@allchicken]

I have used the internet all my life without addblocker, I dont see the problem, because of that, just dont matter about dumb adds

[@xcidgafhamas]

@@allchickenur probably a vanilla user.

[@escapetherace1943]

@@allchicken we found a live NPC boys! 🤣

[@cyr0_gd]

​@@allchicken Hard to "just don't matter about dumb ads" when ads are only things you see.

[@KhairulHidayat]

​@@allchickenimagine living with ads everywhere

[@tech-bore8839]

So basically just like the KZbin monopoly: everyone complains about KZbin's policies and want alternatives, but they don't want to help build & grow those alternatives. What gets me is that the average person thinks KZbin/Google just suddenly became this powerful, while conveniently ignoring the YEARS it took to get to this level. Sad thing is now that we see the problem and acknowledge it, few people try to fix it. Now most people have become the dog in the "this is fine" meme.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

The problem is it's hard to build the alternatives now. Like I said in the video, it's extremely hard to build a new browser even with billions of dollars to throw at it. Mozilla threw away their chance to build a comparable web engine, so most new browsers are going for the option that doesn't involve billions of dollars of new development.

[@tech-bore8839]

@@EricMurphyxyz Don't get me wrong, I understand why they choose the easy way. I'm just saying it's going to take actual effort if people want REAL alternatives, not just forks.

[@ronnie9379]

Kind of hard for ppl when the algorithms control what ppl see, and people don't even know of any alternatives existing and can't find out. Like are people gonna find a KZbin alternative? No because they have no hope that they will find anything they want on it because nobody uses it. And if someone tries to make one, how are people going to find it and start using it? It's all on purpose. They are doing their best to control what information people encounter

[@tech-bore8839]

@@ronnie9379 You're not entirely wrong. However, people have the ability to search "KZbin alternatives" and find them that way (for now). If they can use a search engine for silly/random questions they should be able to search for the alternatives.

[@ТоварищКамрадовСоциалистКоммун]

@@tech-bore8839 alternative to. net

[@wrench444]

Google dropped its old motto, “Don't be evil,” and exchanged it with, “Do the right thing. Right thing for who you ask? for Google..................

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

Trust me, Google was pretty much *always* evil, even back in the 90s.

[@dirhi]

for me 🙋‍♂

[@wrench444]

@@dirhi 😑

[@nathasyapramudita6312]

More like "do what best for our stockholders" 😊

[@Cyantheshortproto]

that sounds worse than that one motto for a pickles brand which literally just said "Experience the taste"

[@mk_aquila]

This is why I use hardened Firefox, I'm not gonna have Chromium fed down my throat.

[@no_name4796]

Even firefox normal, tweaking the settings in about:preferences and installing ublock origin is already really good. Especially because firefox will hopefully never break adblockers with manifest v3

[@meteor4716]

​@@no_name4796Firefox has been implementing MV3, but they're doing so in a way that also supports a lot of MV2 functionality and allows for extensions like uBlock Origin to continue to work, whereas Chromium is stripping away that API compatibility.

[@raulguy]

Nujabes pfp :D

[@tacokoneko]

i use firefox "normal" but i use a heavily customized profile folder with it that i have used for years and to get firefox updates i use the gentoo firefox package

[@Ablsmn]

​@@tacokonekostrange how u are a linux user and uses firefox

[@GoodFuude]

0:53 The hilarious part about this is that many modern websites love telling you to download their app, which in most cases is even worse than just using the website in the browser normally.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

It's more about the lock-in than it is the user experience

[@stodo1337]

Reddit mobile is literally adware

[@NopWorks]

These days I just install the website as a PWA. Works great enough, and doesn't spawn a ton of duplicate Chromium processes.

[@vylbird8014]

The app is much better for gathering data, and defeats ad-blockers.

[@ent2220]

I installed Lineage OS on my phone and without the google apps. I only have a few apps installed now - firefox (where I get the up to date APK directly from github), and 3-4 apps from fdroid. Using the Firefox browser (and of course with a blocker because it supports extensions) is perfect for me. Everything web-based in one place with bookmarks. Much cleaner and less bloated phone, less battery drainage and more privacy, since the apps are anything but private.

[@F_Around_and_find_out]

Manifest V3, if it can nerf ad blockers enough it might help Firefox gain popularity again. And if Google do the funny and make the web unusable to other non chromium web browsers, that is a class action lawsuit in the making.

[@LRM12o8]

Given all the shady stuff Microsoft got away with pushing Edge and their other services on recent years, I doubt that agency that once threatened to split the company over IE integration in Windows even exists anymore...

[@NopWorks]

Google will get away with it. Remember the ShadowDom debacle, when Google deliberately used it to slow down KZbin for competitors like Firefox & Edge (before Chromium)?

