How I Created The Perfect Honeytrap For CS2 Morons

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[@Rvbeus]

BINGO! I had Thorin in the center square lol

[@grandmasteryoda503]

omg chitink!

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

Its wild when you actually think about it how everyone on Reddit is on the verge of being a pro player if not for the haxors...

[@muckymucks]

They also took an arrow to the knee.

[@tsoogii]

It has nothing to do with pro players. They don't play premier. Real issue is premier above 18-20k is absolutely hack fest unplayable and forces people to go to faceit with it's extremely invasive anticheat. I don't want to play on Saudi owned faceit and Premier is unplayable unless i tank my rank intentionally and play against noobs. And the only person i respect in esport journalism thinks its all made up. Lose lose situation really

[@user-fc8xw4fi5v]

​@@tsoogiithen play FACEIT n00b

[@1bird_d]

I was semi pro before quitting competitive esports and i know that cheaters literally run high elo above 20k in NA. Does that help? You straight up can't play a premier match in high elo without it being HvH or 5 queue into cheater duo queue on the other team (I WAS 28K ELO). It's not fun. I used to go on 45 game (literally) win streaks in Global MM with a 5 queue and almost never faced a cheater--it was rare. It seemed like trust factor was working. The system that they had in place in CS:GO is clearly just not enabled or is so strangely tweaked that it's bugged in CS2. You can call me "bad" or whatever you want but if you doubt me you are probably not in high elo yourself.

[@NaZtRdAmUs]

@@tsoogii which part is made up?

[@Wellnow123123]

As somebody approaching 30 that was very active on reddit hltv etc 10 years ago Yeah you hit it on the head. We left or just dont bother interacting anymore. It's the new generation of kids dominating the conversations now. They're insufferable

[@torstenknight201]

As a fellow 30 year old boomer can confirm

[@bigbelly8649]

I feel this on a spiritual level.

[@mihirx27]

I'm approaching 25 and I left too lol, Twitter Reddit are hella toxic.

[@fahadtahir9942]

Assuming it isn't literally one of your first matchmaking games, someone doing really well in a lobby doesn't even mean they're 'much better than you'. Most of the time it literally just means they're having a really hot game and will shit the bed in the next one.

[@dislexyc]

Lack of consistency is the bane of low Elo

[@Jus__Jus]

On that HLTV thread, my comment of: "Did you even read the article? What are your problems with it? I'm reading through it now, and a lot of it is reasonable." That had a lot more replies to it. A mix of people agreeing / disagreeing. OP responded and said something that was talked about in the article itself. Wonder where it went. I just checked and it's not there right now.

[@serris01]

The guy being talked about at 59:27 is Super Humman, he does wrestling stunts in his backyard and he's incredible. Go check him out, Richard

[@Totpoter]

That segment at 1:00:27 had me in tears, your videos are the most hilarious stuff on youtube, I hope you never stop lol

[@voxvictorum]

Literal LOL, "Do you think maybe you've got brain worms"

[@polymorphistYT]

"Patrick" is actually me

[@jamesmcd4261]

I've played maybe 100 games of premier ranging from 10k-18k on the Australian servers so far on CS2, 1 definite cheater spinbotting and vac banned, and in my estimate maybe 3 more but no proof. I've interacted with probably over 700 unique players, and less than a handful of cheaters is very good in my opinion, id be happy with that level of cheating in a game of any kind let alone a competitive fps. The way CS players cant handle when someone actually counter strafes them or has non silver game sense is insane, even the braindead player base of League doesn't think everyone who dodges an ability is scripting.

[@ernstjakob4394]

Seems being low skilled is a privilege nowadays. Above 20k its unplayable.

[@Samjie]

​@@ernstjakob4394which everyone says...

[@alexp3577]

@@ernstjakob4394 it’s not about skill, people in high ranks falsely call out cheating all the time too. Even in CS GO in GE MM there were always people accusing each other of cheating, even though right now everyone says there were no cheaters in CSGO. Every single 3k+ Faceit player in MM was called cheater by multiple regular globals. I am 21k right now, yes, there are cheaters, but it’s not every game like people keep saying, it’s 1 in 3 games with multiple cheaters and 2 in 3 games with no cheaters. So even 20k+ discussions are vastly exaggerated.

