How Historically Accurate is the Shogun TV Show?

[@KingsandGenerals]

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[@fahimimdad7120]

please add audio track

[@Hamsteren91]

Your videos on the russo japanese war are some of your best work.

[@grapeshott]

May 31 is the birthday of Nurjahan, the Mughal empress. She used rifles, hunted tigers, & even saved her husband from kidnapping. Could you do a video?

[@theawesomeman9821]

I've already said this on another channel but I will say it again, the best thing about Shogun is that it makes you want to research the actual history of Japan.

[@hirofumi3123]

Bro thinks he’s a shogun 😂😂

[@GeminiBites]

It's so accurate that it turns out Blackthorne never left Japan he became a twitch streamer who cycles across Japan with a british dude

[@jonbaxter2254]

Is that a Chris Broad reference in the wild haha

[@tyranitararmaldo]

@@jonbaxter2254 it seems so haha!

[@achallor]

Ah yes, Connor Blackthorne

[@akali2927]

He even had a halfu son name Joey, and sea friend named Grant lmao

[@kevting4512]

Its surreal how similar Connor looks to Cosmo at the right angle.

[@g-unit-rl7xz]

for fans of the show it was announced on may 16th that the show has recieved an extension for at least TWO more seasons.

[@ttrestle]

…Game of Thrones seasons 7 & 8 have entered the chat

[@Lasstpak]

So other two books.

[@Rauruatreides]

@@Lasstpak problem is there aren't 2 other books. The closest thing to it is the one sequel "Gai-jin" which takes place 200 years later, so it is very disconnected from the story told here. The only material to go off of is to base it off of history itself.

[@yn5568]

Hope they do a better job at script writing and historical portrayal, because that was like a C-

[@AnonymousGamer546]

James Clavil hinted at what happens next at the end of “Shogun” the novel and in some of his other novels, so there is still some original material.

[@NiklasMJ]

During Yabushige's Seppuku it is pretty much eluded to that Torunaga was indeed power hungry, and while he didn't plan the events unfolding the way they did, he pretty much ''rode them like a wave'' and changed his plans accordingly in order to come out on top. because he while claming otherwise actually did strive and dream of becoming Shogun.

[@Lasstpak]

Japanse do have three hearts ey

[@TuveanYGloir]

No shit, buddy. It’s third Great Unifier of Japan, and it’s the Sengoku Jidai. I do not think anyone was questioning his vision of grabbing power after he escaped Osaka and later gave the fucking speech on the beach. Guess it takes some time for people.

[@NiklasMJ]

@@TuveanYGloir Ehm? in the vid he litterately mentions that as a possible change from the real life Tokugawa as Torunaga says multiple times that he doesn't strive to become Shogun.. so yeah i was just clarifying... that no he was indeed also Ambitious in this Show even though he acted like he wasn't.. Did you even watch the point in the vid talked about before commenting??

[@ody9931]

He didn't want to be Shogun until the council got power hungry. In the show it covers this... He was offered Shogun when the previous one was in his deathbed. After he turned it down the council of 5 was made

[@josueroberto7356]

Toronaga claimed he didn’t want to be Shogun, but he literally had a Shogun armor in his room lol

[@v.d.2738]

William Adams and other crew members were actually saved and taken care of by locals when they arrived at Japan, not abused like in the show.

[@CrimsonAlchemist]

For dramatic purposes

[@Muircetach]

The guy who wrote Shogun fought the Japanese in WWII, which undoubtedly coloured his perceptions (I don't blame him).

[@rebeccaorman1823]

But not allowed to go home.

[@taktktk5240]

帰国出来ないのはオランダ侍ヤン・ヨーステンでした。按針は帰らなかった。財産築き本望でしょう。 日本人化し性格も向いていたと思われ 英国人と関係が微妙だった。

[@すっとこどっこい-u8e]

史実ではリーフデ号乗組員の生存者は村民に介抱された。 その中にヤン・ヨーステンもいて彼も旗本に召し上げられた。 小説としては外国人を2人も出すと纏まらないからヤン・ヨーステン無視したのかな。 幕末にイギリスの捕鯨船が漂着した時、水と野菜と米を持たせて帰そうとしたが 農耕牛をその場で捌いて持ち帰ろうとしてしまった為に薩摩武士に射殺された例がある もしかして作者はその事件のネタをリーフデ号に当てはめたのかもしれませんね

[@teddyGros]

14:25 in John's defense, this was an attempt to cause further distrust and use Toranaga. John even later on admits to Toranaga that he tried to use him.

