How Hackers and Mechanics Unearth Tesla’s Hidden Autopilot Data | WSJ

[@wsj]

Watch the full Tesla autopilot video investigation here: on.wsj.com/4dhfcm1

[@kibromwendem3816]

Lets not mistake autopilot with FSD.

[@takeabulletboy]

Behind the paywall.

[@markplott4820]

WSJ - ur incompetent as ever. reported YOU to FBI & DOJ.

[@taylork420]

@@markplott4820unhinged man makes unhinged comment, nothing new. Seek help xx

[@fanBladeOne]

@@markplott4820 hero

[@andrewright6974]

If it’s a trailer, SAY IT’S A TRAILER. Your attempt to manipulate people into paying for a subscription with cliff hangers is pathetic.

[@mapl3mage]

i'd say they should have just made the full video available and not make it a subscriber exclusive.

[@MalachiMalach]

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[@billyponsonby]

Oh the outrage

[@samuraijack1371]

They are just greedy and manipulative. Using their brand to push Murdoch ultra conservative agenda. Never ever paying a single dime to the news paper

[@complexgrafix]

exactly!

[@billywest1307]

Let me get this straight. You post this video about how you extract circuits from Telsa's, all with ominus music and how they dont want you to see it. But you never hint at what you found? Was it cool, evil, incompotent? Like give me a reason to have to pay for your rediculous site!

[@RBRB431]

It's just a huge set up to make ppl go to their website and look at a paywalled article.. what utter BS

[@kmm1863]

Not paying no matter what!

[@bossanesta]

i wonder will plane companies ever publish their blackbox also ;-)

[@thicksy]

@@bossanesta they do

[@JimsonsHome]

Exactly! They make it sound like crucial Tesla software is being stolen, while it only is a way to view the last stored camera anchor points. First of all, that is not (really) a hack - Second .. Why should anyone care? Other then to know the impressive work Tesla is doing?

[@maxmeier532]

Oh, it's just clickbait to subscribe the WSJ.

[@LesserAndrew]

WSJ subscriber here, I watched the next video in the series for you. Here's the conclusion: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@caldodge]

Yep, like the WSJ's false claim that Elon was spending $45 million a month to elect Republicans.

[@olDirdey]

"never seen a board with so many resistors....." holds and shows a board with many capacitors

[@TestMyVidsOut]

Where is the rest of the video WSJ. Was just getting interesting…..

[@audir10_tdi]

behind paywall 😅

[@gregoryturk1275]

Got destroyed by trump Russia puppet 😂😂😂

[@LesserAndrew]

WSJ subscriber here, I watched the next video in the series for you. Here's the conclusion: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@OscarakaBigO]

And nobody found out because ain’t nobody paying for WSJ lol

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

​@@asksearchknockso tell us what happened

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

​giving away free money is not "cheap". Your money is soon parted

[@joesmoe3096]

@@asksearchknockbecause their content is even cheaper

[@LesserAndrew]

WSJ subscriber here, I watched the next video in the series for you. Here's the conclusion: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@Numb_]

Wow if I knew this was just a 3 minute call to action and I would've skipped it. What a waste of time

[@xcelpast]

watch to the end then buy a wsj sub then you can watch the whole thing

[@LesserAndrew]

WSJ subscriber here, I watched the next video in the series for you. Here's the conclusion: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@TrollStationYT]

What on earth is this if your going to do a trailer say so this is like super click bait absolutely ridiculous 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@LesserAndrew]

WSJ subscriber here, I watched the next video in the series for you. Here's the conclusion: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@mikethecargeek]

2:55 says FSD Computer is using Radar sensors. Earlier models did, but during 2021 run Radar was removed claiming they were not needed and Camera-only would work.

[@kingm3llo]

someone needs to upload the video to youtube

[@ankhenaten2]

Synopsis: teslas don't got a radar so at night it only looks at lines 😂

[@segalliongaming8925]

I have a subscription, so I got to watch the full video. And I must say, this video is too important to keep behind a paywall. Hey WSJ editors, please make this video available to everyone!

