How Hard should "YOU" Train (Legs)

[@mountaindog1]

For the rest of the body parts click on this playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLNAUreWTt_SjpwmtqxJ4gCHF8z5OFogeG

[@windycity1450]

Same thing with seated leg curls ?

[@MikesStory1990]

I've finished your type of leg training about half an hour ago and all I can say is, *it* *works* , *it* *feels* , me and my gym partner we pushed our bodies to the limits. We done stretching between sets if we were too pumped up but in the end, after like 2h .. wow. I even done more on leg press and squats. Thank you sir 💪😊!!! Good workout. Now, I expect soreness for like a week but is fine 😂.

[@antoinepowell649]

mountaindog1 can we get a old school hour plus work out leg day video

[@rebeccascrant]

Fantastic video John! :) Can I ask, what camera and microphone does your video guy use to record? The picture and audio are amazing! Thanks, Bec

[@poolman20001]

Hey John! This is your old neighbor and fan! This is good stuff! I have a strange problem with squats, and would love to get some feedback. If you have time, read this out some man, would appreciate it. I'm 43, not a big guy, 190lbs. I'm strong in the squat and tend to powerlift. Can do a full squat of maybe 350lbs, and been gear free all my life, and have hit 400lbs before. i'm sort of strong is my point. I'm the business guy who moved to China, talked to you before. Well my best friend here owns one hell of a gear company here in China! Its one of the better known internet companies that offers. they guy has good quality, tested gear. So now that i'm older, and with his guidance, I decided to do my first controlled cycle. Test and Anavar only. And I feel WONDERFUL now, but also have much more motivation in the gym. I think that I have good genes for bodybuilding, and so far I seem to be a hyper responder. My goal was to get strong and rip up some. But i'm responding so well, that I have gained 15 lbs, so I am shifting my thinking into clean bulking on this first cycle. 600mg of test per week, and 50mg of Anavar, prob a bit to much. I'm having issue with leg day, because I go 100%. and I can always seem to push out more reps with squatting. I can rep 350 now, and as soon as I think i'm gassed, I can push more out, so I don't really know when to quit. that's one problem i'm having, i'm being a puss about it. Should I go to failure? and if so, how would you advise I do that? And now for my other more serious interesting problem. I am growing so much, so fast that after leg day, all the muscles in my legs swell to the point that it effects my circulation to my feet some, and messes with my sleep. I feel like I can feel my legs growing man, its crazy! My blood work looks good, kidneys look good. I think its caused from muscle inflammation, After 3 days, i'm fine. Does this seem normal to you? have you ever had this problem? It even fucks with my sleep on leg day.

[@debabrat6]

When Mr. Meadows starts with "Alright Hi Errybaadiee" - just for a fleeting moment, everything is good with the universe.

[@barney2159]

For months I legit though he was using some personal slang "higher body"

[@mountaindog1]

:)

[@TheLittleguitar]

So true:D

[@ralphcoccio3799]

Rodger that!

[@erics8524]

Barny Miggo same I thought it was his brand or company lmao

[@wiseguy3492]

RIP Legend. You won't be forgotten.

[@legendmemories4298]

???

[@mitchellbooth8435]

@@legendmemories4298 He dead sadly

[@apparition4196]

@@legendmemories4298 its a meme

[@flyer_qjfn2310]

@@apparition4196 no it isn’t, John died of heart failure.

[@Riffs_and_lifts]

@@flyer_qjfn2310 not heart failure, pulmonary embolism

[@JIMMYHIMALAYA]

"I learned my intensity from tom platz"... in other words you're probably taking an uber home after the gym

[@lelandgaunt9985]

You just got to do baby reps.

[@mikemike5973]

Ok ok 5 more.....now 3 more.....ok 6 more

[@lastsonofkrypton3918]

"I learned my intensity from tom platz" .....So you have chosen death

[@2onefivebroadst635]

@@lastsonofkrypton3918 😂

[@pontius4915]

@@mikemike5973 hahah so true, so true!!!

