Tesla Dashcam Footage Suggests Reasons for Autopilot Crashes | WSJ Exclusive

[@daviddefortier5970]

I would say if the car has to remind you 150 times to focus... Then you shouldnt be allowed to drive! The other problem here is the car should actually not disengage autopilot, but rather pull over to the side, then disengage auto pilot & not allow the autopilot to reengage for a set period of time.

[@mmark300]

It's not really like that. A driver could easily have both hands on the wheel and fully attentive and this warning will pop up. You have to actually be applying force to the steering wheel to let autopilot know you are there. It also now watches your eyes and after a few seconds of not looking straight ahead a different warning pops up - something like "keep your eyes on the road"

[@DontMe__]

Autopilot doesn't just flat out disengage when the driver doesn't respond to nags. It alerts the driver loudly , slows down to a stop, and turns on its hazards.

[@aiyabanana2849]

Autopilot is like if you're not focusing I'm not going to autopiloting eventhough we're going to crash! 😂

[@skip181sg]

@@mmark300if the driver received 150 alerts… was coherent…. Was holding the steering wheel….. Pretty sure they ( I certainly would have) disengaged auto pilot

[@mmark300]

@skip181sg No, you wouldn't have disengaged. Unless I'm adjusting the radio or something to let the car know I'm still awake, I get 2-3 warnings per minute. This is with one or two hands on the wheel and paying attention. It's VERY common to get this warning bc it takes a decent amount of rotational force on the steering wheel to let it know you're still there. And if you give it too much force, autopilot disengages.

[@Mkvkuv]

That Tesla driver should be held accountable. You need to take over when you see an emergency vehicle, no matter what

[@danielreid6823]

Yes, that Telsa "autopilot" SHOULD be held accountable

[@xvx4848]

Musk needs to be held accountable.

[@Mkvkuv]

@@danielreid6823 no, you agreed to TOS to always be ready to take over when in auto pilot. Clearly the driver wasn't

[@danielreid6823]

@@Mkvkuv I bought a welcome mat, that says agree. You're welcome

[@danielreid6823]

@@Mkvkuv please.. come over 😉

[@DoingthingswithDAN]

Can you imagine the driver just sitting there watching and waiting for the impact.... Or was he not watching.

[@Mkvkuv]

He was too intoxicated to care

[@tonespeaks]

@@Mkvkuv This is the real issue, because what the report failed to mention, is that Autopilot is just an advanced cruise control. It in no way takes responsibility for drving the vehicle. If the driver was just using cruise control would they have driven into the Emergency Vehicles???

[@___Truth___]

@@tonespeaksIf that’s the case then Tesla deserves to be sued for false advertisement when they constantly express how autopilot is a early version of Self-Driving versus Cruise Control

[@lucaskp16]

@@tonespeaks still tesla fault for calling it AUTOPILOT and making it look better than it is. people will trust their lives and others to drive the car in a state they cannot.

[@tonespeaks]

@@lucaskp16 "making it look better than it is" Tesla can't be at fault in any way here. It is a driver aid, just like cruise control is a driver aid. Tesla has always stated it is a driver's aid and that the driver must be alert at all times, since it is their responsibility to control the vehicle. I'm a Pilot and use Autopilot, I know that I must stay alert at all times, because the system is just an aid. Not sure how anyone can misunderstand that. More importantly there are millions of Tesla's on the road, if this was really a huge issue with the name wouldn't there be more crashes. Intoxicated people routinely crash into Emergency vehicles this is a common thing, one of the reasons officers approach vehicles on passenger side, because they used to get side swiped, by inattentive and intoxicated drivers.

[@xuepingsong5329]

Time and time again, autopilot is L2 no matter what the marketing says. If you can’t drive without it, you can’t drive with it.

[@heyaisdabomb]

What about the cops? Are we going to act like parking in the middle of a highway for a "traffic stop" is safe? Blame the driver all you want but accidents with 2 parties take 2 parties to create. Had the cops parked on the side of the road like normal, nothing would have happened.

[@vasiliyt8600]

​@@heyaisdabomb They blocked the lane to provide protection for the officers. They also had the flashing emergency lights on. If the Telsa drivers' brain wasn't on constant hibernation mode, he/she would cut the speed long before and drive with a save distance around the obtsacle.

[@chadwickwood9843]

Haha they are suing tesla? Sue the driver. What a bunch of idiots. Autopilot team still has work to do, but this is ridiculous.

[@vasiliyt8600]

@@stanvassilev LOL. It's not about just "numbers". We are talking about scientific fields. And yes, it's 100% drivers fault. *Level 2* (Partial Driving Automation) This means advanced driver assistance systems or ADAS. The vehicle can control both steering and accelerating/decelerating. Here the automation falls short of self-driving because a human sits in the driver’s seat and can take control of the car at any time. Tesla Autopilot and Cadillac (General Motors) Super Cruise systems both qualify as Level 2. *Level 3* (Partial Driving Automation).... *Level 4* (Conditional Driving Automation)... *Level 5* (Full Driving Automation) Level 5 vehicles *do not* require human attention―the “dynamic driving task” is eliminated. Level 5 cars won’t even have steering wheels or acceleration/braking pedals. They will be free from geofencing, able to go anywhere and do anything that an experienced human driver can do. Fully autonomous cars are undergoing testing in several pockets of the world, but none are yet available to the general public.

[@tgsoon2002]

@@chadwickwood9843 also the autopilot is the lower tier version. Tesla ai is working on FSD mostly.

[@dw4070]

The driver 100% caused the accident the moment he got in the car and Drove While Intoxicated. Hopefully no one was seriously injured.

[@danielreid6823]

Sorry, I'm confused. By driver, do you mean the Telsa?

[@th0master]

@@danielreid6823 the person who got in the car, while they were under the influence, which is illegal btw. Not the Tesla, the Tesla is not the driver, the person behind the steering wheel is.

[@danielreid6823]

@@th0master so who was driving in this incident?

[@javiervasquez8797]

Not making judgements until I know the # of incidents per miles driven while in Tesla’s autopilot/fsd, compared to the # of incidents per miles driven in all other vehicles.

[@th0master]

@@danielreid6823 the person behind the wheel, the drunk, intoxicated driver, the Tesla is just assisting. When I use my Tesla with auto pilot, I am still driving, I am still paying attention, the Tesla is just helping me. Is a car using cruise control driving itself? Or is it just helping you drive the car?

[@rylans.5365]

You can take over at any moment. If the driver was paying attention (which he wasn’t), there was more than enough time to slow down and change lanes. The driver is obviously at fault.

[@feuermurmel]

I think Tesla should focus on making driving safer instead of more convenient, i.e. autopilot paying attention _alongside_ the driver, not _instead_ if the driver. I.e. you'd still have to do all the maneuvers yourself with autopilot just intervening when you're obviously making a mistake. Then the issue of keeping drivers attentive would be solved or lessened.

[@danharold3087]

@@feuermurmel How is Tesla not doing that with autopilot ?

[@trerou4300]

no Tesla's fault why just keep going front of stop car

[@seeker4430]

Maybe he was expecting the autopilot to change lanes

[@moos5221]

@@seeker4430 i think he was too drunk to drive, so it's obviously the auto pilots fault only.

[@rickkern5785]

My Buick has lane keep assist and cruise control. It does not prompt me to keep my hands on the steering wheel. If I had hit the emergency vehicle they would be suing me, not Buick.

[@drjekelmrhyde]

Pretty your GM car's cameras in the steering wheel is watching your eyes.

[@dansin468]

What if it was your family hit by Tesla. Same with guns I know, alls good as long as it’s not one’s own kid in the school where shooting happens

[@rickkern5785]

@@dansin468 The obligation of anyone who gets behind the wheel of a car is to be sober. Yes this was a terrible accident caused by a Drunk Driver not by the car. The car prompted him over and over to pay attention. Does your car do that? There are hundreds of terrible accidents every day part of living with roads and highways cars and trucks. The lowest accidents per mile driven are Teslas on autopilot. The data is overwhelming. Only a moron would blame this accident on Tesla and not the driver. No other car would have stopped this accident from happening with this drunk driver behind the wheel.