[@lambskidneys]

Also OCE in the 17-18k elo range, I’ve had a lot more than a handful of cheaters, even two random people in the same game talking about the cheats they are using and what is being detected and what isn’t. Out of say 15 obvious cheaters I have only seen two be banned. The clear spin bot aim hack doesn’t bother me nearly as much as the ones trying to hide their use of walls though.

[@palek555]

For me its about 100 games in the 3-13k and ive met like 10 cheaters in both my team and the enemy. All played in the span of around 4-5 last months. The cheating problem is exaggerated but thats around 7% of my games with cheaters(one or two games had 2 cheaters iirc), its still not good.

[@LeominsterFC]

Not sure why the focus is solely on premiere mode and at a certain ELO. There are countless cheaters in Competitive ie Unranked mode. I absolutely agree there are too many terrible players who cry cheater at the first outplay. At the same time, most cheaters are terrible players and therefore it’s pretty easy to sus out at any level. It’s definitely not beneficial to discussion to say everyone is cheating, but it’s equally not beneficial to say there are only cheaters at higher MMR in premiere.

[@malooft]

These videos bring me so much joy, thank you RL.

[@Mell01620]

21:40 I love the editing right there absolutely perfect 😂😂 this should be in future videos even if its flashing back to something you said 5+ years ago. Love your content keep up the hard work man truly.❤

[@Mell01620]

1:06:35 listen from this point forward and really take this free piece of advice from @RLewis cause its actually a very true quote.

[@jdewall]

Ah, yes that day when most of the people here realized, I am 30 and shit at the game...where does one get checked for brain worms?

[@pure942cure]

It's like I'm a Brighton fan watching so much Lewis Dunk

[@zilliq-qz5uw]

6:09 the adults didn't leave cs, they left reddit

[@KamKrzem]

While I like and appreciate RL for everything he's done and doing, this is something he genuinely doesn't understand, along with the fact that r/globaloffensive may not be representative of the CS community. Also unfortunately crazies are the loudest wherever you go, because they don't have that social filter, and judging the CS community by its crazies is just not worthwhile. I seriously had to take a break from all his content when all it was amounted to being angry over Reddit nobodies.

[@zilliq-qz5uw]

@@KamKrzem it's true but without them there is no content so I choose to ignore this fallacy. I'm rather sure he's well aware of it as well

[@HPeter-rv2ub]

how do you play AGAINST 6 hackers in the same game?

[@zakmcmillan2889]

Great coverage Richard, I really appreciate your work and effort. Take care man, we are lucky to still have you in the space.

[@cristoforcasto2400]

I freakin love these headlines! lol 🌴🔥

[@iliekturtles2709]

We should all start changing our profile pictures and names to match Richard's. Let's turn this craziness up to 11. No more Patrick, only Richard.

[@bayerinthewoods]

I came back to CS with the subtick update a few months ago, but at 17-18k elo/mmr the cheating issue was genuinely noticeable... compared to GO. I'm sure they did it because of queue times and being a new game but I don't know why they didn't transport the old Trusted Factor system over with oldhead higher level accounts. And maybe they did but it wasn't noticeable or as restrictive? In my games towards the last few years of CSGO I rarely ran into blatant cheating. Whatever they did with the trusted+prime combo really worked and I hope they bring that back. I think it's just that a lot of the 30 year old talent oldheads (in other words all the vocal KZbinrs/washed pros) had become accustomed to nearly zero cheating in matchmaking (at least in NA).

[@hagostaeldmann]

Im a casual CS player. I played Siege competitively at a T2 level, coached it professionally briefly and when i played PUBG i was top 20 in NA for about 2 years. By comparison to those two games, cheaters in CS at mid and low Mmr virtually do not exist.

[@Samjie]

this!

[@saiphani]

Thank you! As someone who has played games like Apex, PUBG, Warzone etc. the cheating problem in CS is quite mild. All of the games mentioned had much worse problems when they had big playerbases. Apex is still riddled with cheaters who are present in most lobbies, but especially in higher ones and has had actual pro players/streamers that blatantly cheat. Yet CS fans act like this game is the worst among everything in history.

[@KeenJT]

Lose game = other team cheating. Internet will never change

[@Creamouz]

any intelligent, well-worded comment: "Must be Richard Lewis alt!" Always a good laugh

[@slouch186]

I agree 100% with the claim that a fake "pvp" game that convinced players they were actually performing really well against other humans would do gangbusters. I do not believe that most people actually want to compete in games as much as they want to win at games and get little meta-progression rewards on a treadmill.

