How Humanity Created The BORG! - Star Trek Explained

The Borg are perhaps considered the Ultimate Villains of Star Trek. Ever since there impressive and scary first appearance in the 1989 “Q Who” episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, the creepy cybernetic humanoids have been a constant problem and concern for the Federation and other galactic species. The Borg Collective was so intimidating due to there ultimate goal. This being the atonement of perfection through the forcible assimilation of other species.
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[@KingOfMadCows]

I like the idea of the Borg coming from outside the galaxy. It would reconcile Guinan's claim that they've been developing for thousands of centuries with the Vaaduar's claim that the Collective only had a small number of planets during their time. The Borg could have developed for thousands of centuries in their home galaxy before arriving in the Milky Way during the time of the Vaaduar's empire. It would also mean that there could be an entire galaxy or even multiple galaxies assimilated by the Borg out there.

[@antonhei2443]

I agree. It would be fun. Although they wouldnt be in humanoid form.

[@2490debrick]

No, I dont agree! I believe they were an accident created by an inept race like the Pakleds tinkering with technology they didn't understand!

[@williamainsworth2256]

In one TOS episode, there were a group of refugees who were from the Andromeda galaxy who said they were fleeing from a galaxy wide war that destroyed their civilization. Someone, I don’t remember who, theorized that it might have been the Borg. Would make sense.

[@ascelot]

@@antonhei2443 Borg is the technology, not the form, the humanoid form is what they assimilate.

[@Streifi]

@@williamainsworth2256 Didn't they flee from galaxy-wide rising radiation levels though?

[@mysterymayhem7020]

The Destiny series of books are some of my favorites to read.

[@ohnen818]

I like that Destiny series origin of the borg much more.

[@gionova1]

The scary thing is that the collective appears to be a type of nexus being. In Picard it was stated that the Queens were aware of time disruptions and capable of traveling through time. This would suggest that they have no real singular beginnings and that even all the possible origins might all be technically true at the same time.

[@michaelhughes7718]

I read a short story on their creation once years ago. Future federation archaeologists decided to investigate the genesis of the borg using a time window so they could view everything in secret. They viewed a desperate scientist father on a pre warp drive planet slightly more advanced than today, injecting his daughter with prototype nanites because she was dying. Unfortunately, the time window wasn't perfect and irradiated the nanites, which were controlled by a basic AI hive mind, deleting and scrambling some of its original programming from replicating and improving the body to peak condition into assimilate and achieve perfection, then after the daughter, being controlled by the nanites, assimilated her father the planet suffered a cyborg zombie apocalypse, later a warp capable ship landed to plunder the resources and ended up getting assimilated. The rest is history.

[@nealjroberts4050]

Probably the best of the origin stories relative to the video

[@angelrivera2339]

I remember a very old Fanfiction story that future Starfleet had traveled in time to the original Borg homeworld and renegade Starfleet members of the crew decided it was a good time to destroy the Borg. They decided to introduce some nanites before the collective was formed. the thing was that the original nanites were meant to gather medical data to better treat diseases. so the renegade's nanites alter the original nanite and it made it assimilate the first person. that person started assimilating others. The other Starfleet officers tried to stop the renegades, but they were too late. The last line was one of the officers guarding the renegades was glad the was not the JAG officers that would have to clean this mess. It has been years that I have seen the story and I could not find it again.

[@jsizemo]

Who says that there need be a single “original” Borg species? If different civilizations can independently develop warp technology, then different civilizations could independently develop the cybernetic technology that forms the building blocks of (small ‘b’) borg life. And the overtime, these different “borgs”, including vger, encounter one another and become (capital ‘B’) Borg that we all know.

[@pokepress]

That’s actually an interesting idea.

[@christopherbowers7236]

Yeah, most of the time we see species resisiting the idea of being assimilated. But any borg-like collectives would always willingly assimilate believing either a) the new species to be better and worth assimilating into. Or B) that they were the better and that the other species would become subserviebt to their own.

[@ArtistryBranson]

Ok, this is now my head canon. Thanks!