[@mapl3mage]

Yea, I agree. And the full video is only like 10 minutes anyway.

[@winni2701]

Just summerize the video for us....

[@LesserAndrew]

@@winni2701"Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@notsecure]

If WSJ thinks there's major safety issue with autopilot then this report should be public, since it's not, nothing to see, nothing to worry about.

[@LesserAndrew]

The conclusion from the subscribers-only video isn't specific to Tesla, here it is: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@SB-zj2pm]

I don’t think any human would have been able to avoid that crash

[@eichen97]

Yeah, but a self driving car should had LiDAR for that exact reason.

[@maemilev]

At such speed. Of course not.

[@lillypichu4566]

​@@eichen97the question is, is this using autopilot or not

[@eddiemin4312]

That should not be the benchmark (human limitation). Why make it so that it’s just as impaired in heavy fog? Why not make it so it can aid in such situations? Should ABS just perform only as fast as a human can pump the brakes? Should polarized ski goggles not let you see better than your bare eyes? I noticed that the cameras don’t seem to have very high dynamic range (same problem with the crash involving white trailer on cloudy sky) in which case it would make it a hardware limitation. So I wonder if a human paying attention would have picked up the contrast of the black truck sooner.

[@vonoxid]

@@eddiemin4312exactly, low dynamic range is a huge limitation. Not enough processing resources 😢. For reference, the iPhone viewfinder is already extremely processed. I think increasing dynamic range or any image improvement severely compromises latency. There should be a secondary (auxiliary) spatial input. Not necessarily high-cost LiDAR, perhaps radar.

[@MelvinMyla]

Hear me out … How about pay attention to the road and not on your phone 😂😂

[@LesserAndrew]

I totally agree with the conclusion to the next video in the series: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@ancestrallight477]

Ok WSJ, if this was an attempt to destroyed Tesla’s reputation, you’ve failed. I own a 2022 Model 3, and I can honestly say, it has prevented me from getting into numerous accidents. I wouldn’t drive any other car and it’s worth every penny.

[@viaggi3945]

Your time will come if you have auto pilot. Believe me. Get rid of it while you have time.

[@ancestrallight477]

@@viaggi3945, I have FSD and I love it. It gets better with every update. Can’t wait for ver. 12.5 No offense, I’ll keep moving forward towards a better future, while you stay static in the present ok. 👍🏽

[@johnl.7754]

Reports on TESLA safety should include rate of accidents vs human drivers otherwise hard to compare

[@TrendyStone]

I bet the data will show FSD beats humans by a mile. I'm also guessing this hit piece won't cover that.

[@jorgeavelar98]

There is already public information for this. Tesla with FSD is significantly safer than driving without it

[@plebius]

That's not how this works, and if you actually studied the video you would have seen the last image before the crash shows the brake off and acceleration on when meters away from the crash. It was accelerating into. If that's what you want from your car, and to live oblivious to that fact. Well good for you.

[@plebius]

And if you do go back, notice it still does this even though it registered the crash in front of it as stationary and being a bridge across its path.

[@plebius]

That was at a range of 25m away or 75 ft. Kept going. So please tell me how safe they are when in dangerous situations (which most of the time, you will not know you are in until seconds before disaster or a near miss.)

[@PashkaBear]

Misleading title. It's just a trailer, with a link behind paywall.

[@ernestv10]

You made a misstatement... tesla do not have radar also known as lidar they only use cameras... most other manufacturers use cameras and lidar.

[@NIAtoolkit]

As a human i wouldn’t have seen that truck

[@eichen97]

Yeah, but a self driving car should had LiDAR for that exact reason.

[@MeetVyas-zz7rx]

@@eichen97tesla just has camera, not other sensors. If a human would not have seen, the car wouldn't as well. Tesla/computer is only quick to react and other safety measures

[@TrendyStone]

This is a hit piece so they won't compare FSD crashes per mile driven vs. human crashes per mile driven.

[@OmniscientIgnorance]

What you see as a human isn't the same as what you see on the camera footage.

[@Lolipopdhhdjsusudid]

0:49 - here you can see not only 1 crash - all other was for reason autopilot

[@dscarty]

“We can show a constant stream of information from the Tesla’s radar”? Really sounds like you know your stuff.