[@blisphul8084]

If the US had good public transportation, people wouldn't need to drive drunk. What do you expect people to do to get home? Ubers are expensive. (If they even operate in your area)

[@dansin468]

@@rickkern5785 can’t be sure. No other car has self drive. And American ingenuity has no limits

[@st-tube]

Should be called Copilot? If it's warning the driver an excessive number of times maybe some preventative measures should kick in

[@itsmeprasad1987]

That’s what I was thinking in morning

[@incyphe]

they should just remove the word "pilot". Call it "assist'.

[@thula2890]

The name is just a convenient excuse to write another attack piece on Tesla. They could name it whatever and people would still ignore the warnings to pay attention and cause an accident. Every driver knows that there is a risk everytime they get behind the wheel, Autopilot is no different and you are made aware of this when you engage it. There will always be idiots who choose to f@(k around and put everyone else at added risk.

[@nickbien]

Lot's of automakers call it something like that. Ford calls it CoPilot360 or BlueCruise, VW calls it Travel Assist, Volvo calls it Pilot Assist. All those names make it pretty clear that it's an assist system, not a fully autonomous system. But yes, Tesla needs to rename "Autopilot"

[@davenz000]

Doesn't matter. It was a drunk driver.

[@christopherg2347]

Okay, a few things: 1. Do not market L2 Automation as Autopilot. That is intentional mislabling of a product. 2. _Why_ does the radar have issues detecting stationary objects? Stationary things are way more dangerous then things that are moving away from you! The wall or end of the traffic jam is more dangerous then some vehicle changing lanes a full safety distance away. 3. Do not disengage the assistant before impact. Keep it running so it keeps slowing down, until a human override happens. 4. Somewhere before 150 attention warnings the system should say: "Okay, either my sensors are faulty or you are faulty. I am off for the night."

[@steve_is_my_name]

Regarding 3. The braking will continue even though autopilot disengage.

[@PerMejdal]

As I understand the car only has the cameras as input. There is no radar or lightdar.

[@steve_is_my_name]

@PerMejdal for self driving to work, remove complexity. All the roads of the world are setup for vision only.

[@berdugosocials9854]

No matter how smart the technology, it can't compensate for human disregard and neglect.

[@B-RaDD]

How about when using FSD? who is responsible then?

[@berdugosocials9854]

Do you not read Terms & Conditions? There is always that clause from companies that states that they can’t cover human negligence or stupidity.

[@raybod1775]

Not true, bad software.

[@xx133]

It’s marketed as full self driving. That’s the whole point…

[@nogibertv4824]

@@berdugosocials9854 You Read Terms & Condition?

[@dluchin1998]

I've yet to read about an autopilot case where the driver was actually confused about what it could do because of the name. They willingly misuse it, just like people text and drive. Nobody blames Apple when someone crashes texting and driving.

[@quantuminfinity4260]

I would make the argument that this analogy isn’t fully comparable, Elon Musk has repeatedly and continuously vastly overstated the relative ability of self driving and when full self driving will be available for essentially 6 years at this point. It would be like if Tim Cook said, “Actually, iPhones will be impervious to damage with iOS 17 later this year and actually be safer than using a phone case.” But then, in the fine print say it's actually just as susceptible to damage. Except in this case, no matter how many issues it has, Siri won't make a sudden dangerous move to kill you out of nowhere. Elon flaunts the relative safety of full self driving, but in reality it’s the full self driving plus a human babysitting it, and constantly preventing it from making terrible decisions. Even so there are still many many cases of auto pilot, making an abrupt decision that an attentive human driver is incapable of correcting for in time.

[@douglasgroff7648]

Autopilot and FSD Beta are completely separate software suites. Autopilot has absolutely no intention of ever being more than a Level 2 Advanced Driver Assistance System. FSD Beta has the explicit goal of becoming a Level 5 ADAS, hence the currently $15,000 price tag. Why can’t anyone understand this difference. As far as NTSHA saying that the term Autopilot is misleading, maybe they should talk to some of their compatriots over at the FAA, who is also under the Department of Transportation umbrella. Nobody thinks that “Autopilot” replaces the need for at least two licensed pilots to fly commercial airliners, who are constantly monitoring the system’s performance. Just like Autopilot reduces the workload for commercial pilots and reduces fatigue, Tesla Autopilot has the stated intent to reduce a car driver’s workload and thereby reduce fatigue. In neither case does Autopilot eliminate the NEED for an alert and attentive operator at the controls.

[@JoseSanchez-ku9mm]

Right they weird people is something else

[@saaah707]

The problem is it's designed to do something that is inherently dangerous in the first place (driving). Whether it's their "fault" or not, we as a society can't afford to have a device with such a catastrophic failure mode around us

[@madmaximilian5783]

@@saaah707 by the Tesla driver being impaired or under the influence should still count as operating a motor vehicle while impaired and liable for the crash.

[@shockingguy]

Good report, I drove a model three for three months, 17,000 miles, I used auto pilot many times but it has issues and you need to be awake and aware, I do not think any of these products whether it’s full self driving or auto pilot are perfect, they should all come with extreme warnings that you need to pay attention and be aware of what’s going on

[@kenbob1071]

They do warn you to pay attention. Every single time AP is activated you are warned to keep your eyes on the road, hands on the steering wheel and be ready to take control. The system also warned this doofus over 150 times. This accident is the fault of the man behind the wheel.

[@patriciazoerner]

They DO come with warnings!

[@edwilko8819]

there are loads 9f warnings. you have to touch the screen to say you agree to t's and c's 😮 morons mine you do

[@shockingguy]

@@edwilko8819 Yeah yeah yeah I should’ve changed my initial statement because I was fully aware of those warnings But I honestly think they should be strong

[@Legorreta.M.D]

@@shockingguy question, knowing these Teslas have had accidents (some even change directions to drive over cyclists), are you not more stressed with the autopilot than without?

[@jeffchandler6285]

It's a two-part system the car did what it could, drunk driver failed and thus should be charged for the crash.

[@danielreid6823]

Wait.. the "autopilot" was drunk?

[@jeffchandler6285]

@@danielreid6823 😂🤣😂 no the driver that car gave so many are you dead? alerts to.

[@danielreid6823]

Respectfully, it seems like you're drunk "no the driver that car gave so many are you dead"

[@jeffchandler6285]

@@danielreid6823 nope just a bit early in the am, inadvertently worked through the night. Fortunately no driving involved.

[@johngriswold2956]

Really good presentation of this event. Fair, and not clickbait-y. Thanks for the straight reporting, WSJ.

[@Bruh-wb3qw]

Other than the whole “recall” thing at the end which is misleading, it’s pretty good. Surprised they aren’t spewing constant lies anymore.

[@garykubiak]

Horrible representation of the events. They don't mention that the driver was intoxicated until much later. The whole point of this video is to slam Tesla's autopilot. Think they'd make this video if the driver was using Honda's cruise control? Exactly.

[@GeorgeOrwell-tp8dw]

Other than the fact they are describing Full Self Driving... which this car doesn't have, and calling it Auto Pilot.... sure...

[@xac1d]

1:35 "driver is intoxicated." end of video lol

[@blackspiderman1887]

The driver is at fault in that particular case. You're supposed to move over when you see emergency vehicles.

[@ProXcaliber]

Just for that reason? Not because he/she got in a car while intoxicated in the first place?

[@L2002]

Why didn't Tesla change the lane? Also they replaced sensors with cameras, why not keep both

[@ProXcaliber]

@@L2002 Does your average car with lane keep assist or adaptive cruise control change lanes automatically? Because that’s what this is.

[@theforce34]

150 notifications for a 45 min drive? That dude wasn't paying attention at any point.

[@smallfgb]

Yes. If you watch the road, way fewer inputs are required. Also, seems to prompt when it needs you to watch - just like it did for this accident

[@ryantakahashi9130]

​@@smallfgb No, those prompts are also when it detects you aren't holding the wheel after a certain period of time, something like every 30-60 seconds , not just something you need to pay attention to. The prompts are different when it detects something you need to pay attention to. The "apply torque to the wheel" prompts are just the default "are you still there" prompts. Someone paying attention would have at least 1 hand on the wheel the whole time, they just wouldn't be steering themselves. This person was likely dazed and half asleep but the beeps were enough to trigger them to put a hand on the wheel then probably dropped them immediately, hence completing 150 of them in such a short time.