[@jonbaxter2254]

And it worked. It lit a fire under Toranaga that John used to remain alive

[@olorin4317]

Regardless of the accuracy, it transported me to another place and time more than any other recent work of televised fiction. My thanks to all involved in the production.

[@histman3133]

Watch the 1980 Shogun miniseries. Way better, in my humble opinion.

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@histman3133 Strongly disagree with that as the New Shogun IS vastly better than the original in every way from casting, directing, editing, filming, tone, and acting which were all incredibly award worthy from being phenomenal! Which it did as it’s very modern and super stylized in the best possible way!

[@Rome.s_Greatest_Enemy]

TBH Shogun is more historically authentic rather than historically accurate

[@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401]

Shogun is air on FX

[@borismuller86]

Exactly. It’s not trying to be a documentary. It’s trying to tell a story.

[@vitorpereira9515]

Well, it's based on a book that was based on historical events. But I enjoyed watching Shogun, it's well written and I liked the attention they paid to detail. Of course it's not perfect but the story is so good and faithful to the book that I can ignore the small details.

[@davidwie]

Beat me to it. Was just scrolling down to share the same thought!

[@AmorArdet]

That's a great way to put it. It's like if the author was worried about copyright infringement

[@gn-z1130]

Came to Japan with William Adams. Don't forget the Dutchman Jan Joosten. He too served Tokugawa Ieyasu (Toranaga). There is a place in Tokyo (Edo) named after him.

[@ttrestle]

I literally just got done watching it for the second time last night. The second time I watched it with audio description on instead of just reading the subtitles. Definitely liked just the subtitles more especially because of the translation differences, but the audio description did teach me a few things That I didn’t know. I still think it’s the greatest television show I’ve seen in years.

[@bb1111116]

About the stepping on the crucifix, the first Shogun episode, book and prior TV series accurately shows what is possible. A certain kind of Protestant, of that time, could step on a typical Catholic cross/crucifix. * In the early Reformation, Calvinists were against any kind of religious imagery and in mainland Europe they destroyed any religious art depicting human images that they could get ahold of. This included crucifixes which had sculptures of Jesus on the cross. * In the 1980 version of Shogun, in the cross scene, the image of the cross is a crucifix with the image of Jesus. A Calvinist would have no problem stepping on that or even destroying it. * In 1600, could the Englishman, Blackthorne, be a Calvinist? Yes. Scotland adopted a version of Calvinism called Presbyterianism. In 1560 John Knox brought the Reformation to Scotland based on Calvin’s ideas. * Under Elizabeth I, several English clergy were Calvinists. In the 1570s Puritans wanted the English church to follow Calvinist ideas like the Presbyterians. * As for what is God in the series. Blackthorne makes in clear in the 2024 version that he believes that Jesus is God. That was not the dispute with the Catholics. The conflict included the veneration of saints such as Mary and the power of the Pope which were two of several of their disputes.

[@etiennemourez3059]

I came too to comment about Calvinist's "iconoclasm". Thanks

[@GordanGecko]

Okay Christianity got banned in Japan due to Christian Samurai rebellion. 3 Houses to the Right 3 Houses to the Left were also executed if your neighbor turned out to be Christian. Tokugawa logic was simple a man cannot serve two masters. Christian Samurai had their loyalties split btw clan and the Pope The words Samurai means "to serve"

[@ursosentado]

Thanks for this! As a fan of the book since my teenage years, watching this series unlocked tons of memories, and now watching your comparisons with history sealed the deal.

[@jpablopp]

As always, fantastic video

[@TheGhost-7002]

“One season wonder”…. …Yeah, about that.

[@Dontdoit_]

I just want to see the battle. I was upset they didn’t have a big battle even though I heard in the book there is

[@TheGhost-7002]

@@Dontdoit_ There is no battle in the book

[@Lecarc]

@@TheGhost-7002 This is why there will be a Season 2 and 3. Now there will be no Book as source, so they probably change from storytelling to historical accuracy/events. Then we will see the battle.

