How I Anneal Brass Cartridge Cases for Reloading

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314299 Shooting Channel

314299 Shooting Channel

10 жыл бұрын

The method I use to "anneal" or stress relieve the necks of brass cases for ammunition reloading. Properly done this process extends case life as well as having other benefits.

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@406life
@406life 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, finally someone who knows what he's doing and not trying to sell a 600$ machine!!
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@jude.v25
@jude.v25 5 жыл бұрын
Your video is still circulating and still helpful. Simplifies an important process. Thanks for posting.
@314299
@314299 5 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear folks are still finding it useful, thanks for the feedback.
@SamEEE12
@SamEEE12 10 жыл бұрын
"If you're safe enough to be around a gun you should be safe enough to be around a propane torch." Thumbs up for this gem.
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
I occasionally shoot skeet with the provincial fire Marshall, perhaps that inspired me.
@antoniofiammelli1792
@antoniofiammelli1792 7 жыл бұрын
314299 Shooting Channel can I do this with all brass like Norma brass 30-378. 338-378 , Norma Nosler Barnes for 300 wsm ,,, Remington 243 great video
@pr0faker
@pr0faker 5 жыл бұрын
And then procedes to pull the casing back and burning some hair of the knuckles the first time he enneals it :)
@user-sz8tp4zu3n
@user-sz8tp4zu3n 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this. I will eventually be reloading ammunition for my .303 and this is an important step to know about.
@Jimbojenkins
@Jimbojenkins 7 жыл бұрын
Excellent instruction vid Sir! I used to do that when I reloaded long ago!
@snoozinglion8596
@snoozinglion8596 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent demonstration! Thanks for taking the time.
@314299
@314299 8 жыл бұрын
+Snoozing Lion You are welcome.
@benjamingoogins1267
@benjamingoogins1267 8 жыл бұрын
Love the simplicity of your approach. Thanks for sharing.
@314299
@314299 8 жыл бұрын
+trees dirt Sometimes simple works.
@ronoberkrom6442
@ronoberkrom6442 7 жыл бұрын
314299 Shooting Channel
@theBodger
@theBodger 5 жыл бұрын
As a newbie to reloading Thanks for the Video and saving me money on buying new cases.🇬🇧
@swakelin97910
@swakelin97910 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video I'm going to add this step into my 303 British reloading.
@stevemurray6150
@stevemurray6150 9 жыл бұрын
Glad I found this video. I like keeping things simple. Thanks
@314299
@314299 9 жыл бұрын
urbankz You are welcome, thanks for the comment.
@wiederladerTv
@wiederladerTv 10 жыл бұрын
Normaly I would like to build an machine for this Job until I saw your Video. seems to be a pretty fast method. Thanks for sharing.
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
It's certainly quick and simple.
@MrIdasam
@MrIdasam 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you very much.
@Yukon12gauge00buck
@Yukon12gauge00buck 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the demonstration and explanation I have some privy 308 brass that needs a treatment.
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
This is one of those things that's better to do too early than too late.
@mitchloren
@mitchloren 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. Simple and direct. Aloha, Loren
@314299
@314299 8 жыл бұрын
+Loren Mitchell Thanks for the feedback.
@Lickmuffin
@Lickmuffin 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing this. There are some awfully expensive devices out there for automating this process, but your approach is quick and easy. I'm probably wrong but at 3:34 or so it looks like you get your knuckle in the flame there.
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
I've seen those devices and they might be of value to a commercial reloader but are way too spendy for me. As for me sticking my knuckle in the flame, no, it was behind the flame. I normally would have things arranged a bit better but for the purpose of video I had the water behind the torch, normally it would be in front of it.
@Drspank89
@Drspank89 Жыл бұрын
LMAO 100% the flame even changed color
@jamespollard1670
@jamespollard1670 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing this simple way , I've seen guys anneal half way down the case in other vids and swear it was the right way to do it . I believe the color change should be slightly below the shoulder as you did .
@314299
@314299 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah not much point in going too far down the case as it does not get worked as much by the dies as the neck/shoulder does.
@GunGuy258
@GunGuy258 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this tutorial.
@314299
@314299 3 жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@duxrusso
@duxrusso 2 жыл бұрын
Like finding a needle in a hay stack!! Im a subscriber. Thank you for the common sense of it all. Ive read the comments, amazing feedback. Great video and teaching guide. 🍻😎👍
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback, glad to hear you liked the video.