[@YT-mp7ei]

So this is a video trailer for a paid subscription video? lol NO THANKS

[@LesserAndrew]

Here's the conclusion to the next video in the series: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@presbiteroo]

To all those saying that as a human you wouldn't have seen that truck. You actually don't know, eyes see better at night than cameras. So the fact that you can't see it in a video just shows how bad cameras are at night, not that you wouldn't have seen it.

[@LostAnFound]

BTW, folks, the car is always recording. Do not think that, because there is onboard video, the car was on autopilot

[@kuravasic]

Guys, I am truly a fan, but may I kindly ask that you announce at the beginning of your videos if there is a full version available, rather than at the end? I'm a little tired of watching the short versions only to realize there's a longer version, which means I end up watching the same content twice due to how you edit the videos...

[@LesserAndrew]

I agree. They could have opened with something like, "In a monthslong investigation available exclusively to WSJ subscribers..." At least the link at the end takes you straight to part 2 without having to rewatch part 1.

[@Sect10n31]

I’m so glad I read the comments first instead of just clicking on the wsj link.

[@XOPOIIIO]

Any autopilot is much safer than humans.

[@LesserAndrew]

I totally agree with the conclusion to the next video in the series: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@babatu6717]

So the autopilot algorithm is too simple and doesn't analyze why the oncoming headlights appear and disappear when they should've been seen constantly? What a surprise...

[@bossanesta]

so this crash video is about autopilot, not FSD.. thats basically called advanced cruise control in other cars. thats mean driver need to be awake and aware the road. its just a insurance in case if you cant react. even tesla fsd is not level 3, only benz has the it, and limit to max 40mph and i think the headlight should be on high in such speeds and condition?

[@mapl3mage]

FSD won’t help in this case since the cameras in the car don’t work well under extreme low light conditions. The car won’t stop if it can’t detect the stopped car blocking the road, after all.

[@noizz4]

@@mapl3mage extreme low light condition except cars have headlights, don't they?

[@bossanesta]

@@mapl3mageis the headlines on high? it didnt look like it. but black car do take away visual strength.. i dont think i will be able to stop/react on time

[@mapl3mage]

​@@noizz4 headlights on 'regular' mode are not bright enough for the cameras to work effectively in detecting obstructions ahead. setting the headlights on high might help, though I'm not so sure there would be enough time for the car to detect the obstruction and slow down (it doesn't help if the car was traveling at 70mph and only have 5 seconds to stop) by contrast, a Lidar sensor works regardless of light conditions and can detect cars at a distance of over 1 kilometer.

[@Turbo_Todd]

WSJ doesn't seem to understand the difference between Autopilot and FSD.

[@armygarcia4life]

Way to hide that full story behind a paywall

[@o.m.2188]

I wouldn't even drive a car with a lane departure warning; let alone a car that steers itself. I prefer to cause my accidents myself...

[@brendolbreadwar2671]

Best news source, not even close

[@vladimirfokow6420]

up until the last frame (3:29) in the left bottom corner: Acceleration: ON, Brake: no 🤯

[@Turbo_Todd]

This might mean the driver was pushing on the accelerator.

[@shaggydawg5419]

Acc: On but speed is constant at 75 MPH 🤷‍♂

[@Turbo_Todd]

Driving mine, i can hold speed with accelerator pressed while using Autopilot (which is really cruise control). You can do the same with FSD engaged. ​@@shaggydawg5419

[@Aniket2712]

Honestly tue car is so nicely hidden ... Of course Tesla crashed

[@NA-rh7iy]

@@Turbo_Todd No... PEDAL : 0%

[@winni2701]

Cherrypicking an invisible truck with no warning lights on and no warning sings infront of it. love it....

[@kevinl20082008]

AND........

[@joshjhoward]

Watching the video, I can understand why the car crashed, it was very hard to see in those lighting conditions. One would think that you can't rely solely on video cameras to have safe autonomous driving, but Tesla's CEO convinced himself, his employee's, investors, and customers that all you need are cameras since that how humans see...