[@himjyotigoswami3027]

I can't believe John isn't here anymore...RIP Mountain Dog

[@chumdookie]

going rewatch all his videos

[@realmrproteins]

Leg day today John, I'll be thinking about u the whole time man. Thank-you for making my life and many others better and Thank-you for always putting a smile to my face

[@rojo4097]

Same thought I had, best thing to honor him is to hit the gym hard and reach our goals

[@arthurfleck629]

Last 2 reps are for Zyzz and John

[@newbiegains6525]

I have so much respect for JM, he takes interest in his son’s hobbies and puts him in his videos to show off and have something to work towards. Awesome information and an awesome Dad! From one Dad to another... cheers 💪🏻

[@mountaindog1]

thank you!

[@JRGGG]

That was very sweet, cool trick he did!

[@anand8905]

totally agree

[@Weak1987]

Kid has skills!

[@rbs020]

Alexander is a legend

[@everythingautomotiveeta5839]

Holy hell Alex is mean with that yoyo

[@mydl6314]

This is why good legs commands such respect amongst seasoned lifters :)

[@emilyyates759]

“This is fun...... ‘cause now we’re gonna test your pain tolerance” 😂😂😂. Ohhhh good times! ❤️

[@garys.4433]

Love how you're humble enough to give advice to everyone, including Natty's and beginners...

[@gamegenie11]

I'm just here for the yoyo

[@mr.skeptical3071]

Love how he gives Tom credit!

[@mountaindog1]

i always give credit

[@ufc990]

Everybody knows I'm doing legs when they see me hanging out by the trash can haha

[@mountaindog1]

yep

[@fuzzysocksucker2012]

holy shit so true. just in case you puke lol

[@serenbaden6248]

Drag that trash can to the rack with you bröther

[@jeffreylucas3421]

Been there to! lmao

[@sahinharman]

Mountain dog is one of the best KZbinr in explaining the meaning of training skills

[@crazykorean2268]

When John says it is a bad idea, u simply listen

[@City_Homesteader]

Still coming back to these videos a year later. Learn from the best.

[@DrRich]

Already miss John’s teachings, shared experiences, and simple ‘how to’ & ‘why’ guidance! 🙏🙏

[@SunderFrederick]

What a legend! 🌟 RIP John Meadows, helping countless number of people even after you are gone.

[@arjbrown]

When Meadows said "ah fck eagh" at 13:36, I felt that

[@dylanthomas3310]

The most relatable feeling

[@JohnJohnson-yc7wv]

You’re missed, John. We love your videos. They are helping me out tremendously.

[@ferrenberg]

I'll follow your words to the book. Unlike most, I love to train legs and they're always the beginning of my workout sessions. By the way, people should really train legs more, way more.

[@monkeyman41333]

Agree. Leg workouts stimulate the entire body, like nothing else does.

[@Aaron-rd3cd]

Maybe if your training abs or something but I wouldn’t recommend training legs and another body part like back or arms or anything really. Legs should get their own day

[@joshferguson6069]

Dorian Yates and John Meadows the only trainers who’s methods work for me. Thank you sir for all that you do.

[@lukeben5]

I made the mistake of watching this AFTER my leg workout. Now I want to go back and redo it!!!

[@mattryan335]

i love how open john is and how considerate he is of natural people. some other bodybuilders would just tell us what THEY do, rather than what they want OTHERS to do. what a guy

[@watdeneuk]

Man I just love the way you move that weight, you're an inspiration.

[@eon57]

Appreciate the thoughts at the end on pushing through pain when training legs. I really struggle to summon any kind of enthusiasm when it comes to legs training, and after listening to you, I'm determined to man up and push through it.😂

[@gabecollins1293]

Thank you, John for being informative for the natties out there.

[@mountaindog1]

you bet

[@richthehoser]

I can listen to John talk about literally anything all day long. Such a great communicator. He's the professor of gains.

[@rizwanayub5224]

Have been following lots of fitness channels, hands down best one is yours. To the point, full of amazing information and zero BS. Respect!!