[@Rodimusbill]

Destiny was a great trilogy of books that used all Star Trek shows during that time.

[@BlokeOnAMotorbike]

given a constant rate of assimilation, it has been variously estimated that the Borg spawned from their homeworld somewhere in the Delta quadrant sometime between the ninth and 14th centuries.

[@jawanzamarsh3867]

It's so funny that I come across this video this afternoon when I actually just got done rereading the Star Trek Destiny trilogy and its version of the Borg's origins just a couple of days ago. Despite it not quite squaring with Guinan's explanation to Captain Picard in TNG season 2 that the meshing of organic and cybernetic elements had been developing for thousands of centuries, I still found it the most compelling Borg origin story because of the irony of humanity's involvement in unintentionally creating one of its most deadly enemies. It felt less forced than the paradox suggested at the end of the Enterprise Borg episode that it was unknown, unintended consequences of the crew of the Enterprise-E thwarting the Borg's attempt to stop First Contact and not Q flinging the Enterprise-D into the path of a Borg Cube at system J-25 that made the Borg fully aware of humans and the Federation. Voyager's stories of the assimilation of Seven and her parents had already provided loose explanations for how the Borg knew enough about humans to pull off the attacks on the remote outposts along both sides of the Federation-Romulan border near the Neutral Zone. At any rate, the very first time I read that part of the Destiny story that the Borg derived crazed member of the Caeliar forcibly enslaving surviving members of the Columbia NX-02, I couldn't help but wondering at the reactions of both Jonathan Archer and Vulcan Ambassador Soval had both those characters survived into the 24th century to hear Erika Hernandez's discovery of the Borg's connection to the Caeliar and humanity. especially Soval's reaction to the human connection.

[@kittycat0876]

I wish they would do a Borg origins movie

[@lisaroberts8556]

Star Trek the Motion Picture

[@Streifi]

@@lisaroberts8556 I never liked that explanation for obvious reasons. V'ger was found and improved by a world of "living machines", not necessarily cyborgs. If they were Borg, they would have little motivation to find ancient, derelict space probes and restoring them to fulfill their original mission to an nth degree. They would either exploit its technology (if useful to them) or ignore it. Also V'ger turned Ilia into an android like machine with capacity to simulate some organic functions, something utterly different than the assimilation methods and cybernetic implants and processes the Borg we know use and we don't know how the merge between V'ger, Ilia and Decker turned out in the end. We never again heard about V'ger in canon Trek. "Control" in the second season of Discovery was way closer to be a possible origin for the borg than V'ger ever was. But then again, it still wasn't the origin of the Borg.

[@richardajoy79]

The designations the Borg use for labelling a species is numerical, literal starting at Species 1 and going up, which kinda makes sense, but one funny thing, the Ferengi are numbered 180 & even though distance-wise aren't too far from Earth, Humans are Species 5618. I would've thought if a human was the first Borg, humans would be Species 1... it would be nice to get some canon backstory.

[@mammutMK2]

Either it was the caretaker (as there's a reference in an Episode of Voyager) or seeking new ground for profits they send some ships out.

[@corwinberry5925]

The Ferengi traveled everywhere. Like all over way before humans did. They def fucked around and found out early with the borg.

[@elliotkingaby5312]

I think sometime not having a origin story is better. Not knowing the origins of Characters like the borg or joker etc makes them more interesting, threatening and exciting. Leaving some things a mystery or unknown is not a bad thing.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

I like the Vger idea alongside the columbia ideas, humanity had indirect influence on the creation of the borg but their true origins were long before that

[@jsizemo]

Vger could have been one of many borg type lifeforms that arose in the galax(y/ies)

[@user-hh5hp6uf7y]

I Agree. I never thought about that but it seems like that would be correct

[@vin6135]

An excellent opportunity for a Borg origin story was in Voyager. The Borg and Videans should have had a shared ancestry. The phage that was destroying the Videans could have separated their species into 2 factions. One chose to pursue harvesting other species and integrating their organic parts. The other also chose to integrate cybernetic tech as well.