[@TheGhost-7002]

@@Lecarc Eh, I don’t think they will spend two seasons on a build up to Sekigahara. It takes place a month after Yabushige’s execution. I’m gonna assume that blackthorn pulled erasthmas out of the sea a week after Yabushige’s execution. So that leaves only a few weeks of just marching, as after this all political stuff is out of the way, now it’s just war. Also the idea of the manoeuvring before the battle such as the failed siege of Gifu, and the Battle of Kuisegawa, is out of the window cause somehow Toranaga already knows the fighting will happen at Sekigahara, even though the battle only happened there because of the two battles I mentioned before. So perhaps season 2 will be on Sekigahara. But season 3 will probably be the Sieges of Osaka.

[@tobymorgan7629]

​@@Dontdoit_ so the book doesn't really go into detail about the battle. That's why the show doesn't. I agree I would love to see the battle but I like that they stay true to what the book did

[@markmwarigha1322]

This channel is such a gift

[@KingsandGenerals]

Thanks!

[@thefisherking78]

I still haven't seen the new one because I don't have that streaming service, but I'm looking forward to watching it one of these days. The original series was great, and all the clips I've seen from this one look absolutely incredible.

[@zombiehampster1397]

2:24 "A squad of samurai and ashigaru 'welcomes' the Erasmus". Understatement of the year right there. It was a very interesting 'welcome' :)

[@wiktorberski9272]

This serial looks really good. A lot of effort was paid to make it looks realistic

[@chukolance]

I would have liked to see the compare and contrast of Toranaga's son "Yoshii Nagakado" who plays a key role in the show. I suspect it would be hard to decide which of Tokugawa's sons to compare to Yoshii Nagakado, but his ineptitude reminded me a lot of Hidetada.

[@vitorpereira9515]

It's more accurate than Napoleon from Ridley Scott. It's a good change in historical tv shows, because Vikings and Barbarians are "good" if you like fantasy but if you are a hardcore historian like me than don't bother watch them and instead watch channels like this one with great quality content.

[@tripsaplenty1227]

It's less accurate than The Death of Stalin.

[@artemo.shapovaloff5577]

One of the most magnificent shows of this year, liked it much

[@oteliogarcia1562]

the real spoiler is that the character we rooted for was the real bad guy

[@Pure_Havoc]

yea, it bothered me when watching the show because my two fav characters from this period are mitsunari ishida and yukimura sanada.

[@ahmarelvirgio823]

Yes, I never played with Eastern army in Samurai Warriors game

[@ahmarelvirgio823]

​@@Pure_HavocI really hoping that Yukimura can making an appearance in season 2 defending Ueda castle or Osaka siege

[@AnonymousGamer546]

Toranaga is no worse than any of his peers. The Taiko, for instance, usurped his predecessor's legacy, so what's wrong with usurping the Taiko's legacy? It's what every warlord in Japan wants to do, Toranga is just better at hiding it.

[@ArmchairFilmCritic]

Another great video!

[@mikedavis6266]

No film/TV program will be 100% historically accurate, especially something made by Western filmmakers about a completely different culture. But I think as far as accuracy goes, Shogun was above any REALISTIC expectations.

[@benjaminlynch9958]

2 of the producers were Japanese. And Japanese audiences and critics both agreed that the portrayal of 1600 Japan was as authentic as anything ever produced in Japan.

[@-RONNIE]

I wanted to wait until after the entire season was finished and and then I binge watched it straight. I really enjoyed it 👊🏻

[@julioperez2734]

“A fiesta of shuriken and smoke bombs” ROFL🎉

[@kennetheaton1728]

Got down to the comments just to comment on this. :)

[@knightmarepilot4832]

It was a fun turn of phrase, certainly.

[@jonbaxter2254]

I fell in love with this show hard. Charatcers, costume and design. Physical sets and props. Music, story, writing and atmosphere. I was spellbound.

[@gentlesirpancakebottoms6692]

Being a huge fan of the Sengoku era history and having played countless hours of games like Kessen and Nobunaga's ambition. And also watched a lot of Japanese historical movies, this show confused me at first despite me knowing that it was based of a fictional novel inspired by history. And the show not portraying actual history itself. The show was so authentic and it's world believable, that reading names like Toranaga and Ishido in the subtitles sometimes was confusing and felt wrong. Because surely they meant Tokugawa and Ishida. The show was so convincing (mostly) that I forgot that I was watching fiction:P Truly a masterpiece and a joy to behold!