[@domojestic4155]

Most people don't use adblockers. Hell, most people don't use extensions at all. We're likely to see a 0.5% market share bump, max, because of the V3 stuff. The majority of users won't even notice.

[@yoshepop]

⁠@@domojestic4155Meanwhile every single school chromebook in my school containing the adblock+ extension:

[@dogbox1786]

​@@domojestic4155 0.5% of a couple billion, that seems pretty significant to me

[@ShamoaKrasieski-xm4ze]

I remember when Chrome first launched it was actually slower and crashed more often than any other web browser. However, you couldn't escape it. Google was advertising Chrome everywhere. Even the device driver CD that came with my motherboard had Google Chrome bundled, and checkbox ticked for installation by default. Once Google had everybody using Chrome, by curiosity if nothing else, they were able to convince all major websites to optimize specifically for Chrome. It became a black hole of sorts, with unrelenting gravitation pull.

[@LRM12o8]

Nowadays Microsoft is trying the exact same thing with Edge and failing miserably! 🤣 If current trends continue, Linux might see a bigger market share among Desktop OSes than Edge will among browsers by the end of the year.

[@THESERIOUSLYSMILE]

Stop it with the conspiracy theories, please. Google just sponsored and slowly took over the best web engine available (Chromium) and then built a solid browser around it. People switched out of curiosity and/or due to the marketing push it got, but stayed because it was simply the better browser that kept getting improved. Google did not have to "convince" anybody to optimize for Chrome if it was already the dominant browser in the market. At some point, even the people developing the very web content Chrome was used to access, were using Chrome themselves, and naturally, their first option to test out their products was Chrome. You want someone to blame? You can blame Mozilla and the management team behind it, which happily took Google's money in exchange of making sure Firefox stays the worse alternative, especially on Windows, where the vast majority of users were installing and usimg a browser at the time. Mozilla had years of experience ahead, a solid marketshare, and what was a very good web engine at the time. Not only did they fail suspiciously against all odds in at least keeping their share of users and just keeping up with a Chrome that, as you said, at release was nowhere near as solid as Firefox, but also started to gradually make Firefox worse with each release, while failing to fix or improve on features that were for years their low points and drew instant comparition with the better experience Chrome provided in that regard (e.g. the absolute garbage of a "History" functionality that Firefox has to this day)

[@PaulSpades]

That's really not true. At the time, Google and Apple were the ones that had any interest in pushing the adoption of new web tech, so all of the money and development went into webkit and v8. I'm talking many millions of dollars and millions of developer hours. After crushing Netscape with IE6, Mirosoft's web team was mostly disbanded, Mozilla didn't really have any resources though they did great work making the Mozilla browser and later Firefox, and Opera barely made any money licensing their server side web rendering tech to sustain their free browsers. The new standards from W3C for CSS2 and later HTML5 really made it unfeasible for new rendering engines to be developed, other than Webkit. Google and (the mostly Google funded) Mozilla were the only ones to keep up with the spending needed to implement the new standards. Microsoft and Opera tried and failed.

[@MrBa143]

"they were able to convince all major websites to optimize specifically for Chrome" -- Yeah thats not really how it works. Why are you writing this nonsense? I am gonna assume this was a joke comment. 🤣

[@danyal_assi]

@@LRM12o8no, window ui looking cooler

[@1TW1-m5i]

Remeber when Google dropped its moto of "don't be evil"?

[@michaelm1]

That was ages ago. Feels like before I was born. They went evil still in the ancient times.

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

Trust me, Google was *always* evil.

[@Nor-tc8vz]

Now it should be "Be very evil".

[@TechnoMinded-qp5in]

NewPipe is your friend.

[@fandroid6491]

They've always been "DO be evil"

[@korakys]

They won by advertising. Copious amounts of advertising, and minimalism. Lots of tech savvy people liked Chrome in the beginning because it was "less bloated" than Firefox. This is how they get you: the bloatedness argument. Although ironically Firefox also started out as a minimalist browser.

[@A1stardan]

They made chrome default in mobiles and unable to uninstall

[@cewla3348]

@@A1stardan you can *always* remove files from *any* device. even if it means using another, less locked down device to `rm -rf` the files out of existence.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

I first started using Chrome because of the minimalistic UI. People forget that it was a lot better than everything else at the time.

[@Danyiaha]

@@cewla3348on Android if your rom comes with it, you can only disable it, which I guess is kinda the same thing

[@vylbird8014]

There's no such thing as a non-bloated web browser any more. There can't be. The web has just grown too complicated - so many different features which must all be supported to ensure compatibility with every site.

[@bhaswardutta4890]

I think if adblock stops to work on chromium based browsers a lot of peeps would switch over to firefox based browsers.....

[@gatorrade1680]

Or start using pi-hole or a router with integrated adblock. Which is even better because it blocks ads on every device connected to the network.