[@WilliamAGould]

Well, given there a Temporal Cold War going on in Star Trek, with multiple ongoing timelines existing side by side, many of those origins could have happened, depending on which timeline is being discussed. Personally, I like the Voyager-Borg origin the most. There is poetry to the tragedy.

[@H0wlrunn3r]

Oh sweet! I got into one of my favorite KZbinr’s videos! Much love ❤

[@TrekCentral]

You're the best!

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

I still like the idea of Borg origins to be remained a mystery.

[@barrybend7189]

I prefer the borg to be more mysterious in origin.

[@Demobot1]

I agree. But the real power of the Star Trek Destiny is it goes over why the Borg do what they do. And it's more than achieving perfection. More importantly why the Borg value the Omega Particle so much.

[@ronaldjeffrey8712]

In my opinion, it makes for weak unimaginative writing to make humanity the root of all evil. Sadly, it seems as if an entire generation of writers are going down that road. The same philosophy has lead to the current trend toward trying to turn Superman into a villain.

[@kbanghart]

​@@ronaldjeffrey8712or instead of weak, it could just be different than what you were expecting.

[@ronaldjeffrey8712]

@kbanghart The thing is that at this point, it's been done so often that it's what practicly everyone expects.

[@mikee5718]

Didn't they not have contact with humans until the 1st encounter (with Q) and First contact film? Didn't Enterprise kind of resolve this a bit? I'm confused?

[@madcapmiguel5071]

You're correct, humans aren't responsible for the Borg. Slow news day. Even if the Voyager probe enabled it, a thriving alien civilization created the Borg from its wreckage.

[@robertallen6701]

The Episode in Star Trek Enterprise is a sequel to the movie First Contact. In First Contact, a Borg sphere goes back in time to before the first warp flight. Picard's Enterprise follows them back in time and destroys the sphere. Some of the wreckage crashes in the Arctic, where it's found during the time of Archer's Enterprise, and the drones are thawed out and reactivate themselves.

[@LaurenGlenn]

I would so watch an origin story of the Borg as a mini series.

[@Corilius1701]

I like the Star Trek Destiny novels' explanation best thus far

[@Streifi]

How did they explain their origin?

[@matthewwasser5621]

I always assumed that the Borg evolved slowly over time. They slowly added cybernetic parts to their bodies over time like we seem to be doing now or, at least, some want to do now.

[@literalsarcasm1830]

The Borg are a paperclip maximizer. It was an AI that was programmed with the single directive "Achieve Perfection" and it got waaaaaaaaaaay out of hand.

[@mxviii]

The borg are not AI, they are primarily organic beings, borg is derived from Cyborg, which are cybernetically enhanced biological organisms.

[@manofaction1807]

The Spawn of VGER....

[@brianlee129]

Columbia crashed in the GAMMA quadrant

[@rubaiyat300]

Ugh I hope not. Humanity should already be more on the hook for Nomad and V’ger and the untold devastation they wrought. Making the Borg would put humanity up for deletion from the timeline and would be rightly carried out by the Q. And I bring them up only because they would absolutely not allow ignorance or someone else made those things worse as a defense.

[@theequalizer9154]

I'm glad you did this video! It makes me recall a news story feature I saw some 12 or15 years ago. It was about putting telephone and other electronic communications devices implants actually into the human body, for conveniences in the near future. When I saw that news feature, the first thing I thought about was the Borg and that is how the Borg were started.

[@lightbearer313]

In his fanfic 'Legend' (a ST:TNG & BtVS crossover) ShayneT had a similar story to this for the origin of the Borg, with a pre-warp society that develops interconnectivity to a high degree.

[@straycat1674]

I got your answer right here. Obviously this is not canon but if I wrote any of this I would make it cannon. You see in my mind Zai Battlestar Galactica and Star Trek are part of the same universe. The board are the evolution of the Cylons.

[@jedipath]

Star Trek Destiny would’ve made an amazing trilogy.