[@Mugen3]

From a Japanese perspective, there was nothing strange about Japanese customs in this program. Everything was authentic, unlike in previous Hollywood movies. This is because Hiroyuki Sanada had been monitoring it all along.

[@stuffmcstuff399]

"We never learn these were the intentions from the get-go". Oh, okay, just ignoring the very first scenes Toranaga was in and his speech about the Falcon? We call that foreshadowing - He knew very well what he wanted and went to great lengths to hide his secret heart from both his enemies and friends.

[@2000_bms]

4:14 there has to be a more professional-sounding word than "unalive" if you really are trying to avoid saying the word KZbin/TikTok doesn't like

[@davidcoleman2796]

Tornaga really was a prick deep down. Inside . He let all these people die . He let them kill themselves. All to get what he really wanted . Yabo samma was right .

[@andimari9194]

That’s what makes him an extremely interesting character

[@danielturczan2485]

The book reinforces this impression. I don't wish to spoil anything, in case you wish to read it. But there is a Toronaga pov section at the end that really drives your point home.

[@WyattDucar]

What I like about the series is that though it is technically based on a historical fictional work It managed to do a great job being authentic to the time such as the designs the costumes I think the producers (In which Hiroyuki Sanada was a part of.) did a wonderful job. I know some people have issues with the Cinematography (Especially when it comes to modern TV As well as comparing it to the old 1980 series.) But in this case, I think that kinda the point given that it was the sengoku period or warring states period with a lot of conflict going on for 100 years So it does make sense there would be a lot of grays given how brutal the time period Not to mention you have warlord Fighting each other over their own fiefdoms. Granted, we do see sunlight in the capital, but I always take that as more of like “ From the outside, it is beautiful But from the inside it is not.” Thing?

[@Someone-by6jm]

Are y'all planning on making a full documentary on the diadochi,you already combined Alexander's conquest of Persia and then combined the indian campaign,is combining the diadochi history viable too?

[@KingsandGenerals]

Yep

[@Someone-by6jm]

​@@KingsandGenerals I love you dimitris, ilkin,Devin and Malay archer(although he's not with us anymore RIP 😢)

[@johnforde7735]

Blackthorne stomping on the cross was to communicate to Yabu that he and the priest were opposed to each other. He had no other means of communication.

[@harryjohnson9215]

Considing it was based on a book which was partially based on history ( so not really might to be accurate to history) I'm impressed

[@autumnmoonfire3944]

I’m very familiar the the novel as opposed to the recent show. While I understand that there just isn’t time to cover every plot point in the novel I want to point out that there were several name confusions and one enormous plot hole in the show. Blackthorn attempted Seppuku early on in anjiro because Yabu hand told the villagers that if he didn’t learn Japanese in the six months allotted the village would be destroyed and everyone killed. Unsurprisingly this didn’t set very well with Blackthorn. Omi saved his life at the last moment, and Blackthorn’s approach changed a great deal with that event. It’s also noteworthy that in Osaka when Mariko was working to free the hostages and nearly committed suicide herself, it wasn’t Blackthorn who was to be her second, it was Yabu, In the novel he was very untrustworthy, a man who would do whatever best served himself. Also of note, in the novel Hiro-Matsu didn’t kill himself, he did sequester himself, complaining of “pain” after he realized Toranaga’s ruse, because his happiness and relief could have spoiled the greater game, he was too valuable a general to let go at such a critical juncture. Auto-corrupt will take my last nerve, I think I found all the mistakes it made, don’t laugh too hard if I missed any.

[@Gen.berseker25]

Would you do a historical review of Gladiator?

[@OthmarsVlog]

nice one . . . well done . . . thumbs up 👍🙏💥

[@ChrisLove887]

I think one of the sad parts was Yabushige’s death. I think he would’ve remained loyal had Toronaga not been so secretive. But then again, we see very early on that he was looking to survive regardless of which side it was.

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

8:35 something like this ever happen?