[@kuwandak]

​@@anon8510 uh, no. switching browsers is a far easier than switching to a whole new OS, what are you even talking about

[@sprinklednights]

@@kuwandak Depends. For me yes because there's nothing on my web browser, but some like to add crazy integrations that make them depend on a web browser.

[@MrTriple3D]

@@anon8510 dude it isn't 2009 anymore, plenty of people tech savvy enough to switch browsers, even if only 1/2 or 1/3 does it's still a big blow.

[@iSamYTBackup]

​@@gatorrade1680 1 nobody will buy physical hardware just to block ads 2 most general people just won't switch away from regular chrome no matter what because people are also lazy and don't like change 3 it won't work with sone services primarily youtube

[@TheGlitchyMario]

I use Firefox with a privacy focused profile, and I really like it! If something says I need chrome, I have a browser agent spoofer.

[@skyefarnan2311]

Another reason to use Firefox is cause it has a cute fox as its logo

[@merlumili]

this is a really good reason. cute fox ftw!

[@dumbperor]

Sorry to break it to you but that's actually a red panda...

[@kraberap-sniper]

​@@dumbperor Fire. *Fox.*

[@Lithium59]

💀

[@CyborgLuv]

Lol, same with brave "hehehehe look at the kitty :3"

[@CBarrowMusic]

If I can't have an ad blocker I'm not gonna use it. I switched to Firefox a while ago and because of this I'm glad I did.

[@Rovalowy]

I just finished setting up Firefox, after using Chrome for years. Fuck them.

[@hemangkorane1797]

Use Brave, it has it built-in

[@Loveliyi]

I am on android and have firefox.

[@lazertroll702]

Pi-hole project is a viable filter option; speeds page loading by a lot, too 😉

[@misonly5496]

I'm using Vivaldi, they have a built-in ad blocker just like Brave. 2 browsers based on chromium that at this moment don't care about Google not wanting ad-blockers

[@DGTelevsionNetwork]

Opera changing from their rock solid presto engine to chromium really set the stage for other browsers to follow suit.

[@akhilachu34]

Yeah, I was thinking about it. Didn't knew it switched to Chromium

[@wingedflyingforce5139]

@@akhilachu34 what was it originally?

[@Pleppify]

​@@wingedflyingforce5139it was known as presto

[@monkeywheel5522]

@@wingedflyingforce5139… the presto engine

[@Joker-fj8hg]

I don’t know, even Microsoft switched seems like a bigger deal

[@AbnormalAbnorman]

Me, personally, I quit Chromium after I found out about Manifest v3.

[@GreyMaria]

Bad timing. Cease the use of the product on the day the change is forced. Only a coordinated attack from the entire userbase _leaving simultaneously_ will have a CHANCE at displacing Google.

[@endermaster08]

Same here!

[@AbnormalAbnorman]

@@GreyMaria Chances are too slim IMO. Besides, I had JUST switched from Opera GX to Brave, so building up progress on Brave knowing I would just throw it all away later wasn't worth. Edit: P.S.: No chance I was going back to Opera GX either. 💀

[@cringesh1t427]

@@AbnormalAbnormanquite literally did the same… and I’m not really looking forward to use anything other than brave since I actually like it have you happened to find any decently secure browser similar?

[@cpucat]

Same

[@GoogleAdmiin]

google is evil monopoly

[@Warlord_Megatron]

Damn opposition within the company

[@wfjhDUI]

0:41 Safari and Chromium also have a common ancestor codebase.

[@memetech-]

And said ancestor is olden Safari

[@AXAAZ]

That codebase is KHTML

[@PaulSpades]

@@AXAAZ KDEWebKit.

[@InventorZahran]

All modern web browsers are descended from Netscape

[@goldenpersonguy]

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[@nonetrix3066]

"You can't make your own browser" SerenityOS devs: Hold my beer

[@PunkHerr]

Never heard of Serenity.

[@spaghettiking653]

@@PunkHerr No doubt you haven't, but it's famous in the OS dev community because it's a really good hobbyist OS!

[@lonecoder_cro]

😂 thats it

[@lonecoder_cro]

​@@PunkHerrcheck it out if you like that old skl unix look, everything is build from scratch

[@elsandosgrande]

Regarding Firefox and Servo, as I understand it, Servo is an experimental browser project written basically entirely in Rust. The rendering engine component specifically is called WebRender and has replaced Gecko inside of Firefox years ago, which makes Mozilla dropping the Servo team even more baffling of a move.

[@Narekz]

The Rust team left for the Rust foundation who wanted to focus on more low level projects. It isn't all Mozilla's fault.

[@gracicot42]

Chromium engine was not made from the ground up. It was actually based on webkit, which itself was based off khtml.

[@emanuellandeholm5657]

Nothing is done "ex nihilo" these days. Too expensive. Scratch the surface and you can often find some crufty, old COBOL routines underneath.