[@paulphelps1583]

The Borg also turns up in Discovery season 2 when the probe comes back from the future

[@jgraygaming225]

I've got a theory that kinda just adds to the mystery if im being honest. In Star Trek Enterprise, we see a group of humans find the Borg sphere in the Arctic. The Borg were destroyed in the episode, but not before transmitting a signal towards the delta quadrant. Most people already theorize that this is what sent the Borg on a warpath against humanity to begin with. My theory is that the Borg in the 22nd didn't exist as we know them. Instead, the signal was received by a single race version of the Borg, who used cyberneticly enhanced beings to do labor, almost as slaves. When they received the transmission from the 24th century Borg, the enhanced turned on the rest of their species and assimilated them. They then set out to assimilate others, knowing that they will eventually face humanity and could face extinction. This theory is based on the Bootstrap Paradox in which something has no observable beginning or end in time. It is merely a theory and has little proof to back it up. Any further insite, ideas, or contradictions are welcome

[@walterlyzohub8112]

“Too many cooks spoil the broth” is my opinion. The writers were not fully coordinated in the story writing causing some contradictions. Best leave it as a mystery for now until a real good idea happens.

[@Eva_H]

I really wish we got S5 of enterprise because we would’ve seen a human version of Alice Krige’s Borg queen as a human starfleet officer with a backstory and becoming the Borg queen. Maybe this is something that can be addressed at some point, maybe if we get the Star Trek Legacy show?

[@Aquilla86]

Wasn't it said on Voyager by the Queen that they are an actual race that they assimilate? I've read the Destiny books but don't remember them saying she was human. Could be wrong.

[@Eva_H]

@@Aquilla86 as I said this was something that was going to be addressed in S5 of enterprise, we were going to find out that the Borg Queen was originally a human female and it was the origins of who is this person in starfleet, who was she and how did she become the Borg Queen.

[@syoung2333]

I'm a big fan of the visor storyline

[@alisonsmith4436]

Interesting 🤔 video thank you ☺️

[@henrytimbrook4687]

Everyone knows the Borg were the Cylons, 200,000,ooo years ago

[@dwaynehicks6838]

Fracking toasters

[@ralfhtg1056]

The Star Trek Destiny Novels are simply GREAT! I wished, these books would have been adapted as feature films or series. THAT would have been so great!!!! But no... it had to be something else!

[@StillSaber]

What do you mean something else?

[@ralfhtg1056]

@@StillSaber I am not happy with what we got with Star Trek Picard.

[@StillSaber]

@@ralfhtg1056 The Destiny books aren't canon, but it takes place in the time when Picard was still Captain of the Enterprise-E.

[@ralfhtg1056]

@@StillSaber I know. I wish it was Canon.

[@StillSaber]

@@ralfhtg1056 I wish it was to, I enjoyed the books, I always wanted to know how the Collective came to be, a species so powerful and relentless that would send shivers down anyone's spine would require an origin story, not just simple explanation from a Famous El-Aurian that doesn't give you much information, at least in Star Wars the Force was given an explanation of what it is, why not the Borg.

[@captainmaliuz7092]

I adore Vger idea of borg evolution. This is my first computer game, and in my head - this is a canon

[@nickm9102]

It isn't canon but I feel that if the writers thought about it they would do something like this. The last Borg queen in a reality where the Borg are nearing Extinction attempts a jump to another universe in order to expand, the experiment, powered by Omega particles, has an unexpected result. the Queen is relocated to (insert first world of the Borg), she is sent back to a point in time predating the collective and assimilates the population but due to the limitations of one Borg having to supply all the nanoprobes to assimilate the world and a lack of existing technology and resources she is forced to revert the collective to an older form (its original collective base) just to maintain, this base form over time evolves into the Borg that we know. They become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[@JAGGEDJUNKIE103]

I do like the Vger idea, makes the Motion picture a lot better.

[@Arms872]

Who else prefers the LTC?

[@jeffdeupree7232]

I see a lot of comments implicating nanites in Borg origins. Having watched all of TNG thru ENT in order on their original air dates I got the impression they didn’t start out with nanite assimilation technology. I thought the early assimilations were more brutal, akin the cybermen of DW, with nanites being introduced later as a more recently assimilated technology.