[@mmark300]

It's not really like that. A driver could easily have both hands on the wheel and fully attentive and this warning will pop up. You have to actually be applying rotational force to the steering wheel to let autopilot know you are there. It also now watches your eyes and after a few seconds of not looking straight ahead a different warning pops up - something like "keep your eyes on the road"

[@elenabob4953]

It doesn't matter, as Tesla didn't detect the emergency vehicle. I could happen to any Tesla user. By the way, in other automotive companies and especially in Europe if you have a few prompts the autopilot will disengage because that is the sane thing to do.

[@tonyli2612]

You’ve obviously never driven a Tesla

[@NigelzXX]

Have to agree the name autopilot confuses many. But isn’t auto pilot for tesla means cruise control and certain level of lane keeping? Autopilot and fsd is totally different

[@david100483]

Yes, it’s pretty clear when you engage autopilot that you are ultimately in control and responsible for driving. It’s just that some drivers abuse the use of it. I think the officers are trying to get a payday from tesla…the responsibility is all on the driver of this crash.

[@dluchin1998]

It doesn't confuse anyone. How could you think you don't need to pay attention when the car is screaming warnings at you that you need to pay attention? Some people are just fools and misuse it by not paying attention.

[@ciello___8307]

yes, but tesla's marketing suggests it is more like FSD (which its not)

[@lachlanB323]

FSD is something that is payed for separately.

[@NigelzXX]

@@dluchin1998 you need to understand there’s plenty of fools out there who don’t read instructions and follow instructions. 😂😂

[@jonathanmelhuish4530]

So an appropriate title for this video would be "Tesla autopilot fails to prevent drunk-driving crash".

[@awesomeink]

Keep in mind Tesla "autopilot" is a completely different piece of software from FSD. Autopilot is there lane-keeping software with cruise control it does not drive the car and it's not responsible for breaking or Lane changing. Quite a lot of cars drive into other vehicles while the cruise control is on and the drivers not paying attention maybe they should pay attention to the facts and not the tagline. NHTSA found that 392 accidents in the US in the last 10 months involved cars using advanced driver-assistance technologies. The other 384 cars were not Tesla's so it's not just a Tesla problem

[@kutaplex]

There is only one company that actively tries to pretend that their cars have full self driving capability. It is Tesla, who even puts disclaimers like 'Driver is only there for legal reasons' on their promo videos. It's a scumbag company run by a scumbag.

[@malikkelly]

Videos like this need to make this more clear. They would cause panic

[@alexyooutube]

Are you sure "FSD" software will recognize that Police Vehicle? I agree Cruise Control or Tesla "Auto Pilot" should be responsible for Changing Lane. But, it should be responsible for Braking. In fact, Tesla Autopilot attempted to brake, but it was too late.

[@ProXcaliber]

@@alexyooutube It helps when the driver is actually alert and not intoxicated. Proper use of all these systems is what is important.

[@Thebackson]

No mention of how many vehicles without autopilot hit emergency vehicles every year? Let me give you a hint, the answer is in the thousands. It isn't an autopilot problem, it's a driver problem.

[@AshTheNimbat]

Yet newer Tesla vehicles pretty much depend on the camera than sensors which could've at least swerved to the side.

[@WinstonsGarage]

Facts!

[@Cassp0nk]

The cope is hard.

[@Thebackson]

@@AshTheNimbat If you were up to date on why they removed other sensors is that multiple types of sensors can cause conflicting information and the programming then does not know which one to believe. Relying on the cameras the way we rely on our eyes has proven to be the better solution. But there are over 3000 accidents of this type every year without any driver assistance features. The problem is the drivers. The software is not perfect but it is better and getting better every day. This driver being intoxicated was the problem. Autopilot and FSD will eventually be the solution to drunk drivers.

[@kurtphilly]

@Thebackson How do the number of vehicles that hit emergency vehicles without Autopilot matter in this situation? The whole point of theses type of systems as they are marketed is to prevent accidents. As you note, this is a quite common situation, one that should be a high priority in the design of this system. This a driver and Autopilot problem because one relies on the other. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

[@TheRealVranesh]

I don’t own a Tesla nor planning to buy one after I rented one for a long road trip. This accident is squarely on the driver. These systems are auxiliary systems. The driver is still responsible.

[@smallfgb]

Funny how Tesla is called out so much. I own a Ford with Blue Cruise. That system is not as good at staying in lane and recognizing even more standard dangers, yet requires no hands on the wheel unlike AutoPilot. My Tesla drives WAY better and also requires I pull on the wheel a few times a minute to ensure I’m paying attention. I closely supervise both systems at all times to avoid dying, but if they are considering pulling Tesla’s system there are many not as good aids out there that don’t require as much input as Tesla.

[@michaelc7014]

There's definitely a bias out there

[@98f5]

Audi / VAG has a great system, requires hands on the wheels and actually stops for stopped objects but yeah when youre behind the wheel it seems so obvious to pay attention and not trust some glorified cruise control

[@deamon5959]

Good point - probably because there are a lot of Teslas

[@CreekThaGray12]

The features of staying in one lane and the car alerting you to not holding the wheel are the same as in my 2017 VW and 2020 BMW. In both the driver is the only one that could have prevented this. Anything the Tesla does outside of this is an improvement. The car company does not drive the car the person in the car does drunk or not.

[@theinteloutside]

dont drink and drive ....but when stupidity strike this will always happen

[@heyaisdabomb]

At least the guy was smart enough to trust auto pilot over himself. The human here would have 100% crashed, as much as I hate elon musk, autopilot IS safer than a human. And the data doesn't lie.

[@paladro]

@@heyaisdabomb there is no silver lining to this story

[@theinteloutside]

@@heyaisdabomb driving when your drunk doesn't make you smart bruh...make your facts straight😂😂😂

[@Emanuel-jr2ii]

I think the same would have happened if the driver had not engaged autopilot. The driver was clearly not paying attention at all. That's on top of the fact he or she was intoxicated... Imo, the driver is at full blame here. The autopilot software is in beta and should be used as one.

[@Sam-cl1ow]

Why is beta self-driving software a feature in cars that are on the road? There are clearly some issues with the software, so it should not be available to everybody. Of course the driver is at fault, but that also doesn't mean that we should excuse Tesla for allowing drivers to use a buggy piece of software that is capable of killing people.

[@carlosrodriguez1958]

⁠​⁠@@Sam-cl1ow wrong, people who dont use the feature correctly (ie, dont pay attention while driving 🙄) are at fault and not the company that also explicitly says you must pay attention while driving. Tesla is not dishing out “buggy piece of software capable pf killing people”. People are killing people, abusing a software that is not capable of driving autonomously YET. And then people blame it on the company in a bizarre attempt to shift responsibility just blows my mind

[@Closer-than-it-appears]

@@carlosrodriguez1958 Tesla cannot contract out of its liability to a 3rd party via an agreement with its customer. It is foreseeable that someone would use or misuse the autopilot in circumstances such as these, rendering the vehicle dangerous to someone not party to the agreement. Tesla must therefore take steps to ensure the system can safely bring the car to a stop when its customer does not comply with its limits. To do otherwise is to expose innocents to risks they did not incur, exposing Tesla to claims of negligence. Liability will likely be apportioned between Tesla and the driver.

[@Censortubes]

Imagine letting a beta test run wild risking others lives.

[@Censortubes]

​@@carlosrodriguez1958its called auto pilot is it not?

[@AntanWilson]

Let's not blame the car because he was drunk. The system probably prevented 85 other crashes he could have caused in his 45 min trip.

[@xandr13]

Excellent point.

[@hightechjoe1]

However, the system might have also enabled him driving while drunk many times before. Unfortunately, short of breathalyzer test no system may have reliably prevented the driver from operating the vehicle.