[@alexbaum2204]

I follow a few guys on KZbin that I think impart incredible knowledge and seem to be awesome people to boot. Jeff Cavalier and Ryan Humiston immediately come to mind. But you, John, seem to take the cake. This is essentially the next best thing after actually being able to lift in the gym with a professional body builder. The fact that you give this invaluable knowledge for free to anyone willing to listen is testament to your good character. In a field with quite a few folks who make great videos on the subject, I think yours may just be the best. Thank you so much for what you do.

[@mountaindog1]

thank you :)

[@rockyevans1584]

Jeff cav? Never watched humiston but that is a very sub par Jeff, on par with kino body and vshredz in the most popular charlaton crew

[@Wyatt6475]

John, do not take this the wrong way. You've got "old man strength", killed this workout man. You are a beast...and would prob put my mid 20s ass to shame lol.

[@mountaindog1]

im fighting hard!

[@SYPCWAK]

Thanks. I hate leg day because of the pain. I needed to hear someone say ignore the pain and keep working them. Thanks again.

[@MaxWilcoxFitness]

Been training legs harder than ever, I can say that I enjoy training legs a lot more because of it !

[@davuhn2]

You and Greg D. are changing my life one video at a time

[@rogeraguilar1274]

Train em so hard to the point where they have to wheel you out in a wheel chair

[@boxerfencer]

Legs 1:02 Leg curls, seated or lying: 1-2 sets, 8 set reps@2RIR, then @0RIR 3rd set with partials, if intermediate. Novices do a couple sets of 8. 4:12 Prime movement: Barbell squat work up to a heavy 6-10 reps@1RIR, long rests (3 min) 7:24 Leg or hip press: blood focused exercise, aclimate sets to heavy set of 8 then 2 drop sets, 20-30% load drops each 11:12 Stretch focused exercise: pendulum or hack machine, 1 or 2 sets for novice with reps in the tank, rest-pause cluster set for intermediates (natural or enhanced), 8@0, 5@0, 4@0 14:29 Stretch focused hamstring exercise, Romanian deadlift: 2 sets, 10reps@1-2RIR

[@mountaindog1]

thank you!

[@boxerfencer]

@@mountaindog1 no, thank you for sharing. Timestamping allowed me to digest your programming style, and compare it to my own. I did it for your 3 videos labelled "How hard should you train?". There is no back video, but from the chest one, I can deduce it. There could also be a posterior dominant leg day also, but again, it's easy to imagine how you might build it, given your template structure. I noticed you switch the angle and implement on the presses on chest day, to diminish fatigue carryover from more horizontal pressing to more vertical, and a trick I used to do, as doing 2 consecutive barbell exercises really affects the latter exercise, even if angles vary. The problem i noticed is that eventually, as I get stronger on a lift, exercise induced fatigue also increases, again affecting the latter variation, even if i avoid failure on the first exercise. And so, I decided to give each pressing exercise a day of it's own, and allows for feasible upperdays. I'm much more powerlifting influenced, as far as using accessories and variations to build volume with more reps in the tank, and building up to those money sets you talk about. And so I'll often start off my work sets with a load I can do @3RIR, and even tried @4 ad @5, rather than starting work sets right at @2 or @1. The trick is simply to accrue local fatigue, essentially converting that @4 load to a @2 on the 2nd, or 3rd set or so. The trick is knowing how to modulate rest periods given the proximity to failure. The nearer to failure, the more rest you need to prolongate the amount of sets, essentially normal (powerlifting set rest protocol). The farther away, the shorter the rests need to be to maintain fiber recruitment where you want it, essentially traditional bodybuilding, and includes lighter rest-pause such as myo-reps training. Percentage of 1RM also affects things, where working with loads 80% and higher allows for long rests without fiber recruitment drops during long rests, while working lighter necesitates tighter control to maintain recruitment. I've recently read an article that suggests the top off for hypertrophy outcomes might be as light as 60%, and not surpised as this has been suggested for years, but I guess this might not be universal and explains why some grow well working "light" 60% 1RM, while others need to lift moderately "heavier" with at least 80%1RM. Personally, i think it may come down to not knowing how to accomodate rests to proximity of failure and intensity, and plain laziness. If you really don't know what youre doing, or don't keep time, the best thing you can do is simply lift heavier and rest a lot between sets. Eventually, your joints may pay the price though.