[@AndreaDoesYoga]

Super insightful, always wondered about Tesla's data! 🚗💨

[@MichaelToon]

What is happening to the Wall Street Journal...... ominus music and acting like it's super scary. I've owned a tesla with self-driving for 4 years. It feels like magic. So many of my friends didn't realise how good Tesla was until I bought one. These videos are so ridiculous.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Kids, can you say, "Stupert Murdoch?"

[@nesseihtgnay9419]

You know this is what China is doing to get Tesla's FSD technology

[@asianstud7]

What do you mean? Why would that be?

[@kdizzy07]

It doesn't work like that. The model is constantly improving via OTA updates and is finely tuned to the set of sensors and cameras the car has. If 1 camera is different (FOV / resolution / light sensor) or placed in a different spot in the car (in relation to the others) then the model would no longer work properly.

[@LesserAndrew]

I'm pretty sure BYD uses different technology than Tesla. For example, they've started adding LIDAR, which Tesla famously refuses to use.

[@PamelaPhillips-ed9sl]

Grumpy Grandpa here. Thank you social media for teaching us how to hack. We could not have done it without you.😂😂😂😂👍

[@tomslitovnieks8036]

The dramatic music guy really worked on this

[@qwertyuiop2994]

This is why you don't remove lidar

[@TheEditorify]

No. Lidar is useless. This is why you do not remove the RADAR in the front and the ultrasonic sensors.

[@qwertyuiop2994]

@TheEditorify lidar gives you a 360 view every 100ms and near infrared lidar can plot objects behind solid objects based on the way the light bounces. Waymo, zoox and cruise startups use this for their taxis

[@TheEditorify]

@@qwertyuiop2994 They will switch to vision for sure

[@eddiemin4312]

@@TheEditorify Yes, very other manufacturer who uses brake assist/collision avoidance would have picked up that truck and applied warning and brake because they use radar or ultasonic sensor that works fine in darkness.

[@landcruiser801]

I can drive and I dont have lidar; clearly you have no understanding the problem. Seeing stuff aint a problem, knowing what to do when you see something is a problem

[@Turbo_Todd]

WSJ should understand that Autopilot is not the self driving system on Tesla vehicles! Autopilot is cruise control. FSD is the self driving system. Confusing? Yes, but that's it.

[@B-RaDD]

And I think FSD still isn't level 4 autonomous

[@Turbo_Todd]

​@B-RaDD it's definitely not level 4. They haven't claimed that either. They promised to have it at level 4 by now though.

[@iano4027]

This is FUD. Give thumb-dwn, unsub from WSJ. These crashes are not factually linked as caused by Tesla FSD. Use the twitter community to fact check press like this.

[@kdizzy07]

the words "FSD" or "Full Self Driving" are not said even once in the entire video. You're hearing what you want to hear.

[@LesserAndrew]

I agree with the conclusion to the next video in the series: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@iano4027]

@@LesserAndrew FUD

[@einsteinsapples2909]

2:54 "we can see a constant stream of information from the Tesla's radar" 🤣, tells u all u need to know about this "investigation".

[@Hirakoz]

aahhh eyyyy wasuppp man. -WSJ skit

[@0trustt]

Should’ve kept the radar…

[@noizz4]

radar can't detect broken car in the middle of the road either, countless of similar incidents

[@davet11]

​@@noizz4yup, it can

[@winni2701]

Radar can't detect such trucks covered with cloaking-paint.

[@LesserAndrew]

@@noizz4 My base model Chevy would have flashed a red light in my face, sounded an alarm, and engaged autobraking. Plenty of other cars would have done the same thing.

[@PHDnHorribleness]

I once had a procedure done and I couldn't get the results without scheduling an appointment. I figured they didn't find anything, or else they'd want to tell me immediately for my safety. This is kind of how I feel about this video.

[@LesserAndrew]

Conclusion from the next video: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@kdizzy07]

@@LesserAndrew why are you going around leaving pretty much the same comment so many times?