[@ryantakahashi9130]

​@@hightechjoe1 True, but the system could do something like prevent drivers from even using autopilot at all if they trigger a certain amount of prompts in a short period of time. Consistent failure to follow the rules means you aren't paying attention so you don't get to use the feature. It would at least help some, even if it doesn't completely solve the problem. At least then the drunk driver has to decide, do they risk it and try to do it themselves? Or do they make the better decision to just park and sleep it off? Would have been better if this person just crashed into a median in the first 5 minutes under their own control than at freeway speeds into a group of people. Not to mention if the autopilot wasn't hiding the fact that they were swerving without it, people might have just called 911 to report a drunk driver. I've called it in a bunch when I noticed really really drunk or erratic drivers.

[@Screwycummings]

@@hightechjoe1 I think every car in the future should require a breathalyzer test to start the car. I know people will complain about it at first, but it will become a standard feature just like seatbelt did.

[@laudnunoo1915]

The humans should be held accountable. why were their eyes off the road?

[@thefamily512]

humans lol 😂

[@anieljaedrian]

Yes

[@jimfergusondev]

At 1:54, could you please provide clarification? Did the user have Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot, or FSD (Full Self-Driving)? I'm asking this because Autopilot, which comes with every Tesla, does not perform Lane Changes, contrary to what the video suggests. Lane Changes are possible only with Activated Enhanced Autopilot or FSD. Basic Autopilot is designed to maintain speed and avoid cars in front, while Auto Steer keeps the vehicle centered in the lane. Also, if the driver's foot is on the accelerator, Autopilot will not disengage. The car owner can request diagnostic data from Tesla, which can reveal the pedal states and the car's decisions. I'm not dismissing the incident; I'm just seeking clarification

[@mmark300]

If they had their foot on the accelerator there would have been a message on the screen, if I remember correctly. Autopilot will also shut off if you accelerate past 85mph

[@jimfergusondev]

@@mmark300 FSD and Enhanced will disable until the vehicle is parked if you take them above 85 with the accelerator without deactivating them.

[@rndmprsn3532]

cops also don't help themselves by randomly blocking lanes and not getting stopped vehicles farther off the road or moving to a safe spot. this is dangerous for everyone and causes unnecessary backups, crashes, and slow downs. as we see here

[@LocTran-ws2ip]

Police cars were parking in 2 lanes. That was a problem as well. On the highway, when you see, that would be too late.

[@wensiangfong]

Wonder why the police don’t park inside the emergency lane…

[@candle_eatist]

The tesla camera saw the cars from like a mile away. That's too late? Yeah I don't know about that.

[@Anon1mous]

What it it wasn’t a police car but a disabled car?

[@someguy6075]

If you can't see a large obstruction until it's too late to stop, you are driving too fast for conditions, period.

[@user-nu9qi4cg4c]

If you can't see a police blocking two lanes ahead then you shouldn't drive period...

[@Jason.W.]

Unpopular opinion. Why are the police cars even in the lane? The initial suspect was on the shoulder, why impede traffic and cause higher risk of hazard? Why were there no cones or lead up warnings placed? Maybe stop the practice of pulling people over on narrow shoulders, lead them to under a bridge or a rest area.

[@mro2352]

Even before it was mentioned my thought was AI confusion from the lights from the emergency vehicles. Heck, for some drivers they have a hard time distinguishing the details of an emergency vehicle at night because of how bright they are, how do we expect the same from an AI system?

[@CoryVY]

This is what I was thinking watching this video. Emergency vehicle lights are becoming dangerously bright, especially at night. When they are flashing at night, other drivers simply cannot see the outline of vehicles, any personnel around the scene, and they are often so bright they cause a dazzle reflex and Flash Blindness. I understand the need for them to be bright to catch the attention of other drivers during the day, but they need to be dimmer at night.

[@person749]

​@CoryVY Exactly. Modern emergency lights are a danger. Until that changes I think it would be wise if these cars automatically slowed and ultimately disengaged when emergency lights are detected.

[@budisutanto5987]

LED outlines vehicle. There was two tourist using three wheeled vehicle made in India called Bajaj. Because they almost always get hit from larger vehicle at night, they put LED light. It's a safer travel after they put those LED.

[@AndersonChan]

Autonomous driving technologies are destined to improve and prevent collisions such as these in the future. For now, we still live in a world where autonomous driving is not perfect, and it should be the human driver's responsibility to monitor the system, knowing that the system isn't perfect. With the driver being intoxicated, they should not be operating a vehicle, period.

[@MarkusLanxinger]

who could have thought that 1.2MP cameras and no radar would be a terrible idea. Just look at the Waymo vehicles in contrast.

[@Lazy2332]

Why do they not have radar??????

[@phillyphil1513]

re: "Just look at the Waymo vehicles in contrast." exactly, there's more SENSOR FUSION happening on those things than an Apache Helicopter.

[@ProXcaliber]

This is in 2019 when the cars still had radar, it's even mentioned in the video. This is also what is called Autopilot and not FSD which are two separate systems with entirely different capabilities. Autopilot is basically lane keep assist and adaptive cruise control, like in every other modern car on the road.

[@wi11ialvl]

There is a difference between autopilot and self-drive for Tesla's. Autopilot is basically just cruise control with lane keep assist and some other features. Self-drive mode might have recognized the situation, but I have no idea. What say you Tesla?

[@mikerigley1]

This is an issue: too much marketing hype with “autopilot”. It should be called “crossed control” or “copilot”. Full self driving should have sorted this though. But it’s foggy and confusing for the cameras. Still the humans fault though; the driver should have noticed the bright flashing lights and took control, slowed down and moved further across the lanes. Autopilot is trusted to much which is partly the name and owners not reading the manual which does state that it is basically lane and cruise control, like so many other cars have.

[@Robin-vv9iy]

Only Mercedes has a Level 3 Self Driving Assist.

[@brethitmanhart275]

Not sure you can blame this on the car. The driver is 100% at fault

[@yeer32]

Exactly the driver is intoxicated, regardless of the vehicle manufacturer this would've resulted in the same outcome probably much sooner in the drive.

[@blablup1214]

As much as I don't like the Tesla company. A drunken driver that got about 150 warnings and seemed attentive seems a little hard to blame solely on the car I mean the "autopilot" responded too late But besides making an alcohol test and stopping the car because of too many warning in too short of time I don't know what this car should have done

[@ChessIsJustAGame]

Agreed, drunk is drunk, no excuses, driver should not have been behind the wheel regardless. Too many driver aids and not enough good drivers.

[@thula2890]

​@@blablup1214This happened at night time, in inclement weather with lots of lights, any sane person would've known to be more cautious and to perhaps take manual control. Autopilot is not meant to be full proof, it's an ADAS System. Why do you have to fault the manufacturer if what happened is within the realm of possibility and drivers are informed of the risks and repeatedly told to pay attention. At what point will we start holding drivers to account?

[@danielreid6823]

Sorry, I'm a little confused.. by driver, you mean the car?

[@Ixa90]

As a person who works in the engineering space i think it’s better that the police are suing Tesla this puts a heavier emphasis on training the model to continue the hype around autopilot albeit the driver is still responsible for the crash this could possibly make tesla and other self driving models safer

[@peterh3213]

if someone texting while driving will kill someone from your family, will you expect the police suing Apple? (just trying to understand your logic)

[@KarelGut-rs8mq]

@@peterh3213 The logic is quite easy to understand. If a person, being as drunk as this driver appears to have been, is able to get on the highway and "drive" for 45 minutes then the Tesla Autopilot helped him achieve that feat and thus it helped/enabled him to commit a crime and it's not unreasonable to hold it responsible for that. If a system is capable of "assisting" people doing stupid things like climbing into the back seat as has been seen on numerous youtube videos then perhaps there should be some safeguards introduced that stops that sort of misuse. Failure to ensure that misuse of the system is impossible is reason enough to hold the manufacturer co-liable for the result of the behaviour.

[@peterh3213]

​@@KarelGut-rs8mq the logic is quite easy to understand, but unfortunately does not make any sesne :( we should then sue every car manufacturer where a person could get behind the wheel and crash because without the car produced it would never happened. let's sue the state for building a highway because you know, based on this logic it enabled to drive a drunk driver fast what would never happen if there was a forest like 150yrs ago before building the highway there. tesla's autopilot is actually a helpful system because it lowers the probability of crash of someone drunk unlike other car manufacturers. I still stay strongly behind my opinion, that person being drunk is fully responsible not the car manufacturer. Same applies for gun manufacturers, you can pull the trigger and there is no safeguard to unable you to do it ... sry but you and ONLY YOU are responsible and should be sued. No car or gun manufacturer is responsible for your actions. Or country for building the highway, if we strictly follow the logic.