[@scottbraun2457]

Thanks to a quote from, Gynan, most all ideas, begin to make twisted sense..as it always looked to much like there couldn't be only one particular origin..but many sources..that came together, and merged.

[@Plaprad]

Never liked the versions where they were made by humanity. Just makes it seem like Humans are the end all of the universe and we have to have a hand in EVERYTHING. In the grand scale of the universe, we're not that important. Kinda feels like a case of "Hey, someone did a science experiment in the future that actually created our universe due to subspace timey-wimey." Just, no.

[@2bstiff584]

I agree why are us humans blamed for everything

[@nealjroberts4050]

The ST universe always felt a bit bootstrappy timewise so I'm ok with the Borg's origins being future-ish shenanigans.

[@manofaction1807]

GAMMA Quadrant...

[@MarcoDiFresco]

I am a fan of the V'ger theory.

[@ubncgexam]

According to Memory Beta (a FanDom-Wiki) the BORG emerges 4527 BC from the planet Arehaz in the Delta Quadrant; they were created when the surviving crew of the NX-02 Columbia that traveled back in time with the Caeliar, originating from 2168, were absorbed by the last surviving Caeliar, the now-degenerate Sedin. After they come into existence, they target their first victims, the Kindir.

[@janvanahn]

Star Trek Destiny Novels

[@ericalbers4867]

I prefer the bootstrap theory. The Borg exist because they exist. They don't have a beginning, not originator or prime mover. The Borg arise because the Borg are discovered. They're discovered because future Borg ended up crashing back in time only to be discovered later and begin assimilating. Though they avoided powerful species at the time due to their low numbers and power.

[@SWERVe72]

I have always wanted them to be a result of V'ger.

[@ehrenbyrd-tv5po]

The replicators that were made by the ancients in the Pegasus galaxy are the origin of the borg

[@mikegammon1]

I thought the Romulans did it

[@sharonec5419]

No, but I think the Romulans knew about the Borg before the Federation did.

[@hkxeno001]

FINALLY, SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME KNOWS THIS ORIGIN FOR THE BORG!!!

[@markbeards4441]

To find the origin of the Borg then find the origin of the nano probes.

[@jetfire1153red]

7:38 I think if you check the NX-02 Columbia what is found on a planet in the Gamma quadrant not the Delta quadrant if it had been found in the Delta quadrant it would’ve turned up in Voyager but it didn’t.

[@theequalizer9154]

Could another species have invented and created the Doomsday Machine (from the TOS) to destroy the Borg? Or, was it the Borg that created the Doomsday Machine?

[@jackthelad7907]

I have the idea for the origin of the Borg being born from desperation. I see a human like empire expanding to its neighbours taking them over peacefully when possible and forcefully when not. After a long expansion, they eventually come across a system they cannot persuade or force. In the ensuing fight, they get forced back to their home system. In desperation, they create a group of enhanced soldiers to defeat their enemy. This works but the enhanced soldiers are so changed that they cannot live within the rest of the empire. They agree to live out their lives on one of the system's outer planets. Since the enhancements made them sterile, it is assumed that they will die out there. This seems to be the end and the empire expands again. However, a century later, a desperate plea is received from the planet that the enhanced soldiers had gone to. They were still alive and running out of supplies. The empire decides to let them come to the home world to pick up supplies only to find when the enhanced soldiers arrive that they have survived by becoming more and more enhanced. The empire also discovers too late that the "supplies" needed are more people to be enhanced. Thus the start of the spread of the Borg.

[@Aquilla86]

Those Destiny books are a great read. It has to be my favourite so far and the Coda series second.

[@nealjroberts4050]

I'd avoid any origins with nanites as they're explicitly said to come from a species assimilated by the Borg. The original Borg would assimilated others by more obvious surgery.