[@Vexxter09]

how edge has a higher count than firefox will never make sense to me

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Being the default web browser for billions of computers is worth something

[@Laughing_Individual]

Because most users are not tech savy. They use what's available.

[@alexanded2383]

Ai features

[@sanekibeko]

Because it's installed by default on Windows and you can't even uninstall it if you're outside the EU. Sad but that's the reality.

[@Azurryu]

As others said it's default on Windows, but also it is even better than Google Chrome, making the old "IE for downloading another browser" meme obsolete.

[@Envido32]

"Can a couple of revels fighg back against the browseg hegemony?" Actually yes! Thats how we got Firefox against IExplorer in the first place.

[@theshadows1416]

but can fire fox really fight against another search engine GIANT?

[@GoldenEDM_2018]

I have Firefox + uBlock Origin + AdGuard on my phone lol saved me lots of time from intrusive ads and trackers, plus yt mobile is adfree with it 😂

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

​​@@theshadows1416No worries, because Google pays Firefox to avoid antitrust and monopoly laws 😂

[@userre85]

Firefox gets paid by Google

[@camwha5904]

It’s funny how the EU is forcing Apple to allow other browser engines on iOS but in reality it’s just going to lead to most people using chrome engine on instead of safari too. Further killing webkit’s market share.

[@alexcuevas5633]

Now that’s when you know that the EU hates apple at the personal level.

[@shikharagrawal59]

What's funny, you can use other web engines in Android. Should Android forbid any browser except chrome and windows forbid any browser except edge, then why should apple be allowed to do that.

[@beratbayram]

@momsspaghetti4889 you can use Chrome etc. but all of them uses Safari's webkit underneath. IOS browser are more or less re-skinned safari. Until EU forced apple to change that.

[@chaosenforcerdhm969]

@@shikharagrawal59you could other web browsers on iOS I don’t comments talking about

[@FlorenceSlugcat]

Youve been able to use other browsers on ios for WELL OVER a decade. People just dont bother installing a different browser, and alot of iphome users tend to not be very tech-savy, so you pretty much need to feed them a pre-installed browser out of the box. A choice of a pre-installed one had to be made and I see nothing wrong with apple picking Safari. But in no way have they EVER prevented third party browsers from being installed and used on iOs. They are all over the app store. Edge, chrome, firefox, and many others, have been available on the app store pretty much since the iphone 4. Cant blame apple for people not downloading them. So what? What different should they do? Put every browser in existence pre-installed which would bloat the OS to absurd levels? Put no pre-installed apps and ask customers to install their default app of choice using a terminal? I use Linux, and I am pretty confident that is out of the capabilities of the vast majority of the average iphone user, who might be a grandma or a guy who dont even know what ipv4 stands for.

[@AQDuck]

Remember that time when JXL almost became the perfect replacement for JPG, but Google _completely_ killed support for it in the Chromium engine in favor of their own WebP. Every chromium-based browser was just forced to deal with it and no webdev would use it when only 8% of users could use it (Firefox and Safari)

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yep, that's another good example of the problems of letting Google control the web browser.

[@crocsnosockz]

crazy thing is JXL was developed by GOOGLE

[@AndiPandi-yj7rc]

This is why people really really reeeeeal need to start using firefox again. There must always be alternatives

[@jayanspaliwal5907]

Well, fun fact, Firefox is funded by Google. Yes, google is funding Firefox so that they don't look like the monopoly of internet explorer in the 90s

[@LibertarianGalt]

I bet it's so they can throttle KZbin on Firefox without repercussions.

[@manwithnewname]

Microsoft also funded Apple when they were down for the same reason

[@unknown-qp8pk]

almost all of mozilla’s revenue comes from google through royalties, I wonder if it's to avoid antitrust related problems or some other kind of control strategy.

[@A1stardan]

It is to escape monopoly laws

[@Bvngee]

As soon as Mozilla and Firefox are off the map, Google is a target for antitrust lawsuits. So of course they are going to fund their “competitor”!

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

Google pays Mozilla to keep their mouth shut on Google's monopoly over the internet.

[@valkohattu]

@@A1stardan😊😊😊😊😊

[@l4rkdono]

Pretty much. And it's pitty money anyways, it's literally just like $500k so that Mozilla devs have something to eat. For comparison Apple gets $20 billion from Google.

[@tehjamerz]

--dont-- be evil

[@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648]

or try to be good, but only in a narrow, distorted way

[@thecommentroaster]

Business casual? Man💀

[@Nor-tc8vz]

Now it's "Be very evil".