[@CookinBeatloaf]

Trailer. Took more their work than the full video, which is not worth signing in for. The actual tech is cool, but they did not present it well

[@bagfam7]

That video where the Tesla hits the wrecked car with no lights would have been hit by a human driver as well. Humans crash far more often then Tesla's autopilot. And Tesla's autopilot is far better than any other manufacturer's hands-free driving system, even the GM truck one where you can play 'Pattycake'.

[@AaronVanNoy]

This video is incredibly misleading! Million of non-Teslas have been in accidents! You never said if any of these videos were in FSD where the driver is required to pay attention! Funny how all of that has been omitted!

[@acommon]

I'm so tired of this negative Tesla clickbait. Teslas have a driver assistance feature, not self-driving. If the car crashes, it's the driver's fault. You can take control or hit the brakes no problem. Lots of people use this all the time without any issues. No different than cruise control

[@walsterdoomit]

As I understand it. A hacker is a computer specialist who uses his skills to perform nefarious actions. Otherwise they are computer technicians. Not nearly as sexy sounding.

[@kdizzy07]

untrue, google "white hat"

[@vrclckd-zz3pv]

That's incorrect from a legal and technical definition, but no one ever bothers to use the correct terms anyway. Hacking is the act of exploiting hardware or software design flaws to make a computer do something it was never designed to do. Hackers are anyone who engages in hacking. Phishing is tricking someone into giving you their passwords for their accounts. In the case of what they're doing in this video, they're using fault injection (a hardware flaw) in the FSD computer to trick the computer into revealing the decryption keys for the data, which is not supposed to be accessible to anyone outside of Tesla. I briefly did stuff like this as a job before I changed careers to being a software engineer. Joe Grand has some really good videos on this type of thing.

[@walsterdoomit]

@vrclckd-zz3pv what I said is s very simplified way of saying exactly what you said. Hacking is A computer specialist. Using his skills. To do nefarious things. Otherwise, he is a specialist. I studied engineering science. I have a degree in electronic tech. I'm no programmer. I can "hack" a system using hardware. A programmer uses code. If you can do both you're truly dangerous. Crime does NOT pay. Unless daddy is rich.

[@vrclckd-zz3pv]

@@walsterdoomit that's not what I said. The guy in the video is a hacker because he's using a hardware flaw to make the Tesla computer do something it was never supposed to do (revealing the decrypted data)

[@walsterdoomit]

@vrclckd-zz3pv lol. Where is the disconnect brother? The man is a computer specialist. No? He is using his skills. No? Using the skills to manipulate the computer. Right? Now weather you consider this nefarious (meaning up to no good) Is your point of view. He is using his skills to manipulate the system to make it do other than what it was intended to do. He has hacked the system. He is a hacker. If he installed the hardware and used the system correctly as intended to improve it or alter it to enhance another system He is a technician. Where is the disconnect here?

[@jazzybeat28]

GOV should demand Tesla to include a water mark on the video to indicate if it was on Autopilot.

[@om3667]

Can’t wait to learn more!

[@acdnan]

I know journalists need to be paid but i do not associate WJS with quality news I would pay for. Im fine with not watching the full investigation.

[@sarahtolbert3]

This was a good watch

[@SirHackaL0t.]

Did anyone else not see the car in front until we hit it?

[@litojonny]

what a nothingburger video..

[@nufh]

Solely relying on a camera is not enough, especially during the night.

[@homeofthefree8656]

You rely on your eyeballs (a biological camera) to drive at night though. The driver is still responsible unless the system malfunctions. The car isn’t going to do everything for you yet

[@yannick_yt]

​​@@homeofthefree8656yes bc we can't put radar or lidar into our eyes. we can however use such advanced technology to make our cars safer

[@richardsauer1667]

Elon Musk says cameras are enough. What are your qualifications that allow you to make such a statement?