[@AnonymousGamer546]

I don’t think that trampling on a cross would be that much of an impediment for a Protestant. We know, for instance, that under the Tokugawa Shogunate, any Dutch sailors arriving in Nagasaki had to trample over an Icon of the Virgin Mary. Furthermore, Blackthorn, like his real-life counterpart William Adams, grew up in Elizabethan England, fought against the Spanish Armada, and in the Dutch War of Independence. Hence, it's natural that he would associate the crucifix as more of a symbol of his country's enemies than a religious symbol.

[@davidcoleman2796]

The sadness part was fugi samma letting her little baby be killed because her husband made a terrible mistake. I cried . The actress that played the part was very good . So beautiful . In the book and 1980 show she was not . The ending with her and Blackthorn in the boat was so moving . 😢

[@ヨーク公リチャードプランタジネット]

9:39 It is not strictly true that there were no female feudal lords in the Japanese feudal system. Just as there were women in Western history, such as Theophanu (wife of Otto II, who ruled alone as "imperator" or "imperatrix" after her husband's death) and Caterina Sforza, there were also women in the Japanese feudal system who became rulers after the death of their husbands or sons and led political struggles and wars. For example, Ii Naotora became a female castle lord and played an active role, and Yodo-dono (≒Ochiba no Kata, daughter of Oda Nobunaga and wife of Toyotomi Hideyoshi) did not lead a war, but after Hideyoshi's death, she led the Toyotomi family and their vassals and continued to confront Tokugawa Ieyasu. Nevertheless, the fact that these were limited examples also illustrates the limitations of a period similar to Western history

[@keith3761]

“If freedom is all you ever live for, you will never be free of yourself.”

[@natheriver8910]

Very interesting 👏 👏 👏

[@ttrestle]

For those of you don’t know, they just dropped the original Shogun series on Paramount+ a few days ago.

[@airborngrmp1]

Yabushige's seppuku (both in book and show) was the logical extension of his borderline obsession with pain, suffering and death. Just as K&G's concluded, his 'sadistic' nature extended to his own death in both media, and is how I originally read his unique death in the books 30 years ago. Yabu knew full well his life was over, and had secured his lineage to his best ability (even gambling on his nephew betraying him, as it was the smart move). I will always think he was clear-eyed as to his fate that day, as his life was always directed towards that specific point (in the poetic, literary sense of the term) in his own view.

[@M5YUILL]

“Un-alive himself” 😆 I love that expression

[@tb124.gaming]

They didn’t even want to make this Historically accurate, but somehow even this is closer to History than Netflixes Cleopatra movie xD

[@GordanGecko]

I would love to see a show in the future on Setsuma Rebellion and Meiji Restoration

[@exercisethemind]

If you want to see what happens next after the "Shōgun" finale, watch Martin Scorsese's film, "Silence".

[@KingsandGenerals]

That is a good movie

[@exercisethemind]

@@KingsandGenerals of course it is. It's Scorsese.

[@pakshirajan8585]

Please make a Video on Alchon Huns and Hephthalite Huns

[@tonynavarro8375]

Since your video is a critique of a historical fiction, i wopuld have likrd it better if you had compared the earlier mini series with the current verision. I read the original novel long before the creation of the first TV adaptation back in the 70s. One thing i noticed is that the first SHOGUN version seemed to have followed the events as depicted in the book more faithfully than was depicted in the new version. Don't get me wrong, i liked the new SHOGUN, though not as much as the previous version. For one thing, many hints of "modern" script writing and ideas seemed to have crept into the crafting of the new version. For one thing, why so many names and identities had to be changed for the new version seems as frivolous and unnecessary as when , in the movie MOTHRA, the name of the country of America was changed for some weird reason. Of course that is much better than what was done to the " modern documentary" of Cleopatra which inaccurately depicted cleopatra as being a woman of Black skin color and a fuzzy afro hairdo. So personally, while the new Shogun is well made, i find the previous version more appealing and more "accurate".

[@SystemaPsevdonimovGovno]

As I heard, reason behind changing names in 2024 series was inauthenticness of original names. Like that names couldn't exist that times

[@krausewitz6786]

I question the judgement of anyone that liked the original Shogun. From what little I know it just seems like bad, Orientalist nonsense. I don't get why screenwriters couldn't just, I dunno, read an actual history book for a change and create a story out of that, rather than forever ripping off bad historical fiction.