[@DarthGTB]

You either die a hero or live enough to see yourself become the villain

[@youkofoxy]

3:30 Is not build from the ground Up, the chromium is a derivative of Webkit that is a derivative of KHTML, a tech developed by KDE way back, before the dragon mascot. Yep, Konqueror is the foundation of Chromium. However, I think they did not picked much from it. Also, Mozilla Firefox is based on Netscape that is a sucessor to Mosaic (if it use some mosaic code, I do not know). So if you are talking about lineage, Firefox is the king. As side note, Opera was a independent development by the looks of it.

[@DGTelevsionNetwork]

Opera started as the Norwegian version of AOL and then slowly changed into a standalone browser using their presto engine that at the time was one of the best in terms of speed and resource reliability. I never had it crash once when I was using it in the 2010s. I'm not even going to lie, I wish they would have kept using it instead of ditching it for chromium.

[@theether5993]

Currently servo is developed by Linux foundation.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yeah, I was glad to hear it's still around and kicking, I wish them the best

[@darkwoodmovies]

I was a web developer in Silicon Valley for some larger known companies. The only time we ever opened and tested on another browser than Chrome was if a user reported a ticket with a browser-specific error. Chrome was often the only browser on our laptops.

[@tejassharma8569]

I'm one of those rebels. A somewhat hardened Firefox + Adguard extension. On the plus side, Apple forcing Safari (at least till now) on iPhones and iPads will provide some diversity as people are forced to develop for that, too (and they could make their code simpler, hopefully, to work in Firefox). But then the recent developments regarding lawsuits against Apple are going to screw even that up.

[@iaqivalpro]

u should use ublock origin instead of adguard its better

[@thinghappened]

Apple required all iOS browsers to run on the WebKit engine. You can think of it as Chromium for iOS and macOS, which, as you know from the video, is not the same as the Chrome browser. Similarly, browsers other than Safari have been available for a long time. The ongoing changes are not as big for diversity as they may seem, they can easily have the opposite effect.

[@lejacobofficial]

Tbh the only reason why i switched to firefox is because of speed, cuz youtube was slowing down so bad, it was unbearable, and with the 180hz monitor, its absolutely flying!

[@EricMurphyxyz]

The new Firefox is actually pretty fast now

[@_loss_]

Yeah Firefox is a really smooth experience nowadays

[@MarsofAritia]

i thought youtube throttles non chromium browses. i use ungoogled chromium solely for yt becuase of it.

[@ettoreatalan8303]

Google did *not* develop Chrome from the ground up. Google Chrome was initially based on Webkit from Apple, which in turn was based on KHTML from the KDE project. Google Chrome is now based on Blink, a fork of Webkit initiated by Google.

[@EbenieAmazon]

"Everything is Chrome in the future Squidward"

[@fahimemroz9141]

Eric, I recently discovered your channel and I love your videos. Please keep them coming.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Will do 👍

[@softwaredevelopinglotozip4617]

i use netscape

[@ARBUZIK.dudkin]

Firefox is based on netscape. When they went out of business netscape published their engine as open source so Mozilla took it and made their own open source engine based on the netscape engine

[@LunarMoonKitten]

cool 😮😮😮😮

[@voyager1150]

people who are saying "developers are lazy" should try to develop and maintain medium-size project in their free time for at least a year.

[@aravindmuthu5748]

yes please.As a developer myself, this needs to be said.

[@BobAg_]

As a developer I can confirm we are lazy. Nothing wrong with that, that where innovation comes from. The best apps were written to make life easier. It's also where abstraction comes from. People not wanting to write boilerplate code all day.

[@Gameplayer55055]

Inventing a new js framework every day instead of using query selectors and fetch

[@auslegungssache]

@@Gameplayer55055 shit take lol

[@Gameplayer55055]

@@auslegungssache no, you don't need spa in every single app. Sometimes the multi page app is way simpler (more "lazy") 🦥

[@memetech-]

2:37 the only reason it's better is because it's Safari based, but on non-Apple platforms, and Apple usually keeps their expert development to themselves ("walled garden") to better integrate it with their own platform. Chrome, put simply, didn't.

[@qlx-i]

??? but webkit?

[@memetech-]

@@qlx-i isn't WebKit from Apple?

[@qlx-i]

​@@memetech-Yes, but it's developed by others as well. Webkit-gtk, for example is used in lots of smaller browsers (gnome web, vimb, etc.)

[@loendsti]

both webkit and the blink are based on KHTML , sadly KHTML isn't around anymore.

[@peq42_]

moved to firefox after the DRM thing, and I dont plan on going back

[@Solesteam]

Me (A Firefox User): *_Laughs in somewhat chrome-proof_*

[@bsdjail]

$HOME/.mozilla//chrome

[@M3K1E]

The biggest problem is that some shopping and banking sites barely work or just don't work at all in Firefox

[@loendsti]

strange, they all work on firefox, in my computer., perks of living in one of the so called third world countries, where monopoly laws are actually applied, lol

[@Beryesa.]