[@networkzsupport]

@@richardsauer1667 If lidar was cheaper he'd be singing a different tune, camera only level 4-5 autonomy is still sci-fi

[@homeofthefree8656]

@@yannick_yt so should I put radar or lidar in my 1999 Tacoma? I don’t want to, I don’t need to, because I drive the truck and pay attention. My point is that you’re criticizing a vehicle with self driving capabilities that was never designed to be fully autonomous. You are still responsible for driving the vehicle. I don’t want Tesla to put radar or lidar into their vehicle and integrate it into the computer because how much more money would that cost? The U.S. government under democrat leadership has been pushing very hard for all EV’s by a certain date, which means they may force me against my will to buy one. I’d prefer a cheaper car, I’ve driven teslas and they do a mighty fine job self driving on cameras alone, with an alert driver.

[@rtreax1543]

As humans we couldn't see that crashed car in the dark and we expect Tesla to see it 😂 Tesla sees the environment like humans, we have eyes and Tesla has cameras not sensors like radar or lidar

[@kuntalgo]

Elon Musk has is watching the full video with his lifetime premium subscription.

[@RichardsWorld]

Tesla drivers need to take control in certain situations such as coming to that road crossing and when the police were stopped on the highway. No telling what the driver was actually doing. On the last one I think most people would not have seen that truck the highway with no lights.

[@andrewokoto]

So you want me to pay to watch this right?

[@discoverlight]

He looks like an average Rich Rebuilds KZbin subscriber.

[@josechung7713]

Tesla should have included Lidar in their autopilot system.

[@doctoronye]

Autopilot does not crash. Drivers crash.

[@TheFlatronify]

Interesting teaser, but to be honest, if I were driving a car manually, I wouldn't have seen that crashed, unlit black pickup truck in the middle of the night any earlier either. That wreckage was an unseen danger. I'm always amazed that such crashes seem to be completely ignored in the US. The truck on the right just drives past this dangerous crash site without slowing down or putting on hazard lights. What is wrong with people? Does no one care about others anymore?

[@helmutshotthesheriff1942]

What a waste of time... Just RIDICULOUS.

[@topspot4327]

Jeff on the move 😁 Careful elun😅✌️

[@kennylee7962]

Still don’t know what I’ve learned from the video…

[@Sunless-Sunny]

Matrix headlights might have prevented this crash. From the video, it seems that a human driver would’ve had difficulty avoiding the accident with the level of visibility…

[@johnlove6598]

I am 80 and can attest that Tesla autopilot is an awesome assistant enabling the elderly and disabled to drive safely. You fail to mention that Missy Cummings was forced to recuse herself from Tesla matters whilst she was with NHTSA; an unforgivable oversight for a journalist. Furthermore Musk has recently "cracked the code" of FSD with Tesla Vision proving Missy Cummins completely wrong that FSD was impossible without Lidar. She is not a credible critic.

[@digitalplayland]

Beta or supervised autopilot or FSD the driver is responsible for supervising the car.

[@LesserAndrew]

The conclusion to video 2 highlights that: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@Dahoon]

Right at the crash: Accelerator: ON Brake: OFF Yet another Tesla that drove its driver straight to his grave and then denied it. Musk needs to be forced to undergo all Tesla crashes himself at 100% impact.

[@Elite_Warfare]

a subscription to watch SMFh

[@toastedg1]

Oh so if i have a death wish just turn on teslas autopilot

[@mapl3mage]

A key point made in their video is that Tesla does not use Lidar sensor, unlike most other car makers like BMW, Nissan, etc. instead, Tesla decided to cut corners by only using camera and sonic sensors....which works fine when there is sufficient ambient light, but can struggle under very low light conditions. The night time car crash shown in the video is one example of the limitation of the technology in any Tesla car. Because it was too dark, the camera had trouble detecting the stopped car blocking the road. By contrast, Lidar sensors work well even under extreme low light condition because it uses its own light source (laser). Maybe the car could have detected and safely stopped if it had a Lidar sensor, but eh...profit over safety is Tesla's motto.

[@noizz4]

only people never worked with lidar think lidar is the perfect silver bullet, without even knowing the resolution and refresh rate of a lidar, not to mension the noise and all kinds of false positive.

[@mapl3mage]

@@noizz4 Lidar can detect obstructions over 1,000 meters away regardless of light conditions of the road. Meanwhile, a headlight on high is only bright enough to see up to around 120 meter ahead. facts don't care about feelings.