[@Al-zs9ft]

Toranaga said in the 10th episode that one should keep his real intentions deep and never show them. Maybe that's why one could assume that he's power hungry and had the intention to seize it from the get go, only the plans weren't probably drawn because- as we saw- he didn't really have that much of an advantage on his enemies.

[@taskdon769]

The problem for me at least is not for accuracy but more of a very condensed Japanese Shogunate story. Basically it takes so many different bits from Kamakura period all the way to Edo period, that's about 700 years of historical practices into a book. It is not a big problem for a historical fiction though.

[@bhchen3079]

Sengoku Jidai or 战国时代 was the birth of the samurai dominance where the emperor was just a figurehead.. from Oda Nobunaga's wars for reunification to Hideyoshi's war in Korea to Tokugawa's shogunate. Oda started washing the rice , Hideyoshi cooked the rice and finally Tokugawa was the one who ate the cooked rice. 😅

[@sashasloan9072]

Sengoku period is the period of civil wars. Before the Sengoku period, the emperors were already a figurehead. The Kamakura period is known for the emergence of the samurai.

[@worldwanderer91]

More accurate than the upcoming Assassin's Creed game that's for certain

[@rickiex]

Although both show/book and ac game is loosly based off of history. What both does with the characters is very different. In the shogun show/book, it still honors the historical figures and what they did, where as in ac game, they literally took a historical character and wrote an entire ficitional life history.

[@magno5157]

The show is so fine. I could even understand Portuguese men speaking Portuguese.

[@mrmr446]

I think the 'blasphemy' of treading on a crucifix would not have been as shocking to a Protestant of the time as now or a Catholic then as there were many who would have regarded even a crucifix as idolatry and who worshipped in undecorated buildings.

[@niffieo_o7946]

This is just blatantly false. A bit of research would show you that it was the English who spread this idea, who were protestant. If you even read Gulliver's travels you would know how ""abhorrent"" the idea was to protestants. It just shows a clear historical bias from your part.

[@confutatismaledictis7599]

I’m not so sure that defacing a crucifix would have been so anathema to an English Protestant like Blackthorne. Protestant iconoclasm definitely included crucifixes or “roods” among the objects they viewed as papist idols. This paper includes some good examples: “For Protestants, because of such gestures and Catholic piety, the cross also came to be seen as an idol. Preacher William Fulke expressed the iconoclastic mindset saying, 'Though they were ancient and goodly monuments, it is to the great honour of God that they should be despised, defaced, burned.'” David Davis, “Destructive Defiance: 
Catholic and Protestant Iconoclasm in England, 1550-1585”

[@tomasrosicky3409]

More accurate than Assasin screed bullsh*t

[@Nnparlis]

Yasuke was actually a real samurai though and personal bodyguard of Oda nobunaga but still I’m not buying that game.

[@tomasrosicky3409]

@@Nnparlis I have no problem with Yasuke as it is, however there is no evidence of him being samurai, he was more of a yester, a spectacle to look at, to provide entertainment since Nobunaga was fascinated by him, he too was granted a sword for personal protection for sure, he even wore armor at one point becouse once again, they thought it was funny, other time he had armor is when he was quicly granted it, to defend Nobunaga. My problem is that this is assasin screed, you are supposed to be stealthy and a sole black man in Japan wearing armor more expensive and decorated than Nobunaga himself is supposed to be an assasin, also female farmer is not a good choise too. It could be much much better. Instead of Yasuke you could have actuall historical person, Hattori Hanzo, best ninja there was and as a female lead you could eather have Gaisa, a female equivalent of ninja/assasin or if you really need that strong female character then you could make her an Onna_musha which was a special unit of female warriors of the emperor, so an spy in the heart of the goverment would be good. But this just screams inclusivity. You can have Yasuke there, but not as an assasin, not as an overpowered warrior and not as an main character. Plus there is the whole problem of female protagonist overpowering in shrenght fully geared up samurai and Hamamoto guard which is bullsh*t on itself, you also have armor that does nothing, she is able to stab though an strongest oart of the armor with no problem, not counting Yasuke with tetsubo as it was made agaist armor, but that my another problem. Lastly that hidden blade on her hand is not hidden at all ffs, plus the architecture they modeled is Chinesse ffs.

[@eelchiong6709]

​@@Nnparlis Heard the latest? Yasuke and that ninja girl are both LGBTs according to UbiSlop.