[@daveinthemicrowave]

9-10k and haven't seen a single blatant cheater in the last 50-60 games.

[@0freddif0]

Loved every second of this 😂

[@Rvbeus]

Self deception is most likely a universal problem for the terminally online. Its very easy to self sabotage with that mindset

[@jaredlacour5854]

Thank you Richard Lewis.

[@sebastiant.3588]

watching this while playing CS2 Deathmatch on a Valve server with 0 cheaters (I'm like a gold nova I never see them anyways) I like this game quite a lot :) Great vid as usual Rich. I also only play when I'm drunk or high, feels so good to play the game and have fun.

[@asg6740]

22:20 sent me 💀 keep up the good work Rich! Love from India

[@jw0017]

Rich as much as I love this content... I dunno how you can be arsed like

[@martuss1249]

3kliksphilip catching strays 💀

[@rage9715]

"Expertise is the bottle neck" Applies to so many fields.

[@shookya6976]

Richard that youtuber who jumps on glass is named ‘super humman’ if you were genuinely curious. I am embarrassed I knew exactly who it was when he explained it.

[@IINEXUSGAMERII]

It's funny af how everybody that claims you've said that there are no cheaters in the game usually refer to that one clip from like November last year while taking it completely out of context. They also conveniently edit out the part you mention that the AVERAGE player doesn't run into cheaters, then proceed to provide their anecdotal experiences playing in 20k+ to use as a "gotcha" moment without realising they're actually agreeing with you XD

[@FableNightmare7]

Good for you Richard, brings a smile to my face hearing you say you're successful as an independent. Hearing you making about 80K a year from your substack is amazing and also not enough!!!

[@FableNightmare7]

Also the KZbin channel is SuperHumman

[@handsometel367]

You are always in smoke but in the best possible way always got them sharp words, never comment on yt apart this guy absolute beast

[@discotheray2020]

59:30 The video is children of poseidon cactus bodyslam. It’s a laugh riot

[@TetchyyHD]

Banger after Banger after Banger

[@floodo1]

“A man that puts out incorrect information” 😂

[@Isaaclifts11]

Richard smoking more weed is so based holy shit, goat gaming journalist.

[@SunnyDispsition]

I have played one game in the last 6 months and it had a cheater in it. I have no idea what rating that would be at as I have only played one game in the last 6 months, so essentially it could be any rating. Thus I can extrapolate there are cheaters in 100% of games at all ratings.

[@shookya6976]

Ive seen like 3 cheaters in my probably 150-200 hours on CS2, which as a whole is a lot more than I saw in CSGO per hour in my 4000 hours. I really dont remember having any issue with it in CSGO (not that I see much of an issue with it now but my ranking is shit). Maybe it was trust factor or the fact that I almost only played Train for the last 500 hours of CSGO, i’ll never know.

[@DonClevv]

Ring it up, common Richard W

[@zeronura]

I'd say at least in India going above MGE+ you used to get cheaters 50:50 making it a nightmare to rank up. One of the last ever games I palyed in csgo ranked had 6 cheaters all ranked GE & going full spinbot 😞, now in CS2 I can't shoot properly so I just enjoy it casually with friends.

[@mikevismyelement]

I agree Rich. People from other games won't understand the depth of game knowledge that I think you need to accurately call cheats in CS. I think it's somewhere around 1500+ hours if not 2k hours before you really get a grasp on high level decision making, timings, and late round rotations on most maps Even then, you don't always make the best decisions but you can at least understand why other players made the smart plays without calling it wall hacks immediately

[@abe7035]

I need 2k hours to identify a spinbotter flying around the map with a scout 😢 /j

[@pRopaaNS]

It's not just about understanding high level of cs, but in a random MM players sometimes just do random stupid decisions that somehow pay off, or have a werid play style. I remember back in 1.6 days I falsely banned player in some public server because his plays didn't make sense, but later found out that he simply plays without headphones and thus have no directional sound.

[@RaymondFishSC2]

i fucking looove these videos. 🤣🤣🤣

[@egb4638]

I've been watching your videos for years and I dont understand how u can handle being on reddit like this? I removed the app like 2 years ago because I was noticing that my brain and own opinions were melting into the same as everyone elses there. Strong of you! Great video.

[@tooring626]

I have to say when I first started playing Premier a week or two ago, my placement matches were riddled with cheaters, I even had one on each team trying to outcheat the other both claiming they were only cheating because the other one was cheating. That being said, since playing on the ladder post placement matches I have only run into 1 wallhacker and even then he was terrible as an actual player so it wasn't that big of a problem.