@mrniccomable
@mrniccomable 8 жыл бұрын
most realistic annealing tutorial yet.
@314299
@314299 8 жыл бұрын
+Nic Prosser Thanks. I was trying to keep the process simple and yet get decent results.
@zachburleson495
@zachburleson495 7 жыл бұрын
great video thank you.. simple, logical and cost effective. annealing is not some kind of black magic. just watch this video and get annealing!
@hpmacmurray
@hpmacmurray 2 жыл бұрын
I just watched a guy put a case on a brick and torch it. Where did he see that ? I do the socket/drill into bread pan. Dark area with glasses to see the color change and carefully timed to boot. Your method is now formally recognized as totally acceptable. A+ for no burnt fingers.
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
I guess the guy with the case on a brick and torch wanted to avoid burning his counter, however he stands a good chance of overheating the case and ruining it. At the very least his cases will be annealed more on one side than the other. The drill/socket method does give a case heated uniformly, but you do have to be careful not to over do the heat as the potential exists of over heating the case head.
@randyreek
@randyreek 9 жыл бұрын
Keep it simple! Works good. I am going to try holding the brass on a scratch awl - through the primer hole - with one hand and spinning the cartridge with the other.
@314299
@314299 9 жыл бұрын
Interesting idea. Let us know how it works out.
@agitator263
@agitator263 10 жыл бұрын
Very interesting,thanks for sharing!
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks for checking out the video.
@jimmcgovern7515
@jimmcgovern7515 4 жыл бұрын
I think quenching the brass in water will cause it to get hard. Quenching is how they hardened metal for knife blades. I think to properly anneal metals you need to let it cool down to room temperature naturally.
@314299
@314299 4 жыл бұрын
Brass behaves differently than does iron/steel and does not quench harden. The water cooling in the video is an optional step, it can be used or not as desired without effecting the outcome of the annealing process.
@jimmcgovern7515
@jimmcgovern7515 4 жыл бұрын
@@314299 Thanks for the info.
@takedeadaim8671
@takedeadaim8671 3 ай бұрын
Steel and BRass are two different types of metal that react differently to heat and quenching, that’s why the annealing process must be specific to the metal type
@ny6u
@ny6u 6 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done
@314299
@314299 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@Uneasy80
@Uneasy80 Жыл бұрын
Great video and thorough! Just starting to reload so any way to save money is appreciated.
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for stopping by and checking out the video. I hope you have fun and success with your reloading efforts!
@edadpops1709
@edadpops1709 7 жыл бұрын
Haha i knew i didnt have to spend hundreds on a anealer machine. If its to hot to hold its to hot for the case. Profoundly right👍🏻
@petervollhiem3109
@petervollhiem3109 5 жыл бұрын
Much thanks for this video. Thumbs up.
@314299
@314299 5 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it. Thanks for the feedback.
@rikacoetzer8135
@rikacoetzer8135 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very good info and video
@314299
@314299 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback.
@MrDaveinAB
@MrDaveinAB 10 жыл бұрын
So as soon as the color changes its good to go? I'll have to give this a try! Thanks for making a great instructional video.
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
It's good to have some factory annealed brass to compare to, and try yo duplicate that, but it's better to error on the side of caution and go a little on the light side.
@Sanwizard1
@Sanwizard1 5 ай бұрын
Simple. I like it.
@314299
@314299 5 ай бұрын
Thanks.
@stibbsd
@stibbsd 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and thank you! Typically how many loads will you go through before you anneal once again? Or do you do this each time?
@314299
@314299 3 жыл бұрын
I try to anneal bout every five to seven loadings.
@davidw4346
@davidw4346 7 жыл бұрын
Good info thanks
@314299
@314299 7 жыл бұрын
You are welcome.
@ians1464
@ians1464 3 жыл бұрын
I'm liking this thanks
@314299
@314299 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@slowhand1198
@slowhand1198 10 жыл бұрын
Quick and effective. The pliers are a bit cumbersome, and hand rotation seems more sure than dancing about several with the torch. I'll give it a shot. Thanks.
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
And with practice you can get a very consistent result.
@shaverlocal
@shaverlocal 7 жыл бұрын
A very simple approach to a system I need to pursue. Thanks for the education and I already have what I need to do this project. How many firings before you anneal?. Thanks, Mark
@314299
@314299 7 жыл бұрын
I usually go five to seven firings between annealing.