[@Astrelune]

@@tomasrosicky3409 all this effort to yap when you can just admit that you hate black people 😂😂

[@chillin5703]

​There is no record stating "we gave Yasuke a sword and armor because we thought it was funny". Literally doesn't exist. That wouldn't explain why he was given a stipend of a type almost exclusively given to samurai. If Yasuke was bestowed a sword and allowed to serve as a retainer, then he was given the job, privileges, and duties of a samurai. Does that mean he was part of a major clan? No. Does it mean he was a powerful lord? No. Most samurai were not notable members of major clans, and most samurai were not particularly powerful outside of the strength of their liege lords. Invicta has a video on this topic where he interviews a Japanese historian on the topic.

[@minoru-kk]

At least two things that make Shogun's team amazing: First, in addition to a plot close to the book, they also made an effort to show a blend of Japanese culture from Sengoku and Edo periods as this video explained. Second, the team never claimed that their creations accurately represented historical facts

[@Kovania]

He should rly do some coverage on shinobi

[@deadgum11]

I thought this was a 'Real Pixels' video when I read the title

[@goldeneaglepower9845]

Dear Kings and Generals make please vids on Sengoku Jidai

[@cataphract9132]

That scene where they keep yelling Yabushige sama aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh, is forever stuck in my head.

[@JC-uz3ey]

Just a little thing to note: Tokugawa was incredibly powerful and was the antagonist in history, rather than how he was protrayed as the weaker, yet astute diplomat in the show.

[@HomemdaFaina]

I get the need for villains, but Clavell made us Portuguese into something monstrous that we never truly were. Also, "English as Portuguese for the convenience of the audience" really felt like a cop out from the show, but its understandable. It would have been very difficult to cast Portuguese speakers for those roles and unfortunately most western audiences aren't even ready for other languages besides english. Some even complained about the Japanese language being spoken, and having to read subtitles. Which is just sad, imo.

[@alpsluis]

Agree in full, specially when one praises the use of the Japanese language and actors to enhance the historical accuracy and then the use the English instead of the Portuguese for viewers convenience. I believe if that's the case there's more Portuguese speaking viewers than Japanese, unless the convenience is for the English viewers

[@MW_Asura]

Some of the actors playing Portuguese characters are Portuguese irl. And yes, the story/Blackthorne portraying the Portuguese as people who wanted to colonise or conquer Japan (along with the trade being unfair towards the Japanese) is nonsense in real history. The most some of the Jesuits wanted to do was convert the Japanese to Christianity, not some grand evil masterplan to completely conquer or colonise it. But as long as the authors make it clear that they changed things from real history for the sake of the plot it's fine.

[@tats8666]

In terms of the "ending the family line" and expecting to kill your own baby, that is historically inaccurate or at least most have not heard of it. Other Samurai killing babies and offspring of their enemies to end their line and the possibility of retribution in future is relatively well known. There were enough spoilers in this episode that it could have done better. Such as what I just mentioned before, but also that the show implied that eventually John Blackthorne left Japan, but William Adam's never did. I have always wondered if there are any descendants of William Adam's still living in Japan.

[@Muf0n40]

You should make movie/historical accuracy channel . Like history buffs

[@Jiruri]

Okay, so we're not gonna mention the sniper cannons at all?

[@brkobrkan4230]

will there be a secon season?

[@Alexq79-]

There’s planned to be a second and third season

[@pcr587]

While the concept of committing seppuku is medieval thing, the last minister of the army of Japan, Korechika Anami, actually committed seppuku in 1945, to take responsibility of the defeat in WWⅡ.

[@depressedyouth]

Before watching Shogun,I never really found Japanese history or culture interesting. But now I quite admire it

[@conradoccaminha]

You know the Portuguese DID have a treaty with Spain where they owned half the world right? It's called the Treaty of Tordesillas. Now, did the Portuguese have a grand plan to conquer Japan through Christianism? No. They were way too busy with other nearer colonies and Japan was too far and difficult to reach and also too organized and hard to conquer. Still, they absolutely WOULD have tried to conquer Japan if they could. It wasn't so much an issue of desire, but of means. And the church absolutely did use their relation with Japan to gain money and power, as they did with much of the world. they had deals with the crown about who they could convert and how to use new converts to work in their own monasteries. Again, they wanted to grow more, but they didn't have the means. No offense, but the idea isn't as ridiculous as it seems. Yes, John exagerates it to bring Toranaga to his side but frankly it was probably one of his most truthful lies to the japanese.