[@KarasuTheClumsy]

Pretty sure they guy who jumps on broken glass they were talking about was Super Humman

[@finntate5874]

I believe the KZbin channel you are after of dude jumping through glass is Super Humman

[@trishula-8037]

are we reaching the point of a richard cinematic universe? according to these guys, there is nothing he can't/can do ! jesus christ 😂

[@jazz2]

My personal experience (around 300 premier games) from playing premier in NA is that north of 18k MMR is virtually unplayable, your getting a 50/50 chance of getting cheaters and even higher if playing in the morning before noon. Somedays are better then others but if I'm playing 5 games a day I'm at least getting one cheater. Richard is 100% correct when he says the average player is not running into that many cheaters. 15k MMR is the sweet spot and have seldom gotten cheaters in that range. The system is even set up right not so that cheaters always rise to the top so logically it even makes sense too. Most of this community doesn't know what they're talking about.

[@_pj7346]

Relatable. I really like the changes Valve has made to Premier, and aside from the cheating situation I currently prefer it to Faceit. But my usual playgroup is all between 18k-21k elo (we were SMFC/Global at the end of GO) and while I don't feel like we're 50% to have a cheater in our games, it is something like 1 in 4 (since the VAC wave). Doing the rough math, that means that you need to be good enough to win 2/3 of your cheater-free games just to tread water rating-wise. So when we bump up against opponents who aren't cheating, they only win about 1/3 of the time. We constantly get accused of cheating, and I wonder how much of the perception of smurfs/cheaters is caused by players like us.

[@_pj7346]

Also, and this is something I haven't heard anyone else even talk about, they for some reason disabled the ability to kick your random fifth if you are in a 4-stack. We had a game with an extremely blatant hacker, the kind where they shoot 10 scout shots in half a second after bhopping up mid on Mirage. And it wouldn't let us votekick him. The match didn't get cancelled (I haven't actually seen that happen yet) so we just basically sat AFK until it ended. It's frustrating to feel like Valve is taking away one of the only forms of control we had previously against cheaters in-match. I hope Overwatch comes out soon and cleans up at least some of the cheating.

[@caged3249]

​@_pj7346 they took that away because if you queued into playing with a 4-stack, you could get kicked at any time for any reason. Lots of bullshit would happen like winning a game but getting kicked right when the last round is unloseable so you actually lose elo or take a cooldown. I suppose that's a product of the system they've created, so there could possibly be better solutions. I don't think there's any automatic system that could fairly compensate/punish solos who get kicked based on game state, so disabling it is understandable imo

[@phwn]

​@@_pj7346 im at 21,000 and its about 50/50 too. I agree with RL with anything below 15k is really 1/10 games with a cheater at the worst. If i queue with my friends with older, higher trust steam accounts at 17-20k elo there really arent that many cheaters, but solo queueing into 20-27k is not great. Id give it 6 months max and we will see some improvements.

[@_pj7346]

@@caged3249 It seems like a clear solution would be to not change the elo outcome after being kicked. If the game was practically over, like in the situation you laid out earlier, then it wouldn't even matter at all. And in other cases of being kicked earlier, you would just almost always take a loss. Maybe there's some niche way that could be exploited still, but again, it should be weighed against the benefits of having that ability. Why do they allow votekicks at all if they're so concerned with this type of behavior?

[@lionheartz1337]

the worst part about the way people view cheating is that its so inherently harmful to a growth mentality. I want to grow and improve at CS, I know ill never be pro but I think I can reasonably make it into the 20k range with enough practice. (for reference I started CS2 at launch in 5k, climbed my highest to 19k and havent been able to get over that hump yet) During that short time I had to stop toxically thinking i was getting roasted by cheaters and focus on the mistake I was making. That refocus changed so much about my game that I feel like since CS2 came out im not even the same player. The Vaccells will never realize they are their own worst enemy and thats kinda sad.

[@potowogreedo]

I saw a lot of cheaters in DM in February and had quite a few sus games in 12-15k premier. lately I've only seen the odd absolutely trash player with soft aim + wh just about keeping up with the lobby (trash stats on Leetify besides 200ms TTD and crosshair placement). Mostly it's just that lots of people in prem only play it with friends of varying levels. I do that and I'm effectively smurfing against 10-11k players, and get accused of cheating pretty often. Same happens to me sometimes as well vs faceit-mains

[@TomEagle3]

The leetify data mirrors my experience in Australia. When I was 21.8k in prem, it really felt like 1/3 games had an Obvious cheater. Like spin bot, or insta kills you through walls every round. But on the grind there from 12k, it was closer to like 1/15. I make no comment on legit cheaters. There’s no point speculating on them.