@shaverlocal
@shaverlocal 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ptbush6323
@ptbush6323 2 жыл бұрын
I anneal exactly the same but skip the water part and just drop the brass into a tin foil pan. With the lights turned down low you will see a low dull red colour come into the neck and shoulder. This is a good indicator of the amount of heat as well.
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
The water portion is not strictly required and I don't do it myself anymore. I never heat the cases until they glow as that tends to bring them to a dead soft state which is not my goal, I'm only tying to stress relieve the brass and remove some of the excess hardness induced by the sizing.
@The762x39mm
@The762x39mm 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I like your method very much. I saw others video on youtube and guys get their brass red hot,i think is bad for case life right?
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
Heating the brass red hot will bring brass to a dead soft state, it can lead to the case collapsing when the bullet is seated.
@darinhintz5723
@darinhintz5723 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Would this be necessary for straight walled? Would it really increase shell life? I'm reloading 45-70 and never thought of this step.
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it would be just as beneficial for a straight wall rifle case like a 45/70 as for a bottle neck one.
@mtslyh
@mtslyh 10 жыл бұрын
What about straight walled handgun cases like .45 colt and .357 magnum? Do you anneal as often, less often, not at all? I'm assuming you'd still want to just do the mouth of the case. And being a shorter case you'd have a hard time holding it with your fingers...
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
For straight wall cases you only want the very edge of the case in the flame, obviously the shorter the case the more care you need to take.
@perryscott1140
@perryscott1140 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome method! Bare fingers ensure the web is not heated. No expensive single-purpose equipment, and no extra storage space needed. My inner Scotsman salutes you! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 That flame is hard to see. It may be safer to put the water where the case could be dropped with a slight arm/hand movement _away_ from the flame. Could save some knuckle hair. Thumbs up.
@314299
@314299 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment. My usual set up is different than the one I had to use for the purpose of showing the process on video so that's why it perhaps looks a bit awkward on the video.
@fightingbear8537
@fightingbear8537 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I wonder how it is done on an industrial scale?
@314299
@314299 8 жыл бұрын
I think there are a few video's out there showing ammo production that show segments on the annealing process.
@baugwan1
@baugwan1 Жыл бұрын
The problem I have when I clean the brass, is that there is always some corn cob stuck in the flash hole. How do you deal with that problem? Why don’t you do a video about what happens when you reload a rifle round and tumbling media remains/lodged in the brass. How it effects pressure, accuracy, and how likely it is to blow up the gun. You make awesome videos and I'm most grateful for all the work you do.😁
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
Back when I used to use a tumbler with dry media I was always careful to inspect each piece of brass to insure it was free of media and took the time to poke any media out of the primer flash hole. As a result I never had any issues with my tumbled brass when reloaded, however I have see other reloaders have problems, generally stuck media leads to duds. I have switched to wet tumbling with stainless pins and it is such a superior method I have not used my dry tumbler in several years.
@elingeniero9117
@elingeniero9117 Жыл бұрын
Ice pick from the hardware store. If you are cheap and handy, you stick a length of coat hanger wire or broken drill bit on on old broom stick and poke the stuff out.
@Jon-da-bad
@Jon-da-bad 5 ай бұрын
clean with the fired primers in@@314299
@jimbo2.094
@jimbo2.094 3 жыл бұрын
Just asking but I thought quenching caused metal to harden. Maybe brass is different? The definition of annealing is allowing something to cool slowly to relive stress. Would it be better to let the brass cool naturally say in a metal pan? Thanks for the video. Always learning.
@314299
@314299 3 жыл бұрын
The properties of brass are quite different than the properties of steel/iron, so dipping the hot cases in water does not harden them at all.
@user-un5my5bw4j
@user-un5my5bw4j Жыл бұрын
Makes no difference if you dunk them or air dry, brass is brass it has no carbon content. You could do the same to A36 mild steel and it will not harden one bit because it has no carbon content. In order for a metal to get hard it has to have a high carbon content in it like knife making steels do or it will not get hard at all
@JimmyEatDirt
@JimmyEatDirt Жыл бұрын
This is gonna sound really, really dumb, but I'm new to reloading. I'm trying to make a wildcat round that requires significant resizing of the neck of the case. Is this process done between using the die press, or is this just to extend the life of the cade? Thanks in advance.
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
Generally annealing should be performed after you are finished with your case forming operations. It will remove some of the stress induced to the cases due the reforming / working of the brass. If you do it before you do your case forming you risk the brass becoming too soft and collapsing when sized, this is especially a concern with bottle neck cases that most rifle rounds have.