[@Dontdoit_]

Best show right now

[@CptSlow89]

Is this on Netflix?

[@gunterthekaiser6190]

Disney+

[@LaloMartins]

We also know Toranaga won and became Shogun in the end because we see his descendants ruling the country in the sequel Gaijin.

[@kradoste6268]

Can we do how historically accurate is Wano arc in One Piece next?

[@ancaryvan4811]

What if I told anyone the origin of Samurai began as a horror story involved with a Flying Head, would anyone believes? 🤷‍♂️

[@MrQuipetechieTnt]

Despite all the answers given, I still find hard to believe the communication was so smooth. It's quite rare to find an Englishman able to speak Dutch for starter, but ok mets go with it. But then one who also speaks fluent Portuguese? Ahem...

[@Omegaess]

Hello internet welcome to History theory

[@CoNeSol]

The recent Shogun TV program was such a dissapointment that I stopped watching it after the 3rd episode - when you have read and enjoyed the book several times - then to watch them tear the orihinal storyline to shreds was very dissapointing.

[@AnonymousGamer546]

The story had to take some liberties with the storyline, as is the case with any film adaption. James Clavil took more than a few liberties with history since his novel was about storytelling. Give the series another shot. It will make a good story in its own right.

[@ahmarelvirgio823]

People fail to realized that actually Toranaga (Ieyasu) is the bad one here. While Ishido (Mitsunari) is actually the good one here, he's doing all he could to protect the Toyotomi legacy

[@AnonymousGamer546]

Ishido (and defiantly Mitsunari) wants Taiko's legacy as much as Toranaga wants it. Besides, the Taiko himself usurped the legacy of his predecessor.

[@kiton1890]

Thank you very much from Odesa, Ukraine. Very interesting, though the tv show me even not interest

[@grubbythefarmer2417]

You guys read my mind, are you psychic?

[@KingsandGenerals]

Just know what our audience likes

[@muddywitch9016]

The reason Blackthorn volunteered to second Mariko was because no one else would do it. And as a Christian if she had no second she would technically be committing suicide. And if there was a question of consequences for samurai killing a peasant was this ever a reality or was it only a matter of form?

[@LanguorousEngineer]

The future Shogun of Japan only has one translator available to him Sure

[@m33p0]

i think Blackthorn's insults to Omi are in english and are quite enjoyable 😄

[@jonbaxter2254]

"Tell this milk-dribbling fuck smear I am ready to go..."

[@reginaldshort8486]

This is the 6th video made in tribute to Shogun and it’s rightfully deserved

[@joaobranco3397]

As a portuguese i wanted portuguese dialogs 🥲

[@KingsandGenerals]

Yeah, I also thought they should have done it. Probably decided that the Japanese was already dominating the show too much.

[@joaobranco3397]

@@KingsandGenerals Agree. And possibly would take longer for the actors to learn portuguese wich it's not easy.

[@electickjo]

Nothing beats NHK Taiga dramas………

[@damonbeats6770]

HERE

[@pedluc2010]

The show is indeed brilliant. My small nickpick is indeed with the westerners. Not only could (some) jesuits have orange robes (like the series in the 80's), like many did in Japan in order to connect to the colour connected to bhuddist monks, but the captain of the "black ship" wears a bit too much of "generic fantasy black" clothing. He would most likely be a minor noble, considering the importance, so it could have been reflected. I understand why they wanted to make the Portuguese (and spanish, given the crown union at the time) a bit more "rough" but this could have been done differently, as they show so well during the show.

[@joeyartk]

Its completely inaccurate in just about every single thing. Especially that Mariko(Hosokawa Gracia) never even met Blackthorn(William Adams). And on top of that, her husband Hosokawa Tadaoki, would have killed him instantly if he had even dared to look at her. He once killed their gardener for talking to her in the garden. The book was a white mans sexual fantasy and this show was a feminist fantasy. The shame is the real history was actually much more interesting and entertaining than these fairytales.

[@-JA-]

👍🙂

[@megasdiadochi8298]

A lot of the European culture and history presented was contrived and inaccurate

[@DH_264]

'medieval' ??