[@mahasish]

@@peterh3213 But Tesla claims that there cars can drive on their own which is misleading. Check elons tweet "Very few people realize that Teslas can drive on their own" and name Autopilot itself.

[@peterh3213]

@@mahasish i don't think that some tweets of a major shareholder and CEO is considered a manual ... each manual clearly states that you can't be driving in the back seat or drunk ...

[@icomxwing42]

Having had two teslas with FSD, FSD beta is getting better, but is nowhere near being trustworthy. Under ideal conditions it usually works on the interstate but on anything else it drives like a 16 year old kid. I personally have seen autopilot freak out and disable with no warning. I suspect the many accidents Tesla says had autopilot disabled are due to this behavior.

[@logitech4873]

Tesla counts AP accidents as long as AP was engaged within 5 seconds of the accident.

[@CameronsCookingChannel]

I think it's worse than a 16 year old kid. More like a 10 year old... I've had mine drive over curbs, drive between TWO lanes, stradling the line, make a sudden left turn at 25 miles per hour... I am too scared to use it now.

[@icomxwing42]

@@CameronsCookingChannel and the same system controls regular cruise control, windshield wipers, and headlights.

[@kenbob1071]

I suspect that many accidents were caused by negligently inattentive humans behind the wheel. P.S. I've never had AP or FSD disable without warning. It always beeps very loudly and says to take control before it disengages. In fact, it rarely disengages.

[@marhanen]

@@icomxwing42 factually untrue

[@suvari225]

It is said by the narrator that Tesla Autopilot slowed down the vehicle before impact and then disengaged. Why is that? Does it mean the driver panics at the last moment and disengages the autopilot? I drive Tesla for 2 years now, and never had a moment that it disengaged by itself. if the driver doesn't obey the warnings to touch the steering wheel, it actually slows down the vehicle and pulls over to the side of the road with hazards on. So, it does not disengage like that.

[@Hans-Yolo]

My guess would be the car made an emergency brake and then the driver also hit the brakes or pulled on the steering wheel and that disengaged AP

[@mmark300]

I've had moments where it disengaged but bc I also grabbed the wheel at almost the same time, I couldn't always tell which happened first. There was an incident, though, that I dont think I touched anything forcefully enough and it made me believe that it shut itself off. I was actually surprised that it wasn't still on. It was in road construction

[@km077]

@@mmark300 Maybe the road construction crew had emergency/warning lights on and the system figured it would be better for the human to take over, since near responding vehicles the situation tends to be rather unusual/chaotic.

[@km077]

@suvari225 They also stated in the video that if the AP does not detect driver attentiveness, it just turns off, which is not true, as you correctly said. Though I heard that if it detects something very unusual, it might insist to let the human take over, who as-designed, is meant to be always ready to resume manual control. They stated it engaged the brakes, then disengaged itself. The brakes most likely remained auto-engaged, only to be disengaged if the human re-elevates the pedal or the vehicle comes to a full stop. (Though the latter is only my good-will speculation.)

[@epender]

Teslas have been known to intentionally disengage Autopilot right before impact, this way they can claim that the system wasn't active at the time of the accident.

[@mitchellsmith4601]

We can talk all day long about how Autopilot is the most advanced self-driving technology available…but Tesla can’t get Level 3 approval, while Mercedes has Level approval in at least two states already. Mercedes claims they’re liable if the car makes a mistake while their Level 3 system is engaged and working.

[@peterhelm522]

I don’t know the limitations of the Mercedes Level 3 system Drivepilot in the US. In Germany it is useless, because it only works on certain highways and sections. Speed must be below 37mph, no construction site, good weather, must follow a car. When do you have these conditions? Mercedes is good on paper!

[@timbehrens9678]

​@@peterhelm522 You just described 50% of traffic on the SoCal highways. Seems pretty useful to me. By the way, all the Autobahnnetz in Germany is available for DrivePilot.

[@gabrielchow1994]

Autopilot and FSD are different. Autopilot is merely Adaptive cruise control. FSD is the one that is "most advanced self-driving technology available" that you referred to.

[@timbehrens9678]

@@gabrielchow1994 It is not the "most advanced technology available" because it is running cars into the emergency vehicles or causes pileups by phantom-braking.

[@kenbob1071]

@@timbehrens9678 newsflash: human drivers run into emergency vehicles hundreds of times/year. And the fact that a drunk driver on Autopilot runs into an emergency vehicle means that the technology isn't perfect. It doesn't mean that it's not the most advanced tech available.

[@ChessIsJustAGame]

Glare. I've had to pass, safely, emergency vehicles at night and have to shield my eyes from the extremely bright flashing lights to prevent night blindness and pain. Maybe the emergency lights should dim a bit at night? They work great during the day, but make no allowance for dark environments.

[@ChessIsJustAGame]

That said, drunks are drunks and should not be driving, period. Throw the drunk in prison and let Tesla pay the victims. Fair enough. People need to stop being lazy and impaired behind the wheel.

[@danielreid6823]

I'm sorry, did you say glare? Have you heard of this wonderful thing called, the sun

[@nickbien]

At night the police cars need to be able to be seen from far away. The lights don't need to be dimmed, they've never been an issue for people who are driving without being under the influence of something

[@thersten]

Or how about adding a new feature like a ping. Every vehicle could have a sonic ping in the future so that every car knows where every other car is.

[@Tmb1112]

@@danielreid6823 have you ever actually drove a car? At night, lights cause glare. Everyone knows that. It’s tough. And unlike during the day, you can’t wear sunglasses and darken the already dark road ahead just because sometimes cars driving towards you have their brights on. Also, ever turn on a bright light in the dark? Your eyes aren’t ready for it.

[@th0master]

So now we’re blaming Tesla instead of the DRUNK driver? If the driver wasn’t drunk and was paying attention, this would’ve never happened.

[@mattbrinkerhoff3229]

Kinda funny how that works. Same thing as blaming a gun lol

[@ironymatt]

I'm fine with blaming both. Generally speaking, the people who design driver assist features are well aware of the potential for such features to have the side effect of decreased driver attentiveness. This is a problem of too much tech, and there comes a point where the solution of even more tech suffers diminished returns. Good driving requires sound judgment, both need to be taught, and that dynamic is compromised the more the car does everything for the driver. This system, much like the drunk, should never have been on the road.

[@th0master]

@@mattbrinkerhoff3229 agreed, we shouldn’t blame guns, we should blame the ones using them, aka more gun restrictions!

[@evoluxsion7339]

@@mattbrinkerhoff3229 👏👏👍

[@evoluxsion7339]

@@th0master LOL doesn't matter how much ink on a piece of paper you have. Bad people will always break rules and find a way to do it.

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

Jeeze. Even my non-FSD / non-autopilot Mazda would have braked for that.

[@kevinbrown9425]

nuh uh

[@smallfgb]

The Tesla did brake. The reporter says slows, but probably this means brake input. At 65 a Mazda system would hit it too probably.

[@lukerinderknecht2982]

@@smallfgb Tesla needs radar, not just cameras. Braked way late.

[@logitech4873]

@@lukerinderknecht2982 This Tesla had radar lol. The driver was drunk. They could've been pushing the accelerator all along for example.

[@smallfgb]

@@lukerinderknecht2982 2019 Teslas all have radar. This is older story too so likely active in software too. Vision only was 2021 models forward. Probably the prompt for hand on wheel was due to the radar ping. My model 3 doesn’t just fixed interval ping for hands on wheel, but instead prompts when it sees problems. Much longer intervals on long empty highway than DC suburbia for example

[@bhutia10]

Having a logical discussion on anything related to Tesla and its self-driving capabilities is hard. The Tesla fans don't want to hear anything negative about the company or the technology and the Tesla haters don't want to spend time on the nuances of building an autonomous vehicle.

[@kurtphilly]

I couldn’t agree more.