@davidwagner4355
@davidwagner4355 10 жыл бұрын
good info
@314299
@314299 10 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@TotalHunter
@TotalHunter 4 жыл бұрын
That’s great thank tou
@314299
@314299 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment.
@robertmitchell9415
@robertmitchell9415 2 ай бұрын
Nice and simple.... who needs an expensive machine, a blow torch & fingers is my sort of solution.
@314299
@314299 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad that this video is still useful to folks years after I made it.
@jerrychambers7267
@jerrychambers7267 11 ай бұрын
At what stage do you anneal the brass ? Is it after 4-5 reloads and do you anneal before prepping brass or after ?
@314299
@314299 11 ай бұрын
I anneal after sizing the brass. Four or five reloads between is generally fine.
@hojoe164
@hojoe164 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Should i Anneal The brass befor or after fully resizing The brass?
@314299
@314299 6 жыл бұрын
I do the anneal after I size the brass, however I don't think it would make a huge difference if you did it before.
@DistinctEditz555
@DistinctEditz555 6 жыл бұрын
I would do it after, That way you can resize it and get that primer out and do the annealing and after you're done you will have a ready to polish (tumble) case.
@edwardjames1369
@edwardjames1369 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome. Happy new year!
@Johnny-jr2lq
@Johnny-jr2lq 2 жыл бұрын
Looks like I should get good results from this. I’m having a issue with my reloading. I’ll zero in on a great load for a rifle beautiful group in the latter stage. But when I come back to recreate the load that worked in the testing stage of reloading. It will not shoot as good only thing that is changed is the brass being resized. Same bullets Sierra 168gr BTHP on top of CFE223. Same charge weight same projectiles same primer same brass even. This has to be the solution to my problem annealing
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
Yes neck tension can have an effect on groupings. With continued reloading the brass gets harder changing the neck tension, annealing the brass may help with this and improve the groupings of your load. One other factor might be in play, and that is "bonding" of the bullet to the case neck caused by carbon and fouling on the inside of the case necks. Dirty case necks tend to stick the bullets in the cases, especially if the rounds sit a long time before being fired, so make sure your case necks are clean as well.
@payres48
@payres48 Жыл бұрын
How often do you recommend annealing brass? How many firings before you feel it necessary?
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
I try to anneal bout every five to seven loadings.
@heatshield
@heatshield 2 жыл бұрын
about what temp to you think these reach before you cool them? Does 300° sound about right?
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
About 400° Celcius.
@emnhw1comcastnet
@emnhw1comcastnet 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks,excellent advice! This goes for all rifle cases I assume? I reload 223, 45/70,303 brit, 458 win mag, 30-30,8x56r and 7.5 swiss> Thanks for your time!
@314299
@314299 9 жыл бұрын
Yep, same technique used for all cases.
@TheBruinspride123
@TheBruinspride123 3 ай бұрын
Got into reloading a few months ago, but started annealing about a month ago. However, whenever I anneal my case necks they turn black instead of turning slightly discolored like your brass does. Do you have any ideas as to why they turn black? I'm using a propane torch and taking the brasd away from the flame right before the flame changes from blue to red, but I cant figure out why my brass is turning black after annealing them.
@314299
@314299 3 ай бұрын
It sounds to me as though your torch is not burning properly and leaving carbon/soot on the brass.
@TheBruinspride123
@TheBruinspride123 3 ай бұрын
@@314299 so you think buying a new torch would fix the issue? It is an older torch that's been sitting in the shop for a long time
@txklint
@txklint 5 жыл бұрын
Sir why do you use the water? I've always seen them just air cool. Great video
@314299
@314299 5 жыл бұрын
The water was to prevent the leftover heat from moving down into the case head, however it probably is not required.
@CHEECHMUN
@CHEECHMUN 4 жыл бұрын
Is it useful to do pistol, or revolver brass?
@314299
@314299 4 жыл бұрын
I have never bothered annealing handgun brass, it's too hard to put the heat where required while keeping it away from the case head.
@crasht8
@crasht8 2 жыл бұрын
Quenching usually makes metals brittle? I would have thought that letting it cool at room temperature was the go....
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
That is true for ferrous alloys (steel/iron) but is not the case with brass.