[@waseemsabjee]

It's pretty crazy how many people are sure that other players cheat when they don't even bother gathering enough evidence from a replay where they could learn a few tricks to use in their future matches.

[@lagge1535]

Could we count the amount of people claiming they played above 20k? Because it seems like we hit nearly all of the non-cheaters in 20k in this thread. We can just pick them out and do a locked league for them

[@hilebard]

I played faceit for a while, and when I started up premier, I was 13k. I had few cheaters. Every now and then there'd be one, but when cheaters can't climb higher than 13-14-15k with wallhacks, they suck really really bad, so usually it's still possible to beat them. Then as I climbed to a higher rank, the cheaters gradually started getting more prominent. At 16-17-18k they went from maybe every five games to every 3 games. At 19k+ i started playing with and against a lot of 20k+, probably due to the fact I was gaining a lot of rank quite quickly so a good win rate was matching me with slightly higher ranks. At that point, it was maybe in average every other game. I'd be able to know for absolute certainty I had a cheater in my own team when spectating them, and whenever enemies were suspicious, I got less hope of them just being good, knowing how often I had cheaters in my own team. However, this is not something I found in lower ranks, like 17k and below. Cheaters were there, but they couldn't climb higher and so they sucked. Rarely there'd be an aimbotter or spinbotter, but most of the time the cheaters were beatable if they were even there in the first place. I'm with you rich, people be malding

[@bigbelly8649]

This is probably the more accurate take here.

[@bradleyfirby648]

In before the threads where every 20k elo player ever in the history of the universe is asking whether they can sue Richard for lying about the offer of free honey in this video

[@SturgisOnYT]

25:52 LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[@hoxfrey9093]

can we get rizz lessons from richard on the substack?

[@qowkerf]

People stating how it is "worse than it has ever been in CSGO" either suffer from goldfish brain or are just too young to have been there in 2014-2016 CSGO. This is EXACTLY what global matchmaking looked like in CSGO before they made the trust factor work and hit with multiple massive VAC waves. My personal hypothesis is that not having trust functioning off the bat in CS2, combined with fucky subtick shenanigans that make fast happening situations look wildly different for the parties involved, is what helped this community derangement form in the first place. We had the same thing in CSGO, where a shot that looked completely legit on your end might look like you're teleporting for the enemy being peeked, that is just how the netcode worked and there are technical limitations to how accurately you can portray a situation if one or both of the players involved run on fucking dial-up internet in the russian backcountry or are three timezones away from each other in america. Subtick just makes it look worse because it is a technology still in development, which leads to morons thinking they are being cheated against.

[@LeeFall]

It's always been an issue, even on the last days of GO when there was alot of hype for cs2, the place was riddled with suspects. Only way I can see a way to kinda fix it is make Prime $100 while still working on anticheat and community bans/overwatch. Buying accounts would be uneconomical only just to be banned next wave. Anyone with prime gets a free pass but if you cheat you are out... and maybe even hardware ID ban.

[@Spideybite]

Crazy that none of them know anything about cyber security

[@ObjectiveGamer]

You should do stand up😂

[@AdamLmao]

The one I love the most is when people complain about updates that aren't anti cheat. It's such a specialization that the people not working on it shouldn't be working on it.

[@vangod1]

My experience with CS2 has been essentially completely in line with what Richard says. I haven’t personally encountered a blatant cheater in 13k premier matchmaking, and only one blatant rage cheater in master guardian rank wingman.

[@samsmith7212]

The funny thing is about 5-6 years ago a few people in the cs community were talking about if valve added a rank after global that was harder to achieve would the main people that achieved the new rank mainly be cheating and valve could just ban them. It seems premier has done this I don't know if this is intended by Valve but its interesting. At the end of the day cheaters have way more time to create cheats then valve has to invest in developing software that detects these cheats. Good video love you're insight Lewis. Fuck the haters mate.

[@8roma8]

i understand that u can separate the competitive aspect from causal. For me both experience goes together. If i dislike the casual experience i will not watch tournaments. I do agree that if u dont trust valve, stop playing. In general if i feel that someone is cheating i abandon the game or report him.