[@richardslater3913]

I like this video

[@stirling84]

Borg were my favourite, as a kid my stepdad had a borg cube vhs boxset I always thought was cool. I remember I would watch that a fair few times, but his original series vhs wouldn't even leave the shelf. Far too dated for me even back then

[@mammutMK2]

Having a research station near a black hole makes no sense, as the time dilation causes the time to get slowed down. But the other way around is very plausible... conduct two years of research in one week (or one day) would make it possible to fight diseases before the actual breakout. But wait, there's more: technological research and development, ship construction...its actually endless

[@donaldnoell5378]

Fatal flaw in the last part of possible borg origins. Species numbers. If Human were the directly the cause of the Borg wouldn't their species number be like 001, 002 or even 003?

[@niojataj]

The origins of the Borg in 10 MINUTES?

[@stewartbugler]

I find it kinda disappointing that the only origin concepts I hear people give are the somewhat unimaginative beta cannon entries on the subject. I had 2 species one in Voyager and an even more Mysterious species in DS9 which could hold answers to the borg origin. Dramatis Personae has some sort of telepathic archive of an entire station of people having a power struggle. They go unnamed but there's enough context which goes kinda no where in the episode that it could connect to aspects of the Borg. Like the commander on the archive always started tinkering building some sort of machine. He even seems pretty certain that eventually there would be no argument or conflict to worry about.

[@iffieaesar7620]

Wibble!!! XD

[@sonofawil]

Contentious opinion: the Borg queen was a mistake. The Borg was scarier when it was an anonymous collective, capable of complex thought but without a single central personality. The queen came about due to a shortsighted need for a conventional antagonist.

[@stankbox]

Agreed, I've said the same and including Locutus.

[@tomepfi]

Wasn't it said in Picard S1 that the Borg were created by the Romulans? Not the best origin, I'll agree with that. But if that's the case, then that's canon.

[@comcastjohn]

I created the Borg for I am the Borg. Cease your fantastic hypothesis! We will arrive soon. Resistance is futile.

[@JOECURR1488]

THE BERG...

[@ghostpcab]

If you like this Borg look up the lore from the mirror universe where the Borg become the Borg Kingdom and it alot better then the Borg

[@loriaworld108]

So they forgot the Star Trek tos story the first every movie and William Shatner books how fun

[@dorugu]

i think v'ger was one of the 1st borg at least one of th startrek books hints at that spock was almost borgified in it but it stopped mid way so they thought that he alrdy was one after all he mind melded w vger so

[@SolarWraith]

Don't provoke the Borg!

[@dk-dr4yl]

BORG are a paradoks coolective from tv series Picard born BORG

[@kurokamina8429]

APAROID! APAROID! APAROID!

[@alwayscuriousalwayslearnin]

I think the idea of the Borg is the same idea of terminator , in that a computer uses logic to clean up sop they inject the human, the computer see according to its logic , disease and impurities, removes them while also healing the body extremely fast at the same time, hence asimulation, once the programs ( nanos tec) finishes its logic has to stop the spread of it, it makes more and more Borg until it has cleansed everything it comes into contact with. But then as time goes ( possibly milinia) it also programs itself to find what it sees as perfection, of course this is very simply put. But I think the whole idea of the Borg came from the idea of something like the terminator s skynet and other previous movies and written stories , before the time of computers I am sure there were similar stories written. I do like the idea of Vger fro mthe I frst Star Trek movie that would make sense to me also

[@JayC2k08]

Ok point blank there is no origin story for the borg that is cannon. So trek EU don't count as cannon STO counts as semi cannon. Most of everything from there has been confirmed on screen with a bit of tweaking.

[@TrekCentral]

Yes we said this in the video ;)

[@JayC2k08]

@TrekCentral Sorry nothing was meant just pointed out again I apologize 😔

[@JayC2k08]

To be honest, I think the voyager, by that time, found a galaxy of Borg different and more sophisticated other than the borg we know today. Hence, vger. They also sent their own probe, but that probe was damaged and landed in the delta quadrant on some planet. Some time after its inhabitants found the probe, the probes repair nantes program was corrupted, and the people or person that accessed it got assimilated because the nantes decided that organic life is perfect so fix it.

[@seanwashbrook9235]

Do we need to know the origin of all factions? Can't we have some mystery for once? Leave it to the readers to ponder where they came from!?