@dougdavis7171
@dougdavis7171 Жыл бұрын
Annealing brass is accomplished by heating it up. Putting it in water quenches it which makes it harder not softer.
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
No, it does not harden when quenched in water. That would be the case with iron/steel alloys, but is not how brass behaves.
@sluggou812beotch
@sluggou812beotch 7 ай бұрын
Now you need to learn how to reload that propane canister. I haven't bought one of those propane tanks in years since I bought a refill adapter on Amazon for $11.
@314299
@314299 7 ай бұрын
I probably use only two cylinders a year.
@Seriona1
@Seriona1 Жыл бұрын
Do you think it's wise or absurd to anneal every time you reload? Basically you fire it once, clean and get it ready and then anneal. Rinse and repeat.
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
I know target shooters who do that, but they have expensive annealing machines that are much more precise that the hand method shown here. I think for the average shooter/reloader annealing every five to seven loadings is sufficient as our goal is to extend the life of the brass.
@Seriona1
@Seriona1 Жыл бұрын
@@314299 The only reason I ask is because I do not organize my brass based on how many times it's been fired, if it's safe, I will reload it. Thanks for responding.
@chrism1190
@chrism1190 7 жыл бұрын
Is it better to anneal after sizing and trimming or beforehand? Thanks.
@314299
@314299 7 жыл бұрын
I would wait until after the cases are sized.
@chrism1190
@chrism1190 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@johngiff2978
@johngiff2978 8 жыл бұрын
I thought you were to let the shells air cool after annealing? Does dipping in water not reintroduce the stresses and reharden the brass to some degree? Thanks!
@314299
@314299 8 жыл бұрын
No, dipping them in water does not harden them at all. Brass is quite different than steel or iron.
@dhooter
@dhooter 4 ай бұрын
I would have thought the rapid cooling of the water would actually harden the brass. Kinda like heat treating steel to be harder. Maybe it's the low temp?
@314299
@314299 4 ай бұрын
Brass behaves differently than does iron/steel and does not quench harden. The water cooling in the video is an optional step, it can be used or not as desired without effecting the outcome of the annealing process.
@dhooter
@dhooter 4 ай бұрын
@@314299 I did not know that about brass. Great video and thanks for answering my question 👍
@alouiciousjackson5812
@alouiciousjackson5812 6 ай бұрын
Supposedly a swirl torch gives better heat distribution, I've never tried it though
@314299
@314299 6 ай бұрын
Do they produce a different type of flame?
@gasgas8708
@gasgas8708 4 ай бұрын
Hello!Why annealing usually provides only for neck not for full body?
@314299
@314299 4 ай бұрын
That's a good question. The reason that only the neck/shoulder area is annealed is that the process softens the brass, this characteristic is only desirable in those areas. The head and body of the case would be weakened by annealing, they need to be hard/tough in order to perform properly.
@gasgas8708
@gasgas8708 4 ай бұрын
@@314299 I'm only beginner so thanks for your answer!
@valterforlano9734
@valterforlano9734 7 жыл бұрын
Hi I am Valter from Naples Italy How are the caliber of Lapua Palma 308 bossoli? They work well? thank you Greetings
@314299
@314299 7 жыл бұрын
They are excellent quality of course, but having small primer pockets are only suitable for ammunition to be used in summer conditions.
@valterforlano9734
@valterforlano9734 7 жыл бұрын
Because they are only used for ammunition to be used in summer conditions.?? Let's talk about lapua palm !!!!
@314299
@314299 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, the small primers used cannot be counted on to produce uniform and consistent ignition of powder charges at cold temperatures, however this is generally not an issue as "Palma" style target shooting is a warm weather sport.
@valterforlano9734
@valterforlano9734 7 жыл бұрын
Okay, thanks to the next one
@user-un5my5bw4j
@user-un5my5bw4j Жыл бұрын
Been doing it this way for years. I had some weirdo tell me the engineer in him wouldn't allow him to do it this way. Being a construction worker now days seeing how often engineers f**k simple common things up I replied "yes it's best you do not do it the simple way"
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
Many people who have lots of education seem to lack a lot of common sense.
@hamzamehr1499
@hamzamehr1499 6 жыл бұрын
Can this process be used to prevent Case head separation?
@314299
@314299 6 жыл бұрын
No. It is not safe to anneal anything but the front portion of the case, annealing the rear of the case will ruin it.