[@Worldaffairslover]

They’re cultist fanboys

[@danielreid6823]

Well, I gave it a shot. (If you read the comments section). It was my first time, but WOW was it ever comical 😂

[@Thebackson]

That is because a logical discussion is exactly what is wanted. Just because it is not perfect doesn't mean it is not better and is not actually saving lives. Thousands of people die every year from drunk, drowsy, and distracted driving. Turning off the tool that is saving lives is not logical. You dont want a logical discussion, you just want to ignore the facts.

[@danielreid6823]

@@Thebackson I just love that every comment says "read more" Nah, I'm good thanks

[@jerz8289]

As someone who has owned several Teslas and currently own a 2018 Model X, Autopilot is still, hands-down, more reliable than any other system offered on the market. That said, they recently disabled the radars in all 2021 and previous models in favor of a camera-only suite, aptly named Teslavision. The combination camera/radar system has worked flawlessly- always braking when approaching someone from behind, maintaining the distance set (three car lengths for me), and speeding up when slow drivers move. In addition, when Enhanced AP is enabled on the highway, the vehicle will automatically sense cars merging onto the highway and slow down just a bit for any vehicle in close proximity attempting to merge. When changing lanes, it always waits until the lane is clear- even sensing vehicles approaching at a fast rate of speed, and waiting before lane change. I personally have never had mine continue to drive at speed while heading towards a stopped/slow vehicle. It cannot be understated- the system is constantly evolving, undergoing changes every update (on a weekly basis). It can only get better and safer.

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

How is technology that is designed to assist you, flawed? And how is “flawed” different from misuse of a system that CLEARLY tells you to pay attention at all times?

[@purplepill2024]

Did you even watch the video? 5:25 drivers placed a tape over the internal camera. That's a flaw right there.

[@paladro]

dude, the autopilot not autopilot shouldn't be an option... tesla is beta testing on the public roads and claiming they have no responsibility for their own ceo's words and marketing.

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

@@purplepill2024 you can use a fake seatbelt clip to trick the car into thinking that you’re buckled and stop beeping at you while you drive around without a seatbelt. Lots of taxi drivers have them. Do you think that’s a flaw?

[@purplepill2024]

@@TomTom-cm2oq- the fact you have to even ask shows how out of touch you are. Yes, that's a design flaw.

[@61rampy65]

Wouldn't you call technology that can't recognize a stationary vehicle in the road flawed? Sounds like you think hi-tech will fix everything.

[@johnmanderson2060]

This is what happens when you have visual only FSD, with LiDAR this would never happened.

[@thefamily512]

thanks for your expertise, can you teach us about rocket engines and spacex too?

[@mujjuman]

This Model X had radar too

[@lacikeri3102]

This type of rollover accident is typically the fault of radar-based systems. Only if it doesn't happen with Tesla, they don't make a case out of it, and other companies typically don't even record the case, they don't have data like Tesla. But anyone who deals with this sort of thing knows that the kryptonite of any such emergency brake assistant is the non-moving obstacle. Think about it. It's quite a problem, it would be if you always braked on poles or trees on the side of the road. This has been fixed pretty well with the visual system. My Tesla still has radar. But it became much more accurate and better when it was switched to the visual system. In heavy fog or rain, he can see clearly better than I do. Besides, if he can't see, he slows down. (Lidar does not work in the rain)

[@johnmanderson2060]

@@mujjuman You are right, my bad. But is it Radar or LiDAR ?

[@johnmanderson2060]

I am still amazed that a simple color analysis of flashing lights doesn’t arrive to the conclusion the car should slow down ( IF BRIGHT RED AND BRIGHT BLUE FLASHES ALTERNATES => SLOW DOWN ) You don’t even need high level object recognition, JUST COLOR PATTERNS in the video feed. As humans we do it every day behind the steering wheel. Maybe FSD is colorblind except for traffic lights. Or color isn’t considered important in the recognition process.

[@benjaminehrenberg]

I’m still waiting for my Tesla autopilot update which can turn it into a “Robo - Taxi “ and make me 30000$ which Elon Musk claimed to deliver in 2019.😂

[@rj8u]

You wish 😂 You probably can't afford $15k for the FSD 😂😂

[@danielreid6823]

​@@rj8u​@rj8u Well you can get it online from G2A for $12.99 Mark 2702 or Rich Rebuilds

[@wr2382]

I doubt that you own a Tesla considering you don't seem to know the difference between Autopilot and FSD.

[@km077]

@@wr2382 You would be surprised to learn how many of its owners don't know that difference either. Elon's marketing too and I bet Elon owns *_at least_* one Tesla. xd

[@tofuhunter3797]

It seems to be completely unreasonable to assume that it's possible for a person to be even close to as attentive and reactive when using autopilot (or a similar thing) as when they are driving. Using these systems basically trains the driver that the car will react and that the driver doesnt need to. So you create a system that trains people to not react quickly, so obvisosuly, they do not react in time. I'm very excited about these technologies being implenented, but it seems insane to make the users liable for these accidents.

[@mr.monkeytail9059]

It is possible for someone to be both. Just like flying an aircraft which has autopilot and all sorts of bells and whistles the pilot is trained to take over and keep control over the plane as their responsibility. Just like Tesla. If you are driving on autopilot and see something in the road and the system is not detecting it. You need to take action or over all take action before. You as the driver hold a responsibility of driving safely just like a pilot holds the responsibility of flying safely regardless if autopilot is on or not.

[@ChrisWehadababyitsaboy]

120 yards sure looks closer than I thought

[@ProXcaliber]

Looks like at least 50 bananas to me.

[@Anon1mous]

I cannot put 100% blame on the driver even if he was drunk. The fact that the car had to wake this man 150 times should have been a clue that he was not with it and should have stopped the auto pilot. Tesla specifically markets this option and has to know if it’s abuses. They either need to stop this option of have more safety measures to prevent its abuse which they clearly can.

[@mmark300]

It's not really like that. A driver could easily have both hands on the wheel and fully attentive and this warning will pop up. You have to actually be applying turning force to the steering wheel to let autopilot know you are there. It also now watches your eyes and after a few seconds of not looking straight ahead a different warning pops up - something like "keep your eyes on the road"

[@RichardBaran]

God I hope they find it flawed. You cannot have full auto pilot without radar (removed in the newer models) and LIDAR and even with that doesn't seem likely with current conditions.

[@wr2382]

That car had radar and it was being used, as was repeatedly stated in the video.

[@Maxime_K-G]

Autopilot and self-driving vehicles should be outlawed. You can't leave the operation of a 2-ton motor vehicle up to a tech company and their computer program. If there's no one willing to be alert and in charge of operating the vehicle maybe the trip shouldn't happen in the first place? Cars are dangerous and personal accountability by the driver is an important part of preventing crashes.

[@vangelissotiropoulos7365]

In which world do the emergency vehicles are allowed to stop an entire highway lane w just their hazards on and no one else stopping ongoing traffic!! Even if it wasn’t the Tesla, it would have been another vehicle just as easily crash into them..

[@evoluxsion7339]

It's common in Texas to see badly trained law enforcement creating dangerous situations.

[@netj]

any sensible human driver would slow down and/or change lanes to avoid most hazards, but we'll have to train machines from scratch to do the same via fatal accidents from countless trial and errors like these... by the time we complete the technology, I'm afraid machine's track record will never be better than all human drivers' safety records

[@maemilev]

Even my Roborock AI S8 vacuum cleaner still cannot recognize the pre-mapped no-go zone and still visits it at least once every week. Why? Simple yet still happening.

[@rj8u]

So wait 🫣 we're blaming autopilot for the drunk driver 🙈. What the society and main stream media now is ridiculous. Autopilot is a glorified cruise control period!!

[@RichardBaran]

Blaming telas for pretending "autopilot" is well autopilot regardless of the driver. Remember robot taxis "it would be financially insane to buy anything but a tesla"

[@rj8u]

@@RichardBaran The biggest flaws of the free Tesla autopilot system are it does not react to traffic lights , stop sign and Emergency vehicle because Tesla wants people to shell out $15k to get those features. The federal regulators should mandate Tesla to include these features to the current Autopilot due to its driver tendency to misuse the system and cause an accident.

[@archigoel]

@@RichardBaran both are separate matters.

[@km077]

​@@rj8u If they misuse, it's on them. It's a fricking road and its safety, not a "cheat the system" competition. But yes, their microtransactions are ridiculous.