[@Raxyz_0]

Can't help but think of meme about kid sabotaging his own bicycle whenever someone accuses a random comment of being an alt account. Seriously, that behavior is _rampant_ .

[@cheeze_tv]

richard lewis is right, you are wrong. strong meta for 2024. restecpa

[@DT-hk3jb]

speaking as someone who plays valorant regularly people certainly do cheat. i get a red screen once every 3 weeks or so. cheaters are going to cheat. good video Richard.

[@HahsJeje]

I wish people would just move on if something maddens them to this extent. There are other things out there to do. Much healthier

[@2tonNe]

I think maybe that guy did have brain worms😂

[@Maximilian1990]

Wouldn't trust a cs tryhard with a sheep drawn on a piece of paper let alone complicated tasks like analyzing patterns or objectively reacting to someone besting them

[@heavyflamerheresy2581]

What is a problem being silver?

[@heavyflamerheresy2581]

I would say that overwatch removal was not good. Maybe not cause of cheats but cause of griefers

[@teamflashtv]

What happened to that brief moment of post-major enlightenment? You're back to pumping out feature length content turbo-whinging in the most knob-like way possible, come on man.

[@cr1ticalRevenge]

Yeah the cheating problem is definitely overblown at the lower ranks, im still only at 19k but ive only seen about 6 cheaters in about 200 games.

[@Dullfin]

Vaccels at it again

[@th3rmtv]

Richard Lewis, I am saying this as a fan, please look back at your choice of aggressive and vitriolic language and think about how you are seeming to casual CS viewers who think there is no cheating problem and does not agree with the Redditors and HLTVers. You are spreading hate in the community as well, just of a different kind. Repeatedly calling people insufferably stupid, incels, vaccels, morons, idiots, etc is not a helpful way to view this situation. I still remember the positivity you were bringing in the Copenhagen major and think you can bring that respectfulness to the community, including the small sect of angry teenagers that have nothing better to do than complain no matter what.

[@th3rmtv]

In your article you get mad and call out a Reddit comment with 15 likes. If that is not terminally online then it is pretty damn close.

[@RLewisReports]

> Repeatedly calling people insufferably stupid, incels, vaccels, morons, idiots, etc is not a helpful way to view this situation I have no interest in being helpful. Hope that clears it up.

[@wr9601]

​​@@RLewisReportsSad when someone who could use their voice for good chooses the lowest route possible for rage-bait purposes. Then in your next article we'll hear about what an ethical "journalist" you are.

[@RLewisReports]

Imagine thinking it's in any way unethical to not help deranged people out of the sewer they made for themselves. I'll tackle real issues over entitled whining if that's alright with you.

[@teamflashtv]

​@@RLewisReports This whole video is you tackling "entitled whiners"? You go on like you're a war time correspondent or Hitchens in North Korea - get real. Calling out the Saudis or catching match fixers is good work, but a lot of your work is run of the mill punditry or whinging and none of it's in line with your ego at this stage.

[@Hax187]

The narratives in most gaming communities are mostly spun by the streamers and KZbinrs of those games. When you have people like Loba and other streamers constantly complaining that the game is broken and filled with cheaters, the community will echo that sentiment. I think this is the main part of the problem.

[@t.w.videos1739]

Im around 17k elo and since the update I have maybe had 3 actual provable cheaters its not a big issue anymore

[@azalea_k]

Same elo bracket, same experience. Pre-Valve-action it was most games, but things clearly changed afterwards. I've seen one or two recently but they're much more rare now.

[@ernstjakob4394]

Seems being low skilled is a privilege nowadays. Above 20k its unplayable.

[@t.w.videos1739]

@@ernstjakob4394 you are literally the definition of the guys Richard is talking about in the video

[@ernstjakob4394]

@@t.w.videos1739 I usually like Richards takes a lot and especially his journalistic work. But him being in the 10k elo range has no idea how the game works, has no idea how the situation is in 20k+. Obviously you guys are relatively fine down there, since cheaters be winning their games and end up in high elo. You cant actually use the "they are just salty cause bad" claim, cause there is no legit cheaters anymore like in CS:GO. They are all obviously spinbotting or close to that.

[@kutagen]

@@ernstjakob4394 half of this video is spent talking about you.