@Toolness1
@Toolness1 6 жыл бұрын
No, but look into neck sizing if it's a bolt action. If it's a semi auto, be sure you aren't over sizing your case. Size it exactly to max spec so there is less stretch. Usually case head separation is from a overly generous chamber or too much headspace. I have a couple old milsurp rifles that will separate heads in just a couple rings, so I neck size only and get way more use of the brass.
@bretthl1
@bretthl1 6 жыл бұрын
This is a gem, can't wait to try it. KISS.
@IvanZehirov
@IvanZehirov 4 жыл бұрын
Whats your opinion on lapua brass 7.62x53 R ? Thanks
@314299
@314299 4 жыл бұрын
Most would folks rate the Lapua the best brand of brass for the caliber, and actually the best for most calibers. However the batch of 50 Lapua 7.62x53R brass I had suffered a lot losses from of cracking after only limited use (3 or 4 loadings), but perhaps I got a bad batch. If I were in the market for brass for this caliber I think the PPU stuff is plenty good enough for much less money, and it it has proven in my use to be good durable stuff.
@IvanZehirov
@IvanZehirov 4 жыл бұрын
@@314299 Thanks a lot ! Very valuable information!
@OneofMyTurns
@OneofMyTurns 7 ай бұрын
I have to anneal mine after first initial sizing because I’m making 300BLK out of 5.56 brass.
@314299
@314299 7 ай бұрын
Yes, annealing is certainly recommended after a case forming operation like that.
@elvisjerrylee
@elvisjerrylee 3 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like you are only doing a 180 degree on the flame and case, not a complete 360 degree.
@314299
@314299 3 жыл бұрын
No, the cases are being rotated 360.
@anthonybutcher7739
@anthonybutcher7739 3 жыл бұрын
@@314299 I had the same Q to be honest - on that first case that you put in the flame, the spot/mark near the base of the case never faces the flame. Admittedly it's better than standing static in a pan of water, but not getting a true 360.
@charlesbullee7215
@charlesbullee7215 3 жыл бұрын
Would the water harden the brass maybe?
@314299
@314299 3 жыл бұрын
No, it does not. Hardening when quenched happens with iron/steel but not with brass.
@KRN762
@KRN762 4 жыл бұрын
Should you anneal before or after you convert a case to another caliber? For example, from .30-06 to 7.7mm japanese?
@314299
@314299 4 жыл бұрын
No, much better to do the annealing after the conversion as that's when the brass has been work hardened.
@brushwolf
@brushwolf 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not attempting to be a "smart a--" in asking this question, but aren't you re-hardening the brass when you quench with the water? Genuinely seeking info.
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
The properties of brass are quite different than the properties of steel/iron, so dipping the hot cases in water does not harden them at all. Hardening when quenched happens with iron/steel but not with brass.
@brushwolf
@brushwolf 2 жыл бұрын
@@314299 I'm a knife maker so thanks for clarifying. I wish I would have seen this earlier as I just annealed a batch of, probably 10x fired 7.5x54 and some slightly newer 8mm, getting done just before seeing this. I submerged them 3/4 and annealed to slightly below the shoulder. I will try your method next time. Thanks for the reply and info!
@bill65761
@bill65761 8 жыл бұрын
Question: Should I anneal before or after sizing / trimming.
@314299
@314299 8 жыл бұрын
+bill65761 I would do the annealing after sizing and trimming.
@bill65761
@bill65761 8 жыл бұрын
+314299 Shooting Channel Thank you ... I'm looking at 10 gallons of .223 cases and not wanting to make 10 gallons of scrap to go with the 1,800 rounds of unreliable reloads I've already made. The test rounds all functioned just fine ... but because I was given bad information from an experienced reloader, I had not length trimmed them and had not used a small base die when sizing them. When I caliper them, the used cases are as short as 1.734 (range pick up headstamped FC and the shortest of a random 20 cases of .223 measured). SAAMI calls for a max of 1.760 and I am seeing suggestions to trim to 1.750 or 1.745. If it's not too much to ask, could you tell me what length you trim to and why?
@johnv8355
@johnv8355 7 жыл бұрын
Hi bill65761, Try one of these doo-dads from Sinclair International: www.sinclairintl.com/reloading-equipment/measuring-tools/case-gauges-headspace-tools/sinclair-chamber-length-gage-prod32925.aspx It's a chamber length gage. Trim a case way down and then insert this little tool into the neck, then you carefully insert it and close the bolt, then carefully extract it and measure the total length, which will giver you the exact length of THAT RIFLE'S particular chamber. I have one in .308 and .223. Good luck, and happy reloading.