[@jaybratab]

The more you drive, you drive better. This is also applicable to a single instance of driving. Responsiveness increase as you continue to drive, till you get tired. Any driver is bound to loose his alertness and responsiveness over time, if autopilot keeps doing all the task of driving correctly. Now he will not have the required responsiveness required at high speed to avoid a danger situation. At lower speed he will be fine. But higher speeds require heightened response which require a heightened state of his body and mind.

[@hansonel]

If you can't drive a car without autopilot "driving" the vehicle for you, you shouldn't have a drivers license IMO.

[@Alan-tjj]

If you can't set a car on autopilot and it drives the car .. You've been lied to and fell for a scam.

[@adamr4198]

We just got our first car with adaptive cruise control. It is great and very seductive. Stay alert folks the machines are good but far from perfect.

[@derekndosi]

The rest of us use the metric system, yards mean nothing to us. Put metrics measurements together with the imperial ones

[@seanlavery6477]

3:08 minutes in the video the Wall Street Journals image of the cameras is wrong. The Left side and right side cameras forward of the door mirrors on the front fenders are actually facing the back of the car and not in front of the car.

[@bartofilms]

I have never understood how NHTSA and local DMV’s ever allowed ‘AutoPilot’ to be used on public roads in the first place. There’s no way that their software and sensors can react to every possible roadway situation.

[@icosthop9998]

Agree Beta 301.4.5 maybe capable ❔️🤷🏼‍♀️

[@RedAngelS60R]

I have never understood how NHTSA and local DMV’s ever allowed ‘People’ to be used on public roads in the first place. There’s no way that their brain can react to every possible roadway situation.

[@darryngeeroms3727]

Imagine every car had that technology. And they all talk to each other and knew where they were and didn’t hit each other.

[@informant09]

@@darryngeeroms3727 You dont live in reality, mate.

[@ProXcaliber]

@@informant09 He lives in the future where this is likely to happen.

[@fairbanksbrian]

At 4:47, it's stated that the autopilot disengaged when the crash was imminent. Would I be correct in assuming that it releases the emergency braking at that time? If so, that's absurdly irresponsible, as every little bit of speed reduction before impact helps.

[@Omie334]

Model X 2019 did not have a cabin camera to tell if the driver is paying attention. The camera was added later. The newer version of full self driving detects lights easily and slows down drastically for emergency vehicles which is something that AP and FSD lacked until recently. It was something that we have been complaining about for the longest time. Everyone that drives on FSD or Autopilot knows and signs off on the fact that they are in control and there are situations where you have to take control. The driver should have been paying attention and should have taken over in this case. I hope that this brings attention to the issues and flaws that are being brought up in the systems and hopefully fixes the issue. I wonder how the new hardware 4 setup would respond to this situation especially when they enable the radar module. I am not a fan of the fact that tesla is depending on vision only. Thats a huge flaw.

[@stephencampbell9095]

With the latest release of FSD I have experienced the car moving out of the right lane for stopped vehicles. Especially if pedestrians are present. As soon as it passes, it immediately returns to the lane.

[@eprofessio]

Why were there police cars parked in the traffic lanes. The hubris of law enforcement is amazing and appalling at the same time.

[@BradThomas]

I have the full self-driving package on my 2021 Tesla. With the many updates I've received over the years, I'm pretty sure they fixed this issue. Whenever I approach police car lights now, the car immediately alerts me and starts to slow down. Accidents like these are bound to happen if people are being irresponsible with the technology that is still in beta. It's incredible technology but I do agree it's named wrong. It should have been named copilot and if they ever got to level 4 autonomy, it deserves the name change to autopilot.

[@Guesswhokk]

Then why we don't see kind of issue fir airliners? Tesla design for the general public, NOT designed for professional airline pilots who require frequent training every 6 months. "Beta" is a prototype therefore the "public" become test subjects, it means humans should be in control in most situation by default as describe in L2. How would you feel if "Beta and L2" holding a gun by a robot (Robocop) and not operating a car? Let wait for Tesla to send next update after they already randomly shoot people? You seem to suggest the value of Tesla is more important than the people who shares the same road?

[@BradThomas]

@@Guesswhokk The drunk guy who caused that accident should suffer the same repercussions as if he was driving the car without using Autopilot. No one has to pass an IQ test to drive so I'm more nervous about the person next to me driving vs a Tesla driver on Autopilot paying attention. Also, with how many people I see texting while driving, I'd rather have a person with Autopilot activated and texting vs someone driving a regular car while texting without Autopilot. More people are going to die today because of a bad driver, not from Tesla's Autopilot which keeps improving every month. Which BTW, is very safe if the driver is paying attention like they should be to begin with.

[@dazm901]

in 2021, Tesla decided it would be better off without radar and abandoned the sensor. It was first removed from Model 3s and Model Y production, followed by the Model S and Model X in 2022.

[@christang2371]

This hapend to my dad when he was in his Toyota, Lane keep didnt seee a disabled car around the corner and crach into it at 45.

[@smallfgb]

I was thinking this too. Have a Ford that is hands free and does worse than my hands on the wheel Tesla. If they recall Autopilot, they’d better pull them all because I don’t think any others are as good

[@TomNook.]

Irrelevant. Why didn't your dad see the car? HE crashed into it.

[@thefamily512]

Shouldn’t be driving, time to retire

[@christang2371]

he did see it. assumed the car woud do somthing but it didnt coudent correct in time.@@TomNook.

[@christang2371]

51 years must be too old. im 22 dude @@thefamily512

[@RBzee112]

Didn't Tesla switch to camera only autopilot?

[@Eli.347]

Yeah thats most likely a factor that tesla should have never removed

[@thomi100]

One accident was after the update was released - but did the driver install it?

[@logitech4873]

You have to install them yourself yes

[@joop1991]

Why are they sueing Tesla? The driver is responsible for the vehicle, he even acknowledges a warning to apply force to the wheel (3:56). He should have looked at the road at that moment (at any moment to be completely fair). It's insane that people just trust those self driving vehicles even tho you're always responsible as the driver.

[@davidhuber6251]

Drunk driver causes accident while on cruise control. Sue the maker of the cruise control. Sounds like America. Thank you for the unbiased and factual coverage.

[@doubleclutchonline5811]

The reasons for the crash was because the driver was intoxicated.

[@willardchi2571]

How in the heck could Tesla not have tested their systems for the detection of stopped emergency vehicles with flashing lights, and have done so in all types of weather conditions and times of day? When airliners began to incorporate autopilots of increasing capabilities such that the human pilot was left with almost nothing to do except to monitor the autopilot, the human pilot's attention would frequently wander and the result was more plane crashes instead of fewer. The result was a scaling back of autopilot capabilities so that the human pilot would still have to enough to do to keep his/her attention from wandering.

[@541er]

Airline pilot here. That is actually not regarding scaling back of autopilot capabilities

[@kenbob1071]

It's the driver's responsibility to take control in situations like this. It's like following GPS instructions to drive into a lake. Sometimes you have to use your brain for critical thinking.

[@willardchi2571]

@@kenbob1071 - Pilot inattention caused more crashes than automating airplane flight to the point that pilots had nothing to do but "monitor"--the FAA found the only solution was to revert to having the pilots actually go back to being more hands on in flying the plane to keep pilots attentive. This was learned some time ago (because it was easier to automate flight than it was for automating driving on the ground).

[@Censortubes]

Nobody wants to point out the thing didn’t even try to engage brakes? Does the safety braking turn off during auto pilot? My toyo won’t even move something in front of it.

[@stevev3142]

Tesla autopilot will disengage if it detects a problem and alert the driver. The dash cam footage does not display if autopilot was engaged or not.

[@Censortubes]

@@stevev3142 < when you try to gaslight a way out and don't get the point. What's it like having a room temp iq?

[@user-to2rf1rj5v]

The driver is in FULL control at all times. The car never fights you for control. It's no different than cruise control. IF you fail to take control as necessary, the fault is 100% on the driver.

[@simplesepticsecrets]

What a great ad !!!

[@MichaelSHartman]

Interesting, and informative video. If the driver must be there for everything, including having their hands on the wheel, and can be sued if the autopilot malfunctions, why not just drive it manually? It is an impressive novelty.