[@ryannachtrab]

One of my favorite leg days is 1 mile of walking lunges as fast as possible. Hoooooooly shit, talk about pain and crippled soreness for 7 days. My best time is 48 minutes (and didnt cheat an inch). I challenge anyone to try it and tell me they could walk the next day lol

[@mountaindog1]

I'll pass...haha

[@ryannachtrab]

@John Williams no pain, no gain lol

[@abolfazlnazemi529]

I don't know why but when he talks it's so easy to understand and learn from him I guess it's The sign of a great coach.

[@TheRealGuywithoutaMustache]

I feel like every time I train legs too hard, I'm sleepy throughout the entire day, the very next day.

[@jamiehay1027]

Just Some Guy without a Mustache I see you on every video, bodybuilding, Sky news hahaha

[@DavidParyan-o2r]

@@jamiehay1027 there are hundreds of people with the same name though

[@TheMolina297]

Legs a very demanding on the body so as back. Try to hydrate more, consume electrolytes and maybe have a little more higher carbs.

[@noelroga4593]

You're everywhere dude.. But true, just trained leg yesterday, tired & sleepy af today

[@arthurbarrios888]

I'm the same way 😂

[@MrAlanCristhian]

I love all you "old school" guys. I started growing when I stopped going easy.

[@robjohnson212]

13:37 that was the first time I've ever heard John drop an F-Bomb LOL

[@edwardfortae2350]

Lol. Your right. You know its rough when he cusses.

[@hlee7437]

literally goes straight back being a sweet family man😇😂

[@davidzplace2011]

I know right, just love this guy, keeping it soooo real, ledgend

[@PULAG]

Sometimes ya gotta let that out haha

[@annhogan7120]

Always clench when I watch you train hard ... inspiring

[@YoutuBerry1993]

Best speech in a really long time about training legs in the end💯

[@StefanL66]

I'm just recently found you on KZbin (I'm from Sweden) and man you're a great inspiration and a truly amazing man. Your exercise videos are educational and the real deal. I'm constantly going through your vids nowadays. It motivates me to get better every day. Keep it going John. Absolutely awesome stuff! 🙏 Thank you.

[@expat74]

The depth John goes on hack squat machines are killers. Inspired me to go deeper, lowering weight and feeling the rep. Love his leg videos

[@brooklynbull-e3565]

The most honest straight forward training advice on the net that's applicable to everyone on any training level

[@ddejong88]

I love the mindset aspect to make the switch and, "EARN your legs." If we don't have those types of machines available, can you recommend alternatives?

[@waqidj]

Daniel DeJong yah dude I hate bar squats. It’s so annoying trying to hold it on the back with the shoulders externally eotsfes

[@EvsPersonal]

@@waqidj just take a wider grip and stay high bar. it shouldn't feel that uncomfortable or you're doing it wrong. also, your back and shoulders should be the last thing you're thinking about when you're really grinding on your legs.

[@syednaqvi3101]

Daniel DeJong Dumbbell lunges

[@Adamski2409]

@@waqidj Do face pulls to improve shoulder mobility and improve rear delts too bro

[@equalfps]

just got back from gym, all i can say is that routine is a total killer. tom platz is my absolute leg hard training idol and he would be proud of this routine! great job Mr Meadows!

[@scottw3954]

I love when you say “this is going to be tough a real workout for us”!! When you work your legs and back the hardest that’s when you will see the most results.

[@beastxcore1721]

Scott W 100%

[@Sportsmaster222]

Getting leg day in for you today man, every leg day I'll remember how much you've done for the fitness community 💪🏿

[@mikeydo9567]

Great video! At 13:34 approximately where you step away for a 20-second rest and look angry and ready to curse, I had to laugh, I thought I was the only one that did that! Great stuff!! REAL stuff!

[@AOTS123]

Always getting after it. Sharing a lifetime of work for free?! 👏 👏

[@mountaindog1]

yep

[@michaelhicks8283]

Everytime i watch his videos they are so intense and he seems to be such a good guy that i forget he is gone.