Since when Blink was made from ground up? What happened to Google's WebKit fork which itself came from KHTML lol

[@nesterus83]

As far as browsers go nowadays I have _REALLY_ started to miss the old versions of Opera that still used their own presto engine especially now when everything is just a variations of chromium with little to no differences between them.

[@James-l5s7k]

**LAUGHS IN FIREFOX**

[@V3ntilator]

The problem with no Ad-Block is that many web sites is broken if you don't use it. I don't mind ads as long as they are not making the web site useless. The pop ups, forced irrelevant video ads and whatever is annoying. When Google bans ad blockers, people will look at alternatives that support it so they can still use broken sites. There are still big companies that is unable to make web sites in 2024. There is also big news sites which are completely broken.

[@D.von.N]

As long as I can filter out ads I'll use Brave, and Firefox. Once I won't be able to do that I'll stick to the Firefox and use a chromium browser for very specific tasks that won't work in Firefox. At some point either I'll wean myself off the web and go back to books and dvds, or some genius will come with a novelty browser that will be able to work with most chromium stuff without chromium and that will be a breakthrough. Sometimes the solutions are simpler than they seem.

[@CoolusernameYeah]

I use Firefox for this reason, but the developer tools are slow on big web pages that make me want to rip my eyes out

[@SBPepperminion]

Give Google the Standard Oil treatment.

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

Fat Chance. The US government is practically on board with everything Google is doing, and they absolutely love it. In fact, according to my research, Google was originally a government experiment for crying out loud. They can basically dance around the law as much as they want anyways.

[@HaveYouTriedGuillotines]

"But muh free market."

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

I hate to disappoint you, but the US government is practically on board with Google. In fact, according to my research, Google was originally a government experiment, making them impervious to any law you throw at them. Keep in mind, Google is from a place where lobbying/bribing is 100% legal.

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

I hate to disappoint you, but the US government is practically on board with Google, making them impervious to any law you throw at them.

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

I hate to disappoint you, but that will simply never happen, as Google is simply too powerful. More powerful than any governing body of the world.

[@cadencase5216]

7:20 In the case of Jelly Mario, it's actually FireFox.

[@agocs6921]

Servo is still an active project, it wasn't discontinued. I think you meant Positron

[@ShEmDK]

Ladybird is developing their own webengine and browser, but not ready for a few years yet. Hopefully they'll manage to keep going.

[@destroyer2973]

The SerenityOS project is rolling their own browser engine.

[@magnusm4]

It's scary that Brave. The often ranked number 1 safest security browser. Is built with chromium. But it's near impossible to make a new one. As you said. It's a large complicated system now. And chromium was built to be flexible, open and easy to work with. Doing all of that yourself is too much work and expectations. Only hope is to make a base version so efficient, simple and amazing that it's a master of one. Then you can get started. And with big techs supporting it. It's impossible to get started since nobody knows you so nobody supports you. And having to do extra work just for your version, no deal.

[@clockblower6414]

Linux user chiming in to appreciate Firefox!

[@morgan3392]

Lol, I'm so used to people making videos either exactly 10 minutes or 10:01 to have midroll ads that seeing a video at 9:59 is strange to me.

[@mainwilly]

1:53 - but by being open-source mean you can make a fork (copy) of chromium and make it your own. so anyone can make changes (to the copy, not the main chromium) without being reviewed by google.

[@rrenildopereiraa]

awesome video usually i don't watch 10 mins vid but this one i didn't even noticed the time passing by xd

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Get those attention span gains

[@gehenna14]

>Why is... everything.. chrome..?

[@LRM12o8]

The prophecy has come true! ... Not exactly how we interpreted it, but it certainly has become true! 🤣

[@bloxy4074]

The fact that mypal uses gecko *I think * is Impressive

[@lenargilmanov7893]

I hate the fact that Opera switched from their own engine to Chromium.

[@TwentyNineJP]

One major reason why Chrome took off that wasn't in the list: it was (is?) prominently advertised on the Google Search page if you visit it from another browser.

[@Leonhart_93]

When you have monopoly you get advantages that give you even more monopoly.

[@DankyMankey]

The only way Google became a monopoly is just by existing lol.

[@obongonigga]

To be honest, at this point nothing can stop Chromium except some kind of legislation(that would be very controversial as chromium is technically foss), sudden death of Mozilla leadership with much more competent people replacing them, or a nation-state level effort to develop a new browser engine.

[@Morhamms357]

4:11 You say no major browsers are based on Firefox, but something to note is that Tor is. And that's used by the US CIA and other groups. Even the government agrees Firefox is way better.

[@hyplayer]

Tor is defently not made by the USA navy, not sure what you meant there?

[@Morhamms357]

@@hyplayer Whoops, turns out it's a common misconception about Tor. From what I can tell, it was made by US Navy employees (along with MIT scientists), got research grants from the government and military, and said government and military uses Tor, but they don't officially own it. Sorry for that.