[@connorwatson6766]

The Borg do not have an official origin and it's better that way. Every origin fans have come up with is terrible and wouldn't work in canon.

[@Hurricanelive]

This 💯% I leave it as a dark mystery and that they are very expansive, like the Imperium that as they spread multiple portions are lost and become their own collective in a massively broader infinite universe. That there are even more malevolent or even benevolent Borg civilizations outside the known universe.

[@davidmckendry4491]

Yes I agree the mystery of the borgs origin helps keep them interesting.

[@dk-dr4yl]

Time paradoks Born Borg

[@sgpch1983]

i would always go with the alpha canon!! so it was vger.. how, why, etc. no clue, and thats ok!

[@mxviii]

The Borg were not living machines, they are organic life forms that are cybernetically enhanced. Removing the cybernetics and the nanites returns them to their normal humanoid selves. The borg queen herself is also a biological organism. So no, VGER was not a Borg, and the living machines that messed with Vger were also not Borg, because Borg are not living machines.

[@karlkennedy163]

The startrek books called startrek destiny gods of night a 3 part book series layed out the the origins of the borgs and how the USS columbus from from rhe star trek enterprise ear nx1 . Was sent back in time after they set of a explosion over alien planet. Long story short the alien race where more evolved and where dying and to survive they joined with a human and then discovered by a alien race and being Assimilate them . And so on

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

Its amazing how shows and movies today just love to destroy IPs.

[@RudKip]

Capt Picard is the best captain!

[@stippendium4355]

I have read the destiny trilogy. Good beginnings but not really a fan of it. My biggest problem with it is that there is a galaxy full of life and stories. An infinite number of species. And the humans with the thousandth time travel story are (partly) responsible for the devaluation of the Borg. Are we humans so important that everything must somehow have something to do with us?

[@corwinberry5925]

The answer is simple. They came from Captain Power. No seriously that's where they came from. Anyhow Borg exist in multiple dimensions. It's what they do.

[@javanpoly4901]

Am I the only one to be like completely unable to fathom what that narrator is discussing??

[@rayfwu]

Whenever I come across a Borg origin theory, I always check for a few criteria. First, are humanity involved somehow? Second, is time travel involved somehow? And third, is a previously established species involved somehow? If one or more of those criteria are true, I immediately turn off. I didn't even finish this video. I came here just to post this comment.

[@rubaiyat300]

Same. Though I did watch the video for the channels sake.

[@sharonec5419]

Me either.

[@inexpl]

Agreed. Although i respect the opinion of Trek Central, humanity’s involvement in borg’s creation is a copout

[@jparky1972]

Yep! Why do 'we' always have to be the ones that started a catalyst somehow.

[@LucianLacroix]

Destiny series was great.

[@manoahvanderwolf3259]