[@Depakot-NL]

Im always waiting till John's head pop's off when he trains heavy Respect John...

[@seriousstuff50]

what an amazing guy john meadows was. He's such a gentleman and , provides knowledge in such an easy and calming way. Wish i had descovered him years ago. Every credit to him and his family. Rip, J,M.

[@paulevans2368]

Tremendeous! Top notch vid! Im gonna need help getting back up off the toilet, after my next leg day after watching that! Cant wait, proper inspiration : )

[@glock343rdgen.4]

It's good that your videos don't just speak to the science project but to those who are natural.

[@grahampark6823]

Excellent video again John..I don’t have thick legs but do love training legs..nothin hurts more than worked legs but I think the personal feeling of accomplishment is worth it!great advice from you as ever...once it hurts..THEN you keep going..that’s when the reps really start..I think fear stops most people in leg training.already lookn forward too more videos!

[@scott2228]

RIP. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

[@SMOR3S]

F*** yes! I am about to hit legs here in like 2 hours, eating rn, back on the bulk! Sucks I moved to Wyoming and never got to meet you man. One day for sure! You’re a legend and an inspiration to all of us ❤️

[@NewFlyer56k]

Thats right John, work through pain. No pain! No Gains... Great as always. Thanks

[@lelandgaunt9985]

Pain is merely weakness leaving the body.

[@ibrahimzamil6986]

You have the best machines in your gym

[@r2d2cold9]

Funny how this vid is perfect timing... just started reincorporating leg workouts into my routine. I think I originally stopped because of a schedule conflict, then after that just made excuses. somehow it turned into a couple years and Im paying the price with soreness, a reality check on how my strength has declined, and confirmation that I can never stop again. This channel is definitely motivating and full of great info. Time to reclaim myself. Top it all off yoyo tricks...and how can I lose.

[@suhashsuresh4244]

John , I just love ur content and ur kindnesses Hats off👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@rrrimve]

About to train legs couple hours later. Thank you John for passing knowledge on younger generations. Really appreciate.

[@rrrimve]

Man it was hardcore session. Will see tomorrow if I be able to walk easily. Especially leg curls and when done unilaterally, I felt it very well. Thanks once again. Best wishes.

[@btaxel]

Man, that equipment is amazing

[@pedroito1244]

Whether I've watched this once or 5 times, I am always able to learn more from you mountain dog! I aprecciate all you have done for me individually even though you've never met me. Much love!

[@angelomanzi9272]

The plastic whip was dope :)

[@angelhortegoza1925]

These videos will live on forever. Thanks for everything you taught me John may you RIP 🙏 brother.

[@igorfitness]

Very intense training , super good

[@igorfitness]

Cool gym

[@thelasttimeididthis6671]

Love the advice: when you start feeling the pain, thats when the light switch comes on, that’s when it’s time to push, that’s when it’s time to earn my legs.

[@SergeyLifts]

Something tells me that when John will reach the age of 100 he will still have crazy leg development and zero problems to stand up and go up the stairs

[@briancinganelli2119]

Mountain Dog . . . Mr J Meadows . . . I have been focusing on your videos and at 55 I am learning more than when in my 20s . I watched your Leg curls and was quite impressed . I take a guess they call you Mountain is the Hills of Muscles you got going on . . . Thanks for Providing Knowledge along with Age is Just a # and Hard Work and Ethics will Prevail in the End . . .

[@fausto6683]

Mr. Meadows, thank you again for this vital information 💪🏼 love watching all your videos. I'm planning on trying the granite protein soon!

[@UltimateHibz]

You sir a truly a legend. By using the usual progressive overload everything grew greatly, except my legs. Since going Mountain Dog style on my leg days, they've finally started to grow. Thank you

[@reevesharvey3125]

‘Yea so we’re just gonna do a feeler set before the cluster set’ *comes back drenched in sweat*

[@mountaindog1]

i snuck in a few sets for my Instagram..haha

[@Megaslob]

This guy seems really patient and easy going.