[@SharunKumar]

Oh damn the about box at 2:53 is so nostalgic!

[@roccociccone597]

I actively try not to use chrome

[@ScamSafeShiba]

I remember using only IE to test my company's website and use chrome for every other thing

[@omega_sine]

I hope that the ladybird browser is able to bring some much needed competition to the browser market. Still too early for daily use but it’s nice to see something completely new.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yeah, I respect the hustle, but I don't see it gaining any real traction unless he can get some major funding.

[@HonestObserver]

@@EricMurphyxyz Never bet against a 10X Scandinavian programmer. Torvalds, Stroustrup, Hejlsberg...

[@ShayneHartford]

The only hope I have is that Google finally kills Manifest v2 and other browsers quickly follow suit, causing the web to be a terrible ad filled tracking mess again, and that Mozilla gets their act together and actually develops their browser for one in over a decade. I like Firefox, I have no issues with it personally, and I like that it's endlessly customizable with actual themes, not just color profiles.

[@andrew7720]

Gave a shot at Firefox after almost a decade in Chrome and Edge. Well its usable... But for the same tabs open it was using over 2x the ram and noticeable more cpu than Edge. Not to mention that some visual elements and fonts look off... So Edge it is again... Its the same problem as you described. Firefox would work for me absolutely. But just by having some fonts look weird, if makes me switch back to Edge.

[@vapordoll]

I absolutely agree with you, Andrew. I also switched to Firefox after watching the same video. I had been using Google Chrome. The first thing I noticed with Firefox was that it used almost double the RAM for the same number of tabs with the same activity. While the fonts do look a little different from what we're used to in Chrome and Edge, I'm pretty sure there's an option to change them in Firefox's settings. One thing I miss about Firefox is the lack of some extensions that I use with Google Chrome.

[@thinghappened]

It may have its issues, there's no going back though once you start opening new empty tabs with the middle mouse button in Firefox :)

[@JasonParmenter]

Mozilla: Let's do a thing *Mozilla: sticks with it for 3 months then scraps it*

[@LocustLikesKirby]

Remember guys, the algorithm is watching.

[@lukecwolf]

A decade ago, as a joke, I had that SpongeBob meme of Squidward saying the future is Chrome pinned next to my computer . I didn't think it would be real...

[@Motyy]

Stay strong Firefox soldiers

[@Cyantheshortproto]

We will not allow the fox to be extinguished

[@klegos]

I found out about Edge a few months ago, and what I don’t understand is how Microsoft made it worse than Chrome, while on the same engine, and still finds excuses to shove it down Windows users’ throats.

[@SuperLlama88888]

I remember having to use vendor prefixes for full support in all browsers... ...now, they're not bothering to add vendor prefixes for browser-exclusive features

[@betag24cn]

wait, people actually use that samsung web browser?

[@A1stardan]

It's great on mobile

[@lucascamelo3079]

Peoples usually use what comes pre installed. I tried it one time, kinda bloated for my taste.

[@shivamguchhait]

frr i tried to make it my main browser and later on i realized it's awful

[@rylamistrandall6517]

You can play YT videos and it stays on while using other apps, that's a W for me. Tell me if there are any other browser that allows you to do this too though, because Chrome doesn't even let you, even though the performance is slick af gotta admit.

[@Lapos.]

Brave

[@StefTechSurfer]

Great video however at the end it kind of failed to mention the positives on browser engine divserity.

[@amoggoma430]

unless it's on ios, everything is safari under the hood

[@brujyyy]

wel it was the case but European regulations required apple to let other browsers not using Webkit under the hood

[@amoggoma430]

@@brujyyy good for them, sadly i'm not in the EU region

[@ggoismartins]

It’s funny how I get a Google chrome ad in the middle of this vid😭😂

[@FabianBarajas]

I fuck with waterfox

[@NopWorks]

I put the liquid in waterfox

[@vulcanitu2578]

What a tarded way to say it

[@des4929]

Please do not the waterfox

[@escapetherace1943]

waterfox is ancient and nothing is better than hardened firefox, other than librewolf, which is just firefox pre-hardened

[@loendsti]

@@escapetherace1943 nope, waterfox isn't ancient and firefox can still collect your telemetry if they want to, now matter, how you " harden " it

[@darksoulcreeper7954]

As a web developer, I use Chromium based browser and Firefox for all my projects 😀😀. I develop them on firefox first and then test on chrome afterwards.

[@vjollila96]

Firefox gang here!

[@Cyantheshortproto]

The fox shall not be extinguished!