I hate the Picard series profoundly, it's an insult to TNG series and movies, so i'll ignore that nonsense. I think Voyager did great with the Borg. The Borg being the result of a far away alien civilization, far, FAR away, that developed cyborgs that went wrong, is a interesting and reasonable concept. I would also like the concept that they were far less advanced before, and only relatively 'recently' had a growth, and/or, actually in an effort of aliens in it's 'original' galaxy area to beat them or destroy them but that they developed transwarp, perhaps even time-travelling whilst doing so, to save one borg cube to escape total annihialation and end up in the delta quadrant, hundreds of years before voyager arrived there. what would be extra interesting is if the real origins of the borg was a alien species, struggling on their home planet from a disease that made their bodies decay, perhaps from star-radiation or something, and they had to live underground in caves or made 'cube' like structures to protect themselves. this alien species, very, very humanoid in design, nearly identical, but thousands of years before mankind even achieved warp technology. mankind then set away voyager, which did it's work for hundreds and hundreds of years, until it got pulled into a singularity, some rare, random event in the universe that caused a wormhole through time, where it got caught in and ended up thousands of years in the past, where it then further drifted in space until it crash-landed into the alien planet suffering from the radiation, and ended up in a sea of the planet of a special 'rare' liquid mixture that prevented it from getting too damaged. with the aliens recovering this strange thing, they noticed an inscription that said v'ger. and they inspected it and after hundreds of years were able to decipher and decode the machine and even replicate it's technology, completely alien and different to what they have been developing and living in, and made the technology their own and adapted it and discovered the technology could be compatible to their bodies though cybernetic adaptation. when they were succesful in copying all the technology, they learned about mankind and the travel of voyager, and decided it should be sent 'home', so they directed it towards Earth, but now enriched with their knowledge, incorporating and informing a way to use cybernetic adaptation to heal or survive, sharing their knowledge in the hopes of one day establishing contact - believing that humans are the only other species in the entire universe. the human technology, which is very industrial in it's concept, allowed the aliens to protect themselves better from the radiation, shielding themselves, and they fused robotics with themselves more and more, until finally it has gotten into a part of their lives, and had no option to implement as they already were losing reproduction capacity due to the radiation. cloning proved unsuccesful and the species got in danger of extinction, they could expand their life expectancy for a long, long time, but their inability to reproduce proved problematic. finally, they achieved warp technology, and started expanding in their galaxy. it took quite a while before they actually encountered an alien species. their technology got shared, but the alien species could not help them in regaining reproduction capacity. instead, they managed to help them achieve downloading their consciousness into a 'digital' form. eventually, this led to them being able to digitally reproduce but without having a body to operate, they could not expand. full robotic bodies were not suitable, and lab-grown meat so to speak lacked what they called a 'soul'. instead, they finally ended up in secretly and covertly capturing one of their ally's, whom were technologically far less advanced, and try experiments. after failing many times, they finally managed to achieve success with a few female and a few male aliens, and managed to 'assimilate' them and infest their minds with their consciousness. At that moment, the borg truly were born, and the original species essentially died/lost.

[@chiefwiggi7637]

No!!! There will be no definitive of the origins. Not every effing thing needs to be explained. Just look what these ppl from DISCO did to the Breen. No!

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Humanity did not create the borg. But humanity destroyed them wigh inconsistent scriptwriting.

[@robertgaines-tulsa]

I just don't care for the V'ger genesis of the Borg. It also feels lazy. Let's just connect the dots rather than came up with new material. They never even found the machine planet. They even went to far as to claim that V'ger's ship was just a standard issue Borg queen ship. Boo! Just deflate it entirely just to save time. In TMP, they claim that spacial anomaly singularity was once referred to as black hole. The general consensus is that we learned more about them with the aid of warp drive to take us to black holes and study them. However, in Discovery, they are just black holes, again. Just take more Star Trek canon and shred it. It's just fun at this point. This is what happens when you have people take over a franchise they never liked to begin with. They just completely rewrite it to serve their interests. In the future, key elements in Star Trek like transporters and warp drive are removed because they aren't realistic. Star Trek is just exploring the Solar System, now. I mean, who cares-- it's just fiction.

[@wkjeeping9053]

In Picard series, the romulans created the borg.

[@user-ih8fw7bu5p]

❤😂🎉😢😮😅

[@ahsenkhan5386]

Vger makes no sense

[@sharonec5419]

You know the way the Q were afraid of the Borg. Like in Voyager when Q talks to his son Q not to mess with the Borg. Maybe it's because the Q originate from the Borg. So really they also originate from Humans 🤔.

[@kingfisher1487]

I understand that the lore of origin is complicated. But was star trek the motion picture started off the borg?

[@SuperGamefreak18]

nope Vger, the borg first appeared during the end of the TNG show. The borg appeared in TNG's second movie

[@jsizemo]

To some degree TNG re-used a lot of concept art from The Motion Picture (including the theme music) which itself comes from the relics of an earlier attempt to do a new Star Trek Phase 2 TV series in the mid 70’s. The Borg could have been a reuse of the Vger concept to some extent.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@jsizemo you honestly aren’t wrong but vger and what we know as the borg are two different things. Though you are right that the TOS movies started most of the common traits of Star Trek.

[@themoneycrewnetwork]

I hate the borg