[@billsnyderhs4184]

First off i suck at counter strike. I consistently bounce between 5-10k. In my honest opinion people quitting or trolling or de-ranking is 5x worse than the cheaters at average and lower ranks. Again just my experience take it with a grain of salt.

[@Slothiz]

Except 20k being the threshold doesn't stop CS2 from ranking you up because there isn't enough space for you in the ranks below 20k. I'm sorry richard, but it's not 1/3 games, it's at least 1 in every game above 20k. I quit cs2 for now, I'm waiting until they deal with the massive amount of cheaters and then I'll be back. Hopefully it'll happen eventually. I also realize I'm in the top 0.5% of players and as such I'm more adversely affected.

[@M_CFV]

He knows that it mainly affects high ranks. He specifically said in the first 10 minutes that he is railing against all the redditors who think theyre actually affected by cheaters that often when theyre in pisslow

[@M_CFV]

He even specifically mentions 10k, like come the fuck on man

[@Slothiz]

@@M_CFVStill quit for now. It's more of a frustration for me to play, than its fun. And that's not what games are about.

[@simonzeeberg]

And here I was thinking that talking about how RL is an arsehole was the no.1 dating talk.

[@2pound625]

I played 100 games of CS2 and grinded from my placement (around 4k, then 9k when they rebalanced it) now I'm floating around 14.5k to 15.5k and only encountered one cheater in those 100 games. Will report back as I keep grinding, (I am dogshit it'll take me a bit) but the cheating problem is so overblown from my view, people are acting like they're better than they are and blaming every shit game they have on hacks

[@m27363]

Gotta love #morons in the tags.

[@allex288]

Tbf this is mostly emotional discussion. How would you even count cheaters

[@Samjie]

I'd pay to see CS player reactions to playing games that are currently infested far worse such as Siege or Tarkov.

[@Budor77]

Ive played 809,6hrs since december. I can not comment on how many cheaters there were in csgo but i see a blatant WH at least once a day, last match tonight we had to report 3 on a team all with the same name not even trying to hide it. Sometimes i call out a player, get called wrong by "experts" although im top fraggin most of my games, and low and behold the dude ragesmodes 3min later making everyone cry. The game is completely infested with obvious cheaters and i don't want to know how many "legit" cheaters there are. Trying to down talk the issue does not help anyone.

[@jabs196]

I'm 11k MMR on cs2, I play a game or two a day (depressing that adult life makes that the most I can make time for) and I don't believe I have encountered a cheater yet in the 4 months that I've been playing cs2, was a big csgo player and encountered 2 cheaters in about 1000 hours at DMG-LEM rank games

[@nightfire_CSGO]

Similar rank and situation, the only cheaters I have seen have been blatant spinners in wingman and the more casual modes. Legit zero in prem, but I have been called a cheater for scout kills and aces. Had a whole team report me for an ace on mirage, I’m not even good but people need their cope.

[@jabs196]

@@nightfire_CSGO copium is a hell of a drug in these competitive shooters for real

[@wojeitalmu5179]

The only reason I'm not high ranking like reddit is because reddit is a shadowy cabal of elite level gate keepers! *begins salivating*

[@ffll8427]

Hey Richard, there's a fair bit of walking back on statements that sounded much more polarizing when you first addressed the cheating discourse, as well as arguments that focus more on semantics and little details that were not explicitly mentioned earlier. In this video your stance is much more reasonable than it was - or at least sounded - before that reddit thread was posted. I think it's not a personal defeat to admit that. Cheers.

[@RLewisReports]

There is in fact no walking back of anything.

[@gustav3634]

20:53

[@j11889]

42:53 imagine this comment in the donald trump voice

[@sidneyjanicki1313]

Still unsure how people can pretend that CSGO wasn’t infested by cheaters at global elite - have to remind myself it’s because most people were hard capped at gold nova

[@ItShouldBeLyse]

Honestly with the Vanguard comments in every thread I think Riot maybe behind this that's what I would do if I was Riot spin bot in CS for free to get people over top crappy Valorant that got "no cheaters"

[@thesalmonorchestra651]

Corporate espionage is illegal though, nevermind the fact that running an operation of this size and calibre would be insane

[@F1stzz]

​@@thesalmonorchestra651 Riot Games is owned by Chinese, you know

[@kutagen]

@@thesalmonorchestra651 Oh it's illegal so it never happens, thanks for clearing that one up. Were there WMD's in Iraq as well? I'm not actually saying Riot is in fact guilty of corporate espionage but let's be honest, it's not below them.