[@doddo12]

​@@mapl3mage Cost is a feeling and is important. Lidar is expensive, complicated, bulky. Sure, it's not worse in every single aspect, but there is a reason why other self-driving automakers went bankrupt. For example, steel is strong, yet we use aluminum in cars now. It might be weaker, but the cost of manufacture and cost of the gasoline outweighs this.

[@Chris-Brown-]

We all know Autopilot always turns off 2mS before every crash and therefore telsa autopilot is never in control when the driver crashes the car

[@seva4411]

What a waste. This is an example of why I canceled my WSJ subscription a few years ago when they took the farce of the Jan 6 Committee serious.

[@morten-punnerud_engelstad]

How do you know it’s data from the Tesla, and not just the “hacker” using programs like YOLO to pretend it’s Teslas own software…

[@stantonmurray6754]

This is lazy journalism, and the WSJ paywall version is worse. How does the crash rate compare to manual driving? Who is most at fault, the flipped 18-wheeler, the person behind the wheel who can intervine, or the computer? It’s not perfect but is it safer?

[@loweryjk]

Not lazy, they are anti Elon.

[@LesserAndrew]

I totally with the conclusion to the next video in the series: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@forrest714]

When can we expect a full release?

[@alexandrei64]

Anyone who actually watched the full vid? What did they find?

[@TwoNote]

Watched the rest of the video, nothing revelatory. They had another expert discuss how auto pilot is not as safe as marketed, and the woman who lost her husband is suing Tesla.

[@BLAISEDAHL96]

So when’s the GM Ultra cruise hardware extraction video coming out? Oh right, no one cares. Tesla is leading the industry on multiple fronts, and will crush legacy auto despite GM having a +20 year lead on EV technology.

[@brocklagunas3055]

Next they’re going to say “To stop these crashes, please vote for Kamala Harris”. 😂

[@rwcodev]

I'm technical guy this kind of approach in the news it's needed to understand what's going on under the hood in this companys an their products.

[@ZhiYin]

It's very irresponsible to call these crashes "Tesla Autopilot crashes", and this video consistently did so multiple times. They should be called "Crashes of Teslas with AutoPilot"

[@okay4403]

Ominous music just explaining autopilot and that it works and sometimes crashes. It’s an assistant haha

[@eichen97]

an assistant that they call FULL SELF DRIVING?

[@okay4403]

@@eichen97 this video is about auto pilot, not FSD. Different products

[@magicair6021]

Love how Hackers and Third party Mechanics are in the same sentence. Like a free independent media, they too are criminals 😂😂😂😂

[@bensmith5413]

Behind a paywall.

[@naf2579]

Tesla bring back actual radar sensors. Your junk camera system doesn't cut it, phantom braking is a real thing. The fact that those cars are allowed on public roads is baffling.

[@LaJuanHughes]

So you have tried it in the last year. Plus

[@ForestFelvey]

The WSJ has reason to go after Tesla because Elon Musk's X is their biggest competitor. They made this video to imply Teslas crash a lot while on autopilot. They don't. The WSJ has little journalistic ethics left.

[@Radi0he4d1]

You can get WSJ access through a local library or your university. Just saying

[@aerohk]

3:27 Even a human drive cannot see that, since there was no light. If the TSLA has a lidar, the car would have seen it earlier.

[@FrankJustice369]

So there was a vehicle crashed into the lane in the dark ? Is that what the video shows How is this the teslas fault ?

[@LesserAndrew]

I agree with the conclusion to the next video in the series: "Computer vision is such a deeply flawed technology, and we're not doing enough to determine how to fix its gaps and how to make it recognize objects. [...] Having the car do most of the driving for you and requiring you to pay attention to make sure nothing bad happens, I don't think this is going to be a long-term technology that we keep in the cars."

[@lil----lil]

That people would "trust" their LIVES 100% with Tesla's autopilot is just MIND BOGGLING. I'm talking DEAD or Alive. This isn't some kind of fun or games. This is REAL LIFE OR DEATH.

[@vincentwong4581]

Do we have a hacker that can post us the full video link without subscribing?