[@sevenredundent7256]

I mean Google has the best marketing campaign to get people onto Chrome, ever, by simply telling people "you can have a better experience on Chrome" every time they go to Google something if they're not using Chrome already. I get that Google has the money to employ the engineers to deliver, circumstantially, but people really shouldn't be as trusting of big business. It just sucks that Firefox is at the mercy of Google and if it wasn't for Google keeping them afloat, they'd probably have gone under by now.

[@JSLR4K]

The good news is that all chromium browsers besides Chrome and Edge will still support manifest V2 extensions. The bad news is that all of those browsers has a low user base, so manifest V2 developers will have no incentive to maintain their extensions in the future.

[@cewla3348]

wait, what? they're forcing v3? the shitty prototype that's hell to develop with? (i've tried, and my extension was broken until i changed the version from 3 to 2 in my manifest.html)

[@ShockInazuma]

I mean, I've seen a lot of Brave users. I'm a Vivaldi user myself. And despite being told, I'm sure there's still plenty of Opera GX users.

[@HunterEddie]

Eric Murphy keep uploading my guy

[@YdenMk-II]

I remember an Edge dev mentioning one of the final straws of scrapping the old edge engine was when Google made a change that made KZbin load slower in their engine.

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Wow, that's very interesting

[@Piss_Off_Plz]

@@EricMurphyxyz Alphabet Inc is so corrupt, it's unreal.

[@Puppet60e]

I love how Chromium is actually based off of Apple & Safaris Webkit.

[@lorenzobuero7115]

i installed firefox some days ago and the browsing engine was chrome by default, i changed to duck duck go, but i heard that they had shared user data at least twice, does someone know another browsing engine i could use?

[@A1stardan]

Which device are u using?

[@cewla3348]

1. install librewolf 2. use librewolf

[@lorenzobuero7115]

@@A1stardan windows laptop

[@lorenzobuero7115]

@@cewla3348 maybe i will give it a try later, but i heard it does not work well with youtube and some other google pages... what browsing engine does librewolf use?

[@warriorz9871]

@@lorenzobuero7115 Settings, Apps, Default apps

[@scottydude456]

Shoutout to everyone who got a chrome ad before the vid 💀

[@AnalyticMinded]

I was an early adopter of Firefox back in the day, but switched to Chromium-based in the last 5 years or so because it started giving me headaches. Right now I'm happily using Vivaldi since the devs have stated that they will resist Manifest V3. But if they lose the battle, I might just have to revert to Firefox... begrudgingly. Hopefully the US or the EU breaks up this monopoly somehow (will not hold my breath).

[@the_mastermage]

Once you go Vivaldi you can never go back. Its bad like realy bad.

[@TrentonMatthews]

you can always go the water fox route.

[@AnalyticMinded]

@@TrentonMatthews It's not the branding that bothers me. It's the performance and compatibility.

[@lucascamelo3079]

Firefox works pretty well for me. I have chome installed as a backup browser, but I don't even remember last time I used it.

[@yourdailytoilet5962]

⁠​⁠@@AnalyticMindedfirefox and the rest of it's forked browsers aren't even that slow unless you run 100 tabs daily and compatibility isn't that much of an issue either. The only time I won't use Firefox is if I'm lazy to dive deep into the settings or if Mozilla messes something up again for the 100th time.

[@GruntyGunner]

All very true, when around 2:30 you go into how it was pretty much light years ahead of any other browser they still use this tactic today by making things seem inefficient or outdated on competing browsers or just general behavior control by making minor inconveniences and the preferred path (by google) most convenient. They have way too much control. Treat them like the public highways they are but don’t live there.

[@fueledbycoffee583]

Developer here: we use chromium because its chewed work. We dont have to create a js engine, layour engine, renderer, and on top of that be compliant with the dozen of obscure APIs. Also yes, google make the shoots about features, but if you are making your own browser you fork and turn off what u dont need since most chromiun features are behind a feature flag so we have plenty of liberties regarding how chromiun behaves

[@EricMurphyxyz]

Yeah, I don't fault you at all for using Chromium. It's a great tool and definitely makes the job easier.

[@fueledbycoffee583]

@@EricMurphyxyz I do aknowledge some cool projects and even other big corporate backed alternatives like apple own webkit engine that powers safari. The problem wiith webkit is that IS HARD TO USE. We are a small team with limited R&D time and budget. so we need to go for a no brainer

[@loendsti]

@@fueledbycoffee583 SURF browser ( suckless ) has integrated webkit with almost zero budget. suckless is a german based software thingy / guys

[@zine_eddinex24]

Great informative videos keep up 🆙 😅❤👍

[@jakez6851]

Mozilla Firefox all the way. 😊

[@Vednier]

8:06 - just LOOK at that. WebBluetooth? Gyroscope? Web Serial API (access to SERIAL PORT). You call THIS new standards and blame Firefox for not implementing?

[@hoomanbing]

They're probably not going to kill competition because if they did then they could be sued for Monopoly