[@km077]

A normal, functioning driver would easily stop this crash. Everything the system does, it does under driver's supervision (and therefore under his or her responsibility). If the driver fails to perceive a full-on frontal collision, then excuse me- it's on them.

[@jacobcastro6398]

FSD and AUTOPILOT are in leagues of their own. So make the known there’s a difference rather then putting them in the same category. They do the same thing and drive but one is more advanced

[@steveblake4187]

I have often wondered if it's really necessary for multiple emergency vehicles at one scene to all have their lights flashing. It can be disorienting for drivers going past.

[@levilangley8744]

…. Are you being serious

[@andyeoli67]

Autopilot was designed so you may rest your hands and feet from driving, BUT NOT YOUR BRAIN. When your life and the lives of others may be in danger USING YOUR BRAIN may help you reason that machines ARE NOT PERFECT and will never be perfect....

[@mariovenenno]

He was drunk… why are we even talking about Tesla this entire video makes no sense “HE WAS DRUNK”

[@actualyoungsoo]

If he is intoxicated, does that crash still be a fault of the autopilot? Him crashing into the police cruiser is his destiny after all.

[@battulga91]

Can emergency vehicles not block the road when possible? Especially when the visibility is reduced.

[@GiesbertNijhuis]

This case is simple: at this level the driver has to be ready to take over at any time, he did not, he is guilty.

[@CannabisTechLife]

Should also look into how teslas take out motorcycles from behind at night because they have difficulty reading the break lights and think motorcycles are farther away than they actually are.

[@danielreid6823]

Yeah I saw too. Great video

[@recoverytwentyforce7290]

I think add a beacon and transmit with posion, direction, condition, car type, speed and add reciver for car is better.(emergency running or emergency responding with car stopped and other...) In Japan, these function is available by "ITS connect". in case,when arriving emergency vehicle, standby vehicle can move before reaching emergency vehicle and make more smooth operation. For normal people, recive emergency vehicle approaching more faster, and can make faster reaction, and can save more lifes. this system support transmit remaining time until change the traffic lights

[@robp.7732]

I've driven with auto pilot and it will warn you to take over and brake... so i believe the driver was asleep and couldn't react... and alway when you see lights flashing, you are supposed to brake and get to the next lane to avoid stopped traffic.

[@jeffsteyn7174]

Why are you guys calling it autopilot. Teslas and the fanboys markets it as FULL SELF DRIVING. Yet the fanboys in the comments all of a sudden is calling it autopilot

[@stephencampbell9095]

It’s being called autopilot because it is different from FSD. Autopilot is a little smarter than dumb cruise control. FSD drives better than most other drivers on the road.

[@thula2890]

My issue with these continued stories is that it disincentives innovation in this space by shifting the responsibility from the irresponsible driver to the car manufacturer. Everyone who engages Autopilot is made aware of the risks and cautioned to pay attention because it's an ADAS system. I'm sure there are situations where Autopilot error resulted in an accident but, instead of investigating those the media attacks Tesla when drivers choose to knowingly break the law by driving drunk or circumventing the safety systems put in place.

[@itsmeprasad1987]

Exactly. The driver becomes even more careless and zero vigilance’s

[@RichardBaran]

Any evidence it disincentives innovation? No. Because there is none. "Everyone who engages "autopilot" is aware of the risks..." what about the people around that car?

[@organizedchaos4559]

@@RichardBaran exactly, Im' sorry but I didn't agree to these terms.

[@nicholasnapier2684]

State troopers have a program that they can use to plug up to those underneath the dash they can see the footage what the car sees and what they were doing up and to that accident braking, etc.

[@danielforget9311]

They don't mention the lives saved by automotion (not the self driving mode), the internet is loaded with the Tesla car swerving to avoid stopped cars before the driver.

[@HiddenAgendas]

That's stupid. You know how many times everyday drivers avoid accidents as well w/o the help of the POS beta system Tesla released. lol

[@yaughl]

Misusing ANY vehicle system should be grounds for *permanent* license cancellation. Too many drivers should not be allowed behind the wheel of any vehicle, let alone one which may facilitate inattentiveness caused by, but not limited to intoxication.

[@revaddict]

Ah yes another hit piece by WSJ, this does not actually explain why it happened nor does it explain that similar issues can happen with other cars offering similar basic technology.. My 2015 Acura MDX has lane centering and radar guided cruise control and can for the most part take a lot of fatigue iut but that does not mean I should not be the one controlling it..

[@alexyooutube]

Did you watch the whole video? It has explains why / how the accident happens.

[@kenbob1071]

True. What they don't say is that hundreds of emergency vehicles are crashed into every year by regular ICE cars, or mention how many accidents are caused by drunk drivers. Put this guy in ANY car and he would have crashed.

[@uswwt]

On the bright side, we need to give Autopilot some credit for driving the drunk driver safely for 45mins 😅

[@johnthakidiyel5468]

We are looking at this scenario wrong. Autopilot just stopped him from another 20 crashes in those 45 minutes of driving. This person wouldn't have hesitated to drive after drinking, be it a Tesla or any other car he had. Also, how can we blame Tesla when Autopilot does exactly what Autopilot is supposed to do? (Do the mundane driving until there's some issue. And then driver/pilot is supposed to take over). People have just misunderstood what Autopilot is supposed to mean. Who's fault is that?

[@JobGreg]

Tesla Driver monitoring system should have stopped the car long time back,, Clearly it didn't work

[@johnthakidiyel5468]

@@JobGreg I don't think Tesla has ever advertised about a driver monitoring system. The user explicitly has to accept all liability and responsibility of driving the car before you can start using Autopilot.

[@JobGreg]

@@johnthakidiyel5468 I am surprised you are not aware of the Driver monitoring system.

[@johnthakidiyel5468]

@@JobGreg I'm not saying Tesla doesn't havea driver monitoring system. I'm saying they haven't ever advertised or made any claims about it. The fact of the matter is the driver is the only person responsible.

[@anhhoanginh4763]

The "auto pilot" feature didn't recognize the obstacle "just 2.5 sec and 37 yards before the crash". Do we have any regulation for this case?

[@km077]

Well, a plane's autopilot would gladly crash it into a mountain side too. What was the driver doin' again? Photographing squirrels?

[@djalan2000]

Oh wow!! I just watched this and realized a couple of things... First, the title says "Footage SUGGESTS reasons" but doesn't say that WAS the reason... In fact, they even say the driver was alerted PRIOR to the accident and that the "although the system WORKED AS DESIGNED" it was "Not enough to sideline THE IMPAIRED DRIVER"... So, the driver was IMPAIRED, yet they didn't really make that a POINT other than to 'casually' mention that the system wasn't ENOUGH to sideline the driver... Which, means, the DRIVER hit the cars, not the autopilot system... Too many times you will see a car (any type) that hit that ONE lonely tree or telephone pole on the side of the road 'head on'. And you have to wonder "Didn't they have enough time to swerve out of the way?" - well, yeah, they probably did, but SOME people can get 'fixated' on the object(s) and head straight for them instead! This happens A LOT with emergency vehicles as well... The driver fixates on the LIGHTS and automatically heads right for them rather than around them... Too many times drivers (who survived) have said "The last thing I saw was the telephone pole" or "Last thing I remember was seeing a big tree in front of me"... This of course ends up in an accident that eventually is called 'distracted driving' or such... But in reality it's actually FOCUSED driving - but focusing on the OBJECT instead of the road and their actual driving... It's also why so many people will 'cross the lines' into another lane when they look at something on the side of the road... If it's on the right side, they drift right... On the left side and they drift left... While, had they just let go of the wheel (or REALLY paid attention to the wheel like they should), they would have gone straight and not drifted to one side or the other... It's a NATURAL phenomenon... Some people even 'lean' to one side as well... So, *I* suspect that the driver may not have even NOTICED the 'warning' on his screen and, instead just headed his car right into the 'shiny lights' OR that he saw the warning, grabbed the wheel 'slightly' like he was used to doing when getting the 'nag' warnings and then it 'turned off' the autopilot and let him ram into the pretty lights...

[@HiThere619]

1:53 Wrong. Autopilot does not do lane changes.