[@benjamindixon3512]

Gregg brought me here. Subbed. Cheers john

[@Josh_fit85]

I cant sill believe it! Still watching your video and waiting for the next one! RIP Legend

[@KenKuninmusic]

13:36 is where the cluster set makes John swear. I like that.

[@mountaindog1]

I let one slip :(

[@KenKuninmusic]

@@mountaindog1 you're entitled too now and again mate.

[@hossguy3626]

Damn, you uploaded a back video before my back workout and now a leg video before my leg workout. Do you know my schedule? Great videos as always, you’re one of my go to’s when I need some advice. Edit: I love that you include your son in so many videos. Nothing warms my heart like seeing supportive parents.

[@mountaindog1]

i am watching you

[@qewr4231]

Is that a seated leg press? That's an interesting leg press.

[@whitenight369]

Details that you dont normally see. Soreness drop weight. That is key to success. Thanks for info

[@the_task_master3470]

5:46 John making all tha Instagram "Booty Chicks" jealous!! lol!

[@goldenera4ever]

😀 I loved that little display at the 13:37 mark of the love-hate relationship we all have with the intense burn.

[@jeremysumrak1842]

I just did legs today. Wish I’d seen this earlier... Oh, well...there’s always next week.

[@gregorybuttari8651]

A true master .God rest you, Sir. Killer information...will use it today.

[@theterminator8707]

Tom Platz intensity!!!!

[@luisliftstv2434]

Loved the message at the end. Same thing I’ve always felt to be true. Have to push hard come leg day.

[@dennisn8523]

greg doucette: atleast harder then last time

[@jamiehay1027]

**"AT LEAST HARDER THAN LAST TIME!!!"

[@everready2903]

How hard?

[@TheMolina297]

Harder than last tiiiimeeee! *Neck veins and redness intensifies*

[@dennisn8523]

greg doucette:most people on anabolics don’t even look like they lift.....

[@nickmcgarvey6463]

I learned to start with leg curls from John on T Nation in like 2012. It changed my life. I always start my lying leg curls from resting on my elbow, it gives great hip extension. Then I'll drop down to my chest and grab the handles for the hellride.

[@BENCHIPED]

Great video John. But damn, your feet position on the hip press was way off center

[@mountaindog1]

i know, I have an externally rotated hip that causes it

[@mathewmendonza2936]

Great tips. Specially about the rest duration. While training intense we tend to rush through the sets. Really need to take longer rests about 2-3 mins and than kill it!!

[@Skill4Sho]

I think there are days I trained too hard that I can't drive my manual car home.

[@PULAG]

Oh damn I didn't even think about people who drive manuals haha sorry bro

[@UditENG-xi4pu]

The vibrations in your leg while hitting the clutch are real lol

[@Keepgoing9919]

Some days it’s hard to drive my automatic I couldn’t imagine a manual

[@cypherjet]

I'm very happy to hear from a pro, that it really takes a different mindset to train legs. For me, I've mostly trained upper body my whole life. But my training partner taught me the way to do legs. And I was always going for it even the pain and exhaustion is quite greater. Still, I didn't have courage to go through the program by myself. I needed my training partner's motivation and co-suffering being able to train legs. But just in recent 6 months, I've been able to train legs very hard myself alone. Maybe the pain tolerance fixed abit and the courage also rose to needing level. So I tell from experience also, it really is compeletely different situation for required mindset, to go for legs. So thank you, John. It's always nice to have honest, and neutral speak, through experience. Thumbs up big time! 👍

[@duboneforme9591]

16:21 “MINDSET”!!! Is this a shout out to Eric Bugenhagen?? 🤨

[@zefsamurai1366]

Bro you and Coach Greg , are my full base of knowledge , I really appreciate the free knowledge. Alot of people don't I appreciate it I do for sure.

[@lelandgaunt9985]

Herbert sez: “don’t forget to stretch out those cramey ham strings hmmmmm.”

[@leonardceres9061]

Due to john’s teaching I wake up every day sore and beat up. But I know I did it to myself in the gym by following his advice.