@over9000pontiacs
@over9000pontiacs Жыл бұрын
I dont think you have heated it enough for long enough to reduce the work hardening back to elasticity
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
The idea is not to reduce the brass to a soft state, the idea is to reduce the stress built up in the brass from sizing. Taking the brass to a soft state risks the shoulder collapsing when the brass is sized and also leads to very inconsistent neck tension on the loaded rounds.
@lyricalman20
@lyricalman20 7 жыл бұрын
Aren't you Harding it by quenching it???
@freemenownrifles8814
@freemenownrifles8814 6 жыл бұрын
BRASS DOES NOT HARDEN THE WAY A STEEL WOULD.....
@yareyare_dechi
@yareyare_dechi 3 жыл бұрын
nope. only ferrous metals (that is metals constraining iron, so steel etc) harden by quenching. copper and copper alloys (brass bronze etc) harden by repeated stress. try it with a piece of copper tube, bend it back and forth and it will get hard and snap
@justinvernal
@justinvernal Жыл бұрын
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@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@coreyg7575
@coreyg7575 6 жыл бұрын
$40 Canadian for Federal 150 grn .303 British, cases not annealed. $32 Canadian for PPU 150 grn .303 British, cases are annealed.
@314299
@314299 6 жыл бұрын
Federal brass is annealed, it's just that they polish the brass after it is annealed and that removes the color at the neck.
@coreyg7575
@coreyg7575 6 жыл бұрын
314299 Shooting Channel Good to know, do you find the federal brass is as good for reloading as the PPU brass? Or better/not as good?
@Toolness1
@Toolness1 6 жыл бұрын
IMO, PPU brass is good. It's the only game in town for many obscure military calibers, and I use a ton of it.
@joshoertle3779
@joshoertle3779 7 жыл бұрын
if you don't get it up to 660 to 665, you're not doing anything, just getting it hot.
@314299
@314299 7 жыл бұрын
Apparently I must be getting them hot enough as the brass I've processed using this method lasts and does not suffer from neck cracks. Overheating is worse than under-heating, as it turns case necks/shoulders dead soft to the point where they often collapse when seating bullets or crimping.
@42n3quarters
@42n3quarters 7 жыл бұрын
heating it up to any degree relieves stress, 660-665 is just the suggested "optimal" temperature. depending who you ask it's generally accepted at 400-500 for 10-15 seconds which works out to roughly a max of upper 600 or so depending on the heat source. the trick is localized heating in the tip.
@davidsolomon915
@davidsolomon915 4 жыл бұрын
Ok... i am a noob. So not correcting. But asking. I am a welder. And heating something. And then quenching it. Makes it hard... not soft???? Like a knife maker will heat blade cherry red and then quench it. To than make it ductile he puts it in oven. Heats up to 400-500 degrees. And then lets it cool slowly in the oven. So would this process not harden the brass????
@314299
@314299 4 жыл бұрын
As brass is not a ferrous alloy it does not behave the way iron/steel does, therefore it does not quench harden the way steel does, so cooling it in water does not harden it. So with these different properties one can heat brass to soften it and then cool it rapidly without loosing the softness. Hardness in brass is achieved by work hardening (drawing, forming) the object. It is not necessary to drop the brass in water if one does not want to, the process works just as well without it, my current method involves letting the brass just air cool. I do it this way now just to avoid the extra step of having to dry the brass off.
@JoefromSoCal
@JoefromSoCal 2 жыл бұрын
He's showing us how he anneals brass. He's not trying to be a youtube star.
@314299
@314299 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, that's the idea.
@toddcrisanti4348
@toddcrisanti4348 Жыл бұрын
Sorry, don’t hate me but as soon as you dip it in water you hardened your brass
@314299
@314299 Жыл бұрын
No, it does not. That would be the case with iron/steel alloys, but is not how brass behaves.
@johnduffin9425
@johnduffin9425 6 жыл бұрын
Not OSHA Approved! Im not getting my hand that close to that a of hot flame. If I did anything remotely close to that on the job I would be fired and banned.
@314299
@314299 6 жыл бұрын
No doubt KZbin will soon ban this video as it is related to reloading ammo....
@jaredmoss8170
@jaredmoss8170 3 жыл бұрын
OSHA has Perry the Platypus hanging from a light fixture in front of their climatizer using a power cord... It's probably covered under that safety exclusion, haha.
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